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Joe Rogan Experience _2232 - Josh Brolin(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Rogan podcast by night.
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  Speaker 2: All day. Hey.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 5: Little Bo Peep. She needed the money.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: Remember how great that was, man?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: When I first met him, it was like one of
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  Speaker 3: those weird things where, you know, I mean, you've met
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  Speaker 3: a lot of famous people. Some of them, you meet them,
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  Speaker 3: you're like, oh, fucking really?
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  Speaker 2: Bummer.
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  Speaker 3: It's weird. Oh, there's bummer, too. Yeah, the bummer ones,
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  Speaker 3: that sucks. When you meet someone, they suck. You're like, oh, no,
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  Speaker 3: you suck.
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  Speaker 5: I know, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Some people just not talk. They should only do what
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  Speaker 3: they do, act and sing.
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  Speaker 5: But then you get to know them. I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I'm pretty good at this now where you don't, where
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  Speaker 5: you see people that you looked up to. Like Eddie Vedder,
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  Speaker 5: I had a pretty close relationship with Eddie Vedder. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: but I was drinking and then I would grab.
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  Speaker 3: His balls and do shit like that.
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  Speaker 5: And then it was like, I don't want him around.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want Josh around. I don't like that anymore.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want my, you know. And I think Sean
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  Speaker 5: Penn appreciated shit like that. Like, wow, somebody has the balls.
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  Speaker 5: It's not even a little chaos. It's like somebody has
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  Speaker 5: the balls to, like, call me on my shit. Like,
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  Speaker 5: not everybody's afraid of me. Oh, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's probably used to people constantly being afraid of him.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, like, oh, I can't fuck with him.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Well, he does wild shit. Like when he went
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  Speaker 3: down to fucking Mexico and met with El Chapo, like
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  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, dude, that's a.
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  Speaker 2: Fucking wild thing to do.
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  Speaker 5: And I do think that that's organic, but I think
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  Speaker 5: that that's also, you just have that thing where you
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  Speaker 5: just go, you know what? Shit's getting boring.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: The weather's just too fucking nice here.
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  Speaker 3: Weather's too nice. I'm too famous. Let's go meet a mobster.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Let's go fuck some shit up. Let's do something big.
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  Speaker 5: Let's do something really reckless. Let's do something that's going
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  Speaker 5: to resonate for at least a year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. That whole El Chapo thing was so crazy, though,
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  Speaker 3: because that kind of is one of the things that
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  Speaker 3: got him caught.
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  Speaker 5: It was, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because they track your cell phone data.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They know where you go. And if you're bringing your
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  Speaker 3: fucking cell phone, you're basically bringing a tracking device to
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  Speaker 3: go find one of the most notorious gangsters alive today.
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  Speaker 5: The most, I mean, who was the guy with the
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  Speaker 5: football team back in the day?
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  Speaker 3: Pablo Escobar?
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  Speaker 5: Think about it. It's our days. This time it's Pablo Escobar. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And Sean Penn. Goes and hangs out with him.
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  Speaker 5: Spicoli. Goes, you know what, man?
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  Speaker 3: Spicoli.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, who wants to come with me and find this motherfucker?
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  Speaker 3: Did he go solo? I think so. I think he
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  Speaker 3: went solo. Well, he knew that lady who was like
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  Speaker 3: a reporter. You know, there was like this really.
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  Speaker 5: Hot Mexican reporter. Oh, yeah, the Mexican girl. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he knew her.
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  Speaker 5: Was he dating her?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. But I think she had a thing
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  Speaker 3: with El Chapo. After that? No.
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  Speaker 5: Did Sean introduce them properly?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I think he knew her and she knew him. She
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  Speaker 3: knew El Chapo.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, right. That's how he got. That was the connect.
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  Speaker 3: And El Chapo's like, I like the meat. It's piccoli.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I like the meat.
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  Speaker 2: I love you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really enjoyed you in colors. And then next
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  Speaker 3: thing you know.
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  Speaker 5: What's the most dangerous thing that you do now? What
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  Speaker 5: do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Dangerous thing?
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  Speaker 5: Like we're talking about Sean going out on a limb.
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  Speaker 5: Do you find it necessary to go out and do
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  Speaker 5: things that like challenge you in a way? Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Challenge your psyche?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: In what way? Elk hunting is probably the most exciting.
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  Speaker 5: What is? Elk hunting. Elk hunting. Why? Because it puts
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  Speaker 5: you in danger?
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  Speaker 3: Well, no. It's just really difficult. You're bow hunting in
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  Speaker 3: the mountains.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just you in the mountains and just fucking mountain.
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  Speaker 5: Lions and bears and shit. Do you stay up there
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  Speaker 5: for days and days and days? And do you quarter
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  Speaker 5: your kill? Oh, yeah. We pack it out. Yeah. See,
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  Speaker 5: that's a different thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: People say, I don't like hunting. Personally, I grew up
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  Speaker 5: in a very red part of California. Everybody hunts that
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  Speaker 5: I grew up with. And I would shoot and I
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  Speaker 5: would hunt with my dad and I would like fucking
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  Speaker 5: think about it and dream about it for three weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I love it.
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  Speaker 5: I love eating it. No, no, no. I'm saying that
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  Speaker 5: I would like spiral.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you would get negative with it. Not even, it
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  Speaker 3: was negative.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess it would be negative, but it would
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  Speaker 5: like made me think of like the kids that were
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  Speaker 5: going like.
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  Speaker 2: Mom, mom, are you there?
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  Speaker 5: And I just killed the mother. It's like the Bambi
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  Speaker 5: kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: But I eat meat.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 5: So that hypocritical thing of like, I don't want to
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  Speaker 5: kill anything, but I want you to kill it for
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  Speaker 5: me so I can eat it because I really like
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  Speaker 5: the way it tastes.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's the anthropomorphization of animals that Disney has kind
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  Speaker 3: of done a number on people with, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: Bambi and Yogi Bear and all that kind of shit,
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  Speaker 3: cartoons and teddy bears. And we have a very, you know,
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  Speaker 3: living in, when you live in urban areas and cities
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  Speaker 3: and people, you know, streets and concrete and people just
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  Speaker 3: get a very distorted idea of nature and our relationship
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  Speaker 3: with nature. And when you're a kid and you're just,
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  Speaker 3: these are sweet, cute things. And then all of a
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  Speaker 3: sudden you're supposed to go murder one. Like it's all
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  Speaker 3: fucked up, but it's what's fucked up is the cartoons.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they're cute and everything.
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  Speaker 5: Because they depict it in a way. How?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's just completely distorted. You have these animals that
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  Speaker 3: are talking to each other and the hunters are always assholes.
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  Speaker 3: And they're like, If it wasn't for hunters, there would
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  Speaker 3: be no humans. We'd have never made it this far.
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  Speaker 3: If we were all just eating fucking tubers and grapes
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  Speaker 3: and shit, we would have never made it.
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  Speaker 5: Do you like garbanzo beans?
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  Speaker 3: Not bad.
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  Speaker 5: I don't prefer that. Have you ever hunted one?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 5: It's fucking wild, man.
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  Speaker 7: How do you do that?
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  Speaker 5: You take a bunch of acid.
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  Speaker 3: You take a bunch of acid.
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  Speaker 5: It's possible. What about the sexual connotations of Disney? Like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, did you ever hear that thing that Walt
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  Speaker 5: Disney had like the biggest porn collection of all time? Really?
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  Speaker 5: That's what I heard. I don't know how much of
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  Speaker 5: it is true.
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  Speaker 3: Have you ever seen how.
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  Speaker 5: There's like the Rod Stewart thing and there's the... Oh, right, right.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I mean? I don't know if it's what.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how much.
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  Speaker 3: Move a little, Jamie. Did Walt Disney have a gigantic
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  Speaker 3: porn collection? I wouldn't be surprised. A lot of people
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  Speaker 3: that are like really into kids stuff and like sweet,
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  Speaker 3: wholesome stuff, they.
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  Speaker 5: Need to flip. Have that other kind of slant.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they need something... Or eventually flip. Maybe. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 3: a cover, or maybe it's like they're so cutesy with
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  Speaker 3: the fucking completely wholesome stuff that they have to balance
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  Speaker 3: it out with some bonded shit.
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  Speaker 5: Some fucked up shit.
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  Speaker 3: Some guys getting kicked in the nuts and ball gags.
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  Speaker 5: Why is it that people feel that people in Hollywood,
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  Speaker 5: and Texans are like that. I know people that have
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  Speaker 5: moved to Texas, and they've called me. There was one
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  Speaker 5: guy that I used to work out with in Venice.
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  Speaker 5: He moved here, and he called me, and he'd be like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 5: the list is coming out. And I'd go, what list?
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  Speaker 3: And he goes, you know, the list.
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  Speaker 2: The list.
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  Speaker 5: And I go, am I on the list?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 5: And he goes, no. You're clean. You're good. But I
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  Speaker 5: know you know who's on the list.
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  Speaker 3: You.
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  Speaker 5: I'm glad I know I didn't do anything wrong, even
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  Speaker 5: though I didn't do anything wrong. And I said, but
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  Speaker 5: why are you, like a twofold thing, why are you
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  Speaker 5: under the impression that everybody in Hollywood lives under the
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  Speaker 5: same roof? Like we all live in the same apartment complex.
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  Speaker 5: It's they. They. It's they. Yeah, they. It's they.
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  Speaker 3: They are out there.
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  Speaker 5: They're out there doing that thing. Yeah. And then how
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  Speaker 5: could you possibly think that a guy who's a trainer
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  Speaker 5: at Gold's in Venice would have the list?
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  Speaker 3: Why was he chosen?
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  Speaker 5: Well, he goes on Reddit.
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  Speaker 3: He goes on Reddit. And that's how you get the list.
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  Speaker 5: That's how you get the list.
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  Speaker 3: That's how you get the list.
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  Speaker 5: I still am waiting for the list.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I think I'm going to see him when I'm here.
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  Speaker 5: We started communicating again.
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  Speaker 3: Well, when you have things like the Epstein client list
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't get released, then it fuels these kind of
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  Speaker 3: conspiracy theories about there being a list.
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  Speaker 5: So why is that list not released?
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  Speaker 3: That's a very good question.
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  Speaker 5: Who has that list?
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  Speaker 3: Well, for sure someone has the list. Ghislaine Maxwell's in jail, right?
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  Speaker 3: So she must have talked. There must have been conversations.
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  Speaker 3: And there must be a bunch of very powerful people
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  Speaker 3: that are on that list.
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  Speaker 5: Are all the powerful people in cahoots? Something that I
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  Speaker 5: learned when I played W. I played a senator.
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  Speaker 2: What was that like?
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  Speaker 5: I played W.
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  Speaker 3: What is it like playing a guy who's still alive?
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  Speaker 3: Did you meet with him?
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  Speaker 5: Scary.
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  Speaker 3: Did you hang out with him at all? Scary.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, no, I wanted to.
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever meet him?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 3: God, that's weird, right?
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  Speaker 5: I had the opportunity to meet him afterwards. And there
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  Speaker 5: was something about him that was more, I remember when
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  Speaker 5: he was like giving candy to Michelle Obama and all that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It was like a really friendly kind of a mischievous thing.
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, I would like to meet him.
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  Speaker 5: And then I saw his paintings of his dogs and
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  Speaker 5: I said, I don't want to meet him. I just
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  Speaker 5: don't like it was something attractive for a moment. And
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  Speaker 5: then I was like, I don't know. And I love paintings.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what it was, but he didn't like
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  Speaker 5: the paintings. No, it's not that I didn't like the painting.
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  Speaker 3: There's something in the painting.
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  Speaker 5: There was, I don't know what it was.
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  Speaker 3: Something in the paintings is I killed a million people
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  Speaker 3: with fake weapons of mass destruction. You know, there was,
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  Speaker 3: we had a fake story and I used that story
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  Speaker 3: to justify an invasion of a country that And now
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  Speaker 3: a million people are dead.
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  Speaker 5: So that's the question.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm haunted every night.
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  Speaker 2: Totally.
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  Speaker 3: I just paint dogs.
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  Speaker 5: That are staring like that.
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  Speaker 5: Like your face right now is exactly how every eye
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  Speaker 5: is in his dog's paintings. It's so funny.
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  Speaker 3: That guy must be medicated. They must put him on
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  Speaker 3: some things so he could sleep.
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  Speaker 5: Is that that look? I think. Does he put into
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  Speaker 5: his dog's eyes the look that he has always, or
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  Speaker 5: at least that he feels that he has?
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  Speaker 3: Like there's a haunted.
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  Speaker 5: His lens.
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  Speaker 3: His real look behind his eyes.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. How he sees the world, how he's.
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  Speaker 7: Experiencing the world.
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  Speaker 3: What is it like running around knowing that you did that?
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  Speaker 3: Not just that you did that, but that there's no...
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  Speaker 3: Like no one went to jail for that. No one
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  Speaker 3: even got brought up on charges.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's what I was bringing up because when I
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  Speaker 5: would meet these people, I went to the Senate floor
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  Speaker 5: and I met a lot of these people. And then
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  Speaker 5: I met a lot of rich people, which is when
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  Speaker 5: I met Trump actually, the 21 Club. Back when I
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  Speaker 5: knew a lot about him, I was fascinated by the.
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  Speaker 7: Whole– What's the 21 Club?
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  Speaker 5: 21 Club is a place that he used to go
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  Speaker 5: a lot. And it was like, yeah, you have a
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  Speaker 5: chance to meet this billionaire, this billionaire, and then Trump
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  Speaker 5: would be in your target.
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  Speaker 3: Eyes wide shut type shit.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. So he, what was I going to say? Is he, oh,
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  Speaker 5: meeting these people, especially getting them drunk, you know, where
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  Speaker 5: people get super honest. Right. You know, where they go,
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  Speaker 5: you know what, man? I trust you. I trust you.
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  Speaker 5: And you're like, here it comes. Here it comes. Here
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  Speaker 5: it comes. Whereas before that, they were like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure. And I just, what I think is,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and then they finally go, I just fucked her.
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  Speaker 5: I fucked her. And you're like, oh, or they tell
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  Speaker 5: you what's going on. But the thing that I learned,
• 13:56
  Speaker 5: and I'm really curious about, like what we were talking
• 13:59
  Speaker 5: about Hollywood and the perception of them all being in
• 14:01
  Speaker 5: it together, is don't you think the rivalries and all that,
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: not entirely, but that all politicians are basically under the
• 14:10
  Speaker 5: same roof. They all know what each other's doing. And
• 14:13
  Speaker 5: that there's more of an agenda of power to keep
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: the public thinking a certain way. Not brainwashed.
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: There's certainly a benefit to that.
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: Of course there is.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a benefit to that. And then there's also
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: the underlying factor is money, of course. Like there's so
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: much money and influence. There's so many special interest groups.
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: There's so many lobbyists.
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: That's what I mean.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: So many massive corporations that are donating to campaigns.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: So there's always going to be this desire to sort
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: of color things in a certain life.
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: Pacify.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And then treat you like you're a
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: baby so they can continue making insane amounts of money.
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: Like if you're someone like Nancy Pelosi and you're worth
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: hundreds of millions of dollars and you make $ 170, 000 a year.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: And there's no fucking explanation.
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: Like just that alone. Like you have to kind of
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: keep people in the dark. You have to kind of
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: like keep dancing.
• 15:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: Otherwise you're going to jail.
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: Like someone's going to start investigating and they got to go, hey,
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: what you did is not legal. Yeah. And you're going
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: to be in real trouble.
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: What's your relationship like with money? In what way? Just
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: in what you made a certain amount of money for
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: a long time.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think about it.
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: You don't think about it?
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: No, no. What I like about money is to not
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: think about it. That's what I like.
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: Do you like spending it?
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: I like buying stuff.
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: Me too.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: I have a nice car. Drove here. I drove a
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: 69 Camaro. See, but that's different.
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I like that. That's fucking different. That's character.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: I like fun stuff. Fun stuff. But for the most part,
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: I'm not interested in it as a goal. What I
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: like about money is not having to think about it.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: My friend Brian Callen said this to me once. He said,
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: he goes, real freedom is when you can go to
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: a restaurant and not worry about what anything costs. He's like,
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: everything else is bullshit.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: And it really is. Everything else is bullshit.
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: It really is.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: When you just go to a restaurant, get a nice steak,
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: you know, order a bottle of wine, have a good
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: time and not think about the bill.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: What I think happens is and be grateful for it.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: And to remind yourself to be that that exists to
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: be grateful for and not be taken advantage of. And
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: I think that's one of the hardest things about money
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: slash power is you start treating things as if they're
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: underneath you. You know, where you go, God, I'm so
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: glad I can go anywhere in the world right now
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: and get a meal. And I don't have to think
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: about how am I going to pay for this? Am
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: I going to be in debt on my credit card?
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: But when you start saying, excuse me, I said 204 degrees,
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: not 190. Read my list. And you're like, oh, man.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: That's just gross.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: It is gross, but it happens.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: That's just taking advantage of this relationship that everyone knows
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: where service people have to be nicer than they really
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: would be normally, like a regular person. So people hoping.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: For a tip, hoping for one of your many hundreds
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: of thousands or hundreds of millions of dollars.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: It's disgusting. It's a gross way to treat people. But
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: some people want to get rich so that they could
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: do that to people. Maybe someone did it to them
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: when they were younger and they're like, I can't wait
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: to do this to other people.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, when you said nice car and you were like,
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: I thought you were going to say I was like, oh, please, no.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: Like Lamborghini.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: No, I don't have any of those. And then. No,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: I like muscle cars. I like old muscle cars. That's
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: my favorite.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: That's like me at 37 knucklehead. And people say, oh,
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: is that an affectation? I know you're friends with Momoa
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: or whatever. I go, no, man, I've been riding motorcycles
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: since I was three and a half years old.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: They're fun.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: They're not only fun. There's something on us. If you
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, which is
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: the only book that's ever been written that kind of
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: gets close to the kind of spiritual place. If you're
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: a true motorcyclist. whether you're riding with your son or
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: whether you're riding with a grid of guys or whatever,
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: that beautiful, thunderous hum when you're in a group of
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: guys who really know what they're doing and you're in
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: absolute fucking sync. Yes, your arms are up here and
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: your arms are pretty numb at that point, but you're
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: fucking soaring. You're an eagle on a fucking jet stream.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: You ever heard of Hunter S.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: Thompson?
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: You know that documentary they did, Gonzo? Yeah. In the documentary,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: the very beginning, he talks about riding a motorcycle.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: Oh, I don't remember that.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: On the Pacific Coast Highway.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: I don't remember that.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's fucking great. See if you can find that.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: He talks about riding a motorcycle, about like that the
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: lines begin to blur.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: And you're just on the edge and how alive you are.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: It's a fucking fantastic speech.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: We don't have to get into this book right away,
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: but there was, I wrote, they came to me. It's
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: the only story that I wrote that somebody asked me
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: to write for the book. And they were like, well,
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: you're really into motorcycles. Why don't you write a story
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: about motorcycles?
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: And I tried.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: And it was just bad and bad. And everything I
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: wrote was, like, so forced and bullshit. And finally I said,
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: I can't do it. I'm not going to write it.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: And the minute I said I'm not going to do this,
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: I started writing. It just kind of started to come out.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: And it's good.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Do you write by hand?
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: I do. Yeah?
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: Mostly.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Do you feel more of a connection.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: When you write by hand? No, that's not why I
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: do it. You don't like to type? Because I'll write
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: any which way, whether it's on the phone, whether– You know,
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: I remember people saying, like, I write, you know, by hand.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: I handwrite because it's the way it used to be.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, it also used to be
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: under candlelight, which fucked your eyes up.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Also used to be people had slaves. You can only
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: get around by horse. Paint on caves and shit.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: Why don't you go paint on a cave? Tell me
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: a story. Try to get it published.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, get a witch doctor to take care of your
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: broken leg.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: I don't care how it comes out. I think real
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: writing is anywhere, anytime, however you can get it out.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: I don't think there's a muse that's needed. I think
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: it's work, man.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: It is work.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: It's labor.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I think the muse is like, it's a concept, right?
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Have you ever read Pressfield's The War of Art?
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, of course. Great book. Great book.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: I think he's right though when he says you summon
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: the muse when you sit down to work. But that's
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: also just like an intention thing. Like you have so
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: much time and effort put on a thing and when
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: you do that, your mind gets more in sync with creativity.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: But if you treat it like it's a muse, it
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: actually does work. Like if you show up every day
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: and like say.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: Click into that thing.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: And pay respect to the muse. I'm sitting here and
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I'm ready to write and I'm a professional and I'm
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: ready to go. And treat it like you're summoning the muse.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: It actually works. There actually is an effect that happens.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know if there's an actual muse. But you
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: can understand why someone would think that there's a muse.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but why do people chant? Why do people meditate?
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Why do people that? That's the muse. Whatever the muse is,
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: it's like talking about God. What's God?
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: It depends on who you're talking to. God is a feeling.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: God is something that fucking thing that keeps you inspired,
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: that keeps the gasoline at a high octane.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Well, it's something that gets you away from your ego,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: like with writing, something that gets you away from your
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: ego and into your mind, into your consciousness, into like
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: your perceptions of things and your ability to express it.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: And it's a focus thing. And the more you focus
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: on it, the more that muscle grows, the more you
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: get adapted to it.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Because your ego is worried about how people are going
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: to perceive you.
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: And that's not right.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: You want to look cool. You want to look cool.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: People are like, fuck.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: I read that book that you wrote, man. Holy shit.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: I had no idea. You're amazing.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: That's the grossest conversation ever. Cocktail party in Hollywood. Some
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: guy comes up to you and tells you you're amazing.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: You are a genius.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: And it's always with those eyes. You're so incredible. I
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: had no idea, dude.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, that guy's trying to sell you on some multi-level
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: marketing scheme or something. There's something he's trying to tap
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: into you with.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: I want to buy that book. I want to auction
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: your book. Oh, here it comes. I want to turn
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: it into a fucking movie.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I also have a script I'd love you to see.
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: Is it at Disney? Is it about animals talking?
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: That's the one thing I really love about living in
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Texas is there's no Hollywood. There's no show business. I
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: don't have to deal with any of these people with
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: alternative agendas.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: I want to go back to that, but we just
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: moved to Santa Barbara. Santa Barbara's awesome. It's funny. Why
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: does everybody fucking think that?
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: It is awesome.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Montecito.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I love it out there.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Because it's beautiful.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: Because it's beautiful. What about the people?
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: They're a little elitist. There's a lot of elitist people
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: out there.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: So that's a perfect place for me. So I grew
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: up in Santa Barbara. I was in Paso Robles, which
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: is ranch country, about two hours above Santa Barbara. And
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: then we moved to Santa Barbara when I was 11.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: And it was Montecito, but it was a very different Montecito. Like, yes,
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: there were a couple of rich people. Yes, my dad
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: was doing okay by then. He had done Marcus Welby.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: He did.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: Uh, at that time he did Amityville horror. So he
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: had a little bit of money, but we bought, you know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: what would now be a $ 35 million home in Montecito. Right.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: He bought for $ 600, 000. Uh, same fucking house. Right. Do
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean? So it was a different
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: Montecito and then whatever, you know, group I, I grew
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: up with, but I went to, the point is I
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: went to jail there a lot. I just did. I
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: just liked it. Instead of the museum, I went to jail.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: I was like, no mom, I'm going to go to
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: jail today. Um, And then, so in L.A., Venice Beach,
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: I love Venice Beach, but Venice Beach has even changed.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: You know, you used to know everybody and everybody kind
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: of coexisted beautifully. And then Venice Beach changed. It got
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: totally randomly violent. Yeah, it became very dangerous. Very dangerous.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Little kids. Okay, so we moved to Malibu. We were
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: close to Laird. I know Laird and Gabby and all
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: that thing. But it never landed. So we were always
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: talking about moving, even though we were kind of building
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: a house and we were finalizing everything. We're always talking.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: We talk about Texas. My mom's from Texas. We were
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: talking about East Coast. We were talking about Europe, all
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: these places, but never Santa Barbara. I would never move
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: back to Santa Barbara. Because by the way, honey, if
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: we move to Santa Barbara, which you love so much
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: and you think is so beautiful, our little girls will
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: eventually for sure go to prison. That was in my mind. Why?
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: Because in my mind, I had built totally. Most of
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: my friends that grew up in Montecito are dead. Really?
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: 36 out of 50.
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: Really?
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. From what? Heroin epidemic, punk rock. Oh, God.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: Driving accidents. 36 out of 50? Out of 50.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: Best friend, Jason Sears, who was the lead singer of
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Rich Kids on LSD, RKL, which was a big punk
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: band that influenced a bunch of people.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: Nirvana.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Nirvana.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: Pearl Jam, all these people.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Rich Kids on LSD is a great name for a band.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: You should look it up. Can you look it up?
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: Jason Sears, Rich Kids on LSD. We got a tattoo
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: at the same time. I got a tattoo from Freddie
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: Negretti that's gone now because I removed it. But it
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: was a big Jesus with blood coming out of the hands.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: And Jason that same night got eat shit on his ass.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: See if you can find Jason's ass that says eat
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: shit on it. You're going to put that in? Jason Sears,
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: eat shit. Yeah. Where is it? Oh, you got to
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: just keep looking. Yeah, it'll be there. So why was that? Oh,
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: so eventually, when we finally said, look, we're not moving.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: We should be grateful. We're not grateful enough. That's the problem.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: We're not grateful enough. But Malibu just didn't kind of sit.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: And then one day I'm lying on my bed.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: What didn't you like about Malibu?
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: I love Malibu. It's just remote. You know, like we
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: already are remote in Paso Robles. We have a place
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: in Paso Robles, a place where I grew up, not
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: the ranch I grew up. It's about three miles down
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: the road, but that's remote and a remote that I love.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: I love remote, but I love extremes. I don't want
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: to be sort of next to Santa Monica and it's
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: 20 miles away and it takes two and a half
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: hours to get there. Right. You and I were talking
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: about that. I don't want to sit in traffic for
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: half my life. Right. I just don't want to.
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: I'm going to be somewhere. I want to be somewhere.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: So Santa Barbara.
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Represented a place where you kind of had your own
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: piece of property, but everything was 10 minutes away. You
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: got dance class for the girls. You got soccer. You
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: got this. You know what I mean?
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: So that was the thing. But never was I going
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: to go back to Santa Barbara. I finally put on
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: Zillow Santa Barbara. One house came up, and that's the
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: house that we bought, and it was Joe Walsh's old house.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow. Which is amazing. That's incredible.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: Incredible.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: That's incredible.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Which I was stoked. And I asked him.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Anyway.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: I have to finish the story is that I was
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: so freaked out about moving up to Santa Barbara. I
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: still hadn't made the kind of transition that I contracted
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: a mild case to a Bell's palsy.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Like literally was stressing out. My wife was like,
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: you got to, and I'm not a stress guy. And
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: she was like, you got to mellow the fuck out.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, but you don't know what's going to
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: happen when we move up here. It's like, it's going to.
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: Be a face.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: So literally I'm washing my face.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I'm doing this.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: And it just started going.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: Whoa.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: When was this?
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Four months ago.
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: That's a side effect of the vaccine too. That's one
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: of the side effects of COVID-19 vaccines.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: I've also heard that speech impediments. I've heard a lot
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: of things. Kids taking vaccines and things happening. Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: That vaccine in particular. That one. The mRNA one. Yeah.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: I know quite a few people that develop Bell's palsy
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: from them. Well, whatever you want to call it. Are
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: you serious?
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Facial paralysis.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I know two people specifically that developed facial, like droopy face.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Because when my older kids were young, there were what,
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: 17 vaccinations? And now that my younger kids are young,
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: there's 56.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: 72. Yeah.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a series of them, but it's ultimately 72 shots.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah. It's a scary prospect, man.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Well, the fucked up thing is if you talk about it,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: you're an anti-vaxxer and you're a conspiracy theorist. You can
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: talk about anything. But that's a big one because they've
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: done a really good job of demonizing anyone who questions
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: a medicine that might be correlated with a bunch of
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: fucking serious diseases.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: And for whatever reason. Profit. They've just done a great
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: job of gaslighting people.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: And scaring the shit out of people by labeling anybody.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Like look what they did to Jenny McCarthy. Do you
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: remember when Jenny McCarthy had a kid and her kid
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: had autism and she thought that autism had possibly come
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: from vaccines? And they basically ran her out of Hollywood.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: But why would they do that? What's the reason? What
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: do they benefit?
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Well, the thing is, during the Reagan administration, the vaccine companies,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: pharmaceutical drug companies that are making vaccines, they said we
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: are unable to make these vaccines if we're liable. Because
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: if we're liable, there's too many lawsuits are going to
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: come our way because vaccines cannot be completely safe and
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: effective just by virtue of the mechanism. in which they work.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: You have an irritant. You have this virus, this dead virus.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Your body sees the aluminum or whatever it is. It
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: reacts to that in a negative way, and it finds
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: the dead virus. It develops antibodies just by the way
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: they work. When you vaccinate an enormous amount of people,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: you're going to have a certain amount of people that
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: have a negative reaction. If we have lawsuits for every
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: person that has a negative reaction, we're going to go
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: out of business.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: You're broke.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: So they made them immune. They made them immune. And
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: you know what happened? Immediately, they're like, well, you need
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: a vaccine for this. And you need to go vaccinate that.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Knowing that there was no drawback.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Hepatitis B vaccines.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Babies.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: Right when you're born.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Right when you're born.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Right when you're born.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: You know, there's also doctors that say it doesn't even
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: really work for babies. But what you're doing is you're
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: conditioning the parents to accept the fact that your child
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: is going to get regularly vaccinated. My doctor, fortunately, our pediatrician,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: wanted to put the kids on a different schedule, a
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: slower schedule. And he didn't want them to have any
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: vaccines until they were two.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: Your doctor in California? Yes.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: But it was not like a quack. He was like,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: I think the way to do it, I mean, yeah,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: there's a schedule of vaccines your kids have to get
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: unless you have religious exemption. But let's not assault them.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: Your children with a potential poison because everybody is different.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: If I take a bong hit, I might end up
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: under the table. If you take a bong hit, you
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: actually may feel smarter and clearer. I remember Dean Potter,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: who was a climber, and he was like, I stopped
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: smoking pot for four months. But when I started smoking pot,
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: I could feel the hold at 2,000 feet.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: Sheer cliff. Nothing underneath, no ropes. But I felt more confident.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: And for me, I go, if I took a bong
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: head up there, I could be four feet up and
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: be freaking out.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: It's different for everybody.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Because everybody has different brains. It's like psychopharmaceuticals. Let's just
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: give them all lithium or let's give them all that.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: You have to experiment. The idea of experimenting with that
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: shit is super scary. It is.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: It is super scary. And it's also super scary when
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: you're not liable for any of the repercussions. And you're just...
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: pushing it on people because you're a corporation and corporations
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: just want to make money. Their, their thing is just
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: unlimited growth. They just have a, they have an obligation.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: They're shareholders every quarter. They want to make more money
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: and they just keep ramping it up.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I remember Seinfeld talking about that. He was like,
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: I remember back in the seventies and comedy, you know,
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: green rooms and all that. And we'd all be fucking
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: with each other and it had never had anything to
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: do with money. Cause nobody was really making money like money, money,
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: like tons of money. It was just about what set
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: are you going to do? What are you trying out?
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Are you going to fail or are you not going
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: to fail? But it was this community, again, and I
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: think that things have grown into, not that I wanted
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: to talk about this or I even thought about it before,
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: but the money thing is a very interesting thing to me.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: And if you want to take it back to the book,
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: which we.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Can talk about later, it's like the anti-celebrity.
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: It's like how do you stay grounded? How do you
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: stay accountable? And why would you stay accountable because I
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: actually give a fuck about people instead of just being
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: in it for myself.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: And I think that's the difference.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Well, I think one of the things that happens to
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: people with money is you didn't have money when you
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: were young. Now all of a sudden you have money
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: and you get really scared.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: About losing that money.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Somebody else is going to take it away. Yeah. You
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: get scared it's going to go away because now you realize, oh,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: my God, it's so much better to not have to
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: worry about your bills. It's so much better to have
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: some money to buy things.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, totally.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: And then you start thinking only about money and you
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: start making decisions only for money. And then you go
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: down the weird road. And it really distorts artists. It
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: fucks a lot of people up. You see it in
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: a lot of bands. They start making poppy songs when
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: they used to be raw and gritty when they were younger.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: It used to be like authentic and then all of
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: a sudden they're making like theme songs for films. It's
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: like weird fucking romance songs.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: For rom-coms.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Like Aerosmith went through a bunch of that shit.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Totally.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Where to me as an Aerosmith, you know, lover as
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: a kid to see them, you know, go from like
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Dream On to like the shit they were.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: And I wonder with like drug addiction and all that.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: I wonder if it's like if the parallel is I
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: went back to heroin at that point because I just
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: couldn't fucking deal.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Do you know what i mean i think it's when
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: they get off heroin they start wanting to make money
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: i need to make some money i spent all my
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: fucking money.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: But look at i wonder if there's any connection like
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: with member philip seymour offman like one of the greatest
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: actors that ever lived and i've known his mother since
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: i was doing theater in rochester new york there's like
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: a 20 year old 21 year old and she would
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: come up to me she said i think you're a
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: fine actor i go oh thank you very much and
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: And she goes, you know, my son just moved to
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: New York. He wants to be an actor. And I said, oh,
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: what's his name?
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Phil.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: Phil's his name. Oh, well, tell Phil good luck. Good
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: luck to Phil. It's like anybody who wants to be
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: an actor, just the odds of it happening. It's just
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: not going to happen. And then Phil became this guy,
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: 22 years of sobriety, who had an inkling in the
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: beginning and said, you know what? I don't want this
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: to control my thing. So I'm not going to do it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: I'm going to give everything I am to acting and
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: I'm going to try to make the best career, theater career,
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: movie career, whatever. And then, you know, and I, again,
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: I have it in the book where I see him
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: on the street and I'm crazy and I've gotten into
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: a fight with my wife and I'm walking down Columbus
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: Avenue and I have cords on, I have no shoes,
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: I have no shirt. on my way, I'm out of
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: my fucking head and I look to my left and
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: I see Nick Nolte at a cafe and we lock
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: eyes and I've never met Nick Nolte, I've never seen
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: him and it will happen that I actually will have
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: a relationship with him later on but we lock eyes
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: and the moment is he's seeing in me what he
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: used to be or seeing in me what I'm to become,
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: I'm seeing in him what I'm to become later, right?
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: Then I see Philip Seymour Hoffman who's standing there talking,
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: I go, hey, Phil! It's Josh.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: What's up? You're doing so well, man.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Fuck. Good for you, dude. No shirt.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: No shirt.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: No shoes.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: And he's standing there with one foot pointed toward me
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: and another foot pointed in the direction that he wants
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: to go. You know how people stand.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: There and they're like, good to see you, man.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, good.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Good. Oh, no.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: Now, how is that the guy that died of a
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: heroin overdose?
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Did he get injured?
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: No.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: No?
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: He just got back on it? Because sometimes what happens
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: is people get injured.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: I know. And they have surgery and then they have
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: back and then they get on Oxycontin. I know quite
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: a few people. Me too. I know a lot of
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: people that that's kind of been the trajectory.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: No back pain, nothing?
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: To me, there's another parallel. And the parallel is I
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: just want to make money. Finally, I'm sick of doing independence.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: I'm sick of doing this and not making any money.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: And then you start doing, you know, whatever he was,
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: Hunger Games.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: And then you feel hollow. And then you want to
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: fill yourself.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: That's what we were talking about before.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: You want to numb yourself up because you feel like
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: a whore.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: You feel like a whore. Yeah. It's like there's one
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: thing about like actually finding solace and saying, hey, man,
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: I'm older. I'm going to do this movie.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: I would like, you know, I got college coming up
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: for my kids and justify it in a way that's OK.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: And then there's one thing about you've identified yourself so
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: much as an artist that to release yourself from that
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: identity in other people's minds. Again, going back to the ego.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: that you just, it just fucks you up. Right.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: You just can't deal. And then you want to escape
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: from your reality.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: Exactly. Yeah.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: You want to numb yourself.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Well, that is a real fucking thing, man. And if
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: you've ever done a project where it's like really, I
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: did a really bad sitcom once and I remember.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: You acted it?
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It was terrible. And I remember
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: while I was doing it, I was just imagining like,
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: what if this is my life? What if this stupid
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: piece of shit sitcom goes for like 10 years?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: 10 years, yeah.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: And I have to keep, because there's sitcoms that, inexplicably
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: are very successful or were the 90s yeah and very
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: successful and they were terrible terrible they're terrible people love
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: them well people want to be eating ice cream they
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: just want a slack jaw sit in front of the
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: computer or whatever the tv and eat spaghettios just fucking
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: numb themselves to some mundane bullshit and if you're doing
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: that kind of a thing you live in hell and
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of those people that do those things they
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: wind up doing drugs because they just feel very lost.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: But if you do that, you live in hell.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you live in hell.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: Which it is, to me, to you.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: It sounds crazy to a person listening. Oh, you're making $ 50, 000
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: a week. How are you living? You're living in hell. Like,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: what are you talking about?
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, that's not the point. Most people would
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: be like.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: That's great. That would be amazing. But if you want
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: to do a thing, if you want to be a
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: great comic or you want to be a great actor,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: and you're doing something. You have to have incentive.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: You have to want to create something really good.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: And when you can't create something really good and you're
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: just doing it for money. you feel trapped and you
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: feel like shit. And then you have to reward yourself
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: for this stupid fucking thing you do. So what do
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: you do? You go out and buy a nice Mercedes.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: You get a fucking house in Malibu. Now you have
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: a large monthly nut that you have to cover. But
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: when you take people over your house, like, look how
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: I'm living. Look at this ocean view.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: Come on. How much of this house do you use? Nothing.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Almost nothing. I always say to my friends, my young
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: comic friends that are coming up, your house is just
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: your house. I remember when I first got a nice apartment,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: when I moved to North Hollywood in 1994, I got
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: a loft apartment and a pool table in it and
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: a nice stereo and I was like, this is incredible.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: I have a nice apartment, this is amazing. And then
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: after a while, it just became my house. It became
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: where I live. And I realized at that moment, I'm like, oh.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: This is, it's all the same feeling. Like all you
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: need in a house is it to be comfortable.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: You need a TV and a kitchen and a couch
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: and a bed.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: It's not supposed to, it's supposed to, it's the place
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: that you sleep.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: It's a place where you relax.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: It's not the place where you live the entirety of
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: your life.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: You can relax almost anywhere that's comfortable and safe. That's
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: all you need. And then everything else is kind of bullshit.
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: It's kind of the things that you get for your money.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: It's like, there's a lot of things that people spend
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: a lot of money on and they're not really worth it.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: You don't really get anything out of it.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: That's why it was interesting walking in here and, you know,
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: man cave. I hate that fucking term. Man cave.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Man cave.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: You know, it's a gay cave.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Well, it's a man cave because no woman would ever
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: let me decorate this place this way.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: But it's not that no woman wouldn't like it. Well,
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: my wife likes.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: It when she comes here.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: She just doesn't want to live in it. She doesn't
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: want to live.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Do you want to live in it?
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't want to live here.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: Well, there you go.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: But I might if I was like a single guy.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: I might decorate my house like this. But it's things.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: The point is that there's things when I walked in here,
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: it made me smile because I started seeing things that inspire.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: And you like to surround yourself. Like if somebody comes
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: in and does an interior design of your office.
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: Ugh. Ugh.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Ugh.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: And they go, we brought in this amazing fabric from Paris.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: And you go, but I don't like it. And I
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: remember when we were doing our house, we were like,
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: I said, look, man, you can get things from Target.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: I don't want to feel that people have to take,
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: I don't want anybody to feel that they have to
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: take their shoes off. That's what I don't, I want
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: them to feel that they can scuff up the floor
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: because that's the mark that they made when they walked
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: in my house. And maybe I don't even like the scuff.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: I don't like that they walked so heavy, but it's
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: their mark. We are leaving our mark.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: So I said, that's how I feel about this table.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: That's why this table has all these stains on it.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: Seriously. It's good. It has character.
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: It's a lot.
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: And that's the thing is like when we built our,
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: or the ranch, I said, There were shelves. I said,
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: I want linoleum. Or what is it? Formica. Linoleum on
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: the shelves. And we have 150-year-old barn wood, but along
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: with linoleum. Because linoleum reminds me of like trailer parks
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: and shit. It just makes me fucking smile. So I
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: saw this thing when I walked in because I have one.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: And that is Ralph Steadman's print that you have.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: The Hunter S. Thompson print. So Ralph Steadman, Johnny Depp
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: gave me Ralph Steadman's number because he was close with Hunter.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: And my son was graduating. My son's an artist. And
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: he was obsessed with Stedman, right? And then I called
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: Ralph Stedman. He said, hello. And I said, hey. I said, listen,
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: you don't know me. I'm a friend of Johnny's and this.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: I said, you know, my son's graduating. And like the
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: greatest gift I could ever get him. And this is
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: not just to throw Stedman under the bus because it
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: comes full circle. But he says, I said, my son's graduating.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: Can you do like a little thing? I'll pay you
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: for it. Can you just draw a little thing for him?
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: For his graduation, there was a long, long pause, and
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: he goes, why the fuck would I do that? And
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: so that conversation went nowhere. I was like, what the fuck?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: What an asshole.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: And then 20 years went past, and my book is
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: designed by one of his protégés.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: And then, so Joey Feldman, he called me one day,
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: and he said, he said, Ralph wants to send you
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: a print. And I said, no way. Does he know
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: or that we have like a history? And he said, no,
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: I don't think so. So I sent him a voice
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: memo of the history and I said, I never held
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: it against you. I totally understand it. So he sent
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: me one for my son and one for me and
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: I have it hanging up in my house.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: That's cool.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: I love having that thing, man.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: He was an interesting artist.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: He is very interesting.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I should say is. But I mean, the stuff
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: that he did, it's like That's also in that Gonzo
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: documentary where it talks about how Hunter gave him acid
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: and mushrooms and he just started fucking writing, drawing like
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: really crazy shit. And like the thing for, do you
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: remember the thing he did for the Kentucky Derby is.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: Decadent and depraved? Yeah, that was like the first thing,
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: wasn't it?
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: I think that was how they got together.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: See, we can find that. The Kentucky Derby is decadent
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: and depraved.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah. It's a really good article, actually. Whoa, that was fast, dude. Yeah.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: But look at that.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: That article is fucking amazing. It's an amazing article. It's
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: one of my favorite Hunter pieces.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: And I don't think that they spent a lot of
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: time together, but I think.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Hunter and him?
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: No, I don't.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of it in the documentary where they're
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: hanging out together.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he picks him up at the airport in his
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: VW Bug.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: No, I know it exists, but I don't think that
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: they spent the amount of time that you would think
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: given that they collaborated so much. I think Ralph was
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: back in Britain and Hunter was... I know.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Look at that.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: Look at that. See, that's the kind of shit, do
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: you miss that? Like, as part of driving your car
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: and all that?
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: That's the thing from the, put your headphones off for
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: a second.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Take the thing out for an honest run down the coast.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I would start in Golden Gate Park, thinking only to
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: run a few long curves to clear my head.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: Ah, it's so good. A wavering alcoholic off the wagon.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: But in a matter of minutes, I'd be out at
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: the beach with the sound of the engine in my ears.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Surf booming up on the seawall and a fine empty
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: road stretching all the way down to Santa Cruz. There
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: was no helmet on those nights, no speed limit, and
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: no cooling it down around the curves.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: I love seeing the sand in the road. Then into
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: second gear.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Forgetting the cars and letting the beast wind out.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: 35, 45.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Then into third, not worried about green or red signals,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: but only some other werewolf looming. Now there's no sound
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: except the wind.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: The needle leans down on 100.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: The wind-burned eyeballs strain to see down the center line.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: No room at all for mistakes.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: That's when the strange music starts.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: That's great.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: The edge there is no honest way to explain it
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: because the only people who really know where it is
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: are the ones who have gone over the others the
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: living are those who pushed their control as far as
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: they felt they could handle it and then pulled back
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: or slowed down.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: But the edge is still out.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: There.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: That guy was fucking amazing.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: It's great. It's great. It's fucking amazing. What do you
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: love about his writing? And what type, like fear and loathing?
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Well, I was just reading Hell's Angels recently, actually.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: That's the book that I go back to most.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Well, that's really him when he was starting, right? That
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: was the beginning of the sort of gonzo journalism stuff
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: because he was kind of mixing in fiction. With reality.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: That's one of the things that pissed off the Hells
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Angels is that he took a lot of liberties with
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: the truth to try to like paint a picture.
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: Right. Which was his deal, which was his style later
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: on is like exaggerating and kind of romancing his own life.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Well, he was out of his fucking mind.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: Out of his mind. But he was also one of
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: the most brilliant technical writers that ever was. And that's
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: what that's what's forgotten. Like even people talk about Kerouac
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: and Kerouac was like, you know, he rode on the
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: road and he was on the road and it was
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: the Hunter S. Thompson type of thing. And you're like,
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: you know, he edited on the road for seven years.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: And nobody knows that because Kerouac kind of like, you know,
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: he put forth this thing of like first thought, best thought,
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: don't edit. It was again, it's total horseshit.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: That's why I say it goes back to writers. It's
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: a labor. Yeah. You sit down and you write all
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: the fucking time.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: My friend Ari on his laptop, he's got a little
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: piece of paper above the keyboard that says the first
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: draft of everything is shit.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: And it's true.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: It's Hemingway. Yeah, Hemingway wrote that.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: You know his first book, Hemingway's first book was lost
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: by his wife. What? Yeah. She lost it? Yeah. She
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: grabbed it for him and was on a train and
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: then she went to the bathroom and actually left the satchel.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: on the seat, and when she came out of the bathroom,
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: it was gone.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: Never to be found again.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. Can you imagine? Oh my God. All
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: that work.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Did that marriage work out?
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: I don't think so.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: I bet you did it on purpose, that bitch.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: I bet you did it on purpose, that bitch.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, man.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: I love writing. I love when someone's a really good
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: writer because you just get these moments where you're like, yes.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, oh, that's it.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: And Hunter had a lot of those moments where you're like,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: God damn it, that's good.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: You have so many people who were great young, and
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: I know that there's a danger and a chaos within
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: the vortex within which they lived, but it couldn't survive.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean? Most of them. When
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: Hunter got, he was just too fucking alcoholic.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: And Dylan Thomas became too fucking alcoholic. And it's one
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: of those things that you go, you were literally riding
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: things that aren't possible. You were putting together like wordsmithing
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: things that are.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Magic.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: Magic.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: Magic.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: How he was describing it's that thing.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: Whatever it is you're doing, how do you get to
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: that place which most people can't touch?
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Well, you can't neglect your physical health. That's the problem
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: is that in this chase for the muse, in this
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: dance you do with the drugs and the alcohol and
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: the wild riding and You know, I'm sure you've seen
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Hunter S. Thompson's– there's a thing that a reporter, he
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: hung out with Hunter S. Thompson and detailed what a
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: day in the life of Hunter S. Thompson is.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: Who was it?
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: There's a band called Beardy Man, and Beardy Man took
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: me and Greg Fitzsimmons reading off. Hunter S. Thompson's routine,
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: his daily routine before he writes, and made a song
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: out of it. It's fucking incredible. See if you can
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: find that. Because the routine was so insane. And this
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: was like really what he would do. He would wake
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: up at like 2 in the afternoon. No.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: No.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Chaos.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: Okay, great.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Full on chaos. Here, let's put the headphones back on.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: It started from the beginning.
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: Beardy man.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: 3 p.m., rise.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Chivas Regal with morning papers.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: 3.45, cocaine. Another glass of Chivas. Another Dunhill.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: 4.05 p.m., by the way, first cup of coffee and
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: a Dunhill.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: 4.15, cocaine. Another Dunhill. 4.30. Cocaine.
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: Cocaine. Cocaine.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Coffee. Dunhill.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: 5.45.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: 6 o'clock. Smoking grass to take the edge off the day.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: 7 p.m. The day. 3 hours into it.
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: 3 hours in.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Lit.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: 7 p.m.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: Lunch.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Margaritas.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Lunch.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: Taco salad.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Dungeon rings. Carrot cake. Bean fritter.
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: Cocaine.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Start snorting cocaine seriously.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Drops acid.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: 11 p.m. I don't know what that is. Cocaine and grass. Cocaine,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. 12 midnight.
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: Hunter S.
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: Thompson is ready to write.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: 6 a.m. In the hot tub with champagne.
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: 6 a.m.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: In the hot tub with champagne. 6 a.m. In the
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: hot tub with champagne.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: So this is like an electronic dance music song that
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: plays in clubs sometimes.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: Super funny. When did you do that?
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, it was a long time ago. Many years ago.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Did you ever live like that?
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: No, no.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: I've never even done coke. Wow. Yeah, I've never fucked
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: around with coke. I like psychedelics. I like weed. I
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: like a little alcohol every now and then, but I
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: don't fuck around with anything that's going to kill me.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: I'm not interested.
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: And I'm not interested in anything that helps my ego,
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: that boosts it up, makes me fearless.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: That bloats it?
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: I'm not interested in any of that. I like things
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: that make me scared. I like things that make me nervous.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: That's what I was talking about early on.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: I like to feel vulnerable. I like it. You like
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: to challenge yourself.
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And your perception and how you perceive certain things.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: I think... I like voluntary adversity, physical voluntary adversity, but
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: also I think mental voluntary adversity. And I think that's
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: what I like about psychedelics. I think you have to
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: go on a journey and you can't control it. It
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: takes you somewhere. And then when you're back, you realize
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: you ain't shit. Just get all that ego stuff out
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: of your system, relax, and just be appreciative and enjoy life.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: And try to spread as much positivity as you can.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: That's what you're here for. Do your best at everything
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: you do. That's what you're here for.
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: And how do you find yourself doing that once you're
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: not on it? The incorporation of it into your life.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Just remember. There's profound moments where I think change you forever.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: And those, if you can hold on to them. Some
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: people don't hold on to them. But it's a matter
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: of intention, right? It's a matter of what are you
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: trying to do? You're trying to be better at life. Well,
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: if you're trying to be better at life, you can
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: hold on to it. If you're not, if you're just
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: trying to like be the man or, you know, get
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: all the accolades or, you know, win a fucking Grammy
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: or whatever you're trying to do. Like if that's your
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: real goal, like you're going to get lost because it's
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: a shitty goal.
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: How old were you when you took a hallucinogen for
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: the first time?
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: 30.
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: I was 13. Whoa.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: So that's a little too early. I wouldn't recommend that.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't recommend it either, but it changed my life.
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: And I had, by the way, I took it twice
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: in a 24-hour period.
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: Whoa.
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: So I took it 13, had the greatest trip ever,
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: like still affected by it.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: And then I took it again that night and went
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: to hell.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: You got cocky.
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: No.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: No. Psychedelics want to bring you down a notch.
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: It just did what it did. It did.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: It did.
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: And I truly believe that psychedelics, I don't do psychedelics anymore,
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: but I think I did. But I do breath work.
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: I do shit like that. And you go, can you
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: get there? And I go, yeah. I've had some of
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: the most amazing hallucinations I've ever had, most profound hallucinations
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: I've ever had. Holotropic breathing, breath work with Laird going off.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: And if you do it long enough, you just reach
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: a place. Or if you're in a sauna at 240
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: degrees for an hour doing breath work, you're going to
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: go places.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt. Sensor deprivation tank, you don't need anything.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: You trip balls. If they could give you in a
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: pill form what the experience you get from a sensory
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: deprivation tank, it would be a very popular drug.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: And it's completely safe.
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: And a productive drug.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, very productive.
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: So there's sensory, you say the sensory deprivation tank, but
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: I just saw, you can see it online or whatever,
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: where people literally put a thing, they go into a
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: room and there's silence. It's not like a, you know,
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: where they don't talk, a meditation retreat or whatever. But
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: they literally go into a room by themselves. They don't
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: see anybody else. They put a thick mask on and
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: they're in for four days, five days. Have you seen that?
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: I have heard of people doing stuff like that. Yeah.
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: What about that?
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Well, I think being alone with your thoughts is uncomfortable
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: for people. And I think a lot of people avoid that.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: They avoid really thinking. And you're forced to really think,
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: you know, when you're in those sort of situations. You're
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: forced to be alone with your thoughts, you know.
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: Scary.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Well, we're always distracted. We're distracted by people and devices
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: and input and news and social media. And there's like
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: constantly stuff coming in. And sometimes you don't, like, how
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: do I feel about everything? Like, do I even know?
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Have I ever really considered things? Like, you need time alone.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: You need time to think. You know, that's what I
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: really like about, that's why I work out by myself.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: That's why I like to.
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: You work out by yourself? Yeah.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: You don't like having a trainer? I mean, I've had
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: a lot of trainers. I appreciate them for technical advice
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But this is a meditative aspect
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: of working out by myself that I think is very important.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: It's also discipline. It's easy to go somewhere and the
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: guy tells you, okay, 10 reps. But I write my
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: own workouts out.
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: Based on that day.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I know what I want to do. I'm
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: pretty good at it.
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: It's funny. I haven't heard many people say that. And
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: it's not just some bullshit like affectation, rebellious thing. When
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: I'm with it, and I appreciate trainers too, and I've
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: worked with some great trainers, but they make me want
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: to do less. Why? You know, they go, do 10.
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: And I go, but why?
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, you're one of those guys.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: I'm one of those assholes. I'm one of those assholes.
• 55:31
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: But I will actually push myself. If, say, 12, just
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: for a random word, a random number, 12 is my limit.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: I'm good at pushing myself to 15. Or Jeff Cavallari,
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: do you know who that is? No. AthleanX.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, I've heard of that guy, yeah.
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: Super smart guy.
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: And we would go back and forth, and I'd be like, look,
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: if I'm at my last three reps, why do we
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: have to rest for two minutes? Like, who said that?
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: Who made that up? Is it really a recovery thing,
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: two minutes before you can go back into 12 more reps?
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: What if we just rest 30 seconds, and then you're
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: right back into– That thing almost immediately, and those are
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: the things that are tearing the tissues and growing the
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: muscle and all that kind of stuff. So just experimenting
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: with it all. Again, this all goes back down to
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: what we watched of, like, what are we doing to
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: just live a little more vividly? How are we pushing ourselves?
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: How are we changing our perception? How are we pushing
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: our perception?
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Well, it depends on what you're trying to do, right?
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: If you're just trying to get, like, conditioned, yeah, give
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: yourself the minimal amount of rest and do it for
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: as long as possible.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Take time off afterwards for your body to heal and
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: then get back after it.
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: It's just a base.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: But it depends on what you're trying to do. If
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: you're trying to get strong, I always recommend taking out
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: long periods of time in between sets. I take like
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: five minutes, maybe even more, in between sets.
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: To come back in at your strongest. Yeah, but I
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: have long workouts.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: My workout's like two hours sometimes, two and a half hours,
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: because I have these long breaks in between. But because
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: of that, it's, you know, Pavel Tatsulini is?
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: No.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: He's one of the godfathers of kettlebells. He's one of
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: the first people that introduced kettlebells to America from Russia.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: And their philosophy, his strong first philosophy is that strength
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: is a skill and you don't work on a skill
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: when you're tired. So it's all about how many repetitions
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: you do. And that's what builds strength. So it doesn't
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: mean you have to do 10 in a row. Like
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: say if 10 is your max, say if you pick
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: up a weight and you could do 10 cleans and presses.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: And on the 10th one, you're like, his philosophy is
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: do five, do five, wait a long time, do another five.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: So you've got the 10 end, but you've got the
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: 10 end with perfect form.
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: And then you're still getting the same amount of repetitions,
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: but you're not breaking yourself down to the point where
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: you might get hurt or where you're doing it incorrectly
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: or form. So that's how I talked.
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: I talked to me too. I talked to my wife
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: a lot about that. My wife would say, because I got,
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: I'm all about form.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: Because otherwise you just get hurt.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: And what's the fucking point?
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: I rarely get hurt from lifting weights.
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: Have you ever gotten hurt in jujitsu?
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: A lot. Everybody tears and pops.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I've had surgeries and fucking bulging discs and torn
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: this and torn that. Yeah. You have to. It's a
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: sport where you're trying to kill each other. It's true.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: You try to get really good at killing people with
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: your body. So other people are doing that to you.
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: I had sciatica for a year and a half. Bad sciatica.
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: Nine millimeter slip between L5 and S1. How'd you get
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: rid of it? And they wanted to do surgery. And
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: I had had surgery when I was really young because
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: I had a slipped disc between C5 and C6. And
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: they took out part of my hip and they went
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: in through my neck. They moved everything over and they
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: replaced my disc with part of my hip. back when
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: they used to do that.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: They used to replace your disc with part of your hip?
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they would chisel out a part of your hip.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: Like a bone?
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: And that's what your disc was now?
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: A piece of bone? It is now.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: That doesn't even make sense. Your disc is supposed to
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: be spongy.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: I know. I don't understand why.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: They put a piece of bone in there?
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it worked.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: It actually worked, yeah. Dr.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: Delamorter.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: Never forget his name. Jesus.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: So, yeah.
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: And then they used cadaver bone for a while, and
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: now they use what?
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Well, it depends. There's artificial discs. I know a couple
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: people that have artificial discs.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: And it worked.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my friend Eddie got it done in his lower back.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: He was basically bone on bone, constant inflammation. So he
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: got a titanium articulating disc in his back.
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: What is this?
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Surgeon may take a small piece of bone from the
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: hip called an autograft to use in a neck surgery
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: called interior cervical disectomy and fusion. The bone is placed
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: between the space between the vertebrae to stimulate bone healing
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: and promote fusion. Oh, so you got your neck fused.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: They call it a Brolin graft.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, really?
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: No. Hey. Hey.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: Wow. So that's different. You got your hip, your neck fused.
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: Fused.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: Which they probably don't even do fusion.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: They do.
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: They still do fusion. Well, if it's a massive break
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: or something like that, maybe.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't recommend it. There's other ways you can
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: heal bulging discs. And one of them is there's a
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: process called Regenikine. And Regenikine is, I had that done
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: in L.A., in Santa Monica, California. They used to do
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: it in Germany. You used to have to go to
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: Germany to do it. And like Kobe Bryant went over
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: there and Peyton Manning went over there. And what they
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: do is they take your blood out. It's like platelet-rich plasma,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: but it's a more advanced version of it. And they
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: spin your blood in the centrifuge and they add some
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: stuff to it. And it turns it into like one
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: of the most potent anti-inflammatories. And then what they do
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: is you lie down there and they inject it in
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: your back. They have like these little needles. I think
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: there's an Instagram post of me getting it done on
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: my lower back.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: Did you have a slipped disc in your lower back?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: Bulging.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: Bulging.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: It's essentially a bulging disc, but it can go back.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: Bulging disc can go back.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: That was my experience.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: You also have to have traction, like decompression. So there's
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: a bunch. There it is. So that's my back.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: I had that done.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: So they take that and they stick all that shit.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: And they drill that, don't they? They just put holes. No,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: it's just needles. I know it's needles, but it's not
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: like acupuncture. They actually drill that. Then they put the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: needle in, don't they?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: No, they just shove that needle in place. It's just
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: like a syringe.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: On each side of your spinal column, right?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: It's like a syringe. And then inside the syringe, they
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: pump in the Regenikine stuff. Yeah. And then it... It
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: fills those areas up with this platelet-rich plasma that's been enhanced,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: and it just heals everything.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: And did you feel like it helped?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, absolutely. It helped my neck so much. My
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: neck was so fucked.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: Jacked.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: My neck was so fucked I was getting numb fingers
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: and pain in my elbow.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: I have that now.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: Do you really?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: You should go to that place.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and when I ride motorcycles also, I have my
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: hands up like that. I mean, I have shoulder issues.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: But I have a, that slip disc was a nine
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: millimeter slip.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: Why do you like to do this? Why not do this?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: Why this?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: Because that looks cooler.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Does it?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: Not to me.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: It looks super cool when you're doing it right now.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: This looks retarded. This looks good. This looks like you
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: can avoid things.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: Put it up super high. You can move around. Put
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: it up super high.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: This is like.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: That looks retarded.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: When you have to turn.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Like how are you going to turn like that? You're
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: not going to do a good job.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: You look like a gorilla.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: This is better.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: This is better. What about that? This is better. What
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: about this?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: Well, Ducatis. I mean, that's like you're down like this, right?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: That's when I finally crashed was a Ducati. Oh, really?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: You went crazy?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: No, I didn't go crazy. I didn't do anything differently.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: With parlies, you go slower.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: You ride.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: And it's loud, so people know you're there. Thank you.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: That's a big one.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: It's huge. They have electric bikes now. I'm like, do
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: you want to die?
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: They're fast.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: They're so fast. But do you want to die? They're
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: super fast. Nobody can hear you.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: If I'm riding in a grid of 16 guys, because
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: everybody thinks Hells Angels. I go, there's nothing about it
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: that's trying to emulate Hells Angels, Mongols, any of that,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: you know, one percenter thing. But when you hear that
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: rumble coming down the road, you can't wait to get
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: the fuck out of the way. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: And that helps us. That definitely helps you stay alive.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, man.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, loud pipes save lives. I've heard that many times.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: So to finish that thought, what I did was is
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: I went to, I started, instead of resting, which is
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: what doctors normally say, they say do surgery, do surgery, rest, sleep,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: see if that helps. If it doesn't help, do surgery.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: And I did the opposite, which later, you know, Laird
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: was like, anytime you get hurt, Laird will be like movement, movement, movement, movement.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: But this was before all that. But I started working out.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: And it got worse and it got worse and it
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: got worse. But I continued to work out and I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: started running and I started doing pistol squats and all
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: this kind of shit. And then one day it was
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: gone and I never came back.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 6: Really?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: Never came back.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: So you just beat it out of you.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: I beat it out of me. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: Movement is everything. You need circulation.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: You need blood in there, which is why they do PRP,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: which is why they do stem cell work or whatever.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And if you're just sitting there, the problem is
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: you're also going to, your body's going to atrophy. You're
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: going to lose strength, and then it's going to make
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: whatever injured that area in the first place is.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: Probably a lack of strength. But that was always promoted
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: by doctors. Why would that always be promoted by doctors? Again,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: whether it's politicians or whether it's doctors or whether it's–
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: they're telling you this is– You got to eat from
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: the four food groups, man.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: You're going to die otherwise. Well, you know, there's a
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: lot to that stuff. But, you know, the four food
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: group shit is a lot of it is people just
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: not knowing what the fuck they're talking about. That's what
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: I mean. And also there's a different perception back then
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: of like what was healthy versus now. But it's also
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: a lot of these doctors, they're not athletes. And they
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: don't really understand like what's possible with the body. They
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: just know how to fix things when they break. And
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: then for the average person, they say just rest. Because
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: the average person is not going to fucking do what
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: you're doing anyway. So it's like why tell them? Like
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: what you really need to do is movement, constant movement,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: and just beat that injury into submission.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: And no one's going to tell you that.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: How do I feel better? Lose some weight.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: Like go do that uncomfortable thing. Start walking.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: Start slow.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: Maybe jog a little bit. Maybe lift a little something.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: That's why when you see those videos of these guys
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: that just, For whatever is in their personality, they've had
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: fucking enough. They're 400 pounds, and they go, that's it.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: Buck stops here. Yep. I'm going to start doing my shit.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they hit rock bottom.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: They hit rock bottom.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: And then you see this, again, what we were talking
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: about before, incentive, where they just go, I don't give
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: a shit.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: Well, isn't that the same with everything? Like, isn't that
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: how you quit drinking? You just hit rock bottom?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: I was just about to say that.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you don't. I hit rock bottom when I
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: was 15. I was shooting coke at 15. Jeez. So- Yeah,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: the thing that you didn't want to try. I did
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: want to try. But that was that group. That's why
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: so many of those guys died.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: So when I look at Hunter S. Thompson, who I
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: love as a writer, when I look at Dylan Thomas,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: who I love as a writer, and all these guys
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: that had this kind of amazing life, and I feel, too, parallel.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: I had an amazing life, except nobody cared about mine.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: People really cared about theirs. I was just Josh that
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: you wanted to stay the fuck away from. We're like,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: that motherfucker's great to spend like an hour with. And
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: then once it hits 10 o'clock and the moon comes
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: out and the clouds part, you don't want to be
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: anywhere around. Yeah. But then you get to that point
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: where you go, when did Hunter S. Thompson, when did
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: these guys just become like some kind of clown mask
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: of themselves? Right. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: Well, in the end, Hunter was definitely that. Did you
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: ever see when Hunter was on Conan O'Brien's show?
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: It was horrible. He could barely talk. You barely could
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: understand him.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: Everything was mumbling.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: It was real weird. And, you know, he got in
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: a gunfight with his fucking neighbors. He was, like, shooting
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: at his neighbors.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: That's what I mean. It's at what point does it turn.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: He was a full-on drunk. But it wasn't just that.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: His body was, like, rapidly deteriorating. He had hip replacement surgery.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: And he was only 67, I think. That's not old, man. No,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: not that old.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: That's young.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Not that old for what? How old are you?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: 57.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: I'm 56.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: Like my mom died at 55. The whole thing this
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: book became was my mom dying at 55 and me
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: thinking back then she lived a nice long life.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: It's fucking crazy. And then it turned out that I
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 5: was 55 when I wrote the book, which had never even,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: the book kind of dictated itself. And then I went,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: holy fuck, I'm 55. Wow. I'm super young.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: I'm fucking super young.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: Like this, I have some joint issues, but I'm young
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: for the most part.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: For the most part. Yeah, you're physically healthy. You're not
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: falling apart. You just have a few issues, which is
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: just wear and tear of life.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's some people that if you don't take
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: care of yourself and you don't eat well, and there's
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: also a lot of other factors, genetic factors, but you
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: could fall apart pretty quick. But if you're a guy
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: like Hunter that's doing coke and drinking every night, You
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: can't do that.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: No, you can't.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: And the writing was bad. The only time he wrote
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: anything good in later years was 2001, right after 9-11.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: Right after 9-11, he wrote this great piece. I want
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: to say it was like for Sports Illustrated. I forget
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: who he wrote it for, but he wrote this really
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: great piece talking about what happens next after the Twin
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: Towers fall. It's like he wrote this thing about waking
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: up in the morning... Seeing the Twin Towers fall and
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: then realizing what's ahead for us.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: It was very pressing. It was very good. It was very...
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: Was it accurate?
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, now that it's been... It was dead on.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: It was dead on. And it was vintage Hunter. It's
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: like he tapped back into it again.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: It's on ESPN.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: ESPN. That's it.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: ESPN. This is the article?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the article.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: Would you send me this article if it's an article article?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll send it to you.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: I would love that.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: This is.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: you know, this is the whole thing.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, what's so great is when you go, I mean,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: this is kind of popping all over the place, but
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: when you go back and you look at all the politicians,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: whatever side, you know, whatever, whatever red, blue they lean toward,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: it didn't matter because Hunter was there kind of looking
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: for something different and it wasn't all about him. When
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: it came down, they all describe Hunter as this like crazy.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: It was so much fun to hang out with him.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: But there was never a lack of he was super intelligent.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: And wanted the best for everybody.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: He was a real patriot.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: He was a true patriot.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: Did you ever read Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: That's one of the more interesting pieces because you got
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: this guy who's following around the campaign trail and he
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: knows he's only in it for this one time. So
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: he's not like any of these other reporters. He's just
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: writing a book.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: What are you going to do? Fire him? Yeah, exactly.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: And not only that, you can't because he's going to
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: write a book. He's writing a book. You can't fire him.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: Whether you like it or not.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, whether you like it or not, he's writing that book.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: But he's dropping acid. He's talking to these guys into drinking.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: He's taking all these fucking nerdy political reporters and he's
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: introducing them to a perspective that they're not aware of.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: They don't know anybody like that. And the book is
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: fucking incredible. But when you.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: See Gonzo, when you see... It's funny how much we're
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: talking about Hunter S.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 6: Thompson.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: But when you see Gonzo... I don't know if it
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: was in Gonzo or another documentary. You see how they're
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: affected by it. You see a humanity in them because
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: of him that you don't normally get to see. Right.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: Don't you agree?
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: He made you question a lot of things.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: And when people question things, they're like, what am I doing?
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Why am I here? What is my purpose? Or
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: did I have a purpose when I was young and
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: I just fell into this political status quo?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: And he even was questioning, like in the documentary, he
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: was like, I don't even know what people want anymore.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: Do they want Hunter S. Thompson or do they want Gonzo?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: It's not even me anymore. It's like I'm a prisoner
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: of this thing that I've created.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: And that's the thing that happens to people where they
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: develop this sort of image and persona.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: And then you feel like you're trapped by it.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: People have expectations when they meet you.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: That's exactly right.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: Kennison talked about that.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: Did you know Kennison? No.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 7: I did.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: Unfortunately.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: Did you?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: I did. No shit.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: And not because of drugs, just because I was around.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: What year was this? When did he die? 90-ish, 92 maybe.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: I was in New York, so it had to be pre-94.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: Probably 90.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: Somewhere around then.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: I would say 90, I knew him. 90, 91. It
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: was through a friend that I met him, and then
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: he liked me.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: And sweet, incredibly sweet guy.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: He was a motherfucker, dude.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 6: Mother.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: We just got a this guy does bottle cap art.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: Go to my Instagram, Jamie, and see that photo. This
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: guy just made this insane bottle cap art piece of
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: Kinison for my comedy club. And we put it up
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: last night.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: Is he a hero of yours?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. He was one of the first. That's all
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: bottle caps.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, no shit. Yeah.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: Those are bottle caps. Wow, man. Yeah.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: That's like in prison when they use they use cigarette
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: packs and do. Patricia Arquette gave me a piece of
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: art with a bunch of cigarette packs put together. Oh, really? Yeah,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: they make frames. That was it.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: Same kind of thing.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy, his name is Jam Bottle Cap Art,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: J-A-M Bottle Cap Art. He does a bunch of different
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: pieces of bottle cap art. Yeah, he's really good. It's really,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: really cool stuff.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: You need my picture outside. I saw all your mug shots.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: I'd love to have a mug shot of you.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: I'll send you.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Is it good?
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: How fucked up do you look?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: Pretty fucked up. I got a smile on my face.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: When somebody smiles during a mugshot, I always find that
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: really funny.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: So when you met Kennison, was it at a show?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: No. Oh, it might have been the Comedy Club. I'd
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: only been a few times. Sorry, Comedy Store.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: He was out of there by then. He was out
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: of there by 90.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: Well, what's the one down the road by where Greenblatt's.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Used to be?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: Laugh Factory.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you like those?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: I do. I love those things. Very much.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: The Laugh Factory.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: The Laugh Factory. It might have been that.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he got kicked out of the comedy store, I think,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: in like 87 or 88. No, it would have been.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: Then it wasn't there.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was probably The Laugh Factory.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: But that's not where I met him. I met him
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: at a house.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: I met him at a house, and I never went
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: to a lot of those parties. I was just not
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: part of that. Sam wasn't invited. But I met him,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: and he was really sweet, man. He would like mellow out.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: It wasn't like a thing. It wasn't an act all
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: the time. Right.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: But he was a prisoner to that thing that he became.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: For sure. Yeah.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: His brother wrote a great book. It's called Brother Sam.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: It's a really, really good book describing the ascent of
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: his career and how it fucked him up and what
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: happened to him.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: And what do you think it was?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: Drugs. Drugs and partying and just.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: And stratospheric film. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wasn't it instantaneous for him?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Pretty quick.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: So in 1986, he's on Rodney Dangerfield's Young Comedian special,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: and then he does an insane... to this day holds
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: up uh hbo hour and then those two things and
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: then uh um an album that he made called louder
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: than hell and those those things are the best things
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: he ever does everything after that becomes like a significant
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: drop off and in the end he was basically a
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: caricature of who he used.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: To be yeah caricature of himself exactly and.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: He just was captured yeah but it's also imprisoned. There
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: wasn't anybody to tell you how to do it back then.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: There was only a few like massively famous comedians back then.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: There wasn't a lot of us. It wasn't, it wasn't
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: like today. Today there's like a giant community of comedians.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: We all talk to each other and figure it out together.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: And everybody's just about making better stuff. It's not about
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: like getting hugely famous. The ones that just want to
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: get hugely famous, they're all mentally ill. And usually they're, they're,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: career drops off, their comedy starts to suck. They're trying
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: to do the wrong thing. So in Kinison, in the beginning,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: he just wanted to be the best he could be.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: He just wanted to be really fucking good at comedy.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: And coming from this, you know, tent preacher... So he's
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: like this revival tent preacher, and then he gets into
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: stand-up comedy, and he has this charisma and this ability
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: to deliver that's so different than everybody else. And he's
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: this short, fat guy, so when he talks about being
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: married and living in hell, he kind of like empathizes. Like,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: this fucking guy's amazing. And revolutionized comedy, changed comedy. He
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: was the first guy that I ever saw that made
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: me think I could do comedy. Because before then, I
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: loved comedy. I always loved stand-up. But I loved it
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: because it was funny. I would just like to watch
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: Jerry Seinfeld on TV. Oh, these guys are so funny.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: Isn't that funny because you're so different than he is,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: and yet he was the one that you paralleled with
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: that liberated you?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he was wild. That was the thing. I
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: never felt like I fit in. I always felt like
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to be around polite people. If a
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: girl wanted me to go over to her house and
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: have dinner with her parents.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, Jesus.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: I'm fucked.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: They're going to think I'm fucking crazy. But I was
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: a kickboxer. I was a kid who had– I went
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: from– when I was 15 years old, I got like
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: deeply involved in martial arts. My entire social life up
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: until like 21, 22 was just traveling around the country fighting.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: And so I was feral. My mindset was just, I
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: just didn't fit in. I couldn't wear a suit jacket
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: and pretend to be the guy. Did you ever notice?
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: I wasn't that guy. Hello, sir.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: It's great to meet you.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: Things that I thought were funny, other people would think
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: were fucked up. But my fucked up friends would think
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: were funny. And those are the ones who talked me
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: into doing stand-up. But they were equally fucked up.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: Did you start stand-up back then?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: In Boston in 88. In 88?
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Right on.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I went to see Kennison in 89. I
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: got to see him live in 89. I got to
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: see him three times. One time when I was working.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: I was working at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: and he was performing there.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: And I got to see him live. I was a
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: security guard. It was this place in Mansfield. Yeah, the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: whole Taekwondo team that I was a part of got jobs.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: Is that what you did, Taekwondo?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: That's what I used to compete in.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, no kidding.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: Where'd you compete out of?
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: Junchong.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: Where was that?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: L.A.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah, I fought in LA when I lived in Boston.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: I fought in Anaheim in the Nationals. I traveled all
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: over the country competing. That's all I did. And one
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: of the guys who worked with us One of the
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: guys who trained with us got a job as a
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: security guard. And the guy was like, hey, do you
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: know any more guys who know how to fight? We
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: need more guys like that to work for us. They
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: just hired a bunch of us. And so we got
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: to see all these crazy concerts. I got to see
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: Bon Jovi. I got to see Bill Cosby, which was
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: kind of crazy.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: No way.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: I saw Rodney Dangerfield. And Rodney Dangerfield was, there was
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: this backstage area. And Rodney Dangerfield was naked with a
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: bathrobe on. And that's how he would go on stage.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: At the end of his career, like Rodney would go,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: and by the way, murdered. I mean, I was fucking
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: crying laughing. He was probably, I don't know how old
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: he was in 89, but he was old. And this
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: fucking guy was just on stage with a bathrobe on naked.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: Killing it.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: Giant hog, like hanging out of his fucking pants. And
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: he was just hanging out, smoking pot, and then he
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: would go on stage. With a bathrobe on.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: And just kill. Because he wanted to be comfortable.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: How did other comedians feel about him? Oh, they loved him.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: They loved him. Everybody loved Rodney. Everybody loved him.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: Rodney was one of the most universally loved comedians. Because
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: he helped other comedians.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: Like Rodney Dangerfield, he did these things, the Rodney Dangerfield specials,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: like Rodney and Friends. And so he would have... he
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: introduced the world to Dice Clay, Sam Kinison, Robert Schimmel,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: Lenny Clark, Dom Irera, like some of the greats. And
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: they all came out of his Rodney Dangerfield and Friends specials.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: They were some of the greatest specials ever because he
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: would have all these guys that he thought were worth
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: seeing and he would put them out there to the
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: world and they all became superstars. I mean, that's how
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: Sam Kinison launched. He launched from Rodney. And so Bill Hicks,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of people launched from Rodney. And So everybody
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: loved Rodney.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: He was just loved. I know he's your buddy. And I,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 5: you know, because comedians, I used to listen, I used
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: to have six albums and one was a bloody red vinyl.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: Remember the Red Albums?
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: You see the Red Albums?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, yeah. And it was sick. And I don't
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: know where I got them. I think I got them
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: from like a flea market or something. But they were
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: Lenny Bruce. Oh, yeah. And that was the beginning.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: He was the first.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: He was the first.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: He was the first real modern stand-up comedian. Everybody else
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: just told jokes. Like two guys walking to a bar.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: Like that kind of shit. He was the first guy
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: that was like, why do we do this? Why is that?
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: What is this? Where he questioned it.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: Questioned authority.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: And people would come to see him because in the 60s,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: everybody was so confused as to how to think. Like, yeah,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: what are we doing? And this guy was like this.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: And how do we treat each other?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: And he'd literally point people out and he'd go, Eve
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: and Kike and there's a Mick. Yep, yep, yep. And
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: people would go, what the fuck is he doing?
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right, right, right.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: At the most tense time.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: And then he'd bring it around. And that's why it
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: reminds me of Chappelle.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: Because Chappelle would get so seemingly or ostensibly inappropriate.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: And then somehow bring it around. Yeah. And you go,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: fucking genius.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: Dave's a master.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: Master.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: And he's a real artist. That's a guy. Like, you know,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: I talk about like people that only start thinking about money.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: That's not him. That dude lives in fucking Springfield, Ohio
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: and just travels around and just does a lot of
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: shows for no money. He does a lot of shows
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: for no money. He just shows up and performs. One
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: time I was in Denver and I get off stage.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: It's a second show Friday night. So it's 10 o'clock show.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: Show's over. I get off stage. I go into the
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: green room. Dave's there. I go, Dave, what are you
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: doing here, man? He goes, oh, I thought I'd come
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: out and visit you. Just hops on a fucking private
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: jet and flies to Denver because he knew I was there.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: Didn't even tell me. Just shows up. And then I go,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: do you want to go on stage? He goes, oh,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: should I? I go, fuck yeah. So I ran out
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: while the people were leaving. The show was already over.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: I go, everybody, tell everybody on the stairs, come back.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: Dave Chappelle's here. So they all come back in and
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: sit down again. And he does like 45 minutes. And
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: it was right around when Trump was doing– when he
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: got caught saying grab him by the pussy.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: So he had like 10 minutes of a grab him
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: by the pussy. It was fucking genius. It was so good.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: Off the top of his head though? Oh, no. He–
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: I mean I don't know exactly how Dave creates material.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: How designed it is.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: And listening to music and coming up with ideas. And
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: he writes some stuff down, but a lot of what
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: he does is just performs constantly. He's constantly on stage
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: working these things out.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: You said it earlier, artist. He's a real artist. That's
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: the difference between somebody who's just good at what they
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: do and somebody who is an innate artist.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: He's a real artist.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: He's a hero of mine.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: He's a hero of mine, too. He's a good friend.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: But he gets these giant deals with Netflix where he
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: makes a lot of money, which is great. But he
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: doesn't do it for money. He's doing it for art.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: No, but what you can tell is he gets these like, oh,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: he turned down $ 50 million. He went crazy. He moved
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: to Ohio or whatever the fucking story is that you
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: want to make up. But then he comes back. He
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: makes these $ 20 million deals with Netflix. But it's never
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: in place of his agenda.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: No, it's all about the art.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: It's all about comedy. It's all about this wins, this wins.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: This is the priority.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: That's why he left his show because they were twisting it.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: Distorting it.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: I know why he left his show because I've been
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: in that position where you go, this is turning into
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: some corporate version of what you like. You love what
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: I do. Now you can't wait to put your fingerprint
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: on it. Exactly. That's it.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what it was.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: So you can take, so you can go, you know,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: that was me.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: And he gave up $ 50 million when no one was.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: Giving him $ 50 million. Nobody would fucking do that, man.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: And then he quit doing comedy for 10 years. And
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: you know what he would do? He would occasionally show
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: up in a park with like a fucking speaker and
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: just show up and do stand-up.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: No way, man.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: Yes, he did. He did in Seattle. I know he
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: did in Seattle because a friend of mine was at
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: the show. Wow. He shows up. He goes, Dave Chappelle
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: just shows up in this fucking park. He gets a
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: speaker with a microphone and he just starts talking and
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: people just gather around.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: Respect.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: He was just doing these shows, these impromptu shows. He
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: would show up in a bar. Can I go on stage?
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: And they would go, okay.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: And he would just start talking.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: Knowing in his mind that he would eventually come back?
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: That was just the present moment. I think he's just
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: being an artist.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: Just being an artist for the pure sake of being
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: an artist. So he had. the money that he did
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: make off Chappelle's show, and he decided to live frugally
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: and take that money, and he didn't do anything for
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: money for like 10 fucking years. And then he started
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: coming back. And then when he started coming back, I
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: remember him coming around the Comedy Store again, and we
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: had some conversations about it. you know, he just decided
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: to start doing comedy again.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: You see people getting canceled now, and it's devastating to them,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: and yet that's what that was. He just did it himself.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: He canceled himself.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: He canceled the greatest sketch show of all time.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: Of all time.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And it only did two seasons. It's still the greatest.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: But that's not something that you see very often. It's
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: somebody who just fucking can't help but beat to their
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: own drum.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: But the art wins in the end.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: The art wins. You know what I mean? Well, it's
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: obviously when you see him. He's so good.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: He's not malicious. There are moments where you think he's malicious.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: And again, he brings it around.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: Well, the maliciousness is just to heighten the humor. It
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: all just brings it in. It also accentuates some thoughts
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: that you might have about whatever he's talking about.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: But it's what everybody's thinking. Yep, exactly.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: And so fucking terrified to say it. Even me.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: I'm watching it, and I'm the inappropriate guy. And my
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: dad goes, how the fuck do you say what you say?
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: And I don't understand. I said, honestly, do you want
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: to know? Because I'm not ultimately mean. I don't want
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: to fucking hurt. I don't want people to feel less
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: than I do.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: But I watch Chappelle. And even me, I'm like, whoa, fuck. Wow. Yeah.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: He walks that line. He gets out there and walks
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: that line. But he dances around it and he makes
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: it beautiful comedy.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: I appreciate it so much because without him, we're all fucked.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: And he's the way to find out if a comedian's
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: a cunt. Like if a comedian doesn't like Chappelle, they
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: start shitting on Chappelle like.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay. Then you know he's a cunt.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: You're a piece of shit. You're a piece of shit.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: You're just a garbage human.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: Have you ever met anybody like that?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: A lot of these.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: He's not a real comedian.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: He's an asshole.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of like.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: That's not comedy.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: Activist comedians. And what they are is really not talented.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: So they've glommed on to this idea of like being
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: like socially conscious. And that's more important than the humor itself.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: But nobody wants to hear you preach. Nobody thinks that
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: your opinion is better than theirs. This is what I
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: always say. If you go on stage, you have an opinion.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: Other people have an opinion too. If you go on
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: stage and say, I think Kamala Harris would be the
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: greatest president of all time. A lot of people are like, well,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: I don't agree. But you have to have a way
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: to make it funny so that they laugh. The people
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: that disagree with you laugh. I don't even think this
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: guy's correct. Well, goddamn, that's funny. And that's a way
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: you can introduce an idea into someone's head that maybe
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: would never accept that idea it was just opinions so
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: if someone's on stage and they're just saying opinions like
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: you could you could disagree with that opinion don't frustrate
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: you and you you can't talk you don't have you
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: but if that guy can take that opinion and that
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: perspective and make it funny and you're forced to acknowledge
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: that he has a point yeah like there's something in
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: there like i don't even agree with that but fucker
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: god damn that was good god damn that was good
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: And that's the real.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: It liberates, man.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: That's the real Chappelle art.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: That's what he really does. I mean, not that we'll
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: stay on this forever, but remember Eddie Murphy when he did,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: not the first, not Raw, but.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: Delirious.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: Delirious.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: Well, he was a fucking powerhouse, man.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 7: Powerhouse.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: To this day, that is the guy that I just
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: wish I was friends. I was friends with his brother, Charlie.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: But I wish that guy, I wish he would come back.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: You know, I know he got, like, some weird stuff
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: where he got arrested with transsexuals in his car and stuff. Whatever.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 5: So did other people. Whatever. They came back.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: He's just too good. He's too good. He's too good.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: Do you ever see when he gave a speech? He got, like,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: I think it was, like, one of those Mark Twain
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: awards or something like that. And he did stand up. Like,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: where he hasn't done stand up in forever, but he
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: was talking about Bill Cosby having to give his awards back. No.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: Because, you know, he does an amazing Bill Cosby impression.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. I remember.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: And so he did stand up, and it was as
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: sharp as ever. I'm like, God damn, if this guy
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: came back.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: He would be— And it was just off the cuff?
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: It was something that— Oh, I'm sure he prepared. No,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: I'm sure he prepared, but nobody really knew he was
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: going to do it, right?
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: Well, they knew he was going to give a speech.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: And his speech was essentially stand-up.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: Was stand-up.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: You know, his acceptance speech was— Like 20 minutes or
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: 15 minutes of stand-up. Yeah, and it was fucking great.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: And there was all these rumors that he was going
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: to start doing it again. I remember Charlie told me
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: that Dave was thinking about doing it again. or that
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: Eddie was thinking about doing again, but he never did it.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: He never did it. I think it's just too heavy.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: We need comedians. I mean, that's like the theme of
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: this whole thing. Whether you're talking about Hunter, whether you're
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: talking about this, it's just too bad that they self-destruct,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: whether it be from drugs or fame or whatever. You
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: know what I mean?
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: It's hard, man.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: It's really hard. It's hard to maintain.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: And then once you make it, there's these weird pressures.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: But it breaks up the status quo of this contraction,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: especially that we're– I know that's why people move to Austin.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: It's just like I'm fucking sick of being told to
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: think a certain way.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: Well, that's why comedy in Austin works so well because
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: we all moved here at the same time. We all
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: moved here in 2020. Like I was I was here because, well,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: Ron White moved here first and Ron White is a
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: dear friend of mine. And he moved here before the pandemic.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: And Ron was like, I don't want to live in
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: LA anymore. I fucking love it here. There's no traffic.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: Fucking food's great. Fucking people are nice. I can travel.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: I fly. I'm in the center of the country. I
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: can fly anywhere real quick. And I was like, damn,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: could I live in Texas? I'm like, I don't know
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: about that. And then COVID came. and my wife was
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: kind of interested a little bit, but then when the
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: riots started happening in LA, then she got really scared.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: She got very, it was a lot of home invasions,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: it was a lot of crazy shit that was happening.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: Where is she from originally? She was from Colorado.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: Okay, so not an LA born.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. And so she lived in LA with
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: me for a while and we were happy. you know
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: we lived in Bell Canyon which was like outside of
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: LA it's nice peaceful had a little land coyotes and
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: hawks and shit yeah well for me it was okay
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: because I had quiet where I lived and then I
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: could drive into the comedy store and I loved it
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: but then when they shut the comedy store down they
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: shut everything down and I was like baby, they're not
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: going to let us go back. This is like these
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: fucking cocksuckers have control now, and that's what they like.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: That's why they became politicians in the first place. They
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: like telling people they can't work. They have a grip
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: on society, and they're going to fucking keep this grip.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: We've got to get the fuck out of here.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: So did you move sight unseen? Did you move just–
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: did you just come? Did you find a place?
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: I came looking for– You came and you hung out
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: for a while? I came looking to see if I
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: could deal with it. We took like a few days
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: off and we flew to Austin with some friends who
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: were also thinking about doing it. None of them wound
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: up moving here. A couple of them moved to Dallas.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: But we came here and then one of the things
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: that helped, my daughters were 10 and 12 at the time.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: They were really young. And they were real confused about
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: what was going on in L.A. It was spooky. You know,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: you had to wear a mask everywhere, and that freaks
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: kids out. It was freaky. We came to Texas, no masks.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: You go to restaurants, and we had this great real
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: estate lady. She's a good friend now. And she took us.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: We wanted to see this house, and she took us
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: on a ride on a boat. She had a friend
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: to take us on the lake. We go on the lake.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: People are playing Leonard Skinner. They're jumping in the water.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: They're laughing and singing. And in L.A., everybody's thinking, like,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: the world's going to end. There's demons in the air.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: No, man, I was in New Mexico, and I was
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: out on a 100,000-acre ranch.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 5: Right? And we were doing Outer Range. We were doing
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 5: the first season of our show, and we were tested
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: every morning. And when I was out in the middle
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: of nowhere, I mean, with, like, good 15-mile-an-hour winds, you'd
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: have somebody come up. If I put my mask down
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: to talk, you'd have somebody go, Yeah.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: And I'd be like, we're in the middle of nowhere. Also,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: it doesn't even work. It doesn't work.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: It's stupid. I'm not even saying that I have a
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: certain belief system or anything. But in that moment.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: Provable that they don't work.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: Provable. Yeah.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: And people lost their fucking minds. And it was a
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: stress test. And so we came out here. I bought
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: a house like quick. And I was here.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 5: Is it still the same house you have now? Really? Really.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we looked at the house in May. I was
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: living in it in August. And we were here. And
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: then my kids started going to school out here. They
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: loved it. I loved it right away. We were performing.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: And then we were doing shows inside where everybody's like,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: this is crazy. You guys are doing shows indoors? Because
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: Texas didn't give a fuck. They're like, do shows. Like
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: a couple months after COVID, they're like, eh, open it up.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: So what are the numbers of people who got COVID?
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: You know, I've never had COVID.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: You never got it at all? No. That's crazy.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: I never got it. I don't know if that's a
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: blood type. I don't know. What is that?
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: Maybe you're healthy.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: Maybe I have it right now. I have a bit
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: of a cold right now. Maybe you have it. Sorry, dude.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: The new COVID is a joke. It's like, we used
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: to test every day. We used to, like, everybody that
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: came in, because I wanted to be compliant. I wanted
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: people to feel safe. People were flying out here to
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: do podcasts. I wanted to make sure they're not a dick.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: And so we tested everybody before every show. And one
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: time I came in and I had the sniffles. And
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: I was like, maybe it's COVID. Maybe it's COVID. And
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: the nurse was like, actually, you have COVID. I was like,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: no way. I'm like, this is the new COVID? But
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: I had it once and famously got in trouble for
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: saying that I didn't get vaccinated, but I got healthy.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: And it was the CNN attacks and all that shit.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: And then the second time I got COVID, it was
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: literally sniffles. And it was gone in like a day
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: or two.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: So were the numbers different in Texas than anywhere else?
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: I'm curious.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, the numbers are all, like, the real people
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: that got sick are the people with comorbidities. That was
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: the real issue. What it exposed is metabolic health.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: And it's not that it didn't exist. It did, because
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: I have a brother-in-law who was in New Orleans in
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: the epicenter of it, and it was the beginning of
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: his residency and all that, and he was like, oh, bro.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, it fucking existed.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, it was fucking gnarly.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're really unhealthy, COVID fucked you up.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 5: Fucked you up.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: If you're really fat in particular, there was something about
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: the way it reacted.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: To fat people. African-Americans, too, he said.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: That's a vitamin D thing.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: That's a vitamin D thing.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: Well, African-Americans, the reason why they're so dark, the melanin
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: is to protect them from the sun. And melanin in
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: white people, the reason why they're so pale is because
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: it acts as like a fucking solar panel for vitamin D.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: It's a sponge.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: So the melanin actually protects them from the sun's damage,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: but it also makes it more difficult for them to
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: get vitamin D. So my friend did his residency in
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: New York, and he said during the wintertime, We would
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: do blood panels on people, and they would have undetectable
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: levels of vitamin D.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: And this is the reason why people get sick in
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: the winter.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: You're covering up. You're indoors most of the time. You're
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: not getting any vitamin D. You're not getting any sun.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: If you're not supplementing, and not just with vitamin D,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: by the way, you have to mix vitamin D with
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: K2 and magnesium. That's the most effective way for your
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: body to process it. If you're not doing that, your
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: immune system is shit.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: It's not that you're giving, you're not a living petri
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: dish and you're giving each other the thing because you
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: would do that in the summer too. But the minute
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: you go outside and you get that vitamin D and
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: you get that sun, it's burning it away. Yeah.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: Well, you're out.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: In the sun.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: You're healthier. You're supposed to be outside.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: We're not designed to be locked up in fucking cubicles
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: and fluorescent lights all day. It's not normal.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: So it's not healthy. And if you don't do something
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: to mitigate that and to counteract that, your metabolic health
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: is going to suffer. If you're not fit, if you're
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: not healthy, if you're overweight, if you're not eating well,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: if you're not taking vitamins, all those things are a
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: huge factor that was completely ignored. And the narrative was like, no,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: you need this novel injection that we haven't tested on anybody.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: We're going to fucking shoot it in every baby, every kid,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: every pregnant woman.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: Did you ever take one?
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: I almost did. I didn't think it was a bad thing.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: This whole pandemic is through education and talking to doctors
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: and also through my experiences, it completely changed my concept
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: and my thought about the medical system. When the vaccine
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: was first available, I was more than willing to get it.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: In fact, the UFC allocated like 150 vaccines for all
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: their employees. And we were doing these COVID shows where
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: there was no audience. So we would do it at
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: the Apex in Vegas where the UFC has their own
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: small arena and And we'd have the fights there. And
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: you'd go and get tested. I'd get tested in Austin.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: I'd fly to Vegas. And then they'd test me again.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: And you weren't supposed to go anywhere. You just stayed
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: in your hotel. And then you showed up and did
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: the fights. And then they got the allocations for the vaccine.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: And I called up the doctor and I said, hey,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: I'm here for the fights. Can I get vaccinated? They said, sure,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: come on in. And then when I got there, I
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: called the doctor and said, actually, you have to go
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: to the clinic. We have to do it at the clinic.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: Can you go on Monday? And I said, I can't.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: I have to go back to Austin, but I'll be
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: back in two weeks for the next fights and we'll
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: do it then. And he said, great. In that two weeks,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: they pulled the vaccine because people were getting blood clots.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: And then also during that two weeks, two people that
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: I knew had strokes. Like one guy was in his
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: 50s and one guy.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: Was in his 40s. Immediately following the vaccination?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: Within days of the vaccine, got strokes. And I had
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: a bunch of friends that had complications. One friend who
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: has a pacemaker. I have a second friend now that
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: has a pacemaker. And there was all these things that
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: just kept happening.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: A pacemaker that they'll have for the rest of their lives?
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It depends on whether or not your
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: heart heals, like how bad the damage is. But his
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: heart would stop beating for like nine seconds at a time.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: Wow, man.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: And he would just faint. And he was falling down.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: And, you know, Dr. Drews talked about this. He believes
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: that's what happened to a lot of people that got boosted.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: A lot of people like after the booster. Like there's
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: something that would happen where your heart would just stop
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: beating for a while and you'd black out and it
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: would start up again. Because it wasn't proven.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: It wasn't a proven thing. But then again, how many
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: of them are proven?
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: You said it's what, 72, 73 shots? Yeah, well, that's
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: a different kind of vaccine. No, but I understand that.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: But there's still vaccines. And you go, why.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: So much more now? Is there that much more disease?
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: It's money.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: I think it's money.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: It's all based on money.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not an anti-vaccine person, but I subscribe
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: to Robert F. Kennedy's perspective. They should all be tested.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: They should be safety tested, and they're not.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: But it comes down to this thing, like we were
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: talking about working out. It comes down to this thing
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 5: where you go, listen, the medical community I can use—
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: For certain things. The holistic community I can use for
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: certain things. Why do I have to deny one just
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 5: to be full in on the other?
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Well, it's just a narrative that they put out
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: there that medicine and pharmaceutical drugs are the most important
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: thing and everything else is bullshit.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: Everybody should take Oxycontin.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: Everybody should be on at least 10 Oxycontin a day.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: Help you feel better. You'll feel better. Just like, oh,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: I feel better.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: You don't have to do anything.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: You don't have to feel bad about it.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: So when we came here, that was the thing, was
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: like everybody who came here was kind of like, fuck this.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: And then there were so many of us that Ron
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: talked me into opening up a comedy club.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: I remember Ron- You opened your own.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: Ron went on stage for the first time in months.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: I think it was eight months. And he grabbed me
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: by the shoulders right after he got up. I mean,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: he fucking crushed. He goes on stage. There's this giant
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: standing ovation. He crushes and he comes off stage. He
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: grabs me by my shoulder. He goes, whatever the fuck
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: we have to do, we're going to keep doing this.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: He goes, you got to open up a club. I go, okay,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: I'm going to open up a club.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: Yes, sir.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: And then I just started looking at club spots.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: How often do you do it?
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: Almost, I mean, every week.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: Every week you're up there?
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: I went on last night three times. I did three
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: sets last night. Wow.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's cool.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: I'm constantly working.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: Do you know Robert Rodriguez?
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: The director?
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: No, I don't know him personally.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: I'm aware of him, though. That surprises me. Yeah. That's
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: who I'm doing. I'm at the Paramount Theater tonight.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: I love that guy.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I love him. Yeah. I've known him for 30 years.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, and I'd love to meet him. But, no, I
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: love his work, though.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, super good guy. Yeah. And he plays at Antoine's
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 5: a lot.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, Antoine's.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: Antoine's.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is still there, right?
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: That's Gary Clark Jr.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: 's place.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, my friend Gary. I didn't know.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: So my wife knows Gary's wife really well.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, my wife knows Gary's wife really well.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: Oh, shit, dude. I met somebody on the plane who
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: sat next to me, so I.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: Flew from New York. Yes, they sent a picture to
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: my wife.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: No. Yes, yes.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 5: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Bentley?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know the guy's name. I don't know the guy.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no. The guy that I met
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: on the plane today, he said, what are you here doing?
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: I said, oh, I'm going to see Brogan this afternoon.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: I'm doing Paramount Theater tonight. And he said, oh, that's
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: so funny. And he didn't talk to me the whole flight.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 5: And he said, my son Bentley went out with Rosie.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 5: For a year.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: That's what it is. So he sent a photograph to
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: my wife. Because I took a photograph of him that
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: he sent to his wife. Yeah, so I saw it today,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: right when I was leaving. My wife shows me the photograph.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: That's fucking funny.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 5: That's crazy.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: Small world.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 5: Really small world.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: Super, super small world.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so yeah, Gary's wife and my wife are
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: good friends.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I've never met Gary. Oh, he's the best. But man,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: I love him.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: He's the best. I mean, that's another artist.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 5: A true artist.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: That's an artist. I mean, he's an artist.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 5: Another true artist. I was just with him. I did
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: his video. I was asked to do a lot of
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: videos and I've never done a video because I've never
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: wanted to do a video. The idea of doing video
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 5: seems weird to me. You're like, you know, singing somebody
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: else's song or something like that. But Chris Stapleton, who's
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: been a friend for a long time. So we were
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: in Marfa together. Has he?
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I love that guy.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 5: One of the greatest fucking guys. He and Morgan. One
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: of the greatest people. So yeah, we were together over
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: the weekend in Marfa, Texas.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's fucking cool. Yeah, it was awesome. And Gary's
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: another guy that I knew back in L.A. I met
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: Gary at the comedy store.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 5: Doesn't he still live in L.A.? No, he lives here. Oh,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 5: he does? Full time?
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: Yep, and that's the same thing. When I talk to
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: Gary about it, I go, why'd you move to Texas?
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: And this was back when I was still living in L.A.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: He goes, man, fuck that. Fuck that place. Fuck everything
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: about that place.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: I don't like it. I don't feel good there. We
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: haven't moved to Austin. I've spent a lot of time here.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: I love it here. My mom's from Corpus Christi. I've
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 5: spent a lot of time in Texas. I'm going to
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: eat Whataburger while I'm here. And, but I, you know,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 5: we moved to Santa Barbara recently and it's one of
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 5: those things. It's just like, there's the thing about LA
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: when you don't need, because you can do so many
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: things remotely and you go, why am I here?
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 5: Right. Why am I here? Like I embraced this staunch
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: thing of I'm a Californian and I loved going to
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: New York and seeing how proud people were in New York.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 5: And I'd go back to California and I'd say, I
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 5: wanna be the one proud person that's in California.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: There was proud people in L.A. for a while.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 5: There were for a while.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: We were all proud that we were L.A. Comics.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah. L.A.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: Comics were like a different thing than New York Comics.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: Because New York Comics were all like for themselves. They
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: were all kind of shitty and backstabby. And at the
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: Comedy Store we had a real community. It was like,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: we were.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: And that's the best thing. And what you've done is
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: recreate it. Like even when I talk about a chopper community,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: that's what it is. It's a community that you can
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 5: rely on.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: Regardless of belief system or anything like that. You go,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 5: but that guy has my back.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 5: That guy will walk through fire for me.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: That guy wants me to do well.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: That's your people.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: That's my people.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 5: And that's the same thing with that.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: All my people moved out here. They moved out here
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: with me. So we had like 16 top shelf comedians.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: move out here in the first two years.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 5: That many?
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: There's so many clubs out here. There's five clubs on
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: the street where my clubs are.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: That's crazy.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: I bought the old Ritz Theater.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: So that's the Comedy Mothership now. And down the street,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: there's a Sunset Club that my friend Brian owns. And
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: that's a club that's like five doors down from me.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 5: So all these are new clubs that's happened in the
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 5: last four years.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: The Vulcan was already there. That was the club that
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: we started working at when we came here. That's down
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: the street from me. That's only like a block away.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: And then there's the Creek in the Cave, another comedy
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: club that's only like two blocks away. There's a bunch
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: of them just on this one street.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 5: What if I move here and open a club and
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 5: just do monologues? Do you think people will come?
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: If it's good. Ladies and gentlemen, this one's from Sicario.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: If it's good, people would go. They might.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: They might.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: Look, man. You really have a.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 5: Passion for something. This is the weird artsy city, which
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: I love.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: It's a great artsy city.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of fake artists.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 5: I know, but there is everywhere.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of posers. But that's all people
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: that just like the idea of them being the one
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: who decides what's real and what's not real. Just goofs.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: You're always going to have that. There's a lot of that.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: They hated us when we came here. But really what
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: they didn't like is that you couldn't just fuck around anymore.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: The real killers were here now. The real top shelf,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: like national headliners, guys like Tom Segura and Tim Dillon
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: and these– animals moved into town so this is like
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: a new hub oh it's the hub of the world
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: for comedy the comedy mothership is the hub of comedy
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: in the world that's wild yeah and it just just
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: opened two years ago that's cool it's packed every night
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: it's it's awesome like dave came down like opening week
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: it was incredible and no one knew he was there
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: so uh i did a set and then uh after
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: i did a set i i introduced him and everybody
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: just went fucking ape shit and we're like It's up.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: Like the club's rolling now. Now it's really happening. And
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: then all these people were coming in from all over
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: the country and a bunch of people moved here. And
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: there's people moving here constantly. Shane Gillis moved here and
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: all these guys moved here.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 5: So it's still happening.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: It's still growing.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: People are still coming, migrating in droves.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: We're talking about opening up another club because we're so
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: packed every night and we have so many comics. We
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: almost have too many comics and not enough room.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 5: Has the place grown a lot in the last four years?
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 5: The city? Yeah, but do you see a gentrification of
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: it or just like things that you got?
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: You see a lot of tech bros have moved here because,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: you know, Google moved here and Facebook and Tesla.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: I remember when Jesse James moved here, which was a
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 5: while ago.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: He moved here a long time ago.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 5: A long time ago. Yeah. I remember when he moved
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 5: from Long Beach.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: And he called me and he was like, it's fucking
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: great here.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: It's fucking great.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 5: It's better.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: I just never will live in a place that has
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: traffic ever again. I'll never live in a big city.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: Austin's like a million people. There's a million on the
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: outside and a million in the city. It's nothing. It's easy.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: It's easy to get around. People are friendly. They're just
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: like real people. There's no one here that's like connected
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: to that machine that forced compliance.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 5: Why do you think that feeds into your art? Like
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 5: to me, being in L.A., when everybody's talking about what's
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: your status right now?
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 6: Yuck. Yuck. Yuck.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: Yuck.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: What's your status?
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: All people care about is, are you killing? Are you
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: going on stage and fucking killing? Are you doing your
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: best work? Are you doing it?
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: Period. Are you doing your best work? Like, do you care?
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 5: Do you give a shit? Do you really care?
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: Are you really working on it? Are you really?
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: Are you just another affectation?
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: And if you're at that club, you have to be
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: working on it because there's too many people that are
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: working on it.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: There's too many killers.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: You can't just be lazy. You won't survive. There's too
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: many killers.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: I want to go to this club.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 7: Anytime.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: Go tonight.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: If you want to come tonight.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: Well, I got this thing to do tonight.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: When's your thing? What time is it?
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Eight? Seven?
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: We have a 7 o'clock show and a 10 o'clock show.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll come afterwards.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 5: Come after.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: Come hang out.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: Jelly Roll was there last night.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: Was he really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 5: That's cool.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: Jelly Roll's the man. He's here all the time. He's
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: always hanging out here.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: Do you have my book?
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: I do not.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: You don't? No, I do not.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: No one sent it to me. They did. It probably
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: went to a publicist or someone.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: I was going to bring a book for you.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: I'll buy it. Josh Brolin from Under the Truck. Why
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: from under the truck?
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: What do you think?
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: Because that's where you were drunk, passed out?
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: That's where my mom's boyfriend was drunk and passed out.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 5: But it has this, to me, I chose it because
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 5: it has a double entendre that when you're under a truck,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: you're either fixing it or getting run over by it.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: Hence my life. I'm either getting run over by it
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 5: or fixing it.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: How did you sort it out? Because you're so together now.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: Am I?
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you are.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 5: Thank you. You're fun. You're fun. Thanks, man.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: Fun people are together. If you can be fun, you're together.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 5: I think I'm at that place. I found a place
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 5: that you have always been at that I didn't have.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 5: I had the opposite where you go, no, I didn't
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: do cocaine because, and forget the drugs. It's the mentality.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 5: I didn't do cocaine because it would kill me. And
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 5: I would go, oh, that stuff will kill you. Yeah.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 5: Let's just walk that line. I always wanted to walk
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 5: that line. And I had a mother that walked that line.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: The book is very mother heavy. Very, very mother-heavy. And
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: it wasn't intended to be. It just turned out that way.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: That's why I wanted to... Fuck, I wish I had
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 5: a book.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: No worries.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: I wanted to read you a section of the LSD,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: 13-year-old LSD thing. Because it's fun. Yeah, it's juicy. Yeah.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 5: You like juicy stuff.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 5: And I want to read you juicy stuff.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: 13 LSD is so wild. That's such a crazy, mind-blowing
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: experience for a 13-year-old to have.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Can you imagine? Because you look at, I mean,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: I had kids when I had my first kid, I
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 5: was 20 years old and I was looking at 14
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 5: years in prison. Oh my God. Yeah. So Christ. So I,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 5: that's why I didn't, I would, I missed my shot
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: out there. I was surprised. It's Johnny Cash.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: There's, we're going to order it. Find Josh Brolin's.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah. See if it's in there. I think there's
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: a couple.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: Get a big mental print of it. Not that I'm
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: proud of it, but, Um, well, it's part of your
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: life and it's why you're you today because you've gone
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: through shitty experiences.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah. But I don't know if they're shitty. That's what
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 5: I haven't, I haven't decided whether they're shitty or whether
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: they're necessary for this person to get to this place
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: and not everybody gets to that place. So we're talking
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 5: about all these people like Hunter S. Thompson.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: Hunter S.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 5: Thompson is my mother, man. Just did. She wasn't a
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: good writer. but everything that you the song that was
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 5: my mom my mom had a loaded 9mm at her
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 5: bedside table all the time she was part of the
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: what was the scam that went on in the 80s
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 5: the pyramid scam remember that she was one of the
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: top 5 winners of the pyramid scam she could talk
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: anybody into anything so she would come home literally man
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: with bags with grocery bags full of cash and she'd
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: dump it out and she'd say count So I would
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: sit there.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean? And she'd put them in.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: I finally found, I think she had hidden some in
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 5: her dresser. And there was like a loose board that
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: she took away and put money in there. And I
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: found it and bought some drums.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: When my grandmother died, we found stuff like that in
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: her house because my grandmother went through the depression.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: And so everybody, they all like stockpiled money. So she
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: had coffee cans filled with money. that she had like
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: tucked away in like different areas of the house that
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: we found after she died.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 5: Right, right. That's kind of great. Yeah. The mentality of like.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the mentality that you grow up or you
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: literally might starve to death. There's no food.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: And you become, there's no way that can't affect you
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: and that's the whole point.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: No way.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 5: There's no way that somebody can have that mentality if
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 5: every cent means something.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 5: And we have to hide it unless somebody else takes
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: it or whatever. With my mother, it was always looking
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 5: for the most vivid experience. And I don't know why
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: that was. Her parents weren't like that. It's just how
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: she was. And then you either have my brother. I
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 5: don't know if you have siblings or not, but my
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: brother dealt with it totally different. My brother imploded. So
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 5: he lives his life as simply as you can possibly
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 5: live it. Whereas me, it was my reaction was.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: The other way.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. So how now and why? I don't know.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 5: I'm 45 years old. It feels like a good age
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: to go, okay, do I want to go Nick Nolte
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 5: or do I want to go... Right, right, right, right.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: And I can do that.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: Easy.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: Nick used to date Vicky Lewis, who was on news
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: radio with me.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: No way. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: I remember Vicky well. Super talented.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: Super talented.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, could sing, could act. She was a firebrand.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: And Nick... we used to hang around the set and
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: it was always so weird to me to be talking
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: to Nick Nolte. It was so strange.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: I remember one time I went to Fry's Electronics because
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: I was going to buy some, I used to make
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: my own computers.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: Because I was like really into like computer games. So
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: I'd like build my own computers.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: And so I'm there like looking at motherships and I
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: see this fucking old guy with his glasses on and
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: I go, I go, Nick. He goes, oh, hey, Joe.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: How are you, man? Do you know anything about these things?
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: I was talking to him about computer stuff, but I
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: just couldn't believe he knows my name. He remembered me.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 5: He saved my life, man. He saved my life at 25.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: Bro, there's a terrible movie called Warrior.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 5: It's a terrible movie.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: Terrible movie. You mean the UFC movie with Tom Hardy?
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: That movie sucks. But he's... fucking incredible in it he's
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: amazing his one scene this one scene when he breaks
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: down you know he's the dad it's so fucking good
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: it's so good that one scene is worth sitting through
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: the entire preposterous movie yeah why do you hate that
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: movie so much because it's fake you can't have you
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: can't fight like two days in a.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: Row wasn't the Tyson Jake fight wasn't that amazing yeah.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: It's amazing they got paid so much money for that.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: $ 25 million and $ 40 million?
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: I think $ 20 and $ 40. Yeah, I think that's what
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: I'd heard. You know, which I'm happy Mike got the money,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: and I'm happy that he didn't get hurt. That was
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: my fear that it was going to be a real
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: fight and he was going to get hurt.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 5: You've known him for a long time. I've known him
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 5: for a long time.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: I love that dude.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 5: Me too.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: And he was a, like, larger-than-life figure in my childhood.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 5: Truly, me too.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: When I was a kid, when he was the champ.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: It was like people don't understand what a champ he was.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: Like he wasn't just the heavyweight champ of the world.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: He was an executioner. Like every fight was just a
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: matter of how long was it going to last.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: I don't remember which fight it was that I went
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 5: to go see a couple of fights. And I actually
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 5: went to go see Julio Cesar Chavez fight. And that's
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: when I met Tyson in the green room. And I
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: met at the same time Muhammad Ali in the green room.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 5: That was a moment.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: As a boxing fan, that was a real moment. But
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 5: I remember, and I don't know who it was, and
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 5: I think it was a 90-second fight, and I went
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: to go see this fight, and Tyson was fighting, and
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 5: this guy was doing this stuff. And he had this cut.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: He had built himself into confidence. And Mike came out afterwards.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: He was the first one, obviously. And Mike came out afterwards,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 5: and I watched his face. I didn't watch Mike. You
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 5: would normally watch Mike because he's so charismatic, and he's coming,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 5: you want to see what he's going to do. And
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 5: I watched the guy's face. And I watched that confidence
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 5: bleed from his face instantaneously. He had absolutely lost the
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 5: fight long before Mike had ever gotten in the ring.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I maintain that in a time where he was champion,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: like the two or three years where he was at
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: his best, he's the greatest fighter of all time.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: Of all time.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: Of all time.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 5: That's why it was so interesting to me as I
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 5: was watching it, and I'm very verbal when it comes
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 5: to that shit. Come on! What the fuck?
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? And he's still quick. Oh, yeah.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: He's still quick. He's still very quick. And he would
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: do these things. But, you know, Mike had, like, he
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: was walking with a cane just like a year and
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: a half ago.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but he was really out of shape.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: He had bad sciatica.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 5: Bad sciatica. Yeah.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that. Yeah, real bad. It wasn't that
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: long ago that he was, you know, I mean, when
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: I first met him, he was very, very heavy. He
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: was not working out at all. And I asked him,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: how come you don't work out? He goes, I don't
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: want to ignite my ego. He goes, I don't want
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: to ignite the gods of war.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 5: The gods of war.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: And then the second time he came in was when
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: he was preparing for the Roy Jones Jr.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 6: Fight.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: Came in here?
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: And he was a totally different human being. He was
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: fucking jacked and in shape. And he looked super intense.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: And he was just, like, ready to go. And it
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: was terrifying.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 6: It was like.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: And Jamie... Wait, when was this? A few years ago.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: Four years ago? Four years ago? And so when he
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: came in the second time, I was like, this is,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: Jamie said it afterwards. He's like, that's a totally different
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: human being than the first time we saw him. He
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: was one of the first guys, like, like I said,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: with Nick Nolte, he was like, is that really Nick Nolte?
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: This is crazy. I can't believe he's right there. Mike
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: Tyson was one of the first people that I met
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: that I can't believe he's really here. Cause just like,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: he was so iconic. Like you had to be alive
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: and be a kid during the time where he was
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: the champion to understand what he was. Cause there was,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: After Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: no one liked him because he beat up Muhammad Ali.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: So people always just wanted him to lose.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but is that the only reason? There's just a
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: certain air of somebody and they come along once in.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: A great while. Yes, but Larry Holmes never got his due.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: He was an amazing fighter.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 5: Amazing fighter, but still.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: But when he retired, then there was just like a
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: series of boring champions. Like no one cared about the
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: heavyweight division at all. No one cared. And then the
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: cover of Sports Illustrated, I have it framed in my
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: office at home. It said Kid Dynamite on it.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 5: And he was.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: 19 years old, and I was like, who is this guy?
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: And then I started watching him fight, and then he
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: was fighting on like ABC, Wild World of Sports. You're like,
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 5: Do you find yourself going back and watching highlights just.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: To do it?
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: I do it all the time. I watch Tyson fights
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: all the time.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I just watched his fight with Frank Bruno just
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: a couple of days ago.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 5: Frank Bruno. Oh, my God.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: Tyson was something. I just don't think you can maintain that.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: You can only do that for.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 5: A few years. The only fights that never worked out,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 5: do you remember the fight with him and Bone Crusher Smith?
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Not a great fight. No, wasn't the best fight.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 5: Because Bone Crusher Smith was not a great fighter.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: Well, he was a good fighter.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 5: But not a great fighter.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: Tough guy. Yeah. But, you know, brutal knockout puncher. It
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: just wasn't at Mike's level. Yeah. Mike was at a
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: level that no one was at. It was just, it
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: was an insane combination of discipline, talent, incredible coaching.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: Psychology. You know, when he was 13 years old, he
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: was adopted by a guy who was a hypnotist. Cus
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: used to hypnotize him.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 5: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he hypnotized him by the time he was 13.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 5: Into being the greatest fighter?
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 3: Into being the greatest fighter.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 3: And he told him, you don't exist. Only the task exists.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 3: And the task was just destruction.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 5: Did Mike tell you that?
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: I've never heard him say that. Did he say that
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: to other people? Oh, yeah, he said it publicly. I've
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: never heard it. Yeah, he talked about the hypnotist. The hypnosis,
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: he started doing it when he was 13 years old.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 5: So what's the parallel between, and this is the last
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 5: thing I'll interview you about. What's the thing between Tyson
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 5: and Jon Jones? Who I met once and I looked
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 5: at him when I met him on a plane. And
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 5: he didn't give me really the time of day. But
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 5: I was like, I'm a huge fan. And I don't
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 5: say that often to a lot of people.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 3: He probably gets that all day long.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 5: I'm sure he does. There's no doubt. Special fighter.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: It's conquerors. That's what it is. They're both conquerors. I
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: had this thing that I put up on my Instagram
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: the other day that somebody made. It was me talking
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: about trying to explain why John exists. That there's people
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: that are just different. They're wired different. And they are
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: uncommon amongst uncommon men. They just rise to the top
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: of the top.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 5: They're the black op of their promotion.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: And they just dominate. They just dominate. And that's John.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: He's just the greatest of all time.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 5: It's exciting to watch.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: He's 37 years old and he's still the greatest.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 5: That's crazy. I mean, watching that fight, watching Tyson or
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: Jake Paul or whatever. Jake Paul. I wouldn't even want
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 5: to say Tyson. And then going the next day and
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 5: watching that fight. Watching those fights. It wasn't the only fight.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 5: The one before was.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 5: What was his name? The fight before John Jones.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, Charles Oliveira and Michael Chandler. Yeah, incredible fight. Incredible fight.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 5: Amazing fight.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, John is a special dude. When he's gone,
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: we're all going to miss him. He's a different kind
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: of guy. I mean, he's been at the top for
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: 14 fucking years. He won the title as the youngest
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: guy to ever win a UFC title.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 5: 23.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: And Mike was the youngest heavyweight champion of all time
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: at 20, which is really crazy. Crazy.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 5: Crazy.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: But when Jon Jones won that title at 23, it's
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: just been destruction of everyone ever since. Never ducked anybody,
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: fought all the best, destroyed everybody, dominated his division, went
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: up to heavyweight, dominates at heavyweight.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 5: So why does somebody like that self-destruct? Is that a self-destruction?
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: Because he's a wild motherfucker. That's how you get to
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: be that good.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 5: Isn't that what we're talking about the whole time? Whether
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 5: it's Hunter S. Thompson and this. and how you walk
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 5: that line. Mike Tyson spending whatever, 350, 400 million dollars,
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 5: going to jail, whatever that is. Wild.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 3: But that's also what makes you so good, that wildness.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: Jon Jones, when he fought Mauricio Shogun Hua for the
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: light heavyweight title when he was 23 years old, he
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: opens up the fight with a flying knee. Nobody does that.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: You're fighting a legend. Shogun, at that time, when he
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: was the light heavyweight champion, He was a legend, and
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: not just a legend from the UFC, but a legend
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: from Pride. Pride was this gigantic organization in Japan that Shogun.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 5: Really became famous.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: So he was like a mythical creature almost in MMA circles.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 3: That was Shogun Hua.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 5: He was a beast. Conor McGregor and Jon Jones.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: Jon's in a different category.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 5: It's a different thing.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Conor self-destructed in a lot of ways because of money.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, he took that fight with Floyd Mayweather,
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: made a ton of money off that and then took
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: a long time before he came back to MMA. And
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 3: it's just not been the same guy since. And I
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: think that's just it's money. It's a lot of partying,
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: but it's the same kind of thing. It's just a while.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: But in his prime, when when Conor was in his prime,
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: he was.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 5: He was a fucking assassin.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: He was a fucking assassin.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 5: But it's that thing, that through line of not being
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 5: able to let go. It's like what you were talking about, Chappelle.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 5: Chappelle leaves for 10 years, but then he goes to
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 5: the park and he does a thing. There's a thing
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 5: that's insatiable, that warrior mentality.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's a difference because physically you can only
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 3: fight for so long.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 3: Comedy, you get better every year.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: Dave's better now than he was a year ago. He'd
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: be better two years.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 5: From now than he is now. You can still be
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 5: Rodney Dangerfield eventually. Right.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: When I saw him, he was probably 70 years old,
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: and he was murdering in his fucking bathrobe, naked.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 5: With his schlong hanging out.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was still amazing because it's not a physical thing.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: Your body can only compete at the highest levels for
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: so long, which is one of the things that's so
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 3: extraordinary about John. Because he's 37, and he still competes
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: at the highest level.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 5: It blew my mind the other night. It was exciting.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 5: It was nice to be excited about something.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: Steve Bates passed his prime, unfortunately, and he's got a
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: lot of wear on the tires, and it was kind
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 3: of rough watching him get beat up like that. But
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: that's the game they play.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 5: That's the sport. Yeah, and what's great about UFC that
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 5: I never thought would last in the beginning, the great
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 5: thing is anything can happen. Anything can happen.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: Frank Fertitta and Lorenzo Fertitta always said that every fight,
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: every UFC, we sell holy shit moments. That's what he said.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 3: Like there's moments in the fight where you're like, holy shit.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 3: You look around at each other and everybody like.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 5: Dude, nobody does it better than you when you do this.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 5: You go back and you're thinking, you go, oh!
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: And your eyes are this big. We always did that,
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: but then they started putting cameras on us. Right. And
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know why, when they started doing that.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 5: You and Cormier?
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 3: We always did that. Every time something would happen, we
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: would throw our.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 5: Because it's organic. It's like you can't help it. That's
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 5: what I'm doing at home.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 5: Holy fuck.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 3: Holy shit. Yeah. Holy shit. Holy shit.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 3: There's moments where you just like, you can't believe it's
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: really happening.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: That's the sport. The sport is, it's the craziest sport.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 3: It's the highest consequences of any sport. It's just, it's
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 3: so raw and dangerous and you can't look away. It's
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 3: so crazy. And when someone can dominate it, like John
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 3: Jones or George St. Pierre or Mighty Mouse or any
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 3: of the greats.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 5: George St. Pierre, another great one.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 3: Greats. When they can do that, it's like that's a
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 3: different kind of human being. I mean, to be the
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: best of the best people, the best people in the
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: world at fighting, and then he's the best of the
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 3: best people. And when George was in his prime, it
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: was that same sort of thing. You would see him
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 3: standing there, like this intense look in his eyes, just
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 3: couldn't wait to get his fucking hands on that guy.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: You're like, God damn. I feel very, very, very, very
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 3: fortunate that I've been able to witness personally so many
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 3: of those moments and be there to watch greatness so
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: many times.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 5: I think it's great that you've continued. It's surprising to me.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 5: I love it. I know you do. And that's why
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 5: you continue to do it.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 3: I did the first like 13 of them for free.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 3: First 13 ever? Yeah, the first thing I did. No,
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 3: it was like UFC 37.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 5: Oh, when you got into it.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 3: I started working at UFC 12. UFC 12 was the
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: first event that I did in 1997. I was the
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: post-fight interview guy. And so I did that for a
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: couple of years, but it was banned from cable. It
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 3: was basically like- That's.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 5: Why I said it was going, it kind of went
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 5: like this, and then it was going down.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: Boxing did it to them. Boxing in cahoots with Budweiser,
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 3: which is funny because now Bud White sponsors the UFC.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 3: But they all wanted the MMA thing to go away.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 3: To go away. Because it was so exciting and crazy,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 3: they thought of it as a threat.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 3: And they essentially banished it. It also just had this
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 3: unsavory look to it. You're fighting in a cage. Back
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 3: in those days, it was bare knuckle.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 5: Bare knuckle.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 3: You know, and then.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 5: It was bloody.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just crazy. It was like they would
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 3: call it human cockfighting, you know, which I always found disgusting.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 3: But me as a martial artist, the question was always
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 3: what would happen if you got a judo guy and
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: he fought a wrestler? What would happen if you got
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 3: a boxer and he fought a karate guy? And the
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: UFC is like, let's find out.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: So Horry and Gracie came up with this concept.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 5: That's what I was going to say.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 3: Gracie was one of the first judo versus jiu-jitsu, right? Well, Hoist.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 3: Hoist was the first champion of the UFC. And he
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 3: was the first guy to introduce that technique is more
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 3: important than everything. Technique is more important than being big,
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 3: more important than being strong. Because Hoist was like, 175 pounds.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 3: He was very slight and long and just a jiu-jitsu wizard.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 3: And he would get guys on the ground and strangle
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 3: the fuck out of them. And we were like, what happened?
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 5: This is crazy. You see this big jack guy. Awesome.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: The big jack guy's tapping. You're like, what? What happened?
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 3: And Hoist just opened up the world to Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: And it made Brazilian jiu-jitsu the most popular martial art
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 3: on earth. His appearances in the UFC changed the entire
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 3: course of martial arts. His family changed. The Gracie family,
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 3: particularly his father Elio, his brother Hickson, his brother Hoyler,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 3: and Horian, of course, because he created the UFC. They
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 3: changed martial arts forever. More development and evolution of martial
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 3: arts has taken place over the last 30 years than
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 3: over the last 30,000 years.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 3: Like really, that's accurate. Like fighting is different. People really
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 3: understand what works and what doesn't work now.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 5: And watching him was balletic. It was like a ballet.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 5: It was art. It was art.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: It's real martial arts.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 6: No.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 5: It wasn't that.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: His dad told him, don't hurt these people. Don't hurt them.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 3: You don't have to hurt them. Show them the art.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 5: Just submit them.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: Show them the art. Yeah. So, like, Hoist, when he
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 3: got on top of people, he wasn't, like, elbowing them,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 3: the eyeballs.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 3: He was just strangling folks. Just arm-barring folks. Making them tap.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: Making them quit.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 5: That's wild.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 3: And he did it to everybody. And they were all like,
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: what the fuck just happened? And then everybody had to
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: learn jiu-jitsu. It changed martial arts forever.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 5: Do your kids do jiu-jitsu?
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my kids have done it, yeah.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 5: Have done it.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't do it anymore. They do other stuff.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 3: I don't push them. No. If they wanted to do
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: it tomorrow, they said, I'm thinking about doing some kickboxing.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 5: Let's do it.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: Where do you want to go?
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 3: But I don't believe in... Everybody's different. I don't want
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 3: them to... Follow my footsteps or anything stupid like that.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 3: I want you to be your own human being. What
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: are you interested in? They're both interested in different things.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: My youngest is an artist. My other one is a
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 3: phenomenal athlete. It's like I think that you should do
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: what you want to do. And if you want to
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: do that, I'll bring you. I'll show you. I'll teach you.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: I'll help you. But if you don't want to do that,
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 3: I don't want to push you.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 5: Let me be a good parent and celebrate what my
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 5: kid is, not what I want.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 3: There's so many different kinds of things you could be
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 3: interested in life. And everyone has a different psychology. So
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: everyone has different things they gravitate towards. It's just like,
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: what is the thing? Is it music? Is it art?
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 3: Is it your writing? What do you like to do?
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: Find that thing. Chase it down.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 5: How many kids do you have? I have three. I
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 5: have a grown.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 2: She's 28.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: And I have a 16 and a 14.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 3: I feel like you've got to do what compels you,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: what drives you. And part of it as a parent
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 3: is like, there's so many stories of parents, particularly with
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: like talented athletes, that were too hard on the kid
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 3: and put too much discipline on the kid and the
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: kids burned out I've seen so many cases of that
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: you know with these sideline.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 5: Parents that Asian mentality not here but.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 3: There kill the joy you know what Royce Gracie's dad
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 3: used to do if he lost a competition he would
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 3: buy him a present.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 5: Because what was the psychology.
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 3: Because they're always going to want to win Meaning the effort?
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 5: He bought the effort? He bought the present for the effort? No, no.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 3: It's like it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Like here,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: you have a toy. Here's a gift. Here's a thing.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 3: Like this is just growth. This is just development. Hoyce's dad, Elio,
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 3: felt like you live the same life over and over
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: and over again until you get it right. He subscribed
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: to that like ancient Eastern philosophy of reincarnation. He really
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 3: believed you will live the same life over and over
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 3: until you get it right. And so his philosophy on.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 5: Just do 1% better a day. Just do 1%. It's
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 5: not about going from here to here. It's not living
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 5: at 100% all the time.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: It's the process.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 5: It's the process.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 3: It's the process. The constant process of growth.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 3: And through that constant process... I mean, what they did
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 3: was even more crazy because... Ilio, along with Carlos Gracie,
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 3: they revolutionized a martial art. Jujitsu is brought over by
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: these judokas from Japan, Maeda and Kimura, who came over
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: to America, or came over to Brazil, rather, and trained
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 3: with the Gracies. And then they took those techniques and
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 3: made them applicable to smaller people. Made them applicable to...
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 3: Because Ilio was only 145 pounds. But even to have
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 3: these no-rules fights in Brazil... These fucking huge fights that
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: would go for like an hour and a half.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And he would just beat these guys with technique.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 3: So they developed leverage. They figured out a way to
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 3: highlight the submissions and make things super technical. And they
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 3: would analyze moves and break them down. And it became
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 3: the philosophy of the entire family. That one family created
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 3: more fucking assassins than any other family in the history.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 5: Of martial arts. And yet they're the nicest people. The
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 5: nicest people. Yeah.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a horse in here a couple months ago.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: He was awesome.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 5: He's so fun. Do you know Ceci? No. She's with
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 5: Laird a lot. She's with Laird's place a lot.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, they have a clan, bro.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 5: It's a clan, but it's a close clan.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 5: And it's a friendly, familial clan.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're very nice people. But that's the thing about jiu-jitsu.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 3: It's like you get out all your aggression in the gym.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 3: And it kills your ego.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 5: And you can go be kind.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 3: You can just be a nice person.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 5: Be a nice person.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: Jiu-jitsu people are some of the nicest people I've ever met.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 5: Me too.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 3: They're super friendly and warm and normal people. They just
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 3: are obsessed with this one thing. And through that thing,
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: it's like a vehicle for developing your human potential because
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: it's so difficult. And when you do a difficult thing,
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: it makes the rest of life a lot easier because
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 3: there's no way whatever you're experiencing during the day– is
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: going to be as difficult as someone on your back
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 3: trying to strangle the blood out of your brain. Like
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 3: literally trying to fucking choke the blood out of your head.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: Like there's no way. There's no way life could be.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 5: Harder than that.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: But that's the thing is the wildness.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 5: You have to have something.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: To be a champion.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 5: To be a champion or to be a good person,
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 5: I think. You have wildness, which we've talked about throughout
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 5: this whole thing.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 3: If you don't have wildness, you're going to be boring.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 5: Which if you bring it back, honestly, because I have
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 5: to bring it back to the book, that's what the
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 5: book is about. Yeah. Wildness unmitigated.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: Right. But you eventually figured out a way to get
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: a grip on it.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 5: That eventually turns out on you. Yeah. But most people,
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 5: it turns around and it bites you in the ass.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: Most people.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 5: And it's a sad ending.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 3: But I think those sad endings are a valuable lesson
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 3: for the other people.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 5: Power of example.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 3: You learn from a lot of, one of the reasons
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 3: why I never did coke is when I was in
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 3: high school. My friend's cousin became a coke head. He
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 3: was a coke dealer and became a coke head. And
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 3: him and his girlfriend would just do coke and hide.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: They had an attic apartment. They were in this fucking
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: apartment and were just doing coke and selling coke and
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 3: watching TV. And he withered away. He lost all this weight.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 3: It looked like he got bit by a vampire.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: And I remember thinking, Jesus Christ, stay the fuck away
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: from Coke.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 5: It was terrifying. Why would you want to do that?
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 5: What would be attractive about that? Nothing.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 3: I guess it's the– I mean, you've done it. I
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: haven't done it. I guess it's the euphoria when you
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 3: get that hit, that feeling, that feeling of elevation, that
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: feeling of like you just know fear and you feel excited.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: You want to start a business with people.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 3: You got plans. We're going to fucking take over.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 5: I just love in the description of it, the eyes
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 5: kind of get like this and the craziness. And you go, yeah,
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 5: it's bad for everybody else. It may be good for
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 5: you for like 15 minutes, but everybody else is fucking
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 5: miserable around you.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: The worst thing to me was when I would be high,
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 3: like smoking weed, and I'd be like just chilled and silly,
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: and I'd run into a coke head. And you're like, oh, no.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 5: He's trying to talk to you like this.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 3: And you just get battered with, like, talk.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: You're like, I got to get out of here.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 5: It's disgusting to me.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 3: It's a weird drug. It's a weird drug, but it's
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 3: obviously very popular.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: And it causes a lot of problems.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no thanks anymore. Yeah. No thanks.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 3: I'm good. Not interested in that one.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 5: You smoke your butt. I'll smoke my cigar.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like cigars, too. Cigars are conversational.
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 5: They are.
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 3: They're tools for conversation.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 3: They relax you, light your brain up a little bit.
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: Get you a little, a little fired up.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 5: Read this book when you can.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 3: I will.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 5: Seriously. I think you'll like it.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 3: I know I'll like it. I like talking to you.
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 5: It's, uh, yeah. You'll laugh. You'll laugh. Not everybody will
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 5: laugh when they read the book. You will laugh. Cause
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 5: I think you understand absurdity.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: How long did it take you to put it together?
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 5: Three years. It's nonlinear. It goes all over the place
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 5: in all these years.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 3: Did you have, when you sat down, did you have
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 3: like a framework in mind of how you wanted to
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 3: pursue it?
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 5: No, no, no. Cause I've written probably 90 journals in
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 5: my life, 90 full journals. And I would go back
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 5: and I kind of started to put some of those
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 5: together and I'd go, Oh, that happened in 88 or
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 5: that happened in 76. And that, you know, that kind
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 5: of stands out as being a milestone moment or whatever.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 5: And I'd start to write those down. They were really
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 5: poorly written. And then that started to instigate one thing
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 5: and another thing. And it kind of wrote itself. I
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 5: think it was 450 pages when I finished. And then
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 5: I knocked it down to like 240.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 3: What is that process like, the editing process?
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 5: That's a good process. That's the hardest process I've ever
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 5: gone through. But you become a better writer.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: Do you do it with an editor or do you
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 3: do it by yourself?
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 5: No, I did it with an editor because I didn't
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 5: sell the book right away. First of all, most memoirs
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 5: are not written by the people who they're about, which
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 5: makes no sense to me.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 5: Because you're writing about yourself, but you're hiring somebody else
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 5: to do it, but you're taking the money. I don't
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 5: get it. So I wrote it. I wrote the entire book.
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 5: Then I sold it. So I didn't sell it based
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 5: on a celebrity. I sold it based on the book
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 5: because you could read the book. And some people hated it.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 5: Some people read it and they go, I don't get it.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 5: It's too wild. It's too whatever.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 3: Well, everything is not for everybody.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 5: Exactly. And that's okay.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's more than okay.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 5: What's wild is when I was in the middle, which
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 5: I think you would like, when I was in the
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 5: middle of doing the audible for the book, about halfway
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 5: through stumbling through the audible, I go, what the fuck
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 5: did I do? I should burn any evidence that this
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 5: fucking was ever even thought about. And then I spiraled
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 5: for about a month. And I don't spiral. I just
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 5: don't spiral about anything. I'm pretty cool with anything that
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 5: comes along. And then people started reading the book. And
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 5: then I got this varied response that was always visceral.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 5: It was never like, I really liked your book a lot.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 5: I thought it was well-written and all that. Somebody would go, fuck.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 5: And that's nice.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: That means you nailed it. I don't know. Yeah.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 5: I don't know. But I do know that the responses
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 5: are good.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what's important.
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 3: It's working. It had a desired effect. You got out
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: your thoughts. You got out your experiences.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 5: But that editing process is a good process because you
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 5: refine and you clarify and you simplify.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 5: That's cool.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: You get to look at it with fresh eyes.
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 5: With fresh eyes. Yeah. You know, it's the arm bar.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 5: You could just grab an arm and then try to
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 5: bend it as much as you can. Or you can
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 5: fucking figure out how to get in there every time.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 3: Did you.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 5: And tap the guy out.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 3: Did you always know that you were going to do this?
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 3: You're going to write this book?
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 5: No, I'd written two or three books and put them
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 5: in the corner in a dark corner and let them
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 5: accumulate dust. You know, I've never I never thought I
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 5: would do it publicly. Because I was always into that
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 5: thing of like, oh, you're an actor and like, get
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 5: over it. You want to be a writer. You want
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 5: to be a writer, you want to be a musician.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 5: Every actor wants to be a musician.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: Every actor wants to be a rock star.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 3: And I was like, nah.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 5: And then this lady read this book, this lit agent,
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 5: and she said, I said it the third time, and
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 5: she said, you need to fucking stop saying, referencing yourself
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 5: as an actor who's a writer. You're a fucking writer
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 5: and a really good writer. Just write. And she was
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 5: tough on me.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: So you feel like you had like, Almost like a disclaimer,
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 3: like I'm an actor.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I did.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 3: That's what you're doing, giving yourself like an escape.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 5: I did because there was something about that profession anyway
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 5: that I always looked at and I always thought, why
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 5: do I do this? This is dumb.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 5: And where's the self-importance come from? Like what happened to
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 5: the wagon that just went down and people tried to
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 5: shoot you?
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 3: Doesn't the self-importance just come from attention? You get extraordinary
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: amounts of attention and people develop self-importance because of that
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 3: because they think they deserve that attention.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 5: Because it's a false thing.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 5: And then you start seeing people manifest it like, excuse me,
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 5: I said hot coffee. I didn't say warm coffee. I said,
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 5: you know, and you go, I don't understand the mentality.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 5: So for me, it's probably another attempt, which I think
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 5: I've manifested in a bunch of different ways of right sizing.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 5: and there's nothing like that will right size you like
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 5: a fucking book put you right back into why are
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 5: you doing what you were doing where do you come
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 5: from how do you feel about your kids where's your
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 5: sensitivity hmm Where are things that have become concrete that
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 5: you need to break in order to feel again? Where
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 5: are you limiting yourself? And I don't like the idea
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 5: of limiting myself. Did I love drinking? Fuck yeah. I
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 5: had so much fun, dude. And so did a lot
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 5: of other people. But I go, this is now limiting. Well,
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 5: don't you want to go out and take a drink?
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 5: I go, fuck no. When you're out with a bunch
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 5: of people having fun? No, because I'm having fun.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 3: You don't need to drink to have fun. But there's
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 3: a thing when you're drinking a lot and having fun,
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 3: you think this is the reason why I'm having fun.
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 3: This is the reason why I'm having fun.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 3: It's a trap.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 5: That's the trap. Yeah. That's the trap.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, you can have a drink or two
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 3: and really enjoy yourself. Or you could think that the
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 3: only reason why you're enjoying yourself is because you're having
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 3: a drink or two.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 5: And that's usually why you have more drinks. Because you
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 5: think this is the reason. People are liking me right now.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 5: This is the reason people think I'm funny.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: And you keep chasing that dragon.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 5: Imagine if you went on stage, and every time you
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 5: went on stage, you had to have at least six drinks.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 5: Because you go, this is what they want. And then
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 5: you wake up in the morning, and your kid goes
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 5: and wakes you up, and you're like.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: Ah, fuck.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 5: And you go, that's not worth it.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 3: What's the fucking dude's name from Knight Rider? You know
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 3: who I'm talking about.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 5: Oh, David Hasselhoff?
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 3: You ever see that video?
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 5: Of course I did.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: The kids.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 5: The burger video.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 3: It's the saddest fucking thing ever.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah. It didn't look like a good burger.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 3: Well, he's just hammered and his kid filmed it.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 5: It's awful, man. Oh, it's so awful.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 3: It's so cringy. Yeah. That's what everybody's afraid of.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 3: Becoming that pathetic example.
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 5: To your children. And you wonder how much that exists
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 5: and the video's not going. That daughter videoed that.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 5: Like, I want you to see what this looks like.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 5: And supposedly that kind of threw him into sobriety or whatever.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know if he's sober or not. Did he?
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: I will hope he is. If anything would throw you
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 3: into sobriety, your children filming you at the lowest moment
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 3: possible would do it for you.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I didn't want to be filmed, so I stopped early.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 3: You got off at the right time. I did get filmed.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 5: The last time. Yeah? Yeah, it was super lame. I
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 5: was at a, what do you call it, a Del
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 5: Taco restaurant. And I tapped the cab in front of
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 5: me accidentally when I was moving forward. And he got
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 5: out and created a thing. And somebody filmed it from
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 5: the back of the cab. Oh, wow.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 5: And I looked stupid. You can't fucking drive. You don't
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 5: fucking drive.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 3: You're like, oh, dear.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 7: Shh.
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 5: Quiet.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 3: Don't speak.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 6: Oh, no.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 5: Don't speak.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 3: There's nothing worse than being sober and seeing something when
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 3: you're drunk.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, there's nothing.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 3: You're like, oh, no, I'm so gross.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 5: Because your perception of it, why you were like, no, man,
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 5: this is an honorable moment. You're saying I did something
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 5: that I didn't do.
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 5: And we need to hash this out when the reality
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 5: is you're just kind of regurgitating bullshit. Yeah.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 3: No. Also, you know how to affect people with your words.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 3: You know how to express yourself in a dramatic way,
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: and you think you're going to fucking get through this
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 3: on top.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 5: I'm an actor, motherfucker.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, motherfucker.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 5: Watch this. I'm going Shakespeare on you.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 3: You know what my favorite movie of yours is?
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: What?
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 3: No Country for Old Men.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 3: Because it's so fucked up. Because it's so fucked up?
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 3: It's such a fucked up movie. Even the end, when
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 3: it ends, you're like, what happened? That's the end?
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 3: It's like that guy, what's his name, Javier?
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 5: Bardem.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 3: God damn, that guy was a good psycho.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 5: He was so good.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 3: God damn. That movie was so, it was just so
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 3: unusual and intense.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 5: And there was no feeling, and people ask this all
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 5: the time, there was no feeling that it was a
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 5: special movie.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I told you I went back to Marfa, Texas
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 5: for the first time in 18 years with Stapleton. And
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 5: the guy running the bank is the first guy that
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 5: Javier kills in the movie. This is the guy running
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 5: the bank right now, Chip. And I talked to Chip,
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 5: I have a picture of me and Chip, and I
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 5: talked to Chip and I said, I said, fuck, you
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 5: were the first guy, you know, did you think that?
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 5: And he said, no, that was a friend of a
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 5: friend who said that they were auditioning people and the
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 5: reason I did it is because I figured nobody would
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 5: ever see it. It seemed like a small... No, that's
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 5: the proprietor. It's the first guy that Javier killed outside.
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 5: That was a good scene, though.
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 3: What is that dude like in person, Javier?
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 5: The best. The sweetest human being. One of my best friends. Crazy. Yeah.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 3: That's inside of him. That he can.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing. That's what makes him an artist. Yes. Yes.
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 5: Because he's one of these guys that literally, he was
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 5: so depressed during that thing.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 5: Oh my God, dude.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 3: Because he didn't like doing it?
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 5: No, he was like, look at my hair. What the fuck?
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? That's depressed him.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 5: Look at him.
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 5: He played such a good psychopath. I mean, he's genius.
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 5: He wore SPF 100. He had an umbrella all the
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 5: time to keep the sun off him. You see how
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 5: pale he looks? But yeah, that's the guy. The guy
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 5: to the left, that's Chip. Can you stand there for
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 5: a second, please?
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 3: So he was really depressed because of his hair?
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and me and Woody would take him out. We
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 5: would take him out to the Cowgirl, what was it called?
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 5: Cowgirl Cafe. And we would, have drinks with him. We
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 5: would make him, because he would stay in his apartment
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 5: with the drapes drawn and all this kind of shit.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 5: He just didn't want to go out. He said, I
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 5: don't like violence. I don't drive. I don't know why
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 5: they hired me. Why the fuck did they hire me?
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 3: Why am I here? How did he pull that out?
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 5: And I'm from Spain. This guy's not from Spain. I
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 5: remember when we worked, we sat in a trailer and
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 5: he said, in that proprietor scene, he has this great line.
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 5: He goes, call it. takes the coin and goes like
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 5: that and he says call it and the guy says
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 5: I don't want to call it and he says you
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 5: have to call it it's destiny calling for you and
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 5: we were in his trailer and Javier says how do
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 5: you say it and I said call it and Javier
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 5: kept saying call it and I said no dude call.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 7: It can you hear it what's the most you ever
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 7: lost in a coin toss sir the most you ever
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 7: lost in a coin toss I don't know I couldn't say.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 6: Call it.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 5: Call it, yes.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 6: For what? Just call it.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 7: Well, we need to know what we're calling it for here.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 6: You need to call it. I can't call it for you.
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 5: It wouldn't be fair. I didn't put nothing up. Yes,
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 5: you did.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 6: You've been putting it up your whole life. You just
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 6: didn't know it. You know what date is on this coin?
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 5: No.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 6: 1958. It's been traveling 22 years to get here. And
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 6: now it's here. And it's either heads or tails. And
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 6: you have to say, call it.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 5: Look, I need to know what I stand to win. Everything.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 5: How's that? You stand to win everything. Call it. All right. Heads, then.
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 5: Well done.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 4: Don't put it in your pocket, sir. Don't put it
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 4: in your pocket. It's your lucky quarter. Where do you
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 4: want me to put it? Anywhere, not in your pocket. What,
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 4: it'll get mixed in with the others and become ingested kind?
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 5: Which it is.
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 6: Ha ha ha ha ha.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you look at that from a different perspective,
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 5: you say that scene could have been the worst scene ever.
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 5: It's because of the simplicity of the scene.
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 3: What's the consequences?
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 5: It's the pause. Bloom in the air. It just hangs.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 3: And you know that this guy has some sort of
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: weird morals.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 5: It's so good, man.
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got some code that he lives by. And
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 3: he's about to impose this code on this guy. And
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 3: it's no problem putting that bolt through his brain.
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 5: No problem. And the guy knows it. And he doesn't
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 5: even know.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 3: Why he knows it.
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 5: It's just something. He just knows it.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 5: And you sit there and you just kind of.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 3: It's a great fucking scene.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 5: It's a great scene, man. Yeah.
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 3: How did you not know that movie was great while
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 3: you were doing it?
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 5: Because it was so, we were just.
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 3: The Coen brothers are fucking amazing.
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 5: They're amazing. But you were just having, they had done
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 5: two movies that were sort of bigger than what they
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 5: normally do. One was with Clooney and one was with
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 5: Tom Hanks and it didn't work. Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? No,
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 5: that fucking Oh Brother, Where Art Thou was amazing.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It was amazing.
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 5: What was the other one?
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 3: It was Lady Killers and what.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 5: Was the one with Clooney? I've never heard of that. Well,
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 5: there you go. Yeah. But, yeah, so I think that
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 5: they just went back to this simple, like, Burn After
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 5: Reading was after No Country, which was also really good.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 5: Super good. But, yeah, they just kind of went back
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 5: to this very kind of feral... you know, base place
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 5: and just said, let's just tell this simple story and
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 5: let's let it happen. Let's maybe, I don't know. I
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 5: don't think they're like this.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 3: How did you not know why you were doing it though?
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 3: It just didn't have that vibe. It didn't have that vibe.
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 5: It was so, simple.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 3: Wild.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 5: It was so simple and into the wild.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 3: But then when you saw it though.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 5: Into the wild. Dude, when I saw it, I saw
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 5: it with my kid, which was probably super irresponsible.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 3: How old was your kid at the time?
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 5: He was 16. He was like, eh, that's on the cusp.
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 5: But I saw it with him in an editing room
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 5: on a big screen And we left and we got
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 5: in the car and we didn't talk for 15 minutes.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 5: And that's never happened.
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 5: Like literally not one word. Wow. And then I said,
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 5: what do you think? And he goes, fuck.
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 3: Which is a great response. That's that movie.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 5: That's that movie.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 3: That is that movie. That movie is fun.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 5: You know, you want to tie it together too in
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 5: the end and like a typical Hollywood ending and Javier
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 5: and my character go head to head at the end and.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 5: And that doesn't happen, which is how it was written
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 5: in the book, Cormac. And I got to know Cormac
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 5: really well. I was with Cormac the night before he died.
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, no kidding.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 3: That guy could fucking write.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 5: Fuck, dude. Some of the greatest writing, American writing ever
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 5: in the history of this country.
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 3: There was something about his writing. It was like, Jesus Christ.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 5: That's another one of those guys, artists, where you go.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 5: I would ask him about his writing. I didn't want
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 5: to talk about it ever. And then finally he got
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 5: mad at me one day and he was like, I
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 5: don't fucking know, man. I just sit down at the
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 5: typewriter and it comes. Like, what do you want me
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 5: to tell you?
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 5: I was like, all right, man. Fucking 87 years old. Relax.
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 5: But he could write. I mean, he had some, he
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 5: was tapped into, and talk about a guy who just like,
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 5: you were like the muse and do you have a
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 5: special place and do you have this thing that, no.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 3: Just sits down and writes.
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 5: The bed that he was on, it was me, his ex-wife,
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 5: his son. And Cormac, that last night.
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 5: Always at the edge of his bed was that typewriter
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 5: that he used for 25, 30 years to write all
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 5: those novels. And then he had one before that that
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 5: was exactly the same. But that typewriter was on an
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 5: old piece of wood at the foot of his bed.
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 5: And even at the end, he would just grab that
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 5: thing and get it out. It was cool.
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's rare humans like that that have that thing.
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 5: They just tap into it.
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 3: And they tap into it and they just keep going.
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 3: They get on that path and they just keep going.
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 3: It just keeps getting better. They just get better at it.
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 5: We've talked about a series of very special people. What's
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 5: the difference of what makes somebody that special, that iconic?
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 5: Are they crazy?
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 3: They're definitely different. They're different. Yeah, I mean, it's a
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 3: resistance to the norm. It's acceptance of reality. It's a
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 3: poetic understanding of our place in the universe. There's so
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 3: many different things that are all sort of coalescing into
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 3: this expression.
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 5: But they see through a different lens, though. They're just
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 5: made up of a different cellular makeup.
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 3: That's probably why he didn't want to talk about it.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 3: He didn't want to fuck it up.
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 5: He didn't want to fuck it up. He didn't want
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 5: to mitigate it. He didn't want to lessen it.
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 3: He didn't want to.
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 5: What's the word? Make it, make it pedestrian.
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean? Yes.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 3: He didn't want to try. You know, sometimes magic is
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 3: just magic. You don't want to like figure out what's,
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 3: how it's happening.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 3: Just know that you can do it and just keep
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 3: doing it.
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 3: You know, just be, be a craftsman, be a person
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 3: who's like dedicated to this thing.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 3: He had to know it was really good. I mean,
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 3: enough people told him it was really good.
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but if you have even a guy like that
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 5: who wrote the first up until All the Pretty Horses,
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 5: none of his books sold.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 3: That's pretty crazy.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 5: Like 1,000 people bought it. 1,500 people bought it. And
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 5: then it was made into a movie. And then you
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 5: go back and you're like, all these banned books that
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 5: we know back in the day, 1984, George Orwell, Henry Miller,
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 5: all these fucking people. People are like, ew. And then
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 5: Van Gogh painting a painting and all those paintings being
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 5: outside getting rained on. And now they're selling for $ 100 million.
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all after he's dead.
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 5: All after he's dead.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 5: He never knew. He sold one painting in his lifetime.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 5: So he never got to, not even a little bit,
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 5: experience what, look at what you did. Right.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 3: Wow, man. Well, maybe that's why they're so good.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 5: Because they have to do it anyway.
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 3: Because it's like a purity of expression. Yeah, he's just
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 3: doing it.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 5: Whether people paid attention or not is who they were.
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 5: And they gave themselves to it a thousand percent.
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 3: He's an artist.
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 5: An artist.
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 3: A real artist.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, dude.
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 3: Thank you. It was a lot of fun. I really
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 3: appreciate it.
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 5: I really appreciate it.
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 3: I'm going to read your book immediately.
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 5: I would like you to.
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 3: I will definitely.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 5: You're one guy I would really like for you to read.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 3: I'll get on it.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Bye, everybody.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 6: Bye.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 2: Bye.