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The Michael Jordan Conspiracies Pt. 2 · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, this is Adam, host of this podcast. Don't
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  Speaker 1: skip this. It's not an ad just dropping in to
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  Speaker 1: let you know. This episode was originally recorded and released
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  Speaker 1: way back in July of twenty eighteen. It's the second
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  Speaker 1: part of our two part series about the various conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: theories surrounding NBA legend Michael Jordan. Back when it first
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  Speaker 1: came out, it was for subscribers only, but against all odds,
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  Speaker 1: there's been lots of Michael Jordan news in the years
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  Speaker 1: since this was released, to the point that it's more
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  Speaker 1: relevant now than it was back then, especially if you,
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  Speaker 1: like most of America, watched the critically beloved Chicago Bulls
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  Speaker 1: documentary The Last Dance back in the early months of
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  Speaker 1: the COVID lockdowns. If you haven't, I can't recommend it
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  Speaker 1: highly enough. It brings up some of the things we
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  Speaker 1: talked about on these two Jordan episodes, but we also
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  Speaker 1: cover a few things that they do not. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like The Last Dance was a conspiracy documentary
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  Speaker 1: or anything, so that's not unusual. I guess if you're
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  Speaker 1: We hope you enjoy this episode. Thanks, we love you.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get to its Welcome to Conspiracy the Show with
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  Speaker 1: your hosts Adam Todd Brown and Connor mispatn Hey everybody, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Conspiracy the Show. A Patreon only episode. This
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  Speaker 1: is your Patreon dollars hard at work. I'm Adam Todd Brown.
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  Speaker 1: Who are you. I'm Adam Ganser, Adam Ganzer. Back for
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  Speaker 1: a second week. Thank you so much. We're rounding home
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  Speaker 1: on our Michael Jordan Conspiracies. I mean, we really can
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  Speaker 1: take this out for a couple of spins. I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this probably could be a could be a whole podcast. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're finishing up Michael Jordan Conspiracies and this is the
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  Speaker 1: end of sports month on Conspiracy the Show. I think
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  Speaker 1: Connor should be back next week. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: we'll be talking about though, sure, but I'll check in
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  Speaker 1: and find out, Yeah, find out what that turned out
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  Speaker 1: to be. So the Jordan Conspiracies this episode at least
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  Speaker 1: don't involve murder. They don't involve killing a human being. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: there's a murder of sorts, yeah, you know, the attempt
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  Speaker 1: to murder other people's careers. Yeah, you know, there was
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  Speaker 1: definitely that for sure. And murdering basically, he's like, murdering
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  Speaker 1: teams is what he's doing. Now he's moving round to that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I should point people to I meant to do this
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  Speaker 1: last episode. We've been talking about Mike Korzemba a whole
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  Speaker 1: bunch and he is, like I said, YouTube's premier basketball
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist. And if you want to read more about
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  Speaker 1: that guy, like in addition to going out to his
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  Speaker 1: YouTube page, which you should do, there's some interesting videos
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  Speaker 1: out there. Sure. There's also a profile of him in
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  Speaker 1: The New Yorker called The Truth Is out There NBA
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  Speaker 1: Conspiracy Theories on YouTube, written by Michael Aeger. Did you
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  Speaker 1: read this article? I did read it. What'd you think
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  Speaker 1: of the tone of it? I thought it was New
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  Speaker 1: Yorker trying to be blogger? Yeah, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I mean every time The New Yorker writes something that's
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  Speaker 1: attempting to be zeitgeisty and not attempting to be high
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  Speaker 1: art or high intellectual. It feels a little forced. This
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  Speaker 1: feel forced to me, but not awful. This it wasn't awful,
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  Speaker 1: but I felt like the writer feels this obligation to
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  Speaker 1: kind of be mocking in his tone A little bit
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  Speaker 1: sure toward this page just because it's a conspiracy thing.
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of these conspiracies on this guy's page
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  Speaker 1: are pretty plausible. The David Stern or the NBA rigging
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  Speaker 1: the eighty five draft lottery. That's not this guy's conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: It's been around for a while, but his video about
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  Speaker 1: it is probably the best representation of that theory. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's weird for the New Yorker to sort of
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  Speaker 1: try to be both things. They're trying to be above
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  Speaker 1: the pop culture fray. The'se like sort of you know,
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  Speaker 1: taking a survey from a from the high Ivory Tower
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  Speaker 1: and then also want to be in the mix, right,
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, you can't get into conspiracy video
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  Speaker 1: stuff and not enjoy the topic. And you're the New
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  Speaker 1: New York couldn't you have reached this guy for a
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  Speaker 1: comment or an interview? Yeah? Why they just why are
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  Speaker 1: they summarizing a YouTube page. Yeah, yeah, just like link it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean, like or I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what the New Yorker does
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  Speaker 1: to cover YouTube. Yeah, that's kind of a mysterious thing
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  Speaker 1: to me, Like like you may not know this, but
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  Speaker 1: we did that series at Crack that got written up
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  Speaker 1: by the New York Times, and I was surprised the
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  Speaker 1: New York Times even covered the internet. This is like,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah fourteen because they don't know how to do
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  Speaker 1: it well. It's like really clumsy, right, you know, And
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  Speaker 1: I think this is another example of that. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: would agree with that. Yeah, but it's I mean still
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  Speaker 1: it's a profile of this guy. And uh, I think
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  Speaker 1: he makes decent videos. We're going to talk about another
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  Speaker 1: one at the end of this episode, which blows my
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  Speaker 1: fucking mind. I think this guy is really good at
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  Speaker 1: laying out facts and like making it fun. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: looks like he's shooting. As you said, he looks like
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  Speaker 1: he's shooting in his mother's basement. Every time. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: there's always different backdrop, but every time it just looks like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so you're home. We get that right recording into his
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  Speaker 1: like you can might hang something behind you or anything right,
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  Speaker 1: like yeah, tapestry or something or center up. He's like
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  Speaker 1: all frame, You're like, what are you doing? Man? Get
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  Speaker 1: your eyes in front of the Sometimes you see the microphone,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you don't. And he gets louder and more aggressive
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  Speaker 1: as videos go on. This some really bad edits too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Like he'll be in the middle of a sentence and
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  Speaker 1: just like then suddenly he's like in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: another one and you're like yeah, or his tone of
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  Speaker 1: voice will change from section to section. Yes, but still
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  Speaker 1: he does a good job of laying out the infrat
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  Speaker 1: and go out and read that profile of my core Zemba.
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  Speaker 1: If you're that fucking board. Yeah, I don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna do. It isn't gonna kill you. I am a
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  Speaker 1: little bit bummed to see that he's advancing in production value. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I want it. I like that. It's this like sort
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  Speaker 1: of cute boutique thing and he's got a store now
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  Speaker 1: where he's sells I don't like that shirt. I've set
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  Speaker 1: the video so when we started playing it, it would
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  Speaker 1: play after the minute. In twenty seconds, he spends shilling
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  Speaker 1: his new T shirts, which say something like fear is
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  Speaker 1: the enemy or something. It's like, what can it? Can
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  Speaker 1: it say Jordan was suspended? I would buy that shirt?
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  Speaker 1: What the fuck? Yeah, they get me a drug kingpin
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  Speaker 1: murdered James Jordan T shirt with a Jordan crying face meme.
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  Speaker 1: That's what That's what it had to be. Come on,
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  Speaker 1: that would be great you. I would wear that shirt
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  Speaker 1: right now. I would mean absolutely anytime I can wear
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  Speaker 1: that crying face meme. That is like one of the
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  Speaker 1: great crying I don't even remember. I think it might
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  Speaker 1: have been like Hall of Fame speech in for his
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  Speaker 1: college or something. Yeah, it might have been, but it's
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  Speaker 1: like it'll never get old. It's the best thing ever.
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  Speaker 1: I like when Jordan had a Hitler mustache for a while,
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  Speaker 1: just come to Hanley on Ironic Just yeah, why, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this will be a good look on me. Like yeah,
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  Speaker 1: in a Haynes commercial, No one at Haynes was like, hey, Champ,
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  Speaker 1: how about you uh do away with the the Hitler
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  Speaker 1: on your life. You know, there's like seventy people that
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  Speaker 1: it saw that before it got out to the public.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, all of whom had this conversation in
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  Speaker 1: their mind, right, should we do something? And they're like, now,
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  Speaker 1: someone's gonna say something at some point, right, and Charlie
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  Speaker 1: you know or whoever. Yeah. So the first conspiracies we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about, though, come from an article on
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  Speaker 1: cheat sheet dot com which lays out a few I
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  Speaker 1: hadn't actually seen anywhere else. And who the fuck wrote
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  Speaker 1: this or Ryan Davis? Ryan Davis The five biggest conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: theories surrounding Michael Jordan. I enjoyed this one a lot. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he he goes through. The two big ones are on here,
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  Speaker 1: but there's there's three that I want to discuss. Sure.
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  Speaker 1: The first one Jordan kept free agents from signing with
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  Speaker 1: the Bulls. Sure after he retired and during the and
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  Speaker 1: during his time in the Bulls with the Bulls oh right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like he kept them from trading away Pippen is like
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  Speaker 1: one of the big rumors. Yeah, which he should like, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he should keep them somebody other than Scottie Pippen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that one that would have been crazy, right, But I
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  Speaker 1: feel like the idea that he would have and the
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  Speaker 1: thinking behind this one is just that he was like
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  Speaker 1: reaching out to people and saying, hey, don't sign with
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  Speaker 1: the Bulls. Sure, And they don't really go into detail
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  Speaker 1: as to whether he was like saying bad things about
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  Speaker 1: the Bulls to keep people from signing, or if he
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  Speaker 1: was just saying, hey, as a friend, do me a
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  Speaker 1: favor and don't go help the Bulls keep winning. There
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of of like evidence for this other right,
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  Speaker 1: It was like word round the campfire is yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: just kind of circumstantial. Like in two thousand there were
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  Speaker 1: It was Tracy McGrady, Tim duncan, and two like two
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  Speaker 1: other really high HILLI yeah, Grant Hill, and I think
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  Speaker 1: those are the three big ones that I remember. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and oh and Eddie Jones and Eddie Jones Jones Sure
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  Speaker 1: he actually signed to sign with the Bulls and then
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  Speaker 1: rescinded and went to the Miami Heat. It's like only
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  Speaker 1: only two of those guys really mattered, right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like Tim duncan that would have been a major, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And Tracy mcgra and his career Hill. You know, Hill
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  Speaker 1: had a broken ankle for eighty eight percent of his career.
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  Speaker 1: It was insane. You know. He was able to shoot
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  Speaker 1: those Sprite commercials, but otherwise I don't know. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: he played a long time he did, which is to
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  Speaker 1: think I guess that's just a testament to how good
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  Speaker 1: of a player he was. His numbers are surprised. Good,
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  Speaker 1: give me how much I thought of him as being
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  Speaker 1: in a cast. Yeah, he just I remember every time
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  Speaker 1: he would come back, it was just for a few months,
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  Speaker 1: and then he was hurt again. Right, really likable guy though, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: very charming. I wonder if he'll be in the Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame, so definitely you think something he might already be. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: his numbers are really good. Hmm. I know it's weird
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  Speaker 1: because I don't think of him that way either. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but it's but like, I mean, they put in the
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  Speaker 1: what's the name of that guy on the Lakers. I
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  Speaker 1: won't remember this, so we as well. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: spend the time on it. Lakers retired the jersey of
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  Speaker 1: a guy who got in the Hall of Fame who
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  Speaker 1: was like fine, oh yeh, Jim R. Wilke, Wilkes, Oh yeah, Wilkes.
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  Speaker 1: I want to say something like that. His name escapes me.
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  Speaker 1: Not as good as Grant Hill, is the point. So
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  Speaker 1: you gotta let Grant Hill in, you know. Yeah. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, there were there were these four free agents.
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  Speaker 1: It was at a time when the Bulls were like
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  Speaker 1: rebuilding because Jordan had left for the second time and
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  Speaker 1: I think they had gotten a couple lottery picks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and so the idea in two thousand was, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: the Bulls are going to get one of these players, right,
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  Speaker 1: and they'll be back to the bulls they were, and
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  Speaker 1: they just didn't They didn't get I mean, they still
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  Speaker 1: like managed to sign the players they had, and they
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  Speaker 1: did sign some free agents, but no one. They just
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  Speaker 1: always missed out on that big prize. This seems to
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  Speaker 1: be like two lines of criticism here. One of them
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  Speaker 1: is Jordan was secretly the GM right that kind of
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  Speaker 1: conversation when he was there, And to me, that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: feel like a conspiracy theory as much as it feels like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so that's the beginning of the modern NBA, right, you know,
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: or like the beginning of our current state of affairs,
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  Speaker 1: because right now, guys like Lebron or you know whoever. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: those guys to make a lot of personnel decisions. They
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  Speaker 1: make those decisions like Lebron clearly orchestrated his entire team
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  Speaker 1: in Cleveland, clearly. Yeah. So like the fact that Jordan
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  Speaker 1: would have that kind of input, Why is that such
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  Speaker 1: a surprising yeah, because that's one of the other conspiracies
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  Speaker 1: they cover. I don't know if I even put it
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  Speaker 1: on here, but uh yeah, these two kind of go
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  Speaker 1: hand in hand. That he was after his career blocking
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  Speaker 1: them from signing free agents and during his career making
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  Speaker 1: the personnel decisions that kept the team from trading away
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  Speaker 1: Pippen and all of these things that like, honestly they
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't have traded away Pippins. So that why would you
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  Speaker 1: trade away a guy who's, even when Jordan retired, was
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  Speaker 1: still a top ten in the NBA, right, why would
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  Speaker 1: you trade it for? What? For? Who? Yeah? Who's this
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  Speaker 1: person they want to get? Is he Shack? Then he's
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  Speaker 1: not worth it? Yeah, you know what I mean, Like,
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  Speaker 1: Shack's the one that okay tradeing for Shack? Right Shack
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  Speaker 1: at that time? Yeah, it is Jamal Wilkes, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: that is the correct name of the player. But the
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  Speaker 1: thing about this also, you got to remember Chicago minus
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  Speaker 1: jo Ordon is a lot less appealing of a destination.
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  Speaker 1: You guys have a great fan base though, we have
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  Speaker 1: a great fan base. Love brutal fucking winter. So if
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  Speaker 1: you're like that sucks, Tim Duncan he was already playing
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  Speaker 1: for the Spurs. Sure by this point in San Antonio,
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  Speaker 1: He's not. He'd already won a championship there, hadn't he. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he does hard and he's from the fucking Virgin Islands.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't want to live in fucking Chicago winter is
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  Speaker 1: he I don't know, but he has that weird stare.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever watched Tim Duncan play. Yeah, he's at that,
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  Speaker 1: like he's at that serial killer stare. Yeah. I always
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  Speaker 1: hated the Spurs because I just thought they were such
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  Speaker 1: a boring, like New Fundamentals. I don't know why. I
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  Speaker 1: always picture the Spurs preaching fundamentals in practice, but they
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  Speaker 1: just have that Fundamentals team kind of air about them.
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  Speaker 1: The Spurs are like every single team that plays against
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  Speaker 1: the Mighty Ducks and that movie franchise, just all those teams. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and so this this conspiracy, who knows. I think there's
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  Speaker 1: probably it's one of those where it's probably part truth,
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  Speaker 1: part fiction, probably part coincidence. My question is what does
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  Speaker 1: Jordan have to gain from stopping people from signing with
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  Speaker 1: the Bulls after he leaves. Well we'll get into that
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  Speaker 1: partially in the last conspiracy theory but I think it
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  Speaker 1: ties into his competitiveness. He didn't want the Bulls to
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  Speaker 1: be any good because he wants them to crater after
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  Speaker 1: he's gone, right, because he hated the ownership that's of
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  Speaker 1: the Bulls Kraus right and didn't. I could see him
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  Speaker 1: wanting to be like, all right, now that I'm gone,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want the Bulls to win any more championships
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  Speaker 1: because I want it to be clear they needed me
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  Speaker 1: more than I needed them, which isn't completely true because
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  Speaker 1: they did a lot to build that team around George, Like,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't start winning championships until they drafted Scottie Pippen.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he had good role players. Dennis Rodman was
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  Speaker 1: on that team and he still could play basketball at
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: that point. Also, I met Dennis Rodman, and you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: enjoy how I met him. I met him at his
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: eighth divorce proceeding. I worked in a divorce court, and
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: this is a matter of public record, so I'm not
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  Speaker 1: just available for you all to search out downloaded on iTunes.
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  Speaker 1: It was like my first day in divorce court. He
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  Speaker 1: was finally a divorce and there was the details of
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: it were crazy. Go look it up if you want,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: and it happened to just he happened to be the
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: guy at the window, and it was like, what the
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: fuck Dennis Rodman. Wow, it wasn't a pleasant interaction. Imagine's
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  Speaker 1: nice enough, but you know, yeah, my favorite Dennis Rodman
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  Speaker 1: memory there was It was years and years ago, probably
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  Speaker 1: before the two thousands even, but there was this like
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  Speaker 1: Battle of the Network Stars kind of thing where but
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  Speaker 1: it was like athletes performing in athletic competitions that weren't
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  Speaker 1: their own. Dennis Rodman was doing some kind of like
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  Speaker 1: mountain climbing thing. He's done everything there is to do
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  Speaker 1: in that world, and he ends up like finishing and
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  Speaker 1: doing really well, and he's hanging from this rope and
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  Speaker 1: just starts like wildly celebrating and starts swinging back and
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  Speaker 1: forth on the rope and just smash his face first
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  Speaker 1: into the side of this cliff and gets knocked unconscious
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  Speaker 1: on live television. And it was I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: that clip is out there on YouTube anywhere, but if
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  Speaker 1: you can find it, it's a treat. It is a
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  Speaker 1: real treat. And I love Dennis Rodman. Likes fan. He
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  Speaker 1: was on the Lakers teams at least one of them
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  Speaker 1: that won, I want to say, and he was just
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  Speaker 1: a he was a fantastic player. Oh he was the best,
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  Speaker 1: maybe the best defenderable time. Yeah, and he's fun. He's
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  Speaker 1: fun for the league. And he's a crazy story too,
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  Speaker 1: because he didn't he didn't even play basketball in high school.
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  Speaker 1: And then after high school he grew seven inches in
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  Speaker 1: one year, right, and then immediately was great at basketball.
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  Speaker 1: Well again, when I met him, I mean, he is stunning.
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  Speaker 1: He's a stunning person. Yeah, my god, you are tall
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  Speaker 1: and exaggerated in every way, right, you know, like all
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  Speaker 1: the piercings and everything. Was just like, yeah, he's just
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  Speaker 1: he's a striking figure. Yeah. Remember that time he married himself?
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  Speaker 1: That was pretty great, right, like we all made fun
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  Speaker 1: of at the time. Now looking back, it's like, what
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  Speaker 1: a great move. Yeah, like what a hero's journey, because
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: who would you rather be married to? Of course yourself,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: that's amazing. I mean, looking at his marital record, it
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: seems like that was the most successful one. Yeah. Did
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: he marry Carmen elector where they just believe he did dating.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I think he married. I think he married Madonna. Jesus.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: You know, that's a lot. He was too very interesting.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: The dude has lived a life. He really has a
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: couple of them. He's a North Korean ambassador. Yeah, Trump supporter,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Now is he really? Oh yeah, oh that's strange. Yeah,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: he don't understand that. He was interviewed on CNN when
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Trump went to North Korea because Dennis Rodman helped facilitate
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that shit, sure, and he was wearing to make America
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: great again hat and like crying about how great the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: people of North Korea are. Well, he might actually Dennis
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Rodman might actually care about that, Like he might actually
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: care about North Korea in like a compassionate way. Well,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: he said they were the one country he visited that
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: didn't like treat him like a freak show. So I
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: imagine it was nice gawking like like they were just
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: looking at him in a way he appreciated it. I mean,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like Dennis Robin's the kind of person who
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: like got more than he wanted of what he wanted.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: He wanted to be seen in like famous, and now
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: he can't go anywhere out being a freak. And I
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: imagine that somehow he got some version of that that
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: he likes. And I don't know, I'm just imagining it,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I kind of had my heart goes out to Dennis
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Robin a little bit, you know what I mean. I
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: just feel like, yeah, he always got treated like he
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: was a maniac, and like, yeah, and he might be
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: a maniac, but he had a rough upbringing. Like yeah,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I think it's like at least one of his parents
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: died or wasn't around. He was raised by his grandmother.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: But we were mean to him when he was on
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: the bulls and stuff because like the dying, the hair
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: like and like that shit. And yeah, looking back, it's like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: who gives a fuck? Yeah, And because he listened to
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Pearl Jam, It's like, now I would just make fun
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: of him for that because Eddie Vedder sucks. Yeah, but
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: as they only had one good record back then, it
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: was like how crazy that a black guy's listening to
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Pearl Exactly. It's like it's not that weird, right, I'm
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: sure they had plenty of black fan He just never
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: fit in any boxes. Yeah, he kind of still doesn't,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, he's just one of those guys. Uh, Yeah,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I don't. So that's all to say. I don't know
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: how Jordan would be against free agents coming there. They
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: had right, Like Robin was a key competitor for Jordan
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: in his early career. Yeah, with the Piston he was
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the Jordan killer quote unquote, Yeah, because that the Pistons
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: were what captain Jordan from winning championships. Yes, pre Scottie Pippens.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: They had the Jordan rules. Yeah, very famously. Yeah, and
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: then wouldn't shake his hand when they lost in the
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Eastern Conference finals. Love that shit, Yeah, yeah, I love it.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I loved that Pistons team. Oh they're such assholes. Yeah,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: they're great though. I saw an interview with Bill Lambier
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: were like you can and it like he finally made
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: sense to me as an older man. It was like, oh,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: now I understand why you were such a piece of shit.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: He's like a good soldier. Like that's who Lambier is.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: He's the right soldier and I kind of love him
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: for that. Yeah. So let's talk about this next sh
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. I love this one because this is such
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: a memory of mine from my youth. All of us
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: we all remember this and my youth. I was like
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: twenty at the time, but that's young. Yeah. The flu game. Yeah,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: this theory states that, well, I should tell people who
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: aren't familiar with sports or the Bull's history or Jordan's history,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: which is almost everyone listening to this podcast probably somehow.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: There was a game. It was was it the finals? Yeah, yeah,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: because they're playing in Utah. It was against the Jazz, right,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: was his last two And this game they call it
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: the Flu game because Jordan, according to legend or according
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: to the accepted version of events, had the flu, and
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: it looked like he had the flu. There were awful
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: There were a lot of shots of him playing very
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: capably and then being almost carried off the court by
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen every time there was a time out. His
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: eyes were swollen and puffy. He looked like shit. He
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: was a fucking mess. But he also played forty four minutes,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: scored thirty eight points, had seven rebounds, five assists in
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: three steals. That's like a world class game for anyone. Yeah,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: that's even if you're healthy, If you have that game,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: you had a really really good game. That's like close
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to Lebron's best game last year, right, you know, like
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: it's a great game. And I remember afterwards there was
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: a shot of him just laying on the floor crying
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: in the locker room because he was so exhausted. So
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: it was this really inspiring moment in Michael Jordan's history
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: that now people are wondering, Yeah, was he just hungover? Yeah?
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Which the only thing that makes me suspicious of that
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: is I've never heard of Jordan being much of a drinker.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that there was a lot of
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: evidence in this Kozemba or whatever is Krzemba, whatever his
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: name is, that he was a partier though, right, Like,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: there's like four different places he supposedly was the night before.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: One of them, my favorite of them was Robert Redford's
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Shalette because why not, right, just drinking till four am
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: with Robert Redford was the one of the places. But
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, he's everywhere in the world that night,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: supposedly partying, and like maybe it was a party animal.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's true. Yeah, And Jalen Rose at one point
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: told a group of people at a party that Jordan
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: was just hung over that night and then set it
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: again on a podcast Rle Simmons. So there's that, Like,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know how trustworthy Jalen Rose is in that
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: theirs Yeah, uh, it's I mean Jalen often presents himself
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: as being the insider, like the guy who knows the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: real story about how it is, and sometimes you feel
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: that that's authentic. But Jordan's stuff is very apocryphal, everybody,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: it's all apocryphals because the NBA kept him so protective
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: and because he's such a dick that nobody was there, right,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, who was there for that? Yeah?
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Because according to a different person who was supposedly with
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: him all night, he just was locked up in his
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: hotel room getting pizza delivered, you know. And that guy
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: thinks that his trainer his trainer, Yeah, uh, what's his name,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Tim Grover? This is a weird story. What he thinks
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: happened is that Jordan was got food poisoning and that
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: it was intentional. He he talks about, I guess Jordan
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: ordered a pizza. He's the only thing there was in town, right,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: And Tim Grover said, five dudes showed up to deliver
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the sheizza, which on the one hand is suspicious, but
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: also it's like, holy shit, you're delivering a pizza. Mic
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I want to go, of course, that's the first thing
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I would. Yeah, I'm surprised it wasn't more people. Yeah,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: but five, like five people doesn't add to the poisoned
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: like calm right at all. It's just shitty employees who
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: should probably out be out delivering other pizzas. It's just
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: nobody else got pizza that night. These people love Michael Jordan, Like, okay,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: either that or they poisoned his pizza. I guess. But like,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: if you're going to poison a guy, you don't show
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: up to deliver the poison right as far from that
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: as you can. And what did they have just laying
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: around a pizza joint? When did they shit on it? Like?
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: What the fuck would you do to poison this pizza?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I mean I poison is the most cowardly of the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: of the uh attempts to harm another person. You cannot
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: be more cowardly than poison, in my opinion. So people
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: showing up with it, yeah, I'm not gonna know. I'm
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: not on board with that. Didn't Kobe claim that happened.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: This is in Sacramento. This is during that series where
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: or hit the three that you know put carried him
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: over in that game? Oh you remember the one I'm
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: talking Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody remembers that one. Uh it
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: was during that series. I believe they were at some
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: hotel in Sacramento and Kobe got sick supposedly from you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: fans or from a restaurant or whatever. Yeah, you know,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: poisoning him. It's all apocryphal stuff, you know. Yeah, I
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: mean it's an interesting strategy, Like you would go to
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: jail for a long time if someone ever found out
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: you actually did it. This would be when we actually
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: find out the real power of investigation that the NBA has.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Like it's not to find out whether Jordan was investigating,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: it's like, who the fuck poisoned Kobe? That person We're
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: gonna we're selling their body parts for like chump change,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so that the it seems like the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: thing we still call it the flu game, but it
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: seems like people lean more toward it probably being food poisoning.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: That adds up to me. But whatever the case, he
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: was in bad I have heard some people claim he
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: faked it, which that why, like, if you're already playing that, well,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: what's with the dramatics of being carried off court? Yeah,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think he gains from that. Yeah, So how
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: much do you think it was a hangover? What percent
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: of you thinks that I don't I believe the pizza thing.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know that it was necessarily intentionally poison but
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the trainer did say when he got the pizza he
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: had a bad feeling about it and that he didn't
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: want anyone to eat it. I mean, it could be
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the hangover because the in between this pizza getting delivered. See,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: this could be Jordan's trainer covering for him, because in
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: between this pizza getting delivered, the trainer doesn't see Jordan
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: again until two in the morning, and that's the point
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: where he's like curled up in a fetal position on
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: his floor and like throwing up. So he could have
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: been and just getting really hammered too. And the trainer
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: was like, we need a better story than that. This
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: is Michael Jordan, so let's let's say he got poisoned. Well,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Jalen Rose claimed it was both. That's what he said
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: on Bill Simmons Realist. Yeah, he was like, call him
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: a Colin beat remember I had that made that vague?
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Answer was like, what the hell does that mean? Jalen?
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: The answer was essentially, was it a hangover? Well, he
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: was eating some stuff and made him sick, but also
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: he probably was drinking that night, a little bit of both,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: is his answer, which to me just speaks to how
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: great of a competitor Jordan was. Of course, just get
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: hammered and get food poisoning in the same night and
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: still put up thirty eight points in forty four minutes.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it to you this way. If Michael
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Jordan was hangover, like it was a hangover for the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: flu game. If that's true, then it would not be
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the first time that he should have drunk to a game, Right,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: there's no way that's the first time that happens. Yeah,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: why is it the only one? Yeah, that's a problem
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: logically for me. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I mean
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: maybe he just went extra hard because it's the finals
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: or something. It's possible. Yeah, but would that be the
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: time to start drinking really hard? It doesn't feel like
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: it fits everything else about the man. Yeah, but it
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: seems like you would hold off. But I'm willing to
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: accept the idea that he didn't really have the flu, yeah,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: because it was not like I saw we saw him
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: thrown up on the sidelines or like, and why would
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: he why would they let him touch everybody? And like
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: that was a legit. And the point the flu is
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: people miss label the flu all the time, Right, the
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: flu is more like a cold and chest kind of thing,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: whereas if your stomach, if you're throwing up, that's probably
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: more neurovirus or something. It can though, right, can't it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: there's a version of the flu that makes you throw up,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: but that, Yeah, that's the other thing. If he had
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the actual flu that's very contagious, you wouldn't put him
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: out in the court, and he woul wouldn't infected everyone else.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: You don't have basketball when that happens. Yeah, the next
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: night it's all flu game and it's from five days
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: minimum like that, Like that shit wipes your team out. Yeah,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't Game seven of the finals, game like
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: five on us. Yeah, and so he came back like
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: a couple of days later and was fine. Uh So,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: who knows. It was obviously something and it's whatever it was.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: It doesn't take away from that performance, which was need
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: of no. Yeah, yeah, even if he was a drunken mess,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: if this was the one and only time he was
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: just really hungover, Yeah, then look how good at basketball
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, what else is there to take away
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: from that? So the last theory, this is such a gem.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I love this and this one. I would encourage people
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: to just go out and watch the entire Mi Corzemba video. Yeah,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: it's very loud, he's very aggressive. This is the This
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: is where I feel like maybe the money go to him.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Finally this video, Yeah, because there's a minute and twenty
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: seconds ahead of time where he's pushing his T shirt
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: store and then he launches into this video. And this
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: is one of the craziest theories I've ever heard. The
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: video starts with a bunch a lot more Michael Jordan
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: as a competitor stories. One of my favorite. These are
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: all of all my favorite story. Yeah, every single one
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: of these is great. Yeah. The first one they cover
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: is when Jordan was on the Olympic team. Apparently he
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and Christian Laytner played ping pong so good and Christian
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Layner beat him and Jordan one got irate, two disappeared
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and wouldn't talk to anyone for three days through his paddle.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Through his paddle, you know, when he turns back up
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: after three days, we find out it's because he bought
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: a ping pong table, had it sent to his room
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: and was just proacticing ping pong vigorously for three days
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and then finally comes back to Christian Laytoner like, what now,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: pop because it's Christian fucking Latner. Well, yeah, everyone hates
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Christian Latens so perfect. It's like Michael Jordan is gonna
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: eat this duke kid for lunch, you know what I mean?
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I love it, and he loved this crap did but
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: he did. He comes back after three days of practice
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: and just annihilates Christian Laytner and it's like, Okay, do
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: you feel better now? Right? No, that's the thing. He'll
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: never feel better. He'll never like that's what's so funny
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: about this, Like Christian Layner is happy to be mentioned
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: in a sentence with Michael Jordan, right, Like he's definitely
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: fine losing this ping pong game. Yeah, but Michael Jordan's
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: not happy until Christian Layner's well being as annihilated. So
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: they cover that as as the first example of how
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: competitive Jordan is. And they also bring up like from
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: last episode we mentioned the airport carousel story, which is
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: bananas yep, And there's another story about one of his
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: former coaches at North Carolina. Guy named Buzz Peterson invited
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Jordan over to play cards. Strange outing already. Yeah that
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: that alone. It's like, didn't Jordan have shift to do? Michael, Jordan,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: come over and play cards with me, your former coach,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and my mother and my mother. Right, And at one
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: point Peterson's mom, who is presumably very old, because this
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: is Jordan's coaches mom. Yeah, minimum sixty five, right, Yeah,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: so a little old lady in North Carolina. They're playing cards.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: At one point she gets up to go to the
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: bathroom and Buzz Peterson catches Jordan trying to cheat. This
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: is even for money, by the way, this is just
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: a friendly game, even for money, and Jordan needs to
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: win that badly that he's looking at an old lady's
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: cards when she goes to the bathroom. I love it.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I really like it. I hope he lost and just
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: like crashed the living room fucking in the house. Next semester,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: he's taken a course in card dealing. Yeah, I hope
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: he bought the house and like destroyed it before their eyes,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: like just strapped into the chair. He took a sledgehammer
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: piece took that house apart and then there's holy shit,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: the Charles Barkley Store. It's insane, it's totally bananas. So
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: in ninety eight, the Suns improbably had the best record
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: in the NBA. It was ninety three, right, Oh was
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: it ninety three? I think so, yeah, yeah, it was
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: the Jazz Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So the Sons have
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the best record in the NBA, and a lot of
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: people assumed this was the year the Bulls were going
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to lose in the finals. So Jordan runs one of
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the most fascinating long cons of all time, and like
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: halfway through the season just befriends Charles Barkley and they
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: become friends and they start hanging out. And then the
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: night or the day of one of the NBA Finals games,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I think it was Game four, yeah, and they end
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: up winning the series in six games. Before Game four,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Jordan takes Charles Barkley golfing for the most golfing I've
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: ever heard of. Forty eight goddamn holes. That is so
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: much fucking golfing. That's insane. It's so much, but also
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: not an even number because it's either nine or eighteen, right,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: It's not a multiple of either of those. So they
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: just stopped at one point, and enough. Maybe the point
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: they stopped was the point where Jordan gifted Charles Barkley
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: a pair of twenty thousand dollars ear rings. And this
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: is before game four of the NBA Finals, A finals
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: they're competing in. And eventually someone like this story got
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: out and Jordan was asked why he befriended Charles Barkley
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: and gave him these ear rings, and this was his answer.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Now he won't get in my way the rest of
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: the series. What's twenty thousand dollars to me? Charles thinks
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: we're good friends? Now I hate that fat fuck it
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: so dark, it's so crazy dark. It's like, how might
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: beat him? Anyway? How would that have played? Now? With
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Twitter and Facebook? It would have been a joke. There's
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: no way he would have said that. Now, it wouldn't happen. Yeah,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: it just straight up wouldn't happen. But the fact that
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: he said it then even completely bat baffling, blows my mind.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: But for the record, he scored fifty five points in
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: that game. Well, it's not because Charles Barkley was so
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: obsessed with those diamond earrings that he's like, let him
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: have his points. Yeah, come on, we're way past that
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: with these guys. Like that level of competitiveness is so
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: far in the rear view, right, Like it's just strange
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: to me that that Jordan feels like he needs to
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: do this. Yeah, right, But I also wonder if it
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: kind of worked, Like it's like that kind of head game. Yeah,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: maybe we just want it to work because Jordan. I
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: wish Jordan wore a microphone every game. No you don't,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: because you'd be horrifying. Yeah, he was one of the
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: legendary trash Talk him and Larry Yeah I used to.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the story now, but there are so
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: many great stories of the insane things he would say
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: to people, Like he would even like get in Reggie
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Miller's head, and Reggie Miller was the king yep at
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: trash Talk, loved it like he was a phenomenon. But
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: every time the Pacers played the Bulls, no dice, just
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: because Jordan was a mind fucker. Right, Yeah, it's interesting.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah maybe that worked. Maybe maybe this did work. It's
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: just such a long like for for what for three
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: games so you can beat him in three games? You
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: put this pin of time into that. Yeah, And apparently
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: it started like mid season, like when they started like
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: being friends hanging out. This is why this story is
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: why I don't believe in the hangover game. Oh yeah,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: those two things are odds to me. Yeah, you know,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: like this is the story of a man who's so
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: obsessed that he'll put in hours and hours and hours
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: to get a slight advantage in the NBA Finals game. Maybe.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: And then the other person is a person who got
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: so drunk that he potentially risked his health and and
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: his and his finals career right because of a party. Yeah,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: those things don't add up to me. Yeah, And I've
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: just I've heard of him being a partier, but I've
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: never heard of him being an alcoholic, which not yet.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: If you're getting throw up drunk basically the day of
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: an NBA Finals game, you're kind of an alcoholic, right.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: That's like three hours before he stopped drinking at the
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: like or more recent to the game than that, right, Like,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: you don't get that sick a day later, right right now? Yeah? Anyway,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: that's a crazy story. That's fucking crazy. So the the
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: point of going through all these competitiveness stories in this
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: video is to set up this final Michael Jordan conspiracy
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: that we're going to cover, which apparently was first pushed
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: by a journalist named Shay Serrano. And what Shae Sarano
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: claims is that Jordan, during his time in the front
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: office for the Washington Wizards and the Charlotte Bobcats, would
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: sometimes sabotage his own team if it meant he could
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: keep Kobe or Lebron from winning another championship. I love
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: the possibility of this. I love the possibility, and I
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: love that every trade in question was very lopsided and
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: did not benefit the Bobcats or the Wizards whatsoever. Yeah,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, okay, I want to You should get it
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: all out before I say anything. Yeah. The first trade
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: they bring up is in two thousand and two, Rip
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Hamilton is playing for the Wizards. It's his third season
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: and he's fucking dominating. Yeah, twenty points a game or something, right, Yeah, yeah,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: lot and Jordan just up in trades Rip Hamilton to
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the Detroit Pistons for Jerry Stackhouse. And Jerry's a good
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: player at that time, he was a good player, but
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: by that point in his career, like he'd been at
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: it for a while. And it's a weird pick. For
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Jordan from a competitive standpoint, Well, maybe that that was
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: part of it too, because there's a really famous story
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: where Jerry Stackhouse when he first got in the league,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: he'd been in the league a couple of years, and
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: he just kind of offhanded said in an interview that
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: no one in the league can hold him on defense,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: and like basically just hinting that he is the best
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: player in basketball right now. And a couple days later,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: they play the Bulls and all of a sudden, Jordan
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: is guarding Jerry Stackhouse now, and of course he gets
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: fucked and Stackhouse scored like twelve points and Jordan put
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: like forty points up on him, because that was Jordan,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: That's Jordan, And the shrug game was exactly the same thing.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Like somebody wrote an article about maybe Clyde is better
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: than Jordan, right because he can shoot threes, and Jordan
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: put up thirty five points and he first six threes.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah in the first half. Okay, got it. Fucking love Jordan.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: How can you not love it? It's so good. And
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: so he could have also been like, well, I don't
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: want Stackhouse to win a fucking championship, So if I'm
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: gonna trade Rip Hamilton. For anyone, it's gonna be him,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: and he sends Rip Hamilton to the Pistons, and sure enough,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the Pistons go on to beat the Lakers in the finals,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: keeping Kobe from winning that sixth ring. I'm gonna come
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: back to this, but that's the first part of this theory, right.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: The second questionable trade happens in twenty ten when Jordan
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: is I think at this point he was with the Bobcats. Yeah,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: I think at this point he owns the Bobcats and
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: just a GM. He traded Tyson Chandler to the Dallas Mavericks.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: And the Mavericks at the time were good, but they
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: really really really needed a center. Who'd they get back
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: the Bobcats. Yeah, a bunch of fucking scrubs. There were
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: no big name players where any of them blue chip
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: players or had potential or anything, I don't think. So
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna look, I'm gonna look this up. Well, you
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: keep talking about it just to just because that was
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: that was the thing. It was like, I want to
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: know more of the details of this trade, right, So
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna look it up. And so they He trades
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Tyson Chandler to the Mavericks, and they go on to
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: beat Lebron in the NBA Finals, thus keeping Lebron from
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: winning another ring. That was the greatest finals that I
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: ever watched. That was not a Lakers Finals for me. Yeah,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: like because I hated that Heat team so much. I
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: wanted that Heat team to lose so much. Yeah, I
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: didn't hate on that because of the way Cleveland reacted.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: That made me hate that Heat team less the way
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Cleveland Lebron leaving, Well, their owner is the worst. Dan Gilbert,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: He's yeah, don't post your open letters in comic sans
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: he fuck face. He's just He's just a child. Yeah, big,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: big baby. Let's see. He canceled a trade this in
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: twenty ten, Michael Jordan cancels Jose Calderon for Boris Dio
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: and Tyson Chandler trade between Bobcats and Raptors. That is
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: not what we want to talk about. Keep going well.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Boris diaw is actually the third example of Jordan doing
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: something that doesn't necessarily benefit his team in an effort
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: to keep Lebron or Kobe from winning a title. In
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: twenty eleven, he just cut Boris Diaw right. He didn't
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: trade him he just fucking cut Boris Diaw, who was
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: a big part of that Spurs team that went on
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: to coming off the bench to beat the Calves. Yeah, yeah,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: he was coming off the bench. But like a seventh man.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you're like if you have a really like the
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: NBA has a sixth man award for that very reason.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: They definitely do, and Boris Diaw was kind of that
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: sixth man. Boris dl played so well in that fun
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, it was like that again. It
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: was like that Mavericks year that you're talking about, which
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: is twenty eleven. I want to say it is when
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: JJ Berea suddenly was a fucking All Star. Right, It's like,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: who the hell's this guy? Never even heard of him before?
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Suddenly he's you know, able to stop fucking Dwayne Wade.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: How's that happening? Yeah? And that in twenty eleven, that's
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: when Boris Diau goes to the Spurs and the Spurs
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: end up beating Lebron in the finals. And that's that's
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: kind of the crux of this conspiracy that this Shay
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Serrano writer put out is that Jordan really values his
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: legacy and does not want Kobe or Lebron to catch him,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: especially in terms of NBA championships, and so has from
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: time to time, in his role as general manager, made
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: trade specifically to keep Lebron and Kobe from winning. All right,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: So I strongly disagree with this one strongly, all right,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: but this, to me is the first conspiracy theory that
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: is born entirely out of his Hall of Fame speech.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: This is this is fallout. This conspiracy theory is fallout
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: from him finally revealing to the world publicly I'm a
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: piece of shit. Yeah, this would not exist at all.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: It'd be like Jordan is a bad GM, is what
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: the narrative would be. Yeah, because he has a bad GM,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I can agree on that. You know, Like he's the
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: guy who brought in Dwight Howard last year. It's like,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: how many fucking people need to tell you don't bring
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: in Dwight Howard he's a cancer. Well he didn't learn
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: that lesson. Yeah, Jordan sucks at GMing. That's what this is.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Jordan's bad at it, you know, like most of these
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: guys are bad at it. But what if he got
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: into GMing just for that reason? You know, what if
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: he did I'm gonna go with this theory. I'm gonna
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: go with it. If he did, then that that suggests
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: that he was able to see that Rip Hamilton would
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: be in two thousand and two was the key ingredient
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: to be a Laker team that was about to four
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: pete with Shaq, Kobe, Carl fucking Malone who can still
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: be yeah, Gary Payton who could still play, Derek Fisher,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: who was at the top of his game, Rick fucking Fox,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: like that, Rip Hamilton is the guy that takes that
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: team down. No, that's that's insane because you're not worried
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: about Kobe in two thousand and two. You're worried about Shack.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Shack's who you're worried about in two thousand and two.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Kobe's like, I'll deal with him later, you know, Like
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: he's not. That's my opinion. Yeah, And I mean it's
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: not It's not a thing we'd ever be able to prove. No,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love the idea of Jordan fucking
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: deep Seed thinking this through and like dropping a time
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: bomb and on the Pistons. I fucking love that. I
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: hope it happened. Yeah, that would be. It would be
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: so amazing if this was true, Oh my god, like
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I want it to be. But just to stop Kobe. Yeah,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, I especially the part where it worked. Yeah,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: because well that'll be only won five championships, right, and
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: how many Lebron's won. Lebron's won three three. Yeah, he's
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: won two with the Heat and one with the Cavs. Yeah,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: he's been to the finals eight fucking times, like a row,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I think it might be more, might
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: be nine. It's a lot. He's been eight in a row,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: but I think he's been to nine or ten total.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: You can't even imagine that. That's a whole lot. That's
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: fucking crazy. But he's never gonna catch Jordan, if Jordan
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: has anything to do with it. No, I mean how
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: long how long do you think Lebron has left? Five years? Five? Five,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: six years? I don't think he's gonna win a championship
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: with the Lakers next year. No, not next year. No,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, unless they can get Kawhi Leonard, that's gonna happen.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: But I don't know that. I don't think even that
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: team's good enough to beat the Warriors. Yeah, that war
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: team has to start tailing off. Which it will because
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: that's just what happens. Well, a bunch of them are
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: free agents after next year, too, I believe. Yeah. I
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: mean a team, a team basically has like four or
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: five years, Like that's the window when you get the
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: big contender together. And that's what happened in two thousand
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: and two is that Lakers team had won three times. Yeah,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: and Shack and Kobe Wane getting along anymore, and you know,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: people were there to ride rings and they got arrogant. Yeah,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: and they lost to a team that was hungry. Yeah.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I wish the NBA would embrace smaller market teams a
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: little more because that's one of my favorite things about
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: football is you never know who's gonna win the Super Bowl.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: That every year three teams that are bad or two
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: or three teams that are bad are contenders. Yeah, Like
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: just like that, they just jump. Yeah. That happens in
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: the NFL every year, and it's always a great story.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: It really. I'm always happy when an underdog wins in
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: the NFL. But there's something about the NBA. I think
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: they they kind of low key put it out there
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: themselves where it's like, man if the finals was like
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Sacramento and Charlotte. I'd be like, oh, do we have
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: to watch this now? Even though I would hate that?
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah you want that? No, I wouldn't. I mean, but
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I also stars they have because best ball is so
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: much more star driven, yeah than uniform driven in my opinion. Yeah,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: like everyone's Lebron probably didn't lose a lot of fans
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: going to La No, even though he totally should. That
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: should be like a devastating thing for his career as
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: a player. Everyone be like, fuck you, yeah, you know
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: he went to the Lakers, the fucking Yankees. You go
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: fuck yourself, you know, But it doesn't matter because it's Lebron. Yeah,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: you know. I think the NBA just has that advantage,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: and that's why Sacramento and Charlotte is a boring series. Yeah,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: that's a problem for the NBA, though. They got to
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: figure that out because that's I think that's where a
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: lot of the allegations that they rig games come from. Yes,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: because there was a game in the Western Conference Finals
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: this year. I think it was Game six, where it
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: was really looking like the Warriors were gonna lose, and
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: then they come out in the third quarter and all
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, they lighted up. Houston is getting called
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: for the craziest bullshit fouls and Steph Curry is just
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: punching motherfuckers on the way to the rim and not
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: getting called for anything, and people are like, what the fuck?
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: This is so blatant, But it's like, what can you do?
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I mean the NBA also has had more than one
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: scandal where a referee yah was in fact changing calls
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, Tim donaghe went to prison for fifteen months,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: So they're always going to have that, Yeah, in the
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: same way that baseball is sensitive about cheating after the
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Black Sox, right, and they're always going to be because
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: it's like, well it happened here once. Yeah, it's kind
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: of harder to cheat in the NFL. Yeah, there's so
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: much camera stuff, like everything's reviewed, right, you know, it's
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: harder to cheat. I just want to go through the
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: rest of these just so that's my opinion on the
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: two thousand and two one. This Tyson Chandler one is
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: to me the most intriguing of all of them, cause
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I yet because like Tyson Chandler in twenty ten was
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: a very good player, right, I understand that if maybe
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: you can't build around him, he's not a top player, right,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: so I but like sending him to the Mavericks when
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Dirk's in his prime is insane. Why would you send
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not in your conference, but like, yeah,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: it was. It gave him to a good team. A
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: weird trade that they didn't get that much. That's the
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: thing with all of these trades, they don't get that
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: much in return. Like Jerry Stackhouse for Rip Hamilton, that's
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: not a good deal at that point. No, in Jerry
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Stackhouse's career, like bits and Pieces for Tyson Chandler in
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: twenty ten is like, I mean, yeah, Tyson Chandler's not
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: a world beater, but like he's a solid NBA player, right,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: And he was like what the number two or three
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: player on that Mavericks team. Yeah, and he was, you know,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons they ended up winning at he
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: was defending the rim. You know, you couldn't get in there,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: and like, yeah, he stopped the Heat from playing their game.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: That one feels more like I can see Jordan being like,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: I gotta stop Lebron because he just formed that super
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: team and like Lebron's a legitimate threat. Yeah, you know,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: that makes more sense what about cutting Boris d how
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I think that's crazy. There's no fucking way anyone could
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: ever do the math mentally that it takes to convince
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: me that Boris d L two years later was going
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: to be a key ingredient for the Spurs beating the
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Lebron's heat. That's possible to me. That's like, that's like
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Trump's tariffs somehow end up benefiting us and that makes
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: him a genius. No, no, no, no, it was. I don't
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: care if it works out. Nope, he's a crazy person. Yeah,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: the the cutting Boris Diaw was weird. I mean it's
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: weird either way. I think he's a bad GM. Yeah,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, we had a bad GM over here.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Because here's the other thing. He's so competitive, Like, why
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: wouldn't that extend to him wanting to make his Like
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: you'd think he would be competitive as a GM and
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: want to win championships in that capacity as opposed to
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: trying to stop Lebron and Kobe from winning as many
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: as he did. They're not gonna it's in this NBA.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Lebron has done incredible things and he's not even closed.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: He's halfway. Yeah, to Jordan's legacy in terms of championships,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: and it will matter in the end of the day.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, because like Lebron lost so many times,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Jordan never fucking lost, right, Jordan never lost in the finals.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: It's like, well even once you know, that's that that
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: has to count. I would say Jordan's competitiveness is why
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: he's a bad GM, because he can't he's not patient enough,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: and he's not he doesn't he's not good at relating
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: to other people, which is kind of what a GM does. R.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: A GM's kind of like a call guy on the phone. Hey, Sam,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I want to trade you this guy for that. He's
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: like one of those guys, you know. Can you imagine
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Jordan doing that? No? Yeah, probably not. That's why he's
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: bad GM. Yeah, you know, it's like I don't know
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: exactly why Jerry West is so good, because because Jerry
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: West is a great and he's supposedly every bit as competitive.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know how he's the exception of the rule,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: but I know he is the exception. Yeah, that's interesting.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Players make bad GMS, like historically for sure. Yeah, that's
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: what you hear all the time. Yeah, like John Elway
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: and Denver, Right, now I don't think he's doing he
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: was that that Peyton Manning decision paid off though, right yeah,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: And he had to get the hell away from that
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Tebow thing, right too. Like I love Tebow. That was
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: the greatest year of sports ever. Oh, come on, how
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: could you hate it? It was like people hated it.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: People were very mad at but he kept miracling wins.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: It was so good. Yeah, and it was so funny
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: and like, and I was a Steelers fan and I
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: got hosed by that at the end of the year.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: It was really bad, but I loved it. But if
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: you're fucking John Elway, You're like, I gotta get away
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: from this Tebow thing. I have to because I'll never
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: know if I'm gonna win a football game. Yeah, And
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: even getting rid of Jay Cutler was probably was Elway
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: was still there GM. I think he inherited the Tebow situation. Oh,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: like yeah, around, Like he was the one that had
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: ended up having to play Cutler because at that time
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: they had or he ended up having to play TV
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: because they had Kyle Orton. I want to say it
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: was their quarterback. I mean he's still alive, but not really. Uh,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: he wasn't good enough and they basically had to play
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: t bow. Yeah, because they had to find out what
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: they had. And then he was good enough that they
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: couldn't cut him unless they signed Peyton Manning. Yeah, genius. Yeah,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: so I guess I take it back, sorry, John Lway
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: or he's been bad since then. Yeah, and he's probably
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: kind of an asshole. Oh how could he be a guy?
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: How could he be a good guy? Yeah? How could
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: that happen? Yeah, no way, no chance. So that's that's
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: the episode. Yeah. I don't think this theory is as
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: compelling as say, the retirement thing. That was definitely true. Yeah,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: the retirement thing, I buy the flu game not being
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: the flu. I buy that it wasn't the flu. I
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck it was. And him keeping
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: free agents away, I believe that. Yeah. I think that's
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: like half half in half. It's we know he hated
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: his owner, we know, like he said that at the
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame speech again, like that's the Rosetta stone
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: for Jordan, Like that fucking Hall of Fame speech that
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: goes on and on is like, oh this is I'll
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: never see you a different way again after that? Right, Yeah,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: So if you want your Jordan Vision ruin forever. Go
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: watch that. Go watch that Hall of Fame. You will
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: never forget it. You're like, oh, you're awful, You're really awful.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: My god. So that's uh, that's the episode. Yeah, everyone, Uh,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: go out and check out those Mike Corzamba videos. I
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: think you find him a click, find him entertain and
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: give him. Give him some traff that's short for traffic,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: what we call it in the industry. He needs to
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: tell he buys his way out of that gray scale
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: basement he's working. Yeah, get Mike Krzamba an apartment of
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: his own, get him a microphone to speak into all
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: of those things, an editor, give him all the things. Yeah. Uh,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: this is a Patreon on the episode, So you don't
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: have to subscribe to anything you already do, baby. Uh.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think I have anything to plug Adam I.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: I co host a podcast on the Small Beans network
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: called One Upsmanship with Mike Swain. You can find me there.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at the real gans.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: For those of you who are really intrigued, you can
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: find my video work at ganzerfilms dot com. Uh more
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: to come very nice. Yeah, all right, thanks again for
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: doing this. Appreciate it, and I'm looking forward to having
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: you on the Sports Very podcast. I almost said sports
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: cod sports horse, sports horse. I love it. I hope
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: you take like just we always smoke cigars when we
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: do this. Yeah, we should listen. It's upstairs. We can
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Panama hats. Yep. I'm way into it. All right, let's
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here, Adam say goodbye, audios,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: goodbye everybody. We love it. People of