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MADDIE SOTO'S MOM FEARED 'WOODY ALLEN' SITUATION, MOM'S BF 'MADDIE STARTED IT' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace murdered Mattie Soto's mom says
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  Speaker 1: she feared a Woody Allen situation. Really, yet she continued
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  Speaker 1: to allow her than twelve year old little girl to
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  Speaker 1: sleep every.
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  Speaker 2: Night in the bed alone with mommy's boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: This as on secretly recorded Jill House calls, we hear
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  Speaker 1: mommy's boyfriend turned murder suspect state Mattie started it. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us.
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  Speaker 3: So you're saying, presumably her school competer was in her backpack, Well,
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  Speaker 3: I can confidently tell you she did not go to
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  Speaker 3: school with her backpack because we found in the terms.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's mom's living boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: Stephan Star Earns trying to describe explain why Mattie's backpack
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  Speaker 1: was found in the trash, talking about that she went
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  Speaker 1: into school the whole time. He knows why her backpack
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  Speaker 1: is in the trash, according to prosecutors, because he put
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  Speaker 1: it there trying to hide Evans. But in the most
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  Speaker 1: recent and bizarre turn of events, murdered Mattie Soto's mother.
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  Speaker 2: Led this think in who has gotten.
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  Speaker 1: Immunity, says she feared a Woody Allen type situation.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 4: I've always told him that my biggest fear is that
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  Speaker 4: this would turned into a Woody Allen situation where the
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  Speaker 4: stepdaughter followers, the Chad grooms the child, and the child
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  Speaker 4: in it turns eighteen bringing away with him. I told
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  Speaker 4: him that that was my biggest fear and I don't
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  Speaker 4: ever want that happening, Like, you can't do that to me.
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  Speaker 2: Like, so take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 5: So if we go back to twenty twenty, we're looking
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  Speaker 5: at a minimum of three and a half year, three
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  Speaker 5: and a half years where I'm sure you guys are
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  Speaker 5: sexually active. Yes, so for three and a half years
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  Speaker 5: out of your care and your house, not only is
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  Speaker 5: he being sexually active with you and having sexual relationship?
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  Speaker 2: Did you hear that? Crying? See in my mind?
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to Shannon Butler joining US investigative reporter to
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  Speaker 1: WFTV Channel nine in Florida where this happened. Shannon Butler,
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  Speaker 1: those little gulps should have happened when she first thought
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  Speaker 1: she had a quote Woody Allan situation between her living
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend Stephan Stearns and her little girl then twelve. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: Matty told everyone the moment she turned thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: She wanted to go live in the woods.
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  Speaker 1: G I wonder why, but I think those tears would
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  Speaker 1: have been more appropriate when she first had an inkling.
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  Speaker 1: There was a Woody Allen's situation her words, not mine, Shannon.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Early on in this investigation, when we first talked to
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  Speaker 7: investigators right after those interviews, just hours after those interviews,
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  Speaker 7: they had told us they had felt that she was
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  Speaker 7: much more upset over what was going on with Stephan
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  Speaker 7: Sterns than what was going on with Madeline Soto. I
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  Speaker 7: don't know if just hadn't sunk in yet that Madeline
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  Speaker 7: may be found dead at this point, but they felt
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  Speaker 7: that the tears and the anguish was much more about
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  Speaker 7: Stephan Sterns and what was going on there than about
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  Speaker 7: her daughter, and that always troubled those investigators early on
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  Speaker 7: in those interviews there. I mean, you can see by
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  Speaker 7: their behavior if you listen to this, they were agitated
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  Speaker 7: in this interview, trying to figure out how this possibly
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  Speaker 7: went awry, how she missed it. She said she knew
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  Speaker 7: nothing about it, but in that comment that she was
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  Speaker 7: worried about her daughter, in that Woody Allen right type situation.
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  Speaker 7: Obviously there was some kind of feeling you had right
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  Speaker 7: that something was amiss.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, Shannon, And you know what, Shannon Butler, guys joining
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  Speaker 1: me from WFTV Channel nine.
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  Speaker 2: You really hit the nail on the head. I want
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  Speaker 2: to hear this.
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  Speaker 1: One more time because all she's talking about is me, me.
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  Speaker 2: Me, me, me, me, me, me, me me me, nothing
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  Speaker 2: about Maddie. Woman. Maddie is dead.
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  Speaker 1: The state says your living boyfriend murdered her before she
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  Speaker 1: could reveal you were raping her practically on a nightly basis,
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  Speaker 1: alone in bed.
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  Speaker 2: While mommy got a good night sleep in another room.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to this. You're dead on, Shannon Butler.
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  Speaker 4: I've always told him that my biggest fear is that
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  Speaker 4: this would turned into a Woody Allen situation where the
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  Speaker 4: stepdaughter followers, the dad, grooms the child and the child
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  Speaker 4: and it turns eighteen bringing away with him. I told
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  Speaker 4: him that that was my biggest fear, and I don't
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  Speaker 4: ever want that happening.
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  Speaker 7: Like, you can't do that to me.
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  Speaker 1: Like you can't do that to me. Okay, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: let's analyze this. She but worries onto something.
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  Speaker 2: You have to dissect what she's saying, listen to this.
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  Speaker 1: She says, I've always told him, Stephan Stearns, the alleged
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  Speaker 1: killer and child rapist, her boyfriend, I've always told him
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  Speaker 1: my fear is to turn into a Woody Allen situation
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  Speaker 1: where the stepdaughter is she talking about her natural born daughter,
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  Speaker 1: where the stepdaughter, the dad grooms the child, and then
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  Speaker 1: the child turns eighteen after going through years of rapes,
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  Speaker 1: which Maddie did, years of rapes, the child turns eighteen
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  Speaker 1: and runs away with him, Like what, the child's getting
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  Speaker 1: the big prize here in this scenario.
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  Speaker 2: She runs away with him, And I told him.
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  Speaker 1: That's my biggest fear, that her daughter would run away
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  Speaker 1: with Stefan Stearn's a deadbeat, slung up in his girlfriend's home,
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  Speaker 1: alternating between his mom's basement.
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  Speaker 2: Don't ever, you can't do that to me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh okay, there's so many directions to go right here.
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  Speaker 1: Robin Drake is joining me, Guys. Robin Draeke, behavior expert,
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  Speaker 1: former FBI Special Agent Chief let This sink In, chief
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  Speaker 1: of the FBI counter Intelligence Behavioral Analysis Program and author
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  Speaker 1: of Sizing People Up, a veteran agent's manual for behavior prediction. Robin, Drake,
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  Speaker 1: all mom cares about is Matti Soto now dead at
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  Speaker 1: that time, a little twelve year old girl. She might
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  Speaker 1: run away with the big catch, the BBD, the.
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  Speaker 2: Bigger better deal. She might run off with Stepan Stearns
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  Speaker 2: and have them all to herself. Have I lost my mind?
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  Speaker 2: That's what she's saying, Drake, I know.
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  Speaker 8: No, I even wrote it on the sticky here.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, he is so calm, I know, because there's
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  Speaker 9: so many data points that are so predictable in this.
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  Speaker 8: Everything she's been saying the.
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  Speaker 9: Entire time is her her, like you said, like Shannon said,
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  Speaker 9: you know, and that's what the investigators picked up on
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  Speaker 9: right away, and that is they saw deviations from what
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  Speaker 9: normal people that are missing their daughters normally react like.
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  Speaker 9: And she spiked way out of the norm on that.
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  Speaker 9: And there's so much leakage throughout this and even you know,
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  Speaker 9: I know we're not haven't talked about it yet, but
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  Speaker 9: even his parents, I mean, everyone is seeing patterns of
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  Speaker 9: behavior that are deviating from what normal, healthy people do
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  Speaker 9: and they're all signals that say and there's a lot
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  Speaker 9: of unhealthy crazy going on here.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now you know what Robin Drake, no offense, but.
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  Speaker 1: The FBI special Agent chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program,
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  Speaker 1: I can say there's a whole lot of crazy going on.
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  Speaker 2: I know that much. I'm just a lawyer. Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 2: expecting a little bit more from you.
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  Speaker 1: The mom suspected this a long time before Maddie was murdered.
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  Speaker 1: Before Maddie was raped as a little girl over and
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  Speaker 1: over and over and over with this PERV.
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  Speaker 2: According to the state, presumed innocent, with.
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  Speaker 1: This PERV taking literally thousands and thousands of pictures of
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  Speaker 1: him raping and sodomizing a little girl.
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  Speaker 2: And it went back for years.
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  Speaker 1: As I recall, if I'm wrong, Shannon jump In at
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  Speaker 1: the time she was.
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  Speaker 2: Nine years old, nine years.
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  Speaker 1: Old, sodomizing her and taking videos of it.
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  Speaker 8: Drake, Yeah, this is what evil looks like.
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  Speaker 9: I'm just hoping that at some point they're uncovering a
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  Speaker 9: mass of network that they're going to save other children
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  Speaker 9: from this, because I seriously doubt, because of this pattern behavior,
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  Speaker 9: that this was history.
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  Speaker 1: Can we just save the whole squeeze lemons into lemonade thing,
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  Speaker 1: that this has a silver lining and it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be because because let me.
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  Speaker 2: Tell you, something great. I do think there's going to.
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  Speaker 9: I think we're going to get other people, though, I
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  Speaker 9: see the only thing when.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about a Woody Allen situation.
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  Speaker 2: Unless you've been living in a cave.
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  Speaker 10: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: I want to.
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  Speaker 2: Explain what Mattie's mom is talking about.
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  Speaker 9: Listen, Woody Allen, Mia Pharaoh, that's the ideal power couple.
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  Speaker 2: And he gave her everything she could possibly want. I
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  Speaker 2: was over the moon happy. But that's the great regret
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  Speaker 2: of my life. I wish i'd never met him.
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  Speaker 6: Allan good eyes child abuse, but Prey admits he's in
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  Speaker 6: love with another of Pharaoh's daughters, twenty one year old assumed.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty one Now, okay, right at the time, that's where
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  Speaker 1: our friend's over at HBO. It's Alan v Pharaoh. Uh
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  Speaker 1: was the name of the special at HBO.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you know what.
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  Speaker 1: I just got to get my head around this. Mia
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  Speaker 1: Pharaoh says she had no idea that anything inappropriate or
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  Speaker 1: illegal may have been going on, and I have spoken
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  Speaker 1: with family members, and I believe me a pharaoh. But
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  Speaker 1: she gets a very rude awakening, according to her, when
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  Speaker 1: she comes home and finds a stack of X rated
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  Speaker 1: polaroid pictures of her daughter.
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  Speaker 10: Sunny.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, there was a stack of polaroid pictures. All of
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  Speaker 2: them were of my own child. I remember struggling to breathe.
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  Speaker 1: That is mea pharaoh speaking to our friends at HBO
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  Speaker 1: and Alan v Pharaoh Okay, struggled to breathe, joining me,
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  Speaker 1: Anna Sonoda, joining us child sex abuse grooming expert, clinical
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  Speaker 1: social worker and author of Duck Duck Groom, and I
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. You know what, Anna,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just a.
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  Speaker 2: Trial lawyer, and I tried a lot, a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even count how many cases I've either tried
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  Speaker 1: or investigated and brought to a guilty plea chamla stations
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  Speaker 1: where the.
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  Speaker 2: Mother knew full well what was going on.
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  Speaker 1: She either knew outright or she put on blinders and
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to see.
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe that about Mia Pharaoh.
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  Speaker 1: I believe Mia Pharaoh really did come home and find
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  Speaker 1: these polaroid photos, because when she says I remember I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't breathe, it hit her like a train. Unlike the
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  Speaker 1: case here where Maddie Soto's mother way back said I
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  Speaker 1: feared a.
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  Speaker 2: Woody Allen type situation.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I had so many moms I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to give them a finger necklace because they
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  Speaker 1: would go along with it or choose not to say
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  Speaker 1: that their child is being raped and sodomized.
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  Speaker 10: Nancy, this is gruesome.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 10: Even the fact that we have to have this conversation
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  Speaker 10: is an alert, big red flag for anybody who's currently dating,
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  Speaker 10: has anybody coming in and out of their lives when
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  Speaker 10: they have children in the house. You know, predators go
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  Speaker 10: out of their way to be selective and intentional with
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  Speaker 10: who they choose to date, and women who are raising
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  Speaker 10: minor children are a perfect choice for a potential predator. Here,
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  Speaker 10: in this case, we have child maltreatment at a minimum,
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  Speaker 10: because child sexual abuse is not random and it's not sudden.
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  Speaker 10: This was a reoccurring situation, chronic situation for poor Mattie
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  Speaker 10: that she had to endure because no one was protecting her.
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  Speaker 11: When you guys show me the future of her, I
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  Speaker 11: believe the sexual stuff, but I didn't want to believe
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  Speaker 11: that he had done anything equal to her. I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 11: if she what if he did this? Stop buying? But
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  Speaker 11: what if she's still missing out there? What if somebody
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  Speaker 11: took her? I still wanted to believe his I believed him.
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  Speaker 11: I believed his whole story. So I was just like,
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  Speaker 11: I kept repeating that part. I'm just like, what did
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  Speaker 11: she take?
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  Speaker 7: I dropped off?
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  Speaker 11: What if she got abductive?
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  Speaker 2: What if she's missing? What is this woman on about?
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  Speaker 2: What is she saying?
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  Speaker 1: After you showed me the images of my living boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: Stephan Stearns raping and sodomizing my twelve year old, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to think he did anything evil to her?
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  Speaker 2: What okay?
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  Speaker 12: That said?
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  Speaker 1: Let's move forward with what we're learning now. Mom long
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  Speaker 1: fear in a Woody Allen type situation, but did nothing
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  Speaker 1: about it. I want you to see new video that
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  Speaker 1: we have obtained of the defendant, Stephan Stearns, acting out
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  Speaker 1: how Mattie was asleep in his car, Shannon Butler joining
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  Speaker 1: me WFTV. Mattie wasn't asleep, she.
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  Speaker 2: Was dead, propped up in his car and buckled in.
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  Speaker 7: Buckled in yes, assumingly. He wanted to do that because
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  Speaker 7: he drove out of the condo complex right on the
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  Speaker 7: way to school, so that would work with his story
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  Speaker 7: that I took her to school that day. So if
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  Speaker 7: there were cameras or any of the neighbors had seen him.
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  Speaker 7: They could be like, oh, I saw him, she was
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  Speaker 7: in the front seat and they were driving out of
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  Speaker 7: the complex to match his story. But investigators knew right
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  Speaker 7: away from looking at that video, they knew Madeleinsoto at
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  Speaker 7: that moment was not alive. That is why they came
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  Speaker 7: out so early and could say that they believed that
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  Speaker 7: she was already dead before she left the apartment complex
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  Speaker 7: because that video to them was very very clear that
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  Speaker 7: she was not moving in that front seat.
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  Speaker 1: So doctor Eric Ethon joining me more certified forensic pathologist
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  Speaker 1: and consultant doctor Esen, I guess he buckled Maddie's dead
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  Speaker 1: body in because he didn't want to get pulled over
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  Speaker 1: on a seat belt violation. The reality is, doctor Esen,
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  Speaker 1: is that at that time rigor had likely not set in,
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  Speaker 1: so her body would have still been limp, so he
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  Speaker 1: had to buckle her in or should fall over.
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  Speaker 6: Correct.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, the body still would have been limp, and she
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  Speaker 12: STI would have been warm as well, because it takes
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  Speaker 12: time after death to occur for the rigor to set
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  Speaker 12: in and for the body to cool or rather assume
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  Speaker 12: the surrounding environmental temperature, and then there's also lividity that
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  Speaker 12: would take a while to set in, that settling of
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  Speaker 12: the blood after death.
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  Speaker 1: Old on Nelly, Wait a minute, slow down, man. I
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  Speaker 1: know this is a regular talk for you Emmy's they're
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  Speaker 1: in the medical examiner's lounge. But slow down for all
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  Speaker 1: of us novices, Okay. Rigor is when the body stiffens up,
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  Speaker 1: that there's a live or mortis where the blood settles
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  Speaker 1: down to the lowest point of your body, like if
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  Speaker 1: you're on your back, all the blood in your body
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  Speaker 1: goes to your back and your end and the back
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  Speaker 1: of your legs. So explain to me why he had
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  Speaker 1: to buckle her up because rigor had not yet set
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  Speaker 1: in in regular people talk.
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  Speaker 12: Please, Well, she hadn't gotten stiff yet, so she was
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  Speaker 12: not gonna be able to just sit there in the
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  Speaker 12: car seat without flopping over, and so it had to
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  Speaker 12: be buckled in.
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  Speaker 1: What exactly is rigor and does it set in and
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  Speaker 1: then dissolve over a period of hours or do you
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  Speaker 1: stay in rigor?
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  Speaker 12: No, it's muscle stiffness, So the muscles don't contract, they
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  Speaker 12: just become stiff due to the body depleting this chemical
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  Speaker 12: known as ATP. But trying to keep it simple. The
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  Speaker 12: body becomes stiff, and then over time you'll reach a
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  Speaker 12: full stiffness, full rigor, and then it'll slowly go away.
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  Speaker 12: It all takes. It depends on how you die and
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  Speaker 12: the surrounding an environmental temperature. But it comes on, then
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  Speaker 12: it goes away, Doctor eric Ason.
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  Speaker 1: Every once in a while, while I'm analyzing a case
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  Speaker 1: or I'm investigating a case, and I'm running down the
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  Speaker 1: rabbit hole, sometimes it's easy to forget. We're talking about
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  Speaker 1: a little girl that just turned thirteen, that had been
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  Speaker 1: living in hell for years, since she was at least nine,
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  Speaker 1: And we figure that out because of how far back
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  Speaker 1: the video and photo images on his phone go. He,
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  Speaker 1: according to the state, had been raping and sodomizing this
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  Speaker 1: little girl and taking videos of it.
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  Speaker 2: In mommy home for years.
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  Speaker 1: And you and I are talking about rigor and why
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  Speaker 1: he had to buckle her in and what is life
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  Speaker 1: and mortis and what is rigor? Morris and I have
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  Speaker 1: to think about my little girl and my little boy
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  Speaker 1: at age twelve. It's easy to forget that or do
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  Speaker 1: we just want to forget about it when we're trying
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  Speaker 1: to analyze, because it's hard to focus on probative issues
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  Speaker 1: and forensics when you're thinking about your own child.
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  Speaker 12: Correct exactly. I mean that her she was going through
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  Speaker 12: hell leading up to the death, and then we haven't
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  Speaker 12: even talked about the actual cause of death itself. So
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  Speaker 12: you know, she was strangled, which is a very violent
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  Speaker 12: way to be killed, especially if you're a twelve year
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  Speaker 12: old by another man.
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  Speaker 1: So a grown man, mommy's boyfriend that has been molesting
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  Speaker 1: you for years. Okay, guys, I steered us off course,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to you to see what I saw,
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  Speaker 1: and I couldn't verbalize why I was so aghast when
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  Speaker 1: I saw it, But you'll understand.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say any thinks she was just a sleeper,
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  Speaker 3: she's just reclient in the chair of sleeping. Okay, explain
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  Speaker 3: to me like reclaiming backwards. Yes, thank you, laying back.
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  Speaker 12: In the chaff.
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Two.
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  Speaker 1: Renowned and veteran trial lawyer Philip Dubay joining us LA
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  Speaker 1: County Public Defender's Office, which means he's tried a lot
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  Speaker 1: of cases. They can't even say no, this case disgusts me.
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  Speaker 1: The judge says, you're on it. You're the public defender
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  Speaker 1: have fun with that.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: So I guess, h Philip, I'd like you to.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Look one more time at mom's live in a boyfriend
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: acting out how little Maddie Soto just turned thirteen. I
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: just dozed off in the front seat of his car
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: on the way to school one morning.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: She was sleepy.
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: Watch it's gonna say you think she was just a sleeper.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: She was just her client in the chair sleeping, Okay,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: explain to me like reclining backwards, yes, thank you, laying
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: back in.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: The shar Do you see him leaning his head back
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: like he'sozing.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I guess, Philip, debate.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: That's why you tell all your clients not to speak
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: to LA law enforcement.
• 20:42
  Speaker 13: Of course, and they never listen, and that's why we
• 20:44
  Speaker 13: all have a job in this system. But I will
• 20:46
  Speaker 13: say this, to be fair, a lot of kids at
• 20:49
  Speaker 13: that age you have to get up at six six
• 20:51
  Speaker 13: thirty are tired. They're sitting in the car, They've maybe
• 20:54
  Speaker 13: just had a little bit of breakfast, they are fatigued themselves.
• 20:57
  Speaker 13: They're not exactly like the energized bun looking forward to
• 21:01
  Speaker 13: going into a car.
• 21:02
  Speaker 14: Do you say, are you saying she maybe was a
• 21:04
  Speaker 14: sleep How does that How in this world does that
• 21:09
  Speaker 14: have anything to do with Mattie, rape, sodomized and dead
• 21:12
  Speaker 14: by strangulation, and you're talking about some other child might
• 21:17
  Speaker 14: be a little sleepy in the morning.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: What because they had to get up at six thirty.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: That has nothing to do with Maddie. She's dead. She
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: was dead in that photo.
• 21:25
  Speaker 13: Where's the proof of that beyond a reasonable doubt? So far,
• 21:29
  Speaker 13: the evidence is the kid was in the front seat,
• 21:32
  Speaker 13: was tired, leaned her head back, and that's it. I
• 21:35
  Speaker 13: have not heard one shred of forensic evidence that this
• 21:39
  Speaker 13: child was in fact clinically dead in the front seat
• 21:43
  Speaker 13: of that car. All we know is that she was
• 21:46
  Speaker 13: there and may have dozed off. That's it.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, Shannon Butler, can you please help me throw me
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: a bone? I need life raft Actually, Shannon joining us WFTV,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: explain to Debay how you and I know she was dead.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: According to the state in that car buckled and so
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: she wouldn't fall over.
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: So investigators were very certain when they looked at that
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: video of the car driving out of that complex, they
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: could tell just from the video that Madeleine Soda was
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: already dead. Now, the timeline of when she was killed.
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: That is still a mystery. They don't know what happened
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: inside the house, but they know what she was buckled
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: into the front seat of that car, that she was
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: already dead. They knew it by looking at it. There
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: was no doubt in their minds. They came out very
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: very early and said that Madeline Soda was no longer
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: a live They could tell, they said, because she looked
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: limp and was slumped over in the seat. It didn't
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: look like she was sleeping to that.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: You know what, I've got a very strong feeling that
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Debay is not going to buy that because investigators said so.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Dodger Erry Ason, she Maddie never made it to middle
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: school that morning at Hunter's Creek Middle School.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: She never got there.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, the last time she was seen she was in
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that car with Stephan Stearns. Her mother did not speak
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to her as normal that morning before she went to school.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: The mother did not.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Hear her voice to know she was alive that morning
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: before she went to school.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: She didn't make it to school. So we know.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: That indicates anyway, very strongly, circumstantially, that she was dead
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: before that. We know, based on eye witnesses that shortly
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: after she was seen in the car with Sterns. Her
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: body was dumped. He was spotted at the location where
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: her body was dumped, going into the woods. Her body
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: was dumped shortly after that picture. Now, isn't it true,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: doctor Ason, that a medical examiner can typically place a
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: time of death? Isn't that true?
• 24:14
  Speaker 12: We can come up with a pretty good range, and
• 24:16
  Speaker 12: so you base it on when they were last known
• 24:18
  Speaker 12: alive and then when they were found dead, and you
• 24:21
  Speaker 12: put a bunch of the pieces together, and then you
• 24:22
  Speaker 12: combine that with some of the postpartum changes that would
• 24:26
  Speaker 12: have occurred, and so we're usually able to narrow it
• 24:29
  Speaker 12: down within a pretty good range for the most part.
• 24:31
  Speaker 11: Yes, I believe the actual stuff, but I didn't want
• 24:36
  Speaker 11: to believe that he had done any.
• 24:37
  Speaker 15: Able to her.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: But that was me assuming that you guys have the
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: wrong guy.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I wanted to believe you had the wrong guy, even
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: after seeing those horrific sex attack images of Stephan Starn's
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: allegedly attacking her little girl. For years, he kept all
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: those videos, which is a whole other can of worms.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: To doctor Jory Krausen, joining US Psychologists Faculty, Saint Leo
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: University and author Operation Soos, doctor Jory Craws, And why
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: do perps want to save their rape videos?
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: That's a great question. It's because of fantasy. Okay. To
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: really understand a sexual offender, you've got to get into
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: their fantasy world and they want to relive that. That's
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: the whole key, the whole drive of the sexual offender.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: You notice on the report they talked about the pictures
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: were still like she was sleeping. Several of them identified
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: him with her where her eyes were closed as sleeping.
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: There's also a report where one of his previous girlfriend's
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: reports that in order to get an erection, she had
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: a play like she was dead. Okay, So those are
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: two connecting behavioral patterns that are very magnificant and tie
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: into his fantasy world.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Uh you know what, doctor Crawsin, I never said this
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to you, but you're kind of creeping me out, and
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I thought i'd seen it all. I'm going to move
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: on from that at his completely accurate Doctor Jory Crawsin.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Not only is Mama on record claiming she feared a
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Woody Allen situation between Stephan Stearns and her little girl.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: But yet did nothing about it.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: And we have Stephan Stearns acting out how Maddie was
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: asleep in the front of his car buckled in. There
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: are photos and videos taken of Stephan Stern's Listen.
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: He go ahead and turn around saying the wall, put
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: your hands behind your back, put together on your praying
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: just like that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Going to spread your feet for me. Did you get
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: a really good picture of this right here the school area?
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: See right there?
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: They are trying to get photos of his hands, his wrists,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: his arm below the elbow. I wonder if there were
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: scratches or bruises there where Maddy tried to fight back.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: You know, I want to look at that video from
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: beginning to end.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: One more time.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: If you don't mind control room, let's just start it
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: at the get go. Okay, take a look at this guy,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Stephan Stearns. Look at him now. Think about a little
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: nine year old girl seeing this coming into the bedroom
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: every night, and what could she.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Do Anna Sonoda.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: She couldn't call out to mommy because in her mind
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that wouldn't do any good because mommy loves.
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: Her rapist Nancy and had to pay the ultimate price
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: for Jennifer to continue our relationship with an evil predator.
• 28:05
  Speaker 10: In the form of Stefan. We know that grooming was
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: taking place. We know that the highest risk environment for
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: a child is their home where they live. And again
• 28:16
  Speaker 10: and again, Jennifer opened the door to this predator, allowing
• 28:21
  Speaker 10: him to come in. And where were the mandated observers
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: in this situation. You know, children are sitting ducks. They
• 28:29
  Speaker 10: need our protection at all times, and unfortunately, predators get
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: to run on gas, grooming, access in space. Stefan had
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: all three in this case, and it led to a
• 28:40
  Speaker 10: devastating tragedy on all fronts.
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: I've never seen any sign. I tried watching her like
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: a hog.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: I thought I was doing a good job, but it wasn't.
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: I was oblivious to every four years.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to believe her, but yet I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: know that in the last hours we find out that
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: prior to watching her like a hawk, mom Jennifer Soto
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: feared a Woody Allen type situation between her little girl
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and her living boyfriend Stefan Sterns.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, there's more.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Stephan Sterns actually blames the state for inflating his charges,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: artificially inflating his charges. Mattie's dead, She's been raped and
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: sodomized for years, So I don't think those charges need inflating.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Mister Sterns, listen to this.
• 29:47
  Speaker 15: Were you expecting these charges? The burger charge? Oh well
• 29:55
  Speaker 15: you get motly so you got blindsided by that?
• 29:58
  Speaker 16: Yeah, obviously you know it's not true. You know I
• 30:02
  Speaker 16: never would have wanted her and read him, so you
• 30:05
  Speaker 16: know he meditated first degree is kind of clients.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: These recorded phone calls. I don't know how in this
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: day and age you cannot know your jail calls are
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: being recorded. That said, take a look at what Stephan
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Stearn's is actually saying straight out to Robin and Drake
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: joining Us, former FBI Chief of FBI counter Intelligence Behavioral
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Analysis Program, author of a lot of books. Robin, do
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you hear what he's saying in that first bit of sound?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: And this is him talking to his mom and dad
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: and let me tell you, I'm going to play some more.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And dad, who I think was former l E law
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: enforcement man, he can smell some serious hot steam and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: BS he's talking to his son, who's like, what but here?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Just just kick it off. Stephan starn says, I don't
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: know what the plan is. Are they just trying to
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: scare me depleting down. Oh no, Sterns, that ain't gonna happen.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: You're not bleating down? What involuntary manslaughter or fat chance?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: They're trying to scare me and trying to hurt me
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: as much as possible. Maddie was left dead right sodomized,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: her stuff on in a dumpster, her body found, and
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: he's saying, they're just trying to hurt me as much
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: as possible.
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: Response isn't as completely shocking and important about how there's
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: so little regard for the dead little girl by both.
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: Him and her mom.
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: And like you just pointed out, it's really really striking
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: to me about how the parents seem to be kind
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: of just knowledgeable in some way. You know, it's not
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: like a shocks them. And can you imagine any one
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: of your beautiful little children being accused of something like this,
• 32:00
  Speaker 9: You know, the shock that disbelief, because if you are
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: used to seeing and having a healthy relationship with your
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: child and something like this happens, it's a huge shock
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: to your system. But this doesn't send me much of
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: a shock to them. There's a lot of leakage for
• 32:13
  Speaker 9: a lot of years that they didn't like the behaviors
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: they were seeing and you're hearing it come out in
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: this conversation right here, and then his self centered focus
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: is just on full display.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Shannon Butler are joining me.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Investigative reporter WFTV Channel nine, Florida. Shannon is Stefan Stearn's dad,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: former law enforcement.
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: He knew you could tell in those calls. He knew exactly, Oh.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good, that's what I was just gonna say.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I know he roomed over all these calls, and you
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: can tell him he's like, who smelling ma, I mean,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: he could smell it a mile away.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: How are Sterns' parents reacting to all of.
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: This, Well, the dad had questions very early on, because
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: the parents actually came up when Madeleine Soda was missing
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: to try to help locate her. They came out, came
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: up right after, you know, he told them, Hey, Madeline's missing.
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: And the dad was always a little bit suspicious of
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: what was happening because Stearns, remember, left in the middle
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: of the night, was driving around and you can tell
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: just kind of the matter of factness on those calls,
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: but you can also hear a little bit of that
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: anguish as they let it set in that. Hey, by
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: the way, by the time you get out of jail,
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: we'll all be gone and there will be no one here.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Given what Shannon Butler has just told us, I want
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: you to hear what we're talking about. The dad asking
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: how did this whole thing come about, and Stefan Stearns
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: essentially says she started it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 15: Listen, you know you and actually have a conversation.
• 34:04
  Speaker 17: All of us could have a conversation to understand what's
• 34:09
  Speaker 17: taking place, how this came about.
• 34:12
  Speaker 15: How you were right here, because it would help us, help.
• 34:16
  Speaker 17: Us better understand the situation, because we're just ratter lost
• 34:22
  Speaker 17: for understanding.
• 34:26
  Speaker 15: How all this came about. I mean, we're just totally
• 34:28
  Speaker 15: totally baffled.
• 34:30
  Speaker 16: It started.
• 34:33
  Speaker 15: You didn't start it, but you participated in it, which
• 34:36
  Speaker 15: is just that that is not starting at.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: The reminder to all, jen Jennifer Soto, Maddie's mother, has
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: not been charged, has not been named a POI, person
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: of interest or suspect in this case. As a matter
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: of fact, in their wisdom, she has been granted a
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: type of immunity, so based on many of the things
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: she told investigators, she cannot be prosecuted for those things.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: It's a limited use immunity. Jen Soto not a suspect.
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: A woman got on a YouTube thing and said that
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: you weren't even at the party.
• 35:21
  Speaker 15: Pardon yeah, her birthday party.
• 35:25
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I hadn't gotten there yet. I went up there
• 35:26
  Speaker 16: a Sunday evening and got there after she was done
• 35:30
  Speaker 16: at her party.
• 35:31
  Speaker 15: Oh okay, okay, and I was.
• 35:34
  Speaker 16: We were very happy that I was there with the
• 35:36
  Speaker 16: very happy the history of us were together and was
• 35:38
  Speaker 16: shaping up to be a great week and a great visit.
• 35:41
  Speaker 16: You know, there was no weak was craything to happen
• 35:44
  Speaker 16: that happened.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: There was no reason for anything to happen that happened.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Again, just like we heard Anna Sonoda claiming, and I'm
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: going to need a shrink on this, It's like that
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: didn't have to happen.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Well, according to the state, you did it. That's why
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: it happened.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: She didn't just suddenly fall over dead after having been
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: raped and sodomized.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: This little girl, Maddie so too. It didn't just happen.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Shannon Butler with me investigative reporter WFTV Channel nine.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Shannon tell me the time frame from her birthday to
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: her murder.
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: The birthday was on that Sunday night, she got dropped
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: off back at the house, and that's when also came
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: to the house.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know why, doctor Jory Crawsen, as
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: many times as I've combed over this case, I didn't
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: put that significant fact together. The night of her thirteenth
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the birthday party, she was killed.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: There could be a couple of reasons for that. Pedophiles
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: have age specific victims, and when they start to age out,
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: they start to move on. Okay, he really couldn't move
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: on with this because she now becomes a liability. One
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: of the other things already mentioned.
• 36:56
  Speaker 15: Was she started it.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: That's part of the fantasy that he was living, that
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: this child came on to him sexually. I would lose
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: count how many times I've heard penophiles tell me that
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: during clinical assessments. That's part of that fantasy they build.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: You know, to Phillip Debate joining us, you just heard
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Stefan Stern saying, quote, there's no reason for anything to
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: happen that happened. I know you're not going to comment
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: on any of your cases, but have you noticed because
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I have.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Defendants, perps suspects.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Try to blame the crime on it just happened. Like,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: here's a good example. I had a guy break into
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: a woe's home.
• 37:44
  Speaker 12: She came home.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Not only did he kill her, he raped her first,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: and when asked why, he says, I don't know, my
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: little mate, you just got up as if he's blaming
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: his penis for the rape and murder, it's the penis's fault.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: And here we're hearing step On Stearn saying there's no
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: reason for anything to happen.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: That happened. It just happened.
• 38:07
  Speaker 13: Yeah, Unfortunately he doesn't know the elements of the crimes.
• 38:10
  Speaker 13: He seems to think that by being ignorant or trying
• 38:14
  Speaker 13: to attribute it to something that was beyond his control,
• 38:18
  Speaker 13: or that's something that appeared to be a natural urge
• 38:21
  Speaker 13: or sort of mutually consensual if you will, that it
• 38:25
  Speaker 13: somehow makes it lawful. And all he did was just
• 38:29
  Speaker 13: dig himself into a hole much deeper than he already was.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Because everyone I love when he just said that een
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: that Hey, this grown man. I mean you did see
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: him without a shirt on, right, nobody wants to see
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: that coming in the bedroom, all right, That said much
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: less a nine year old little girl.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: You just said.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Mutual consent. If you will, I won't. I will not
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: go down your garden path. That he thought this was
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: mutual consent, well.
• 39:04
  Speaker 13: Then there's nothing to argue. Frankly, in his mind he
• 39:09
  Speaker 13: feels that there was consent. It is not a defense
• 39:12
  Speaker 13: because of the child's age. So all he did was
• 39:15
  Speaker 13: incriminate himself even further. I mean, that's just the bottom line.
• 39:19
  Speaker 13: There's just no way out of this. And frankly, they
• 39:22
  Speaker 13: didn't even need his statements. They don't even need those
• 39:24
  Speaker 13: jail calls. They have ample evidence without a word coming
• 39:28
  Speaker 13: out of his mouth to nail him. The only real
• 39:30
  Speaker 13: issue here, and I know we're not discussing it, is
• 39:33
  Speaker 13: whether or not he will die. And this is a
• 39:36
  Speaker 13: type of case. As defense counsel, I would be groveling
• 39:39
  Speaker 13: for what we call ELWOP life without parole. That is
• 39:42
  Speaker 13: his only hope in this case. It's not whether or
• 39:45
  Speaker 13: not he will ever get out. The question is one
• 39:47
  Speaker 13: of housing. Will he be condemned or will he be
• 39:50
  Speaker 13: in general population for the rest of his life too.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Robin Drake cut, longtime colleague, behavior expert, and you know
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: the rest Former FBI author Robin Drake, this guy not Debey,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: this guy.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Stephan sterns I mean, hey and Jennifer Soto. What a pair.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: But what about steph on Stern's It didn't what happened
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: didn't have to happen, like it just fell on their heads.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: He did it, according to prosecutors.
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he's victim blaming.
• 40:24
  Speaker 9: He's every time I hear watch him speak any anything,
• 40:29
  Speaker 9: it looks like he's so rehearsed. He's done this before,
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: he's he's thought about this a lot, He's contemplated this
• 40:35
  Speaker 9: a lot, and the entire world he's created around himself
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: to him is extremely believable. You know, as our lawyer
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: was saying, you know, it's in his own mind. If
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: he blames a victim, it shouldn't be an inflated charge.
• 40:48
  Speaker 9: And literally he believes that because he is just so
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: twisted and so broken and he allowed himself to keep
• 40:53
  Speaker 9: going down this dark, evil path or he victimized her.
• 40:57
  Speaker 9: And I wouldn't be surprised if they find him.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: years of sex abuse and ultimate murder allegations, please dial
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  Speaker 1: four zero seven eight four six three three three three
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: four zero seven eight four six three three three three.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: We remember an American hero Police officer, Kevin Taun Galt PD, California,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: just thirty five, shot and killed in the line of duty.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: A US Army Vet, Tawn served with Galt PD three years.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Survived by parents. Grieving parents Marianne and Will, sister Julie.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: American hero Officer Kevin Taun. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.