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Ohio State Recruiting: Can The Buckeyes Pull Off A 5-Star Flip? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow morning for Tuesday, October. First, I'm
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Noonobuckeheadle dot Com did an extended show on Monday
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  Speaker 1: this week just looking basically at flips. That was kind
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  Speaker 1: of this central topic of the show. Who could Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State potentially flip from other schools during the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: five rescruiting cycle and who in the Buckeyes current twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five class might potentially be on flip watch to
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  Speaker 1: leave the class and go somewhere else. That is obviously
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  Speaker 2: Good afternoon, everyone, Welcome to the Monday live edition of
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  Speaker 2: the Skull Session Recruiting podcast. I'm Mark GIVLERC got Kevin
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  Speaker 2: Noon with me here today. Fair warning if anyone's ever
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  Speaker 2: seen the movie Outbreak, but my three year old is
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  Speaker 2: the Outbreak Monkey. So I'm struggling this weekend. It started
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  Speaker 2: hitting me like Friday night and it just won't go away.
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  Speaker 2: I've got this like congestion and I'm losing my voice.
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  Speaker 2: My throat's sore. So I'm gonna try and get through
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  Speaker 2: this and try not to cough into the mic too much.
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  Speaker 2: But Kevin, let's get going. First of all, how is
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  Speaker 2: East Lansing over the weekend?
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  Speaker 3: East Lansing was was fine. I guess, you know, as
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  Speaker 3: we sit there and you know, kind of tell behind
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  Speaker 3: the scenes. One of the weirder instances at the hotel.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, they were they're like, oh, well, we
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  Speaker 3: already ran the car. This was prepay. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 3: guarantee you I've never I've never done a pre prepay
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  Speaker 3: hotel room ever before in my life. They're like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: well we just did it anyway, So that was odd.
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  Speaker 3: And then we also stayed on a triple A rate
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  Speaker 3: and They're like, do you have your card? So I
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  Speaker 3: my phone and I showed on the app and I
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  Speaker 3: showed the card. They're like, no, do you have your
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  Speaker 3: physical card. I'm like no. They're like, well, any any
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  Speaker 3: Marriott property could sit there and ask to see your
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  Speaker 3: physical card. I'm like, well, I don't have one. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm sitting there and it's bubbling up, and it's bubbling up.
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  Speaker 3: And those who know me know I can have a
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  Speaker 3: bit of a quick temper when something stupid happens. So
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  Speaker 3: they're like, well, we'll cut you a break this time.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I have seven hundred nights at Marriott's probably,
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  Speaker 3: and this is the first time I've ever ever had
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  Speaker 3: to do this before. So yeah, But otherwise, it was
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  Speaker 3: a great trip. It was a great trip. We got to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, hang out with some friends of mine before
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  Speaker 3: the game, I you know, do some things there. We
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  Speaker 3: you know, I thought we had a really good postgame show.
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  Speaker 3: We had really great numbers on our postgame show, brought
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  Speaker 3: to you by Tailgate USA. And while Ohio State didn't
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  Speaker 3: necessarily just absolutely whack Michigan State the way that Ohios
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  Speaker 3: that has whacked its three non conference opponents, I think
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  Speaker 3: all told, I mean, it was a pretty dominating performance.
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  Speaker 3: But there's some concerns. I think that, you know, Michigan
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  Speaker 3: State had a good game plan for Ohio State, and
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  Speaker 3: if Michigan State weren't Michigan State's own worst enemy, I
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  Speaker 3: think we're talking about a much closer game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I liked the Jonathan Smith higher when they made it.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's going to have them pretty competitive here soon.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, hard to complain about a thirty
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  Speaker 2: point road conference win. So yeah, it was We'll look
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  Speaker 2: forward to some of the content I guess coming out.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys did a hungry huddle
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  Speaker 2: or if there's some stuff deserve behind the scenes type.
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  Speaker 3: I think I don't. I don't know. Oh oh, And
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  Speaker 3: to add to it, I had awful, awful equipment issues
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  Speaker 3: that I'm trying to remedy before I know, I'll be
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  Speaker 3: fine for Iowa. But you know, I need to have
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  Speaker 3: I need to have these things sorted out before Oregon
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  Speaker 3: because at that point I'm really far away from the
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  Speaker 3: supply lines.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, So yeah, it was a it was another
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  Speaker 2: solid performance there for the Buck guys on on Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: So recruiting obviously with being a road game there, there
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  Speaker 2: weren't any visitors this weekend or anything like that. So
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna talk kind of flip watch a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a full length kind of I got a
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  Speaker 2: full article on the website in Bucket huddle dot com.
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  Speaker 2: I did my flip watch today and so that's on
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  Speaker 2: the message board. If you want to go to Buckeye
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  Speaker 2: Huddle dot com and and check that out and read that,
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  Speaker 2: and you know you can ask me questions in that
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  Speaker 2: threat as well. But uh yeah, I want to start
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  Speaker 2: this off with like kind of a little game here.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Hio State's trying to flip a lot of
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  Speaker 2: different guys right now, Kevin, if you're if you were Ohio,
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  Speaker 2: you know, put yourself in Ryan Day's shoes for a minute,
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  Speaker 2: what which guy would you most want to flip? Of
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  Speaker 2: like the you can't so you can't go on and
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  Speaker 2: say like David Sanders, because there's no reason to think
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  Speaker 2: that David Sanders is trying to flip anywhere. But like
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  Speaker 2: of the guys that are like actively trying to flip
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  Speaker 2: that are like out you know, kind of known out there.
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  Speaker 2: Who would you who would if you can only have one.
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  Speaker 3: Who would you flip Mike at Debo's. I would Mike
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  Speaker 3: at a Bo's. I think offensive line, obviously every year
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  Speaker 3: is a position of need. Ohio State's gone out and
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  Speaker 3: landed some pretty good offensive lineman, but you know, Mike
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  Speaker 3: at Debo's would really be next level for them. And
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  Speaker 3: I think Ohio States still, I mean, obviously, is going
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  Speaker 3: to try and and and and work on that one.
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  Speaker 3: I think you can look at a lot of other
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  Speaker 3: positions and say, Okay, have they hit their number on
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  Speaker 3: D line, yes, Have they hit their number in the
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  Speaker 3: defensive backfield, yes. But that's not to say that I
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't take a Dorian Brewer, Trey McNutt, or somebody like
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  Speaker 3: that if if given the opportunity, uh, you know, they've
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  Speaker 3: hit their They've hit their number in a lot of positions.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to go to position of need and
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  Speaker 3: that that is offensive line. And I just and since
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  Speaker 3: you told me I couldn't take David Sanders, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to take Mike a Debo's.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's probably the best answer. They're just
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  Speaker 2: they're doing such a good job in the secondary right now.
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  Speaker 2: I mean as much as I think they would love
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  Speaker 2: to flip you know, a Dorian Brew or a Trey McNutt.
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  Speaker 2: I think in terms of roster needs and class needs
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  Speaker 2: and everything to Bo's is probably the guy that fits.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously a new new ish flip target has emerged along
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  Speaker 2: the offensive line, Damola Aggie Dahoune from Duluth, Georgia to
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  Speaker 2: George Tech. He has set an official visit for the
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  Speaker 2: Nebraska game. So that's the end of October. Good sign
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  Speaker 2: from where I sit, because this is not something that
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  Speaker 2: you know, has been ongoing for a year or anything
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  Speaker 2: like that. It's been a pretty quick courtship type of thing.
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  Speaker 2: And he already set up the visit, So you know
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  Speaker 2: that for me that that's a pretty good sign that
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  Speaker 2: this is serious.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you want to go away from home, then
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  Speaker 3: it's Ohio State. Do you want to stay close to home,
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  Speaker 3: then you stick with Georgia Tech. I mean, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it seems like it's largely binary in terms of what
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  Speaker 3: this is. I'm not saying that Ohio State is the
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  Speaker 3: only school that is pursuing him from maybe outside of
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  Speaker 3: the state of Georgia, but the fact that of an
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  Speaker 3: official visit came together, so quickly. I think all of
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  Speaker 3: that shows that they're I mean, obviously the interest is real.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, if I were a kid, I would
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  Speaker 3: take as many official visits as I could without losing
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  Speaker 3: my spot of where I was at if that were
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  Speaker 3: the case. But uh, you know, I think that Ohio State, certainly,
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  Speaker 3: you know, has the chance to present its case. And
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  Speaker 3: you know, the one thing that Ohio State won't be
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  Speaker 3: able to do is show that it is closer to Duluth,
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  Speaker 3: Georgia than Georgia Tech is. But uh, you know, outside
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  Speaker 3: of that, I think Ohio State can show, can show
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  Speaker 3: a need. I think Ohio State can show that, Look,
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  Speaker 3: we've got, you know, we've got an offensive line that
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  Speaker 3: even once Josh Simmons potentially is gone and once some
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  Speaker 3: of the you know, Donovan Jackson and and and Seth
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  Speaker 3: McLaughlin are all gone, we're going to have We're going
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  Speaker 3: to have position needs, We're going to have spots. And
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  Speaker 3: while maybe you won't get in and do that as
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  Speaker 3: a true freshman is as difficult as that may be,
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  Speaker 3: You're not going to get jammed up on a on
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  Speaker 3: a depth chart because you know, the creamill rise to
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  Speaker 3: the top.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this would make a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 2: I think for both parties, we'll see if it happens,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it's a situation of at this point,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they would turn to bows away or
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  Speaker 2: Demolo away. I think I think this is kind of
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  Speaker 2: a we'll recruit both of them, and well, if we
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  Speaker 2: can get both, we can get both, that's that's great.
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  Speaker 2: If not, you know, from you just get one that's
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  Speaker 2: big too. So I think that's kind of a situation
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  Speaker 2: right now. I don't think it's either.
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  Speaker 3: Or or with one o five. And you've said, you've
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  Speaker 3: said time and time again, and you can read all
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  Speaker 3: of this on Bucket Huddle, on the Huddle message board.
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  Speaker 3: Just because one o five is going to be the
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  Speaker 3: number doesn't mean that everybody's going to get up to
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  Speaker 3: one oh five. I mean, you're going to have some
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  Speaker 3: teams that are going to play in the nineties, which
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  Speaker 3: is probably where Ohio State. Maybe you're going to have
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  Speaker 3: some teams that are hell, they're having a hard time
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  Speaker 3: to hitting eighty five. But uh, you don't. You're not
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  Speaker 3: going to have to tell one or the other away.
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  Speaker 3: Because the thing too is that as guys move up
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  Speaker 3: the chart, that pushes other guys down the chart, and
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  Speaker 3: they may go and look for other spots. So I
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  Speaker 3: don't even think that. I don't even think eighty five
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  Speaker 3: is truly a huge consideration at this point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's the numbers are probably less important than
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  Speaker 2: ever right now with the transfer portal, with the rising
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  Speaker 2: maximum scholarship limits and everything else. I think I've always
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  Speaker 2: felt people agonized too much over the numbers. This is
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  Speaker 2: going back to like the end of the trustle era,
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  Speaker 2: like late trustle era, like, And that's even more true now,
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  Speaker 2: is you know, don't agonize over the numbers. It's just
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  Speaker 2: it's not really a thing to worry about. Like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I always say, like, ohigh State, It's not gonna be
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  Speaker 2: the first school ever in the history of the sport
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  Speaker 2: to find out what happens if they try and trot
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  Speaker 2: out more scholarship players and are allowed by the NCAAA.
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  Speaker 2: So everything's, uh, everything will work itself out on the numbers.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean they've got they got some online
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  Speaker 2: targets here trying to flip that's always a good thing.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked about this a lot lately, So I'm not
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  Speaker 2: gonna like beat everyone over the head with this, But
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  Speaker 2: what is going on at Auburn? Like and again, like
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  Speaker 2: how I understand the Malik Autry situation that that's just
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  Speaker 2: like a geography thing, I think. And so even if
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  Speaker 2: he flips, I would tend to believe he would flip
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  Speaker 2: somewhere closer than Ohio State. But again, if you're a
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  Speaker 2: high state, and let's say it's a one percent chance
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  Speaker 2: to flip Malligautry, there are so many things that would
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  Speaker 2: have to happen for that one percent to hit. Yet
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  Speaker 2: Auburn seems to be bound and determined to make that
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  Speaker 2: one percent, you know, a greater percentage. I mean, whatever
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  Speaker 2: needed to happen for that one percent, it seems to
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  Speaker 2: be happening. And it's kind of weird, kind of you know,
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  Speaker 2: how sideways this is going at Auburn right now?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, Hugh Freeze had his you know, successes at ole
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  Speaker 3: Miss to a certain extent. I mean, there was a
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  Speaker 3: very real ceiling as to how far he was able
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  Speaker 3: to do there. Then he kind of had his fall
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  Speaker 3: from grace those Liberty has some success there. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: everybody's like, oh, he's gonna you know, he's back and
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  Speaker 3: he's rehabilitated and everything else. You know, I think he
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  Speaker 3: just found success in in very specific sandboxes. We'll start
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  Speaker 3: with Liberty. I mean Liberty out there in the state
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  Speaker 3: of Virginia. We've actually, I've actually been out there twice,
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  Speaker 3: not to not to Liberty in general, but to see kids.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, we got to hang out on the
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  Speaker 3: Southern Swing around or one of the events around the
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  Speaker 3: Liberty campus. Very nice, but you're not you know, you're
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  Speaker 3: not necessarily going against a crucible of opponents. Go back
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  Speaker 3: to Ole Miss I mean, obviously that's an SEC school,
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  Speaker 3: and I think they had some pretty coaches prior to
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  Speaker 3: Hugh Freese and Houston Nuts, some other guys like that.
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  Speaker 3: And he found some success because eight wins was really
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  Speaker 3: exciting at that point. All right, we won eight wins,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, there was a year that they went
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  Speaker 3: to the Cotton Bowl. But he gets to Auburn and
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  Speaker 3: he has, you know, the nine hundred pound gorilla across
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  Speaker 3: the state from him in Tuscaloosa, and it's just all
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  Speaker 3: gone wrong. And I'm not here. I've always been very specific.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to s talk kids. They're just kids.
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  Speaker 3: I understand that they're getting paid now, so they're closer
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  Speaker 3: to being professionals than ever before. I don't understand why
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  Speaker 3: you hit your wagon too, peyton Thorn. Peyton Thorn couldn't
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  Speaker 3: get it done at Michigan State, so now he's going
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  Speaker 3: to go down to Auburn and play in the SEC
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  Speaker 3: and he's going to make it work. I don't see that.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that there's coaching malpractice at that point.
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  Speaker 3: And it's either coaching malpractice by putting him out there,
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  Speaker 3: it's coaching mal practice by not recruiting well enough that
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  Speaker 3: he is the best option that you have. So I
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  Speaker 3: don't think the ship is doing very well in Auburn
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  Speaker 3: right now. And Auburn will you know, certainly recruit under
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  Speaker 3: the under the guise of, hey, you know, we we
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  Speaker 3: really need a good turnaround. You know, we've got we've
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  Speaker 3: got good bones here, but we really need to turn
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  Speaker 3: this around with you know, with you. But I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how well you can how well you can pull that.
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  Speaker 3: And again as to you know, Malik Outr, Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 3: you know from Opelika, you know, like a driver three
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  Speaker 3: driver three iron away from Auburn itself. But uh, I
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  Speaker 3: don't see Hugh Freees being there long term.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So again, I'm not convinced it's gonna do much
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  Speaker 2: with Autrey. We'll see, but I do think it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: help with name offer as they try and hold on
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  Speaker 2: to him down the stretch. Now, maybe this makes Auburn
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  Speaker 2: even more desperate when we talk about nil dollars and
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  Speaker 2: things like that. But certainly, and I all is going
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  Speaker 2: to be a actor with most players at Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: recruits because you're recruiting the top players in the country.
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  Speaker 2: But I believe there's more to names recruitment than anile dollars,
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  Speaker 2: or he wouldn't have committed to Ohio State right as
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  Speaker 2: early as he did. I mean, he could have. There's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of ways he could have extracted more nhil
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  Speaker 2: dollars out of an SEC school. So I don't I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it's strictly that, but but it's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a factor, and so you you know, you have to
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  Speaker 2: monitor that, of course. But I don't think. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think he wants to go somewhere and be part of
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  Speaker 2: a rebuild for three years. I really don't. I think
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  Speaker 2: he wants to go somewhere. He wants to play early
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  Speaker 2: of course, and I think Ohio State's depth charts set
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  Speaker 2: up for that. But he wants to go somewhere I
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  Speaker 2: think where he can really compete for championships and play
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  Speaker 2: on the biggest of stages. And so you know, obviously
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  Speaker 2: he can do that Ohio State, you can do that
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  Speaker 2: at Oregon, who's also among his top three basically right now.
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  Speaker 2: But Auburn just I just don't. I don't know. That's
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  Speaker 2: the school I've been told to watch since day one,
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  Speaker 2: and I get it, I get why, but with each
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  Speaker 2: passing week, it just it feels less likely to me
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: that that's where he goes. But we'll see. I mean, look,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: you should never be surprised by anything and recruited really,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: so I reserve the right to, you know, be wrong
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: on that, but we'll see. I think Oregon's probably the
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: probably the happiest school right now because Ohio State you
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: can't get more than a commitment right now. So they've
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: got the commitments. You can't get anything more than that,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: no matter how bad Auburn looks. But if you're Oregon,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: that may help you if you know, like well, you know, look,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: are local schools kind of out of this now. We've
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: just got to kind of tackle high of state here
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: and try and get this flip. So I don't know,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. But I again, I don't think
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: certainly Auburn is not helping itself.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: No, it's a situation of are you going to play
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: for Ohio State again or against Ohio State at Oregon.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: I think it's the real competition. I've I've heard the
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: same thing as Mark has about Auburn really being the
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: one that everybody said, just you know, wait till wait,
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: till November, and when you know, they really realize, hey,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: we're letting all these guys get out of state and
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: everything else, that the ones that aren't going to Alabama
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: and they really organize their NIL movement or whatnot. But
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: just to even something that Christopher Sowers said that I
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: can that makes sense. So I'm not going to put
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: it in the question. Q offered and his dad both
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: said Tim Maulton development is a big factor for him.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously they're great coaches at Oregon too, but
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: I think that is something that had a huge impact
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: in making the decision when when when it came out,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: which you know, felt so and everything else, and having
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: to play defense on there, and you know we're here
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: what at September thirtieth when we're doing the show live,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: and you know, we'll see how well this holds up
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: in two months and sixty days, whether where where where
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: his offerd's head at at that point. But you know,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I Tim Walton's development is huge. I mean b i
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: a as a whole, both at corner and safety, playing
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: very very well. You sit there, have a situation, somebody
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: has to go out. Jermaine Matthews comes in, Uh, you know,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: fills the role nicely. I mean, they're they're they're maximizing
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: the most out of everybody. I think IGB right now,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: he's coming off a really bad game for himself. So
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be looking forward to seeing what he looks
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: like against Oregon because I was up next in Iowa.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Can't throw the.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Football, yeah, so yeah, I can't can't argue with anything there. Okay,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: we've got some questions we can get to.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let me jump here. And from Geiger Lee, I
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: worry that one of her quarterbacks may head North next year.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming he's talking up US twenty three to double a.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Ohio State has five quarterbacks right now obviously there's just
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: a there's one. This is the the last year for
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Will Howard, so that gets Ohio State down to four.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: But bringing somebody in, Yeah, we have seen the players
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: head to you know, head up or head back. I
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: mean it's not not a commonplace thing. But what happens
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: if a Devin Brown or a Lincoln Keenholes or somebody
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: like that. I wouldn't say it being like Aaron Nolan.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Ar Nolan and Jaydon Davis are the same class and
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: I just don't think that one would make a lot
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: of sense. But you know, that certainly is you know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: there certainly is an argument there. But what happens if,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: in you know, around Christmas time, that NA is finally
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: unsealed and Michigan is kind of bombed into the Stone Age?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not super worried about something like that happening,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Like if Devin Brown went to Michigan, that would I
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: just I just think that's you've stuck it out at
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Ohio State so long and then you're gonna wait until
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: you're like kind of your last year and then you're
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: gonna transfer to Michigan and not you know, just go
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: somewhere else, like go back out west. Gosh, go to
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: go to Utah or something, or probably not Utah. It's
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: probably a bad example. They've got Zach Wilson's little brother
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: there ready to go. But I don't know. I think
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: the combination of what could maybe happen with the NCAA
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: and how bad Michigan's passing offense has been this year,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I feel like there will be other opportunities out there
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: that don't carry the same like baggage for lack of
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: a better term than trying to flip the rivalry. And
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: it's kind of going to the other side of the rivalry.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: But I mean, we'll see. Again, nothing should be totally
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: shocking in the you know, with the portal and everything,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: but it's not. I'm not super That's not something that's
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: really super concerning to me at this point.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: And I'm gonna get in here. Mika our resident recruit
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: recruit Nick. She loves recruiting, maybe more than we do,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, and she's and she believes that Sean Austen
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: needs to be offered.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: He is crazy, great player, highly productive. Again, you know
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: how many backs they taken in twenty six Carlos Laughlin's
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: first full cycle. I think he's going to want to
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: be not selective might be the wrong word, but I
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: think he's going to want to be thorough in terms
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: of his evaluations and who he's going to be targeting.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: The moment you offer Austin that's you know, be ready
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: for the commitment. So I think, you know, there's some
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: national players he's probably gonna want to continue to pursue. But yeah,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: he's he's certainly a great back and he's a player
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: that you know, if Ohio State does offer eventually, it's
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: not something that I would you know, be against or
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: you know, really be super surprised by. But he's having
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: he's off to another having another great season, and yeah,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the Division three Ohio competition, so you know, like not
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the best competition in Ohio by any stretch, but all
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: you can do is kind of dominate the guys that
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: are put in front of you. And then so he's
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: doing that, so you know, we'll see, we'll see where
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: that goes. Again. I think he's on there, he's certainly
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: on their radar. I think he's very much a possibility
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: for an offer.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't disagree. I Mean, we've seen good kids
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: come out of D three. I mean, yeah, you would
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: sit there and feel better if he was going D
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: one and doing this up against Division one type of competition.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: But let's just go back to Sam Williams Dixon who
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: got to play for like a couple seconds at Pick North,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: but he came out of Holmes County, out of West Holmes,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: which I know was like Division eleven or something. I mean,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: it's it's down there and you know we're seeing getting
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: a chance to see a little bit of him. I mean,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: I think the plan beat a red shirt him if possible,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: which I think with the one two three punch that
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: you have of Judkins, Henderson and People's that you can
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: kind of get away with that. I mean, we're four
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: games through the season. I think Williams Dixson's played in one,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: maybe two. I don't know. I don't I don't have
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: the stuff in front of me. But to Mark's point,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: you offer an Ohio State, an Ohio kid, you better
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: be ready to accept his commitment. You better be ready
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: because you sit there and you're like, and you get
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: a little get a little squishy on that, and I
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: mean it can it can create problems that last more
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: than a year. I'll say that I'll say that Geiger Lee,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: do you feel the Ryan chipcombo offers a unique and
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: premiere attract and for recruits that other teams will envy
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: that they do envy or will envy.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think if you're an offensive guy, especially
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: you know, a quarterback or receiver, a running back, even
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: it's it's a great combination. These are two of the
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: very best offensive mines in college football. Chip has brought.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: We've alreadys kind of seen the Chip Kelly impact. There's
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: a great video Ross Fulton did last week pointing out
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: some plays that have Chip Kelly's influence on it that
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: if you want to watch, just it's on our YouTube
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: channel YouTube dot com slash Buckeye Huddle and look for
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: the Ross Fulton analysis against last week. It's Chip Kelly's
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: in the title, so it'll it's it's kind of right
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: there for you. It's not a hidden title or anything
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: like that. But yeah, I would check that out to
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: it's kind of if you want to see more about
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: what Chip Kelly's impact has been. But yeah, I think no,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I think I think that's right. I think that's you know,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: you've got two guys who you know, really should be
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: head coaches. Chip Kelly was a was a Power five
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: head coach and has a long track record of kind
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: of getting the best out of his quarterbacks and not
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: just getting the best off. Was like putting different types
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: of quarterbacks in the best situations. You know, if you
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: go to like Dennis Dixon and Nick Foles are not
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: similar quarterbacks, and he's had success with both. Like Marcus
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Mariota was put in certain situations. They've got Will Howard,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: They're putting him in good situations. He just kind of
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: takes whatever his quarterback has talent wise and puts him,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: puts him in the best possible situations. Very diverse run game.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's incredibly attractive if you're
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: a offensive skill guy or even alignment now because of
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: just the diversity in the run game. And I think
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: he's getting I think I think Chip's presence is indirectly
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: helping the offensive line.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I think you Chip the coach is significantly better than
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: maybe Chip the head coach right now where he is
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: in his career. But just looking at getting talent, I mean,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: he got Dante more out of Michigan, and you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: so there's obviously something still working there now. Of course
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Dante more is at Oregon backing up Dylan Gabriel, but
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: you don't need to sit there and look at ship
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: and be like, well, is he a question mark on
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: the recruiting trail?
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: No.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: I think he is so much more empowered with not
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: having to be the fundraiser guy, not having to do
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: all of the media appearances and all of that stuff,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: and he can sit there and doodle plays and work
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: on development and everything else. So I think it is
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: going to be something that benefits Ohio State. And to
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Geiger Lee's question, I think there will be a lot
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: of envy as you have some teams in the conference
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: right now that can't throw a forward pass. Let me
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: get to the next one right here, Yeawie Blake, would
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: be Nathaniel Marshall, possible flip targets.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Don't think so on either of those. Now, let's see
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: what happens. I guess with someone likes to hear mathis,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: but right now I don't think so. I don't think
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: they're going to go back with would be and Marshall.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: There was just never I don't for whatever they offered
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: him early, but there was just never a lot there
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: with with him in Ohio State. I think they're fairly
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: happy with the defensive line right now. But again, if
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: if to here Mathis would flip to like Penn State,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: which I think is possible, then maybe we start talking
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: about more defensive linemen. But I would say probably not
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Christopher Sowers. Is there a lot of recruits going to
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: visit for the Iowa game?
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get that little we're gonna start. I'm gonna
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: start a thread on that. Actually I might even do
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: that while we're sitting here kind of getting that going.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: We expect a pretty good amount. Is it going to
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: be Is it going to be the Michigan game?
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Know?
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Is it even going to be the Nebraska game? Probably not,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I suspect we'll see a good amount of recruits.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I know one interesting one to watch. Maybe not as
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: maybe not exciting from like a name standpoint, because he's
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: just a younger guy. But Cad and Gebhart just said
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: he's going to be there. A safety out of Old
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: tang High School, safety linebacker out of Olandangi High School.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: And that's a kid for me, is maybe the best
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: kid in Ohio without an offer right now. I think
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: he's really good, so that may be something to watch
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: this weekend.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: But yeah, well.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: There we expect a larger list than what we've seen
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: so far.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: For sure. Let me look through here. I'm trying not
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: to pick the same person six times, so I'm trying
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: to spread them out. Mikahannah Hugh Freeze through his entire
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: team under the bus. Why would anybody want to play
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: for him? I mean, I think sometimes it's just a
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: matter of geography. I mean, you just that's the team
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: you watched growing up. I mean whether or not you're
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: from eastern Alabama or Western Georgia, and I mean just
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: the proximity. I mean, if you're in Western Georgia, you're
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: closer to Auburn than you are to Uga, and you
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: know your family can show up there. I'm sure that
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: while Hugh Freeze may be a mess, they still have
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: nil dollars and you know, just a lot of things
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: to it. I mean, you know, we don't know what
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: is you know, what is the point? What is the
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: point that puts a kid over the line for one
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: school versus everybody else. We know that for a lot
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: of kids, distance does matter. And even when Mark and
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I go on the Southern Swing, and we talked to
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: a kid in the you know, in the in the
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: in the spring leading into you know, his junior year.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I don't care. I'm going to go where I can
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: do you know where I where I'm a best fit
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: and everything else. And then it gets then, you know,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: it gets to be knucklebust in time, and it's like,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be away from my family, and
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: that's fine. I went a thousand miles away from my
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: family to college. I got homesick, and I never was like, oh,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: I'm going to transfer to University of New Hampshire. I
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: was never really a thought for me. But I also
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: wasn't buried on the depth chart because I am what
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: they call athletically ungifted. So you know, it is what
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: it is. Eric Biddle, Sonny had a socio game and
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: spoiled Buck. Guys are already calling for his head. We
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: need to realize it's the fourth game. Sonny will be
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: just fine.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: He's making a very tough transition right now, and he
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: is making mistakes. He seems a little slow on the reads.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: We talked about this on the postgame show, actually quite
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: a bit. If you want to go back, it's actually
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: relatively close to the beginning of the show. I think
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: if you want to go back and watch the postgame show,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: there's going to have to be some type of reckoning
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: there in terms of it's a bit of a catch
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: twenty two. So on one hand, you've got to let
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Sonny make some mistakes out there, he learns a new
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: position against live teams for the first time. On the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: other hand, if there's a type game at Oregon in
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, is he one of the two linebackers
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: you need to have on a field at that point.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's these are the questions I think the
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: staffs can have to figure out. I've made my position
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: on Sonny very clear, so I'm not going to like
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: go off on a ten minute ran about this. I
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: continue to believe Sonny is an attacking, aggressive north, get
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: north and south defensive player, and that he is not
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: a read and react player, and that he would be
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: best suited playing on the edge. They got halfway there
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: moving him from safety, so I'd like to see him
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: go all the way to the edge by the time
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: his career is over. Now I think it's it may
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: be too late for that, but that's just that's kind
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: of where I'm at. But yeah, they're gonna have to
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: like toe the line here between allowing him some leash
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: to make some mistakes because you're playing a really hard
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: position and you're learning on the fly here. But you know,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: who's who are the linebackers? Who are the two linebackers
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: you want out there in the fourth quarter of a
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: tight game at Oregon in a couple of weeks. I mean,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: that's so these are going to be the things that
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: that they've got to sort through.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Well, people, I mean, look at what Cody Simon did
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: standing up the ball carrier was the first Michigan State
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: offensive drive on fourth and one, they go for it.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: You know, the the defensive line did a really good
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: job of getting low and took out the legs of
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: the blockers in front, but Simon just stood them up
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: and then everybody else jump on pile. Well, how do
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: you how do you differentiate you know, which linebackers and
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: when they're doing it in games? I mean, everybody wants
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: to see more rfl reeks. Everybody wants to see more
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: gay powers. I think a lot of people are being
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: pretty critical of what CJ. Hicks has been able to do.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, how are you going to quantify all of that?
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: So I think that it's still kind of a case
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: of trying to to sort it out. And mean, when
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: you only have two backers out there, I mean, the
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: mic is a mic. You're not You're not going to
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: put somebody who can't doesn't have the body to play mic,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: the physicality or whatever. So you are limited in some
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: ways by you know what, what pieces you have. So
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you have you know, if you're playing
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: you know, that concentration game or whatever, and you've got
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: a bunch of circle pieces and a bunch of square
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: spots to put them in, that doesn't necessarily work. So
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: you you're you're, you're While you are working to get
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: your best eleven players out there, there are some positional challenges.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: You can't sit there and say, Jermaine Matthews is by
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: far one of our best eleven players, let's play them
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: at three tech. It is not going to work.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, Michael Pettitt again, if you want
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: to go back and watch the post game we did.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: We talked a lot about the linebackers in the post
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: game show on Saturday Night. But Michael Pettitt, I can't
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: take credit for this. I gotta to give Michael his
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: credit on this, Michael Pettit made a great point. They
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: ran a lot of three linebacker sets against Michigan State.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: They've been running three linebackers out there against twelve personnel,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: when so when other teams go with two tight ends,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: they've been running a third linebacker on the field and
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: getting taking Jordan Hancock off. When they do that, Simon
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: goes from Mike to Will and Sonny goes from Will
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: to Sam, and then RVL comes in and plays Mike,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: and Michael was kind of wondering aloud, like, A, do
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: they even need to go to three linebackers? Can't Jordan
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Hancock just play? Do you really need to do that
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: even against twelve personnel? But B, you've got guys playing
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: two different linebacker positions throughout the game. Could be on
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: the same drive, Like you have a drive where Sonny
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: is playing both Will and Sam depending on what the
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: offensive is. That too much? Is that? Is?
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: That?
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Is that why Sonny seems to be thinking more than
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: playing and being a little slow to react to me,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: that's a fair question, But you know that's something that
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: you know, we'll we'll have to see what they do
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: the next couple of games here with if they make
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: any changes to how they're operating with the linebackers. But
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with a lot of the people
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: in the chat that you know, I I love what
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I've seen out of RVL Reese. He's he's been he's
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: been a great player when he's had a chance to play,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: And so you know, I I I think they've got
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of depth and athleticism position, but they've got
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: to get the right combinations down and get get their
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: rotations figured out.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Well in this week, This upcoming game will be so
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: much different than the following game. When you have Iowa,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: a team that has a hoss running back in Caleb
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Johnson and can't throw a forward pass Kate McNamara, and
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: that that passing offense is terrible. So are we going
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: to see a lot of four to three because of that?
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Are we going to see Ohio State saying Okay, we're
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: gonna put our corners on an island and then we're
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: gonna we're gonna stack the box because that's all Iowa
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: can do. And to Iowa's credit, it's been pretty successful
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: running the ball. Uh, there's not a lot of offensive
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: diversity or when there is, it doesn't work. And you know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: so it's gonna be different versus Oregon the next week
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: with Dyln Gabriel a quarterback and get you got to
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: account for you know, Evin Stewart and some of these
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: other guys out there, and and and they do have
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: a pretty exciting running back out there that I like,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: but I think he's a little bit more of a
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: slight scat type guy. But we're I think we're gonna
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: learn a lot this week with what happens if they
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: are running a lot of four to three or if
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: they are going to try and stay in this and
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: keep Jordan Hancock out there, because I think I saw
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Mika say it, you got to play more Hancock. It's
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: you know, the rotations are kind of weird of how
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: these things happen and everything else, but you know that's why,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: that's why you play twelve games in the regular season.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: We're only four games through Ohio State's regular season, and
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: you know, we'll learn a lot next week, and we'll
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: learn a lot the week after it, and then we'll
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: have an open week and all well, piss and moan
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: that we don't have a football game to watch but
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Melow number seven, who we had the chance to meet
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: during Southern Swing in Georgia. We need Sonny to perform
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: for future linebacker recruitment. Yeah, I think as long as
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: as long as the position recruits well or plays well,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: your recruitment is going to be fine. You're still going
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: to have James Laura Nidis there, you know, you know,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: congratulation to the Laura Ninas family welcoming another child into
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: the family. I think you're going to see people maybe
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: just looking at the positional group more than the names
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: on the back of the jerseys, especially with Sonny who
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: started in the in the secondary. So I don't know
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: if a lot of people are necessarily equating him four
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: games into the season as the face of the linebacker position.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: I would think that people would probably associate CJ. Hicks
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: more with it if they really follow to Ohio State Captain,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Buckeye huge recruiter. You know, I don't necessarily take rooting interests.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: It's just too difficult to do this job fairly to
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: have rooting interest. But heck, kid was so so died
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: in the scarlet and gray wool that you just you
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: gotta wish, you know, for some success for him. Uh,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Mika Hanna is asking why Justin Hodge isn't ranked.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't answer that one. He's ranked for me,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: he's one of my top fifteen guys or so in Ohio.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: I like him. He's got good size, can stretch the
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: field vertically.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe the national folks haven't seen him yet in person.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: He didn't really uh. I don't think he did much
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: this summer in the camp season, and of course Ohio
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: can't really do seven on seven. They will be able
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: to here hopefully, I think. But you know, you know,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I can see the Ohio ki is on the seven
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: on seven circuits, so you know, yeah, I don't have
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: a good answer for that. I think he's he's a
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: really good player and he's a warline like high three
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: to low four star kid.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: I'll say this just to add on having worked for
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: a network a lot of times TV loves to misrepresent things.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: This kid was a zero star. No, he wasn't a
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: zero star. He just wasn't ranked for one reason or another.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: They didn't, you know, they didn't see his his huddle tape,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: they didn't get out to a game. Whatever it was,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: not somebody is like, this kid is so bleep and terrible,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: we're gonna make him a zero star. Oh he's just
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: unranked sod. Yes, yes, so that's that would.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Be my guess early on as they just haven't they
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: haven't they don't feel like had a good evaluation of him,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: would be my guess. But like you said, I.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: As for the evaluators, Yeah, uh we will jump here
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: to Yawi sham King Stewart any news.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Probably we talked a lot about Jaquim the last couple
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: of weeks. I don't think anything substantial has changed since
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: last week. My stance continues to be Ohio State has
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: done it a then his job recruiting him. Ohio State
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: feels they have a very good chance and that I
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: don't feel that Jaquem's all that enamored with LSU, which
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I think opens the door for Ohio State in the USC.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: But as we've said before, we've had kids in the
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: past we've covered from Louisiana who you know, kind of Oh,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: they're not really that into LSU, but they end up
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: at LSU anyway, and it just the pressure on those
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: guys to stay local down there is significant. It's worse
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: down there than it is up here as far as
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: pressure to stay home, So we will see. Obviously he
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: is going to enroll or Reclassifi's gonna be a twenty
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: twenty five, so I think we'll be probably expecting some
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: type of decision. My guess would be December, but we'll
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: see about that. I think it'll be December. But I
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: suspect he's going to make an official visit. I don't
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: know the proper protocols as far as like he's got
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: to like officially reclassify, and I think there's probably some
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: paperwork that has to be handled to do that so
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: that he can take official visits this fall. So that
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: has to like play itself out because obviously he has
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: to say, hey, I am a twenty twenty five now,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: and that automatically allows him to take official visits. There's
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: got to be some protocol in place that paperwork things
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: like that to get that pushed through. But that's kind
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: of where we're at, kind of a holding pattern. But again,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I just nothing I've heard tells me that he really
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: really loves LSU. So we'll, you know, hey, we'll see
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: what happens.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I'm going to take a break for a second. And
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: ask a question to Mark that I'm not going to
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: type up or whatever. Jeremiah Smith as good as you expected,
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: worse better. I mean, you know, we saw the game
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: against Michigan State on the same drive, a couple of
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: amazing one handed catches, one of them as guy has
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: a handful of his face mask pulling them down, and
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: then of course Devin Brown comes in for the injured
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Will Howard for one play and throws you know, leads
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: him perfectly, and he reaches out and and snares in
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: the one handed touchdown grab. He's scored touchdowns in all
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: four of his games. I mean, between him and Ryan Williams,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: maybe Nick Marsham Michigan State. You put him in the mix.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: There's some you know, there's some amazing freshmen out there.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: But your thoughts on on Jeremiah so.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Far, Yeah, I can't help him, or I can't hype
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: him enough. I've never hyped a high school player like
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I hyped Jeremiah. I'm always like, hey, let's pump the
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: brakes a little bit. You know, so and so is
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: going to start as a freshman, so and so is
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: going to do this and that, And I'm always like,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: you know, hang on this one. I was like, yeah,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: he's gonna start, like, of course he's gonna start, like
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: there's never a doubt my mind. And it's just like, well,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: will he be their best receiver? It's like, oh gosh,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: a Mecca's back. It's like probably the best receiver already.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Will he be like a top ten receiver in the country.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: That's that's lasting a lot, which which ten guys are
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: which ten receivers are taking over Jeremiah Smith right now?
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: So it just like it's like the next step is like, well,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: could he win the Boltant Coff or you're like sitting
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: here like of course he could not win the Bulatant Coff.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: But then it's like, well, you know who knows. I mean,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm kind of done putting a putting a
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: ceiling on him at this point. Again, best wide receiver
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: prospect I've ever covered, best offensive really one A and
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: one B with Jalen Ramsey's the two best high schoo
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: football players I've ever seen. And yet he does things
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: almost every single week where I'm like, man, I still
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: am not, like I just I didn't hype him enough,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Like he's even better than I made him out to
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: be as a recruit. It's it's crazy.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I was sitting in the press box
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: at Michigan State with Tony Gerdaman and I don't know
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: if you've seen the jiff of Dana White like at
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: ringside of you have see event or he just GRIBs
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: a guy next. I'm like, oh my god, I can't
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: believe that. But that was those two catches. That was
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: me and gerd because I mean, we're way up and
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: at least both of them occurred on our sideline of
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: where we were in the press box, and I'm like,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: I just can't. I can't believe what I'm watching at
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: this point and what the scary thing is is and
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm not hyping things up to be, you know,
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: try and build false, false excitement. Milon Graham has some
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: of those characteristics. Myleon Graham is not Jeremiah Smith. We've
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: not seen Mylon Graham do anything yet because he was
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: not a Winner and Rollie everything else. But it is
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: just scary thinking about the amount of talent that is
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: in that room, the fact that we're not talking about
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: a mecca, the fact that we're not really talking a
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: ton about Carnell Tait. The fact that right now, I
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: think if I asked ten Buckeye fans about Brandon Ennis,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: eight of them would just say punt returner, not you know,
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: necessarily what he's doing there. You know, Jayden Ballard isn't
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: getting really any run Bryson Rodgers, and we're not even
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: talking about the fact that they don't throw to the
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: tight ends all that much. I mean, it's just it's
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: it's insanity. Let me get back to our regularly scheduled questions,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Geiger Lee. Is Solomon Thomas any possibility from Florida State
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: given their start this year?
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's open season right now on
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Florida State commits. Is that a guy that I thought
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: was particularly close with Ohio State at any point? Not really?
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Is that a guy who'd probably kick the tires with, Yeah,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: unless something happens beforehand with with like Micahdvo's, I think
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Solomon Thomas would be someone they'd at least make a
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: phone call and they kind of kick the tires on.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: But I don't really see him as a He's a
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: like I don't say realistic, everything's realistic these days, But
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't be at the top of my list of
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: guys that I think that Ohio State could flip right now.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: But again, I think I think it's kind of open
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: season on Florida and Florida State right now.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: You know, Florida I think is going to fire Napier
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: at some point. I just don't know when. There's probably
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: some date where the buyout drops and probably waiting for that.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: But Norvelle's I don't think Norvell is going anywhere. I
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: don't think Florida State can pay the buyouts over sixty
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: million dollars. And like Florida State's got money, Florida State
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: does not have sixty million dollars buying out a coach money.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Not if they're trying to buy out of the ACC.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Right and yeah, they got the ACC thing they're trying
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: to do, which is costing them money. Like there's just
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: eventually you're you're out of money, Like I just you
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: can't continue to go down this path.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Florida just lost a player to Syracuse. I
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: think this morning, I think I saw I was looking
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: at Twitter.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I ran around good Everyone's like, oh McCord and Syracuse.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like, have you seen who else? Syracuse Like Syracuse
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: flipped some guys late in the process. Last year. They
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: got some good recruits late last year. They they added
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: some nice players from the transfer portal, like fran Brown
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: is a is doing a great job at Syracuse right now.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Hopefully fran Brown realizes that Syracuse is a stepping stone
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: job and doesn't doesn't get comfortable like Dino Babers did.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: He can.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: In Alabama again next year and then they fire Kirby. Yes,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I think Hervey's pretty safe, but yeah.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Mika Hannah, Trotwood Madison first win. Have you seen JaMarcus Wise.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I've not seen JaMarcus yet.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: I I.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Got to get out and see Trotwood at some point
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: this season. I just haven't. You know, interesting, definitely interesting prospect,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: the interesting defensive line prospect.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Geiger Lee. Is there another team that you feel that
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: is more challenged than others to prevent their players flipped
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: by another school, maybe due to a lack of culture
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: or empty promises by the coaches collectives U and OLV.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: If we're talking about empty promises, well.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna gonna say something brings.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: In the next quarterback and he looks just as good
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: as the first guy.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that was that was a bad look all
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: around there. But yeah, I mean, obviously certain certain coach,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: certain coaching situations. Coaching stability is always a big thing here.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I wonder about like Miami. I continue to wonder about
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Miami and are the checks going to keep cashing there
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: with some of the stuff going on there with their
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: collective and they're they're big boosters, big donors. But you know,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: other than that, I think most most of the big
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: name schools that have stable coaching situations have their NIL
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: together despite you know, some of them act like they
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: don't have any money. It's or their fans act like
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: they don't have any money, and Ohio State's been guilty
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: of that. They have plenty of money. Notre Dame fans
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: act like they don't do nil, which is maybe the
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: most hysterical thing. But yeah, I think most of the
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: programs we would be interested you'd be interested in us
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: talking about are are pretty well off there. And it's
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: just a matter of like, okay, like how how stable
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: is Like is your coach going to be there? Or
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: you know, is he on the hot seat? Like is
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: is is usc? Like how's Lincoln Riley doing out there?
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Like it's mixed bag so far. Situations like that I
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: think can can cause some some issue, But I haven't
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: heard of any like major, major, major programs with like
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: the empty promises other than like Flora, Like it's all
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: like the Flora schools.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: It's always yeah, it was.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: It's like Florida and Miami and schools like that. It
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: seems to happen down there more than anywhere else.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: And I think we're going to see some many issues
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: until NIL is brought in house into schools and everything else,
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: and then it's the school writing the check so to speak,
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: as opposed to you know, these external deals and everything else,
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: and well do you really have a contract there, and
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: is it a real contract or is it just you know, hey,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: we would like to do this, you know, go in
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: our team name or whatever. I think that's one of
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: the more important things that people are like, well, they
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: need to bring NIL in house because it just makes
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: sense something We've got to bring in IL in the house.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: So it's it's it's more regulated. But you also have
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: to have a situation to where everybody is playing with
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: the same parameters with NIL, because you have so many
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: states that have high school NIL, other ones that don't
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: have high school nil and everything else. And I think
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: that it's when that's where you create your old culture
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: of getting around the rules, skirting the rules, a little
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: bit of cheating or whatever, when you don't have uniformity.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: And the n C two AA is doing everything it
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: can just to survive that, it's not going out there
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: and being forward thinking about how to make all of
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: this happen. And I want to jump to this one
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: this because this wasn't a question I was going to
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: get to next. But Christopher Sowers, I wonder how Clemson
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: is keeping it together? Is it?
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: See? I think Clemson's in a bit of fool's gold
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: right now. I think their schedule is going to allow
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: them to have a better season on paper than maybe
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: the quality of what their what their team actually is.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: I think we've saw how far away they are from
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: really competing with those top caliber you know, the Georgia's, Alabama's,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Ohio States of the world. And now they kind of
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: go into an ACC that, you know, who who is
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: actually good in the ACC this year? I mean, so
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know how tested they're going to be. I
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: tend to think Clemson is kind of going to continue
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: to you know, don't all off at some point they're
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: gonna go all the way down, like the bottom of
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: the ACC or anything like that. But I can see
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Clemson kind of leveling off here as an eight or
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: nine win program, and that's kind of gonna be what
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: they are. I don't know how they're gonna get bad.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is not that long ago that they
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: were arguably the best program in college football. I don't
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: see them getting back to that unless there's a major
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: philosophy shift, and.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: That would take a head coaching change in my opinion,
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: because Dabo is Dabo has said, I'm going to die
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: on these two hills. I'm not going to do transfers.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to do nil or whatever that may be.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: And it's gonna it's gonna get catch up to me
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: here at some point. And the ACC being so mid
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: is you know, probably buying him some time because Florida
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: State is so bad and you know something, you know,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: you and C gave up seventy to Liberty or whatever
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, James Madison or James Madison, Yeah, jmu so,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: who then came out and whipped the crap out of
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: the team that they played the following week. I mean,
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: it's just that people are like, who's gonna win the
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: ACC and my answers, who cares? I mean, it doesn't, doesn't.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: I mean Miami. I mean, Miami is sitting in good position,
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: but it has Miami hasn't looked dominant in my opinion.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Everybody wants to sit there and it's trying to, you know,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: force down her throats cam Ward to win the Heisman.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess, I don't know. I mean I
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: will sit here and say that two things that I
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: believed one was proven right and one was proven wrong
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: on Saturday, and they were in the same game. I've
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: been under selling Jalen Milroe. I just didn't think that
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: he would be able to do it on that big stage,
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: that he was just too limited in some of his abilities.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: I was wrong, but I was right about Carson Beck
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: and us being force fed that he is supposed to
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: be the next heir apparent Number one. Pick Etta et
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: cetera pumped the brakes on that one, because so I'm batting,
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: I'm batting five hundred or I have an f depending
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: if you know I have fifty percent. So I'm going
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: to just say I'm batting five hundred, which makes me
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer. Put a couple more in here. Uh,
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Mika Hannah would like to know about flipping Will Griffin
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: from Florida.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think again, I think it's open
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: season on Florida, especially right now. You know, Griffin is
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: a a you know, he's a Tampa area kid, which
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: is not far from Gainesville, not too far. It's that's
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: if you're in that part of the state. Florida is
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: kind of the the most popular school there. So you
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: wonder how much of that was opportunity, depth chart geography,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: and how much of that was he just loves Billy Napier.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: I mean that that that's kind of the question you
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: got to get to the core of. But given the
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Ohio State hasn't really found its quarterback yet, that that
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: would be an op a call to make. That'd be
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: an obvious situation that Will high should be checking in
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: on right now. Actually, I think Ohio State was probably
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: among his top three or four choices, So I think, yeah,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's certainly something to look at,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: especially if Napier is fired.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: David Johnson. If Napier gets fired, any chance Heartline gets
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: back in touch with Vernal Brown.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I'm sure like Heartline's undoubtedly already
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: keeping the pulse on that because Vernew's a South Florida
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Express kid, So Heartline's already on top of that one.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: But it just like to me, I don't know that
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: you would have picked Florida over a high take the
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: first time around anyway, if you weren't a Florida legacy.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, what reason would he have had other than
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: being a Florida legacy whose family loves Florida and you know,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: grown up loving Florida. What other reason would you have
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: as a wide receiver to choose Florida over Ohio State
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: at this point, So that the fact that he's a
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: legacy and grew up loving Florida and his family loves Florida,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: that's not going to change if Napier gets fired. So
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: I think I'm a little skeptical of it. But yeah,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: I mean it's that's an obvious call that you continue
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: to make and continue to push like hey, come on, dude,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: like no, this is this is a decision that really
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: has maybe tens of millions of dollars at stake in
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: terms of you know, potential professional earnings, and it just
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: do you really want to leave that up to a
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: wild card? I mean, that's the pitch he's going to
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: get from Heartline and we'll see. I mean, we'll see.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: But again, I just I'm always skeptical of guys like this,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Guys like Millig Autry, who seemed to make the decision
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: based off of factors that go beyond winning and losing
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: games and player development and things like that.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: I got the same question, it just worded differently from
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: two different people. So I'll run them both, but it's
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: about the same player. I see Gryffin Haynes is visiting
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: November twenty third. I hope we can flip him from you
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: and see and Mika also has saying that I thought
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: we were the favorites.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Xavian Gryffin Haynes, twenty twenty six, defensive end Rollsville
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: High School in North Carolina. That's Raleigh area.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: We've been there, we have been there.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: That's where Noah Rodgers came out of. I think they
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: have a great chance to flip him. Personally, we're talking
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: about young kids here. You know, these are sixteen seventeen
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: year olds. They're impressionable. It's easy to get wrapped up, especially,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: you know, if there's some excitement around kind of one
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: of the in state schools, it's easy to get wrapped
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: up in all that and and just you know, kind
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: of give that early commitment. You do have to wonder
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: again geography, how how important was you know, being a
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: couple hours or whatever it is. I think it's less
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: than a couple hours from Chapel Hill, but you know,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: a pretty easy drive to Chapel Hill versus a not
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: as easy drive to Columbus. So those are the questions
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: you got to figure out. But yeah, there's no question.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I mean he called Ohio Day's favorite after the camp.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: That to me looked like a classic. And I'm always,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: I'm oftentimes on the other end of these things. I'm
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: always like everyone's like, oh, they're gonna flip this kid,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, maybe, but like you know,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: it's hard to like just sit here and say, who
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: all are gonna flip that? But that was an obvious
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: one to me where it was like, eh, that felt
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: rushed early, off schedule, like out of the blue, left field.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Those are the ones that don't always stick. And if
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: you see what North Carolina has done on the field here.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: They the seventy to James Madison, They had the big
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: lead on Duke, they blew the Duke game. Their defense
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: is killing them right now. I think there's a lot
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: of ingredients here that could add up to a flip
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: for Ohio State. Now, the question is do you want
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: them to flip on that visit or do you want
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: him to, like, you want to play this out for
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: six more months because I don't know that you want
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: to be his second commitment before, you know, in the
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: middle of his junior year, because then it's like, Okay,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: is there a third one coming? Like obviously he's an
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: impressionable but yeah, that's definitely a guy you will get into. Yeah,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: they could. They could totally flip him.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, playing defense is a lot more difficult
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: than playing offense. In terms of recruiting, It's not like
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: this is an Ohio kid who or like a quarterback
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: or somebody who would be the kind of like the
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: pied piper and would be out there actively recruiting for you.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Griffin Hayes wouldn't be out showing
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: his love for Ohio State if he were in fact
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: a flip to Ohio State in this November visit, but
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: a lot of times, you know, you spread it out
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: a little bit. I don't think that there's it's it's
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: not like he's going to reclassify, so you don't need
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: to you don't need to race to get that signature
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: right off the bat. But you know, I think that,
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: you know, I think they're in great shape. I mean,
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: obviously Ohio State has recruited in that school. When we
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: talked to one of the coaches there at Rollsville, when
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: we went to go see Noel Rodgers, when we've made
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: the audible on Southern Swing, I think we were in Georgia,
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: Like in South Georgia, We're like, we could either head
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: home or take a detour essentially to Raleigh to go
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: get this kid. And we went, and you know, it
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: was important talking to the coaches. I think that Ohio
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: State's made a good impression there, even with Norah Rodgers
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: flipping over to NC State via the portal and everything else.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't think I don't think that there
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: needs to be a concern that Ohio State is cool
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: to Jets or anything that couldn't be further from the truth,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: the last one I have in the queue right now
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: as we're closing in on an hour. So this is
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: kind of working out perfect for us. From Mika, what's
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: up with Jacobe Clapper? I like cam Thomas better.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: In terms of his recruiting process. I like where Ohio
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: State's at. I continue to wonder kind of out loud here,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: and I don't think Ohio States decided this yet, so
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: it's not anything I think I can know at this point.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: But they've got free linebacker offers now in state. Is
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: are all three kind of indefinite offers? Is it going
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: to be first two to commit and then they chase
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: an out state guy or something like That's kind of
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: been my question is how many can they take? How
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: many will they offer? How many? You know, is there
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: a pecking order? Is there a that those are all?
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Those are all tough ones. I think we know sincere
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Johnson's got a standing offer, they don't they don't offer
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Glenville kids with an expiration date, so I think we
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: can figure that one out. I know they really like
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Storm Miller and they like Jakobe quite a bit too,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: So you know, I think Jacoby cam Thomas is interesting.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I think he's probably more of like you're outside, almost
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: like a Sam type of player. Jacoby's a little smaller,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: probably not probably could play, could probably play inside though,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: or could play will I'm not like super opinionated on
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: those two, like as far as like one over the other.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: I had them pretty close to my rankings the first time.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: They'll be pretty close to my rankings the second time.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think things are going well with all
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: the Ohio linebackers, and for me, it's just a matter
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: of like, again, is there next Like how many do
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: they take? Would they just take all three? And definitely
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: because I feel like there I feel like there could
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: be a point where it's like we can get this
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: kid from California or Texas and this this one or
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: this one or these two Ohio kids haven't committed yet
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: they're like they could lose a spot. So that's that's
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: been My whole thing is just timing of all this.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I think we are caught up as we just
• 1:02:45
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• 1:02:47
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• 1:02:49
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• 1:02:54
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• 1:02:57
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• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: The Dylan La game.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, the game, or let me let me rephrase that Rayola,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: since I guess he's changed his name is even though
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: his dad and uncle were Rayola. I don't know.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: I thought he would change the last name to Mahomes.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: But yeah, have you seen the side by side? I
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: know it's almost like like I'm not trying to make
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: fun of him, like everyone's got their role models all
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: especially these athletes they've got like these everyone's got their
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: idols they looked up to. It is like almost creepy.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: The manner how like the mannerisms are like he has
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: to be practicing that in the mirror, Like there's no
• 1:04:11
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• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: It's like everybody dressing up like the Rock wearing a
• 1:04:15
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• 1:04:18
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• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's hilarious. It's also a little bit creepy.
• 1:04:25
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• 1:04:30
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• 1:04:32
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• 1:04:34
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• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: the flip targets both the players that she's trying to
• 1:04:41
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• 1:04:44
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• 1:04:45
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• 1:04:49
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• 1:04:51
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• 1:04:54
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• 1:04:56
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• 1:04:59
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• 1:05:08
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• 1:05:10
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• 1:06:43
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