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Basem Wasef Takes the Wheel · That Car Show

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  I called Aston Martin, I called Mercedes-Benz, I called Ferrari
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  and I called Porsche. And literally, I kid you not,
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  within about two weeks my garage had four exotic convertibles in
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  it. Tonight on that car show, it's
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  Bassem Wasseth, author, journalist, content creator, and
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  automotive man about town. Bassem is always driving
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  something amazing or checking in from some exotic locale.
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  But it might surprise you how we even broke into this car thing.
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  I'll give you a hint. Sometimes you just have to ask.
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  Also, we've got to say hello to our listeners in Korea who must
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  be the most loyal on the planet. We've been sitting at #8 on the
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  Korean Automotive podcast charts this weekend.
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  You heard it here. If you can get us to #1 Korean
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  listeners, we will do an episode just for you.
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  In the meantime, Gum say, ah, it's Bassam Wassef.
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  It's that car show, and it's a good one.
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  It's that car show. And Lindsay and I have our
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  friend Bassam Wassef here with us tonight.
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  Bassam is one of those car people that just seems to be in
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  all the right places, doing all the coolest stuff all the time.
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  He's the author of several books, a journalist at all the
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  outlets that seem to matter, and an automotive content creator in
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  the truest sense of the word. His work focuses on the culture,
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  the history, and the experience of riding and driving the bikes
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  and the cars that we love. And there's a certain conviction
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  in his tone and effortless elegance in his writing that can
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  come only from genuine passion. So it's been a long time coming,
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  but welcome to that car show, Bassam.
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  Thank you for having me, it's so cool to be here.
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  Yeah, it's so good to see you. We're.
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  Glad to have you. So where do we start with you?
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  Because you are a man of many motoring pursuits, maybe we
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  start with where it all began for you car wise.
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  Gosh, long, long time ago. I'm going to start this like
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  this trip down memory lane that's going to make me say, how
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  did this happen? How did I become the the elder
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  statesman of the? Car watch out, we're the same
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  age I think. It sneaks up on you, Let me tell
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  you. I had no intention of making
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  cars a profession or a life a lifetime of.
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  It was always a passion. I just always geeked out over
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  cars. I was always reading car
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  magazines as a kid, you know? I was singing Matchbox Happy
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  birthday to my Matchbox toys. I love it.
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  Yeah, it starts so early. It starts so early.
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  And that means? We're going to get a really good
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  story. There's, there's a lot of
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  stories. How much time do you have?
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  I know I, I started early and, but I never imagined it would
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  become something, you know, I always just thought, oh, I just
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  like this thing, but I'll do something else.
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  And, you know, everyone else in my family does very different
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  things. So I come from a family of
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  doctors and generationally my parents felt that the only true
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  proper profession was becoming a doctor.
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  And I started on that trajectory.
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  Even though I was doing all the creative stuff that a kid does.
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  In high school, I was, you know, I was a film geek.
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  I was developing film in the lab and I love photography and
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  creative writing and I was journaling like crazy and I was
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  doing a lot of drives, but I never, I always did it
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  therapeutically. You know, that was lucky.
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  My parents got me a Mustang GT convertible as my first car when
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  I was 16. You could do a lot worse, right?
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  Yeah, and I'm lucky to be alive. Sure.
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  Yeah. We are you're like I tried it.
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  Was a lot of power back then. You look at it now and you're
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  like, really? But like, no tracking control,
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  no ABS, like, you know, terrible tires.
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  So I, I really tried to live it as best I could when I was a
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  kid. I, I, Otto crossed and did all
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  these things, but it was pure passion, you know, completely
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  elective on my own, went to UCLA, studied film.
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  I was an English major. I loved writing, I loved
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  literature. I loved all those things.
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  But again, I was on a different path and I decided to go into
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  film and TV. My first job out of college was
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  at Disney, ABC, cable networks, really.
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  And yeah. And I ended up becoming a
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  creative exec there, and I was working on music programming.
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  I'm a big music geek, and music and reality, and I love that.
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  But I was jealous of the people I was hiring because I was
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  hiring all the creatives that were doing the actual fun stuff,
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  not being told what to do. They're not telling people what
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  to do. Went off on my own.
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  I started editing. I edited a couple independent
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  features always had the car bug in in latent, like running on,
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  you know, in the background like a fan, like a noisy fan on a
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  laptop that's. My very specific example.
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  Please continue. And one day I saw a Craigslist
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  ad for a local upscale lifestyle magazine that was looking for an
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  automotive writer. I thought, oh, that'd be totally
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  fun to just throw my name in the hat for whatever, you know, just
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  to see what happens. And so like them and and they're
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  like, we'll just send samples of your work.
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  And I hadn't written anything professionally ever.
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  I thought, well, how about I was like, how about if I create
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  something for you, I'll just write a little essay about
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  something car related. So I did.
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  And it was a real kind of like shot in the dark, but I got a
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  call back and they're like, you know, you seem to know what
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  you're talking about. Do you want to, do you want to
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  do our summer convertible issue? I was like, yeah, but I didn't
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  know. I didn't know anyone in the
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  industry. I didn't know anything about
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  anything except that I like cars.
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  And this was an upscale magazine.
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  So I had to really aim high. I had to think of the best,
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  flashiest cars that I could to let them read like the story
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  because it wasn't quite a done deal.
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  And I really had to prove myself.
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  So I literally called called manufacturers.
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  I called Aston Martin, I called Mercedes-Benz, I called Ferrari,
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  and I called Porsche. And literally, I kid you not,
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  within about two weeks, my garage had four exotic
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  convertibles in it. That's.
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  What you didn't? Say, I think.
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  You maybe missed your calling and you should have gone into
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  sales because? Oh no, definitely not, believe
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  me. Much better.
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  Creating words and images. Yeah, no, I so I, I like, and
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  it's funny, like maybe it was the time, maybe it was whatever,
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  maybe the way the stars aligned. But like Aston Martin, like
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  literally tossed me the keys, didn't ask for a driver's
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  license. I was like, OK, this is, this is
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  cool. But I filled out loan agreements
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  for the 9/11 cabriolet and I got a Maserati Spider.
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  Ferrari was kind of trying to, you know, rise me through the
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  ranks. I didn't quite Ferrari, They
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  said start with Maserati, see how that goes and remember that.
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  Spider too, right? You know it was the twin of the
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  coupe, right? And with.
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  An ad of Ferrari V8 block. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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  Oh, it's so tempting. They're so cheap.
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  Buyer beware though. And then the SL55 AMG was
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  supercharged 88.5 point 5. I just love, I didn't know I
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  love that car until I drove it and I was like, wow, this works
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  really well. So I did that and it was a
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  slippery slope because you know, I'm, I'm not trying to my horn,
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  but I was pretty good at the words thing.
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  Like I was thinking I'd like fed all these car magazines over the
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  years and sucked in all this information and it was just like
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  to spig it open. Like I was just like, I could
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  write 10,000 words about a car if I I had the roof.
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  You know, I loved it. It was a trip, but I had no idea
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  how the industry works still. And so Porsche really liked the
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  article. They said, would you like to
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  come out and test the 996GT3 at VIR?
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  And I was like, yeah, but I should check with my I'll check
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  with my editor to make sure that they can fly me out to do this.
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  And they kind of laughed. And they're like, we'll fly you
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  out. Don't worry about that.
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  I was like, whoa, you'll fly me out and you'll put me up and
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  you'll give me seat time. And, you know, next thing I
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  know, I've got like Hurley Haywood in the right seat
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  telling me to break later. And, you know, it was a trip
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  like all of the every step along the way was like, oh, it works
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  like this. OK.
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  And then like my first trip to Europe, I was for, for, for, for
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  automotive. It was like just full immersion.
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  And Mercedes used to have this trip called the, they called it
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  the DNA trip. And it was basically like young
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  journalists early in their careers, let's indoctrinate them
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  and just immerse them in everything about the brand.
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  We'll take them on a factory. Oh yeah, I was complete.
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  I fell for it. I was completely brainwashed.
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  I always liked the brand already.
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  But like, you know, you see how things are in Stuttgart, Like
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  the center of German car culture, one of the centers of
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  German car culture. You tour their massive sprawling
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  factory and then they have 4 classic cars that your small
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  group drives to the classic center.
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  You see their hidden collection of, of F1 cars and all their
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  historical relics that, that are top secret and you know,
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  undisclosed location, nondescript warehouse, like
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  everywhere you turn, you're just like, Oh my God, I can't believe
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  I'm doing this, you know, and then go drive on the Audubon
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  unrestricted and see what that's like.
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  You know, I was in love. I was, I, I love film and TV,
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  but I was like, it's really hard to go back to that when, when
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  this part of my childhood that's part of my imagination is being
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  really nurtured and brought to life, right?
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  So yeah, it was like a drug. I couldn't say no.
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  And well, it's like you said, I think it's so interesting when
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  you look back and just consuming all the car magazines the way
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  you were effectively you were researching and training and
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  learning without realizing it, which is a lot of times more
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  effective. And then all it took was the one
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  opportunity and you're like, wait, I've been training for
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  this my whole life. Yeah, yeah.
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  In a weird way it's sort of a language too.
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  It's like off mags, like there's this sort of way of thinking and
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  communicating. And this is pre Internet so you
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  know, before the really personal takes on cars they were more
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  like literature. It's almost like your favorite
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  author getting into a car and and and waxing poetic about
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  what's great sucks. What were you reading?
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  And I guess were there any particular journalist that you
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  really put on a pedestal because it was a different time, you
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  know, this long format stuff. I mean, there were some some,
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  there was some brilliant writing in those magazines back then.
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  Yeah, Peter Egan is one of my heroes.
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  Might as well. Yeah, I, I mean, I read his.
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  His every, everything that came out and all the compilation
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  books, you know, John Phillips, I love there.
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  There's a lot of that, you know, David E Davis era of journalists
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  that really put it out there. You know, set right is one of
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  those like I didn't grow up reading him, but when I when I
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  got into him later, I was like, this guy's brilliant.
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  Like he brings it to the next level, like a lot of it's like,
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  but it's so great, you know, and he goes really in deep too.
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  I mean, I have I have thick books on like 1950s F one cars
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  by him, you know, like talking like hundreds of pages of of
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  just like it's dense, but it's great.
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  You can see the research in the size of the book.
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  Yeah. Absolutely, yeah.
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  And then like, you know, one of my one of my personal mentors
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  was Randy Leffingwell. Is Randy Leffingwell, prolific
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  author and great photographer and really helped me with my
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  first book and give me an idea of how to tackle that because I
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  was completely overwhelmed. My first book assignment from
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  Motor Books back then, Motor Books, Legendary Motorcycles.
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  And I just looked at the word count and the page count and all
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  the photos I had to take and acquire and like process.
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  And I just told them, like, how do you do this?
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  And he just stopped and he turned to me and said, how do
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  you eat an elephant? I was going to say that.
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  One bite at a time. You just start like that first
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  step and then process. Yeah, it's literally one of the
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  questions I had for you for later.
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  I want to talk about your Myers Manx, but but we'll we'll get to
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  that. You know, it just seems like
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  such a such a thing, right? Like where do you start?
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  But I want to ask what makes car content great?
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  Whether it's a book, whether it's a video?
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  Like what? What is it?
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  What, what, what? Set something above the rest.
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  I think especially now more than ever, it's so hard to hold
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  attention. It's so hard to to grasp on to
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  something that somebody's telling you and want to hear
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  more and have that appetite of learning something you didn't
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  know. And it's it's that OFT referred
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  to dopamine hit of like, oh, I didn't know that.
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  Tell me more. You know, because there's so the
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  opposite. There's so much, you know, how
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  many memes can you take in before you just want to like
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  throw your phone away? Or how many you know, how many
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  predictable stories can you hear before you just decide you need
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  to change your channel? And so I think what makes for
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  great, great content is great people telling those stories.
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  And even if the story is your is an Instagram short or a YouTube
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  YouTube short, just saying something that like, Oh, I
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  didn't know that. Look at what this guy's guy
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  girls doing or saying. You know, engagement.
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  I think it really like boils down to engagement.
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  Well, I think like you said, there is so much content.
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  I think people gravitate towards authenticity.
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  And so to your point, like if you have good people putting the
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  content out, that colors what they're saying.
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  And I think it holds people's attention.
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  A. 100% it has to be the truth, you know?
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  It has to be the unvarnished, what you liked and what you
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  didn't like. And if in the best possible
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  world, what you like makes you go crazy because it's what
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  you've always been looking for. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Like better hearing feel and
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  that Lotus Elise, I just. This is what I want in every
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  car. That's.
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  Yeah. And if it's something that you
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  don't like, it's it should be morally repugnant to you.
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  Like, how dare they make the steering wheel white.
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  That's just awful. Who does or why does Mercedes
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  put the door controls on the door?
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  Like, I want to reach out whatever stupid thing triggers
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  you, you know, like, if it's an authentic reaction, I think
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  there's somebody out there who goes, Oh, yeah, I hate that too,
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  you know? They're just like me.
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  I'm so relatable. Car journalists, they're just
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  like us. Right and.
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  How about that Lotus Elise, huh? Really.
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  One of the great. Happens only though, by the way,
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  can we just step aside and say for a second like, what is wrong
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  with us? We can talk about cars forever,
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  right? Yeah.
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  The Lotus Elise, I went to a launch it at at Atlanta, Atlanta
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  and I will never forget this because it was my First off in a
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  car on a track and it was one of the first time track.
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  It was very memorable and later found out that it wasn't my
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  fault, but at the time I felt really bad about it.
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  I'm coming over the Crest and I can't really see where I'm going
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  to come over the Crest and I, I kind of like come out on the
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  curbing and I'm on the curbing. So I'm correcting and I'm trying
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  to drive off the curb and going down that hill and, you know,
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  the curbing is very rough. It's like a serrated knife edge.
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  And the Elise is not very compliant.
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  It's pretty tightly. Well, especially the driving one
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  of the IT was the Exige, I think actually.
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  And all of a sudden car starts to spin.
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  I was like, and I I get out of the car and they come to take
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  the car and it's very shameful. It's like, yeah, you're that
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  guy. Everybody stop what they're
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  doing. Jerk has the worst.
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  It's the worst moment. I'd never wish that on anyone.
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  No, but I looked back at the back wheel and the back wheel
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  was like this. And what happened was the the
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  oscillation of the curbing had snapped the trailing arm.
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  So the back wheel does that doesn't really help.
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  You're trying to control the car.
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  Counterproductive. Yeah, seems like to rotate
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  anyway, so no. Expert but.
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  Ask me how I know. But yeah, yeah, I just think
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  those are one of my bucket list cars.
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  You know, Lindsay and I have talked about them.
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  They're not getting cheaper. I've kept an eye on them too and
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  it's like they're going up. It's hard to find low mile ones
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  too. And it's hard to find them
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  without the clamshell being like damaged or previously damaged.
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  And that'll total the car out. But the the the silver lining of
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  really crappy British construction is if this is might
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  be apocryphal, but when you get a new bonded aluminum tub if you
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  need to, it's way better than what came out of the factory
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  because took them time to get the tolerances right and figure
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  out how to make it proper. Right.
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  It's kind of amazing. That thing was even built in
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  2005, right? It was a a car out of its time
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  and just so good at manual steering with that tiny little
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  steering wheel. It's just you can't match that
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  in anything Made sense. And yeah, it's just, it's an
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  amazing thing. Not sure I could fit in one
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  anymore, but damn they're good. They're they're kind.
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  For me, the supercharged really was the sweet spot because yeah,
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  OK, I mean, you can be patient with the 1.9 liter NA engine,
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  but to have that just help things along makes the whole
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  patch kind of just feel more complete.
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  Yeah, absolutely a nice one. They made them great colors,
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  yes. They.
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  Did well, they're so I mean, and when you do see them out and
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  about, they always catch your attention.
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  You know, maybe that's because, as you said, we all have this
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  car sickness where we're always looking.
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  Totally. But like, even when it was new,
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  like you'd drive it around and people would think it was like a
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  $200,000 car. And then when it was new, it was
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  like when it debuted it was like 39 K or something.
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  I know. I.
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  Know very accessible. Yeah, it's one of those cars.
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  If we'd go back in time, I'd buy 10, right?
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  It's just. That and air cold 9 elevens but
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  that's another. Story.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, well, Speaking of going
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  back in time, you know, one of the things I think is neat about
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  you've asked them is that you've written for two different
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  magazines that, as as a kid growing up in the Midwest,
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  really defined luxury in my eyes.
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  Rob Report and DuPont Registry, I think you're roughly my age
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  and I assume that you were reading them back in the day as
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  well and pouring over the same, you know, slant nose conversions
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  and wide body 560 SEC's and all this.
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  How is the definition of automotive luxury changed in
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  your eyes since those halcyon days of the 80s and 90s?
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  I think the extremes have expanded.
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  If you look at it as a spectrum, you know, back then there were
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  Bugattis, you know, like back when I was growing up, it was
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  the, it was the, what was it called?
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  110 or EB110? Thank you.
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  You know, that there was that. Yeah.
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  And they were really plush, archaic versions of, of luxury
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  cars. And on my poster there were
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  things like Testarossas and Countashas and and the odd 930
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  turbo. But you have so many boutiques
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  that have entered the fray and you've got, you know, the
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  Koenig's Eggs and the Paganis and the and I think that created
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  an arms race, at least in the hypercar world to, to go Wilder.
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  And so Lamborghini was already wild.
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  But then they started doing all these limited production
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  versions for multi $1,000,000 that went just, you know, off
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  the deep end. I think luxury cars benefited
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  from technology. I mean, to the point where like
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  when they were developing the Rolls Royce Phantom 7, they got
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  it so quiet that you'd get Vertigo in it.
• 20:52
  You know, like you were just like missing the edge of all
• 20:56
  these limits. And like, you know, cars like
• 21:00
  the remark Navara just accelerating so hard, like may
• 21:04
  as well 'cause internal damage your organs.
• 21:07
  You know, like there's all these exploitations of ideas like the
• 21:13
  fastest, you know, or the car that could go anywhere, you
• 21:16
  know, all the off road, like, you know, the Defender Octa and
• 21:19
  all these like, kind of like extreme things.
• 21:22
  You can get the word unthinkable before from a factory.
• 21:25
  I mean, you could build it up and try to make it something
• 21:27
  exotic, but like to have a reliable, a relatively reliable
• 21:30
  factory offering that's that can do these crazy things.
• 21:35
  I think all the niches just slowly got filled.
• 21:38
  And maybe that's part of the reason why I am new cars are
• 21:43
  great and I love experiencing them and I love driving on race
• 21:47
  tracks. I love doing all the things that
• 21:49
  come in my job. But part of the my job that I
• 21:52
  love also is classics. I mean, I write more about
• 21:54
  classics now and they really talk to me like I love old cars
• 22:00
  because they tell a totally different story.
• 22:02
  And the end goal is not having 4 digit horsepower or rearranging
• 22:08
  your guts or, you know, all the things that you can do under
• 22:13
  controlled circumstances. But in the real world, it's so
• 22:16
  hard to touch upon that it becomes more of a perception
• 22:21
  game than a experiential game. Not to not to overly
• 22:27
  intellectualize it, but you know, I mean, there's something
• 22:31
  about getting into a car and smelling the leather and feeling
• 22:37
  like history is talking to you or feeling like there's, there's
• 22:43
  interfaces that you'll never have.
• 22:44
  Now, like I drive a 1963 Land Rover that has a metal dashboard
• 22:49
  that lap belts that I barely ever use because I think it's
• 22:52
  probably better to be thrown out, right?
• 22:55
  You know, actually you don't want.
• 22:56
  To be held in. Yeah.
• 22:58
  But it's, it's an experience. Like going to the grocery store
• 23:02
  is great. You know, I it's it's
• 23:05
  exhilarating and it's not fast and it's not, you know, it's not
• 23:09
  sanitized, but you're interacting with a machine and
• 23:12
  it's just a special experience. Yeah.
• 23:15
  Well, and I think that's so true for car people because we talk a
• 23:17
  lot about, you know, especially with social media engagement is
• 23:21
  a big buzzword. But when you think about for car
• 23:24
  people, we talk about like what's an engaging drive?
• 23:27
  And I think you and I are similar in that we share a lot
• 23:30
  of the car experiences with our family.
• 23:32
  And Ryan, you do too. And the classic cars, I think
• 23:36
  you don't need to, you can't go to the track, you know, with
• 23:39
  your kids. So it lets you enjoy the hobby
• 23:43
  in a way that's very unique and engaging.
• 23:45
  And like you said, the cars have such stories that it's like it's
• 23:51
  kind of going back in time a little bit, but it.
• 23:53
  Really is can I turn the tables and have you guys just talk
• 23:56
  about your favorite classic cars, either personal or or
• 24:00
  whatever you do, Brian? You.
• 24:02
  Go first. Sure.
• 24:03
  Well, I know you've been on the Colorado Grand, right?
• 24:07
  What did you drive on the Grand IF?
• 24:09
  You sound like a spoiled brat now. 300SL roadster thank you
• 24:15
  Mercedes-Benz classic. It was a dream and and I love.
• 24:19
  Those. Guys, Oh my God, they're they're
• 24:21
  the greatest. And I was lucky enough to do the
• 24:23
  meal. Amelia in a 300SL coupe, which
• 24:28
  bucket list? Check.
• 24:29
  Incredible. Incredible.
• 24:31
  Amazing and I'm with you, Bassam.
• 24:32
  That is the car that does it for me.
• 24:34
  There's just something about that package.
• 24:36
  I think for the grand, I think the roadster is probably the
• 24:38
  better mount for a couple of reasons, right.
• 24:41
  You just open and you know every a little more compliant and this
• 24:43
  and that is the car. I get it now.
• 24:45
  I've never been in a car like that, you know, until recently
• 24:48
  and I get it now. That is a car that does it for
• 24:51
  me. I really have fallen in love
• 24:53
  with a Porsche 356 as well. Again, something that that's new
• 24:57
  to me, always been on my radar. I've I'm going to say it again,
• 25:02
  I'm going to brag about this till the day I die.
• 25:03
  I spent a day with Rod Emery in one of his cars on the grand
• 25:06
  this last year and it just all came together for me, right.
• 25:10
  So those are the two that really kind of do it for me.
• 25:13
  But I also see the appeal of an old Land Rover or even an old G
• 25:17
  wagon or something, horses for courses.
• 25:19
  But there is something you can't replicate that they, they don't
• 25:23
  bake that experience into a car anymore, do they?
• 25:26
  And it's it's, it's the only way to get it right is this is to go
• 25:29
  back in time. So what about you, Lindsay?
• 25:32
  What, what? What does it for you?
• 25:33
  I know I was sitting. Here, other than the Broncos.
• 25:35
  Or maybe it isn't well. The Broncos on the.
• 25:38
  Right. Like I think you make a good
• 25:40
  point to Bassem about like a lot of these hyper cars, the only
• 25:44
  way to truly enjoy them or really experience them at their
• 25:46
  fullest is the racetrack. But that's not most of our daily
• 25:50
  lives. And so if you have a classic
• 25:52
  like your Land Rover, it lets you turn like a trip to the
• 25:55
  grocery store into an experience, especially if you
• 25:58
  can take your family with you. So that plays into a lot of my
• 26:03
  choices when I think about like what my favorite classics are.
• 26:06
  You know, I'm, I'm very lucky that my family has a 73 Bronco
• 26:09
  that I have access to. So of course, you know, I had to
• 26:12
  start with the Bronco, but that is one of the few that has back
• 26:15
  seats so the kids can go in the back.
• 26:17
  And my daughter has really connected to that one.
• 26:20
  Like she'll go out and ask if we can take the Bronco out for a
• 26:22
  drive, which I, you know, of course I'm going to encourage.
• 26:26
  And the thing that has struck me about the Bronco is how much joy
• 26:31
  it brings just across the board. Like if you take the Bronco for
• 26:35
  a drive, it doesn't matter who you pass age, you know, sex,
• 26:39
  race, whatever the number of people that point and smile or
• 26:42
  if they're with somebody, they'll tap them on the shoulder
• 26:44
  to make sure they see the car. Like I love that element of it.
• 26:48
  And it's just fun to drive and it's fun to compare to the more
• 26:51
  modern examples of Broncos, which is what I learned to drive
• 26:55
  in. So it's different.
• 26:56
  You know, I love trucks and SU VS so that's obviously has, you
• 27:01
  know, a soft spot for that. But I also love a 289 Cobra
• 27:06
  because those are just like Ryan, you said, I get it.
• 27:09
  And literally within like a second of my first drive in the
• 27:13
  Cobra, I in my head, I went, oh, I get it.
• 27:16
  And you know, because a lot of my.
• 27:18
  Driving car? What a special car.
• 27:20
  It's, I mean, it's so special. It's really unique.
• 27:24
  Most of my performance driving had been on a track that was
• 27:27
  kind of the first, like classic on the street in a long time.
• 27:32
  And I shocked myself because I went, OK, oh, I get it.
• 27:35
  And I went, I don't ever have to go to the track again.
• 27:38
  I just have to do this every Saturday morning.
• 27:41
  You know how lucky you are to have that car in your family.
• 27:44
  I know you know that, but just as a as an outsider, right?
• 27:47
  I mean, that's just like that doesn't happen you.
• 27:49
  Know no. I get chased.
• 27:51
  People are having a hard 9/11. It's special.
• 27:54
  It's really cool. So that so I have three
• 27:57
  favorites. The other one is the Shelby
• 27:59
  GT350 because that's what I learned how to drive a manual.
• 28:03
  Oh my God, I thought I was spoiled.
• 28:04
  Geez, I'm just going to leave now, right?
• 28:08
  Yeah. The gauntlet has been thrown.
• 28:11
  Love it, game on. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 28:15
  That just means it's fun for all of us.
• 28:17
  That is a good family. I do not come from a car family.
• 28:21
  So that's what I was going to ask you like was this, you know,
• 28:23
  because people always and I know like your son has been
• 28:26
  interested in cars. My daughter is too, Ryan.
• 28:28
  I know your daughter has been and we've talked about myself.
• 28:32
  Because kind of he's, he's honestly like he's, he tolerates
• 28:36
  cars now at this point because he's, he's into rockets and
• 28:40
  like, yeah, he's leapfrogged me. He's he's way over.
• 28:46
  But that's what you like to see, right?
• 28:47
  You want the next generation to leave.
• 28:48
  Ahead, I feel no compunction to make him do anything or like he
• 28:53
  is his own kid, you know, and he can run with it and there's an
• 28:57
  actual like a a great industry behind it.
• 29:00
  So like, you know, more power to him.
• 29:02
  Right. Literally.
• 29:04
  Totally. I mean, who knows what's
• 29:05
  happening to the car business right now like.
• 29:08
  What a mess. We'll get to that.
• 29:11
  Yeah, it's, well, you know, I guess related, you know, you
• 29:14
  recently authored a book on a brand that, well, here, I'll
• 29:18
  show it. What a cool thing.
• 29:21
  It's a brand that we hear at the car show have been crushing on
• 29:24
  for a while now. My Myers Manx, They're just such
• 29:27
  cool things. And I think they speak to a lot
• 29:29
  of these sort of elements of joy, right, that we've we've
• 29:31
  talked about. It's one of the few new cars you
• 29:33
  can buy that does that. I think in my eyes, this book is
• 29:37
  about the 60th anniversary of the mark that's been reborn
• 29:41
  under the leadership of of Philip Seraphim.
• 29:42
  It's it's such a say that again, it's such a cool book.
• 29:46
  And I know, you know, my background is, is our direction,
• 29:49
  graphic design. You know, I know how much work
• 29:52
  something like this takes. You know, it's so well
• 29:55
  researched. It's massive.
• 29:58
  You talked a little bit about this before, you know, but where
• 30:00
  do you start with something like this?
• 30:01
  Because this is a brand that really, you know, for all
• 30:03
  intents and purposes, was dormant for many, many years,
• 30:06
  right? Yeah, I mean, the beauty of the
• 30:09
  brand is it's a real, it's a rare example of an imprint of
• 30:13
  one man's vision. It's not a committee, it's not
• 30:19
  people telling him what to do. He had this vision and he was an
• 30:23
  artist and A and, and an engineer, like he had both sides
• 30:27
  of the brain, like he could understand how things fit
• 30:29
  together and how to make them work.
• 30:32
  And that was the beauty of being able to tell the story was it
• 30:36
  was honestly like the story tells itself because the man
• 30:39
  lived the lived the dream. And even though, you know, some
• 30:43
  of his business decisions were not the greatest, like the, the
• 30:47
  legacy is incredible and the brand survived and the brand is,
• 30:51
  is going strong right now, which is amazing thanks to Philip RFM
• 30:55
  and and Truesdale ventures that that took it over.
• 31:01
  But you know, you can, you can dive so deep into the guy's life
• 31:06
  in the course of the company, in the ups and downs, but the proof
• 31:10
  is in the pudding. Like just sit in the driver's
• 31:12
  seat of a of a classic Manx and just even just take it around
• 31:16
  the block and you'll get it. You'll just giggle like.
• 31:20
  Yeah, that's another, I get it, driving experience.
• 31:23
  Yeah. They're so pure.
• 31:25
  I mean, we're talking about the Elise being pure.
• 31:27
  This is just like a translation of that idea applied to
• 31:30
  something that can drive on sand dunes and go all over the place.
• 31:34
  You know, fiberglass tub. It's so air elemental, air
• 31:36
  cooled engine in the back. It's it's so functional and it's
• 31:41
  so lightweight and you know, you can you can drive Baja in it.
• 31:46
  I mean, it's not like functional for daily, daily driving, but
• 31:50
  for, for, for a buggy, like for fun, it's just, it's hard to
• 31:55
  beat it. You know, it's, it's a great
• 31:57
  experience. And so it's so specific to
• 32:00
  California too. That's what I love about the
• 32:02
  stories such as Southern California beach culture story.
• 32:07
  And it's so evocative of a place and time.
• 32:10
  You know, 1964 anything was possible and moon landings and
• 32:15
  everything that was coming, you know, it was just like a, a
• 32:18
  magical time. And like, I can't imagine a, a
• 32:22
  guy right now with an idea that big doing it without having
• 32:29
  venture capital come in and make it something that it's not.
• 32:33
  And, you know, dilute the the vision of of this very simple,
• 32:38
  pure thing. The great thing about taking
• 32:42
  over brand like that couple years ago is everybody has a
• 32:47
  memory of it. Everybody.
• 32:49
  You know, there's this well formed idea, there's this well
• 32:51
  formed concept and you know, they're working on an EV and it
• 32:55
  actually kind of makes sense for the format because it is, it
• 33:01
  enables you to experience your surroundings without
• 33:03
  distraction. You know, I mean, imagine if
• 33:07
  you've ridden a electric dirt bike or you've ridden anything
• 33:11
  electric out in nature, like you hear birds chirping, you hear
• 33:14
  like the leaves crunch under the tires, like it's a just a
• 33:17
  different experience, you know, and you're not going to drive
• 33:21
  it, you know, across the state anyway.
• 33:23
  So you don't need 304 hundred miles of range, right?
• 33:27
  It's a very interesting paradigm.
• 33:29
  Yeah, yeah. It's such an iconic shape.
• 33:32
  I mean, it's right up there with anything, the shape of the
• 33:34
  silhouette of a 9/11 or anything else.
• 33:35
  So you know it when you see it, it's just, it's just part of the
• 33:39
  culture, right? Especially in Southern
• 33:40
  California, you know? Yeah.
• 33:42
  Related. Just say I'm, I'm obsessed with
• 33:45
  with these icons. I hate to use the word icon, but
• 33:47
  really the, the iconic vehicles whose DNA hasn't really, you
• 33:53
  know, has a through line that goes decades, you know, 9/11
• 33:56
  Stang Land Rover, like there's only Jeep, there's only a
• 34:00
  handful of them. But like they, they kept their
• 34:03
  soul and know they have to adapt and modernize and meet safety
• 34:08
  standards and everything. Like you look at and you know
• 34:10
  what it is and that's that's a beautiful.
• 34:13
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't buy that, right?
• 34:15
  I mean, you, you that has to be organic and, and yeah, it's rare
• 34:19
  and it's special. And I guess related, please tell
• 34:22
  me that you've flown Myers Manx Airways.
• 34:25
  Oh, I have not flown yet. You have all people.
• 34:29
  I've sat in the plane. I know, Phillip, yeah, Ryan
• 34:33
  said. I need to fly it.
• 34:36
  Yeah, I think that is the coolest thing.
• 34:38
  Ever. It is so cool and it's like
• 34:40
  embodies once again, like it's not the fastest.
• 34:43
  It's not like, you know, you could have had a jet as a
• 34:46
  mascot, but it just wouldn't fit the mission.
• 34:48
  The ideas go anywhere, you know, land on water, land on on ground
• 34:53
  and I have a soft spot for amphibs.
• 34:55
  You know, I consulted for Icon aircraft back in the day when
• 34:59
  they were starting up and they were going to market.
• 35:02
  And it was a really neat airplane that was just built
• 35:05
  around the Spirit of Adventure carbon fiber airframe.
• 35:09
  And you could fold the wings and put it on a trailer and you
• 35:13
  could land on water and then it had wet landing gear and then
• 35:17
  you could take off and then go land in an airport.
• 35:19
  And it was a really, really neat thing so that.
• 35:25
  Sounds very fun. Yeah.
• 35:27
  And the old, the old saying is like when you're a kid, you're
• 35:30
  either interested in the fastest thing or the thing that can go
• 35:33
  anywhere. You know, that's the thing that
• 35:36
  can go anywhere is an amphibious airplane.
• 35:38
  That's cool, that's cool. You have a thing for old
• 35:41
  Mercedes-Benz cars too. As as do we.
• 35:44
  Yeah, but you're. Tight with our friends at the
• 35:49
  classic center and all this. And what is it about, you know,
• 35:53
  these old Mercedes-Benz cars and, and specifically, what is
• 35:56
  it about those Bruno Sacco era cars that's so wonderful?
• 36:00
  They're so good. My one of my first cars in
• 36:06
  college was a 67 fintail and it just felt different from
• 36:12
  everything else. You know, it was my uncle's car.
• 36:15
  I bought it off of him. It needed a lot of work, but I
• 36:18
  got it going and I thought I was really hot stuff because I
• 36:22
  resurrected this car and it was dusty relic to this working
• 36:26
  machine. And I was driving it to a
• 36:28
  Christmas party And I, this is before I got the registration
• 36:32
  sorted out. So it had expired tags and I
• 36:34
  parked in an alley because I was 19.
• 36:37
  That's what you do. And I go, I'm going to a
• 36:42
  Christmas party, I'm going to buy a gift.
• 36:44
  And I, I look over my shoulders, I'm walking away from it as you
• 36:47
  should with any good looking car, except this one was on fire
• 36:50
  when I look back at it. So I, I mean, I had the story.
• 36:58
  My car's on fire and like, you know, nobody's showing up yet.
• 37:02
  So I put out the fire with my sweater and this.
• 37:08
  Just gets better. In my youthful naivete, I call
• 37:11
  911. I reported with that fire, but
• 37:14
  it's out now, so don't worry about it.
• 37:16
  You know, like, well, we're coming anyway.
• 37:17
  I'm like, well, I won't be here. I just I just see this vision of
• 37:23
  of massive swatting this, you know, this, this, I don't know
• 37:26
  this beautiful sweater, you know, at this, at this car and
• 37:28
  just. You know at this beautiful.
• 37:30
  Car, which is cool. Vision.
• 37:31
  Great, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it was, it
• 37:33
  was exciting. Classic car ownership is so
• 37:36
  exciting and but I still fell in love with the brand.
• 37:39
  I don't know what it was. I just got sucked in.
• 37:41
  And I've since owned, you know, many Mercedes Benzes.
• 37:45
  I've had AR1O7450SL and CLK430 S 400 SEL, so another Sacco, the
• 37:57
  sedan, and then I had AV12 coupe for a while because I'm really
• 38:03
  glutton for punishment. But that's a terrifying car to
• 38:05
  own. I love the car.
• 38:06
  It's probably one of the best cars I've ever owned.
• 38:09
  So over engineered, so revolutionary for its time.
• 38:13
  If you go on YouTube and search for a better half drive.
• 38:17
  Why does she hate the W 140 and but same thing the terrifying.
• 38:24
  One of the more scary moments was when I thought the engine
• 38:29
  was going to grenade itself because it started running
• 38:31
  really rich and smelled like gas and sounded like it was going to
• 38:35
  blow up. But Long story short, it was
• 38:38
  just the air intake until 1/2 of the cylinder banks.
• 38:40
  And what happened was the air rushing past the mass air flow
• 38:43
  sensor made it think that it was getting a lot of air because
• 38:47
  there's a hole in it. So it dumped a lot of fuel and
• 38:50
  flooded the engine. Easy fix.
• 38:52
  I think, OK, no problem. We'll just get one of those air
• 38:55
  intakes. My mechanic looks around and he
• 38:58
  finally finds what is literally one of the last ones in the
• 39:02
  United States, that specific part.
• 39:05
  And I'm like, OK, that's, that's worrisome.
• 39:08
  Can you just get the other one to make it, you know, so that
• 39:11
  they, because I know the other one's probably going to go
• 39:13
  through anyway that he goes no longer available.
• 39:16
  It's like just that that's the problem.
• 39:19
  You just get the one OK And you know little things like plastic
• 39:23
  parts like if they go out like I bought a new old stock third
• 39:28
  brake light housing on eBay, literally new old stock like in
• 39:32
  the in the factory box and I put it in and it falls apart again.
• 39:35
  It's just fact plastic. Great.
• 39:37
  So there is a company that will 3D print these things for you
• 39:41
  and I did that. But yeah, I mean, but how many
• 39:44
  fall backs do you have? You know, like how many lives?
• 39:47
  Can you do that? Yeah.
• 39:49
  Exactly, damn it if those cars just aren't wonderful.
• 39:52
  You know I drove A124 wagon for the first time in years recently
• 39:56
  and you just remember it just all comes back to you.
• 39:59
  And with those cars represented to me when I was a kid, I mean,
• 40:03
  we drove a Chrysler minivan. We had, you know a Volkswagen
• 40:06
  dasher. We didn't have that kind of car
• 40:08
  and the person who drove that kind of car was the kind of
• 40:10
  person I wanted to be someday, right?
• 40:12
  And you get in and there's. Visibility everywhere and they
• 40:14
  just there's a way they drive and a just AI don't know casual
• 40:18
  sort of it's like a you know, walk softly but carry a big
• 40:21
  stick, you know in a car you. Know they don't have anything to
• 40:24
  prove. Back then is it like, and I went
• 40:27
  back and read old reviews of of the W140 and C140 and it was
• 40:31
  like, you know, it was revered because I mean price adjusted to
• 40:36
  modern inflation. I mean, my car was modern times
• 40:40
  would be $275,000 new and so and there weren't that many ex car
• 40:47
  Expo cars that were that expensive back then.
• 40:48
  So it was a really big deal to have AV 12 Mercedes.
• 40:51
  It just meant something different, yeah.
• 40:53
  Yeah. What kind of power did that put
• 40:55
  out? It was. 380-9389 OK, well,
• 40:59
  that's a lot, yeah. It was all about the torque,
• 41:01
  though. Like it just, yeah, that started
• 41:03
  from the beginning. And just this huge plateau of
• 41:05
  torque. It just felt so effortless.
• 41:08
  And, you know, Rolls Royce has the whole wafting thing.
• 41:10
  Like, this is this is really that.
• 41:12
  This is this is wafty. Yeah, yeah, is.
• 41:14
  It the original waft. Yeah, so it's so effortless.
• 41:18
  Yeah, yeah, it's being a Rolls Royce.
• 41:20
  I love, I love the the idea of an iconic card, but on the
• 41:25
  engine. So the fact that there's still
• 41:27
  6.75 liters like at the old V eights and now the V12 is like
• 41:33
  it's a great archaic solution for the problem.
• 41:36
  Of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:38
  I mean, I remember the days when they didn't publish those
• 41:41
  numbers. Oh, yeah.
• 41:42
  But they said it was adequate, right?
• 41:45
  Or what was it? It was, yeah.
• 41:47
  That's pretty funny. Well, so you mentioned better
• 41:49
  half drive, which I wanted to ask you about because I love
• 41:51
  that your family, you know, joins you in the car hobby.
• 41:54
  So how like tell us a little bit about what that is and how that
• 41:58
  came about? The idea was you don't realize
• 42:04
  it, but you have these conversations all the time with
• 42:06
  your spouse. Like you don't realize it when
• 42:08
  you're having it, but then when you have a special car, the
• 42:12
  press alone that you only have for a week.
• 42:14
  And those ideas happened. We were just like, why don't we
• 42:17
  just put together like, why don't we get a cameras in here
• 42:20
  because we're talking about these cars.
• 42:22
  We have these cars, why don't we just do this?
• 42:25
  And it was amazing to me how many people came back and said,
• 42:29
  Oh my God, I have the exact same thing with my spouse.
• 42:32
  Like she thinks I drive too fast.
• 42:34
  She doesn't like our I love it. Like these friction points that
• 42:38
  are really actually pretty comical.
• 42:40
  I think the first one we did was a 9/11 turbo S and I showed her
• 42:45
  launch control which made her so uncomfortable.
• 42:51
  Like she hated it. Like she really just like no no,
• 42:54
  no, no, no please. Like even if the camera wasn't
• 42:57
  wrong, no don't do it. Don't do it.
• 43:00
  And I'm begging you. Wet paint do not touch What are
• 43:03
  you going to do? You just.
• 43:06
  We're compelled, yeah. Totally, totally so.
• 43:09
  It's you and your wife. It's a YouTube Siri.
• 43:11
  You put it on YouTube. Yeah, we put it on YouTube.
• 43:14
  We should do more of them, really.
• 43:15
  I mean, there's so much fun to do.
• 43:19
  But yeah, it's it's it's a fish out of water.
• 43:23
  And like usually she comes around so like, it's not a
• 43:27
  formula. This just happens naturally.
• 43:30
  Doesn't want to drive and she hates the concern about
• 43:34
  potentially damaging what is usually a very expensive car.
• 43:38
  We're in the driver's seat and she starts to drive she's like,
• 43:42
  oh, and then she starts to breathe and then she starts to
• 43:45
  go a little faster and then she feels a little more comfortable
• 43:48
  Oh wow Oh, you know this realization that it's just a car
• 43:53
  and it's it's manageable. I mean, thank God for technology
• 43:58
  because all these crazy high horsepower cars are actually
• 44:01
  pretty non intimidating unless you get to the outer edges,
• 44:06
  outer edges of its limits. And that's a whole other, you
• 44:09
  know, ball of life. But what we're doing is it's
• 44:12
  pretty marvelous. And it and it kind of just it it
• 44:15
  shows the joy of discovering something that was intimidating
• 44:20
  and realizing that it's it's really doable, you know.
• 44:24
  Yeah, yeah. Well, we know that you like old
• 44:28
  cars and you know that. But what excites you about a car
• 44:32
  in 2026? You know you've driven just
• 44:34
  about everything. Is there still like a magic to
• 44:36
  be found in the more pedestrian stuff?
• 44:38
  Or is there joy only in something like a 9/11 Turbo or a
• 44:41
  Bentley? It's across the board.
• 44:45
  It's out there. You don't have to spend a lot of
• 44:47
  money. And thank God they still make
• 44:49
  the Miata MX5 still lives, you know, the paragon of, of, of
• 44:54
  simple sports cars, you know, Jerry 86, all those, all those,
• 45:01
  all the lower end, you know, less expensive sports cars have
• 45:04
  the benefit of being lighter and not having the scope creep of
• 45:08
  having weight. That, and you end up having to
• 45:13
  put more horsepower into it to move the weight more easily.
• 45:16
  And then you have to vector the torque so it handles the corner.
• 45:18
  And then you have all these layers of complexity that can,
• 45:21
  that can frankly fall apart at the seams when you're driving
• 45:23
  really hard because simplicity rules at the end of the day.
• 45:28
  For a while, I, I was a North American car of the year, a
• 45:31
  juror, and I really loved getting access to everything
• 45:34
  across the board because it's really eye opening.
• 45:37
  I mean, there's a real trick and a art and a science to creating
• 45:43
  a, a simple reproducible car that doesn't break the bank and
• 45:46
  it works really well. And, you know, I kind of missed
• 45:50
  that. I actually recused myself from
• 45:52
  that because I started a production company, Chronoscope
• 45:55
  Productions, that does automotive marketing videos.
• 45:58
  And so yeah, it's a different kind of storytelling and it's,
• 46:02
  it's for the manufacturer. So it's, you know, it's kind of
• 46:07
  the opposite of journalism in a way.
• 46:09
  But in a way it's, it's not dissimilar because you're
• 46:12
  telling stories, you know, and, and hopefully every car has a
• 46:16
  story and you're, you're communicating that whatever it
• 46:19
  is. But you know, we've done brand
• 46:21
  videos. My wife is my producing partner.
• 46:23
  I directed she predicted and did a video for Bentley called
• 46:28
  Veneer Hunters about the selection of veneers, which they
• 46:31
  don't do very often. So the story of that told the
• 46:35
  story of the McLaren Elva and how it was inspired by the Elva
• 46:40
  race cars of the 60s and 70s and you know, can am racing and and
• 46:47
  all of that. We did a video for AGM talking
• 46:50
  about their home charging system and how you have a power outage.
• 46:56
  The house has got you because it has energy storage that comes
• 47:00
  from the car or it can come from the grid.
• 47:03
  And, you know, it's really just about the way these machines and
• 47:09
  pieces of technology fit into our lives in a way that's
• 47:12
  engaging. You know, like we.
• 47:15
  They can be such appliances or they can be so much fun.
• 47:18
  Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
• 47:22
  I love that because we are sort of like post performance in a
• 47:24
  lot of ways, right? So it does become about the
• 47:27
  story and what, what the differentiators are and all
• 47:29
  that. So no, I, I love that.
• 47:30
  And I guess that kind of leads me to my next question, not
• 47:33
  about your production company, but just about automotive
• 47:36
  journalism, I guess as as a whole.
• 47:39
  Let's talk about gatekeeping and automotive media, if we could
• 47:41
  for a second. You know, I'll raise my hand
• 47:44
  right now and say that I've certainly encountered it.
• 47:47
  And and while I do think that most folks who do what we do are
• 47:50
  kind of decent in some cases, you know, extraordinarily
• 47:52
  generous, it's a thing incidentally, you know, I give
• 47:56
  you a ton of credit and put you in that that ladder camp for for
• 47:59
  sure. But you know, what do you
• 48:02
  attribute this, this gatekeeping to?
• 48:04
  Is it a knee jerk reaction to like the shrinking editorial
• 48:07
  budgets, consolidating industry? Is there something more going
• 48:10
  on? I mean, you know, aren't there
• 48:12
  enough cookies for everyone or what?
• 48:14
  What is it? What's What is this all about?
• 48:16
  Human nature, I don't know, like greed, it's, it's, it's an
• 48:22
  instinct, you know, I think people have instinct towards it
• 48:24
  sometimes. Protective.
• 48:26
  It's protective. It's unfortunate because at the
• 48:29
  end of the day, we're all into the same thing.
• 48:33
  And you know, enthusiasm knows no boundaries.
• 48:37
  And, and I've seen, I mean, I've watched the industry change so
• 48:40
  much with, you know, the rise of YouTube personalities and, and
• 48:45
  people just literally grabbing a camera and, and making a life
• 48:48
  out of it. You know, it's, it's amazing
• 48:50
  actually. It's so great.
• 48:52
  So in a way it's democratized, but in another way, you know,
• 48:55
  some of the legacy organizations behave like legacy organizations
• 49:00
  for better or worse. So it's mixed back.
• 49:04
  One, so you've, I mean, you have seen so much change and I always
• 49:09
  like to ask people, you know, you've seen social media come
• 49:12
  into the automotive industry and like, how do you feel?
• 49:17
  Like how do you feel like it has impacted what you do personally
• 49:20
  and like how you've seen how it has changed the industry too?
• 49:24
  I mean, personally, and this is just my opinion, it's, it's a
• 49:27
  necessary evil. We all have to market ourselves.
• 49:30
  We always all have to be out there and you know, it's good
• 49:34
  and it's bad. I mean, it's efficient because I
• 49:37
  don't even think about it. And sometimes I'll post an
• 49:39
  Instagram story and three weeks later somebody just said, oh,
• 49:43
  yeah, you did that thing. And I'm like, how did you know?
• 49:45
  Oh, yeah, I shared it. That's right.
• 49:47
  It's such a become such a reflexive part of our being or
• 49:51
  better or worse that, you know, it just it's it's sort of an
• 49:57
  extension of us, you know, and I, I don't love that because I'm
• 50:02
  old school. I love being in the moment, you
• 50:04
  know, I love experience. I'm some experiencing something
• 50:07
  and not feeling like I have to capture it.
• 50:10
  And some of my best memories are, you know, the phone is
• 50:13
  away. I'm not right.
• 50:14
  Yeah, being. Present.
• 50:17
  Yeah, but but on the flip side, there's like an arms race for
• 50:21
  relevancy and everybody's trying to put themselves into that
• 50:24
  like, oh, I'm doing this, I'm doing that.
• 50:26
  I'm I'm on the ball. I'm, you know, I'm at all the
• 50:28
  right place, but yeah. Right.
• 50:33
  Well. It's really tiresome.
• 50:37
  And you, I mean, I think it adds an element because you're a,
• 50:40
  you're a writer, but you are also a photographer, which not
• 50:43
  everyone is. And I think people have had to
• 50:46
  become photographers with social media.
• 50:49
  But like you said, that can make it even more difficult to be
• 50:52
  present because your instinct is to be taking pictures anyway.
• 50:56
  For sure. And there is, you know, once you
• 50:58
  hold the phone up or you pick up your camera, it's a changes the
• 51:03
  dynamic. You know, there's a self
• 51:05
  consciousness and like, you know, like I, I had my phone
• 51:10
  stolen from me once when I was in Europe and, and living
• 51:13
  without a phone, of course, it was frustrating.
• 51:17
  And like you know, and then I I took my kids iPad and had to use
• 51:20
  it for e-mail and stuff. Like this is clunkier than I
• 51:24
  would have chosen, but. Yeah, I even took a few pictures
• 51:27
  with it. Like that was that was that I
• 51:29
  was back by, but it was laurating too.
• 51:32
  It was like, wow, you know, it's like a different world.
• 51:36
  I was a little bummed I was walking around like, Italy and
• 51:40
  not being able to, like, take pictures of things I thought
• 51:42
  were cool. But you know what?
• 51:44
  Like Netsam actually got more out of the experience than than
• 51:47
  not. Yeah.
• 51:47
  Yeah. Inadvertently going back to the
• 51:51
  days before cell phones. Like involuntarily I guess.
• 51:55
  I know so so wild. To bring it back to analog a
• 52:00
  little bit, you are now writing for Hodinky, if I'm not
• 52:02
  mistaken. And this is the wristwatch
• 52:05
  focused media platform that's really changed the landscape of
• 52:09
  the watch world since it came onto the scene.
• 52:11
  I've been a watch guy for a long time and as soon as they came
• 52:13
  along, it just, it changed everything as you as you know.
• 52:16
  So my first question is what's on your wrist right now?
• 52:18
  And I guess secondly, are you writing about watches or cars or
• 52:21
  sort of the natural intersection of the both or what are you
• 52:23
  doing for them? Ironically, I almost, I feel
• 52:26
  naked without a watch. But I just took a hot yoga class
• 52:30
  before I came to the office, and so I left the watch at home.
• 52:35
  I will stay. I love that Sheffield Nicole
• 52:39
  watch, by the way. The yellow, yellow watch.
• 52:41
  Yeah. Love that one.
• 52:43
  Thank you. My most prized watch possession
• 52:47
  is my father's Jaeger LA coach club that he gave me because I
• 52:53
  said, hey, can I have this? And he's the kind of guy that
• 52:56
  says sure, like no attachment, but it was it holds special
• 53:01
  significance for the family because when my parents were
• 53:05
  leaving Egypt, my dad left a little bit earlier and he went
• 53:09
  to London. Then my mom caught up with him
• 53:11
  six months later with me and she was in the duty free in the
• 53:15
  airport in Cairo and she said, I need to buy something that's
• 53:19
  momentous because we're this is a big life change and I want to
• 53:22
  sort of give it to my dad. And so I'm just watching gave it
• 53:27
  to him. So like that to me symbolizes
• 53:30
  that massive life shift and the chance that they took to live a
• 53:34
  better life and, and, and a huge change in our destiny.
• 53:38
  You know, so I love that watch and it's one of my prized
• 53:42
  possessions and. Objects having histories and
• 53:47
  stories, I mean, that's an incredible story, and to be the
• 53:50
  caretaker of that piece is incredible.
• 53:53
  Yeah, and then another one, my late, my late father in law's,
• 53:57
  he had a we didn't know he had this watch, but when he passed
• 53:59
  away in his night stand, we found a old dressy Girard Perego
• 54:07
  that it was just like, wow, I didn't know.
• 54:12
  He wasn't really a watch guy, but he grew up in an era when
• 54:14
  every man had to have a dress watch.
• 54:16
  So when you wore a suit and that black, you know, dress watch.
• 54:20
  And for me it was unusual because it was like it was sort
• 54:25
  of a a rare intersection of our tastes because like, you know,
• 54:29
  he was a he was an amazing guy, but like we didn't share a lot.
• 54:33
  Like he wasn't into cars and I, you know, like, but this watch I
• 54:38
  loved, I was like, I jump, wow, I got it.
• 54:41
  I did not see this coming. I know it was a it was a
• 54:45
  beautiful surprise. So yeah, they mean a lot.
• 54:47
  And and watches, I don't know, it's like they're you wear them
• 54:50
  on your body. They're they're always, you
• 54:52
  know, they're pressed against your wrist.
• 54:54
  And it's so intimate that like when it's a family generational
• 54:59
  heirloom like that, it means all the more because you think, oh,
• 55:02
  my dad wore this around his wrist for years.
• 55:04
  You know, it's just right. I have the watch that my
• 55:07
  grandfather got when he retired from a company that he had been
• 55:11
  at for, I think, 25 years. And at that point, you know,
• 55:15
  people stayed a long time and they were given a watch when
• 55:16
  they retired. And it doesn't even work.
• 55:19
  And I wear it for the same reason, because it's still an
• 55:21
  action to him. And it's, you know, family
• 55:24
  heirloom. And what's interesting about it
• 55:26
  is that it actually has pink. I mean, I think they're like
• 55:30
  rhinestones, but he was not a pink guy, so it's very funny
• 55:35
  that his watch has those on it. But I love pink, so it works
• 55:39
  out. I love.
• 55:40
  That amazing. What kind of watch is it?
• 55:42
  An acute. Accutronic, yes, yeah, yeah,
• 55:47
  very cool. Yeah, but yeah, I know what you
• 55:50
  mean. Like the the feeling of wearing
• 55:52
  a family heirloom like that is really cool.
• 55:55
  Yeah, I think as you get older too, just time takes on a
• 55:58
  completely different sort of relevance, right.
• 56:00
  And it's. Just a nice reminder.
• 56:02
  To get your ass in gear each day, right?
• 56:03
  I mean, it's just just something I never ever considered much as
• 56:07
  a younger person, right? Yeah, absolutely.
• 56:10
  And you know, anyone who loves mechanical things gets
• 56:13
  fascinated by the the dials and the the the portions and the
• 56:18
  style. But what's interesting to me is,
• 56:21
  you know, I mean, it's, it's a bit like cars, I guess, in that
• 56:25
  sometimes you think a car is going to fit you to a tee and
• 56:27
  then you get in and you're like, well, it's different.
• 56:30
  Like like the moonwalk, the Omega C, the moonwalk.
• 56:36
  I always thought I've got to have one of those.
• 56:37
  Like the, it's just the perfect watch, right?
• 56:39
  The chronographs, It's just iconic.
• 56:41
  It's, you know, Apollo missions and I put it on my wrist and I
• 56:44
  was like, oh, I don't, I don't know.
• 56:46
  It's not what I thought it would be.
• 56:47
  It just doesn't work with my wrist for some reason.
• 56:50
  Interesting, funny happens for sure.
• 56:52
  What about cars? Like what's the most bassem of
• 56:54
  cars right? Like you know, you know, new car
• 56:57
  maybe you could buy. New car, I mean, speaks to you.
• 57:00
  The 9/11 is still so annoyingly good.
• 57:02
  Like, yeah, yeah, it's, but they just, they, they, they keep
• 57:07
  nailing it. And you know, I'm in and out of
• 57:12
  a lot of stuff and just had a Ennio's Grenadier, which was
• 57:17
  fascinating to me because I don't feel like I need one in my
• 57:21
  life. But like, it really is an
• 57:25
  interesting car for me because I, I had a 92 Defender 200 TDI,
• 57:30
  so a diesel one that I bought in Italy.
• 57:33
  I drove over there and I imported it here and I drove it
• 57:36
  for a while over here. And it's in a way it's a
• 57:38
  spiritual successor to that because, you know, the guy tried
• 57:42
  to buy the factory got so he said, I'm just going to do it
• 57:46
  myself. And, and so it's an
• 57:52
  interpretation, you know, it's sort of like one man's version
• 57:55
  of a Defender and had a lot of fun with it, though it was
• 57:59
  really just wickedly good off road.
• 58:02
  I loved. Your video that you posted of
• 58:05
  going into, was it a river that you took it?
• 58:08
  Into Speaking of terrifying bad decisions, it came out fine, but
• 58:13
  I, I, it was in an off road park at hungry Valley and I thought,
• 58:17
  oh, this is sanitized. You know, it's not going to be
• 58:20
  too deep. It like water went over the hood
• 58:23
  like and it had no snorkels. So like I thought, oh, I could
• 58:28
  get stuck here. This could be really I could
• 58:30
  total this car. Between that and Stand by Me,
• 58:33
  where they've got the stick and they're poking ahead, you know?
• 58:36
  And and you know they drop. And then they're full of
• 58:38
  leeches. You know that's that's I can see
• 58:41
  you in a in an idios, though Grenadier.
• 58:43
  I I think they're so cool much in the same, you know way that a
• 58:45
  911 is cool, right. There's nothing else that looks
• 58:47
  like them. They're.
• 58:48
  So. Yeah, they're just the they.
• 58:50
  When you roll up in one, it says something about you, right?
• 58:53
  Or, and it's cool not even to say about you too, unlike,
• 58:56
  unlike 9 elevens in LA especially, they're not
• 58:59
  ubiquitous, which is, which is always special because I don't
• 59:03
  know, like some cars are great, but they're they're everywhere.
• 59:06
  And you think, you know, that I kind of like being my own
• 59:10
  person, you know, like, like everybody else is doing the same
• 59:16
  thing. I kind of won't be a rugged
• 59:17
  individualist or at least have the at least have the the
• 59:21
  illusion of it, you know, right? Well, something we talk about
• 59:25
  here a lot are defenders. I know we're all fans, and
• 59:29
  especially the Octa. And we were talking about
• 59:31
  writing about cars and watches, and you wrote an article for
• 59:35
  Chronic Caliber about getting to take the Octa on some roads in
• 59:40
  England. So I'd love to hear about that.
• 59:43
  And I thought it was interesting the way you wove the watches and
• 59:45
  the cars together in that article.
• 59:48
  But yeah, I'd love to hear about that European adventure.
• 59:51
  Well, thanks for reading I I always appreciate when somebody
• 59:55
  actually goes in and reads those pesky words.
• 59:58
  All the all. The effort that you put in.
• 1:00:02
  Yeah. I mean, my family and I have
• 1:00:04
  developed a little kind of tradition that we're trying to
• 1:00:07
  keep up every summer of working remotely at least a month
• 1:00:11
  somewhere in Europe, often Italy.
• 1:00:14
  Speaking of boringly predictable, I've challenged my
• 1:00:17
  wife to break that habit and she was really good.
• 1:00:20
  One summer we did. We started in Palermo, but then
• 1:00:24
  we went down to Sevilla and then Morocco.
• 1:00:28
  But last summer was England and it was an incredible opportunity
• 1:00:33
  to reach out to British car manufacturers and say, you know,
• 1:00:36
  hey, I'm going to be here for a month, like, can I drive some of
• 1:00:38
  your stuff? And so Land Rover provided
• 1:00:44
  Defender, Okta Bentley provided A Bentega and I flew to Munich
• 1:00:52
  for another trip that I had. I had to go to Bugatti and
• 1:00:54
  Mosheim. So flew to Munich and Rolls
• 1:00:57
  Royce provided a Ghost, so I had an.
• 1:01:00
  Amazing color if I do. Say so.
• 1:01:02
  Yeah, this blue. Stunning.
• 1:01:05
  Incredible blue. And the Germans, especially
• 1:01:09
  outside of the cities, are pretty staid, so talk about
• 1:01:13
  making waves. Their eyes were saucers.
• 1:01:16
  You know 'cause. It's at least in the pictures.
• 1:01:18
  It's like a bright periwinkle. Oh, you exactly.
• 1:01:21
  I just see that. Yeah, yeah, it's an incredible
• 1:01:24
  color. And so all these all these
• 1:01:28
  sensible Germans driving around in their golfs and they're
• 1:01:30
  they're they're, you know, they're small German sub
• 1:01:33
  compacts. And this ghost is doing 155 on
• 1:01:37
  the Audubon. Like amazing, incredible.
• 1:01:42
  And it feels like you're doing nothing.
• 1:01:43
  I mean, that car is so isolated. You really just feel like, you
• 1:01:47
  know, every once in a while you get the RS6 savant behind you
• 1:01:50
  flashing here. OK, go ahead, go, go do your 175
• 1:01:53
  or you got ended. But yeah, driving.
• 1:01:57
  So driving cars in in England is especially interesting because,
• 1:02:01
  you know, the infrastructure is so old and it's built sometimes
• 1:02:05
  hundreds of years ago. These these late tiny and cars
• 1:02:08
  are now really like super sized for the American market, which
• 1:02:12
  is kind of led to a global trend of being bigger than they need
• 1:02:15
  to be. And the defender feels really
• 1:02:18
  big there. And the Octa is wider and it's
• 1:02:21
  got huge tires and everything. So, you know, I find myself
• 1:02:25
  like, OK, I'm that guy, you know, everyone's talking their
• 1:02:29
  cute little Vox Falls and and Opal.
• 1:02:34
  Yeah. I mean, I I love the brand.
• 1:02:37
  I just wish the Octa was a little more like a little more
• 1:02:42
  brash, a little more like Jane. Like, I think visually it could
• 1:02:49
  stand a little more contrast. I think.
• 1:02:51
  Yeah, it is wide. But if there was a way to
• 1:02:54
  accentuate it, you know, like, like, look at the look at the
• 1:02:56
  Raptor like that. That looks like a mean truck.
• 1:03:00
  You know immediately that. It's weirdly refrain when you
• 1:03:05
  compare the refrain, when you compare the tooth off road, it's
• 1:03:09
  incredible. I mean, it drove it off road in
• 1:03:11
  South Africa and it was. Right.
• 1:03:14
  What was the launch like? Remarkable they do the best
• 1:03:18
  launches. I got to say I drove the OG the
• 1:03:22
  my last launch before the pandemic hit was the the
• 1:03:25
  defender, the new refresh, the brand new in Namibia and it was
• 1:03:31
  epic. I mean you know I blew out tires
• 1:03:35
  we got stuck. You know we did sand we did
• 1:03:38
  river crossings, we did so much cool stuff and saw all this
• 1:03:41
  wildlife and it was a true adventure.
• 1:03:44
  You know, they get to get these retired Camel Trophy guys and
• 1:03:47
  they like how how they're going to really test the cars or show
• 1:03:52
  us how the we can, how the cars hold up.
• 1:03:55
  And you know, there's always the other half of what I do, which
• 1:03:58
  is like, yeah, I get all the fun.
• 1:04:00
  Like, Oh yeah, like, look, it's a dream job.
• 1:04:02
  And then when you talk to somebody who's owned the car,
• 1:04:05
  then you get the true story of what it's actually like to own
• 1:04:08
  it. And sometimes it's not great.
• 1:04:12
  Yeah, the jokes are or the cliches are there because
• 1:04:15
  they're true. I mean, you know.
• 1:04:19
  I don't care. No, they're great, honestly,
• 1:04:22
  like the fact that the fact that over the air over the air
• 1:04:26
  updates exist now has changed the game for reliability and
• 1:04:29
  being able to fix things because before take it back to the
• 1:04:33
  dealership, have them repro computer that's trying to talk
• 1:04:35
  to the 5000 other computers. And you know, that's kind of the
• 1:04:39
  interesting thing about NES jumping back to it is like their
• 1:04:42
  whole philosophy is reductionist.
• 1:04:43
  So like the average car has like 150 ECU's and they have like 38
• 1:04:49
  and. Really know that?
• 1:04:50
  Wow. OK, yeah, so they, they, they
• 1:04:52
  really tried term it down and they've still been problematic.
• 1:04:55
  I mean, they still have their issues.
• 1:04:58
  My buddy Matthew Scott will wax poetic about his Grenadier
• 1:05:02
  having a lot of issues because he's finally gotten rid of it or
• 1:05:05
  he's getting rid of it. And, you know, he struggled.
• 1:05:07
  He did some things, you know, he lifted at an inch and 1/2 which
• 1:05:11
  which might have had something to do with the front driveline,
• 1:05:13
  not and the axle's not not lasting very long.
• 1:05:17
  But you know, and he's probably a not the average use case
• 1:05:22
  scenario. He's he's a power user, but
• 1:05:25
  every car has its its teething panes when they're new.
• 1:05:29
  Like build with impressive complex thing from scratch,
• 1:05:34
  thing is bound to need attention and and and fixing and and
• 1:05:38
  refinement. We're living in a golden age of
• 1:05:42
  options, right, for cars. I mean, we are so fortunate that
• 1:05:45
  cars like that exist, right? Much less Morgan still or you
• 1:05:49
  know, I mean, did all these super cars, these hyper cars,
• 1:05:53
  you know, the Nilu, you know, I mean, it's just like it's a
• 1:05:56
  spoil of riches if you're into cars.
• 1:05:58
  And speaking for them. Speaking of riches.
• 1:06:01
  I Speaking of, I just forgot that I drove a Morgan in the UK
• 1:06:04
  too. Did you OK?
• 1:06:06
  I wondered. Yeah.
• 1:06:07
  That's for talk about a perfect car for the location and I
• 1:06:10
  thought everyone would be jaded and like, you know, it's driving
• 1:06:12
  like a Chevy here in the US No, everyone you know, like it was
• 1:06:17
  it was neat. That's.
• 1:06:18
  Awesome. Well, are you a?
• 1:06:20
  No, we, we bumped into you at, at at Motolux this year and, you
• 1:06:25
  know, it was a little rain that night and saw, saw Morgan the
• 1:06:28
  new one and hadn't seen it. Went over and started talking to
• 1:06:31
  the guy who was wiping the rain off.
• 1:06:32
  Well, it was the CEO, you know, I mean, it's just, that's the
• 1:06:35
  kind of I love that it is. And yeah, and it's everything.
• 1:06:38
  You can't again, you can't, you can't, you know, you can't
• 1:06:40
  synthesize that, right? Like that is the real deal.
• 1:06:43
  And I just, I love everything about that company.
• 1:06:46
  So yeah. That's more of that and they've
• 1:06:49
  had years to develop and refine and yet they're still got to
• 1:06:52
  innovate because regulations and everything but and and and
• 1:06:57
  that's the thing they have in common with any of us is that
• 1:06:59
  BMW drivetrain, you know that that familiar shifter just being
• 1:07:03
  transferred. They get a different shifter.
• 1:07:05
  They're. Just eventually all of your
• 1:07:09
  BMWs. I know 8 speed is a great
• 1:07:12
  gearbox, you know? Yeah.
• 1:07:15
  It's like we need something different.
• 1:07:17
  Yeah, it's the first thing I see too when I get there.
• 1:07:22
  But it's a hard business, man. It's so hard to just like it's
• 1:07:26
  become easier to stand out, but it's still harder, you know, and
• 1:07:29
  like the, the you kind of really want a car to go and spend what
• 1:07:34
  it costs to buy a new car. Now the average cost is 50K and
• 1:07:38
  you know, always goes there and then it's obsolete in three
• 1:07:41
  years and it's half appreciated. And you know, it doesn't make a
• 1:07:44
  whole lot of logical sense, but we're Moss to the flame and we
• 1:07:47
  just keep this this cycle going because we love it.
• 1:07:50
  Unless unless you have a Cobra 2289, which why didn't.
• 1:07:54
  I. Mean. 73 Bronco and that that's
• 1:07:58
  the two course. It is.
• 1:08:00
  That's the ideal. I could absolutely make that
• 1:08:03
  work as my 2 car garage for sure.
• 1:08:05
  Well, so that is I love to ask people like what is if you could
• 1:08:08
  create your ultimate 2 car garage because we all talk about
• 1:08:11
  what's the two car solution? So what's Basm's two car
• 1:08:14
  solution? I had it for a fleeting moment.
• 1:08:17
  I mean, my problem is like I'm trying to cycle through all the
• 1:08:20
  cars that I want to own. So I can't.
• 1:08:21
  I'm not like Jay Leno. I can't have everything.
• 1:08:24
  Yeah, you can't just keep adding.
• 1:08:26
  I had AI had the the 63 Rover, which I still have and I'll
• 1:08:30
  probably never get rid of. But I had the 993 at the same
• 1:08:32
  time and like they were just like peas in the pod, you know,
• 1:08:38
  little sporty car, not blindingly fast, but really
• 1:08:41
  entertaining to drive and you know, kept you like kept you
• 1:08:45
  insulated if it rained and did all the things that a car should
• 1:08:47
  do. And then the silly always open
• 1:08:50
  air truck that leaks like a sieve.
• 1:08:52
  But it's so fun to drive and go off road.
• 1:08:55
  That to me was a good two car solution.
• 1:08:57
  Yeah, you've covered all the bases.
• 1:08:58
  That's. A very good solution.
• 1:09:01
  You're a grip. Oh gosh.
• 1:09:04
  Well, I think I said so someone asked me this the other day.
• 1:09:06
  Maybe it was you, Lindsay and I, I think I went with I, I've got
• 1:09:10
  one, I've got AGT 4 Porsche that I I will keep forever because
• 1:09:14
  it's just a wonderful thing. But I've always wanted, I've
• 1:09:17
  never had a gondevag and I I want one, maybe a vintage one.
• 1:09:21
  I really want a 2 door. If I had those two cars, that
• 1:09:25
  would be all I would ever, ever need.
• 1:09:27
  And I. You can tell I.
• 1:09:28
  Remember what you said? What did you say?
• 1:09:30
  So it was a defender Octa. OK.
• 1:09:33
  And then I know I'm trying to remember because I picked it was
• 1:09:37
  either the GT4 or it was a Cobra.
• 1:09:40
  It was something smaller, yeah, but fun because I could that
• 1:09:45
  covered like all the bases and then some.
• 1:09:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's something to that, like
• 1:09:50
  sports car, you know, SUV, you know?
• 1:09:53
  Yeah, I mean, it does. It covers all the bases, right?
• 1:09:55
  Well, and especially if you have like AG Wagon or a defender, you
• 1:09:58
  know, especially an Octa, you can go off roading if you want
• 1:10:01
  to too, and you can take your family.
• 1:10:03
  Yeah. Open top you.
• 1:10:04
  Know all the things? Yeah.
• 1:10:06
  Well, Speaking of the classic G wagon, I mean, Mercedes made the
• 1:10:08
  great mistake of when they launched, they relaunched the G
• 1:10:11
  wagon in 2018. I guess it was we go to the
• 1:10:14
  South of France and they have this massive off roading
• 1:10:17
  development area that we get to drive.
• 1:10:19
  They give you the classic cars to drive and you just fall in
• 1:10:23
  love with the classics. And you know, every time a car
• 1:10:26
  maker does that, it's like, oh, I'd like I can I just drive
• 1:10:29
  this? I'll.
• 1:10:30
  Just. The new one's great, though.
• 1:10:32
  But like, you know, like Volkswagen did this thing where
• 1:10:34
  we took ID fours out into the desert, but they also took Baja
• 1:10:38
  buggies. Yeah.
• 1:10:41
  I mean, there's no question what's going to be the favorite
• 1:10:43
  there. Come on, like you want to drive
• 1:10:46
  the toaster? Or do you want to drive the?
• 1:10:49
  Adventure machine, right? They forgot they were dealing
• 1:10:51
  with car people who are going. To be like this is.
• 1:10:53
  Much more engaging. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:56
  You realize the layers of insulation, right, that have
• 1:10:58
  been added, you know, the cars over the years between, you
• 1:11:01
  know, you and you know, in the powertrain and all that and it's
• 1:11:04
  just there's no question. And the boldness, though, also
• 1:11:07
  like the layers that lack, you know, like you think about like,
• 1:11:10
  Oh well, if I eat it, I'm just going to go right through the
• 1:11:13
  windshield. I mean, I did the Amelia without
• 1:11:16
  seatbelts. And trust me, a few times I
• 1:11:18
  thought this could end very, very poorly if the wrong thing
• 1:11:22
  happens. That's the whole analog of like,
• 1:11:25
  you know, professional football, right?
• 1:11:26
  Like as the helmets got more protective, the brain injuries,
• 1:11:30
  you know, got greater, right? Because you feel protected, you
• 1:11:32
  do more, you take more chances, right?
• 1:11:34
  It's that same. So true.
• 1:11:35
  Like self preservation? Like what A.
• 1:11:37
  Violence to do that, right to do that.
• 1:11:41
  Rock on wood motorcycle and you know.
• 1:11:44
  We didn't even scratch that surface I guess, you know, crack
• 1:11:48
  that nut the whole bike so. Tell us about this.
• 1:11:51
  Brough Superior S S 100. This is the the motorcycle, the
• 1:11:56
  type of motorcycle that Lawrence of Arabia famously saw his met
• 1:12:00
  his maker on that sad story there, but amazing bike.
• 1:12:05
  And I just I love the purity of motorcycles.
• 1:12:07
  It's like you and your surroundings and a machine and
• 1:12:11
  like you're just passing through space and just the air covers
• 1:12:15
  you, bathes you. It's it's so incredible.
• 1:12:18
  They're so great. And there's no, there's no
• 1:12:20
  filter. You know, there's like, yeah,
• 1:12:22
  they have electronics, but they're easy to turn off and
• 1:12:24
  they're not intrusive anyway. And, you know, you just, you
• 1:12:29
  cannot be on your phone. You can't be distracted.
• 1:12:32
  You know, you can't be distracted, but it's a bad idea.
• 1:12:34
  Yeah, right. It would not be.
• 1:12:36
  Recommended. And yeah, and every time you
• 1:12:38
  arrive safely, you feel like you've earned something.
• 1:12:40
  Like you. I made it.
• 1:12:43
  Especially in LA traffic. You're like, She did death
• 1:12:45
  again. Well.
• 1:12:47
  I really admire. I think the last time I saw you
• 1:12:50
  up at Newcomb's, you had ridden a motorcycle up Angela's Crest
• 1:12:54
  and I remember just being sort of awed by that because that is
• 1:12:58
  a that is an interesting proposition because.
• 1:13:01
  That is a driving Rd. When you think the ice has
• 1:13:05
  melted, sometimes it hasn't melted in in the shadowy
• 1:13:08
  corners, you know? So, yeah, one time I took a
• 1:13:12
  Harley up there and I will never do it in cold weather again
• 1:13:16
  because I just had a moment and I was fine.
• 1:13:19
  But it'll, you know, it's scares you.
• 1:13:22
  Yeah, it's. Hard to beat, you know, the cool
• 1:13:23
  factor of just riding up to some place and getting off a bike,
• 1:13:27
  right? You know, the weathers and
• 1:13:28
  everything. I mean, that's pretty hard to
• 1:13:29
  be, I think, you know, in a way every car is kind of chasing
• 1:13:31
  that ideal, right? It's, it's, it's the best thing.
• 1:13:35
  How old is too old to get into bikes?
• 1:13:37
  I'm 50I. My experience is very limited,
• 1:13:39
  but I I've always loved the idea.
• 1:13:41
  Never too old, but take a course, don't try to learn it
• 1:13:45
  yourself. Like go to go to a motorcycle
• 1:13:48
  safety foundation course or something like that.
• 1:13:50
  There's a lot of stuff you don't know, you don't know and you
• 1:13:54
  know, you grab the front brake too aggressively.
• 1:13:56
  You're going to, if you're going to go down corner, you know,
• 1:13:59
  there's little things like that. You grab too much rear brake,
• 1:14:01
  you'll have the same problem. But that's the beauty of it too,
• 1:14:05
  is you're so involved with the dynamics of the vehicle, like
• 1:14:08
  you're thinking of the contact patches, these two small contact
• 1:14:12
  patches, having so much power over what, where it's going and
• 1:14:16
  what you're doing in your lean angle.
• 1:14:18
  And are you breaking front or rear?
• 1:14:21
  You know, throttle becomes really critical because if you
• 1:14:23
  just give it a little too much, you go a little too wide, then
• 1:14:26
  that's a totally different path. You don't have the luxury of
• 1:14:29
  sliding around like you do in a car to earn limits.
• 1:14:33
  It's such a great thing now. Yeah.
• 1:14:35
  What's your bike of choice like? What's your go to?
• 1:14:38
  My prized possession. I have a 2001 Ducati Mike
• 1:14:43
  Halewood. So it's AMH 900 E Really catchy
• 1:14:46
  name, but it was a tribute bike to the Isle of Man TT comeback
• 1:14:50
  bike Atwood Rd. in the 78. But it's very modern.
• 1:14:54
  It's very wonky looking. It's so good looking.
• 1:14:57
  It's so good looking. I love design.
• 1:14:59
  And then my 2 bike solution is that I have that and then I have
• 1:15:03
  a Vespa, big bore Vespa that's 300 and I can just, it's so fun
• 1:15:10
  to hop on that for local trips and I kid loves to get dropped
• 1:15:13
  off to school in it. He's like that.
• 1:15:15
  It's not going to last forever because he's getting tall, but
• 1:15:18
  like he's the cool kid when he gets pulls up on a scooter,
• 1:15:21
  believe it or not. You're the cool dad, you know.
• 1:15:24
  I mean, yeah, you know, everybody.
• 1:15:25
  Well, yeah, behind the helmet, anyone can look cool.
• 1:15:28
  Great cosplay. That's why I.
• 1:15:32
  Keep insisting we take the Vespa.
• 1:15:35
  And then like I think. My daughter wish I would have a
• 1:15:37
  helmet sometimes when I dropped her off at school, but you know
• 1:15:40
  that's in a car so. But I've taken him on on
• 1:15:44
  motorcycles once or twice, and he was like, like, just had
• 1:15:47
  this, like, Daddy, can I ride a motorcycle?
• 1:15:51
  I'm like, let's let's just take this one step at a time.
• 1:15:56
  Let's not dive too far in. Like, let's get you focused
• 1:15:59
  first, yeah? Right, like when you are much,
• 1:16:01
  much older. Do as I say, not as I do.
• 1:16:04
  Yeah, exactly. Bring this back to cars again.
• 1:16:08
  So we had, do you know John Wiley from Haggerty?
• 1:16:10
  He's the guy that puts together this annual bull market list and
• 1:16:15
  it's gotten a lot of traction lately.
• 1:16:16
  And I just, I love the concept. And so ever since he's been on
• 1:16:19
  the show, we've asked our guests what your own bull market list.
• 1:16:24
  We've been calling it the bullshit market list, right,
• 1:16:26
  Because we don't want any copyright infringement.
• 1:16:29
  So these are the cars that you think will go up most in value
• 1:16:32
  over the next year. So if you were to pick two or
• 1:16:35
  three cars, what would be on your bullshit market list?
• 1:16:39
  Gosh, that's a really tough one because I feel like it's getting
• 1:16:44
  harder and harder to unearth these hidden gems that that have
• 1:16:49
  yet to be discovered. Like I was really big on the
• 1:16:53
  three OA GT4 Ferrari Dino before it went crazy and it I mean.
• 1:17:00
  Before everybody else was. Yeah, it didn't go like three O
• 1:17:03
  8 crazy, but you know, like all of a sudden it became a thing.
• 1:17:06
  I was like I knew it. I still have hope in the Bentley
• 1:17:10
  turbo RI think that's just like a you know, Matt fair is not
• 1:17:16
  helping like he gave it a lot of hype a lot.
• 1:17:18
  So I think that lifted the waters a little bit, but I think
• 1:17:23
  more room to go. Similarly, Continental R,
• 1:17:28
  Continental T, they're a little pricier, but they're really
• 1:17:30
  special cars. Those Bentleys from the 90s are
• 1:17:32
  really special, criminally, criminally affordable right now
• 1:17:38
  and have been for a long time. And I don't even know if there
• 1:17:41
  will rise anytime soon, but Cadillac Alantes are like, it's
• 1:17:45
  a neat car, like pin Infarina bodies.
• 1:17:49
  They commissioned like 4 or 5740 sevens just to shuttle them back
• 1:17:53
  and forth to Detroit. So they went from Turin, they
• 1:17:57
  took the bodies, the completed bodies, stacked them into 740
• 1:18:00
  sevens, flew them to Detroit, and then flew those 740 sevens
• 1:18:04
  back with the, the the chassis back to Turin.
• 1:18:09
  Like cost no object, right? Yep, Yep.
• 1:18:12
  Just a bizarre. Story, right?
• 1:18:15
  Yeah, at least it's got a neat story.
• 1:18:17
  I mean, yeah, it looks, it looks a little dated, but it also
• 1:18:20
  looks kind of cool too. And the right colour.
• 1:18:22
  I I've always had a soft spot for them.
• 1:18:24
  Yeah, they're they're they're interesting cars.
• 1:18:27
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they got lumped in with
• 1:18:30
  like the Maserati, Chrysler, TC, whatever, you know, for a long
• 1:18:33
  time. And even though they were, they
• 1:18:34
  were much those are. Unequipped.
• 1:18:37
  The. Opera window those.
• 1:18:39
  Are not on my list. Yeah.
• 1:18:42
  But the Alante, I am so glad to hear you say that that is, you
• 1:18:45
  know, all, all four I think are great answers and especially
• 1:18:48
  that last one. Alante is, is, yeah, I think
• 1:18:50
  it's I think it's time has has come, right.
• 1:18:52
  Yeah, and then like, and maybe this is on my brain because I'm
• 1:18:56
  helping a family friend sell his, but first Gen.
• 1:19:00
  AMG GT really criminally undervalued.
• 1:19:05
  Absolutely. What it's worth, and he knows
• 1:19:08
  what he paid for it and he's like, that's all it's worth
• 1:19:11
  really. I think it's a much more
• 1:19:14
  interesting car than the one that came after it.
• 1:19:16
  I really do. It's, it's really, I think it's
• 1:19:18
  a much more interesting car than the one that came after.
• 1:19:21
  Oh yeah, engineering wise, I mean like they, they tried to
• 1:19:25
  broaden the market so they added rear seat, got rid of the
• 1:19:28
  transaxle and they made it bigger and heavier and then they
• 1:19:31
  put a battery in and all of a sudden it's, you know, it's a
• 1:19:33
  very different animal. It's still a great driver.
• 1:19:36
  The new, the performance is like whoa.
• 1:19:39
  Like it's it's surprisingly good for its weight.
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  I mean, part of that, you know, the trickery of of technology,
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  but there's a purity to the the first Gen.
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  Car is, it's like it was really a disciplined approach to try to
• 1:19:54
  out out 911 the 9/11. Yes, but yeah, it's a very
• 1:19:59
  different car to drive and you feel different behind the wheel.
• 1:20:02
  You've got the long hood. You drive in a different way and
• 1:20:05
  I love. That the Porsche that makes it
• 1:20:07
  feel completely different. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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  You're right. Like it kind of looked like it
• 1:20:12
  when it came out, but then when you drive it, you're like, Oh
• 1:20:14
  yeah, no, it's, it's different, yeah.
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  No great answers. You know your stuff, obviously
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  you know those are those are the answers of someone who really
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  knows so. I'm just trying.
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  We're all just trying. We all are.
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  We all are. I know we're at an hour and 20
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  minutes. We probably need to wrap this
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  up. Be respectful of your time,
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  Abasim, but we're going to try something a little different
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  tonight, if that's OK. Five quick rapid fire questions
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  for you. Just shout out the first thing
• 1:20:40
  that comes to mind for each, OK? OK.
• 1:20:42
  So Bass and WASA if you've done it all and then some, Which car
• 1:20:46
  company puts on the best destination press event?
• 1:20:50
  Best destination press events are a tie between Mercedes-Benz
• 1:20:56
  and Land Rover. Land Rover chooses the most
• 1:21:01
  amazing off road destinations that you could dream of, you
• 1:21:05
  know, bucket list like Skelton coast of Namibia.
• 1:21:09
  You can relive your camel trophy fantasies and you know, you
• 1:21:14
  could be be that true adventurer who may or may not be able to
• 1:21:19
  bring the car back in one piece. Yeah, yeah.
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  Mercedes just their execution is always flawless.
• 1:21:25
  They always just do such, such epic aspirational trips.
• 1:21:31
  You know, if you want to spend the night on a yacht and Ibiza,
• 1:21:34
  like they have you covered, you know, if you want to drive on a
• 1:21:38
  racetrack and the drive on the autobahn and then sleep in a
• 1:21:41
  castle, you know, they figured out a way to yeah, they they
• 1:21:46
  have been at this game long enough where that they started
• 1:21:49
  when cost was no object. And obviously the industry is
• 1:21:52
  contracted and people aren't spending what they used to on
• 1:21:55
  these kinds of things, but they they do their best to stick to
• 1:21:58
  that lavish formula of of like blowing your mind.
• 1:22:02
  I love it. I love it.
• 1:22:03
  OK, one more three-way tie. Yeah.
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  Please. The international Rolls Royce
• 1:22:09
  programs are incredible, I've got to say.
• 1:22:12
  Like. Oh, I bet.
• 1:22:16
  Yeah. I mean, that's great.
• 1:22:17
  There's stateside stuff, a little more anonymous, but like
• 1:22:21
  when they go international for the global launches, pretty top
• 1:22:24
  notch. OK.
• 1:22:25
  All right, Lindsay, you and I need to get on all three of
• 1:22:28
  those lists. OK, moving on.
• 1:22:32
  Cost no object. What's the one car, new or old,
• 1:22:36
  that you'd buy tomorrow? New or old?
• 1:22:40
  Well, for going old, I mean, the no brainer is McLaren F1.
• 1:22:43
  It's OK, yeah, let's talk about a car that I wish I could have
• 1:22:46
  like called the values on back in the day, but.
• 1:22:50
  That had been on your BS market list.
• 1:22:52
  Yeah, I mean, there's a story about about Weiner, Bruce
• 1:22:57
  Weiner, who was the micro car collector who had.
• 1:23:01
  Met him? Yeah, down in Georgia.
• 1:23:03
  Yeah, I stumbled upon his museum.
• 1:23:05
  I was driving back when I had a 9/11 SC and I was driving it
• 1:23:10
  while waiting for my wife to finish working on a movie.
• 1:23:12
  And I was literally man of leisure driving my car.
• 1:23:14
  That was not valuable back then. And I pulled over and I
• 1:23:19
  introduced myself to him and he gave me a tour and I ended up
• 1:23:21
  writing about it. But he had a McLaren F1 and was
• 1:23:27
  disappointed that it cost so much to keep up even when he
• 1:23:30
  didn't drive it. And why am I spending fifty KA
• 1:23:34
  year on this car even if I don't drive it, because everything
• 1:23:37
  times out on it and he sold it so early.
• 1:23:40
  Like, you know, you could get them for under 1,000,000 back in
• 1:23:43
  the day and now the rest is history.
• 1:23:46
  But it's not about the fact that worth 2025 million.
• 1:23:49
  It's about the fact best car ever made.
• 1:23:50
  I mean that I would, you know, I just want to drive one like I
• 1:23:54
  just want to drive on a block. We all, we all do I'm not.
• 1:23:58
  Asking much? Yeah, I'm a simple man.
• 1:24:04
  And it's funny about that microcar museum.
• 1:24:06
  We drove down from Chicago, a buddy and me, to see it on the
• 1:24:09
  last day that it was open before it closed.
• 1:24:11
  We also. Remember saw the Georgia
• 1:24:13
  Guidestones that day. If you know what those are,
• 1:24:15
  neither 1 you know exists any longer.
• 1:24:18
  So that was a fun day. But that was an amazing treasure
• 1:24:22
  trove of of these micro cars and had I known about the F1 I would
• 1:24:26
  have hung out a little longer I guess.
• 1:24:28
  But that's, well, honey driven 1.
• 1:24:30
  I asked him like you ever like he was telling me like he'd like
• 1:24:33
  one time the the featured market at Pebble Beach was was one of
• 1:24:37
  his micro car brands. I can't remember 1.
• 1:24:39
  So he took it and it made me ask him like do other collectors
• 1:24:43
  ever give you crap about because I didn't see if any of his
• 1:24:46
  exotic cars, but he's like, do they ever give you crap about
• 1:24:48
  your micro cars? He goes, well, I mean I've got
• 1:24:52
  an Enzo, I've got an F1 and I've got a blah, blah, blah.
• 1:24:56
  So not really. I stand corrected.
• 1:25:00
  They know not to trifle with me. Good.
• 1:25:03
  Good answer. I recall he had it was the
• 1:25:05
  double bubble. Dumb fortune right?
• 1:25:08
  Wasn't. That yeah, exactly.
• 1:25:10
  Which is just. You wonder how people make their
• 1:25:12
  money or end up with their money.
• 1:25:13
  That was interesting. OK, moving on.
• 1:25:15
  Because these are rapid fire. What's one thing about you that
• 1:25:19
  would surprise us? One thing about me that would
• 1:25:23
  surprise you. Is no pressure.
• 1:25:27
  Yeah, that's, that's an interesting one.
• 1:25:29
  That's a good think about this for a second.
• 1:25:31
  Are you going to edit this later?
• 1:25:32
  Yeah. Absolutely.
• 1:25:33
  You can also just make something up like you know, your
• 1:25:35
  professional curler or something that we've right now, right?
• 1:25:40
  Oh gosh, what was speaking? Of chewing gum.
• 1:25:42
  I have an amazing collection. Right here under the desk.
• 1:25:51
  We can. We can skip that one.
• 1:25:54
  Let me, let me have a moment. Yeah, I might come circle back
• 1:25:59
  to that. One.
• 1:25:59
  OK, OK, so you said you are a big music guy.
• 1:26:03
  What? What's your poison like?
• 1:26:05
  What? What are you into?
• 1:26:06
  Is it the stuff from when you were younger?
• 1:26:09
  Is there new stuff you like? What's what would you be
• 1:26:12
  listening to? I have super eclectic tastes.
• 1:26:16
  It's like I grew up listening to Sting the police.
• 1:26:23
  Peter Gabriel, Like the funky 70s Peter Gabriel, Not the yeah
• 1:26:27
  yeah yeah yeah and and and Jennifer stuff.
• 1:26:29
  Without Frontiers. And Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I grew
• 1:26:34
  up on that. I love a good concert
• 1:26:36
  experience. And for that reason, like I saw
• 1:26:41
  Sting Peter Gabriel show and and they're both great, but Sting is
• 1:26:45
  really just such a great, engaging performer.
• 1:26:49
  Didn't get too much into the 90s stuff, but like, you know, I
• 1:26:52
  liked seal back in the day and Dave Matthews has been a
• 1:26:58
  mainstay. Like it's such a experience to
• 1:27:01
  see him live and he just continues to deliver.
• 1:27:05
  He's so good their. Shows are good even if you
• 1:27:07
  don't. I mean who wouldn't like the
• 1:27:10
  music? But even if you don't like their
• 1:27:11
  music going in, the show is so good I think you come out a fan
• 1:27:15
  anyway. Yeah.
• 1:27:16
  And you know, my, it's funny because in college, one of the
• 1:27:19
  first tours, my buddy said, come see Dave Matthews with me.
• 1:27:23
  And I said, oh, I heard him on the radio.
• 1:27:24
  I'm not crazy about him, but, you know, give it a shot.
• 1:27:27
  And when we went, it was like under the table and dreaming.
• 1:27:29
  It was like that that early. It was so good.
• 1:27:33
  I was like, damn, I was going to miss this.
• 1:27:35
  And. That was my experience too.
• 1:27:37
  Like I knew a few of the songs, but I was certainly not like,
• 1:27:41
  wouldn't have gone to the effort to go to a concert.
• 1:27:43
  And I got invited and came out just going well.
• 1:27:47
  I'm a fan for life now. Yeah, and you know, some bands
• 1:27:50
  it's it's like happens happens to me still.
• 1:27:52
  Like, you know, I thought Postal Service and and Death Cap Beauty
• 1:27:56
  were were good. I like the music.
• 1:27:59
  Whatever, they're fine. But when I went to their show, I
• 1:28:01
  was like, I was like, this is like like life changing.
• 1:28:04
  Like it was such a good performance.
• 1:28:07
  It was amazing. And and I love how music can
• 1:28:09
  come alive for you like that. Like when I was like I was in
• 1:28:12
  Hollywood in the in the 90s, like, you know, we'd go see
• 1:28:16
  Aimee Mann perform at Largo with John Bryan.
• 1:28:20
  And, you know, when I worked in music, like I got to meet all
• 1:28:23
  these people. I met Fiona Apple early on.
• 1:28:25
  I got really into her music and, you know, nowadays, like I, my
• 1:28:30
  14 year old, like turns me on to a lot of stuff.
• 1:28:33
  And it's like, OK, Chapel Roan, there's something there.
• 1:28:36
  I get it. He's got a crush on Sabrina
• 1:28:38
  Carpenter. Her music's pretty, you know,
• 1:28:42
  But I like trying to stay open. Like during the pandemic, my
• 1:28:44
  wife was like, I want to listen to different music.
• 1:28:47
  Because she was raised on classical music.
• 1:28:49
  She started listening to Charlie Puth and we went and saw him and
• 1:28:53
  it was like me, her and like every like 14 year old girl and
• 1:28:57
  her mom. But he puts on a great show and
• 1:29:01
  he finally got some high visibility, you know, exposure
• 1:29:05
  with the the Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:07
  Really. Like, I never understood bad Bad
• 1:29:10
  Bunny, but when I saw him perform, I was like, holy crap.
• 1:29:13
  There's really something incredible here, you know?
• 1:29:16
  Yeah, right. Agree.
• 1:29:17
  Agree. No, I I'm glad you're a music
• 1:29:19
  guy. It's kind of like, you know, if
• 1:29:21
  you're not into music, it's kind of like, you know, I'm not, I
• 1:29:23
  don't like dogs, right. I mean, so what's wrong with
• 1:29:25
  you? Right?
• 1:29:25
  You know, it's sort of the, you know, the, the, I don't know,
• 1:29:28
  the signifier of a, a well-rounded, you know,
• 1:29:30
  individual in. My eyes.
• 1:29:31
  Thank you. Yeah.
• 1:29:32
  And, you know, I I love discovering new things And.
• 1:29:34
  And my kid is more obsessed with Hans Zimmer.
• 1:29:37
  Oh, really? That's.
• 1:29:39
  Fun after Dune and then, you know, all the other movies that
• 1:29:43
  I introduced him to after that. But so we're going to see a Hans
• 1:29:46
  Zimmer concert, Candlelight concert, Yeah.
• 1:29:50
  And Sunday. Yeah.
• 1:29:51
  So stuff like that. Like I love expanding the
• 1:29:54
  repertoire. Yep.
• 1:29:54
  And keeping it that's. Really cool good music is good
• 1:29:56
  music. Right.
• 1:29:57
  Yeah, well, like you said, like getting to see them, you know,
• 1:30:01
  like I believe that I saw Death Cab for Cutie at AK Rock Weenie
• 1:30:04
  Roast back in the day. You know, if you know, you know.
• 1:30:08
  Oh yeah, I was a big. K Rock kid growing up,
• 1:30:10
  especially in high school like I listened to.
• 1:30:12
  Nothing but but Kevin and Bean in the morning and yes, and we
• 1:30:19
  we could talk for hours. Yeah, it's such a moment in
• 1:30:21
  time. Again, I know well, so last but
• 1:30:24
  not. Least if you were not in the
• 1:30:26
  profession that you are in, what would you be doing?
• 1:30:30
  I'd be directing movies I love, visual stories I love.
• 1:30:35
  Writing them and bringing them to life.
• 1:30:39
  And, you know, I've focused on cars and I love it.
• 1:30:42
  But moving people through visuals is, is something I'm
• 1:30:51
  just in love with, you know, that that dream.
• 1:30:54
  Yeah. Well, and it's cool that you get
• 1:30:57
  to do a version of that with your production company.
• 1:30:59
  So you're still. Keeping a finger in that world,
• 1:31:02
  Absolutely. Yeah, Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:31:05
  Yeah. Well, we won't keep you any
• 1:31:08
  longer tonight, so tell the people where they can find.
• 1:31:11
  You on social media until we can have you back to continue the
• 1:31:14
  conversation. It's all at Bassem wasa, so do
• 1:31:19
  that and. You'll find me mostly on
• 1:31:20
  Instagram, but yeah, it's been so great talking to you guys.
• 1:31:24
  This is just like, you know, we we just need to meet somewhere
• 1:31:27
  and do this again, like and and even just have a good time,
• 1:31:31
  right? Like put our phones away.
• 1:31:32
  What would that be like? There we go.
• 1:31:35
  I just say. When just say when I'd love to.
• 1:31:38
  No, we've we've loved having you.
• 1:31:39
  Obviously we could keep talking for much longer.
• 1:31:41
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• 1:31:43
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• 1:31:46
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