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Credlin | 11 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening week for the show. Now forgive me, I've
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Speaker 2: got a bit of a shocking head cold at the moment,
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Speaker 2: but there's too much going on. Stay at home in bed.
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Speaker 2: He's what's coming up to night on Credline. A big
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Speaker 2: day for politicians and senior public servants. Their pay packets
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Speaker 2: have all gone off the Remuneration Tribunal signing off on
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Speaker 2: pay rises, including for the Prime Minister, taking his salary
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Speaker 2: up to a whopping six hundred and twenty two thousand,
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Speaker 2: plus two mansions, a Limahowa housekeeper, a wine cellar, and
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Speaker 2: on it goes. Day two of the Sydney hate preacher trial,
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Speaker 2: and this time it was with some haards turned to
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Speaker 2: take the stand. So was he has outspoken in the
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Speaker 2: court as he has been in the mosque. Carolyn Marcus
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Speaker 2: with an update shortly plus the chaos s in Los
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Speaker 2: Angeles now spreading with protests breaking out in other capital cities.
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Speaker 2: Plenty of apologists for the blatant violence we've seen, but
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Speaker 2: there's always it's wine at rule for the left and
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Speaker 2: one for everyone else. And in another sign that our
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Speaker 2: relatelationship with Israel's become openly hostile under labor too. Israeli
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Speaker 2: government ministers have been sanctioned.
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Speaker 3: You have ignored the international community and we do not
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Speaker 3: tolerate it.
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Speaker 4: If the people leading the discussions trying to get peace
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Speaker 4: the US are saying this is likely to be unhelpful.
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Speaker 4: Why has the Australian government done this?
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Speaker 2: But first, a dramatic revelation late the Salteroern as the
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Speaker 2: clock ticks down on the looming bankruptcy of former Victorian
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Speaker 2: Liberal leader John Perzuto. Now, for some time I have
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Speaker 2: been aware of attempts by more Redeeming to try yet
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Speaker 2: again to save John Perzuto from himself and spare the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party from spending millions and millions of dollars to
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Speaker 2: bail him out of a colossal mess of his own making. Now,
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Speaker 2: for reasons I'm sure you will understand, I've not been
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Speaker 2: able to publicly discuss any of this because I was
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Speaker 2: in Deeming's confidence as she gave it all one last
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Speaker 2: throw of the dice. Take that obligation seriously. But I
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Speaker 2: am now at a liberty to discuss what I know
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Speaker 2: publicly with you. After Deeming's generous offer to John Perzuto
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Speaker 2: was rejected by him this morning and after she then
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Speaker 2: wrote to the Liberal Party's powerful administrative committee to update them,
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Speaker 2: and that letter she wrote has found its way into
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Speaker 2: the media has now reported on The Australian's website this
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Speaker 2: afternoon by Damon Johnson. And here is what Deeming magnanimously
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Speaker 2: offered the man who defamed her, who bullied her and
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Speaker 2: expelled her from the Liberal Party route. It's a letter
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Speaker 2: addressed to the current opposition leader Brad Batton, to John
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Speaker 2: Perzuto and the Liberal Party's Victorian President, Phil Davis. Dear
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Speaker 2: mister Batton, mister Persuto, mister Davis reads, she says, I
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Speaker 2: write to you as a Liberal and I make this
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Speaker 2: offer someone who deeply respects the rights of the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party members, to a party that is focused on winning
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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six state election and securing a better
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Speaker 2: future for all Victorians. I am dismayed by reports that
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party Victorian division is considering an approach from
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Speaker 2: mister John Perzuto to meet his financial obligations in relation
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Speaker 2: to a costs order made against him by the Federal
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Speaker 2: Court after an earlier judgment that he famed me. I
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Speaker 2: do not understand, wrote more Redeeming, why mister Perzuto did
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Speaker 2: not accept my pre trial offer to settle the case
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Speaker 2: for ninety nine thousand dollars when it was apparent he
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Speaker 2: had no ability to pay in the event he lost
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Speaker 2: the case. It is because of the extraordinary sport that
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Speaker 2: I have received from rank and file members that I
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Speaker 2: make this offer with the intention that the funds they
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Speaker 2: have raised to fight the Labor Party remain solely directed
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Speaker 2: to that important objective. I also want to respect the donors,
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Speaker 2: she says, who have supported our cause in their hope
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Speaker 2: that good government can once again return to the state
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Speaker 2: we love. So here is the offer from Redeeming, she wrote.
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Speaker 2: In order for my willingness not to calling the bankruptcy
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Speaker 2: notice served on mister Perzuto, the following five demands must
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Speaker 2: be met in full before the time for the notice
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Speaker 2: falls due on the twenty seventh of Dute. The first,
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Speaker 2: that mister Perzuto pays all available funds he has, and
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Speaker 2: that's reported in the media to be somewhere around seven
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars, That he pay those immediately,
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Speaker 2: and that the remainder of his debt is deferred for
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Speaker 2: payment until the thirtieth of March twenty twenty seven to
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Speaker 2: give him, she says, sufficient time to secure the necessary
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Speaker 2: funds and avoid bankruptcy. Number Two, she says that the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party, through mister Batton, provide me and my family
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Speaker 2: an unreserved apology for the way I have been treated,
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Speaker 2: for the imputations against my good name and reputation, and
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Speaker 2: reject all the false allegations into famatory slurs directed towards me.
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Speaker 2: Three that my pre selection is endorsed by a special resolution,
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Speaker 2: however described in constitutional terms, so that I enjoy the
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Speaker 2: right to serve my community without any internal distractions, which
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Speaker 2: is something denied to me to date. Four That the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party appoint an independent person from outside Victoria, such
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Speaker 2: as a former judge, to conduct a wholesale review into
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Speaker 2: existing internal dispute resolution mechanisms with specific recommendations for reform,
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Speaker 2: and that the Party accept those recommendations to create a
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Speaker 2: new robust body to deal with cases like this in
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Speaker 2: the future, so that no other Liberal is forced to
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Speaker 2: suffer as I have, or to take action in the
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Speaker 2: courts to remedy a wrong such as this. And five
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Speaker 2: that all parties draw a line under the events of
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Speaker 2: the past two years, and ensure our focus is on
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Speaker 2: the constituents we serve, the party we love, and the
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Speaker 2: people of Victoria. So there you have it. Two years
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Speaker 2: was willing to give John Perzuto to pay what he
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Speaker 2: owes her, enabling him to avoid bankruptcy, enabling him to
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Speaker 2: keep his seat in the Parliament. Of course, that she's
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Speaker 2: also allowed in that deal to keep hers, that party
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Speaker 2: members are not forced to spend one dollar bailing out
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Speaker 2: a bloke with judgment as appalling as his, that she
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Speaker 2: gets the simple apology that she surely owed, and that
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Speaker 2: this never happens to another Liberal again. This offer, wrote
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Speaker 2: more redeeming, is not up for negotiation, said Deeming. I
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Speaker 2: have suffered through a grueling two and a half years
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Speaker 2: where almost every offer I have made to negotiate a
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Speaker 2: settlement was rejected. This is my final attempt, wrote more redeeming,
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Speaker 2: to spare the Liberal Party further harm and to afford
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Speaker 2: mister Pizzuto and his family the dignity that was denied me,
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Speaker 2: my husband and my children, while for all of that
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Speaker 2: magnanimu grace. That offer was rejected, with John Perzuto seeking
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Speaker 2: an extra twenty four hours to Lodge a counter offer,
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Speaker 2: and he did after accepting all of the conditions that
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Speaker 2: would be met by the party, including deemings, pre selection
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Speaker 2: and an apology. Perzuto still refused to pay the two
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Speaker 2: point four million dollars that the federal court has ordered
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Speaker 2: him to pay. Instead, he offered just half of that,
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Speaker 2: a mere one at point two million dollars, so more
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Speaker 2: a deeming would have to wear a million dollar loss.
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Speaker 2: Now understandably, his counteroffer was rejected, and with that this morning,
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Speaker 2: John Perzuto walked away from the negotiating table. Liberals I
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Speaker 2: have been in contact with this afternoon cannot fathom any
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Speaker 2: of this. Even people who once supported him are shaking
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Speaker 2: their heads. Some have even called him a politic called terrorist.
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Speaker 2: Now clearly he's now pinning all of his hopes on
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party bailing him out with a loan at
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Speaker 2: a administrative committee meeting that's now been shifted to next Thursday.
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Speaker 2: I am told John Perzuto wants fifteen plus years to
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Speaker 2: pay back this debt, which, to be honest, means he
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Speaker 2: will never pay it back. Right now, Calls and emails
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Speaker 2: from party branches across the state of flooding into head
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Speaker 2: office letters like this one that I have received from
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Speaker 2: the Soldier's Hill branch of the Liberal Party in Ballarat,
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Speaker 2: and almost all of them like this letter violently objecting
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Speaker 2: to any party funds, either cash in the bank or
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Speaker 2: money that's been set aside in a trust from the
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Speaker 2: sale of the old party headquarters, be used to bail
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Speaker 2: him out. Now where this will end up who knows,
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Speaker 2: but I will give you credit here a to current
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Speaker 2: Liberal leader Brad Batten, who I know has personally worked
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Speaker 2: a day and night to get his predecessor to accept
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Speaker 2: this offer, and he has met and spoken with Perzuto
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Speaker 2: of the past four days multiple times. Unfortunately, John Persuto
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Speaker 2: is as peak headed as he is reckless. Now all
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Speaker 2: I can say is that, yet again my Redeeming has
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Speaker 2: displayed the integrity that is lacking in so many others.
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Speaker 2: So bankruptcy by the twenty seventh of June and the
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Speaker 2: by election watch this space. Come fathom stupidity. I suspect
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Speaker 2: you can't either. Let's go to camin Out the headline
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Speaker 2: Sky and his political reporter cam Reddin.
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Speaker 5: Good Evening Australia has sanctioned two top Israeli ministers for
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Speaker 5: inciting violence against Palestinians.
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Speaker 3: Whilst they are not the only members of the Israeli
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Speaker 3: government whose actions have been problematic, they are certainly the
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Speaker 3: most extreme.
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Speaker 4: It is outrageous elected representatives and members of the government
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Speaker 4: and are subjected this kind of measures.
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Speaker 5: The measures have been imposed in unison with Britain, Canada,
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Speaker 5: Norway and New Zealand, but have drawn condemnation from US
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Speaker 5: Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who says they don't advance
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Speaker 5: efforts for a ceasefire and to end the war.
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Speaker 6: Australia makes your own decisions based upon the assessments that
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Speaker 6: we make.
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Speaker 5: The coalition says it wants a seat at the government's
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Speaker 5: productivity roundtable, to be held in August. Three years ago,
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Speaker 5: former leader Peter Dutton snubbed an invitation to Labour's Jobs
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Speaker 5: and Skills Summit. At this time it's up to the
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Speaker 5: government if they invite us, we will attend. Tasmania's government
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Speaker 5: remains in limbo, awaiting a decision on whether it will
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Speaker 5: be sent to a snap election. Dean Winter needs to
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Speaker 5: come out today and explain to the Tasmanian people why
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Speaker 5: he blew up the parliament. No matter how much you
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Speaker 5: love that old sheep dog.
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Speaker 7: If he can't round up the sheep anymore, it's time
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Speaker 7: to get a new one.
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Speaker 5: Cameron Reddin's go nine years Canberra?
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Speaker 2: All right, Jotyman, how to get across some of the
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Speaker 2: other big stories. National Affairs editor at Daddy Telegraph, James
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Speaker 2: Morrow Skyny his host here as you know, and seen
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Speaker 2: your fellow at the Menzies research Senate Nkata Nick just
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Speaker 2: on the Perzuna Deeming matter. The Australian is reporting from
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Speaker 2: the Perzuto camp that he describes Deemon's proposal as not
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Speaker 2: a real deal and question her decision to tie her
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Speaker 2: guaranteed preselection to the offer. Now I'm telling you I'm
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Speaker 2: privy to the offer. It was a real deal. It
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Speaker 2: was so real that he asked for it to be extended.
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Speaker 2: He wanted to stay at the table. He just wanted
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Speaker 2: to pay half the money. What do you make of
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Speaker 2: as rejection of this today and his plea instead that
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party bail him out.
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Speaker 1: He's in no position to be bargaining right now, Peter.
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Speaker 1: I think he should take this deal. It sounds like
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Speaker 1: a very good way out out of his short term dilemma,
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Speaker 1: and of course he should pay what the courts said
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Speaker 1: he should pay in full. That's a court judge. Nobody
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Speaker 1: should be second guessing the courts. But look, I tell
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Speaker 1: you what, Peter, I've been talking to a number of
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Speaker 1: significant Liberals Party donors sorry, in recent days. They are
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Speaker 1: fuming already about the way the federal campaign was conducted
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Speaker 1: and the fact that they saw that their money was wasted.
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Speaker 1: If they go If the Liberal Party in Victoria goes
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Speaker 1: ahead and uses money which will of course have come
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Speaker 1: from donors, they don't have any other source of money.
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Speaker 1: If they use that money to settle this bill, there
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Speaker 1: will be a red hot civil war and the Liberal
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Speaker 1: Party will be one step closer to not being able
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Speaker 1: to fund anything, let alone an election campaign.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just saw our strap there. It says Moira's
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Speaker 2: ultimation to John Bozuro. It's not an ultimatum from her.
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Speaker 2: I mean, she's trying to give the party away out.
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Speaker 2: She's trying to give him dignity for two years to
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Speaker 2: pay what he owes. And bo he's an officer of
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Speaker 2: the court, as a solicitor, that's the legal term. He
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Speaker 2: knows absolutely he's got a duty to pay what a
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Speaker 2: court order has said he must pay. So look, I
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Speaker 2: find this extraordinary and I am just sad as a Victorian,
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Speaker 2: Like so many people watching this program tonight, we are
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Speaker 2: desperate for a change of government. Highest debt in the land,
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Speaker 2: no way to pay it back, terrible issues with infrastructure,
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Speaker 2: and I mean, don't get me started on how corrupt.
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Speaker 2: I'll use that word because that's been the subject of
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Speaker 2: IBACK rulings in this state. Institutions in this state are
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Speaker 2: we need a change of government, and this mob can't
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Speaker 2: stop squabbling amongst themselves. And I'll leave it there. I
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Speaker 2: could spend the whole night talking about how bad things
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Speaker 2: are in this state. Let's go federally. Let's look at
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Speaker 2: the fact that if you're a politician, you've just got
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Speaker 2: a healthy pay rise today two point four percent for
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Speaker 2: every MP, department secretaries, public servants. The Prime Minister, well,
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Speaker 2: he'll go up to six hundred and twenty two thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars and made the point he's got a mansion, limo staff, housekeepers,
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Speaker 2: a wine cellar offered goes there, sus unless she's not
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Speaker 2: doing badly either. Four hundred and forty two thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: I know the remuneration tribunal is independent Nick. But you know,
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Speaker 2: woul people at home be saying this is deserved.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what. I wouldn't take Susan Lee's
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Speaker 1: job for four hundred thousand. But that's beside the point.
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Speaker 1: Of course, this is completely out of step with community standards.
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Speaker 1: These people are doing a performing public service that should
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Speaker 1: be looked upon like that. I wish there was some way,
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Speaker 1: Peter for putting some performance bonus in, you know, so
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Speaker 1: haw having the salary and saying you'll get the rest
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Speaker 1: of it, you know, if you can pay down the debt,
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Speaker 1: or you'll get the rest of it if you can
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Speaker 1: cut taxes. It would be nice to have a system
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Speaker 1: like that. But right now, you know, politicians of course,
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Speaker 1: will just take that. The smart thing to do, I
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Speaker 1: think for any politician would be to defer thist payment
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Speaker 1: or put it to charity or something while everybody else
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Speaker 1: is doing it tough. But of course I don't see
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Speaker 1: that ever happening on either side of parliament.
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Speaker 2: Just I love that idea of having a performance bonus.
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Speaker 2: That would be very very good for the poor old taxpayer.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Los Angeles. Of course, we've got the
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Speaker 2: reaction to the shooting of the Channel nine reporters still
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Speaker 2: playing out today. This was, of course, with a rubber bullet.
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Speaker 2: We learned today that diplomats in Washington have now lodged
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Speaker 2: an official complaint with US officials out. Fair enough, she's
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Speaker 2: an Australian citizen. But I can't get over the hypocrisy
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Speaker 2: for the Prime Minister with these comments at the Press
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Speaker 2: Club yesterday.
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Speaker 6: That footage was horrific. It is not unreasonable to think
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Speaker 6: that she would not have been targeted with a rubber bullet.
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Speaker 2: Fair enough, James, as I say, fair enough, but where
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Speaker 2: were all these federal politicians in Victoria was under siege
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Speaker 2: and Daniel Andrews putting police on the street and the
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Speaker 2: police in Victoria using rubber bullets firing at citizens.
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Speaker 8: Well yeah, I mean it is a bit much here,
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Speaker 8: isn't it for the Prime Minister to protest like this?
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Speaker 8: Frankly nobody, Very few people come out of those COVID
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Speaker 8: protests with clean hands when it comes to this sort
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Speaker 8: of thing. We had people New South Wales also cheering on,
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Speaker 8: and there was a liberal government here at that time.
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Speaker 8: You know the police actions against COVID anti lockdown protesters
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Speaker 8: here in New South Wales as well. You know, and
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Speaker 8: people who watch Outsiders know that we have a tape
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Speaker 8: of Victorian cops doing all sorts of outrageous things, I
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Speaker 8: mean really outrageous things to citizens who are protesting or
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Speaker 8: just simply you know, not wearing their mask in the
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Speaker 8: right place. And everybody cheered at all and said raw, raw,
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Speaker 8: how good is this? So yeah, okay, like sure, you
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Speaker 8: know it was unpleasant for our reporter friend to cop
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Speaker 8: a rub bullet in the leg, and you know, if
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Speaker 8: the cop targeted her deliberately, he should be disciplined. Obviously.
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Speaker 8: This is not, though PETA an international incident. And again everybody,
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Speaker 8: as you suggest, really should look at what they were
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Speaker 8: saying about cops and rubber bullets and protests like three
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Speaker 8: years ago.
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Speaker 2: Let's go if I can nick to the PM's announce
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Speaker 2: when yes, today that he'll have yet another live around table,
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Speaker 2: another talk face to come up with an idea because
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Speaker 2: he hasn't got a plan of his own. It's got
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Speaker 2: a pretty lukewarm response from business leaders today haven't listened.
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Speaker 5: At least the Prime Minister has recognized and the government
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Speaker 5: have recognized they have to do that.
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Speaker 9: That's positive. So we have to recognize as a problem.
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Speaker 10: The disappointing thing was we had the union movement come
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Speaker 10: out last night and basically say, well, there's nothing to
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Speaker 10: see here.
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Speaker 4: We do want to see a longer term, more ambitious agenda,
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Speaker 4: but I think let's take the first step.
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Speaker 2: They're really pushing hard already, Nick on ir And of
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Speaker 2: course we know if the unions donate to labor election campaigns,
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Speaker 2: when labours return to government, they expect that donation to
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Speaker 2: be paid back in kind.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't think you actually need a round
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Speaker 1: table to decide why productivity is falling and what we
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Speaker 1: do to fix it, because these things are simple, right.
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Speaker 1: You remove regulation so that employers can be more innovative
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Speaker 1: and more agile. You certainly don't use, you know, locking
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Speaker 1: in deals with unions because they are inherently unproductive. And
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Speaker 1: to be honest, you wouldn't be raising the minimum wage
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Speaker 1: way above inflation either, because in the end, wages have
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Speaker 1: to match productivity. If they don't, you get inflation and
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Speaker 1: you get everything gets out of kilt. You end up
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Speaker 1: with fewer jobs. So I think we'd like to see
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Speaker 1: them walk the walk on this. It's all very well
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Speaker 1: using this magic word productivity. I'm not entirely. Sure the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister actually understands what it means.
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Speaker 2: By the way, I think he thinks productivity is getting
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Speaker 2: on a plane, right, getting on a plane and being
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Speaker 2: seen to be doing something without any extral outcome, and
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Speaker 2: of course, well very carefully when he meets as he
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Speaker 2: hopes to do, not confirmed in the sidelines of the
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Speaker 2: G seven, when he meets to US President Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: to see if he can get some outcomes for his productivity. Interestingly,
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Speaker 2: there was an interview today Jack Schron he's the president Jurgens,
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Speaker 2: a US based manufacturing company in the US. He says
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Speaker 2: that they are on the verge of a quantum leap
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Speaker 2: in manufacturing. Have a listen.
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Speaker 11: It's some of the low cost competitors who've been putting
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Speaker 11: product in the United States. Now we are proceed competitively
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Speaker 11: with them because their price has to be picked up
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Speaker 11: by the terroriffs coming into the United States. As a result,
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Speaker 11: we've seen an increase in our business both here in
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Speaker 11: Cleveland and Chicago. Chicago along we've put on over twenty
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Speaker 11: five new employees.
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Speaker 2: Now all of us impacted by these tariffs. Sure we're
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Speaker 2: cranky outside of the United States, but there's an example
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Speaker 2: of a US based business, James, who's saying that the
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Speaker 2: tariffs are enabling US as a nation to reindustrialize, that
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Speaker 2: they're leveling the playing field, it's bringing back jobs in
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Speaker 2: manufacturing to the US economy. And this was precisely what
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Speaker 2: the president was elected to do. As much as we
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Speaker 2: mightn't like it.
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Speaker 8: Well, exactly, Peter, and I mean everybody complains about Donald
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Speaker 8: Trump doing tariffs, deporting illegal aliens and all that sort
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Speaker 8: of stuff. He went out and said exactly what he
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Speaker 8: was going to do at rally after rally after rally,
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Speaker 8: you know, unlike say Anthony Albneasy, who said, oh well,
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Speaker 8: oh no, we're we're going to have a reforman genda.
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Speaker 8: Oh no, now we will have a reforman genda. Who knows,
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Speaker 8: you know, it's all entirely transparent. I think that's why
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Speaker 8: the political class hates Donald Trump so much, is that
20:15
Speaker 8: he is, in fact transparent. He tells you what he's
20:18
Speaker 8: going to do, and then he goes out and he
20:19
Speaker 8: tries to do it the best he can in the
20:21
Speaker 8: face of huge opposition. Now, in reference to the tariffs,
20:24
Speaker 8: there obviously the whole thing, and Trump has never been
20:28
Speaker 8: shy about this He has been talking about this issue
20:30
Speaker 8: for decades. He was talking about this issue in the
20:32
Speaker 8: eighties and nineties when Japan was the issue, and then
20:35
Speaker 8: about China when China was the issue. This is Trump's
20:39
Speaker 8: belief that America cannot be a superpower if it cannot
20:42
Speaker 8: make things. He's right. I mean, this is not a
20:45
Speaker 8: hard thing for people to grasp. And you know, that's
20:48
Speaker 8: just one anecdotal story you played there, Peter. But I
20:50
Speaker 8: think we're going to start to see this, you know,
20:52
Speaker 8: across the economy. And we've already started to see that
20:55
Speaker 8: most of the doomsaye predictions about inflation and so on
20:58
Speaker 8: in the United States, well they simply have had come
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Speaker 8: to pass.
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Speaker 2: I got to say, Nick Ktor, it's got echoes in
21:05
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five and the dismissal and all the backwards
21:09
Speaker 2: and forwards going on at Government House with the governor
21:12
Speaker 2: and the then Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition,
21:16
Speaker 2: You've got issues. In Tasmania. The premier there, you know,
21:20
Speaker 2: vote of no confidence in the house goes to the
21:22
Speaker 2: governor says I want you to spill the parliament and
21:26
Speaker 2: take us to an election. Well the governor said no,
21:29
Speaker 2: I want to think about this, ort to consider all
21:31
Speaker 2: the options. So he's gone away the States in limbo.
21:34
Speaker 2: In power terms, he's come out swinging at the opposition.
21:37
Speaker 2: But I see what the real target here is the AFL.
21:40
Speaker 2: They are demanding a stadium is built with a roof.
21:44
Speaker 2: That's where the fights come out over the amount being spent.
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Speaker 2: And Rockcliffe, he's the current premier, obviously could get rolled
21:50
Speaker 2: by his own party. It's a real mess.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, of course, the difference with the dismissal
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Speaker 1: is that dismissal was over something fairly more serious than
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Speaker 1: a football code and establishing a football team in the stadium.
22:05
Speaker 1: It's incredibly it comes down to this. Look, Peter, I'm
22:09
Speaker 1: not a constitutional lawyer, but I would have thought this
22:11
Speaker 1: is pretty straightforward. Can Rockcliffe? Does Rockcliffe command the House
22:17
Speaker 1: or not? I mean, is he able to pass legislation
22:20
Speaker 1: or not? That's a simple test. It's a small parliament.
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Speaker 1: I've sat in the gallery and watched them play, so
22:26
Speaker 1: it seems to we have fairly straightforward decision. And if
22:29
Speaker 1: the Premier comes to the Governor and says he no
22:32
Speaker 1: longer has the confidence of the House because he's had
22:34
Speaker 1: a no confidence motion, pretty straightforward decision for the governor,
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Speaker 1: I would have thought, but perhaps there's something I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think you've upset a lot of AFL people
22:44
Speaker 2: saying it's a trifling matter of a football stadium inyor
22:47
Speaker 2: of state that's desperate for a team. But we'll see
22:50
Speaker 2: what the test Vanians have got to tell me on
22:52
Speaker 2: the email tonight. Thank you, Jens. Let's go to the
22:54
Speaker 2: court case now against notorious Sidney hate preacher Wis some
22:57
Speaker 2: hatded Had that's been sued by the sective Council of
23:00
Speaker 2: a Strange Jewelry a series of sermons in which he
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Speaker 2: described Jews as vile and treacherous. Well, he took the
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Speaker 2: stand today, Senior reporter Carolla Marcus, has it been at
23:09
Speaker 2: the federal court and she joins me, Now, Caroline, I
23:12
Speaker 2: tell you what a huge day he took the stan
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Speaker 2: Had it all play out?
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Speaker 7: Well?
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Speaker 12: He faced very tough cross examination, Peter. He was asked
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Speaker 12: about these very contentious, inflammatory sermons that he gave back
23:29
Speaker 12: in November twenty twenty three that are at the heart
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Speaker 12: of this case. And what his defense seems to be
23:36
Speaker 12: is that when he referred to Jews as violent, treacherous,
23:40
Speaker 12: as you point out as the descendants of pigs and monkeys,
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Speaker 12: as shifty people, and various other derogatory statements. He wasn't
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Speaker 12: talking about all Jews, he says, he was talking about
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Speaker 12: Jews of faith or Jews that are in the Israeli government.
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Speaker 12: He made both references today, and he was challenged on
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Speaker 12: that evidence at repeated points. It was pointed out to
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Speaker 12: him that in those speeches he never made that distinction.
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Speaker 5: He just used the words Jews.
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Speaker 12: He said, I never set out to insult Jews. No,
24:16
Speaker 12: and that the people he was speaking to, the Muslims
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Speaker 12: at his Southwest Sydney center, the Al Medina Dhawa Center,
24:24
Speaker 12: which we've learned has since closed since those speeches have made,
24:29
Speaker 12: they would have understood what he meant. He said now
24:33
Speaker 12: in some of the other evidence he gave in court today,
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Speaker 12: he claimed that he was just quoting from Islamic scripture
24:41
Speaker 12: when he made the comments he did about Jews, and
24:46
Speaker 12: it was put to him that it's not the first
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Speaker 12: time that he's made controversial comments about a religious or
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Speaker 12: ethnic community in the past. It was brought up he's
24:58
Speaker 12: also insulted Christians. In twenty twenty two, he gave a
25:03
Speaker 12: sermon saying that wishing someone merry Christmas was worse than
25:08
Speaker 12: congratulating someone for murder. And then the following year he
25:14
Speaker 12: gave another sermon where he described Hindus as a worshipers
25:20
Speaker 12: of cows and monkeys. When that got picked up and
25:24
Speaker 12: reported and caused some offense to the community, he made
25:28
Speaker 12: a video mocking that the offense that they took take
25:33
Speaker 12: a look.
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Speaker 2: They don't want in a community who is offended.
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Speaker 5: I'm saying this again, I don't want to have any
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Speaker 5: beef smile.
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Speaker 12: So part of his defense Peter is that mister Hadad
25:53
Speaker 12: is arguing that he gave these speeches reasonably and in
25:57
Speaker 12: good faith.
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Speaker 5: Well, these previous comments he.
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Speaker 12: Made were brought up to point out the fact that,
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Speaker 12: according to the Jewish group, that he is not a
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Speaker 12: man who acts reasonably and in good faith. There, Barrister
26:12
Speaker 12: said that he's not a man in our submission who
26:15
Speaker 12: engages in serious discussions. He's a person who engages in mocking,
26:19
Speaker 12: flippant comments of other communities, mocking Christmas, mocking people's dietary habits.
26:24
Speaker 12: In fact, it was put to mister Hadad that he
26:27
Speaker 12: made these racist comments about Jews because he wanted to
26:33
Speaker 12: become a bit of an online celebrity. You wanted to
26:35
Speaker 12: be an online personality and influencer, didn't you know? Weren't
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Speaker 12: you trying to relive the glory days of the controversies
26:43
Speaker 12: about Christians and Hindus. No, he didn't answer questions when
26:48
Speaker 12: I caught up with him outside court either, mister Hadad,
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Speaker 12: is there a difference between Jews of faith and ethnic Jews?
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Speaker 8: We have no comment, Thank you very much.
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Speaker 12: Do you think your evidence went well today on the stand?
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Speaker 11: Thank you.
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Speaker 8: We can't stay any at this stage.
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Speaker 12: Do you want to be an online celebrity?
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Speaker 2: That was a very comprehensive wrap. Thank you, Caroline. Look
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Speaker 2: after the break, is there a relationship with Israel now
27:15
Speaker 2: irreparable to senior government ministers have been sanctioned by the
27:19
Speaker 2: Alberenezy government. Plus the chaos is now engulfed, la has
27:23
Speaker 2: spread and I thought it on just how bad things
27:25
Speaker 2: called get in a moment. Welcome back coming up. You
27:32
Speaker 2: will not believe one of the woke signs at a
27:34
Speaker 2: hospital that's got a whole lot of patients in paramedics
27:38
Speaker 2: very confused, dangerously confused. But first let's bring the foreign
27:41
Speaker 2: editor at Australian Greg Sheridan, Look at what's happening overseas.
27:44
Speaker 2: There's a bit going on. Greg, welcome to the program.
27:47
Speaker 2: Let's start with a sanctions announced today by Penny Wong,
27:51
Speaker 2: imposed on two Israeli government ministers. The minister says there
27:55
Speaker 2: remains a great deal of alignment between the US and Australia,
27:58
Speaker 2: despite the Trump administration condemning the Australian government's decision here,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister has been pretty defiant, saying Australia makes
28:06
Speaker 2: its own decisions. Have a listen.
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Speaker 6: Australia makes their own decisions based upon the assessments that
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Speaker 6: we make.
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Speaker 3: We believe a two state solution is the only way
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Speaker 3: to end the cycle of violence, and regrettably, it is
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Speaker 3: also clear that the Nettan Yahu government rejects it.
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Speaker 2: Greg, are we out of step here?
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Speaker 4: Well, Peter, great to be with you. Look, I think
28:31
Speaker 4: it's a bit disturbing the way Albinizi is now enjoying
28:35
Speaker 4: disagreeing with Trump for the sake of it. That's potentially
28:39
Speaker 4: a damaging dynamic in our Australian politics. Look, I think
28:43
Speaker 4: the two ministers they have sanctioned are reprehensible people. They
28:48
Speaker 4: are reprehensible people. They do enormous damage to Israel. Every
28:52
Speaker 4: Israeli I know is ashamed of these two ministers. But
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Speaker 4: I do think these sanctions are real advised. They're petulant, foolish, empty,
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Speaker 4: hollow grand standing. I mean, these guys are reprehensible guys.
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Speaker 4: But have we imposed mcginsky style sanctions on every single
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Speaker 4: member of the Iranian government which calls for the genocidal
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Speaker 4: destruction of the state of Israel. Have we opposed mcginski
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Speaker 4: style sanctions on all the members of the Chinese government
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Speaker 4: who are accused of genocide in amongst the Wigas, and
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Speaker 4: who you know, run a much more repressive regime than
29:31
Speaker 4: anything Israel ever dreamed of. I think this is just
29:34
Speaker 4: I mean, there are terrible loss of life going on
29:37
Speaker 4: in Sudan and in many parts of the world. This's
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Speaker 4: got nothing to do with conscience. It's got nothing to
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Speaker 4: do with good policy. I just think it's you know, petulant,
29:48
Speaker 4: hollow grand standing on the government's part. It's posturing. It's
29:52
Speaker 4: not designed to have any useful function at all.
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Speaker 2: So let me pick up something you reference there about
29:59
Speaker 2: the relationship between the two men, Because they haven't had
30:02
Speaker 2: a formal meeting. As we know, we've got this issue,
30:05
Speaker 2: We've got the tariff issue, We've obviously got this bru
30:07
Speaker 2: haha about defense funding. Our Prime Minister will be at
30:11
Speaker 2: the G seven in Canada next week, so obviously we'll
30:14
Speaker 2: be Donald Trump. What surprises me we are one of
30:18
Speaker 2: the last serious countries to have a sit down with
30:20
Speaker 2: the new president. They're hoping for a pulicide, which you
30:23
Speaker 2: and I know but viewers at home may not know,
30:26
Speaker 2: is just an informal grab between the two people walking
30:29
Speaker 2: down a corridor at the margins of another group meeting. Now,
30:34
Speaker 2: have we asked for a formal meeting? Has it been rejected?
30:38
Speaker 2: Because I would be very surprised the government in Australia
30:41
Speaker 2: should be seeking a formal sit down meeting given we
30:44
Speaker 2: haven't had one, and the fact that we're not having one,
30:47
Speaker 2: that we're talking about a pullicide says to me the
30:51
Speaker 2: relationships not in good shape.
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Speaker 4: I think that's a fair inference, Peter, but I would
30:58
Speaker 4: share the blame equally here between Albanesi and Trump. Trump
31:02
Speaker 4: makes it very difficult for people now to want to
31:04
Speaker 4: go to Washington. Albanese. He said before the last election
31:07
Speaker 4: that he would make it a high priority to go
31:09
Speaker 4: to Washington soon. But then Trump subjected a number of
31:13
Speaker 4: his visitors to kind of humiliating and bizarre performances in
31:18
Speaker 4: the White House in public. I mean, you never used
31:20
Speaker 4: to have to go through this gauntlet, you know, John
31:24
Speaker 4: Howard didn't have to do this with Bill Clinton or
31:27
Speaker 4: anything like that. And so people are now reluctant. They're
31:31
Speaker 4: high risk and high reward these meetings with Trump. And
31:34
Speaker 4: if you're very powerful, Trump will pay you some difference,
31:38
Speaker 4: like the President of France or the Prime Minister of Britain.
31:41
Speaker 4: But we are not powerful enough to take any of
31:44
Speaker 4: that difference, you know, for granted. And if anyone asked Trump,
31:48
Speaker 4: is Australia spending enough on defense, he'd say no. So
31:52
Speaker 4: I kin'd of it's sort of cowardly of Albanese not
31:56
Speaker 4: to go to Washington and make a bigger deal of
31:59
Speaker 4: our agenda across the administration and across conress. On the
32:03
Speaker 4: other hand, Trump.
32:04
Speaker 2: Even just do it in Canada, yeah, or even just
32:07
Speaker 2: do it in Canada.
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Speaker 4: I absolutely try to have a yeah, you're right, try
32:10
Speaker 4: to have a proper formal meeting in Canada. But if
32:13
Speaker 4: he went to Washington, he'd do a lot more than
32:15
Speaker 4: just seeing Trump. But he should have a formal meeting.
32:18
Speaker 4: He's obviously scared of a formal meeting. I don't think
32:22
Speaker 4: this is quite satisfactory from the Prime Minister, because you
32:26
Speaker 4: can't just curl up into the fetal position and hope
32:28
Speaker 4: the American president doesn't notice you for three years. I honestly,
32:32
Speaker 4: I think the trade stuff is not worth two Bob.
32:34
Speaker 4: I wouldn't expend any energy on trying to get these
32:37
Speaker 4: tariffs lifted. I think Rudd is doing a very good
32:40
Speaker 4: job there and if he can get some sort of
32:42
Speaker 4: deal with the administration, well and good. But it would
32:46
Speaker 4: be better if Albanez he had a relationship with Trump.
32:49
Speaker 4: But I can understand why he is so cautious.
32:53
Speaker 2: Let's go to what's happening in Los Angeles. It's now
32:56
Speaker 2: spread to other areas. We know there are protests in
32:59
Speaker 2: New York and should hargo the Marines now not just
33:02
Speaker 2: the National Guard on the ground in Los Angeles. Newsom
33:05
Speaker 2: says Trump isn't opposed to lawlessness and violence as long
33:08
Speaker 2: as it serves him. We expect, and that's certainly the
33:12
Speaker 2: rumor that Newsom may run as a Democrat. Certainly at
33:16
Speaker 2: the next presidential election. Have listened to his comments. Authoritarian
33:21
Speaker 2: regimes begin by targeting people who are least able to
33:24
Speaker 2: defend themselves, but they do not stop there. All right,
33:30
Speaker 2: how's this going to play out? Well?
33:33
Speaker 4: I think it suits both Trump and Newsom. Really, in
33:36
Speaker 4: American politics, you win by energizing your base, and it
33:39
Speaker 4: energizes the base of both Donald Trump and Gavin Newsom.
33:42
Speaker 4: I think they both behave pretty poorly. Trump is right
33:46
Speaker 4: to try to deport illegal immigrants. He said he was
33:49
Speaker 4: going to do that. He never deported as many as
33:50
Speaker 4: Barack Obama. In the year twenty ten, Obama deported four
33:54
Speaker 4: hundred thousand illegal immigrants, most of whom majority of him
33:58
Speaker 4: were not criminals. They didn't have any extra criminal records.
34:00
Speaker 4: Newsom says, it's shocking that Trump is not only deporting criminals,
34:04
Speaker 4: but he's deporting seamstresses and mechanics and so on. But
34:08
Speaker 4: the thing is, if you are in America illegally, you
34:12
Speaker 4: are subject to deport deportation. And the Americans have gone
34:15
Speaker 4: through having amnesty after amnesty after amnesty, saying all right, well,
34:19
Speaker 4: accept everyone who's here already, but anyone who arrives from
34:22
Speaker 4: tomorrow onwards, illegally will get deported, and then the courts
34:26
Speaker 4: and the sanctuary cities and the uncooperative democratic city and
34:30
Speaker 4: state administrations make it impossible to deport people. This is
34:34
Speaker 4: a big crisis right throughout Western politics. Trump, I think,
34:37
Speaker 4: is perfectly legitimate and perfectly right to try to deport people.
34:41
Speaker 4: I don't know what the point of deploying three hundred
34:44
Speaker 4: marines was. And all the violence that we're seeing on
34:47
Speaker 4: the streets of America in the last couple of days
34:50
Speaker 4: is not between Trump's National guardsmen and demonstrators. It's between
34:54
Speaker 4: city police forces trying to protect their neighborhoods and trying
34:58
Speaker 4: to prevent crime. The city police force of Los Angeles,
35:02
Speaker 4: subject of the authority of the mayor, which is policing
35:05
Speaker 4: these downtown demonstrations. The same in Chicago, the same in
35:10
Speaker 4: New York. But I think both sides of politics are
35:13
Speaker 4: behaving pretty despicably, and both sides of politics have so
35:17
Speaker 4: demonized each other that they get their supporters to think
35:21
Speaker 4: not that they're merely having a disagreement, but that they
35:23
Speaker 4: are locked in a mortal struggle between good and evil,
35:27
Speaker 4: and it's dangerous and destructive. But I mean, America has
35:30
Speaker 4: seen a lot worse and got through a lot worse.
35:33
Speaker 4: I just don't know that either Trump or Newsom will
35:36
Speaker 4: have an incentive genuinely to calm things down. Trump by saying, well, look,
35:41
Speaker 4: let's just go easy for a week or two, or
35:44
Speaker 4: Newsome by saying, we stand one hundred percent in favor
35:47
Speaker 4: of law enforcement and against and against violent demonstrations, and
35:52
Speaker 4: we will enforce all the laws that are legitimate laws
35:56
Speaker 4: of this country.
35:59
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like we this movie before with the
36:01
Speaker 2: Black Lives Matter. You know, one rule for the left
36:03
Speaker 2: and another rule for people lawful people on the right.
36:07
Speaker 2: And I do think governments have got to maintain their
36:10
Speaker 2: borders because if you don't maintain your borders, you are
36:12
Speaker 2: not sovereign, and if you're not sovereign, you're not a country.
36:16
Speaker 2: Well over there, Greg, we'll catch up again next week
36:18
Speaker 2: after the break. The major changes to public safety in
36:20
Speaker 2: the NT. Now this worries me. It's a real Pandora's box.
36:24
Speaker 2: We'll get into this after the break. And those woke
36:26
Speaker 2: signs that are popped up at a hospital, welcome back
36:34
Speaker 2: to all the calm words matter with kel for first
36:37
Speaker 2: and auditory governments preparing to launch a twelve month trial
36:40
Speaker 2: which will allow members of the public to carry pepper
36:43
Speaker 2: spray under strict conditions from the first of September. Western
36:46
Speaker 2: Australia is the only other state with this is permitted
36:49
Speaker 2: at a significantly lower strength than police grade spray. It's
36:53
Speaker 2: all part of the Finniciaro government's plan to increase public safety.
36:57
Speaker 2: So far, the plans had a fairly mixed review use
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Speaker 2: from the public. It's just open up for candle worms, really,
37:03
Speaker 2: isn't it. It won't just for us for protection. Yeah, No,
37:07
Speaker 2: it's not a good idea. It's going to going to
37:10
Speaker 2: cause more problems in it. Yeah.
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Speaker 6: People take things in their own needs.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's a great idea. So we can
37:17
Speaker 2: spray people in the faces if we need well.
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Speaker 1: Some people, yeah, other people. They should actually have a
37:24
Speaker 1: license and do a test.
37:28
Speaker 2: Right. Let's bring the main panel on our Deputy executive
37:30
Speaker 2: director at the IBA, Daniel Wild and the new Member
37:32
Speaker 2: for mon Ash Liberal MP Mary Aldred. Welcome to you, broth.
37:36
Speaker 2: You know, on the face of it, Mary, this sounds attractive,
37:41
Speaker 2: but I'll tell you what I'd imagine getting a home
37:43
Speaker 2: invasion and someone walking in not just with a machete,
37:45
Speaker 2: but pepper spray immobilizing you God for being raping you
37:49
Speaker 2: or something, or being a woman. You might have it
37:52
Speaker 2: in your bag, you're going out for a run or something.
37:54
Speaker 2: You go to use it and someone overpowers it and
37:58
Speaker 2: uses it on you. This makes me pretty nervous.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I've got to say, Peter, I'm lukewarm on it
38:04
Speaker 9: as well.
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Speaker 10: But I think this new government have come to office
38:08
Speaker 10: with a clear mandate to act on.
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Speaker 9: Law and order. They've done some good work on bailed reform.
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Speaker 10: Already, on mandatary minimum discussions for repeat domestic violence offenders.
38:19
Speaker 10: And I do not with the pepper spray proposal. There
38:22
Speaker 10: are some pretty strong restrictions on licensed outlets. You've got
38:27
Speaker 10: to be over eighteen and have a pretty clean record.
38:31
Speaker 10: But I've got to say I'm pretty loopwarm on it
38:34
Speaker 10: as well. But even even talking with a group of
38:38
Speaker 10: local constituents in West Skipsland the other day, people are
38:41
Speaker 10: scared walking down the street in their home right across
38:45
Speaker 10: many parts of Australia. I was talking to a couple
38:47
Speaker 10: that had a home invasion in West s Gippsland, and
38:51
Speaker 10: you know they.
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Speaker 9: It's really affected them.
38:54
Speaker 10: They were putting the chair up against the door and
38:56
Speaker 10: having a baseball, but ready to defend themselves. So this
38:59
Speaker 10: is having a very big impact on people, and I
39:02
Speaker 10: think we shouldn't underplay the significance of that in this conversation.
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Speaker 2: No, I'm also aware in Melbourne there was a terrible
39:11
Speaker 2: event out at Doorrien the other day where someone was
39:13
Speaker 2: trying to fill up their car and they were carjacked.
39:15
Speaker 2: I know, people won't stop at a petrol station. They're
39:17
Speaker 2: reluctant to even stop at the lights. It feels like
39:20
Speaker 2: downtown Johannesburg in some of the suburbs of Melbourne. I mean,
39:24
Speaker 2: this is the place we're at, and this is the
39:27
Speaker 2: sort of standard of living that poor old Victorians have
39:29
Speaker 2: to suffer. And I elsewhere too. I know it's pretty
39:31
Speaker 2: bad up in Townsville and elsewhere on this vein. You'd
39:36
Speaker 2: think that the councilors would do what they should do,
39:38
Speaker 2: and the state government should do what they should do,
39:40
Speaker 2: and would all stick to our k needing. But not
39:42
Speaker 2: if you're the Merribeck Council. This is the old mall
39:45
Speaker 2: and council that changed its name. Of course, Dan, they
39:47
Speaker 2: want to send hundreds of thousands of dollars from rate
39:49
Speaker 2: pays which should be spent on fixing roads and picking
39:53
Speaker 2: up rubbish. This is a council that's sort of out
39:55
Speaker 2: the Brunswick Way, Coburg Way. They want to send it
39:59
Speaker 2: oversea to have all of these carbon offset programs like
40:03
Speaker 2: fuel efficient stoves and Guatemala and planting forests and Panama
40:07
Speaker 2: and solar lighting in Zambia. I mean, give you a break. Well,
40:13
Speaker 2: that's right, Peter.
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Speaker 13: I mean number one, these carbon offsets are a complete
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Speaker 13: and total scam that don't do anything to help those
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Speaker 13: that they're intended to help, but instead just fatten the
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Speaker 13: bottom line of of profits of these well off foreign
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Speaker 13: owned corporations. Number Two, what Brad Batten, the leader of
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Speaker 13: the Opposition, should be saying is that under a government
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Speaker 13: he leads, these counselors will be sacked immediately and any
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Speaker 13: other counselor that's been engaging in this woke social activism
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Speaker 13: using rate payers money. I just think Victorians and Australians
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Speaker 13: had a gut full of this behavior taking place, and
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Speaker 13: at the end of the day, councils should be focused
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Speaker 13: on roads, rates and rubbish, not engaging in divisive social activism.
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Speaker 13: It's not as if this is the first incursion that
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Speaker 13: this Council, and sadly many other councils have had on
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Speaker 13: these kind of issues, whether it's Australia Day, whether it's
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Speaker 13: the Voice to Parliament, whether it's climate activism. So I
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Speaker 13: think most rate payers just expect that the Council, as
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Speaker 13: you say, sticks to its knitting. But I really do
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Speaker 13: think this is a significant political opportunity for the opposition
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Speaker 13: in Victoria and I really hope they run with it.
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Speaker 2: Here's another vexed one for you, Mary. Sorry you're in
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Speaker 2: the hot seat tonight. And American doctor's on his way
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Speaker 2: to Australia. He's got a whole series of meetings to
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Speaker 2: talk about a pretty controversial practice. Now, we don't allow
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Speaker 2: someone to choose the gender of their baby via IVF
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Speaker 2: in Australia, but this doctor helped an Australian woman, an influencer,
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Speaker 2: who went to the US last year so she could
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Speaker 2: have a girl via IVF. Now, we have seen in
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Speaker 2: many countries where you can choose the sex of your child.
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Speaker 2: China and India two real examples. It was in a
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Speaker 2: great reduction in the number of little girls born. Families
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Speaker 2: tend to if only had a couple of children, or
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Speaker 2: one prefer a male child. Do you think of this
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Speaker 2: option in Australia.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't support a change to the existing law
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Speaker 10: on this issue. I don't think it's a good thing
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Speaker 10: for a range of reasons.
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Speaker 9: But it does come in the backdrop. I've seen some
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Speaker 9: proponents of it talking.
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Speaker 10: About Australia and our declining birth rates.
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Speaker 9: I think there's far better ways to address that.
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Speaker 10: For a lot of modern working families, one single income
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Speaker 10: is not enough to.
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Speaker 9: Be able to support them having more children.
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Speaker 10: I think we need to look at childcare accessibility and
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Speaker 10: a whole range of other things that are.
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Speaker 9: Much more practical. So I don't support any change in
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Speaker 9: the existing law on this issue.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to these woke signs in Gospor. Not just woke,
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Speaker 2: they're pretty confusing. Paramedic has pointed them out that a
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Speaker 2: whole lot of Indigenous words are now being used for
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Speaker 2: the emergency department. For the resuscitation by the emergency department
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Speaker 2: is called the sick cave and the bringback room is
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Speaker 2: where you go if you need to be resuscitated. Now
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Speaker 2: there's English signs there, Dan, but they're right at the
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Speaker 2: bottom and I think the concern is that there'll be
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Speaker 2: confusion and lives could be lost.
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think it is confusing, and it's also dangerous, Peter,
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Speaker 13: and it's also divisive. And I just think that Australians
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Speaker 13: look at this and we wonder where is this actually
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Speaker 13: going to end? And how does this actually help anybody?
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Speaker 13: I mean, what is the point of this. The point
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Speaker 13: of a hospital is to treat people no matter what
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Speaker 13: their background is, no matter whether they're Indigenous or non indigenous.
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Speaker 13: That's the job of a hospital, not to engage in
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Speaker 13: any form of activism in any way, shape or form.
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Speaker 13: And I think a lot of Australians also now feel
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Speaker 13: that in many ways we don't really recognize the country
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Speaker 13: that we live in. I mean, having different signs in hospitals,
43:52
Speaker 13: we also see street signs that.
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Speaker 2: Can be in a different language.
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Speaker 13: I'm concerned that we may go down the path of
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Speaker 13: New Zealand, where they have a lot of their infrastructure
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Speaker 13: and other social services that have dual names, you know,
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Speaker 13: and it's obviously a different cultural context. But I think
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Speaker 13: when you look at this, eraises the question of who's
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Speaker 13: this intended to help? And I've got to say it's
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Speaker 13: probably going to cause a lot of damage.
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Speaker 2: You're not wrong. I'll live there both. They have a
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Speaker 2: lovely weekend. I'll see you both next week. I know
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Speaker 2: we don't the weekend yet, but I won't see them
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Speaker 2: then until next week. Kel Richard's up the break. I'll
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Speaker 2: tell you what my audience and my best researchers. I've
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Speaker 2: got a number of emails already of similar confusing Indigenous
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Speaker 2: English signs in hospitals. Thank you, Julie. I'll get to
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Speaker 2: that one tomorrow night. But now it's Wednesday. It's Kel
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Speaker 2: Richards who joins me now, as he always does, makes
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Speaker 2: my week. Leon one of our viewers says, the word
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Speaker 2: genocide is used a lot these days, and he wants
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Speaker 2: to know is it being misused?
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Speaker 7: Leon, You're right on the money, it is being misused.
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Speaker 7: The contrast is really s well. Think about it this way.
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Speaker 7: When Hitler invaded a country, civilians who died died in warfare,
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Speaker 7: not genocide. But when Hitler sent a specific population group
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Speaker 7: into gas ovens in death camps, that was genocide. The
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Speaker 7: difference is crystal clear. In nineteen forty eight, the United
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Speaker 7: Nations came up with a definition of genocide which was
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Speaker 7: the intent to destroy of national, religious, racial, or ethnic group,
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Speaker 7: intent to destroy a particular group. Now, in the light
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Speaker 7: of that definition, anyone who supports the Palesidians and says
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Speaker 7: that Israeli's guilty of genocide in Gaza, I'm sorry. They
45:40
Speaker 7: may not intend to, but they are lying.
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Speaker 2: Oh thank you for clearing that one up. I really
45:47
Speaker 2: like this one from Karen. She wants to know why
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Speaker 2: media reports of accidents and they say someone collided with
45:53
Speaker 2: a tree. She says, don't. Both subjects have to be moving,
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Speaker 2: so both independently moving to actually collide.
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Speaker 7: Originally, Karen, yes, but the language changes over time. Collision
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Speaker 7: originally meant you couldn't apply to a car at speed
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Speaker 7: hitting a tree just standing there innocently on its own.
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Speaker 7: And there are old journalists who lecture the trainees these
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Speaker 7: days on exactly that point. They say, there's another word.
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Speaker 7: The word is allgion awl and Alision has been used
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Speaker 7: to mean a moving object hitting a stationary object since
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Speaker 7: sixteen fifteen. But if we ran headlines or ran stories
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Speaker 7: saying a car allided with the tree, no one would
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Speaker 7: understand it. So if we can't do that, and the
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Speaker 7: Oxford is now officially ruled that collision has changed. It's broadened.
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Speaker 7: It can mean a moving object hitting a stationary object.
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Speaker 2: All right, So we say it's evolved, and I get
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Speaker 2: that English is a living language. I don't think it's
46:56
Speaker 2: evolved this far. When I grew up, it was agreement,
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Speaker 2: and I listened to plenty of reporters saying the word agreeance.
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, absolutely rubbish. And it really distresses me. Is
47:11
Speaker 7: this is a kind of muddle or confusion between agreement
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Speaker 7: and compliance. Now I understand where they've had a similar meaning,
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Speaker 7: but to get them muddled like that, I'm sorry. That
47:21
Speaker 7: is something done by the semi literate. I would like
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Speaker 7: to be kind to them and say, you know, agreeance
47:27
Speaker 7: is a nice word, go on using it, but I'm
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Speaker 7: not going to. I'm sorry. If you use agreeance, what
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Speaker 7: I hear is ignorance. Sheer ignorance. Don't do it.
47:37
Speaker 2: It's a bit like hel when I hear people say
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Speaker 2: they passed such and such past. Well, actually they died.
47:43
Speaker 2: First of all, they died, But if you want a
47:46
Speaker 2: softer term, it's passed away. It's not passed ye ye, yep.
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Speaker 7: There are a lot of people who are that don't
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Speaker 7: treasure the English language anymore and are not taking care
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Speaker 7: to use it in the way that they should.
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Speaker 2: All right, Rick says, we've heard a lot of terms
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Speaker 2: during this whole cost of living crisis. You know tight now, Bell,
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Speaker 2: I think we know what that one means. But Rick
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Speaker 2: wants to know. Making ends meet.
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Speaker 7: Comes from double entry bookkeeping, which was invented back in
48:15
Speaker 7: Venice in about the twelve hundreds. In double entry bookkeeping,
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Speaker 7: both columns, the ends, the bottom lines have to be identical.
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Speaker 7: They have to meet, they have to agree with each other,
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Speaker 7: they have to balance. When you get those two columns
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Speaker 7: to balance, you've made ends meet.
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Speaker 4: That's where it's from.
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Speaker 2: How good are you? I tell you why. I know
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Speaker 2: you're going to have a bit of a break, so
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Speaker 2: we'll miss you for a couple of weeks. All the
48:37
Speaker 2: very best. We'll save up our words oswords dot com
48:41
Speaker 2: dot au. Thank you, kel that's it for me, se
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Speaker 2: tomorrow night. Here's Andrew