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#265: The Howling (1981) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Hello, what's your least favorite scary movie?
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  The news ladies turned into a werewolf welcome to what's your
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  least favorite scary movie? The podcast where we talk about
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  the good, the bad, the ugly and the absurd and all of our.
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  Favorite and least favorite scary movies?
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  Because we believe every horror movie rightfully has its
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  fanbase. Even if we don't always get it.
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  My name is Travis, my name is Jesse, and welcome everybody.
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  This week we are discussing the howling as Jesse quit us in on
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  on the whole reporter turning into a werewolf thing.
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  So yeah. Reaction from you on that one.
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  I I couldn't remember if that was a quote or what.
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  Yeah, from the very. End OK kids that are watching.
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  The news. Oh, that was what?
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  The kids I see. I couldn't remember if that was
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  the guy, the director at the news station or what, but yeah,
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  yeah, we're talking. About the news station,
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  presumably would know her name's Karen and wouldn't call her the
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  News Lady. I don't know about that.
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  OK. Anyways, so we are talking about
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  the howling this week. So we are about to get into all
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  the goodies on that. But before we do, do you have
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  anything you want to announce? No.
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  All right. So I have something to announce.
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  Basically the poll results, which wasn't exactly a poll this
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  week. So last week we talked about
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  Unhinged, and we just got in the idea of instead of doing a
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  traditional poll, we are going to assemble a playlist of songs
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  that Russell Crowe would listen to in his spree during Unhinged.
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  And we asked for everybody's input along with all the songs
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  that we contributed during the episode.
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  So just to recap you guys on that, the the songs that we had
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  were like the way it burns by Eminem, I'm not afraid by
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  Eminem, Ball ball with the ball, Kid Rock hangman by Styx
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  bartender. I really didn't really did it
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  this time. I don't remember.
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  Oops, I did it again. Britney Spears.
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  We didn't set the fire, Billy Joel thunderstruck or TNT by
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  ACDC and seven nation Army by The White Stripes.
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  Now what? The people pitched in.
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  Thank you everybody for pitching in.
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  By the way. We got some good ones here.
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  Some of you only sent in an artist, and that means that
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  Travis. I chose.
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  Whatever the song. Was that's right, I I use my
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  best judgement and some of these people are people I don't listen
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  to or I haven't listened to ever.
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  So I'm just like throwing shit out there that just based off of
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  the title. All right, Amber actually
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  dropped three whole ones here. She has they might be giants.
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  When will you die? I don't know that song, but I'm
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  familiar with They Might Be Giants, and that is an
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  interesting pick for Russell Crowe, but I like it.
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  Killing in the name of That's a good one.
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  And that's The Machine. Yeah.
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  And In the end, by Linkin Park. Nice.
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  Joe Freakatron, She Hates Me by Puddle Of Mudd.
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  Also very good. Marnie says Taylor Swift, so I
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  picked. God I hope it shake it off, that
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  would be hilarious. No, I picked anti hero because I
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  feel like he he thinks he's the hero on his story.
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  Tucker says Kid Rock. So I chose another Kid Rock
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  song. I chose cowboy.
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  OK, going to be a cowboy baby and Zane thinking says 5 finger
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  death punch. I did bad company.
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  OK, I don't know how that goes, but Brussel Crowe is not good
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  company. So and then over on Blue Sky, we
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  had Queen Beatrix, who contributed Roland by Limp
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  Bizkit. Nice.
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  Yeah, that's a good one. It's a really, really good
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  addition right there. So we currently have the
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  playlist put together on Spotify here.
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  We have two different names, the one that we are gonna go with.
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  He'll put the link to it and. It'll be in the.
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  Show notes and you'll just be surprised by the name then.
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  Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
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  OK, so yeah, that was it. I like that.
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  That was a really fun poll that we did.
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  I like having a lot of people like contributing and you know,
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  yeah, I think it's fun having an actual playlist.
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  OK, this is so OK, that's it for that.
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  So how about we get into the movie?
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  How about we? Howl about we?
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  OK. So The Howling originally
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  premiered in January of 1981 at the Avarez Fantastic Film Fest.
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  It's at wide release was April 10th, 1981.
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  We watched it on our Blu-ray and if you want to watch it, you do
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  not have any options for streaming but you can rent it on
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  Amazon for 399. It was written based off a novel
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  by Gary Brander, also written by John Sells and Terrence H
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  Winklass, directed by Joe Dante, music by Pinot Dinagio.
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  He I think his favorite one. We last talked about him on Seed
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  of Chucky. I think he did the music for
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  that. I.
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  Probably made that same joke then.
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  Special effects, we had Rob Botton who did the
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  transformations, and then we have David W Allen who did some
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  stop motion for the wolves. Oh, cool, yeah.
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  Starring Dee Wallace as Karen White, Patrick Mcnee as Doctor
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  George Wagner, Dennis Dugan as Chris, Christopher Stone as Bill
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  Nil, Belinda Belaskey as Terry Fisher, Elizabeth Brooks as
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  Marsha and Robert Picardo as Eddie.
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  All right, time for our favorite game on the show.
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  Budget Or but dead, I don't know.
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  Budget. Baghdad.
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  I was actually really shocked at the budget for this thing.
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  It was only $1 million. Damn.
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  I don't have the opening box office, but the worldwide gross
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  was $18 million, so I made 18 times it's budget, which is kind
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  of cool. Yeah.
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  IMDb 6.5 out of 10. Nice.
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  OK, so the theme for 1981 movies, it's basically werewolf.
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  People were eating good that year because we got a lot of
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  adaptations of that. So the very first one, An
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  American Werewolf in London, another classic of the sub genre
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  that released August 21st, 1981 with a $5.8 million budget, $62
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  million gross, IMDb. 7.5 out of 10?
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  I don't think I've seen that one.
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  I've seen the infamous werewolf transformation and that's about
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  it. That's all I've seen too.
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  Yeah, but it seems like it's fun.
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  I've caught recently glimpses of it on Pluto and it seems like a
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  really fun, self aware, I think, kind of movie.
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  That's how it came across to me. At least.
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  I liked it. The next one, Full Moon High,
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  this is Larry Cohen. So, you know, it's probably
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  pretty good. That guy's got some solid stuff.
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  Released October 9th 1981. Don't have a budget or gross but
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  the IMDb is 4.7. What else has Larry Cohen done?
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  He did he wrote the Maniac cop movies, OK.
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  He did Q Winget Serpent. He's done a couple of good
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  things. I think he also wrote Vigilante
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  OK out there. So yeah, he's he's got some
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  really good stuff. And the final one is Wolfen.
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  I can't tell from the way you said it.
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  Is that WOLFIN, apostrophe or WOLFEN?
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  WOLFEN OK, Wolfen. Like I'm Wolfen.
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  It's not how it's. No, that's how you use that in
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  the sentence. That's more confusing because I
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  just asked how to spell. Yeah, I know it's.
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  Like once you've been bit then you have wolf in blood.
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  I think that's what it is, Yeah. OK, Yeah.
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  So that released July 24th, 1980.
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  One $17 million budget, $10.6 million gross and a 6.3 on IMDb.
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  Yeah. So it has some pretty stiff
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  competition there, apparently. Like people were really
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  investing in the werewolf movies.
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  Unless you're Joe Dante, then you're kind of having to scrape
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  it together it seems. OK, so I got tag lines here.
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  The one that's on the poster is Imagine your worst fear a
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  reality. I don't want to imagine that.
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  Yeah, I mean, it's not my worst fear, but you know, I don't.
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  Want to be covered in Scorpions? Yeah.
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  OK, so I got I pulled up my phone here for the rest of them.
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  There's not like a whole lot, but some of them are really long
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  and I just didn't want to ride it.
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  So, all right. What she has witnessed, she
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  cannot escape. What he has become, he cannot
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  control. And what you experience no one
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  will believe until they come face to face with the inhuman
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  fear that is the howling that. That was needlessly long.
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  That's why I didn't want to ride it.
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  Yeah, that's like that's not a tagline that'll stick with you.
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  No, I mean, it's not bad as selling the movie.
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  It's just, it's not, it's not quippy enough.
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  All your nightmares are about to be transformed into one single
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  inescapable fear. Yeah, it's a little bit wordy,
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  but it's still pretty good. Taglings are presuming that
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  werewolves are my biggest fear and I don't appreciate that.
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  I think that they're really trying to sell you on that fear.
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  Like you are afraid of this. I'm not.
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  You're terrified of this. I'm absolutely not.
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  This is your worst fear. No, you cannot understand
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  what's. Happening If I ran into a
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  werewolf, it's the man versus bear debate, but it's the man
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  versus werewolf. And guess what?
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  I'm still taking a werewolf. No game.
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  They're out there and you're in the middle of your worst
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  nightmare. I'm not Joe Dante.
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  What the fuck? I don't think this is him.
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  Maybe he's really afraid of werewolf, so I don't know.
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  Joe Dante is the biggest. Everybody's afraid of this,
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  right? Joe Dante's Inferno.
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  When the howling starts, the war begins.
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  It's. A really funny joke.
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  That was pretty good. Yeah, I'm sorry.
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  I'm sorry to gloss over that. That was everybody.
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  OK, well now you're Ogre song yet.
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  OK, I just needed that chuckle, OK?
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  I'm sorry. When the howling starts, the
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  horror begins. There we go.
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  We're now. Yes.
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  That's. Reasonable.
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  Yeah. And the final one beyond
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  anything human. OK, yeah, OK.
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  So yeah, mixed bag there. Not the best, not the worst.
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  So fun facts. OK.
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  All right, I started this one off with a rhyme just because I
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  wanted. To was it on purpose or did you
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  like write it and you went oh, it rhymes?
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  I started because I noticed this guy's, this guy's situation
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  rhyme. And I was like, let me finish it
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  with her. Really.
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  Let's make this, like, a little thing.
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  So I started with Stephen Lane, owner of a theatre chain who
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  wanted to get into production. So he found his introduction.
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  It all started with Stephen Lane here, who owned the theatre
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  chain. Yeah.
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  The theatre train. Train.
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  Yeah, it's a train thing. Yeah.
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  It was inspired by, He was inspired by Stephen King's work,
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  and after he saw Stephen King's blurb on the Book of The
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  Howling, he got interested in wanting to adapt that.
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  So he tracked down the rights holder, which happened to be
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  director Jack Conrad, and they decided to make the movie
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  together. However, Conrad would end up
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  leaving due to creative differences with the studio and
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  then the writer that he had on board, Winkless.
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  He didn't hold up. He just said that he wasn't
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  good. OK so Joe Dante I'm assuming was
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  brought on board at this point, brought his partner John Sells
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  who helped him write Piranha which came out just before this
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  and he did a total rewrite of the movie.
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  So what he brought to this was he made the movie, according to
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  what I read, more self aware and more satirical.
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  Which makes sense because the like, especially the parts with
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  the the other news couple, Terry and Chris, they were very like,
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  everything they were saying was being echoed either by like
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  movies or other people in the magic shop.
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  Yeah, I mean, like Dick Miller's there, like giving them like,
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  yeah, this is werewolf shit right here.
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  It's like all in the books. It's all the same.
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  Roger Corman actually came to us in the movie briefly.
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  He is a guy sitting outside a phone booth at the beginning of
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  the movie. Yeah, OK.
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  I thought that I recognized him, but I was like, maybe it is,
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  maybe it isn't, But it turns out it was him.
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  And also we got Dick Miller there as well.
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  So we get a whole thing of the Tree of Corman here, since Joe
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  Dante came from Corman with Piranha Joe.
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  Dante. Originally the movie had Rick
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  Baker sign on to do special effects, but he went on and left
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  for American Werewolf in London. So they ended up getting Rob
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  Botton and said who did the infamous transformation scene in
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  this movie? It's nice that they both have
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  very unique transformation scenes.
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  I don't know if I would say unique, actually, but very
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  impressive ones. Yeah.
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  And apparently the way that he achieved that is he had latex on
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  the face of of the actor and they had what is called air
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  bladders underneath, which is what causes like the bubbling
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  and kind of like the misshapen, like the just shape shifting
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  going on there that. Makes.
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  Sense So the success of the movie is what helped Joe Dante
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  get his job for Gremlins. So what ended up having with
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  that is there were some Easter eggs for The Howling in that
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  movie. So apparently on the fridge
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  there is a little :) that Eddie has that is his calling card.
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  So that's there at their house. And also the news reporter from
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  The Howling is also in Gremlins as well.
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  It's the character Lou Landers. But like Dee Wallace.
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  No, the the male. Oh yeah, OK.
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  I was like. No, Dee Wallace is dead.
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  Yeah, at the end of this movie she dies, but well.
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  Yeah, the other guy, I know that.
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  OK. Yeah.
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  I think it's kind of cool though, that I guess I kind of.
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  Like it's the same news. Yeah, it's the same character,
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  not the actor, the same character is there.
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  So basically shared universe thing going here.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  And that's it for the fun facts that I had.
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  OK, so let's go ahead and kick this thing off.
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  Jesse, what is the good that you saw in this movie?
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  Well, I'm pretty particular about creature features just
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  because a lot of times I feel like the story is just there's a
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  creature and that's not super interesting to me, which that
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  was a big part of my whole thing with Cloverfield way, way, way
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  back in the day. OK, OK.
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  I I would argue with that movie. I think it's the way it's told
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  that it's more intriguing. That makes it worse for me.
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  I think what I'm saying is like they keep the monster a mystery
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  until like you get Chuck a glimpse of it at the end, which
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  I think is more interesting. Disagree.
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  I think that this is, you know, it tells a really interesting
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  story. I like the fact that it's in
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  like kind of a Wellness retreat type of situation and it feels
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  almost culty. And in fact, it is culty.
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  I think that is kind of a really fun twist on it.
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  I like that we've got the, like, investigative news team that
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  first of all, they're like so weirdly involved in this, like
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  string of murderers seemingly more involved than the police
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  themselves. It's kind of it's going to touch
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  up the jaw. And then they just fully accept
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  werewolves just existing even before like she gets the
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  retreat, she's like expecting to see werewolves.
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  And then she does see werewolves.
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  Confirmation bias, Who knows? So I think that that's really
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  fun. And I also think that shot of
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  Dee Wallace then first of all, she has no right to be such a
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  pretty werewolf. Like we didn't see the final
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  transformation. We saw her face at the end and
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  she looked like a little like a little terrier.
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  Yeah. Like you put a bow on the top of
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  that head. Yeah.
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  But also like her mid transformation, like that shot
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  of her like with just like a tear coming down her face is
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  just something really beautiful. So I think the I think the whole
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  thing is really interesting. And also you know, much like
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  vampires, Wareholves have very inconsistent lore from 1
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  franchise, one movie, one story to another.
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  And I like that this one's like ah fuck the full moon thing, we
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  can just change whenever we want.
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  Also can come back from the dead.
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  Unless it's a silver bullet. Silver bullet does not have to
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  be in a fatal kind of area when it's shot, just has to be in the
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  body. You know, I kind of, well, I
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  don't know, they all got hit in some pretty fatal places, I
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  think. I don't think anybody's got hit.
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  In like their shoulder or something.
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  Maybe I can't remember, but you know, I, I kind of appreciate
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  that because like the other night we also watched Scream 6
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  where everybody gets stabbed all over the place and everybody
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  survives. Spoiler of I'm sorry but like.
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  We're kind of following the rules for fatality from that one
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  really bad tubing movie we talked about with Paris Hilton.
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  9 lives, yes yeah. Mm hmm yeah.
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  Like we're like a tummy stab is like fatal.
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  And tummy stab fatal? Yeah, no.
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  Or just a shoulder stab is fatal.
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  Just like any kind of stab, really.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  You know, that doesn't bother me too much, but yeah.
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  OK. You got anything else?
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  Those are the main beats I think.
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  OK, yeah, for me, I like the creature design a lot in this.
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  I'm with you. I'm not really a big werewolf
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  creature feature type of dude. So I know that this is a classic
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  and a lot of people love this movie and hold it in really high
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  regard. So I I you know, and we happen
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  to have it on Blu-ray, so I wanted to throw it out there for
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  today and give werewolves a chance because we've given
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  vampires plenty of chances. And I was actually wrong
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  whenever I said we hadn't talked about any werewolf movies on
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  this show before because we talked about Wolf Cop.
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  Yeah, which is a good werewolf movie, I you know that one is.
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  Amazing trick or treat. Oh yeah, there are werewolves in
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  that too. This is well, pure, like
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  werewolf from start to finish, I guess I should say.
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  But I really like how they handled the the look of them in
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  this. They they're, they're one of
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  those things that I feel like would be really hard to know,
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  like they're hard to draw. And I don't know how you would
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  bring one to life, but they did a great job bringing them to
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  life through like the stop motions, how they like got them,
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  like the janky movement and stuff like that.
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  And then just the transformations alone are
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  incredible. And when they cut off that guy's
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  hand and it just like turns from the wolfhand into a human hand
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  again, it was really, really impressive.
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  You are still. You're not there yet, but I
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  can't wait for you to see the werewolves and Buffy.
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  If they look like the vampires, vampires I.
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  Can't wait for you to see. Them I'm just going to.
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  Leave it at that. I'm with you.
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  I also really enjoy the investigative journalists aspect
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  of this movie. I thought that that was some of
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  the more interesting parts of this.
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  So like, if we had stuck with that a lot more, I think that
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  this would have been like really, really great for me.
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  But the parts that we got really, really fun.
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  And yeah, that that ending is it is amazing.
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  That is a great way to end this movie.
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  So OK, that's it for my goods. What are some bads?
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  I guess I feel like maybe the pacing's off a little bit
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  because like, I guess we're meant to see that there are
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  problems in her and Bill's relationship, but we don't
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  really get that prior to the retreat.
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  Like we get like a hint of it and then they get there and it
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  seems like things are OK and then all of a sudden he's
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  slapping her. Well, I think at that point he's
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  got the wolf in. Them.
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  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just we spent far more time
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  establishing that Bill's a vegetarian.
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  That we did like anything with their marriage.
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  Are they actually even married? She's.
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  She refers to him as her husband, right?
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  I don't remember. I don't think so.
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  So yeah. They have different last names
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  in the movie, so. That doesn't mean anything.
• 19:52
  Yeah. But this is more traditional
• 19:54
  times. I think that that happened back.
• 19:55
  News anchor. She was probably already known
• 19:57
  professionally as Karen White. I guess, yeah.
• 20:00
  Yeah, I'm just saying it was really hard to care about the
• 20:03
  dissolution of their marriage, you know, 'cause we didn't.
• 20:06
  I cared more about Chris and Terry at that point than I did
• 20:10
  about Karen and Bill. They were more interesting
• 20:12
  characters for me. I agree.
• 20:14
  Yeah, so it's just like it it we don't get a lot of like highs
• 20:17
  and lows and those emotional like gut punches, except for
• 20:21
  like Karen's transformation on air at the end because, you
• 20:25
  know, she'd been having this whole mental freeze getting on
• 20:28
  air. So her Breaking Bad just to like
• 20:31
  get shot live on air after transforming like that, that
• 20:34
  sucks and that's emotional, but I think the rest of it kind of
• 20:36
  just deflates a little bit. I think the best part of that
• 20:40
  ending, like other than that, is how it cuts to the bar
• 20:43
  afterwards and you get these people debating whether it was
• 20:45
  real or not. Yeah, which is true.
• 20:47
  I feel like that would be like a real thing because nobody like
• 20:49
  believes shit anymore. Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 20:53
  My bad. Is very much in line with that
• 20:56
  it it caused the pacing to be bad.
• 20:58
  But for me it's because we don't stay in moments very long.
• 21:02
  We have days taken up in like a matter of seconds and like
• 21:08
  they're not even full scenes. They're just like a little like
• 21:10
  snippets like here's one day and we get like 15 seconds and then
• 21:13
  we cut to like the next day and then just so much happened so
• 21:17
  fast. It just feels so disjointed and
• 21:21
  it just it messes with my. Value.
• 21:24
  Yeah. And I'd love to see more of the
• 21:25
  cultiness of things too. What is it called?
• 21:28
  The Colony. The colony, yeah.
• 21:30
  Mm. Hmm.
• 21:31
  So that was my big problem with this.
• 21:34
  And I think it, I think at the end it gets better.
• 21:40
  The longer it goes, it gets better.
• 21:41
  But once you get there, or like once it's starting, like, I
• 21:45
  don't know, the opening is really cool with like the
• 21:48
  investigation and they're trying to get the sting on Eddie.
• 21:50
  But then everything in the middle is just like so fast and
• 21:53
  so weird and disjointed. And then we bring it back
• 21:56
  together in the end. Yeah.
• 21:58
  OK, Ugly. OK, so Eddie the Mangler, that's
• 22:05
  pretty ugly. The doctor, he like, feels like
• 22:10
  he's peddling like, and I get in his mind he's like trying to
• 22:13
  like, OK, how can werewolves live in society, right?
• 22:17
  I get that that's his secret objective, but on the surface,
• 22:21
  if I just heard this doctor up here talking about like, oh, you
• 22:25
  got to embrace the beast within. That's your real gift.
• 22:28
  I feel like go back and jerk off with Andrew Tate, you asshole.
• 22:33
  You know, like I just, I don't, I feel like that would be like a
• 22:41
  really toxic kind of like nowadays it would be like TikTok
• 22:45
  psychology like, oh, you go to take the bad parts of you and
• 22:48
  embrace them and they're for the greater good.
• 22:51
  And then you've got like young kids being like, it's OK that
• 22:54
  I'm an asshole. I'm embracing my gift like.
• 22:58
  Yeah, I feel like Marsha was also like a probably a bigger
• 23:01
  proponent of that. She's like be all beasts, don't
• 23:04
  let any of. It exactly, Exactly, exactly.
• 23:07
  So I yeah, I just thought that doctor is probably doing more
• 23:11
  harm than good. Yeah, my.
• 23:14
  Ugly was Bill's whole personal transformation in the movies.
• 23:19
  Like they start off. I don't know, I don't think that
• 23:23
  they're having a hard time until they get to the colony, but I
• 23:26
  could be wrong. Like he he gets there, he cheats
• 23:30
  on her and then he ends up getting to a point where he like
• 23:33
  hits her and shit like that. And then it's just like his
• 23:36
  character takes like a really fucking deep.
• 23:38
  He hits her for her, calling out the fact that she thinks that
• 23:42
  maybe he possibly cheated on her.
• 23:44
  Yeah, but she did. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's all part
• 23:47
  of his downfall. It's really shitty.
• 23:49
  He he ends up being a pretty shitty guy and then like he just
• 23:52
  gets like killed off so unceremoniously too.
• 23:56
  But yeah, that I thought that that was the ugly part for me.
• 23:59
  OK, absurd. Oh man, I'm gonna.
• 24:08
  So we talked about this as we were watching it.
• 24:10
  The credits just play over a burger cooking on the stove.
• 24:16
  But The thing is, we know Marsha ordered it rare, and this thing
• 24:21
  was medium well. Squad.
• 24:23
  The time the the credits were done, yeah, there wasn't even a
• 24:27
  hint of pink left. I think that's accurate though,
• 24:31
  because like, you order something wrong and then they
• 24:33
  bring it to you, or you order something and they bring it to
• 24:35
  you wrong. Are you just talking about me
• 24:37
  specifically? Happens to you a lot.
• 24:40
  Yeah. But, you know, like, it's, it's
• 24:42
  a real experience. I like, I want to see like the
• 24:44
  fallout from that. Like does she like, go on like a
• 24:47
  werewolf rampage because of that?
• 24:49
  Yeah, like she just turns into a werewolf and attacks the like
• 24:53
  bartender slash Lang. Right in front of all the people
• 24:56
  that were debating whether it was real or not, and they're
• 24:58
  still debating. Although that bar was like a
• 25:02
  Waffle House but with alcohol because like the stove top was
• 25:05
  just right there and people are around the countertop ordering
• 25:09
  their food that way. It's like a hibachi fusion bar
• 25:13
  situation. She was about they're, they're
• 25:15
  probably off to the side doing the little onion volcano, a
• 25:18
  little Choo Choo like. I wish.
• 25:20
  I wish instead of like the sake like being squeezed and.
• 25:24
  Yeah, just like mustard. No, I was gonna say, they've got
• 25:28
  like the little soda gun. Yeah, that works too.
• 25:32
  Yeah, I prefer just like taking a bottle of mustard.
• 25:36
  Yeah, that would be nasty as fuck.
• 25:39
  My absurds one when they're doing the they call it a wolf
• 25:45
  hunt. They have that one guy as
• 25:48
  they're like sniff dog TCTC. Yeah, what is?
• 25:51
  It with movies in the 80s and like, we're gonna give this dude
• 25:54
  a name, but it's just gonna be two letters.
• 25:57
  One of them's gotta be the letter T.
• 25:59
  Yeah, I it's a, it's an interesting trend.
• 26:03
  This we got madman. TP.
• 26:06
  Yeah, and then we've got TC Slopper Party Massacre 2 or
• 26:11
  Sleep Sleep with Camp 2. Yeah, TC again.
• 26:15
  Also TC, yeah what the fuck people from the 80s.
• 26:19
  And then TT. That well that actually like we
• 26:23
  know canonically what that stands for.
• 26:25
  Do we get any of the T CS T PS like what their?
• 26:29
  What their names are, I don't think so, no.
• 26:31
  But I don't know. I like the idea.
• 26:33
  I just love the idea that everybody's OK with using him as
• 26:35
  like this, like sniffer out there and like all the people
• 26:38
  that are brought in from the outside of the colony are not
• 26:41
  questioning like this guy just sniffs really well.
• 26:43
  He's a good dog. Bill's there.
• 26:44
  He's not even there for, like, the therapy.
• 26:47
  He's just there to support you care.
• 26:49
  And he's like, yeah, no, I guess this guy can just smell.
• 26:52
  This guy's really. Yeah.
• 26:54
  And then just at the end where they take everybody else against
• 26:59
  their will. But then whenever he gets to
• 27:01
  Karen, they're like, let's do like a shindig.
• 27:03
  Let's do a surprise party at the barn.
• 27:06
  Yeah. They just, like, sneak her over
• 27:08
  there and like, they just, they really try to recruit her.
• 27:11
  But then everybody else is like, Nah, just buy them.
• 27:14
  OK. So that's it for all of that.
• 27:17
  So what do you rate this? 7.
• 27:22
  OK. I think it's, it's pretty
• 27:24
  decent, yeah. I mean, you know, we've already
• 27:27
  discussed our problems with it, some things that I think
• 27:30
  happened to punch it up, but I think it's pretty decent.
• 27:33
  I think it's OK. Yeah, I think I would give it
• 27:35
  around 6 1/2. Yeah, it's a good movie.
• 27:39
  I understand why a lot of people love this movie.
• 27:41
  But yeah, absolutely. OK, so what's our average?
• 27:46
  6.75. OK, cool.
• 27:49
  All right, Well then, let's get into.
• 27:51
  So we start off and we see there's like news, talk show,
• 27:56
  interview, something happening on TV, and it's with Doctor
• 28:00
  Wagner. And he's talking about, you
• 28:03
  know, humans, neuroses and psychoses and how you just have
• 28:06
  to unleash the beast within and find the gift from our primal
• 28:10
  nature. Yeah, he's talking about
• 28:11
  something with like, animal magnetism too.
• 28:15
  Yeah, it just icky. Yeah, and I like how this is
• 28:19
  like all overly You see Eddie, he's in his apartment just
• 28:22
  watching the TV, dude. Eddie makes me uncomfortable
• 28:26
  because he does the like wetting his lips with this tongue thing
• 28:29
  that's just really creepy where he's just like.
• 28:31
  Yep, just like to nobody but himself in an apartment.
• 28:35
  Yeah, it's it's off putting. Meanwhile, we see the news team
• 28:39
  is working on a big story. They're doing a sting, it seems.
• 28:44
  Yeah. And Karen is the bait.
• 28:46
  She is walking down the streets. Well, she's the bait, but also
• 28:50
  like, she's who Eddie has been in contact with.
• 28:53
  So there's been this serial rapist and murderer, Eddie the
• 28:56
  Mangler, and, you know, police haven't caught him.
• 29:00
  I don't know that they're trying.
• 29:01
  It doesn't seem like they give a shit.
• 29:03
  They're just like, yeah, I mean, it happens, OK?
• 29:06
  Beast within. Calm down.
• 29:08
  And so Eddie contacted Karen because he liked her on the TV
• 29:14
  and he, you know, is like, kind of feeding her little bits of
• 29:19
  information. And she gains his trust, and he
• 29:22
  agrees to meet her. She's supposed to come alone,
• 29:25
  but she's got, like, a secret transmitter.
• 29:28
  But this transmitter sucks because it's 1981.
• 29:30
  I blame Roger Corman. He was there.
• 29:32
  He sabotaged the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, he fucked with the
• 29:35
  radio interference or whatever. I don't know what I'm saying.
• 29:39
  Yeah. So she calls into the.
• 29:41
  She calls into Eddie and they realized that the the signal is
• 29:46
  breaking up on the news station's end.
• 29:48
  And so the cops that are supposed to be like guarding her
• 29:52
  are just like we need to find a lady in purple.
• 29:55
  Quick, let's ask this sex worker over here.
• 29:58
  I don't what like what is this town?
• 30:00
  Isn't it funny that they're also.
• 30:01
  LA also. I don't know where this is,
• 30:03
  actually, but isn't it also funny that I'm like, yeah, this
• 30:05
  lady, she's wearing purple. You know, the news lady that's
• 30:08
  on everybody's TV at night. This is the 80s.
• 30:12
  Nobody else has sources of news other than newspaper and the
• 30:15
  television, vision and radio, but still, she would be a
• 30:18
  recognizable face. Yes, so eventually what it comes
• 30:24
  down to she walks into a video shop and then she goes into the
• 30:27
  adults only section. And this is one of those where
• 30:30
  you have your own private theater.
• 30:32
  And this is really gross cuz Eddie makes her watch like porno
• 30:36
  and is like these women don't feel anything.
• 30:40
  They're not real. That's dehumanizing and gross,
• 30:43
  Eddie. Like, I get it, you're a rapist
• 30:44
  and a murderer, but like. He's also a werewolf.
• 30:47
  It's gross. Yeah.
• 30:48
  He's like, this is like. He's like, I'm also dehumanized
• 30:51
  so. It's cool.
• 30:52
  I can say this. Yeah.
• 30:55
  And he starts to make his move on her.
• 30:57
  She starts to flip out. The cops are in there asking the
• 31:01
  shop owner about her, and they happen to hear her scream.
• 31:04
  At that time, the. Shop owner is like, yeah, this
• 31:06
  broad just walked in and scared out all my other customers, and
• 31:10
  it's because all the other customers were in the adults
• 31:12
  only section. They're like, oh man, the news
• 31:13
  lady's. Here.
• 31:14
  Oh man, they're doing a piece watching porno, just like
• 31:17
  covering themselves with their collars.
• 31:19
  Yeah. And yeah, they hear a scream and
• 31:22
  they don't even know what they're shooting at.
• 31:24
  They just shoot the wall. I know.
• 31:25
  They could have so easily hit Karen boom movies over.
• 31:29
  Yeah, it could have just ended there, but somehow they
• 31:33
  accidentally hit the person and. Yeah, Eddie.
• 31:36
  Yeah, and they think they got them, so they take Karen to the
• 31:40
  hospital. She wakes up at the hospital.
• 31:43
  She cannot remember anything that happened.
• 31:46
  Like she remembers going in there and she remembers him
• 31:49
  saying don't turn around and then she doesn't remember
• 31:51
  anything from when she was until she was escorted out.
• 31:54
  Yeah, and then meanwhile, the team is doing an investigation
• 31:58
  of Eddie's apartment. Not the cops.
• 32:00
  The news. Team Yeah, yeah, the news team.
• 32:01
  And he's got his whole wall covered with werewolf stuff.
• 32:06
  He's got some illustrations. Newspaper from his murders.
• 32:11
  Porn. Drawings that he's done porn,
• 32:13
  the :) sticker. So, you know, real real serial
• 32:18
  killer hideaway type stuff. Yeah, for sure.
• 32:21
  And then, yeah, he finds that drawing.
• 32:22
  OK, and there. Or they do.
• 32:24
  So they take the illustrations and they take it to Doctor
• 32:29
  Wagner to see what he thinks about the whole thing.
• 32:33
  He said that the killer clearly was using his right sided brain,
• 32:37
  the artistic side. Wow doc, what do we do with
• 32:44
  that? This guy's, I don't know, like I
• 32:47
  don't understand why this guy is such like a, a great resource
• 32:50
  for them. Like they had him on TV.
• 32:51
  He's been spouting nothing but just a bunch of bullshit the
• 32:54
  entire time. And everybody's like, this is
• 32:55
  the guy. This guy, he's got the answer.
• 32:57
  He's wagging. Yeah, well, and eventually even
• 33:00
  Karen is going to go talk to him because what happens is she goes
• 33:03
  back to work. She's going to tell of her
• 33:06
  ordeal on air, except she hasn't gotten any real therapy and
• 33:11
  she's traumatized. And when she gets on air, she
• 33:13
  looks into the camera and she has a flashback to being in the
• 33:17
  booth and watching that video with Eddie about to kill her.
• 33:20
  So it's. White's camera space out.
• 33:23
  Nice. Yeah.
• 33:24
  And then they just pull her off the dust, like, OK, she's done.
• 33:26
  She's not doing anything. So then, yeah, she goes to see
• 33:30
  the doctor the next day. He recommends that she go to the
• 33:33
  colony for about one to two weeks just to recharge the
• 33:37
  batteries. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:38
  So, so not everybody gets this treatment quote on.
• 33:43
  You know, the subtext of that is like, this is for rich people.
• 33:47
  That's why I call it a Wellness retreat, because rich people
• 33:49
  don't go to therapy, they don't go to hospitals, they go to
• 33:52
  Wellness retreat. Yeah.
• 33:56
  Is it for just purely the werewolves or do you think that
• 33:59
  he has it has like a front still too?
• 34:01
  I think they were thinking because I think she got
• 34:07
  recommended to that because Eddie is one of his patients so.
• 34:12
  Eddie ain't doing. He's not super rich.
• 34:14
  We saw his apartment. Well, you know, up until this
• 34:18
  point we don't know that it's really a werewolf retreat.
• 34:20
  Yeah, true. Yeah, Yeah.
• 34:21
  It feels like that here. Yeah.
• 34:23
  Yeah. OK, so we're already at the
• 34:25
  colony. This movie moves at lightspeed.
• 34:28
  Yeah, you know, we could have more time to build relationships
• 34:31
  and whatnot if we didn't have one of Karen's nightmares every
• 34:34
  5 minutes. Yeah.
• 34:36
  I mean, they don't take up a lot of time, but you know, yeah, I
• 34:38
  mean, it's still padding, you know, OK.
• 34:40
  Yeah, we got it that she has nightmares.
• 34:43
  Yeah, so they're there. They're meeting with the others.
• 34:46
  It's like a bonfire cookout type.
• 34:49
  Dill and Bill meets so lady handsome, a lot of mystery.
• 34:55
  And that Lady happens to be Marsha.
• 34:58
  She's over there serving food. He's like, I'm vegetarian.
• 35:00
  And she's like, here, drink this.
• 35:02
  And she won't tell him exactly what it is, but I don't really
• 35:06
  know. Yeah.
• 35:08
  Yeah, they didn't really like elaborate on that.
• 35:10
  Like they gave, she gave him an ominous drink, and then that was
• 35:12
  it. Well, and I think the point was
• 35:14
  really meant to be like they're kind of like she's kind of
• 35:17
  flirting with him. Gossip is that she is there for
• 35:21
  nymphomania. Meanwhile, Donna, she's one of
• 35:25
  the other people at the colony. She takes care and for like a
• 35:28
  little tour and to understand what the way the land is.
• 35:32
  Yeah, and then we get this old dude who's just like, I went in,
• 35:35
  I got a burn. So he's trying to throw himself
• 35:37
  on top of a fire. He's.
• 35:38
  Sitting there, he's like, I can't do it this way anymore.
• 35:42
  Teeth are. Shot.
• 35:45
  Teeth are shot. Teeth.
• 35:46
  He tries to throw himself on the fire.
• 35:48
  And I was like, that's just how Earl is like, yeah.
• 35:50
  Earl do it every week. Yeah.
• 35:53
  Earl So Karen is woken up in the middle of the night by House and
• 35:59
  Bill does the classic horror movie husband thing.
• 36:02
  He's like, oh, it's just the wind or a dog.
• 36:04
  Yeah. He's like you grew up in LA,
• 36:07
  you're stupid, you don't know what nature.
• 36:09
  Sounds like I understand his point there.
• 36:12
  Because like, if you grow up and all you know is just like the
• 36:15
  ambience of a city, and then you go out into the country, like
• 36:18
  you could hear something like that in the distance and think,
• 36:20
  Oh my God, we're gonna die. No, it's just the fucking
• 36:22
  country. Be a whole ass to her about it
• 36:24
  though. He doesn't have to be, but he
• 36:25
  saw Mystery Woman. He's already got his sights on
• 36:30
  somebody else. Yeah, he's like, how do I get
• 36:32
  out of this marriage? Yeah, there we.
• 36:34
  Go. Push all the wrong buttons.
• 36:37
  Yeah, except so she can't go back to sleep.
• 36:40
  So she goes out and she's like stocking the fire and she hears
• 36:44
  a sound outside of the cabin and goes outside.
• 36:48
  I don't really know what happens.
• 36:49
  Just the next day she's talking to Donna and she's like, well, I
• 36:51
  heard a scary sound so I called the cops.
• 36:53
  She goes out there and there's something hanging on a limb.
• 36:56
  Oh, it's just a piece of cloth. I, I wasn't really sure what it
• 36:58
  was exactly, but you also see, I think it's Eddie.
• 37:03
  I think it's Eddie watching from the bushes there.
• 37:05
  It's either Eddie or the guy that can smell really well, but
• 37:08
  I'm pretty sure it's Eddie. Yeah, I don't.
• 37:10
  I don't know. Either way she calls the cops
• 37:12
  and the cop is like heard you guys got a coyote problem?
• 37:16
  Yeah, they keep saying coyote. Is that right?
• 37:21
  Are we wrong? I've always pronounced.
• 37:23
  It coyote. I think it's one of those words
• 37:24
  that can be pronounced a couple different ways.
• 37:26
  OK, so we come over to the news team.
• 37:30
  This is Chris and Terry and they are checking on Eddie's corpse.
• 37:36
  Yeah, they wanted to see if he really has an animal tattoo.
• 37:40
  I just I. Just trying to identify them I
• 37:43
  guess. I don't.
• 37:44
  Know do morgues just let anybody come in and look at a body?
• 37:47
  I think if you some again to be surprised, you might be
• 37:51
  surprised how easy people could do this, especially if you're
• 37:54
  with the news. It just seems like it would be
• 37:55
  interfering with an investigation.
• 37:57
  Probably, but these guys are the only ones investigating, right?
• 38:00
  Whatever. Nobody else cares about this
• 38:02
  guy. You all can I guess.
• 38:04
  Everybody's about to care because they go over to Eddie's
• 38:07
  freezer and when they open it up there's nobody in there and
• 38:11
  there is massive claw marks on the inside of the door.
• 38:15
  So back at night at the colony, Karen hears cows.
• 38:19
  They ain't sounding right, though, so she gets her rifle
• 38:22
  and goes to go investigate. Yeah, I, I what was the what was
• 38:27
  the train of thought for that? Well.
• 38:29
  No, her and Donna were already outside.
• 38:31
  They were chit chatting because Donna was talking about all of
• 38:34
  the other cults and therapies she's tried for her problems and
• 38:38
  she was like this one I think will really stick for now.
• 38:40
  Yeah, the vampire 1 wasn't too good.
• 38:42
  The werewolf one seemed to work out.
• 38:44
  And then they hear the cow sounds and they're like, oh,
• 38:47
  better go check on that. And that's when they find a dead
• 38:49
  cow. Yeah, it's a really, really dead
• 38:52
  cow. It's yeah, yeah.
• 38:54
  I'm surprised that she actually herd a cow.
• 38:56
  And then this is where the men are, like, all right, men.
• 38:59
  There were howling. There were dead cows.
• 39:02
  Must hunt. Must hunt.
• 39:04
  TC TC Sniff. TC, TC sniff, That sounds like a
• 39:10
  brand of something right there. It's like, babe, can you give me
• 39:13
  a pack of the TC sniffs? No, that's like, that's like a
• 39:18
  trial, like a travel sized deodorant.
• 39:20
  Yeah, TC sniff. OK.
• 39:25
  So Karen has a session, like a group therapy session.
• 39:30
  So she goes in there and she's recounting what happened to her
• 39:33
  again when she went to go meet Eddie, and she still can't
• 39:38
  remember. Like she can't see him when she
• 39:41
  turns around in her memory. So she still can't unlock that.
• 39:46
  Meanwhile, we cut back over to Terry and Chris, who are at Dick
• 39:50
  Miller's. Yeah, store.
• 39:52
  I'm they're. Just they're just chilling with
• 39:54
  Dick Miller. Yeah, and they're over there.
• 39:56
  They're looking up literature on werewolves.
• 39:59
  They jump to that conclusion real hard and fast.
• 40:02
  Listen, what else can just wake from?
• 40:05
  The Scott Claws was dead, not there.
• 40:10
  All signs point to werewolf. It's their worst nightmare.
• 40:15
  Yeah, and of course that's what Night jumped too.
• 40:18
  They just looked at each other. Oh God, it's happening.
• 40:22
  The greatest fears come to life. Yeah, so he, he's, yeah, he's
• 40:29
  like, so all of those stories where werewolves can only change
• 40:33
  the full moon, that's a load of shit.
• 40:35
  Will Spain forget about it? The only thing that works is a
• 40:38
  silver bullet. It's got to be a true silver.
• 40:41
  It feels like this is all like Dick Miller, just like, yeah,
• 40:43
  werewolves, movies full of shit. Yeah, Full moon.
• 40:47
  Nah, not buying it. Like Dick, this script, Yeah,
• 40:50
  he's like, Nah, bullshit. Silver bullets.
• 40:53
  Maybe, Yeah. Oh, also, did you know
• 40:56
  werewolves can come back from the dead?
• 40:57
  That's the thing, too. And they're like, no shit.
• 40:59
  And he goes, yeah, I'm trying to sell shit here.
• 41:02
  I love it. He's the most disillusioned
• 41:04
  magic shop owner ever. Is it a magic shop?
• 41:07
  Yeah. OK, it's like it's an occult
• 41:09
  type shop. OK, yeah, cuz it almost looks
• 41:11
  like a library of sorts too. Yeah.
• 41:14
  So they buy books, several books on werewolves, and you know,
• 41:18
  they're now stocked up. So we see the husband takes a
• 41:24
  rabbit to Marshall. I guess that's why he hunted.
• 41:26
  Yeah, while they're on the hunt, he shoots a rabbit and TC is
• 41:30
  like, oh, my sister can cook that up for you.
• 41:33
  And he's like, no thanks, I don't eat meat.
• 41:35
  And he's like, it's a sin to kill something and not use it.
• 41:40
  Yeah, which that. Look, he's got a point.
• 41:44
  Like don't kill it just to kill it.
• 41:46
  I get that. I'm saying that's chilling
• 41:48
  considering they're a werewolf cult.
• 41:51
  Oh, yeah. Oh, they.
• 41:52
  Yeah, Yeah. To be fair, we haven't seen them
• 41:56
  kill anybody yet. They've only turned people.
• 41:59
  That's true. Yeah, that's true.
• 42:01
  So Bill brings it to Marsha, that's T CS sister, and she
• 42:06
  throws the rabbit's foot at him. Anybody remember that point in
• 42:09
  time where we were all just walking around with fuzzy little
• 42:11
  key chains saying it's my lucky rabbit's foot?
• 42:14
  I remember that. Yeah, that was kind of weird.
• 42:16
  So yeah, she's like, I'll cook the rabbit later.
• 42:19
  And then she kisses him and he starts to kiss back, and then he
• 42:21
  pushes her away. He's like, no, So he's going
• 42:25
  back to his own bungalow. And wouldn't you know it, he's
• 42:28
  attacked by a wolf. Do we think this is Marsha?
• 42:31
  Do we think this is horny? Little Marsha is like you will
• 42:34
  not say no to me once you're a. Wolf No, I think this is TC.
• 42:38
  Oh yeah, I think. TC says you will not say no to
• 42:40
  my horny. Little sister will call her.
• 42:45
  Yeah, he's just like, man, this guy would be a he's the best.
• 42:49
  He killed a rabbit. He'd be a great brother-in-law.
• 42:52
  I'm the best wing man, I'm ATC. Yeah, absolutely.
• 42:56
  I don't know why. My TC also sounds like my John
• 42:59
  triple SO. Yeah, so yeah, he's he goes
• 43:06
  stumbling back home to on the store steps and then.
• 43:10
  Yeah, they're a little bungalow. And Karen's like, ah, so she
• 43:13
  takes him to the Doctor, Who apparently also has, like,
• 43:16
  antibiotics and sutures. And what kind of doctor is he?
• 43:19
  Is he like a mind doctor? A body doctor?
• 43:23
  A. Psychiatry, because they
• 43:25
  prescribe medicine, do go through medical training like
• 43:28
  they do go to medical school. Well, not like that kind though.
• 43:31
  They don't have to learn, like learn the whole human anatomy
• 43:34
  and all that, do they? They have to do all of that.
• 43:35
  They have. To do all of medical school,
• 43:37
  yeah, psychiatry is a specialty. So when you go down that lane,
• 43:40
  you can be like, OK, I've done all of that.
• 43:42
  Now do I want to do doctor, doctor stuff or do I want to do,
• 43:45
  like, psychiatry stuff? Yeah, you can.
• 43:47
  Like, you've come to a fork in a row.
• 43:48
  Yeah. Really.
• 43:49
  Yes, impressive. OK, it's.
• 43:51
  A specialty. Well, this guy's still a quack,
• 43:54
  so, you know, I, I don't regret anything episode.
• 43:57
  Yes, and especially cuz he's like, all right, here's a shot
• 44:00
  so you don't get infected. And Karen's like cool, we're
• 44:02
  gonna go home. He goes no.
• 44:03
  No, no. Traveling's not advisable.
• 44:06
  A bite like this could easily get infected.
• 44:09
  Seems like all the more reason to get out of the woods.
• 44:12
  Yeah, you don't wanna go near modern medicine.
• 44:15
  Stay over here. We have TC.
• 44:17
  Getting in your car? Go into a sterile hospital.
• 44:20
  Bad idea. Stay in the woods.
• 44:23
  Dirt bogs sweat. TC can sniff the sickness.
• 44:27
  Yeah, TC. TC will tell you if you start to
• 44:30
  go gangrenous. He will know if you have sepsis.
• 44:33
  Yeah, so it's now a night time and Terry and Chris, they're
• 44:38
  chilling. They're they're they're having
• 44:40
  some sexy. Time, dude, This was the reveal
• 44:43
  I was not prepared for. I thought they had decent
• 44:46
  chemistry, but I was like, they're just, you know, they're
• 44:48
  work bubbies. They probably spend a lot of
• 44:49
  time together. And Oh my God, they're in bed
• 44:52
  together, not wearing any pants. Not Terry's answering Chris's
• 44:56
  phone. Not only that, yeah, they're
• 44:58
  they're also studying too. But you know, yeah, they're all
• 45:01
  doing the pantsless. I like this, this, this is.
• 45:05
  I like these characters. They're more fun.
• 45:07
  Yeah. And they, yeah, they get a call
• 45:09
  from fuck, what's her name? Karen.
• 45:13
  And she tells them about all the things going down.
• 45:16
  And Terry's like, OK, werewolves, more werewolf shit
• 45:20
  happening. Chris, on the other hand, is
• 45:21
  more skeptical. He's like, OK, so you go figure
• 45:25
  out what's happening down there. Get Karen.
• 45:27
  I'll follow you after. I need to pitch this half hour
• 45:30
  segment with Doctor Wagner to the big boss.
• 45:33
  Meanwhile, Karen has a realized Billy's not in their bed and she
• 45:38
  rolls over. She doesn't know where he is.
• 45:42
  We know where he is. He is having he's doing a doggy
• 45:47
  style on the beach. Oh and wait, was this before?
• 45:52
  That's pretty good. Sorry, I I want to give you your
• 45:54
  props there, but they. Oh, this is after he eats meat.
• 46:00
  Yeah, yeah, you're. Right, I did skip that.
• 46:02
  Terry shows up there and like, yeah, he's like suddenly eating
• 46:05
  meat. Like this is great like that.
• 46:06
  Terry doesn't see him eating the meat.
• 46:08
  Terry's still like on her way there.
• 46:10
  Bill has been invited to a picnic with.
• 46:12
  No, that's right. For some reason I thought Terry
• 46:14
  just like brought she. Was like food or something.
• 46:16
  She's like, oh man, I forgot Bill's veggies.
• 46:19
  Were you not going to eat vegetables, bitch?
• 46:21
  Like what the fuck? People are always so weird about
• 46:25
  that. They're like, I could never eat
• 46:26
  vegan. You've never, you've never had
• 46:29
  spaghetti like and that's not even vegetables.
• 46:33
  But yeah, vegetables, very common thing.
• 46:35
  But it doesn't matter cuz Bill is just like he's got a whole
• 46:39
  hawk in his mouth and he's just ripping at it and he goes, this
• 46:42
  is great. Fucking all of this shit, Yeah.
• 46:44
  Why haven't I been eating meat? Yeah.
• 46:46
  And then he's, he's fucking Marsha.
• 46:48
  Yeah. And then by the fire by the fire
• 46:50
  animated They they like transformed that sex and I
• 46:55
  didn't. I was confused because it seems
• 46:58
  like the big howl and then the transformation was that an
• 47:02
  orgasm? Did the orgasm into his wolf
• 47:05
  fleeness or did he is that just like a howl?
• 47:11
  It seemed pretty. I I think, I think in this
• 47:15
  moment the werewolf is a transformation for semen.
• 47:20
  Like a metaphor. Yeah, Yeah, OK.
• 47:23
  The. Howl is the ejaculate.
• 47:25
  Yeah, yeah, he's embraced his inner animal.
• 47:28
  And because he. The the snout is the pee pee,
• 47:30
  but not literally. Metaphorically, he still has a
• 47:32
  pee pee. That's we assume we don't.
• 47:36
  And that's true. I don't know the werewolf
• 47:38
  anatomy. That's true.
• 47:39
  It could all. It could be completely
• 47:41
  different. So, yeah.
• 47:43
  And everybody is howling. The whole colony is howling.
• 47:46
  This is woken up, Karen even more so.
• 47:49
  Yeah, it's it's like a big deal. So Terry finds Eddie's drawing.
• 47:55
  Yeah, she brings Eddie's drawings with her, and as she's
• 47:58
  driving along, she gets close to the colony and she recognizes
• 48:03
  this view is the same as one of the views Eddie had drawn.
• 48:06
  And as she's out investigating that, she hears Terry.
• 48:13
  I'm like a dumb dumb. She just follows that ominous
• 48:16
  whisper through the woods. Yeah, right to a house and she
• 48:21
  just stumbles on it. Yeah, and then she finds another
• 48:24
  creepy murderer room. This is also just not a good
• 48:27
  house you want to go into like that.
• 48:28
  It's like it's littered with like skinned animals outside all
• 48:32
  over the place at various types. So many times on this podcast,
• 48:37
  like especially with Wrong Turn and Texas Chainsaw, like don't
• 48:41
  go in, don't go into a motherfucker's house.
• 48:43
  Especially if you see dead animals of any kind, like that's
• 48:47
  just it's spelling a bad time. Yeah, if nothing else, that
• 48:51
  means this person has guns and you are trespassing.
• 48:53
  Yeah, like. But in this scenario, she walks
• 48:57
  in, sees Eddie's calling card :) on a room, goes in there, and
• 49:02
  then it's all when she's attacked.
• 49:04
  Yeah, it's, it's got all of his drawings.
• 49:06
  It's just. Blaming, but also you need a
• 49:09
  better plan. Yeah, it's the same setup as his
• 49:12
  apartment. It's got the drawings all over
• 49:14
  the wall. It's got the :), it's got the
• 49:16
  porn I like. To imagine every drawing he did,
• 49:19
  he did 2 of so he could have both.
• 49:23
  Yeah. Both places outfitted.
• 49:24
  I appreciate he did the thing where he signed his work.
• 49:27
  He must really believe in himself to do that.
• 49:29
  Yeah, he signed all of his artwork with his first and last
• 49:32
  name. Sorry, that was my straw
• 49:34
  squeaking. Eddie Quist.
• 49:38
  That's his full name. Eddie Quist.
• 49:40
  Eddie Quist So yeah, he's signed all the stuff.
• 49:43
  And wouldn't you know it, Terry is fucking around in his other
• 49:48
  home. So he comes out and attacks her
• 49:51
  and she ends up jumping through a window and she goes and hides,
• 49:57
  but he finds her. But she has taken an axe from
• 50:01
  like a log splitting area because we're in the woods.
• 50:03
  There's always going to be that. And she cuts off the the paw,
• 50:08
  and we see the paw turns into a human hand.
• 50:11
  Yeah, it's, it's so well done. They did a great job with that
• 50:14
  and this. Is in fact not Eddie, as we will
• 50:16
  find out later. Did we find out it's?
• 50:19
  TC cuz TC later is like look what your bitch friend did to me
• 50:22
  and he shows like his little stumpy arm.
• 50:25
  OK, see I wasn't sure if they grow back but.
• 50:29
  I feel like they probably. I assume that they do eventually
• 50:33
  grow back. They did a good job.
• 50:35
  They can. Wake from the dead.
• 50:36
  Although Eddie did come back from the dead and he still had
• 50:39
  like bullets in his skulls. Yeah, well, that's true.
• 50:42
  They did a good job making it feel like it could have been
• 50:48
  Fuck. What's his name?
• 50:49
  Bill, too. Because like, the next shot we
• 50:51
  see, he's wrapping up a cut on his arm there.
• 50:53
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:54
  And then because I thought maybe it was him, maybe he grew his
• 50:56
  arm back. I don't know, but he's walking
• 51:00
  around the house, he's got his shirt off and he's got claws
• 51:03
  like scratches on his back, and Karen is wanting to know where
• 51:08
  that came from. And he's like, probably when I
• 51:09
  was attacked the other day. And she goes, no, you don't have
• 51:11
  those scratches the other day. I've noticed Marsh has been
• 51:15
  sniffing around you and I've noticed you've been sniffing
• 51:17
  around a little back and he. Yep.
• 51:21
  What an asshole. Yep.
• 51:25
  We came back to Terry. She has found the main building
• 51:28
  of the colony and she runs in, She runs into the doctor's
• 51:31
  office and she's using the phone.
• 51:33
  She's calling Christopher. My notes look like it, says
• 51:39
  Chris Stapler. Chris Stapler.
• 51:41
  That's that's that country artist your parents really like,
• 51:43
  right? Chris Staple gun.
• 51:46
  Yeah, OK. Yeah, and he calls or she calls
• 51:49
  him, and then she's like, hey, look, like actual werewolves are
• 51:53
  here. I just got attacked by one.
• 51:55
  And then he's. Like Chris is, like you said,
• 51:57
  you're in an office, right? And she goes, yeah, he goes, is
• 51:59
  there a file cabinet? She's like, do you want me to
• 52:02
  hide in? It.
• 52:03
  Yeah, like what? Are you?
• 52:05
  He's like, no, no, look for Eddie Quist's file.
• 52:07
  So she opens up the drawer and when you know it, Quist comma
• 52:12
  Marsha. Quist comma TC your family
• 52:17
  family. Family and then I like this shot
• 52:20
  like she's pulling up the folder and then like a wolf hand just
• 52:23
  like comes down there and like takes it out of her hands that.
• 52:26
  Feels so like that is so Looney Tunes coded in a way that I
• 52:29
  absolutely love. Yeah, it was.
• 52:31
  Fun. Great.
• 52:32
  Yeah, I that is kind of nice because I like that some of
• 52:36
  these, like they have some sense of humor.
• 52:39
  Yes to it here. Now Terry is screaming into the
• 52:42
  phone that she's being attacked. So Chris calls the cops and
• 52:45
  tries to get them to come out there.
• 52:47
  So she is attacked and she is bitten.
• 52:51
  So Karen, she is so upset that Bill slapped her.
• 52:57
  And she's like, you know what? Terry's on her way down.
• 53:00
  I'm going to call Christopher, and he's going to come pick up
• 53:02
  both of us. You stay, Do whatever the fuck
• 53:04
  you want to do. So she walks into the office to
• 53:07
  use the doctor's phone. And that's when she finds
• 53:09
  Terry's body. And then Eddie comes to her and
• 53:14
  he's like, I trusted you and you betrayed me, dude, you're a
• 53:16
  murderer. Do you think she ever trusted
• 53:18
  you? No.
• 53:20
  So he, it is just, you know, basically like he's not in
• 53:24
  werewolf form, he's in human form, but like with bullets in
• 53:27
  his head and he like digs one out and I guess that like he
• 53:31
  decides that he's going to change once he gets that bullet
• 53:33
  out. That was pretty cool.
• 53:34
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 53:36
  So like this is I. Thought he was going to pull out
• 53:37
  a piece of his brain because he said I want to give you a piece
• 53:40
  of my mind and I really thought he was just going to.
• 53:42
  Like pull out a piece of. His brain.
• 53:43
  That would have been really fun. Yeah.
• 53:46
  So here is where we get the the transformation really, really
• 53:50
  well done. And then she throws.
• 53:52
  OK, yeah, I didn't know what it is.
• 53:55
  I've wrote down all my guesses here.
• 53:57
  She either throws water, liquor, acid, or holy water.
• 54:02
  Yeah, none of those really makes sense because this is where the
• 54:06
  doctor gave Bill his shot, so I don't know what was thrown on
• 54:11
  him. I assume acid.
• 54:13
  Yeah, it burns him. Yeah, it.
• 54:15
  Burns him. It's enough to distract him long
• 54:17
  enough for Karen to run out and she gets into her car.
• 54:20
  However, she cannot drive off because two men stop her.
• 54:23
  And they're like, you're just going to need to come with us.
• 54:25
  Like cops or Rangers or whatever.
• 54:27
  Yeah, I don't know. Meanwhile, while all this has
• 54:29
  been happening, Christopher has went back to the magic shop,
• 54:31
  gotten a whole case of silver bullets, and he's now on the
• 54:35
  road. I love Dick Miller being like,
• 54:37
  wait, no, I have to get those a price by a jeweler.
• 54:40
  So we we don't fully know if they're full silver until he
• 54:43
  shoots it. That's cool.
• 54:44
  Yeah, I do like that. Like is it gonna?
• 54:48
  Work. Yeah, it's funny, but also like,
• 54:50
  it introduces a bit of, like, tension there.
• 54:54
  Yeah. So Karen is now confronted by
• 54:58
  the whole colony. They have a surprise party like
• 55:01
  all organized at the barn here. Yeah.
• 55:04
  Hi Karen. Happy birthday.
• 55:06
  Not really. Here's your dead friend on the
• 55:08
  table. We're going to tell you all of
• 55:10
  our secrets. We're going to do the bad guy
• 55:11
  monologue and tell you what our plan is, and we're going to
• 55:15
  stall just long enough for your friend Chris to get here.
• 55:18
  Uh huh. Yeah, it's Doctor Wagner.
• 55:21
  Just telling her about the whole thing, Like, hey, we would
• 55:24
  really like for you to join us. He's like, listen, my whole
• 55:28
  thing is that like werewolves, like we should be able to
• 55:31
  cohabitate peacefully. We just got to control
• 55:34
  ourselves. We got to seek inner peace.
• 55:37
  You know, we, we, this is a gift.
• 55:40
  We. Can do this.
• 55:41
  He's wanting to like, she's a special case because she's
• 55:45
  famous, yes. So they don't want to just like
• 55:47
  make her go missing because people are going to go snooping
• 55:49
  around then. But Marsha says, so we need to
• 55:53
  make it look like an accident. And Doctor Wagner's like, wait,
• 55:57
  what? And it's because a lot of the
• 56:00
  people there are not happy with having to control their blood
• 56:03
  lust. Yeah, they're.
• 56:04
  Not OK with this system of living.
• 56:07
  They want to just go and eat whoever.
• 56:10
  Yeah. So Marsha's basically taking
• 56:11
  over whomever. Yeah, and she's basically ruling
• 56:15
  all of them at this point. And then they all turn on Dark
• 56:18
  or Dark on dock. Christopher arrives, he finds
• 56:23
  the scene from Terry's whole incident, and then Eddie comes
• 56:27
  and approaches So. I thought Eddie was half.
• 56:29
  Turned. I did too.
• 56:31
  I think he's burnt from the acid he's burnt from.
• 56:33
  The acid, his skin's falling off, he looks like he's
• 56:36
  decomposing but that also doesn't make sense because we've
• 56:38
  established like we're very loosey goosey with the self
• 56:42
  resurrecting powers. I see.
• 56:44
  I think you retain the damage that you had when you were a
• 56:48
  werewolf. So he got burned and and then
• 56:50
  now he's still burned. It looks like his skin is
• 56:52
  starting to putrify. Well, you know, I he had a
• 56:56
  completely different anatomy whenever that stuff happens.
• 56:58
  So whenever he's changed back to being a human, it could have
• 57:01
  affected it in really weird ways.
• 57:03
  But I like his look here. I think it's like a really
• 57:06
  interesting look. And I like his confrontation
• 57:09
  here with Christopher, like, yeah, cuz I thought he was half
• 57:11
  changed too. But yeah, he like plays a
• 57:14
  recorder because we saw before when Terry was there, he hit the
• 57:17
  record button on he wanted to record her murder.
• 57:19
  Yeah. So he plays it back to
• 57:21
  Christopher and Christopher, like he he's so cocky.
• 57:25
  He hands him a rifle. Yeah.
• 57:28
  He's like here, take your best shot.
• 57:29
  Yeah, he absolutely does not believe Christopher has silver
• 57:33
  bullets, but guess what he does? And he double taps.
• 57:37
  Good. Job Christopher.
• 57:38
  So she goes down to he goes down to the barn, follows the like
• 57:42
  retreat center path or whatever the fuck it was that he called
• 57:45
  it. And he shoots another one of the
• 57:47
  werewolves and he shoots the doctor.
• 57:49
  The doctor's the one who just gets clipped.
• 57:51
  But it he goes, oh, thank God. And then he died.
• 57:54
  I think he just placed it. Yeah, OK.
• 57:56
  This just would not be involved in the same way.
• 58:01
  Yeah. Like, everybody's like stepping
• 58:03
  up on him now. But then he like put it, he
• 58:05
  forces them all in the barn. Everybody into the barn, lock
• 58:08
  the door and then they run out to their car after they've set
• 58:13
  the barn on fire. So they are attacked by wolves
• 58:16
  once they're in the car, but they manage to get away.
• 58:18
  They shoot through the roof as you do and as they're driving
• 58:22
  out there's a cop on the road. He's kind of blocking the exit
• 58:24
  out. He's also a wolf, so he starts
• 58:26
  getting a little wolfy with them, but they shoot him and
• 58:31
  they. They're they're confronted by
• 58:34
  even more werewolf at this point, which they and.
• 58:36
  Their car has, yeah, their car has been shot, so it's exploded.
• 58:41
  They're trying to use the cop car, but the rest of the wolves
• 58:43
  are surrounding them. And they eventually get at the
• 58:47
  start. Yeah, as they're driving off, a
• 58:49
  wolf happened to get in from the top, and Karen shoots it.
• 58:54
  And it turns out that that one was Bill.
• 58:57
  So they're now they're done. They're on their own.
• 58:59
  She's like, we have to warn everybody.
• 59:01
  Yeah, so they're back in the city now.
• 59:03
  We cut to her getting prepped for being on the show.
• 59:06
  And Chris is saying, I don't know if I can do this.
• 59:09
  And she's like, we have to do this.
• 59:11
  And at first, we don't know what he's talking about.
• 59:12
  We think maybe just, like, trying to share what they saw,
• 59:15
  Like, goes for me. I'm thinking like, oh, yeah, I
• 59:18
  would be nervous to say this, too, because how are people
• 59:20
  going to believe it? Yeah.
• 59:21
  But really, as it turns out, she goes out there.
• 59:24
  She doesn't read the teleprompter.
• 59:26
  Instead, she reads this that they had prewritten together and
• 59:29
  then she transforms, she changes on air and then Chris shoots
• 59:35
  her. And so the thing that he was
• 59:36
  saying, I don't know if I can do this, was shooting his face.
• 59:39
  Which I think. Is kind of sweet.
• 59:41
  Yeah, yeah. And I forgot, I guess before
• 59:45
  Bill was the one because, like, we saw in the car after they
• 59:48
  shot him, like she had her shoulder bit.
• 59:51
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 59:51
  And then we cut to the bar. And then there's just some
• 59:54
  people. We get a lot of different
• 59:56
  people's reactions, which I really like that, too.
• 59:58
  We get kids watching like, oh, my God, mom and dad, it's a
• 1:00:00
  werewolf. And then everybody's like,
• 1:00:02
  that's not real. There's no way.
• 1:00:04
  And then at that bar, it cuts over to Marsha and she orders a
• 1:00:08
  rare hamburger. And she just witnessed the whole
• 1:00:10
  thing and. Yeah.
• 1:00:13
  She so we know that the the wolves.
• 1:00:16
  They live on. They lived on.
• 1:00:17
  Mm hmm. At least she did that one.
• 1:00:19
  Yeah. She probably like, used another
• 1:00:22
  one as like a human werewolf shield and just like burst
• 1:00:25
  through the barn doors. Yeah.
• 1:00:26
  Probably. Yeah.
• 1:00:29
  So yeah, that's how the movie ends.
• 1:00:32
  So do you change your rating after discussing it any?
• 1:00:35
  I think A7 is still correct. I think it's a it's a pretty
• 1:00:38
  solid movie. It's an easy watch.
• 1:00:41
  It's fun. I wish that we got a little bit
• 1:00:44
  more like on the front end to kind of build things up a little
• 1:00:49
  bit more because we get a lot of like nightmares.
• 1:00:51
  We get a lot of transformations, which yes, special effects work,
• 1:00:55
  You want to highlight that, but it feels like it pads the time
• 1:00:59
  in a way that like could be used to like bulk up the story some.
• 1:01:04
  For me, I wanted to to just breathe some more.
• 1:01:07
  It just felt like so many things went so fast there in the
• 1:01:10
  middle. And like I just, yeah, like we
• 1:01:13
  could have done something way better to develop these people.
• 1:01:19
  We could have had more scenes of them doing like the
• 1:01:21
  investigation instead of like jumping immediately the
• 1:01:25
  werewolves, like see that progression and then, you know,
• 1:01:29
  like have more like you were saying before of that Bill and
• 1:01:32
  Terry conflict build up will make it a little bit better,
• 1:01:35
  like have it have more of a punch whenever it happens.
• 1:01:39
  I think I'm gonna I'll, I'll make it a 675.
• 1:01:43
  South 6.875 is our final score. OK, that's pretty good.
• 1:01:47
  That's about on par with IMDb, Yeah.
• 1:01:49
  Yeah, a little bit higher, but that's normal for us.
• 1:01:52
  Yeah, OK. Who did you relate to?
• 1:01:59
  Pre werewolf bill, she's like no thanks, I don't eat meat.
• 1:02:03
  That's sweet. OK.
• 1:02:10
  I guess I would relate to, I'll relate to Eddie because of like
• 1:02:16
  I whenever I was a kid, like I would do drawings and my dad
• 1:02:20
  always told me like, put your name in the bottom corner
• 1:02:24
  initially. That way, you know which it's
• 1:02:26
  actually really cool because like I will go back and I will
• 1:02:30
  see my sketchbook and I'll see like the date that I actually
• 1:02:33
  did a drawing back in the day. And it's really cool being able
• 1:02:35
  to like look back at that type of stuff right there.
• 1:02:38
  I always sign mine just my initials and then the month and
• 1:02:42
  the year. That works too.
• 1:02:43
  I remember I did a sketch and it was like we had kind of a
• 1:02:46
  collage thing at work. And so I was like, this is
• 1:02:48
  really good. Who is TW?
• 1:02:52
  My terrible hand is gonna get me killed someday.
• 1:02:56
  Absolutely, Absolutely. If you die and you did all that
• 1:02:58
  stuff, I would get credit for some of it and I would take it.
• 1:03:02
  You would take. It.
• 1:03:02
  And that's only me. So you're a Hallmark story.
• 1:03:07
  After I die, you're the widower. And you're now you're in the
• 1:03:09
  scenario where you've got to prove that you're the artist.
• 1:03:12
  And you're like doing the live portrait.
• 1:03:13
  And you're like, yeah, like I'm changing art style.
• 1:03:18
  That's the difference between me and Jesse.
• 1:03:19
  Jesse's really good at realism. I'm not so much.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah, I can't. And I can't do cartoons the way
• 1:03:23
  you can. Yeah, like I absolutely my brain
• 1:03:27
  will not. I can't.
• 1:03:29
  I can't make a cartoon look good.
• 1:03:32
  We just. Yeah, our brains work in
• 1:03:34
  different ways. Yeah, OK, so let's do a dream
• 1:03:42
  sequel. Do you not want to know what
• 1:03:45
  Talia and how do you feel? Yeah, yeah, Well, how did Talia
• 1:03:48
  feel about this? Oh, Talia is very restless.
• 1:03:51
  I think she gets nervous when we watch werewolf related things
• 1:03:55
  because you know, she, she's worried what our reactions are
• 1:03:58
  going to be if we're going to be unduly influenced.
• 1:04:00
  I think these movies, I think she's just like worried that
• 1:04:03
  it's going to be poor representation for her people.
• 1:04:06
  Yeah, also, like Ginger Snaps has come on a couple of times on
• 1:04:09
  autoplay when we haven't been home.
• 1:04:11
  And that involves a lot of, like, dog death.
• 1:04:13
  And she's like, it's always a little bit like, am I gonna have
• 1:04:15
  to Watch Dogs die? That's true.
• 1:04:16
  So I think that this, like, this is Talia's first nightmare.
• 1:04:21
  It's like dogs out there hurting other dogs reputations.
• 1:04:25
  So yeah, I think this is scary for her.
• 1:04:28
  I think she's gonna give it a nine.
• 1:04:32
  OK, I think the Zoe's Warrior is very obvious here.
• 1:04:37
  I think it's TC. Because you can like, sniff
• 1:04:41
  everything out. Yeah, You know, like we have Zoe
• 1:04:44
  is like the hunter here. Like, go take care of that.
• 1:04:47
  You know, do your investigation. Zoe, you can do it.
• 1:04:50
  That's true. Yeah.
• 1:04:51
  I think that she would. Her and TC would have a nice
• 1:04:53
  conversation again. And also like, if you're gonna
• 1:04:55
  eat it, like if you kill it, eat it.
• 1:04:58
  Yeah. That's her mentality,
• 1:05:00
  absolutely. I don't think she, I hope she
• 1:05:03
  hasn't eaten some of the things she's killed.
• 1:05:05
  Here. Oh, she definitely has.
• 1:05:06
  Gross. Feel cool.
• 1:05:08
  OK, so now it's time for our dream sequel.
• 1:05:16
  Dream Sequel and I know that there are existing sequels,
• 1:05:19
  haven't seen any of them. No, neither have I.
• 1:05:22
  OK, so Chris is a bad shot and he misses her.
• 1:05:35
  So we we open immediately following that and you see that
• 1:05:38
  Karen hasn't died. And now let's say, oh, OK, so
• 1:05:44
  she turns the rest of the newscast into werewolves too.
• 1:05:48
  And now they've become like a werewolf propaganda.
• 1:05:51
  Then they have their whole station and it's a werewolf
• 1:05:54
  brand. Oh my God, I love that.
• 1:05:56
  Yeah, and like Marsha sees this on her TV.
• 1:06:01
  And she gets mad because the propaganda they're selling is
• 1:06:04
  different than the propaganda she wants people to buy.
• 1:06:06
  Yeah. Like, what if, like, and she
• 1:06:10
  told them about the colony. So like, we have like all these
• 1:06:12
  people swarming, they're trying to become werewolves, but she's
• 1:06:15
  like, wanting to be really selective about the people that
• 1:06:18
  become werewolves. So she's really mad about like
• 1:06:21
  them blowing up her whole thing. Yes, yes.
• 1:06:24
  So she goes to the city. Everybody's becoming a werewolf.
• 1:06:27
  Yeah, it's it's like the cool thing.
• 1:06:29
  Yeah. And like Karen's faction, like
• 1:06:31
  they're taking like applications that basically everybody's
• 1:06:37
  accepted. And then so Marsha comes in, she
• 1:06:39
  steals some of the files and it's like a reverse of like what
• 1:06:43
  happens in the first one. And like in this one, like where
• 1:06:45
  he had Chris like doing investigative journalism, he's
• 1:06:48
  now going through a attempted murder trial.
• 1:06:52
  Yes, but also just going back to Marsha sneaking in and getting
• 1:06:57
  the files this time it's like a reversal and it's like the human
• 1:07:00
  that's in there and Marsha's in there in wolf form, but she like
• 1:07:03
  rips up the files. So it's like a dog ate my.
• 1:07:05
  Whole That's good. I like that a lot, yeah.
• 1:07:08
  And then at some point, Dick Miller just says like.
• 1:07:12
  Dick Miller. Dick Miller starts his own like,
• 1:07:15
  independent radio broadcasting, but it's like under a stick
• 1:07:18
  because he's busier than ever. Oh, you know what I want?
• 1:07:21
  I want him to have like a gremlin in the shop because it's
• 1:07:28
  the magic store he would have mog wise.
• 1:07:32
  Yeah, So he like, he's busier than ever at the store, but he's
• 1:07:35
  also really annoyed because he's still like, the more people are
• 1:07:38
  like, no, werewolves are totally real, the more he's like,
• 1:07:40
  they're fucking not. But also he doesn't want to hurt
• 1:07:42
  his business. So he starts his own, like,
• 1:07:43
  independent radio show, but he's like working under a pseudonym.
• 1:07:47
  Yeah, he switches to witches or vampires instead.
• 1:07:49
  Like he like out front, like there's like clearly like a new
• 1:07:53
  lab of like wood covering the werewolf fire and it's just like
• 1:07:56
  witches. OK, there we go.
• 1:08:01
  That'll be fun. So tag on am IA wolf.
• 1:08:09
  I think I'm a wolf. Yeah, I'm probably a wolf.
• 1:08:14
  That's really hilarious for us. You're gonna have to give
• 1:08:17
  everybody the back story on that.
• 1:08:19
  It's was it? What's it?
• 1:08:22
  What song is it? Duran, Duran Duran.
• 1:08:24
  Hungry. Like the wolf?
• 1:08:24
  Hungry. Like the wolf.
• 1:08:25
  Yeah. Those are Travis's lyrics to it.
• 1:08:28
  Because am IA wolf. I think I'm a wolf.
• 1:08:31
  Yeah, I'm probably a wolf. And that is exclusively how he
• 1:08:37
  sang that song. For how long have we lived in
• 1:08:39
  this house? About four or five years now,
• 1:08:42
  OK. And you came up with that drunk
• 1:08:44
  by the pool, 2 apartments before that.
• 1:08:47
  So yes. So that's where we're living off
• 1:08:50
  alumni. So about 7:00 or 8:00.
• 1:08:53
  Years this. This tagline has been in the
• 1:08:56
  making. I think that's a good tagline
• 1:08:57
  for this though. Am IA wolf?
• 1:08:59
  I think I'm a wolf. Yeah, I'm probably a wolf.
• 1:09:05
  Fuck it, let's do. It OK cool.
• 1:09:07
  That could be another alternate tagline.
• 1:09:09
  Fuck it, let's do it. Let's.
• 1:09:11
  Do it. Yeah.
• 1:09:12
  OK, cool. Let's do some reviews then.
• 1:09:15
  All right, cool key. Let's send this thing home.
• 1:09:18
  So I grabbed a user review on IMDb.
• 1:09:22
  It's a one out of 10. It was reviewed in July of 2015.
• 1:09:26
  So from a more modern lens, Joe Dante got it right with
• 1:09:31
  gremlins. This one not so much.
• 1:09:34
  Big fan of gremlins and always heard tell of how good the
• 1:09:37
  howling was. Problem was, I'd never been able
• 1:09:40
  to get more than 30 minutes into it without something annoying me
• 1:09:42
  so badly I had to rage quit. Well, I finally got through it
• 1:09:46
  right to the end and yeah, it isn't for me.
• 1:09:49
  Not sure what the budget was on this thing, but man oh man does
• 1:09:52
  it look bad. It's shot with soft lighting and
• 1:09:55
  not enough lighting and most of the time looks like Vaseline was
• 1:09:58
  on the winds. I think it's a technique to mask
• 1:10:01
  the low budget special effects. Absolutely.
• 1:10:03
  Yes, also the famous transformation scene which I
• 1:10:06
  finally got to goes on for like 2 minutes too long and isn't
• 1:10:10
  that interesting. I prefer the rat in From Dusk
• 1:10:13
  Till Dawn. At least he doesn't mess around.
• 1:10:16
  Having recently watched ET again, I think I've identified
• 1:10:19
  my major problem with Alan. Poor Dee Wallace.
• 1:10:22
  Who else? Or who also plays E TS Mother is
• 1:10:26
  1 is on screen most of the time and she's just not a good
• 1:10:31
  actress. She's more convincing here than
• 1:10:34
  an ET, but really she just doesn't sell any of it.
• 1:10:37
  And that really pulls the picture down when your
• 1:10:39
  protagonist, your anchor and just doesn't convince you or
• 1:10:42
  draw you in. So yeah, well, probably Landmark
• 1:10:45
  in 1983. Wrong gear.
• 1:10:47
  The Howling is one I've always struggled to get through.
• 1:10:50
  Tried to force myself to like it, but at the end of the day,
• 1:10:52
  it's a movie. It's not homework.
• 1:10:53
  You don't have to like it. If I had to pinpoint the other
• 1:10:56
  main thing that frustrated me about The Howling, it would be
• 1:10:59
  that the actual werewolves don't get to do much.
• 1:11:02
  It's been so long transforming, it's like that's all they're
• 1:11:05
  good for. It's pretty funny when you think
• 1:11:08
  about it. Again, a question of what was
• 1:11:10
  possible with the special effects, but earlier films did
• 1:11:12
  more. Those frock 2/19/92, Dracula
• 1:11:15
  1931 are incredible to this day. The Howling 1983, so wrong?
• 1:11:20
  Not so much. It's funny.
• 1:11:22
  Maybe the genre just isn't for me.
• 1:11:24
  I can't think of a single werewolf movie I've liked except
• 1:11:27
  the remake of American Werewolf, and that one probably just sent
• 1:11:30
  me because I saw it at the right age in the cinema.
• 1:11:32
  Maybe there's a time for werewolves and you only get one
• 1:11:35
  chance. It's like falling in love.
• 1:11:38
  Yeah, I was actually going to say I think this person just
• 1:11:41
  prefers vampires to werewolves. That's what.
• 1:11:44
  I was saying I like the attitude of like, at the end of the day,
• 1:11:46
  it's a movie. It's not homework.
• 1:11:48
  If you don't like it, you don't have to force yourself to watch
• 1:11:50
  it. And yeah, I mean, we open this
• 1:11:52
  up talking about like, I'm pretty picky about creature
• 1:11:55
  features and every werewolf movie absolutely does not hit
• 1:12:00
  for me. And I'm definitely going to be
• 1:12:02
  more inclined towards vampire movies.
• 1:12:05
  But I think it's a difference in the types of stories you can
• 1:12:07
  tell. I do think that this one was I,
• 1:12:12
  I like that it started off with like a murder investigation.
• 1:12:15
  And I like how it ended up coming around.
• 1:12:16
  I wish we had gotten a little bit more along the way.
• 1:12:19
  Me too. That would have made this movie
• 1:12:21
  better for me. Yeah, I mean, I'm in the same
• 1:12:23
  boat. I like, I disagree.
• 1:12:25
  About Dee Wallace, though. I do too.
• 1:12:26
  Yeah. I think Dee Wallace is great.
• 1:12:28
  But I, I like how this person, like they, I feel like this
• 1:12:32
  person has a good mindset for this because they didn't watch
• 1:12:37
  it, but they didn't feel like they could do a review until
• 1:12:39
  they watched it in full, which. We have read, we have read
• 1:12:44
  reviews before. They're like, I hated this movie
• 1:12:46
  so much I didn't finish it. And it's like, well, you can't
• 1:12:48
  really. Like why are you reviewing it?
• 1:12:51
  Yeah, like, yeah, in this situation right here.
• 1:12:54
  Like, if you're going to review it, yeah, watch the whole thing.
• 1:12:56
  But you know, you don't have to, like, watch the whole thing if
• 1:12:59
  you don't want to. I've stopped plenty of movies
• 1:13:00
  myself just because I just wasn't feeling it.
• 1:13:02
  And I don't want to force myself.
• 1:13:04
  But, you know, I'm in the same boat.
• 1:13:06
  Werewolf movies just aren't really too much for me.
• 1:13:10
  And maybe I did miss my chance like this person did, but I
• 1:13:14
  think this movie did have a lot of good things going for it.
• 1:13:16
  Though, like you said, I like the investigation part in that
• 1:13:21
  killer angle would have been a lot better.
• 1:13:23
  But OK, let's go on over to our listener reviews over on
• 1:13:29
  Instagram. Missing Real, says the werewolf
• 1:13:32
  movie of the 80s. That's a lot compared
• 1:13:36
  considering they had a lot of competition in that year alone.
• 1:13:38
  Yeah, in the year alone, yeah, I do think it is definitely one of
• 1:13:42
  the like if you had to name 5 werewolf movies off the top of
• 1:13:45
  your head, it would be one of the first ones you would come
• 1:13:47
  to. Yeah, this one.
• 1:13:48
  An American Werewolf in London for sure.
• 1:13:51
  Cubesafe says the first selling is legit and I love how they get
• 1:13:54
  exponentially crazier. I'm intrigued.
• 1:13:59
  Yeah, I, we, we have a discord with friends and there was
• 1:14:05
  somebody in our discord the other day talking about the
• 1:14:10
  howling too, because it was on sale on like a movie store.
• 1:14:16
  And he described it as a Giganut.
• 1:14:19
  And I don't know what that is, but it made me laugh.
• 1:14:21
  It's like the Giganut that is the howling too.
• 1:14:25
  So apparently it's a pretty wild ride.
• 1:14:27
  I thought it was really funny all right over on blue sky,
• 1:14:31
  Johnny says Joe Dante doesn't disappoint with his entry into
• 1:14:34
  the werewolf sub genre. Love the cast of characters,
• 1:14:37
  werewolf design and investigative and report angle.
• 1:14:40
  My only criticism is that transformation in the doctor's
• 1:14:43
  office is way too long. OK, that's interesting.
• 1:14:46
  I that's two times I've seen that complaint and I wouldn't I
• 1:14:51
  thought that that was like the draw right there.
• 1:14:53
  I thought that's why a lot of people like to watch the movie.
• 1:14:55
  It's because of like the transformation and that right
• 1:14:58
  there. But.
• 1:14:59
  I yeah, I think that I liked the bubbling on the face and I liked
• 1:15:04
  hearing how it was done. But yeah, we spend like a solid
• 1:15:08
  60 seconds watching the snout elongate.
• 1:15:11
  Which I thought was, I liked it. I think that's the thing that
• 1:15:15
  suited to me right there though. Like like a special effects
• 1:15:19
  display. It's cool.
• 1:15:20
  I I'm here for it. I don't care if it took two
• 1:15:22
  minutes. And I don't know if this is a
• 1:15:24
  hot take or not, but I think that a transformation in
• 1:15:27
  American Werewolf in London is better.
• 1:15:29
  Well, yeah, I had a lot more money, like 17 times the amount
• 1:15:33
  of money. No it.
• 1:15:35
  Was it was like 5 million, right?
• 1:15:37
  Oh, wait, yeah, I'm thinking of another one.
• 1:15:39
  It was. Yeah.
• 1:15:41
  OK, almost six times the amount of money.
• 1:15:43
  Yeah, that was Wolfen that had 17 times the amount of money.
• 1:15:47
  And I'm just saying if you know you have less budget and you
• 1:15:50
  know it's affecting things like that, you don't spend as much
• 1:15:53
  time with it. And don't blame the howling
• 1:15:55
  because they had that guy. He was going to do the effects
• 1:15:59
  on this movie, but he got poached.
• 1:16:02
  He had to follow the money. Yeah, it's it's true.
• 1:16:05
  But I, I think it was, I do think it's a good
• 1:16:07
  transformation, I just don't think it's better.
• 1:16:09
  No, it's it's a valid criticism. I get it.
• 1:16:11
  I understand why people feel that way.
• 1:16:14
  And the final review half price horror says fantastic movie that
• 1:16:18
  really captures the crossroads horror was it was at in 1981.
• 1:16:22
  You've got old school horror guys like Macnee and Carradine
• 1:16:25
  who see no reason to change and a fresh young generation with a
• 1:16:29
  whole new way of doing business. That's an interesting way of
• 1:16:32
  looking at it right there. Yeah.
• 1:16:34
  Yeah, I guess you kind of. Is that like a drawing the
• 1:16:37
  comparisons with Marsha and the doctor too, at the end, like the
• 1:16:43
  clashing. Yeah, Like you get the older
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  doctor and then like the newer, like Marsha, like Neuerjin,
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  where their ideologies are clashing.
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  Yeah, I can see. That yeah, I guess that would be
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  like a running theme in the movie there.
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  That is kind of cool. OK, well, and that's it.
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  That's it for the reviews, which means that's it for this week's
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  episode. And next week, I just wanna
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  remind everybody, don't forget to pack your lawns.
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  We're finally talking about it. This is our Patreon voted movie.
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  So that's that's what we're gonna watch.
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  It is currently streaming on Hulu and Disney Plus.
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  You can also rent it from YouTube, Fandango at Home,
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  Google Play, or Prime if you are choosing to rent through those
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  services right now. It's wild to me that that would
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  be on Disney Plus. Well, it's cuz it's the whole.
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  I know thing I get it, I just will never get used.
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  To yeah, no, I remember us talking about I was like, we
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  should watch Hercules together and be like, yeah, we can use
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  Disney Plus. I was like, well, we could also
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  use Disney Plus to watch Buffy, and you're like, don't like
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  that? Yeah, it's.
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  It's, it's strange to me, but yeah.
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  We have the package so that way you can have ES.
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  Yeah, I think I get my sports. Like David.
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  Throw it on Bananarama, man. Yeah, apparently love sports.
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  Yeah, he was a huge sports fan and he was very happy to have
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  people Boo the Eagles. Yeah, he was.
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  He was at Comic Con. We did Comic Con.
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  I did. Comic Con.
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  That was fun. We met some of the Twilight
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  folks. I've got about 20 selfies of
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  Jackson Rathbone on my phone, which is really.
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  Cool. Yeah, we met like a whole crew
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  of people doing Twilight cosplay on Fresh WE.
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  Had a Twilight meet up. Kellen Lutz is a himbo in real
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  life too and I love it. Met Billy West.
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  Yeah, that was just I I literally couldn't talk.
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  I kept tripping. Over America, he was, he was
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  super cool too. He was a really nice guy and.
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  We got the last picture was Sting of the Day, and this is
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  his last year doing face paint at cons.
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  Yeah, that felt really special. And he was.
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  He was so nut like as we got there and they were was closing
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  up and we're like shit. And we started to walk away
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  because it's their job. They're closed for the day.
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  We get it. And I think he sensed child
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  Travis's disappointment from deep within.
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  And he was like, OK, I'll do one more picture.
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  Yeah, he was really nice. Yeah, So that was fun.
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  We got that shit on our social media, if you want to look at
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  that. Yeah, we got to our friend
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  Justin 3000 did a panel on indie comic book making with some
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  other indie comic book artists. That was real interesting.
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  He's cool, Yeah. You should check his stuff out.
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  bubbies know. Hey, have you you guys have your
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  stickers printed? They're in the mail envelope but
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  running into some roadblocks that are keeping me from getting
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  it mailed out, but it'll be. Once again, the postage issue.
• 1:19:43
  He did not buy very many stamps. Last time he didn't buy a full
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  book. I was on, I was at a gas
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  station. They don't sell full books
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  there. You have to buy them
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  I just, I'm wondering, you know, I'm, I'm not trying to slack on
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  That Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, You all got the last
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  Bye. It's OK.
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