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Missing Mariah's dad speaks again to Nancy; Who is Tampa's serial killer? Kim Kardashian helps child sex slave · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph
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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. The search is still on tonight
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Speaker 1: for three year old Mariah Woods. The girl was last
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Speaker 1: seen by her mother her home and on his Low County.
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Speaker 1: The mother tells me she last saw her daughter in
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Speaker 1: the home at around eleven PM when she checked on her.
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Speaker 1: This is my world, this is my angel. She said.
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Speaker 1: Her boyfriend saw the taller around midnight when he got up,
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Speaker 1: and she says he told her to go back to bed.
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Speaker 1: She was reported missing around six o'clock in the morning.
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Speaker 1: The love I have for this girl, the fond that
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Speaker 1: I have is my life. The child is white, three
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Speaker 1: ft nine inches tall, weighs thirty pounds and has blonde
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Speaker 1: hair and blue eyes. Not making sense to me about
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Speaker 1: where she could be at who she could be with.
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Speaker 1: Christie says she doesn't believe her child could have walked off,
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Speaker 1: as she has weak bones and we're special braces to
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Speaker 1: help her walk. I love her, don't never let her
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Speaker 1: go it get what to hold her tight, see her smile.
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Speaker 1: We are joining the search for a beauty, a full
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Speaker 1: baby girl, Mariah Ka Woods. She goes missing from her
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Speaker 1: home in the home her siblings, her mother, and her
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Speaker 1: mother's boyfriend. Now, let me understand what they say happened.
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Speaker 1: Joining me as Alex Woods. This is Mariah Baby. Mariah's father,
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Speaker 1: Mark Class, renowned victim's advocate, father of Polly Class who
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Speaker 1: went missing, Pat Brown, world renowned criminal profiler and psychologist
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Speaker 1: out of New York, Karen Stark, Alex Woods, I want
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Speaker 1: to go through with you if you can tell us
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Speaker 1: what police told you about how she went missing? What happened? Police?
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Speaker 1: They they think that she walked away. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: don't wait. Are you telling me that police think she
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Speaker 1: walked out of the house without her braces on? I mean,
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Speaker 1: describe her bray her leg braces for me, Alex? What
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Speaker 1: were they exactly? I don't know what. I'm sorry, I can't.
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Speaker 1: I can't hear what you're saying. Let me ask you
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Speaker 1: that question again. Describe her leg braces, Alex, m Alex,
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Speaker 1: are you there? Oh? Okay, you don't know he's he's
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Speaker 1: busting in here right now. Heather, Hi, Heather? Are you
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Speaker 1: his fiancee? Yeah? You know what? Can I talk to you?
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Speaker 1: I really want to get this message out to the listeners. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: right now, everyone Mariah's dad is completely overcome with the
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Speaker 1: grief of talking about baby Maria and with me is
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Speaker 1: his fiancee, Heather. Heather he called he heard about Mariah
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Speaker 1: missing on the radio. Nobody had called him and told
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Speaker 1: him anything. He says. He then called you to ask
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Speaker 1: you was it true? What happened? Heather? He heard it
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Speaker 1: through an amber alert. Um, he was working and he
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Speaker 1: heard an amber alert over the radio and he called
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Speaker 1: me and he was like, our daughter is missing. And
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Speaker 1: I thought because he was talking too, I thought. I
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Speaker 1: was like, watch daughter because we have to well. Uh
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Speaker 1: and then I was a watch Dawn. He's like Maria
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Speaker 1: and I was like no way. He said, yes, please
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Speaker 1: find out if it's true. And I was like okay.
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Speaker 1: So I got on my phone and um, you know,
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Speaker 1: I pulled up you know, the amber I said. He said,
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Speaker 1: came across amber Less. I pulled up Amberler you know,
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Speaker 1: North Carolina, and I saw. I was like, yeah. I
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Speaker 1: called him back, Yeah that's true, and I saw that
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Speaker 1: it was you know, on Dustin Kavin everything. And then
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Speaker 1: he said that calling back, he said that a detective
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Speaker 1: was coming to talk to him. But I went down
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Speaker 1: to and talked to a detective and gave them Alex's information,
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Speaker 1: and the detectives said that they were not even notified
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Speaker 1: of Alex being the father, being her father, and until
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Speaker 1: he called, until we know, oh my goodness. Well, Pat Brown,
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Speaker 1: our criminal profiler, has pointed out how very odd it
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Speaker 1: was that nobody that the mom didn't call him immediately
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Speaker 1: to see if he had the baby, Heather, is he
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Speaker 1: able to speak yet? Yeah, he's right here, Okay, Alex, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I just want to thank you so much. And I
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Speaker 1: know it hurts. I know it's hurting you so badly
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Speaker 1: to verbalize what's going on in your head, in your heart,
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Speaker 1: but we got to get it out there. There are
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Speaker 1: millions of people on the road right now. There are
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Speaker 1: millions of people on in shopping centers, walking around a
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Speaker 1: strip center's laundry matts. You name an apartment complex is
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Speaker 1: that may hear this and may see her. We're talking
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Speaker 1: about three year old Mariah kay Woods. And she is
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Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful. She is brownish blonde hair with blue eyes.
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Speaker 1: Every picture I see of her, she's wearing pink and
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Speaker 1: she's gorgeous. Here's an identify her. She has a problem walking.
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Speaker 1: She wears braces, her braces were in the home. In
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Speaker 1: the home, now, correct me if I'm wrong, Alex Woods.
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Speaker 1: But the mom is saying she put the baby to
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Speaker 1: bed at eleven. Um, I've got conflicting reports about that,
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Speaker 1: but that the boyfriend the living sees her walking around
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Speaker 1: at twelve and tells her to go back to bed.
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Speaker 1: They check on her at six thirty in the morning
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Speaker 1: and she's gone. She had on pj's which were laying
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Speaker 1: beside the ad, which leaves her in nothing but a
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Speaker 1: pair of pink and white striped underwear. No other clothes
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Speaker 1: are missing, and her leg braces are in the home.
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Speaker 1: They also say the door was unlocked and slightly a jar.
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Speaker 1: Is that right, Alex, yes, ma'am, there's uh. People are
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Speaker 1: also saying that they seeing somebody like go out the
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Speaker 1: back door about three four o'clock in the morning. He
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Speaker 1: was saying that just people, their neighbors. I guess I
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Speaker 1: don't know for sure. I ain't heard a name or
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Speaker 1: nothing like that. How they said it was like a
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Speaker 1: grandma that helped Christie watching the baby's and her name
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Speaker 1: was Anna or something. I don't remember her last name,
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Speaker 1: but that she's seen somebody go out in the back door,
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Speaker 1: apparently about three or four o'clock in the morning, carrying something,
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Speaker 1: and it looked like it was limped. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: They've founded Christie's van for evidence and on a trash
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Speaker 1: can and pounded it for evidence. I don't know, Alex Woods,
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Speaker 1: Mariah's dad. You're giving me so much information. I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to digest it and and evaluate it. So now we
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Speaker 1: hear that there may be an eyewitness in that little
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Speaker 1: neighborhood that sees someone leaving Mariah's home between three and
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Speaker 1: four a m. Now, I know, Mark Class, that sounds crazy.
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Speaker 1: Who's up at three or four a m. Looking out
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Speaker 1: the window? But you know what, I have a habit
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Speaker 1: of waking up every night at three o'clock, don't know why,
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Speaker 1: and I walk around the whole place. I check on
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Speaker 1: the children, I check on my mom, I check on everything,
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Speaker 1: and then I try to go back to sleep. It's
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Speaker 1: not unheard of, Mark Class, but it's interesting to me
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Speaker 1: that that piece of evidence isn't out there. I'm just
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Speaker 1: hearing it for the first time right now. Mark, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're hearing a lot of mind boggling information. There's no
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Speaker 1: question about that. If I were Alex, what I would
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Speaker 1: do now is I would find the authorities. I go
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Speaker 1: and find somebody either with the local sheriff's department or
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Speaker 1: maybe even the FBI, because we know that they're involved,
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Speaker 1: and find somebody that will talk to him and share
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Speaker 1: as much information as they can about the investigation so
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Speaker 1: that he can separate us from the fact um. Because
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Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like he's he's done that yet. I
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Speaker 1: think it's really really important for him to be as
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Speaker 1: much as on top of this investigation as he can
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Speaker 1: possibly be, and to be on top of it with
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Speaker 1: good information and real information. You know what you're absolutely right,
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Speaker 1: Pat Brown, criminal profiler. You're hearing Alex Woods. This is
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Speaker 1: Mariah's dad, Mark Class world renowned victims Right's advocate, you're
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Speaker 1: the criminal profiler also with me Karen Stark, psychologist out
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Speaker 1: of New York, Pat, based on what you're hearing now,
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Speaker 1: And we don't know Alex doesn't know what this is
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Speaker 1: sure or not, but the time would fit, and we
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Speaker 1: don't know who that person is. Is it intruder, is
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Speaker 1: it someone already in the home. But I would not
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Speaker 1: totally discount what he's saying. Pat Brown wig in, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean I tend to believe that someone would have
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Speaker 1: carried the child out of the home. I don't believe
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Speaker 1: that she walked out of the home. I think that's
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Speaker 1: kind of strange behavior for a three year old in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the night, not to go to her mother,
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Speaker 1: but to just wander out of the house. I don't
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Speaker 1: buy that one um that you know, so somebody took
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Speaker 1: her out of the house. And I think what what
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Speaker 1: is encouraging to me is that the police appear to
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Speaker 1: have two different UH avenues in their investigation. One they're
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Speaker 1: checking out the family home because it is true that
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Speaker 1: when children disappear out of homes, it often does it
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Speaker 1: has something to do with what happened in the home.
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Speaker 1: And boyfriends are one of the most dangerous people around
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Speaker 1: small children because they don't have that connection, that love
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Speaker 1: and connection to the child, and little children are difficult
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Speaker 1: to deal with us parents anyway, and a boyfriend doesn't
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Speaker 1: have that connection and can become much more angry than
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Speaker 1: a general parent. So they're going to look at that
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Speaker 1: particular that that avenue because they have to. They have
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Speaker 1: to say, we made we want to make sure that
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Speaker 1: something didn't happen in the home. And it looks like
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Speaker 1: they're doing that. But I'm also very pleased that at
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Speaker 1: the same time they're looking outside the home thinking perhaps
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Speaker 1: somebody did have their eye on the child, maybe somebody
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Speaker 1: did come in in the night. Let's not ignore that avenue,
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Speaker 1: because if the child has been taken by somebody else,
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Speaker 1: they want to find that child as quickly as possible
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Speaker 1: to bring her home safely. So I'm really glad that
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Speaker 1: they're pursuing all avenues, following up on what criminal profile
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Speaker 1: or pat Brown, says Karen Stark. If it were me,
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Speaker 1: I would submit to a polygraphic fronto the mom and
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend, the whole bunch. Yeah, I would do you know,
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Speaker 1: and drill and ask a million questions you know they
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Speaker 1: got If they know something, they will come out. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if they know something now they ain't said it, they
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Speaker 1: ain't gonna tell it. They're trying to cover it up.
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Speaker 1: If if they ain't said it by now, Yeah, what
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Speaker 1: do you mean? What? What? What? Why would you say that? Well? Early,
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Speaker 1: he's he's um drug user and he's not caught working
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Speaker 1: and got fires for drugs. He's got a bed, a
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Speaker 1: bed uh temper and I don't know, it's just it's
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Speaker 1: just strange, I mean, and Christie King to the ideal mom.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, ain't nobody perfect, but she's far
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Speaker 1: from perfect. Well, all of the things that Alex Wood
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Speaker 1: is telling us, I do not have any evidence to
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Speaker 1: support any drug allegations or bad parenting. There are also
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Speaker 1: reports that child Protective Services took Mariah and the siblings
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Speaker 1: away in two thousand sixteen, and were they were placed
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Speaker 1: with Alex Woods? Is that in fact true, Alex Yes?
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Speaker 1: And again, why did they take the children from the mother?
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Speaker 1: Because her boyfriend beat Brian with a belt and let's boozes,
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Speaker 1: and they try to cover it up and say that
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Speaker 1: he fell off a bunk bed. Wait, are you saying
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Speaker 1: this about Are you saying this about the living boyfriend?
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Speaker 1: The living boyfriend he's gone, who beat ran into the
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Speaker 1: belt and Christie covered it up Ryan? Are you saying
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Speaker 1: Ryan is Maria's brother? Okay? And because I want to
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Speaker 1: turn this back toward Mariah missing, Alex Woods, have you
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Speaker 1: talked to Mariah's mother yet? No? Okay? What are police
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Speaker 1: telling you about what happened? What they think happened that
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Speaker 1: night when she goes missing? They're not really telling me yet.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they're trying to get as much evidence and
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Speaker 1: stuff build up as they can. I mean, I've called
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Speaker 1: nathm and I'm in continuous contact with him, and ain't
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Speaker 1: really you know, breaking it down and telling me a
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Speaker 1: specific story, you know. I mean, they're getting stories from
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Speaker 1: this person and that person. They're trying to filter it
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Speaker 1: out and get a real concrete story to run with,
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Speaker 1: you know. Karen stark Uh joining me out of New York.
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Speaker 1: It seems to me if the baby was wandering around,
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Speaker 1: she would have gone to her mother. Although the boyfriend
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Speaker 1: says he saw her and told her to go back
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Speaker 1: to bed. That may have stopped her from going to
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Speaker 1: her mother. But I find it hard to believe this
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Speaker 1: child would leave the house in the middle of the night.
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Speaker 1: I really do. It doesn't make any sense unless she
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Speaker 1: had a history of doing that at three years old.
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Speaker 1: She would not just walk out of her house. That's
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Speaker 1: too scary. And I'm just curious because Alex says he
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Speaker 1: doesn't believe that that's what happened either, And I was
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Speaker 1: wondering what he was talking about when he said that. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's ask him, Alex, what do you think happened? Well,
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Speaker 1: Christie's own father said that, you know, that's he don't
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Speaker 1: believe that's what happened. And him and that girl Anna
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Speaker 1: have heard and believe and seeing that there was their
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Speaker 1: stories match up that there was somebody that was carrying
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Speaker 1: something out the house about three or four o'clock in
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Speaker 1: the morning. And I don't know, I just you know,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it just don't seem right because I just
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Speaker 1: don't see the little girl walking. Have you asked police
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Speaker 1: whether the boyfriend and the mom have taken polygraphs? I
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Speaker 1: have not yet. I have asked that. They said not yet.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why, but they ain't ain't put him
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Speaker 1: on polygraph And yet they've questioned him several times, but
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Speaker 1: no polyg the TIPLO three three. Please help us bring
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Speaker 1: baby Mariah home, Alex. If you could speak to your
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Speaker 1: little girl, Maria or whoever took her, what would you say.
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Speaker 1: Complease bring the little baby girl back home. She's cracious,
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Speaker 1: she's an innocent, she ain't done nothing and nobody. I mean,
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Speaker 1: she's a little three year old girl. We me and
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Speaker 1: my Danna say we love her so much. We've missed
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Speaker 1: her so much. Daddy loves you so much. Baby. Please
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Speaker 1: that that man is Howell Emmanuel Donaldson, the third who
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Speaker 1: another interesting note here is that the gun was purchased
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Speaker 1: on October three here in Tampa. He picked up that
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Speaker 1: gun on October seventh. The first murder Benjamin Mitchell. That
21:14
Speaker 1: first murder was committed on October night, just two days
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Speaker 1: for when that gun was purchased and picked up. Joining
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Speaker 1: me on the scene there in Seminole Heights is w
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Speaker 1: f L A t v S Meredith Sinceulo, and also
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Speaker 1: joining me is Joe Scott Morgan Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor
21:32
Speaker 1: Forensics at Jacksonville State University. What is so miraculous to
21:37
Speaker 1: me is the way that this unfolded, the chance, the
21:43
Speaker 1: unlikelihood that this would happen, because what we know happened
21:49
Speaker 1: is that the guy now under arrest he is a
21:53
Speaker 1: graduate at St. John's University in Queens, New York. He
21:57
Speaker 1: was enrolled there in two thousand eleven. Is a walk
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Speaker 1: on member of the school's basketball team. Says the school program,
22:05
Speaker 1: it's amazing. And the employee that happened to crack this case,
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Speaker 1: as Meredith Cinseulo told us, an employee at McDonald's his
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Speaker 1: name is Peebo Johnson, says that he was working in
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Speaker 1: the grill station when a man walked into the restaurant
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Speaker 1: carrying a book bag. The man asked the manager to
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Speaker 1: hold the bag while he went to catch a check,
22:26
Speaker 1: but he said, don't look inside. Well, of course, the
22:29
Speaker 1: first thing you're gonna do is look inside. The female
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Speaker 1: manager looked anyway, She found the gun and called police.
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Speaker 1: When the man came back, Officers swarmed the scene, got
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Speaker 1: him to the ground, and as Meredith Sinceulo is reporting,
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Speaker 1: police now believe that the deaths of four people are connected.
22:50
Speaker 1: They're not saying why, but clearly Meredith is right. It
22:53
Speaker 1: has to do with the ballistics. And the reason I
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Speaker 1: say that this is so miraculous Joe's got Morgan. The
23:01
Speaker 1: reason I say this is so miraculous is you would
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Speaker 1: never have suspected this guy to be a serial killer.
23:08
Speaker 1: We don't have any type of a motive. But also
23:11
Speaker 1: what's so miraculous is the way he was caught really
23:14
Speaker 1: by chance. Yeah, he was caught by chance, Nancy. And
23:18
Speaker 1: what's really great about this is that this is demonstive
23:21
Speaker 1: of how the community just came together. Everybody had their
23:24
Speaker 1: eyes opened. The police have been pushing this for a
23:26
Speaker 1: while and I'm sure that this worker when in this
23:28
Speaker 1: area when they were handed a bag contained a gun
23:31
Speaker 1: alarm bells went off in their head because this is
23:33
Speaker 1: in front of them, day after day after day. As
23:36
Speaker 1: the Tampa Mayor, Bob Butckcorn said, the battle between darkness
23:40
Speaker 1: and light light has won, and that just really struck
23:45
Speaker 1: a chord in me. For those of you just joined us,
23:47
Speaker 1: the man believed to be responsible for four deadly shootings
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Speaker 1: in the Tampa area Seminole Heights, has been detained. All
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Speaker 1: by chance. Police get a tip about a guy in
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Speaker 1: McDonald's with a book bag that has a gun in it.
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Speaker 1: They converge on the scene. It's at McDonald's and Tampa's
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Speaker 1: Ibor City. I've been there many many times in Ibor,
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Speaker 1: and it turns out to be they think the Tampa
24:15
Speaker 1: serial killer. Marida Cincelo joining me on the scene and
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Speaker 1: Seminole heis w f L A correspondent, Meredith, what more
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Speaker 1: can you tell us? It just seems so surreal that
24:25
Speaker 1: this is how he is caught, Very surreal. From all accounts.
24:29
Speaker 1: This man comes from a very good family locally in Tampa.
24:33
Speaker 1: There was no indication leading up to this, at least
24:36
Speaker 1: from the people that have come forward so far, who
24:39
Speaker 1: may have paid back at ball with him in high school,
24:42
Speaker 1: nothing to indicate that this would be that person. However,
24:46
Speaker 1: if you look at social media accounts which have since
24:49
Speaker 1: been locked down, he went by trigger Ty the nicknames
24:55
Speaker 1: apparently that he gave himself trigger this and trigger that
24:59
Speaker 1: he had given him self this name. Are you saying
25:02
Speaker 1: in a gun? Trigger? That's the way that he presented this.
25:05
Speaker 1: On his social media accounts, at least one of them,
25:08
Speaker 1: he called himself Trey because he was Donaldson the third,
25:13
Speaker 1: so he gave himself this nickname Trey, and at least
25:17
Speaker 1: on his Instagram account, he was going by Trigger Trey. Um.
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Speaker 1: That account is now locked down, as are all of
25:24
Speaker 1: his other social media accounts. But as I mentioned, they
25:27
Speaker 1: have trade that gun. There is a receipt for the gun,
25:30
Speaker 1: uh and he picked it up just two days before
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Speaker 1: this first murder, So that that in itself is very interesting. Also,
25:38
Speaker 1: in the vehicle that we mentioned at McDonald's, they actually
25:42
Speaker 1: found a box of ammunition, and that ammunition does match
25:47
Speaker 1: ammunition found at the crime scenes. Right now, major break
25:51
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25:54
Speaker 1: a twenty four year old college grad in connection with
25:58
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26:08
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26:21
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26:24
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26:28
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Speaker 1: very rarely say a bad word about them because they
31:28
Speaker 1: were very, very nice and friendly and believe it or not,
31:34
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31:38
Speaker 1: but I was out there from August till Thanksgiving to
31:41
Speaker 1: the bitter end, and it never changed. They were that
31:45
Speaker 1: way every time I was around them, and they were
31:48
Speaker 1: that was because they were coming to see Rob Kardashian,
31:51
Speaker 1: who was dancing, remember, and that's how why they were
31:55
Speaker 1: showing up at all the rehearsals and the events. And um,
32:00
Speaker 1: I can't remember what charity he gave his money to
32:02
Speaker 1: I know mine went to NIGMA National Center for Missing
32:05
Speaker 1: Exported Children. So having known them then I very rarely
32:09
Speaker 1: will find anything bad to say. They're just making money.
32:13
Speaker 1: They're just a squirrel trying to get a nut. Right now,
32:16
Speaker 1: I've got to say I think a lot more of
32:18
Speaker 1: her now that she has sick for lawyers, high profile lawyers,
32:23
Speaker 1: by the way to work on this case of this
32:26
Speaker 1: little girl. Let's get to the heart of this. Alexis
32:28
Speaker 1: Terres Chuck Radar online dot com. Tell me about Centuria.
32:33
Speaker 1: What happened? Why is the victim behind bars? So Centuria
32:37
Speaker 1: was a young teenager, fifteen year old runaway. She somehow
32:42
Speaker 1: unfortunately got captured for lack of a better word, by
32:46
Speaker 1: a pimp named Cutthroat. He okay, wait, wait, wait wait wait,
32:50
Speaker 1: slow it down. Okay. Now, at age fifteen, I was
32:54
Speaker 1: still riding my bike around the neighborhood and we're just,
33:00
Speaker 1: you know, be in the backyard practice saying the somersaults
33:02
Speaker 1: and cart Will's as blitz, trying to do a cheer
33:06
Speaker 1: and um, I wasn't totally convinced that Santa was not
33:10
Speaker 1: real at age fifteen. Now this girl who is just
33:15
Speaker 1: turned fifteen and I'm sure there was a reason. She
33:19
Speaker 1: was a runaway gets kidnapped by a pimp. And it
33:23
Speaker 1: happens all the time right here. I pooh pooed human
33:27
Speaker 1: trafficking until I met with human trafficking experts. It's real runaways.
33:34
Speaker 1: Get let me just say enslaved. They do right here
33:40
Speaker 1: in America. So this girl fifteen, he should be practicing
33:44
Speaker 1: her cheers or reading her English homework, is on the streets.
33:47
Speaker 1: What happens exactly? He does. His name was Cutthroat. He
33:51
Speaker 1: kidnaps her, He drugs her, he be pleasant with drugs.
33:55
Speaker 1: He sexually abuses her, and he pimps her out. He
33:59
Speaker 1: turns her into a sex safe. He hires her out
34:01
Speaker 1: to men. They're gonna pay to abuse her. Wait wait, Alexis,
34:05
Speaker 1: hold on you. I'm drinking from a fire hydrant here.
34:07
Speaker 1: It's just too much. So she's just turned fifteen, she's
34:11
Speaker 1: a runaway. She gets kidnapped by a pimp, which is
34:16
Speaker 1: easy enough to do, to kidnap a kid. I've prosecuted.
34:21
Speaker 1: She had no one, no one to fight for her.
34:24
Speaker 1: Alexis literally prosecuted a set of three pimps that got
34:32
Speaker 1: a runaway girl. She was thirteen and turned her into
34:37
Speaker 1: a prostitute. She was Alexis, and I still remember the moment.
34:41
Speaker 1: I've been working the streets trying to find this girl
34:45
Speaker 1: for over a month with three cops from Vice. I
34:48
Speaker 1: never even went into my office. I went straight to
34:50
Speaker 1: the street every day and it was cold, and I
34:53
Speaker 1: remember I had this horrible, thin little coat. That's all
34:56
Speaker 1: I could afford as a prosecutor. And I was out
34:59
Speaker 1: looking for this girl. And they said, and finally we
35:02
Speaker 1: had been out for about three and a half weeks,
35:04
Speaker 1: every day, and then when we think we got her,
35:06
Speaker 1: get the car. I got in the car. We went
35:08
Speaker 1: to some flop house. We got there, we went in
35:12
Speaker 1: and there were several ladies sitting around. I went back.
35:15
Speaker 1: I'm like, she's not in there. Why are we here?
35:18
Speaker 1: They went, that's her sitting on the bed. I went
35:21
Speaker 1: back in. Alexis. She had long weave and her hair,
35:26
Speaker 1: high heeled boots, false eyelashes, the work she was. She's
35:30
Speaker 1: thirty five years old. She was thirteen, Alexis, to rest check,
35:35
Speaker 1: this happens. It happens, and then she gets sold out
35:40
Speaker 1: to man after man after man after man after man.
35:47
Speaker 1: What happens that pimp ends up selling her permanently. He
35:53
Speaker 1: gives her to a man who enslaves her in his home. So,
35:57
Speaker 1: after he sold her to hundreds, baby even thousands of men,
36:01
Speaker 1: and he gives her to one person and she has
36:04
Speaker 1: no recourse, She has nothing that she can say or do.
36:07
Speaker 1: She has no one that she can go to to
36:10
Speaker 1: help her. So he sells her to this man who's
36:12
Speaker 1: forty three years old, and he was actually a real
36:16
Speaker 1: estate agent. He's okay, White a minute, White a minute,
36:18
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Alexis Torres Chuck write our online dot com
36:21
Speaker 1: Hold on. Dr Brian Russell was with me not only
36:24
Speaker 1: a psychologist but also a lawyer and host of investigation
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36:36
Speaker 1: how does the forty three year old man who has
36:39
Speaker 1: a job in a life? I think it's okay to
36:43
Speaker 1: buy a fifteen year old girl and keep her locked
36:46
Speaker 1: up in the house and have sex with her. How
36:47
Speaker 1: does that happen? I don't think there's any rational explanation
36:52
Speaker 1: for it. Nancy, It's absolutely disgusting. Okay, the story just
36:57
Speaker 1: keeps getting worse. Go ahead, Alexis, So this man buys
37:01
Speaker 1: her from her pimp. She is now sixteen years old, teenager,
37:05
Speaker 1: and he keeps her enslaved in his home again, sexually
37:10
Speaker 1: assaulting her, keeping her tied up. He will not let
37:13
Speaker 1: her leave, she says. She realizes when she gets in
37:16
Speaker 1: this home that it is filled with guns, just an
37:21
Speaker 1: arsenal of weapons, and she is terrified. All this time,
37:25
Speaker 1: all these bad things that have been having to her,
37:26
Speaker 1: she now is afraid because she sees all these guns,
37:29
Speaker 1: that this man is going to kill her. She finally
37:35
Speaker 1: has enough. He has raped her, he has enslaved her.
37:39
Speaker 1: She and let me just remind everybody, UH actually will
37:43
Speaker 1: caught with me. Alexis number one. I'm sorry. I went
37:47
Speaker 1: round and round with John David half the night with Alexa,
37:51
Speaker 1: so I'm just saying it. I can't starve myself. I'm sorry. Okay,
37:56
Speaker 1: I've known you for many, many years. I know your
37:59
Speaker 1: name is Alex Toss Chuck, but I keep saying Alexa,
38:02
Speaker 1: and I can't stop my stuff. It's okay. Ashley Wilcott
38:06
Speaker 1: is with me, a high profile lawyer out of the
38:09
Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction and renowned child advocate. Ashley, what okay did
38:15
Speaker 1: I miss something? She shoots the guy. That's been raping her. Now,
38:20
Speaker 1: remember a lot of people would argue that was consensual.
38:23
Speaker 1: A child cannot have consensual sex. That's right, that's right,
38:27
Speaker 1: impossible under the law. That's right. Now. It's just it's crazy,
38:32
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's she's a victim. And here's the problem
38:34
Speaker 1: we have in our child welfare system and with society
38:37
Speaker 1: is people think that they are criminals, that it's prostitution,
38:42
Speaker 1: that they're stealing the guns and taking things from this man,
38:45
Speaker 1: and it's all crime related. Bottom line, she's a victim.
38:48
Speaker 1: She's endured many multiple traumas that have even changed her brain. Science.
38:52
Speaker 1: She's a victim. She's not the criminal. But our system
38:56
Speaker 1: is not yet caught up to what we know um
39:00
Speaker 1: based on a lot of different scientific research, to say
39:03
Speaker 1: this is a victim. She does not need to go
39:05
Speaker 1: to jail. She needs treatment, she needs help, not jail.
39:09
Speaker 1: If these facts are true, which I have no reason
39:13
Speaker 1: to doubt. The facts that Alexis to res Chuck is
39:17
Speaker 1: like spinning out for me. And all of this is
39:20
Speaker 1: court record. All of this It was in the court
39:24
Speaker 1: record when she came up on charges of murder. Okay,
39:28
Speaker 1: go ahead, Alexis to Res Chuck, go ahead. So she
39:31
Speaker 1: ends up shooting this man and killing him. Finally, she
39:34
Speaker 1: said she was afraid he was going to kill her.
39:36
Speaker 1: He has raped her repeatedly, he has held her captive
39:39
Speaker 1: in his home. She shoots him. Police come and arrest her,
39:44
Speaker 1: and they don't even care about the years of torture
39:48
Speaker 1: that she has been subjected to. And she gets prosecuted
39:51
Speaker 1: for murder for this man who bought her, who bought
39:55
Speaker 1: her from a pimp. She wasn't trying to rob him
39:58
Speaker 1: or steal anything from him. She was trying a fight
40:00
Speaker 1: for her a life, you know. To Joseph Scott Morrigan
40:03
Speaker 1: joining me, he's a forensics expert and professor of forensics
40:07
Speaker 1: at Jacksonal State University. You know, Joe Scott, I'd like
40:11
Speaker 1: to hear you weigh in on this. You know, Nancy,
40:13
Speaker 1: I've been looking over this case now forbid and it
40:17
Speaker 1: seems as though to me that the system in general
40:21
Speaker 1: failed this child. And she was a child when all
40:24
Speaker 1: of this occurred. She's been taken against her will, held
40:29
Speaker 1: essentially imprisoned with this guy. He's been abusing her. I
40:32
Speaker 1: would think that just the physical changes in her person
40:36
Speaker 1: could have been demonstrative of what she was undergoing during
40:39
Speaker 1: this period of time. And I'm really curious as to
40:42
Speaker 1: why the prosecution would move forward on a case like
40:46
Speaker 1: this without really really digging deep into this thing. Also,
40:49
Speaker 1: they put forward this idea that this child who was
40:53
Speaker 1: born to a mother that drank incessantly, the idea has
40:57
Speaker 1: been brought up that she might be suffering from from uh,
41:01
Speaker 1: developmental alcohol ingestion syndrome. Uh, you're talking about fetal alcohol.
41:06
Speaker 1: Syna drank heavily while she was pregnant, and I learned
41:12
Speaker 1: that from There was a PBS Public Broadcasting System documentary
41:16
Speaker 1: called Me Facing Life, Cynthia's Story and it tells Centoria's story.
41:24
Speaker 1: And then just recently, um, there was another special on
41:28
Speaker 1: it um from Fox seventeen News and it just aired,
41:33
Speaker 1: and I think that's what what got Kim Kardashian going
41:37
Speaker 1: on this. And of course, uh, we also know Rihanna
41:40
Speaker 1: has jumped on the bandwagon, and you know what, the
41:42
Speaker 1: more the merrier to bring on justice. What were you saying,
41:46
Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Yeah, one of one of the you can
41:49
Speaker 1: see physical manifestations and people uh that that suffer from
41:54
Speaker 1: this condition. But there's also issues that have come up,
41:58
Speaker 1: you know where they talk about the impulse control and
42:01
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So it's a powder keg. You
42:04
Speaker 1: have a person who is in fear of their life. Uh,
42:06
Speaker 1: they're they're being sequestered, held against their will. Uh. She
42:10
Speaker 1: sees an opportunity for freedom here, and she takes the
42:15
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42:18
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of defense was put up
42:20
Speaker 1: for her. And uh, finally, you know, the key that
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Speaker 1: unlocked the door for her was a forty caliber round
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Speaker 1: that killed this guy. And uh, and she's free in
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Speaker 1: that sense from him. But now she's been placed into
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Speaker 1: a prison system that, as you well know Nancy, is
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Speaker 1: very unforgiving. So, as it stands right now, to Dr
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Speaker 1: Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist, host of Investigation Discoveries Fatal Vows,
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Speaker 1: as it stands right now, this girl will not be
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Speaker 1: eligible for parole until she is sixty nine years old.
42:52
Speaker 1: I mean it's like this kid, well she's not a
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Speaker 1: kid anymore, but this girl never had a chance from
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Speaker 1: the get go. Dr Brian Okay, So I absolutely sympathize
43:02
Speaker 1: with this girl tremendously for everything that she went through.
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Speaker 1: And I certainly have no sympathy at all for the
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Speaker 1: deceased in this case. But at the risk I knew
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Speaker 1: there was gonna be a butt. I could tell. But
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Speaker 1: you know, I learned that Ashley. Isn't it true? As
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Speaker 1: she will caught When the judge starts talking, you can
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Speaker 1: always tell there's gonna be a butt, absolute rule for you.
43:25
Speaker 1: And they start saying, well, you know, Ms Grace, you've
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Speaker 1: put up quite a you know, convincing blah blah blah.
43:31
Speaker 1: You know there's gonna be a butt. They always have
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Speaker 1: a butt when they start off like that, don't like,
43:35
Speaker 1: isn't that true? She will caught it? And it's true.
43:38
Speaker 1: I'm on the bench and it's very true. That's how
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Speaker 1: we present it. Okay, go ahead, Brian Russell, get ready
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Speaker 1: to tangle. Okay. So, at the risk of being the
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Speaker 1: turn in the punch bowl here this morning, I saw
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Speaker 1: that saying I'm pretty sure you stole that from me. Okay,
43:55
Speaker 1: go ahead. You know, there are essentially two states of
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Speaker 1: mind in our system that a person can be in
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Speaker 1: that enable the person to kill someone else and and
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Speaker 1: be excused for it. And those two states of mind
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Speaker 1: are either you are in fear of eminent death or
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Speaker 1: or severe bodily harm at the hands of the person
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Speaker 1: you kill, or you are so mentally out of it
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Speaker 1: that you either don't know what you're doing or you
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Speaker 1: can't distinguish you're incapable of distinguishing legal from illegal. So
44:33
Speaker 1: we have to go back now, I think it's thirteen
44:36
Speaker 1: years and just remember the fact that a jury at
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Speaker 1: that time concluded that neither one of those two states
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Speaker 1: of mind applied to this young woman at the time.
44:49
Speaker 1: And we have to also keep in mind that neither
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Speaker 1: past trauma nor things like fetal alcohol syndrome. While we
44:56
Speaker 1: sympathize with those all of us, do I know they
45:00
Speaker 1: do not generally render somebody into either one of those
45:04
Speaker 1: two mental states. So, yes, we need to take another
45:07
Speaker 1: look at this case. But I think we have to
45:10
Speaker 1: remember that that, you know, sometimes the story that we
45:14
Speaker 1: hear several years after a conviction from somebody is a
45:17
Speaker 1: little bit different than the story that the jurors heard originally,
45:21
Speaker 1: And so I'm always a little hesitant to conclude that
45:24
Speaker 1: a unanimous group of jurors was just nuts thirteen years ago. Well,
45:29
Speaker 1: I gotta agree with you, Dr Brian russell Um. Look
45:33
Speaker 1: as much as the law may taste bitter as it's
45:36
Speaker 1: going down, it is the law. Now. Unless she was
45:39
Speaker 1: acting in self defense, and now we are hearing this
45:42
Speaker 1: guy was reaching for a gun. If that was true,
45:45
Speaker 1: then this would be self defense. If not, she would
45:49
Speaker 1: have the argument of just like a battered woman would
45:53
Speaker 1: have the argument of the batter woman's syndrome, which very
45:57
Speaker 1: often carries the day. Or she would have a voluntary
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Speaker 1: manslaughter charge of provocation or heat of passion anger and
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Speaker 1: the heat of passion of being molested. Those would be
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Speaker 1: her defenses. There are two of them. One self defense
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Speaker 1: if he were really reaching for a gun at the time,
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Speaker 1: or two. There's no such thing as a snap defense.
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Speaker 1: But there is the battered woman's defense, where you have
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Speaker 1: been abused and abused and abused and then you act.
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Speaker 1: That is kind of like a diminished capacity, and I
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Speaker 1: think that would probably be her best bet. So while
46:35
Speaker 1: she would be culpable for the shooting, under Dr Brian
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Speaker 1: Russell's legal theory, she would have probably already gotten out
46:44
Speaker 1: by Now, what wouldn't you think, alexis to rest, Chuck?
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Speaker 1: I mean, you have investigated this case thoroughly. She was convicted,
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Speaker 1: and if she had gone with a diminished capacity like
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Speaker 1: Battered Women's Defense. Um, she would have already been out,
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Speaker 1: but now she's not even subject to parole n till
47:04
Speaker 1: she's sixty nine. No, she has You're exactly right, she
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Speaker 1: has fifty years. But the thing is that research has
47:14
Speaker 1: changed in the last thirteen years, and in cases that
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Speaker 1: I've covered recently, like the girl the teen texting case
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Speaker 1: where she encouraged her boyfriend to kill himself and she
47:23
Speaker 1: was found guilty by the judge, he said he really
47:25
Speaker 1: studied the research that had been given to him, which
47:28
Speaker 1: showed that teenager's brains are just not fully developed, which
47:32
Speaker 1: is why he did not throw the book at her.
47:35
Speaker 1: So if thirteen years ago this research wasn't available, and
47:39
Speaker 1: so now people could go back. And that's why Kim
47:42
Speaker 1: Kardashian comes in. She has asked her high power lawyer,
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Speaker 1: Sean Chapman Holly. She was part of O. J. Simpson's
47:48
Speaker 1: defense team. She was Lindsay Lohan's defense attorney. She knows
47:53
Speaker 1: how to work a case, and she's asked her to
47:56
Speaker 1: go in and try to help this girl who was
47:58
Speaker 1: just sixteen years when the crime happened, so that there
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Speaker 1: there could be new evidence things. They could change the
48:04
Speaker 1: way that people look at how brains of teenagers. Just
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Speaker 1: follow up Alexis with some research that I had found
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Speaker 1: when she was just sixteen, There's no doubt sin Torria
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Speaker 1: Brown got into a pickup truck on Murfrey's Boro Pike
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Speaker 1: with a stranger, drove to his home, got in bed
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Speaker 1: with him, and shot him in the back of the
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Speaker 1: head with the forty caliber. Now, according to this transcript,
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Speaker 1: as he lay naked beside her, she states she did
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Speaker 1: it and that she quote executed him. However, she says
48:40
Speaker 1: she believed the man who picked her up was reaching
48:42
Speaker 1: for his gun when she killed him. Now that's a
48:45
Speaker 1: different story from her being tied up and held prisoner
48:48
Speaker 1: in somebody's home, although that could have happened with the pimp.
48:53
Speaker 1: Um the the issue in my mind, the pimp sold
48:57
Speaker 1: her to this man, is what she said. That's what
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Speaker 1: she says, But a different transcript says she just got
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Speaker 1: in his truck, went home with him and killed him
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Speaker 1: that day. That those are the two conflicting stories. What
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Speaker 1: is concerning me is sentencing young people to lie behind bars,
49:15
Speaker 1: and I think that brings into our purview all the
49:21
Speaker 1: other things we're talking about her upbringing and the field
49:25
Speaker 1: alcohol syndrome. Long story short, when you were sixteen and
49:29
Speaker 1: you shoot somebody dead, you can be treated like an
49:32
Speaker 1: adult like she was. I think what we need now
49:37
Speaker 1: is the truth about what really happened, as she willcott.
49:43
Speaker 1: When you hear this, this version of the facts, does
49:47
Speaker 1: it change anything? Well, I do think it changes things
49:52
Speaker 1: because you certainly the law is the law, and a court,
49:55
Speaker 1: a judge and a jury they have to apply the
49:58
Speaker 1: law to the facts, and so it is a little
50:01
Speaker 1: bit different when you hear those facts. But I also
50:03
Speaker 1: agree the research has changed drastically in the last thirteen years,
50:08
Speaker 1: and there is very critical work being done in the
50:11
Speaker 1: state of Georgia by attorneys who are appealing cases in
50:15
Speaker 1: which juveniles are sentenced to life sentences because it is
50:19
Speaker 1: the equivalent of a death penalty for a juvenile. Right,
50:22
Speaker 1: they're never going to get out, They're gonna sit in jail,
50:24
Speaker 1: it's the equivalent, and they are having some life. There's
50:28
Speaker 1: also actually life versus life without parole, yes, which is
50:33
Speaker 1: now put on it, but life you could get out
50:37
Speaker 1: as early as sevent to ten years. Sure, that is
50:40
Speaker 1: is what I know. We don't know all the facts yet,
50:44
Speaker 1: but whatever they are, I do believe an investigation is
50:49
Speaker 1: in order to determine exactly what happened, what was said
50:54
Speaker 1: at trial versus what her story is now if they
50:57
Speaker 1: are different, and what sentence she really deserves. I want
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