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Diane Labrecque on Jesus and More · Urantia Radio

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so we're happy to have on your enter radio the podcast, Diane
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labrecque who is joining us and we're going to talk about a lot
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of things but Chief among them, the the Jesus of the Bible and
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the Jesus of the Rancho book and how these two are coalesced.
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And also we're going to talk about a very important book that
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I've not ever mentioned before and in my conversations with
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Diane, she mentioned to me Duane faa's para Moni and the
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Paramount, he was a book that was published a long time ago
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and it is the work of Dwayne where he is able to
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cross-reference all of the statements in the Rancho book
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too. Correlated statements that are
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found in the Old and New Testament, so both of the
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Testaments and it's a remarkable achievement.
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When you think about the fact that one man was able to take.
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Literally almost, I won't say almost but a tremendous
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percentage of the Rancho book and find corollary statements.
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That backup Urantia book or at least gives source and and I
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think Diane will have a much better time explaining this But
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it is pretty profound a little background on Diane.
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She is a Canadian. She was born raised Christian in
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Quebec. She is a highly successful,
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fashion designer. Also a business manager.
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She has what I find interesting when I look over her, her
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vitals, or her curricula that a or her resume, she is very
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instrumental. If you ever read, Malcolm
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gladwell's was a called the, Connection or something like
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that. She's a connector.
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She is very involved in so many different ways with the Urantia
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book and the ranch of movement. And it was truly, truly, truly a
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wonderful experience. She called me not long before
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the Jubilee of Jubilee celebration that she and dr.
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Brother Joe Joshua. Who's been on this program?
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Formulated back when we were celebrating and we and she
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invited me to be a part of that Zoom conference, the global
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conference and in doing. So I got a chance to get to know
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her and her story is just it's incredible.
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So she joins us now and I want to expound on her knowledge of
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the ranch of movement, her current involvement, which he is
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doing with the Iran, shh Association and there's just so
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much more that we can cover. So Diane first of all, I want to
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thank God. Bringing you into my life and
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inspiring me and it's so good to have you here.
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How are you doing? I'm doing great, Jim.
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And I thank God for bringing you in my life, too, because the
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connection is just excellent. And it was meant to be, because,
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as you said two months ago, we didn't even know two or three
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months ago, we did not know of one another and now Luke, we're
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doing something together on your podcast program and it's going
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to be excellent for your audience.
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Since they're going to be in for treats.
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So I'm very very happy and thank you to invite me on your
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program. Well it's a pleasure and an
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honor and as we go through, we'll share some of the events
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in your life that brought you to where you are today.
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And also some questions I might have about some of the
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conference's that you attended but I want to start off with a
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sort of a non your Rancher question and it was spurned.
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I started reading this book this morning about the rise of
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totalitarianism. In the world today because of
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events that have concurred, do you get a sense that we are
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facing a crisis moment in the world like, in your
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interpretation with or connected to the Rancho book or not?
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What do you sense is the, what's the temperature in the room of
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humanity right now? Are we, are we heading towards a
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peak moment where we're all going to have to really decide
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what we're going to do. Or is this just Part of the ebb
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and flow of human evolution. What's your take on the
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situation of the world today? By far, I would say that it is
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not just the abdomen flow. It's actually, we're being
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tested were being brought to the how should we say to the
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precipice to make a choice, a personal choice?
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And I think that just like I've been saying for the past five,
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six years, it's a spiritual situation.
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It's Way Beyond politics. Jim to Again, this is only my
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personal opinion, you ask me. So I'm telling you frankly, I
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think that it is Way Beyond, it's not even a question of I'm
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in Canada. So it's not a question of
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liberal, or conservative, or Democrats or Republicans, or so
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on and so forth. To me, it's a battle, a
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spiritual battle. It's a battle between light and
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darkness, good and evil. A lot of Truth is coming out
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there. Seems to be not.
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There seems to be I'm sorry, there is a great cleansing
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happening around the whole planet and people are waking up.
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It's almost like, for coming out of a slumber, like, waking up.
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Wow, where have I been? You know, and now, we're being
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challenged to make our own research to find out the truth.
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And when I say the truth, I mean not the little human truth which
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is partial capital. T, the spirit of Truth, which is
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Jesus - his body and so we need to find the Truth, because we
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are into a transition period and major planetary transition
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period that will help us to go into a wonderful era.
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But before that, it's almost like when you haven't inhabited
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your house for a long time and there's all kinds of stuff that
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collected and before you go in a reinhabit your world you have to
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do a cleansing. And so while you cleanse you do
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you see all the Problems that they you know all the stuff that
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needs to go. We need to grow and rise to a
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new level of Brotherhood together and we're going to do
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it together. Otherwise we're not going to do
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it. So it calls upon love, love of
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our brothers. Like Jesus taught us do unto
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others. What you would have them do
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unto, you love one. Another like I have loved you so
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we need to not only know about his teachings but we need we are
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Called now, to put more into, put them more than ever before
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into practice so that we can see this new transition that we're
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going through. It's not the to me in my mind,
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it's not the end of the world, it's the end of a world and the
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beginning of the new world. And what is so beautiful?
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Is why we are seeing all the, all the Gurkha stuff, you know,
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that's going on around the planet.
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What? Is unknown to a lot of people is
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that there's something fabulous that's been birthing, you know,
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and it's becoming more and more and more known to the public.
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It's the same as the when I was there at the very beginning of
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the organic movement. I remember when I introduced, I
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was also in the naturopathic field when I introduced organic
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food to the supermarket's, the, the directors would look at me
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and say, what are you crazy? I mean organic food and today,
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there's even you go to a little grocery store at the street
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corner, and they always have a few organic products because
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they're good sellers, you know, you go to the grocery store to
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the supermarket. They have aisles of products,
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but when we began, we were the Trailblazers and people laughed
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at us ridiculed us. And today, it's all over the
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planet, people know of the importance of feeding, our D.
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We are the temple of God and the temple deserves to be treated
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properly and that is real food, food, authentic food, healthy
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food, so that we can have a same mind to work with a same body, a
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healthy body and that's what it is.
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So now it's happening worldwide and it's a spiritual battle.
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It's a battle of values. Spiritual values.
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Are we going to go down as we are going in.
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Our values are going down Down or we are going to pick it up
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and go up again. So if you look around, there's
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an extraordinary movement going, people wanting to know the
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truth, wanting a better world and I love to see that there's a
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lot of hope that's looking at us right in the face.
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You know, the interesting that you say I agree with you.
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I think the people the average person on the street wants
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answers. A meaningful answers to their
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life. We've been reduced to, you know,
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a cog in the wheel. Yeah, give you a good example,
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you know, over the weekend, my wife and I went to a movie and
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nowadays. When you go to a movie theater,
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they have you pick your seats. You know, you have to look on
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the screen while you're getting your tickets and they have you
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pick your seats. Now, what always ends up
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happening, is you go into the theater and you can't see the
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seat numbers and somebody might be sitting in your seat,
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whatever it is. And it becomes Because you now
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you have a, you've been assigned a destination, you've been
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assigned a number and it's the same with water compliance
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officers, when they drive, you know, you can only water your
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it's all it's almost as we're all being reduced to nothing
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more than what is termed. The atomized humanware nothing
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more than a particle and and we're nothing more than a digit.
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And and there's this, this ensuing philosophy now that
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we're all just individuals that need to be controlled Old so
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that, you know, we can, we can geoengineer Harmony, you know,
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harmonious relationships. And there are people who are in
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charge, who believe that human beings can be controlled and
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managed. As if as if again, they're just
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particles nothing more than arithmatic.
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And it's interesting because in paper, 195, it talks about the
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mechanistic view point versus the spiritual Viewpoint and
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right now. Science seems to be leading the
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way in mechanistic view points, mechanism scientism, which
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asserts that there is no God. That there is, no Jesus.
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There is no religion that all those things are just mere
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constructs. And so science has
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inadvertently, declared war on spiritualism or spirituality
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religion Faith. This is the Age of Reason.
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This is not the age of, we broke from the church and when we
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broke that during the Enlightenment, we Sure that we
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are God's. Do you not see that?
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This is the prevalent message that's coming, not only from the
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media, but it's in our schools, it's in our government, it's in
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our industry. That's that's frightening to me.
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Does does that ever you see with the pressure that we're up
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against? We have to push back against
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that. And I think the Rancho book
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offers a viable solution because it is rooted in the scientific
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method, not the scientific method But it includes science,
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it merges science. It Bridges, the monolithic View
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to a stereo stereoscopic view of humanity.
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When you put the spirit back in, man, I just I've grown more
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concerned about that. Ideological struggle.
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And I wanted to get your opinion on.
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How do you remain? So optimistic, which it sounds
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like you're just so terrifically optimistic.
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Every time I speak to you, you just full of joy.
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And I think, man, I thought Canada was in prison.
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I thought Canada was a prison right now.
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How is this woman? So happy.
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But you know what you're saying is true, the beauty.
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And that is when Jesus says the truth shall set you free.
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It is setting us free a gym and what's happening is that the
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great after the great cleansing, the planetary great cleansing
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that has been processed. We are in the process where the
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people are conscious of it or not.
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It is happening after this is done.
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It's going to be heaven on Earth before that, unfortunately,
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there's that say that when you clean your house, you don't like
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to see all this stuff, you know? And you go like, oh my God,
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bring me the garbage bag. Bring cleaning the yeah, yes,
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we're cleaning. But after that it's spic and
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span. And the beauty is that I was
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blessed that Jesus even before, I knew the name, Urantia or the
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ranch a book, or the existence of any of that or the anyone in
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the ranch. Mmm, Movement.
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I was blessed to, to be taken up to heaven.
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It was not the first time in my life, but that time it was the
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major time. And as I told my mother before
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she died, who was always scared of dying.
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I come from a family of 12 and I remember my mom telling us all
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the time. Oh, don't tell me kids.
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Children, don't tell me about death.
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I don't want it. I am so scared.
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And after that, extraordinary experience that Blessed me to to
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live as firsthand personal. Spiritual experience.
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I told her I said mom you just wait and see.
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It is so beautiful. There's no human words to
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describe it and the beauty is that God wins.
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So we may be in the dark period where it looks like that
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mechanistic and that you know, that stuff that is going on.
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But The sad thing is that we have a big, big responsibility
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and that is we slept for a long time if you know what I mean, a
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lot even myself. I consider myself being an
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artist by Nature. I was a high fashion designer
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and then I worked in the field of Health, but I always thought
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myself to be a political I wanted to know nothing about
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politics, like so many people and because of that, well, Like
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they say, you know, when the cat is not there, the mice laugh.
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So, because we were all sleeping, you know, with a nice
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drink and the nice cigarette, and a nice party and the nice
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dance, and a nice. This and that there were other
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people that had other agendas and they had no opposition.
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They must have been laughing like crazy choking.
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As they were laughing saying, what we're not even getting
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opposition. But now people are waking up and
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realizing that it is. It is our responsibility, we get
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the world that we deserve, we get the society that we deserve,
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we get the government that we deserve, but we need to wake up
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and take responsibility and stop saying, oh no, I want nothing to
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know about this, you know, I leave it to them.
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You know, and to have Blind Faith, No More Blind Faith for
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me. As far as I know, I trust, it's
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my innate in my nature, but I trust with my eyes open now.
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We have been given intelligence, we must use it.
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You know, we deserve the effort that we make, and we put into
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it. So now it's nice because a lot
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of people around the world and I've been watching it over the
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planet and it's incredible to see even though in the mean
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stream media, we don't see all the beautiful changes that are
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happening. They are there.
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You just need to know to be connected to know where to look
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and Like Jesus says again, ask and you shall receive and when
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you ask sometimes you're amazed at the speed that you get the
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answer because he doesn't waste time.
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Yeah. And the other thing is the when
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asked when you at it goes fast and you go really You know you
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realize the seriousness of his teachings when he says ask but
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if you didn't have, don't complain that you didn't know.
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You never asked me but you know, it's like a child.
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If the child asked Mommy, Daddy, can I do this?
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But if the child doesn't have the parent, doesn't have to say
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it ahead of time. They wait until the child asks.
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So we need to do. We have a responsibility as a
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Humanity. We are all children of God and
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if we are all All children of God.
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That means we are automatically brothers and sisters in spirit.
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And so, we must treat our brothers and sisters, just like
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my parents. As part of a family of 12, they
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taught us. Well, they taught us educated us
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into treating one another with love with acceptance, naturally.
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There were little arguments at times.
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And after that, we would giggle and laugh how stupid it was but
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what I mean is That the foundation of it was love, I
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grew up in a family of love and I know what it is.
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It was like a little manufacturer, you know, little
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industry and it had to move and all this but at the same time
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just multiply that into Mount of time.
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The planet is like that we are one big family and what one does
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to hurt Humanity hurts, a lot of humanity but what one does of
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good Good to humanity effect. It's like the butterfly effect
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and so it is much more serious than we think.
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But now the time has come because before it was not ready
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for that. Now, Communications are in you
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know, their planetary. I remember traveling around the
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world somewhere and it was very expensive to call home or to
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call someone then now you go in any country you connect with
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Communications that you choose. For whatever, what's up?
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It's free. You can do video.
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It's unbelievable. How easy it is.
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And so now, the time has come for this major cleansing, this
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major change to happen and the Rancher book, which has been
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here for about, you know, roughly 75 years published, but
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roughly 100 years that it was revealed to humanity.
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Now, it's time for people to know about That in, this is why
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as we were talking you. And I last week, I told you I
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mentioned, I think that it would be extraordinary to explain
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about the pair emoni. By the way, the word para Moni
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means the parallel and the harmony between the Bible and
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the ranch book because we know that there's a third of the
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planet, there's two and a half billion naturally, I'm making
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rough General numbers. I'm not going to say 2 billion,
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four hundred million and so but Generally speaking two and a
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half billion Christians around the world.
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Jesus is known on the planet. Whichever religion it is, he is
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known and so I think it would be not with.
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I think it is most crucially important to inform Christians
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around the world that this book called The Revolution 250 pockle
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Revolution called The Ranch a book has a third of the book.
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Or k which is the life. And teachings of Jesus is 777
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pages, and it is extraordinary because it recounts us to me.
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It's the most beautiful love story on the planet.
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If I had a child again, it would be the bedtime story to my my
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beloved child. Because how are you?
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You, you cannot help but become not fall in love you don't
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fault, you become. You come to be in love with
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Jesus. You discovered Jesus year by
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year before his bestowal on Earth and then after that birth
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and then year 1 2 3 4 5 and the beauty Jim is that it is
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completely in line with the Bible and yesterday this weekend
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as I was making more searches for our this interview.
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I realize I had a flash in my mind and it I realized to me
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I've all I was raised Christian so I love the Bible, I was very
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much in love with God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and all this.
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And we learned it at school and so on and so forth.
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And so I realized that to me with the Rancher book now and
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with this in-depth story of the life and teachings of Jesus,
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it's almost like as an analogy, okay?
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It's almost like when Start to go to school.
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You go to elementary, and secondary level, and all that.
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And one of the matters you learn is mathematics.
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So, you're in mathematics and this, and that, and you're
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happy, but then you grow up, you mature, you go to a college or
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straight to University. And then you enroll for add to
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become a mathematician, because you love it so much.
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So naturally you're going to learn more mathematics because
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When you're specializing in that field and you've also gone to a
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new level of school. So the ranch a book is like
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that. It's the perfect marriage with
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the Bible and all that you can learn in the Bible, especially
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the New Testament about Jesus and his life and teachings, when
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you dare give it a chance and read the Rancher book and
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especially part for specially dedicated to Telling us the true
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life story of the birth of Jesus, his human life and then
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his personal Ministry, and then public Ministry.
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You discover that, it is so wonderful.
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So this man that you named earlier Jim, Dwayne far I thank
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God that I was blessed to meet him before he left us, he left
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this world a few years ago, but I met him in, in the 1980s 1990s
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Yes. And as soon as I met him, it was
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like my grandfather. It was, I loved him so much and
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his wife Lucille as well. And he wrote this book, and at
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the time it was not done with the electronics.
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Like today, you can compose so fast.
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He did it all by hand, and he knew the Bible inside out doing
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for was a brigadier general, and also an attorney he taught law.
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He was a log. Professor at Pepperdine
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University in California. So it's not to say the least and
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I was even told that by friends of his that Generals in the Army
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used him for advice, you know, and all that.
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He fought three War, the second world war, the Vietnam War, the
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Korean War. Interesting.
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Yes, it was a fascinating man. I'm so happy.
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I met him in person. I want to just ask a couple of
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questions because you're like a wind Up if I don't stop you but
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I don't want to miss some key points here.
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You you mentioned two things that are spectacular.
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One is that Dwayne fought knew the Bible back and forth.
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Yeah he would not have been able to do the pair of Moni had he
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not had that knowledge of the Bible so I assume exactly.
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So therein lies a deeper point which is here is the man who is
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The Theologian. He understands the Bible, he
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probably knows more about the Bible than most many people.
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Many Christians would say to you.
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That the Bible is the final word and expression of God and having
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adopted that philosophy. They are resistant to the Rancho
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book because they feel that the Rancho book may be deceptive, or
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it may be the work of evil forces, whatever.
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Whatever they can say but yeah you have this example of a
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professor at a very prestigious School.
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I've sat on the lawn at Pepperdine overlooking Malibu.
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It's a beautiful beautiful. One of the most beautiful
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campuses and he also was a devout.
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Urantia book reader. He could not have been able to
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do the pair of money unless he had all of the knowledge and he
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needed both the Bible and the ranch a book.
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So do you have any insight as to what convinced?
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Dr. Fa or general, fa or Dwayne? What convinced him?
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You do general fund? Yes, but what convince him of
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the authenticity of the Rancho book, what was it that convinced
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him? This is the real deal, you know,
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Jim there Comes A Time in one's life when the hand of God moves
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along, and we don't have a choice to make in this.
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And that if we are really connected with the Divine in
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each and every one of us, by the way, It works.
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It's like by osmosis and so that's what happened.
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He was an absolute. He was teaching the Bible, he
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loved the Bible. He's a seat was such a religious
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man and all that. So it's not a coincidence, Jim
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that he knew the Bible. So well to the point of teaching
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it and then he found the ranch a book.
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If someone wants to know the story of Dwayne for how he found
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the Urantia book, there's a beautiful website called Our
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calls and saskia and her team. They have an extraordinary
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website where you can find the story of Dwayne Fox.
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How he found the wrench a book and it is fascinating.
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Because again, like I repeat the hand of God puts you on the path
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of finding it, unbeknownst to you.
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And then you just think even him at the beginning.
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He thought like she doubted and he left it there aside and it's
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only After that, he picked it up again and started to look at it
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and became totally convinced so much.
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So that after having read the part, 4 of The Life and
27:23
teachings of Jesus, he was, simply inspired inspired in
27:29
inside, spired the spirit, the spirit inside him inspired him,
27:34
a guided him to write his para Moni.
27:37
And at the time, imagine when he did all that work by hand, At
27:42
the bottom of his, the cover story of the book, The hardcover
27:46
book, it's he wrote, It's the Bible readers key to the ranch
27:52
book. The para Moni and it's the
27:54
Rancher book readers key to the Bible because it's he created a
27:59
parallel and Harmony between the two so that people he did that
28:04
to help people. He knew that the Rancher book
28:07
would find with come to its day when it was, you know, when
28:11
Jesus, it said my hour has come. So the hour is coming for the
28:16
Rancher book to become known all over the world.
28:20
I'm telling you and I'm on the verge of tears at this, at the
28:23
every time it is so beautiful. And so at the time it had 15,000
28:30
cross references between the Bible and the Urantia book and
28:36
today it has been with the advance of technology and all
28:40
that people. Find it in two different ways
28:44
they can find it on Amazon, param own EPA are a.m. ony the
28:50
parallel and the Harmony and today get do you know how many
28:54
cross-references they are from 15,000?
28:58
It is, and then 25,000. Now today there are more than
29:04
60, 60, 60 thousand cross references between readers of
29:11
the Rancho. Book who want to verify that the
29:15
Bible talk about that. Yeah, okay you go there, you're
29:18
going the Paramount me, you find it.
29:20
People who read the Bible, like Dwayne flowers, a reader of the
29:24
Bible, okay? And astute reader.
29:27
You go into the Bible and you find, oh, I wonder if the read
29:31
your book mentions that and it's a beautiful beautiful marriage
29:36
of the two and just like when the ranch a book was revealed.
29:42
You can find a quote from the Bible and then cross-reference
29:44
and read verse shit. That's exactly that.
29:48
It's expounded so much. So that over the weekend, I made
29:51
of research and an in-depth research.
29:55
And just to give you an example in the Bible, the name and
29:59
that's the King James version. That I use the name of Jesus is
30:04
mentioned 942 times K, which is quite a lot in the Rancher book.
30:12
The name, Jesus is mentioned, four thousand four, hundred and
30:16
ninety four times. So, and that's just, that's not
30:21
just in the life and teachings of Jesus, but also know it took
30:24
tired. It's the whole you arrange a
30:26
book. Yeah.
30:27
Yes. Because we know he's a Son of
30:28
God, right? And so, they talked about Jesus
30:31
throughout the whole book and so all this to say that it is not
30:36
to diminish, or it's not the work of the devil or on the
30:39
opposite, it's a blessing to Entity as someone said, you
30:44
know, Humanity being so scientific scientifically minded
30:48
and all that and being more and more secular needed some help to
30:55
prevent a major catastrophe. And so this was revealed to
30:59
humanity, to help Humanity, not to throw all the pass into the
31:06
garbage and no on the opposite. You've been doing wonderful.
31:11
Look at A third of the planet is Christian reading.
31:15
The Bible knows about Jesus, God the stole this and that and
31:19
Resurrection, okay? Now you're ready, just like when
31:22
a child grows, if you just think of babies, you know, when you're
31:27
young at 56 years old, I remember that I played with one
31:31
of my sisters and we play dolls and we had our little table set
31:35
and all this and we would play Mommy and all that.
31:38
And then when I grew up well when we both grew up, we both
31:41
had Children. And it's a new face but it
31:45
doesn't mean to say that before it was bad or it was less know,
31:49
it's a time, it's a coming of age.
31:52
And the coming of age is that the revelation of the ranch,
31:56
able to humanity is extraordinary.
32:00
When it was published in 1955, it revealed things that were not
32:05
even known in the scientific and in geology or different fields,
32:11
you know? Of science that today they've
32:15
come out and they said actually you know what it's true.
32:19
Now we have the proved because they have you know the
32:23
technology that is more advanced to verify two double proof you
32:28
know their discoveries and it goes with what was said in 1955
32:34
in the urine to book so it's extraordinary and if you want,
32:39
we could actually just let people know.
32:42
I have a couple of quotes that I would like to just make a
32:45
parallel and a Harmony between the Bible and the Rancher book
32:50
because I hope I pray God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit that
32:57
Christian readers of the Bible who want to give it at least a
33:01
try. You cannot judge something from
33:05
the fear of the unknown. You have at least I remember
33:08
being in a show one day and Someone came to the booth and we
33:13
had the Bible and we were talking about the Rancher book.
33:17
And this person said, oh that book must be the work of the
33:20
devil and all that. And we just simply ask the guy
33:24
which said, okay you know the Bible, you love it and we're
33:28
happy for you because we love the Bible and we know it too.
33:32
Now, do you know the orange book?
33:33
No, but I don't want to know. And so the answer that we said
33:36
with love and and the spirit of Brotherhood, well, you know, the
33:40
best I could make is if you ever want to give it a try and read
33:45
it and then after that come and discuss or write your questions,
33:49
we could go in depth and help you.
33:52
And if you still don't like it, good, that's free.
33:56
Will you make your own choice, but at least give it a try.
34:00
And so it has happened to a lot of people even doing father,
34:06
because he was such a lover of the Bible, he left the ranch
34:10
book aside for a few days. Days.
34:12
And then when he was driven to that, again, it just lit him up
34:17
like on fire. And then God used him to write
34:22
this pair emoni, which to me if one person wants to spoil
34:27
themselves and by or it's their birthday and they ask for gift,
34:32
how asked for two books, the para Moni.
34:35
Be wrench, a book and the pair emoni with their Bible and The
34:39
Trinity, the perfect Trinity. The Bible, read the wrench, a
34:43
book, and use a Paramount e and compare and people will see
34:48
that. It's a work of art.
34:50
It's a revelation, it's extraordinary.
34:53
It makes us mature and grow. And by far, it does not belief
35:00
put down the Bible on the opposite, it rests on the Bible
35:05
and it encourages people, and with the new advances that we've
35:10
made we are in 20:22. Well we look at it and we go.
35:15
Wow. Is that extraordinary to know
35:19
the life of Jesus in more details and to know each year in
35:24
when he was 1 years old? Two years old, three years old
35:27
wet were the major points that happened and this is why I would
35:33
like to share the comparison with the wrench, a book in the
35:36
Bible just to encourage people. Say let's see ya.
35:40
Yes. And gained.
35:44
Okay, so I told you about the name Jesus, if we look at
35:48
Paradise I'm only going to mention names and words that we
35:52
are all Bible readers and or because many of us are Bible
35:56
readers and Urantia book readers know, from both sides.
36:00
So if we look at the word Paradise, okay?
36:04
And it's always a King James version.
36:06
So in the ranch book, it is mentioned.
36:09
Paradise is mentioned 1534. Times.
36:15
And in the Bible it is mentioned three times.
36:18
No, Paradise. Are you kidding me?
36:20
The the why not? I wish I was three times so why
36:25
Christians don't believe in Paradise?
36:28
No, it's not that. I mean.
36:30
Okay, for me it's not for me to judge.
36:32
All I'm saying is I stayed up all night, even the whole
36:36
weekend. I was up last night at 1:00 in
36:38
the morning, woken up, Diane get up.
36:41
Go, look this word, this word. This word and every time, My
36:44
Marvel. I go.
36:45
All my God. Can you imagine the benefit that
36:49
Bible readers will get when they embrace the life and teachings
36:54
of Jesus and the wrench, a book for the ones who will feel
36:58
inspired to read the whole book because it's intron the four
37:01
parts 1534 X versus three times in the Bible.
37:09
So that illustrates really Diane's, it's the scope and the
37:14
Scope of narrative of the Urantia book for people who
37:17
aren't familiar with it and it is, it is truly a testament.
37:20
We are getting close to that point where I want to kind of
37:24
draw things to a conclusion and I do have a couple of real
37:27
important. Quick questions.
37:28
I wanted to have you reflect on one.
37:31
We're coming up on the 20th anniversary.
37:33
I know it's hard to believe since you attended as a keynote
37:36
speaker. Not only at the International
37:39
Conference of Urantia book Fellowship but also what was
37:42
striking to me is you Also attended the world religions,
37:48
the parliament of the world's religions in Chicago and 93,
37:50
that same year. And you had people from all the
37:53
different faiths and I am sure just judged on what I think of
37:57
your personality. I'm sure you had a lot of
37:59
conversations at that event and so really a two-pronged.
38:05
Question number one, was your was your impression fate.
38:09
What did you run into people who are favorable to the ranch?
38:12
A book didn't know about. It, or were resistant to it.
38:16
What was your general take away from people in 1993 about the
38:21
Rancho book. When you attended this world,
38:23
religions Parliament, there was a booth at the parliament of the
38:27
world's religions gym, and people were very receptive,
38:31
naturally, it would be a not telling the truth to say that it
38:35
was only a positive. There's always people that from
38:38
lack of knowledge, or from the fear of the unknown simply not
38:41
knowing will have the first Ian of oh no, I'm doing fine with my
38:46
Bible. Thank you very much.
38:48
But in general it was just love. They were people who already
38:54
knew about the Urantia book and so they were delighted to see
38:58
that the Rancher book has its own booth and was talking and
39:02
meeting people and spreading the word.
39:04
I remember their meeting anyway, I'm not going to go into that
39:09
story, but it was quite interesting to see the two
39:12
founders of Google. Promoting this world wide web,
39:17
that didn't exist. And I remember having a vision,
39:20
what would that have to do with religion?
39:22
Why are they showing up? What was a jit pie doing it?
39:25
This thing? Because of communication,
39:29
always, and I remember having a Flash and looking up and saying,
39:33
oh my God, this is gonna be big is going to be plenty Terry.
39:37
And today, we laugh because triple W is known all over the
39:40
world. But I remembered their table, a
39:43
very simple Table and all this. They were students University
39:47
students, and all that. So all this to say the
39:49
parliament of world religions, had everyone from every religion
39:54
and all that, and the reception of the Rancher book was a big
39:57
win. So, what happened when I mean,
39:59
you really felt that people were open to this.
40:02
I still think that most of the world right now, they don't want
40:07
this book. This book would destroy
40:10
globalism as we as they know it not as we know it.
40:14
As we understand that the era of light and life is when there's
40:17
eventual Brotherhood among all Humanity but we're a long way
40:21
from that. I mean we have so much work to
40:23
do and there are people like who you mentioned who have a
40:28
completely different view point of reality which we touched on
40:31
earlier. Their version of globalism isn't
40:33
the same as the most highs version of globalism, you know
40:37
what I'm saying? In other words yeah our
40:39
planetary seraphic government the Four and Twenty elders.
40:44
Elders who are involved in the decision.
40:45
Making taba manciu all of these different spiritual
40:50
personalities that are involved behind the scenes are looking at
40:54
the so-called globalist today and they're saying that's not
40:58
the path. You're going down people so they
41:00
don't want religion. I am I am convinced.
41:03
I am that there are forces today who don't want religion.
41:08
And if this book came along and brought more people to the truth
41:13
and the reality of Jesus, This is Mission, then it's going to
41:16
destroy their ability, I think to achieve their own short-term
41:21
goals. So that's why I asked about the
41:24
world. Faith Parliament.
41:26
What is your view of the reception?
41:29
I know the people are receiving it but are the right, people
41:32
receiving it. In other words, you know, in
41:34
Jesus, I did. Yes.
41:35
Yeah, I believe. Yes.
41:36
Jim. And first of all, I want to see
41:38
want to know what he's talking about.
41:40
That's what I'm saying, right? Okay, what I want to say is
41:43
first First of all, there are many several Bible readers who
41:49
have the wrench, a book and know about the ranch abou and use
41:53
that extraordinary, supplementary information in
41:58
their preaching, which impresses a lot of their followers because
42:02
it's like wow. Does he ever know a lot?
42:05
And that Tata Tata, they are not ready to come up front and say
42:09
I'm a your wrench a book reader as well.
42:11
They need hate really. Well what are they waiting for?
42:14
I get it, it's the cancel culture, which goes right back
42:16
to what I was saying, is that the world as it is today, wants
42:19
to distance, there are people who hate Christians.
42:22
There are people who hate Christianity, it's hard to
42:25
believe in my mind, it's a war, right?
42:27
It's spiritual more. Like I said, at the beginning,
42:29
it's a spiritual war to exactly eliminate Christianity.
42:34
And I won't go into depth today about that.
42:38
But what you're saying is true and it's much deeper than people
42:42
like to think but At the same time I like to reassure myself
42:47
and people Godwin's. So and Jesus wins because like
42:52
Jesus said the Son and the father are one.
42:55
Okay. So they win.
42:57
And it also depends Jim on the way to present the rentable.
43:02
First and foremost, I would say whoever does that has to live
43:06
the teachings of Jesus to live to be a living example.
43:11
You don't push the urine to book on people.
43:14
You can actually have a negative reaction and people will put on
43:17
the on their shelf and four years won't even touch it.
43:21
And so you approach the Rancher book, you must read it with your
43:25
heart and mind, not just with your intellect.
43:28
You need first and foremost to connect at the soul level in
43:32
your heart and soul as the expression says.
43:35
And when you are open to receive and at any time, God gave each
43:41
human being Free Will at Anytime, if someone is not
43:45
pleased, they can say, okay, I'm closing it without having to
43:49
swear and throw it by the wall, just say no.
43:52
Okay, I've had enough, I just close it but it's in the way to
43:57
present the Revelation. This is too important to
44:01
high-quality. It's like if I give you a
44:03
Rolls-Royce or you going to miss handle it and treat it like it's
44:08
a fiasco. No, it's a Rolls-Royce.
44:11
You have to handle it. It's TD wrench, a book is like
44:16
that. And so if you present it
44:19
correctly to people and it first and foremost, you are in love
44:24
with God, With Jesus, with the Revelation just like, people are
44:29
in love. Why do Christian do so well with
44:33
the Bible? Because when I listened to them
44:35
and I follow them, there's one in particular that crosses my
44:39
mind. She is so in love with Jesus.
44:42
That she's an extraordinary. Denari preacher in.
44:45
God bless her soul, what she says is phenomenal, but she's a
44:49
Bible reader, she's a lover and all that.
44:52
Can you imagine if she discovered the Rancher book, The
44:55
plus that it does? It's not a - it's like you, you
45:00
climb a new level and you go like all that I knew.
45:04
Plus the new knowledge it will happen.
45:07
It's not a question of if it's only a question of when.
45:11
I personally believe that the hour is coming For the Rancho
45:15
Revolution to make a new birth in the minds of many, many, many
45:22
Bible readers around the world and other people as well.
45:26
And for people to embrace it and see that it is a divine
45:29
revelation. Let's also I gotta just a few
45:32
more minutes. Talk to me about the different
45:35
groups. There, you've got the
45:37
foundation, the association the fellowship.
45:39
You have different groups are we duplicitous in Our efforts, are
45:44
we all pushing the boulder? How do you view, what is the
45:47
role of each of these groups in your mind?
45:49
Because I know that you're in, you have been involved in all of
45:52
them. And I think a lot of people rent
45:54
or foundation and all wrench on talking about the main goal the
45:58
main vision of each one in this again.
46:00
I see the Trinity I've already mentioned Square circles.
46:04
People gain a lot by going to visit Square circles because
46:07
there's so much information and then you have the three major
46:12
organizations first and Most like a trinity of the top, is
46:16
the ranch of foundation. Why?
46:18
Because the ranch of foundation oversees, the translation of the
46:23
ranch a book worldwide. It's already in many languages.
46:27
I think now, there are 20 and all this to say that very soon.
46:33
The translations that are it's even done in Hebrew.
46:36
It's done in, I won't name all the languages, but it's going to
46:40
be enough to help. Percent of the world's
46:45
population to be able to access the Rancher book and all this.
46:50
Now the second one and they have other functions.
46:55
But I'm talking about the main one and then you have you AI,
46:59
the ranch Association International and what I like
47:03
about you AI. Is that the focus?
47:05
Very, very much on studying they have the study groups,
47:10
worldwide, you go online and if you're traveling, if you To go
47:14
to Europe tomorrow for a week or two and you want to continue to
47:18
go to a study group and meet people and readers and and make
47:21
new friends and discover new faces, you know?
47:25
And all this you go online and there's a worldwide.
47:30
How do we say okay? Yes, exactly.
47:34
And you look I'm in France. Okay.
47:36
I want to see and you see all the listing of the study groups
47:40
and you call them and you say what?
47:42
I'd be welcome to join your group.
47:43
This week and next week because I'm visiting from from America.
47:47
Yeah come over and vice versa and so they do that and they
47:52
also offer they have great great, great knowledgeable,
47:57
readers who are giving courses now with zoom.
48:01
It's wonderful, you save a lot of money, you don't need to
48:04
travel, you don't need to pay for this and that you sit at
48:07
home and you connect with readers from around the world
48:11
with teachers that are experts in.
48:14
In the knowledge and the understanding of the Revelation.
48:17
And then the third one is the Urantia book fellowship, and
48:22
like the word, says Fellowship. So, the fellowship is very much
48:26
engaged into international events, like the parliament of
48:30
world religions in 93, like doing and they even did the one
48:36
in Africa and all that. We just finished a few weeks
48:38
ago, two or three weeks ago. This beautiful conference.
48:44
International Conference in Chicago where we had the old by
48:48
the way. Yeah let me say this.
48:51
They had the conference. The the theme was on Mel, kids a
48:56
deck. Yes at one of the trips that are
48:58
organized for Urantia book readers to the Holy Land.
49:03
Jewish people more and more people are interested in male
49:07
kids. A deck.
49:08
Okay? And I remembered when I had my
49:11
group with me and I had beautiful Hackers made by Rick
49:15
Lyon, and Susan of Melchizedek with the menorah and the Urantia
49:19
book and the three concentric circles.
49:22
And I the guide that I had hired, who is a sum, in guide in
49:30
Israel, he looked at us and said, Mac, is it that market
49:33
today? What do you know about Mel?
49:35
Good to take that? We don't know.
49:37
And then I looked in the Bible and in the Old Testament, the
49:41
named Melchizedek is Mentioned two times twice, that's it, huh?
49:47
Just two times in the New Testament and that comes from
49:53
King James version. I bet it's not me, making it up
49:57
scientific research and in the New Testament, it's mentioned
50:02
nine times for total of 11 times.
50:06
Now, in the ranch a book, there's even papers papers about
50:11
now because the deck to the Wayne that Melchizedek the named
50:16
Melchizedek is mentioned three hundred and twenty three times.
50:21
That is that it's more than 30 times and then addition to that
50:25
and you'll probably will say it but there are also papers that
50:28
are written by melchizedek's, that's amazing, you're getting
50:32
paper 92, I think of them they are teachers they are the
50:38
highest almost the highest level of teacher that you could find
50:42
in the universe and they Are writing papers for us to read
50:46
that that could blow any, if you're a Mormon, I don't know if
50:49
you happen to know, but in the Book of Mormon Melchizedek is
50:52
also a very central figure. And so imagine you know they
50:58
said you know in Hebrews 7 17 it says you know they just hit very
51:05
quickly and it is yet far more evident for that after the
51:09
similitude of Melchizedek there arises another.
51:14
Reef, who is made? Not after the law of a carnal
51:17
commandment. But after the power of an
51:20
endless life, for he testify, if thou art a priest Forever After
51:27
the order of Melchizedek, and we heard that very often in many,
51:31
many places, many countries. And so in the Urantia book is
51:35
paper 93 dedicated to Melchizedek Nike Ventanas a
51:40
decade says, now because it act taught that at At some future
51:44
time. Another Son of God, we know
51:47
who's talking about, Jesus would come in the flesh as he had
51:51
come. Like he knocked his addict had
51:54
come but that he would be born of a woman and that is why
51:59
numerous leader teachers, held that Jesus was a priest Forever
52:05
After the order of Melchizedek. So it's beautiful.
52:08
You see the parallel and the Harmony One respects the other.
52:12
It's not one Littles the other, right?
52:15
It's one uplift the other and it's just like your two hands
52:20
when you cross them in the fingers, match, one inside the
52:23
other in the other and the other.
52:25
And so it is like that. It's a beautiful dance between
52:28
the Bible and the Urantia book. So it's it's like that, you
52:33
know, it's one thing for sure. They can only they can only know
52:39
better just the name Universe, we know that.
52:43
We the universe is Way Beyond just planet Earth.
52:48
Okay, named Urantia in the you in the Urantia book 2330 times
52:55
in the Bible zero really automate?
52:59
Yeah. That's a great.
53:00
Great nice tration. Yeah.
53:02
And again it's not belittling the Bible at all.
53:05
It's just no illustrating. The the expansion of the basic
53:11
premises that we get them judeo Christian And the growth that we
53:15
have done Jim because that was 2,000 years ago.
53:19
We do such gratitude to our forefathers to have to the
53:24
apostles to, to all the Moses to Abraham to everyone, to have to
53:30
have done such incredible work. That the Bible has been feeding
53:36
to a third of the planet for the past 2000 years.
53:40
Now, Humanities ready for a new phase.
53:43
As of growth and the Rancher book comes in and complements
53:48
the Bible and it's just a continuity.
53:52
And so it's not a competition and it's not to choose one
53:56
against the other, how about both, and give it a try and read
54:01
it. And most Unpretty, sure that if
54:04
people read it with their heart and soul, and mind as well being
54:09
inhabited of the thought, adjuster, they will have braces.
54:12
Yeah, a lot of people now, Because of things like Yelp, you
54:15
know, they'll go on and somebody will say, Hey, you know, like
54:18
though want to go read a review of a movie or they're buying a
54:21
refrigerator and they want to look at, you know, user reviews
54:25
or whatever they do that your auntie book, one of the worst
54:28
things you could do is go. And look what Google has to say
54:31
about it because it's going to it's going to send you in a lot
54:34
of different directions but it's not going to tell you anything
54:36
Wikipedia does a pretty good job I think but it can be changed
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easily. So but the best thing to do is
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just Download it. The big blue book.
54:45
I think it is on Apple, on iTunes, you can certainly
54:49
download the book the audio. There's so many different
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mediums that are available and people who are listening to this
54:54
podcast, probably are aware of that.
54:55
But just as a reminder, well Diane I think this might be a
54:58
good place for us to to conclude.
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Yeah, go ahead. Please.
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Would you allow me to give an explanation suggestion because I
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said earlier, people who want to read the para Moni, they can buy
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it on Amazon but if Want to go online for free, they can
55:16
actually go to your Rancher, a dash book that org and on the
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fellowship website, called Urantia Dash book dot-org.
55:27
They just have to look up at your Ranch a book and then para
55:30
Moni. And they will see the two links
55:33
of the bible papers and then of the ranch, a book, and compare
55:38
the two. And I'd like to finish by
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saying, when the wrench a book came out in 1955 the Vatican
55:46
received the copy, the Vatican receives, a copy of all the
55:49
books that are published. And I was told that priests who
55:54
wanted to read, they had to go read it, I won't say where.
55:58
But anyway, because it was not say where we're not gonna storm
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the vanity, we go, let's see, they would need to go to the
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bathroom for that charity. Except that they would come out
56:10
a long time after because it was very Creaking, but do you rent
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the Vatican, had the wrench, a book and I even have a book that
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I gave it a an interview that I showed visually, where the
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church admitted that Jesus was born at another time that
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Christmas time. But again, that's part of
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clarifying just like science is discovering stuff that we used
56:36
to believe in now. They say no, no, no.
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Now we got the proof. We saw it and we can clarify.
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And it's Snot to again, attack the path.
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We are growing beings, and our knowledge is growing.
56:50
And so the ranch a book was known at the Vatican since 1955
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and it's not a coincidence that we're doing this interview and I
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pray, God, that Bible readers will go and look it up and read
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it and just become in love with Jesus.
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Like, all of us are. Yeah, just there's nothing short
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of fantastic getting that experience.
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Of reading his life in full for the first time.
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And then you really begin to understand what the
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misconceptions are today about this man.
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And there are a lot of misconceptions to be sure.
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Diane. I thank you so much for being
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on. I'll have you again.
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And I, I I'm short of words, but I know you aren't.
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So again, thank you. Thank you.
57:37
Thank you. Have a good sense of humor and
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we'll talk again soon. Thank you, Diane labrecque
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joining us on the Iran charade. Podcast.