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Trapped in the Dunya (Deen & Money) · After Maghrib 🌙

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Do you feel like you are trapped also?
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But do you actually feel like that day-to-day?
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Do I? I feel like I can be deceived by
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this world, but I never feel trapped.
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By oh, we are trapped. Technically we are, but how
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Trapped. What do you mean by trapped we?
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Have to discuss it? Slamu Alaikum?
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Guys, welcome back to another episode of Aftermath.
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Hope you're having a beneficial month, the holy month of Rajab
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insha'allah with the wiladad and of course the shahadat of say
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the Zainab Salaam Allahi Alihar which was a few days ago.
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And of course this being such a spiritual blessed pious month,
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we are starting to begin our preparations for the holy month
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of Shahar Madan. We are sowing the seeds of
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spirituality. The month that's going to come
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up Insha'allah, Rajab, Shahaban and then of course Shahar Al
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Madan. These are three months where our
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connection with Allah Spontahallah has to be 100, 10%.
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So we're going to be on a mission in Charlotte between now
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and of course either the fit of to try our best to connect
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ourselves and hopefully yourselves with our last pong to
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Allah. So we're going to start with
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this conversation on the Dunya. Now this might feel like a
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cliche conversation, but I really want you to stay focused
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because when we step back and take a long look at ourselves,
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we're constantly deceived by the dunya.
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Some may even say we're trapped in the dunya.
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And maybe there are times there are situations day-to-day, where
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we're so engrossed, so infatuated with our worldly
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responsibilities, our worldly desires, that we even come to a
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point where we don't even acknowledge that we're putting
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our dunya first and our arkhara may not even be second.
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It may not even be in the picture at all.
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So this is a conversation definitely worth having.
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And as always, I'm honoured to be joined my by my favorite Co
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host, my only Co host, the only Co host I'll ever You're going
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to hold me to that one day?
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Sha Allah, never resign. We'll get fired.
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Who knows? You know we have.
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We never talk about how long or what the end goal is of after
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Mogadam. The end goal is Jenna and sha
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Allah the. Destination Jenna.
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Well, it starts here and this temporary wall and inshallah we
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can see to the Hereafter. Shallah Allah gives us 100 year
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lives each. Inshallah Allah yeah that mean
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we're going to do after Mogadam each week until until then got
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another like 3000 to go. You can't say no.
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You don't know. You really don't know.
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Allahu, allahu, allahu Alam. Everything is in Allah's hands
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and and Charlotte, we work to please him in this one.
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It's hard work, you know, people ask, is it hard filming every
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week? It is hard filming every week
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because we have to put things aside.
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We have to make provisions, we have to schedule and all of
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that, you know? And there comes that point where
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it's like, what are we doing it for?
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Because it's very easy to get caught up in the, in the, in
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like just the scheduling and the production of it, Do you know
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what I mean? We're just producing content for
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the sake of it. We always have this conversation
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behind the scenes, do you know what I mean?
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But then we think about the big picture.
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It's like, no, we're doing this for a reason, to serve our
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debates in the Muslims of our last month, Anna.
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And we've got to handle our community with us who are part
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of the journey. So it's, you know, we have to
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keep in mind ourselves with it. Well, handle us.
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So long as that goal exists and the intention remains in
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Charlotte. Sincere.
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Yeah, we can shall hit the seven heavens, God willing, God
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willing. Charlotte.
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I have a question. Go on.
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I know you've had a very busy week prior, especially this week
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as well. Yeah, I some there's rumors that
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you've shut down the Internet. I don't know what's happening,
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but come on bro, I hope you're not creating fit now there.
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Just trying to serve, trying to do my thing.
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Umbrella. Yeah, I don't even know what to
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say. There's nothing to say.
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There's nothing to say. Maybe I shouldn't have shared on
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the podcast. Those who don't know, Yeah,
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yeah, no, We've been planning this conversation for a while,
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saying we had a amazing conversation last week with Sir
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Mohammed Hassan and talking about Amirabat Minin, we talked
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about the way we want to emulate his life and just not even just
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emulate him, but, you know, be Charla comparable to the 7th of
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the 7th of a minimal minion, as you say, a lot.
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And yes, that's our goal in Charlotte, to be to be amongst
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them. So I wanted to just start with
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your permission with something I found earlier today.
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Permission denied. From.
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Granted. Granted.
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From none other than Nacho Balaga, the peak of eloquence,
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which we have so many gems from, says, Remember that this world
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that you covet so ardently and attempt to acquire so honestly,
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and sometimes which annoys you and sometimes pleases you so
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much, is neither your home nor is it a permanent destination.
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You've not been created for this world, nor invited to it as your
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resting place. It shall neither remain with you
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forever, nor will you remain in it eternally.
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If it's enticed you away with its charms, it has also warned
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you and cautioned you of the real dangers lurking in its
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faults. Take account of the warnings
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that's given you, and do not be seduced or deceived by its
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allurements. Let these warnings frighten you
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from being too greedy to possess it.
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Try to advance towards the place where you're invited for eternal
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bliss and turn your face away from the vicious world.
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But that is like hard hitting words.
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Do you know what I mean? And when we think about these
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words for me and what many, he talks the way he talks about the
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world. It's like a a wild animal, a
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snake or like some, you know, something lurking in in the
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grass or the bushes which can come out and just devalued.
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You know what I mean? If we're not cautious and we're
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not aware why we're there and how to avoid being trapped.
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So I think that's a really nice place to start because the
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concept of being trapped in the Dunya we were talking about
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before the podcast and whether we are trapped at all or not.
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Oh, I mean, we, we sort of briefly touched on this just
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before we started the conversation.
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And I think, and I think Emir Al Momini and he said I'm here,
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he's telling us basically be careful of the deception you
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find in this world and you ask a question, you know, can we be
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trapped in the studio? I think we can be without us
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knowing that we're trapped. Because, you know, we get so
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tight down and we're always busy trying to work hard, trying to,
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you know, earn a living, make some money, get rich without
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training, not $0.50, don't, don't take out our context.
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But there's people that live that lifestyle well, all they
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see is money on the build so much wealth and just get rich,
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just spend it and they forget there is there is a hereafter.
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So I'm not going to say that is their purpose where they wish to
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ignore the other world, but I think you can get easily
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deceived to forget that there is a Archa.
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OK, so that's what gets true. Let's talk about money, because
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we all love money. But maybe that's a problem.
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But is it a problem? Because loving money is fine.
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But loving money for money to protect you, money to advance
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you, money to provide for you, That is.
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Stay with me. It's on the brink of shark, If
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not shark entirely, in my opinion, because it's it's
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entrusting your your sanctity and your safety with a material
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possession and intangible concept, an asset which you can
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earn but you can never keep. Do you know what I mean?
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Something that you can't take with you in the Arkala, right?
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So but you know, like someone might save.
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Like, no, I'm not a greedy person.
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I'm not trying to get a Bugatti and like a mansion and whatnot.
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But maybe there are ways which we're we're striving towards
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money. Like we'll have money LED goals
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but not even consciously think about it.
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So let me ask you a question. If I, for example, wanted to
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earn enough money to take my family on holiday to Marbella or
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like to, you know what I mean? Like Australia, where Morocco.
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Yeah, say much to Mar. I said have you been to Morocco?
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Said one day. Charles, Charles, last place.
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Have you been the same? I have with the family.
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I have with the. Family most of all?
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Yeah, most of all with the family.
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I don't know why he need me to repeat that.
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So anyway, but like, is that? Is that a worldly goal?
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I don't think there's anything wrong with that goal, right?
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Because, look, the way you treat money, I think, can determine
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whether you are going to be deceived by it or allow it to
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control you, or you control the money itself.
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And in some people they let the money control them.
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And some people they choose wisely how and when and to whom
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and to where they spend the money on, right?
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Because you can go earn a living.
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Look. Alas, Pano Matala, we don't see
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him anywhere condemning someone to go earn a living.
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It's impossible to find talk about, you know, don't go and
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make money, you know, just have enough to eat.
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We don't find any narrations like this whatsoever.
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That's all. I think the important thing is
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when you go to work and make that money, there's nothing
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wrong spending it on your own family.
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There's nothing wrong spending it on improving.
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You know, 'cause everyone wants to live like a life of dignity.
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I was telling you, you know, go live a life of poverty.
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In fact, the alibi speak against this.
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They tell you stay away from poverty.
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I've read narrations by the Alibi Alim Salaam, where they
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say someone who dies on poverty, in poverty is one of the worst
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forms of death. I mean, I don't know the meaning
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that whole tafsir behind this, this narration, but it tells you
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that in a way they're sort of telling us, try to work towards
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getting yourself out of poverty. They're not saying go get rich.
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I'm not telling you go make millions and millions of pounds
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and dollars and durhams and dinars, whoever is.
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No, just make a halal living where you can live your life.
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You know you can serve a purpose, you can build and raise
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a healthy and inshallah right as family.
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And you have the best of both faults and your money.
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You can either choose it to spend it towards halal.
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There's nothing wrong with it. Go on the holidays with your
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family, absolutely nothing wrong with it.
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In fact, I think it refreshes the mind and it brings the
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family closer together 100%. It's beautiful as well.
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We've all been on holidays. Well, at the same time, if
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you're always going to spend your money on family holidays,
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don't forget and don't neglect. You can spend those money on
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Ziara. You can spend those money on
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your family to hide you an umbrella, for example.
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You can choose the best of both worlds.
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Because they can always be two extremes.
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You have to balance. You have to balance.
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Because the the the either extreme of money or wealth is
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when you are extremely rich. You have so much money that you
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become extravagant to the point where you are spending money on
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things you don't need. Yes, the the richest countries
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in the world or the countries that spend the most may also be
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the most wasteful. The wealthiest country in the
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world, the United States of America, is also the most
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wasteful country in the world. You know I read a statistic
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earlier, the USA spends $20 billion a year on Valentine's
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Day. Valentine's Day which is
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obviously a corporate, commercialized material
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capitalist occasion which has no relevance or place or bearing in
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in western society or real society or or you know or in in
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Islamic values at all. And then on the extreme other
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extreme when you're in extreme poverty, you're at risk of also
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doing Haram because you're at risk of of falling into such a
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position where you do things like thieving you, you do
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immoral things to earn money. There are so many extreme risks
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on both ends. Do you know there's a hadith in
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middleman alayhi Salaam. I think we're going to keep
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coming back to Middleman and Salaam because of course in his
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life, you. Know why would you go anywhere
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else? Yeah, honestly.
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Yeah, he had as when he was. We talk about this a lot.
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But when he was, we mentioned it last week as well.
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When he was the the, when he had his khalafah, the four years in
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which he was the Caliph, he eradicated poverty for the
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Islamic Ummah. And Imam Hassan Ali Salaam was
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the Minister of Finance. Subhanallah for that, for the
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Ummah. So he had a perfect economic
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system. But you know, he talks about
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Zohud ascestasism, which is you know, I'm not going to try and
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define it because he actually does it.
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In this hadith he says Zohud is neither is not letting.
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Zohud is not not owning things, it's not letting things own you.
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Do you know what I mean? It's like the money.
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Either you control it or you allow the money to control you.
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Because a lot of people spend for happiness.
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But what's that phrase we all know?
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Money doesn't buy happiness. It.
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Doesn't. But there's people who actually
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believe that because they feel like, you know, if I can have
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all this money and all the wealth in the world, if I can do
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and spend on whatever I wish, I'll always be happy.
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In fact, I see the quiet, the opposite.
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I find a lot of people who handle that.
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They're very wealthy, but they don't have happy lives.
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They have miserable lives. Because the more money you have,
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I generally believe the more responsibility you have.
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And then you don't know where to spend it.
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How do you spend it? And sometimes you have so much
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money, you forget there's people out there who need some money.
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I remember if we're talking about us being Muslim here, you
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know, what are we doing with this money?
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Are we paying zakat? Are we giving charity?
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Are we just keeping it all for ourselves?
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And there's men out there, by the way, who go out to work and
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make minions. One like they don't even give
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the money to the family. They don't even spend on their
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spouse, even their children, just for themselves.
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Yeah, well, it's crazy. It is.
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Yeah, it's madness. Madness.
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Yeah, it was Speaking of of. I completely forgot I was going
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to mention a point. I'm.
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Just going to take a break. Just step aside for money for a
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second. Yeah, you know, being trapped in
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this, Dona, it's not just money. I think society traps you
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because you can be other known living, whether you are in
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Denmark, whether in the UK, whether in US.
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I'm going to say in the Western world, the Western society.
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It traps you into thinking there is only one way and like one
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goal and One Direction you must take to be successful in this
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life. Whether that is buying a dream,
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your dream home or, you know, driving or Rolls Royce or, you
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know, seeing the ads on the billboards of, you know,
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drinking and drugs and alcohol and parties and nightclubs and
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this goes, this is the life they teach you and they tell you
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embrace this. Dunya, yeah, this is what life
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is all about. And if you are not taking this
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path, you're missing out. Yeah, we fed that information
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through TV and media and in our schools.
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Bombarded constant. Every constant go, everywhere
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you look, you know, there's like drugs your mind drugs you with
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dopamine. When you go into a shop
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literally or when you're going online and you come across
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adverts of clothes that you like or shoes that you like.
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You also was over here, obviously part of the team you
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also remembers our spamming in pictures of shoes like a month
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ago. Like which one should I get?
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And then I looking back and I was like, why was I like, so I
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got the, I got a pair of shoes. I was like, OK, now what?
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Like, do you know what I mean? You know, you, you become
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drugged to a degree where you think, wow, this is sale lot, I
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need to invest. But let me ask you a question
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today, OK? Because the majority of the
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people in Charlotte who are listening are not like that.
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Like we're not. We're not yearning to buy our
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own yachts and to buy, like, 5 swimming pools.
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Why not? In Charlotte we are but like,
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but with. But my point being is like for
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me on a personal level of course, and I know you're the
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same. We both run our businesses.
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We both are men with two children we have.
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HMRC is not listening. Yeah, sorry, No, no, no, I said.
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Maybe HMRC is listening? This is what coming up first of
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Feb? Yeah.
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Oh my God. Day after tax day.
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So anyway, yeah, no. Look, the the majority of us are
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yearning to earn a living, but our end goal is comfort.
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So for me personally, I might say I want to earn to the point
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where I'm comfortable. I can spend more time with my
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family and I can put more money towards the community.
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I might have more time to go for Jamaat prayers at the mosque,
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whatever it might be. Do you see what I mean?
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But at times you may also feel like that's a rat race, there's
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a hamster or you're constantly running on.
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I know I'm working to earn more so I can be more comfortable and
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have more time. Allah hasn't given us time,
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eternity, you know. There there's no guarantee that
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we will live to the point where we become comfortable enough
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that we've earned enough to feel comfortable to spend more time
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with our family. I have a great friend of mine
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who I told you this on the phone earlier.
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He had a job offer, he was looking for a job and he had job
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offers, but all of the job offers were working from the
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office. He said no, I want a job which I
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can work from home so I can be with my kids.
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So he declined all of the job offers and he said I'm going to
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start my own business, I'm going to work from home so I can be
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with my children, but at the cost of not earning as much.
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So he prioritised his family in that situation.
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You may turn around or some may turn around and say, well he's
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going to suffer because he's earning less, but it comes down
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to how we value things. The key question is how do we
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value things? Because the majority of us
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aren't looking to become extravagant.
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So your friend here, he's basically understood that money
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does not buy you happiness. Accent.
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Yeah, if you can use him as an example, I think he found the
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greatest balance of being a father and being a husband and a
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family man. Yeah.
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And if if you want to live, make a make a make a halal earning,
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you know, bring that income home, spend on your family, on
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your food, on the clothes, whether you go out and or maybe
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some tuition classes, some sports classes, whatever you do
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with your kids, whoever it is, yeah.
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Yeah. You don't need to be
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extravagant. Yeah.
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And you reach a state where you say, you know, I'm happy with
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this. There's a roof over our heads.
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Our family are clothed, our family are eating, there's
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heating that's been turned on, for example, there is a car
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taking us from A to B. There is like the basics
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necessities of life. Why would you want more than
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that? If you can be content with that,
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Believe me, that is a very good stage to be in, in your life,
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Very, very good stage. When I when I say content, I
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don't mean don't go earn more money.
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Don't go try to work even harder.
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No, you have understood that this life, I don't need to chase
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more. What I have is enough.
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And look, we can chase this world as much as we want
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financially, OK? There's, like I said, there's
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other things that people chase in this world.
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Well, let's focus on money here. A loss of panel matala.
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He determines your risk. Your sustenance is determined by
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loss of panel matala, whether you go work for it or you don't,
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whoever Allah determines for you as your risk will eventually
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reach you. Yeah.
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There's many narrations about this.
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Very very true. So you can put in 100 hours, be
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away from your family always. Sometimes having to do Haram to
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earn a living. There's a lot of people who
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cheat the system so they can make some money.
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But eventually I lost one. Italia tells you I've
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discernment. I'm giving you 60 grand this
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year. Yeah.
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Why are you working so hard to earn an extra 65?
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Yeah, and you've lost half your life.
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Said, you'll know this as well, especially when you're in
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business. When you saw there will be times
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where you have luck. You know you have a big client
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come out of nowhere or you have a big sale of some sort and you
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have a lot of money that comes away out of nowhere unexpected.
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And there are times where you have costs that you don't
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anticipate. You know your car breaks down or
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you've got some sort of fees that you've got to pay.
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They say when it rains, it pours.
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When it rains, it pours. So like these things are not on
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our in our hand. If at the beginning of every
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year, January the 1st, we knew it across the year, we've got X
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money, anticipated costs that we're going to have
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unanticipated and we're going to also make money that we don't
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anticipate, you know then life would be a lot easier.
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But life is not about that. You know there's and and what's
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interesting you mentioned about spending time with the family.
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There was, if I'm not mistaken, A narration where a lady called
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Chola went to the Sulalla Muhammad Salallahu Salam and she
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said the other Sulallah, my husband, whose name was Othman,
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He he's so pious that he fasts during the day and he prays
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during the night. But then he doesn't spend time
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with me and my family, my children.
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Can you speak to him? So Aslam Muhammad went to him
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and he said, Othman what you're doing, I know it's for the sake
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of Allah, but if you're doing it to the point where you're
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neglecting your family, then you're you're Amal are not
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accepted. You know, and it just goes to
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show that you know, we can, you know, on one extreme.
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Work so hard that we neglect our solar, we neglect our CM, we
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neglect our family time, we neglect our responsibilities to
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the community, even financially. But then, on the other hand, we
20:32
have members of the community, albeit not many.
20:35
If I'm going to be really honest, maybe there are, but I
20:37
don't know who maybe are so pious, so spiritual, so
20:41
practicing that they neglect those around them.
20:44
We hear all the time stories of of the children of Olamar
20:47
sometimes who are neglected by their fathers or neglected by
20:50
their grandfathers or whatever because they're always at the
20:52
must jeers and was giving majalis and this and that.
20:55
And they say, well, they don't even spend time with me.
20:57
I know I have friends who who were in that situation as well.
21:01
So it's a very important balance.
21:02
Like you said, to strike up. The best blessing we have at the
21:05
end of the day is our family and all of the non material assets
21:09
we've been given, our health, our family, our Akkaden and our
21:13
liar. I believe in the minimum of
21:14
munin the but the path that Allah spant Allah has given us
21:17
is the biggest blessing. We die on that with Huck and
21:19
inshallah, where, where, where sorted.
21:22
What you're saying now, you know, it just gave me a memory
21:24
of it's not a hadith, it's not narration.
21:26
I don't know anyone thinks the narration it's a it's a quote by
21:28
someone not sure of his name where he says.
21:31
Malcolm X. Never get too busy making a
21:34
living. You forget how to live.
21:38
Yeah. And you, you, you forget that
21:39
you know, whilst you're so busy trying to work so hard.
21:42
Look, you can work hard, you know.
21:44
Here, here, we're trying to say you know, Allah is not telling
21:46
you don't go work. In fact you what going to work
21:49
is. I bother you know, there's rules
21:51
in this. OK?
21:53
I love living. Let me just make that clear.
21:55
But don't work too hard. Overwork yourself over, stress
21:59
yourself and bring so much pressure on yourself and on your
22:01
family. They forget to enjoy life, the
22:05
fruits of what's lawful for you, not be the fruits of this dunya,
22:09
the temporary ones, those that are lawful for you and inshallah
22:12
one that will help you take you towards the akhara.
22:15
Because this world we have to treat it Ahmed, as a bridge.
22:21
The work that we put here in this world takes us, Charlotte,
22:27
to the opera, and our aim is always gender.
22:30
And you're telling me you want to work so hard that you forget
22:33
to take yourself to gender. You work so hard that you don't
22:37
want to be in gender with your spouse and kids, for example.
22:40
And these people, they work so hard in this world.
22:43
They neglect their family. They work so hard in this world,
22:47
they neglect their community, They neglect their obligations
22:50
and the obligations to a loss of final work.
22:52
Because they're not living, say. There we always, by the way, we
22:54
always have an excuse. I always find people.
22:56
Sometimes I I fall in this myself.
22:58
You know, we're working, working, working, working.
23:00
So now time comes, OK, half an hour, another one hour and then
23:04
both time goes past. Next thing you know, bro's
23:06
almost other. Yeah.
23:07
Yeah, yeah. What are we doing nowadays?
23:09
Honest to God, what are we 3? 4 hour period in between.
23:12
Very difficult and this is this is I was speaking to one of the
23:17
guys in my office. Non-muslim guy.
23:19
We need to bring one of your office guys to this podcast.
23:22
They're full of stories. One of them is part of our
23:26
community actually listens to them.
23:27
Amazing. Anyway, one of the guys in the
23:30
office, you're saying to me that Ahmed, why do you guys?
23:32
Why'd you why'd you pray so closely together?
23:35
But earlier you weren't because of Salah.
23:38
Times change. And I tried to explain to him
23:40
the the, the timing between ISIL and Madreb is shorter than
23:45
anyway, I don't want to get into it.
23:47
So it kind of it kind of pointed out to me that, you know,
23:53
praying on time, obviously it takes its toll from our day in
23:56
terms of work. You know, you could argue not a
23:59
distraction, but disruption, for example, is probably a more
24:02
accurate word from your day. But it doesn't make a difference
24:04
in the grand scheme of things because like you said, your risk
24:06
is determined by loss. That money comes back to you.
24:09
You know, I remember when I got married or engaged, I had a a
24:12
brother who actually part of our friends circle and I remember I
24:17
was a young a young guy at the time and I said to him, how am I
24:20
going to afford to get married you're.
24:22
Still young? You're still young.
24:23
I was young, yeah. No, I said to him I was like,
24:25
there's a, it just hit me like, you know, I'm going to have to
24:29
share my wealth and this and that.
24:31
He said trust me, the minute you trust a lot, Allah will provide
24:34
for you, you know, And it just went to show.
24:37
But you know, there are people who, like you said, who are
24:39
working to live but not living, was the phrase that you said.
24:44
Don't forget. Yeah.
24:46
The quote by that man? Okay, Don't get too busy trying
24:50
to trying to. Make a living.
24:52
Don't get too busy making a living that you figure how to
24:54
live. Because then what happens is you
24:56
don't live, you exist, You're existing through life.
24:59
There. You're like you're you're a
25:01
static like being you know you wake up you have your breakfast.
25:05
You go work. You come home you have dinner
25:06
and sleep Carlos like you know you're working for what a two
25:09
days. It's like a two day weekend.
25:11
Yeah. Like there's there's no enjoy,
25:12
you're living. With no purpose.
25:14
Yeah, exactly. You're just.
25:15
Living to pay off your other nor your car loans, your mortgages
25:18
and your bills and your council tax.
25:20
Talk about parents. And we talked about spending
25:22
quality time with our children a lot.
25:24
You know, I've been trying my hardest to implement this is
25:26
that conversation. Practice while you preach.
25:28
Honestly, honestly bro, because there's you know there there's
25:32
so many things that I can come home and I can start scrolling
25:35
on my phone and all of these things, but that is being
25:37
trapped in the dunya, you know, it's being trapped in in these
25:40
devices and these in these apps that we have on our phone.
25:43
It doesn't do anything tangibly for us.
25:45
But at the same time I want to ask you a question, OK, moving
25:48
away from money, what are there's like rapid fire answers
25:52
that we can go through. What are other things that can
25:55
we can trap ourselves in, especially the build up things
26:01
that maybe we can stop doing or we can start doing more of.
26:04
I think it's. One of the biggest things that
26:08
Muslims face is this world of music we've spoken about many
26:14
times and we will continue speaking about it because it
26:17
just doesn't end any. Music is a habit that it's a
26:25
tool of shaytan, basically, and the fact that we're listening to
26:27
it, we are allowing ourselves to be deceived by its lyrics, by
26:32
its unlawful instruments, all of these things, they can change
26:34
our state of mind. And sometimes you can hear
26:38
certain instruments and music. It can change your mood, it can
26:44
elevate you, it can depress you. It can make you think about
26:48
negative moments. It can make you remember the
26:51
greatest of moments. It plays with you.
26:55
Yeah. And he went and and then I don't
26:57
know what, I don't know what I said in the background.
26:59
I don't know who that person is. But.
27:02
But music is truly harmful and they forget the instruments now,
27:05
now come to the lyrics if you are constantly listening to
27:09
this. So I can't mention lyrics here
27:12
on on on the podcast, but there's certain things out there
27:14
in this world. All they talk about is let's go
27:17
smoke the drugs, let's go drink the alcohol.
27:20
You know, let's let's go party with the girls.
27:23
It's all about Haram, Haram. Haram.
27:25
Haram. No.
27:27
No, no, no. We have that's.
27:29
Alternatives. I mean, we have, we have Quran
27:32
supplications. We have, you know, yeah, we have
27:35
Ziyarat, we have Latmayyat, we have Anashid.
27:37
We have the best of everything. And you're telling me when you
27:40
don't listen to this Islamic recitations, your heart and mind
27:45
doesn't find any ease. Your heart and mind doesn't find
27:47
any peace. It can take you closer to Allah
27:52
The moment you turn off music and stop listening to the
27:56
harmful BS that comes out from the sound waves.
27:59
Bro, You're going to realize there is more purpose in this
28:02
world than what you have given it, and that's aiming for the
28:06
next accent. Yeah, that's one habit, I would
28:10
say. And if we're trying, we're here
28:12
in the month of Rajib. We're trying to improve
28:16
ourselves eating up to Ramadan. The problem is, Ramadan's going
28:18
to come. Everyone's got a car of music,
28:21
so aid comes, everyone turns it back on.
28:24
What is the point? The worst thing is it's turning
28:25
back on because it's aid. You know in certain cultures you
28:28
when it's Eid day you have an Eid party, Some occasions you
28:31
have parties. They're good, I guess.
28:33
Huh. It's all it's all basically
28:36
drumming and dancing is what I'm.
28:37
Trying to say yeah, yeah, you have, you have, you have like
28:42
especially in like Indo, Indo pack cultures, you have certain
28:45
music which is played with instruments, flutes, guitars,
28:49
pianos, stuff like that, which is cultural, you know, because
28:53
it's an order with a bit of Arabic and they'll Chuck in like
28:56
a Yali Madad and this and that in some.
28:58
Of the makes it legit. Yeah, it's Okay.
29:02
There's a bit of a lot, a lot and that.
29:04
So it makes it all right. No, none of that.
29:06
That's not okay. Like it's not at the same time
29:08
like, look, don't get me wrong, Okay, we're not trying to be
29:12
holier than thou of course at the same time, because look,
29:15
we've been through it. Especially me.
29:16
I've talked a lot about my. Experience with music.
29:18
In the past, and I fully get it. And there are times where I also
29:21
come to it and there's others who will feel the same way I'm
29:24
sure. But at the end of the day, music
29:26
is a disease of the heart. It's a spiritual disease.
29:29
And the same way we could talk about many other spiritual
29:32
diseases and all of these diseases in the build up to
29:36
Shahad Al Mavan, we should be looking to cleanse the diseases
29:39
of the heart, the mind and the soul, you know.
29:42
And the music is one of those. It's it's Imam as Sujaddi Islam.
29:46
He talks about the ears being a a passage into the heart, you
29:50
know. And when he talked in the South
29:51
Al Haku, he talks about the right of the ears.
29:52
He says the ears are the passage into the heart, you know, the
29:55
culp. And it's not a literal, it's not
29:57
a biological statement. It's more so saying that your
30:00
your ears is what will affect your your nafs, you know, and
30:05
listening to the goodness of this dunya is what we'll take
30:08
you to Arkham, not listen to the filth of the dunya.
30:10
No, that's right. That's right.
30:12
And I want to ask you the same thing.
30:14
But just before I do, I want to mention something and then we'll
30:16
come back to this habits and how we can improve.
30:18
Let's say being in the month of Rajab.
30:20
We have a narration by Imam Al Baqar Ali Salaam Alam Salaam
30:24
Alaam Mohammed Ali Mohammed where going back to being in
30:27
this dunya, trying to find the balance.
30:30
Imam Al Baqar Ali Salaam. Look, he says.
30:32
The one who forsakes this world, or the Hereafter, or the one who
30:38
forsakes the Hereafter, for this world is not from us.
30:42
Really. What is he saying?
30:44
Balance. Hey your imam is telling you I
30:48
remember when ahil bait speak this is rasul Allah talking.
30:51
What rasul Allah is talking Sallallahu alaihi waliasallam is
30:53
coming from Allah and if these are all you know, divine people
30:57
chosen by God when they speak it's hodja for us.
30:59
They're telling you basically don't neglect this world because
31:03
you're just chasing the hereafter and don't chase the
31:06
hair after that you neglect this world.
31:08
They're telling you use this world to your advantage to take
31:13
you to the next and you take from this world what you need.
31:16
And I it just reminds me of a point.
31:17
We had Ahmed Siddiq. Well Ahmed Siddiq, we had the
31:21
during the month of Ramadan where he said something very
31:23
similar. It was Maharam.
31:24
It was like take from this world what you need.
31:27
Hey, your last panel to Allah is not telling You don't enjoy the
31:29
pleasures of Siddunya, but enjoy them correctly and what's lawful
31:33
to you. Now I'm saying you don't go
31:35
drive a Rolls Royce. You can't afford it.
31:37
You've paid off all your obligations.
31:39
Go drive a Rolls Royce. Who cares as long as you're not,
31:42
you know, neglecting everything else.
31:44
By the way, back to the back to our point when it comes to the
31:47
month of Rajab and trying to improve towards the month of
31:49
Ramadan. Now I want to ask you.
31:51
You've been asking me all the questions.
31:53
I've mentioned music as one example.
31:55
What is another example that I can learn to improve on and
31:58
maybe everyone else listening? This wouldn't apply to you, but
32:01
before the podcast we talked about relationships, talking to
32:04
the opposite gender, talking unlawfully to.
32:08
Why would you say it doesn't? Apply.
32:09
Say you're married, so I'm talking about those who are
32:12
speaking to non Maharam. Do you know what I'm saying?
32:14
People who people who are married will have conversations.
32:18
Not you, Charlotte. Not.
32:19
You. I'm talking about people who who
32:21
will fall into this trap, but it can't be anyone.
32:23
OK, so I'm talking about liking pictures of the opposite gender,
32:26
liking stories, replying on DMS, the second look.
32:31
You know, even the first look is not ideal, but you know what I
32:33
mean. So going past the point of of
32:36
what is necessary. The first look is not ideal.
32:38
What it's lawful for you? It's lawful, yeah.
32:40
But like even when you know, don't extend the look and you
32:43
know that. But my point being is.
32:44
Lower that gaze. Lower the gaze, yeah, and and
32:47
for the sisters as well. And the Holocaust tells us,
32:49
Yeah, for the sisters, make sure you preserve your modesty and
32:53
for the brothers to lower the gaze.
32:55
And that's an important and incumbent and a necessary
32:58
instruction that Lost Pantal has given us, especially in the
33:01
build up Shahram Milan. And there are times when in
33:04
Shahram Milan, of course, you're restricted from doing so many
33:07
things. One of those is the fasting of
33:09
the eyes, making sure that you're not looking at something
33:12
you shouldn't be looking at. So that could be looking at
33:15
someone walking in the street. It could be watching something
33:17
on TV, which is not beneficial to you.
33:20
It could be something on your phone, It could be anything but
33:24
the point being, and it could even be time wasting, like, you
33:26
know, playing games on your PS5 or on your phone or whatever.
33:30
But the point being is that you're not using your eyes in an
33:33
inappropriate manner, specifically when it comes to
33:35
the opposite gender. Because that that does not help
33:38
you, doesn't help your heart or your soul.
33:41
I also want to mention something that we talked about, especially
33:43
what you mentioned about taking from this world.
33:46
I agree with that. I I fully and wholeheartedly
33:48
agree with that. There are studies which have
33:51
been shown that when it comes to food in particular, yeah, they
33:56
did an experiment, kind of or a case study on people who were
34:02
given a choice of 10 different delicious meals versus people
34:07
who are given two options only. And they asked them to eat as
34:10
much as they want, have as much food as they want.
34:13
And after, to rank their satisfaction and happiness,
34:16
those who had the option of 10 different plates, 10 different
34:18
meal options, were less satisfied than those who had
34:21
two. I don't know if you felt the
34:22
same way. I always had this thing.
34:24
When I go to a buffet, I'm like, yeah, I'll try this, this, this
34:26
and this. I'll try a bit of everything.
34:28
By the end of it, I'm like, yeah, it tastes really good, but
34:30
I don't feel content. In fact, it happened to be last
34:33
week's panel. I was at a wedding.
34:35
It was like amazing Marshallah Iraqi food.
34:37
I had a bit of everything. By the end of it I go home, I
34:40
was like, I'm, I don't know why I feel hungry or I feel, do you
34:43
know what I mean? You don't feel content or?
34:44
Something the problem is you ate with your eyes.
34:46
Yeah, you eat with your eyes and you know that's Islam has had
34:51
has guidance on everything. There's moderation in everything
34:53
when it comes to food. It's the same thing.
34:55
We shouldn't overindulge to the point where we eat away our
34:59
faith. You know, speaking about food, I
35:01
think one day we should have a conversation about the
35:03
etiquettes of eating. You know, there's so much in,
35:06
in, in, in, by, from the sun of Ras al Allah, Ali, Wali, Salem,
35:11
just when it comes to eating. But that's a separate
35:13
conversation. But you know, here we are, you
35:16
know, approaching inshallah not too far away from the mouth of
35:20
Ramadan. A lot of us will be abstaining
35:22
from eating because we're fasting and food is a big thing,
35:24
a very, very big thing. You know, we can start that from
35:27
now. Like I had a lecture in a couple
35:31
of weeks ago around the time of with Fatimam Joadley slump and
35:36
there was a the the speaker mentioned about fasting in the
35:40
month of Rajab. He talked specifically about
35:43
using the month of Rajab to do a minimum of three fasts.
35:46
This is the guarantee Paradise. Yeah, OK paradise is great.
35:50
Yeah, like yeah, inshallah we pray for paradise.
35:52
But the idea being is that you also prepare.
35:54
Yourself. I know this narration, can I
35:55
share it? It's by Imam Jafar Asad Khalil
35:57
Salams. And he was so lucky to have Imam
35:59
JA Jafar Asad Every time we read Karlasada Karasah, he's a
36:04
beautiful treasure, amazing treasure box for us.
36:06
And you know he goes in the month of Rajab.
36:08
And this is how significant Rajab is in the eyes of a last
36:11
final Tyler. He goes the one who fasts only
36:14
one one fast during the month of Rajab, what happens to him?
36:20
The distance of Hellfire and Johannam and him.
36:24
There exists a distance of 100 years of walking and you're
36:28
walking for 100 years. The Hellfire is going to be that
36:32
distant from you. That's just fasting.
36:34
One night. Wow, Three nights.
36:36
What happens? The imam says the one who fasts
36:39
3 nights during the month of Rajib, the doors of heavens
36:44
become wajib upon it. Yeah.
36:45
I mean, so I don't, inshallah we do enter paradise, but imagine
36:49
just having the glimpse or the scent of gender.
36:52
Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, that.
36:54
That's like in Charlotte, a dream come true.
36:56
Yeah. Destination.
36:57
Destination. I was.
36:59
I told you before the the podcast, I asked you to pick it
37:02
up between one and 30, 27 and you pick 37.
37:05
Remember because I found a list online that says you know you
37:07
are too attached to the Donya when and #37 was.
37:11
You don't ask for Jenna the same way you ask for the Donya.
37:14
That's such a good point because how many times do we firstly,
37:17
how many times do we go into surjud and ask the R?
37:21
Or how many times do we raise our hands and ask for the R like
37:23
that? In itself we don't do enough.
37:25
You know, understanding the power of the DAR in itself is a
37:29
bro. This is your communication with
37:31
our last spawn to Allah, Our last sent down the Qatar, the
37:34
Qatar Hakim for us, you know, for us to benefit from, that's
37:37
his spoken word to us. And we can respond with our
37:40
hands in the air to our last spawn, to Allah.
37:42
But when you raise your hands, or you bow your head into
37:44
sujood, and you ask our last spawn to Allah for the dunya,
37:47
remember to also ask for the Akhla.
37:49
Because obviously we're not guaranteed the next to to live
37:53
this in this world. And we, we are guaranteed to
37:55
enter the next life, whether that is for our benefit or to
37:58
our detriment, you know, to be seen, oh.
38:01
And you know the beauty of the art is that you raise your hands
38:05
and you know by you like imagine extending your hands to Allah.
38:09
Subhanahu Ta'ala. I I think automatically that
38:11
helps take away arrogance from you.
38:13
Yeah, it helps you know when you raise your hands in
38:15
supplications it takes away any ego or any power or or control
38:20
you think you have. Because you know, no matter what
38:22
authority you have in this world or allows, your not allows your
38:26
master. That's like a key theme.
38:28
You may be a king in this world but allows the king of kings.
38:31
And you know, here we are talking about asking for gender
38:34
the best to how we can ask. And every time we pray, don't
38:39
forget to pray this in simple. Words.
38:45
It's probably the best, you know that that key theme kind of kind
38:49
of coming towards the other conversation of this whole theme
38:54
of detachment from the dunya is ego.
38:56
Like you mentioned saying ego is probably the biggest banana pill
39:02
on the floor if you want to call it metaphorically.
39:04
It's something so easy for us to slip up on, you know, and we
39:07
hear the hadith is is the ego is like that of a black Ant on a
39:10
Black Rock and a black black knight.
39:12
It's so hard to spot the ego in the heart.
39:15
So our ego is something, which is it?
39:17
It needs to be examined and we need to do that.
39:20
Self accountability. I always talk about this to
39:23
regularly talk about our self accountability and try to spot
39:27
our ego to the point where we know whether we are fumbling or
39:32
not. You see what I mean?
39:33
If we have an ego, we're going to care about what people think.
39:36
I have an ego. What Car am I driving?
39:38
This guy might think I'm driving an old car.
39:40
I need to get a private number plate.
39:42
Yeah, which I I have my views. I've had one before.
39:45
Said, I'm not judging, but I can.
39:47
There are people who get a private number plate purely for
39:49
the sake of I don't want someone to know how many years old my
39:52
car is. You know for why spend £3000 on
39:56
a number plate? So so random guy doesn't know
39:58
who doesn't know you doesn't think you have an old car.
40:01
I I can't fathom that person needs to be and I know I'm in a
40:04
room with people with private. But nonetheless, you see what I
40:08
mean. So you know, these are things
40:09
which I feel like all come back to the ego.
40:12
It does. It does and and I think if
40:13
someone must have like a better understanding about anger hiring
40:17
as an ego, we have an amazing podcast with brother Yasir who
40:22
actually joined us on a conversation and well I you know
40:25
it made us understand why Shaitaan became Shaitaan.
40:29
It was his ego and and if we want to improve on Ramadan's
40:32
coming up, inshallah, the best time to listen to this podcast
40:37
is now. Prepare yourself to detach from
40:40
this world of so ego and I. Want to ask you?
40:42
OK, you know, on the on the finger of prayer, yeah, we're
40:47
saying like ego and pregnant prayer.
40:50
On the last Marvel movie, they were like about to crash the
40:54
helicopter and about to crash. What did they say before
40:56
crashing? There's a Pakistani guy in the
40:57
back of the plane. Yeah, the sun is not spraying.
41:01
And Nick Fury goes, why'd you stop praying?
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We need all the help we can hear.
41:05
That's the power of dua. Even Hollywood is going to tell
41:07
you. You turn back to your Lord.
41:09
When you're at sea and you call to Allah, spoon to Allah.
41:12
Even Nick Fury is calling to Allah.
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I'm prophesying what Nick Fury is there.
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Even those who don't believe in God, I guarantee you that if
41:20
they're on the plane and that plane is going spiral down
41:23
towards what they're going to say, Oh my God, God help me.
41:28
God help me. God save us.
41:31
Honestly, it's crazy. We all need a lot to save us
41:35
inshallah and guide us yeah towards our atoms.
41:37
Inshallah, inshallah. So, so I was going to say what
41:40
is our pledge? So what's I'm going to, I'm
41:43
going to put myself first on the line.
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OK, Inshallah, tomorrow I'm going to fast.
41:49
OK, so I'm, I'm, I'm going to fast tomorrow on the back of
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this conversation. Are you going to join?
41:56
Me. I'm in.
41:57
Yeah. Let's do it, Yeah.
41:58
Let's Miller. All right.
41:59
Safe. And we will put our afar afar I
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was. Going to say we'll.
42:05
Put our afar on you're. Going to put pressure on them.
42:07
This is it I. Was going to say, but I'm not
42:09
going to, I'm going to be at work, so what's my bar's going
42:11
to be a tuna sandwich or something.
42:12
So it's not going to be that that that exciting, but that's
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OK. Yeah, because we.
42:17
We're trying to detach from the lunya, you know we don't need
42:20
biryani. And fasting's amazing.
42:22
Yeah. Man, Wallah Wallah's amazing
42:24
outside of Ramadan. Yeah, yeah.
42:26
Because because when it's outside of Ramadan, it's no
42:28
longer like an obligation. It feels it's must have happen.
42:31
Yes. You feel like you're you're
42:33
doing it because you want to not because it's wider.
42:35
But you and I know it doesn't sound like it's so holy to say
42:38
that, but it's it's nice to do it because you know that you
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you've sacrificed for this and you, you pray, Charlie, it's
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accepted. Charlie, you know.
42:45
When you're on fast #13, then fast #14, then fast #15 on the
42:49
shadow mobile, it feels like, OK, I'm a couple of weeks in,
42:52
I'm doing it. I have to do it.
42:53
Tomorrow, I'm going to have to fast.
42:54
Yesterday I had to fast, today I had to fast, You know what I
42:56
mean? But when you're fasting the
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month of shahaban or month of Rajab, in these blessed months,
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we fast. There's an extra reward for us,
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you know, and it will prepare our mind, our soul and of course
43:06
our bodies as well. It's going to be a hard month
43:07
this year as well as always so. We pray it becomes easy for
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everyone. Charlotte, including ourselves.
43:14
Charlotte. Honestly.
43:16
Especially those with a caffeine addiction, Yeah.
43:19
Yeah, yeah. People have all the addictions
43:21
ball stick to caffeine. Yesterday I had chaya like not
43:24
even late, maybe like 738 o'clock.
43:26
Oh yeah. Bro, I couldn't sleep till 1:00
43:28
AM. What Chai was it?
43:30
It's a rocky Chai. A Rocky Chai I.
43:32
Have a tea I. Have a tea.
43:33
So caught him I have. Much local tea?
43:35
Yeah, honestly. All right guys, great
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conversation as. Always.
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I love it. Love it.
43:43
Love it. Love.
43:43
It. I think it was really.
43:45
I'm excited for Ramadan, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:47
Generally me into the zone. We have a lot plan for Ramadan
43:49
as well, do we? We do, yeah.
43:52
And inshallah. With the tofiq of Allah and the
43:54
praise of our beloved audience and community, we can reach
43:58
those milestones. Inshallah, God willing.
44:01
Guys, let us know what you want to see in the build up to now
44:04
and Shahrah Ramadan's. We still have about 5:00-ish
44:06
weeks between now and then. So is there anyone in particular
44:10
you want to see on the podcast who you feel we can reach out
44:13
to? Is there any topics that you
44:15
want to hear? Let us know.
44:17
And also during the holy month, what sort of content do you want
44:19
to see because we're starting to plan that from now.
44:21
You know we've still got just over a month.
44:23
What sort of topics do you want to see and how frequently do you
44:27
want to hear our podcast? Last year we did, I think 6-7 or
44:29
eight podcasts. More than four, for sure.
44:31
I think we released two episodes per week.
44:34
Yeah, rather than one a week. Yeah, yeah.
44:37
So we done an extra 3 or 4 episodes.
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Yes. Yeah, you're right.
44:40
Yeah. Yeah.
44:40
So it was nearly. Nearly.
44:42
Which was good, by the way. It was really nice because I
44:44
felt like we made the most of the month.
44:46
And we had some amazing speakers.
44:48
And the topics we chose, they were made for the month.
44:50
Yeah, I I couldn't imagine having those conversations
44:53
outside of Ramadan. So it was good that we did we.
44:55
Also did we also did a lot of great conversations in the build
44:58
up Shahram Madan obviously last year guys if you're listening we
45:02
had a really we had some really good conversations before
45:04
Ramadan. We had sister Gules Zahra at the
45:07
beginning of Shahadah Madan who talked about making the most of
45:09
it. I remember we had brother Imran
45:11
Dartu on for 15th Shahaban. We talked about connecting with
45:15
Imam and Mehdi prior to Shahadah Milan.
45:17
But these are all conversations which are timeless albeit last
45:19
year with a different studio and all of that.
45:22
But you know, make sure you check it out.
45:24
Let us know the comments, what you want to see coming up, yeah.
45:29
Keep us in your duas and inshallah we do the same.
45:32
Just remember, just make the intention to get out of this
45:36
trapment of being in the dunya. Allah loves you more than your
45:40
family. Allah loves you more than your
45:41
own parents and he's closer to you than you're junk vein.
45:44
All you have to do is make that intention, make make some yeah
45:47
Allah, make it easier for me and Inshallah Allah Allah.
45:52
All the. Makes it first.
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Of all switch characters to to to Ali.
45:57
Yeah, I need to do that. Again.
45:58
Oh, come on, brother. This is natural, man.
46:00
Do again. Do again.
46:01
Do again. Do again.
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That's a thumbnail. That's a thumbnail.
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What did I say? One second.
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Yeah, a lot like that. There you go.
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That's your thumbnail. Enjoy it.
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Oh, just for a thumbnail. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll say.
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All right, guys. We'll see you next week.
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Take care of someone.