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73. How Family Constellations Transformed Maia’s Health and Path to Motherhood · Constellations and all that...

• 0:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Kiona and welcome to Constellations and all that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I'm your host, Tracy Cartwright, and together we will be exploring the world of family constellations with facilitators for and clients from around the world, looking at different perspectives and experiences in the work, having a cup of tea, and just chatting with some friends around their experiences in constellations.
• 0:23
  Tracy Cartwright: We'd love for you to join us.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I hope that you enjoy this series as much as I have loved making it.
• 0:34
  Tracy Cartwright: Everyone, welcome to Constellations and all that.
• 0:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Today I have the pleasure of, um, chatting with my colleague here, Maya, who's based in our title in New Zealand also.
• 0:45
  Tracy Cartwright: So Maya, I'd love for you to introduce yourself.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Thank you, Tracy, and thank you for having me.
• 0:50
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's a pleasure to be here.
• 0:52
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Uh, yes.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I also live in, uh, New Zealand at the other island, top of the south island, but I am originally from Germany.
• 0:59
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And I lived in Switzerland, in England and London until I finally, uh, moved here, um, to enjoy the lifestyle in New Zealand.
• 1:11
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, uh, yeah, it's uh, wonderful that, uh, we connect here and there's quite a little community going on right in New Zealand family constellation into the us which is amazing.
• 1:23
  Tracy Cartwright: It's starting to grow.
• 1:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Isn't.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So you are based, um, Pickton, you were just saying sort of outside of Pickton.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Mm-hmm.
• 1:32
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 1:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Great.
• 1:34
  Tracy Cartwright: How long have you been constellating?
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  Tracy Cartwright: How long have you been for some,
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: oh, okay.
• 1:40
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Wow.
• 1:40
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's, so, uh, that's over 20 years now.
• 1:44
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Let me just recap.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, probably 23 years, I would say.
• 1:52
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It all started in, uh, Switzerland when I, um, no, it started actually much earlier.
• 2:00
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: What am I saying?
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: My first constellation was actually much earlier, probably another 15 years earlier.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Wow.
• 2:09
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Or 10?
• 2:10
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: At least 10.
• 2:12
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So, um.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I've been introduced to family consultation through a friend, uh, also colleague.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I'm a lawyer.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I was a lawyer in Germany, um, for, um, commercial law.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And my friend, uh, she was training as a facilitator with, uh, somebody in Hava, was it?
• 2:32
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, and I loved the books from Bird Helen.
• 2:35
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I read them all.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I found them absolutely amazing.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: But I ne it never clicked that it was a practical application to me.
• 2:43
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It just didn't click.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, but she was, uh, studying it with somebody, so, and I had a, that's, now I remember, see, you forget these things when they heal, it's like amazing.
• 2:55
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It, it's like gone.
• 2:56
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It, but there has never happened.
• 2:58
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So I had actually psoriasis on my hands and feet.
• 3:01
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: At that time, uh, as a young lawyer and it was, um, horrible.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It was very severe.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I couldn't walk.
• 3:08
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It was the beer flesh wow.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: On my feet.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I had to wear gloves on my hands.
• 3:13
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Very, uh, you know, wasn't good for my career at all.
• 3:16
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And painful, of course.
• 3:17
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Treatments where all lie, you know, you get a little bit better, but it never gets away.
• 3:23
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And then one day I visited her and she said, oh, why don't you have a constellation?
• 3:28
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And I said, okay.
• 3:29
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Well, I didn't know what she was doing.
• 3:32
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: We, we were, um, working with the figurine board, uh, at that time and I learned it from her later.
• 3:38
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, how to use figurine, so.
• 3:40
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: We consulate something.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I had no clue what was going on.
• 3:42
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It was something with my mother to do and an an ex lover of her I never heard of.
• 3:48
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I thought, well, that's all very weird.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Like, I don't know, six weeks later.
• 3:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So it was gone.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: My psoriasis gone.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It was all healed to never return since ever.
• 3:57
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Wow.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: As you do, and you know that when you work with clients, um.
• 4:01
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: You go, go and you enjoy your life as if it was never anything wrong.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Right.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So I, at, at that time, I didn't even connect it to the Constellation.
• 4:11
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And then, uh, years later when I met my, um, my husband, I, one, we wanted to have a family of course.
• 4:20
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, um, yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And it was, I did not get pregnant for five years.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: No medical reason as it is, you know.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And then again, she said, why don't you do a constellation?
• 4:32
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And I said, oh, now I remember.
• 4:35
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Oh my gosh.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I had one with you once.
• 4:37
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And actually I think my skin healed completely after that.
• 4:41
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: This kind of, everything kind of clicked together.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 4:44
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And I said, you're right.
• 4:45
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I should do that.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So we went there to a weekend, uh, work.
• 4:49
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Switzerland and yeah.
• 4:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, uh, lo and behold, uh, six months I was, uh, late I was pregnant with my beautiful son, which is now grown up 22 years old.
• 4:59
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Fantastic.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So I had this amazing, I had this amazing two constellations that, uh, completely changed my life and I was determined to know more, more about it.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Mm-hmm.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, um, because, uh, where I lived that time in Switzerland was very close to he there.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, um.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: In Bavaria and I was in German, part of Switzerland near Zurich.
• 5:24
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And so I started and they just launched their university study.
• 5:30
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So they have in cooperation with the university in Brussel, the Germany University, um, for, you know, for unusual topics if you were subjects.
• 5:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Okay.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: They have just created this course where you can certify with a bachelor degree.
• 5:48
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I thought, yeah, that's fantastic.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I go, I do that.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That's exactly what, that's my next step.
• 5:52
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Forget about the lawyer.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, I want to do something that is much more meaningful than that.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And then I studied and I was absolutely fascinated.
• 6:03
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I had a wonderful time.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I had some project with birds and Sophie going, um, lovely people.
• 6:10
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, he's an outstanding, he, he was, he passed away an outstanding.
• 6:16
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Spirit, I have to say.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, and I learned so much and I had to follow them over Europe traveling for their, there was not much theory, you know, there was like, he said, watch me Conservating 200 hours and you know what to do.
• 6:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And read, of course the 50 plus books that he wrote at that time, you know, and that's, that's.
• 6:40
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That's it, right?
• 6:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 6:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, uh, we had a couple of practice meetings, but that was it.
• 6:45
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And so that's what I did.
• 6:46
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Right.
• 6:47
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I followed Europe.
• 6:49
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Mm-hmm.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, um, we had some intimate, uh, sessions.
• 6:52
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: We had some huge sessions with, I don't know, 300 people in the room and Yeah.
• 6:59
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And then I, I soaked it all up and, um, gained this, uh, degree.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, um, what, since I then worked for others with it, um, very, very fulfilling work, um, very successful work for
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  Tracy Cartwright: the
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: clients.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Uh, it's wonderful to see how they just, you know, step into their life and feel less burdened and freer and make choices instead of being directed by some invisible forces And, yeah.
• 7:31
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah, so that's in the nutshell my.
• 7:35
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: My life, I have been in COVID, created family Constellation Virtual obviously, because we were all bound to the, to the house.
• 7:43
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, and I found out how super effective the work is Also online in groups and in one-on-ones.
• 7:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That was quite actually a surprise to me.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: But obviously in hindsight, why would it.
• 7:56
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Be any different because the field is definitely present, um, outside of space and time.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So logically it, it works online as much as in person.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So, so you weren't working online before COVID?
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: No, not really.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It was not really a thing.
• 8:14
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, but of course, never.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I mean, that was not existing then.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Uh, always worked in person and he also always facilitated groups.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So my one-on-one work, I really go back.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, the skills that I gained and one-on working one-on-one was from a friend there, um, who showed me how to use the figurines.
• 8:34
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And then I developed it from there, um, myself and.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So it's a family constellation.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Virtual then also came the demand, uh, of students to be, uh, like taught to facilitate.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, uh, then I realized that there's a great demand to, um, learn the method in the most authentic way possible.
• 8:57
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Because as you know, family constellation is used for many, many things.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And if you really, yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: The word the name, and if you really ask what's, what's going on there, then you find out, oh my gosh, that has actually nothing to do with what be Heer has created.
• 9:11
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Right.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So, uh, that, that was my passion because I'm very dedicated, um, disciple of Bed Heer and my, my passion to create a course that is very close to his teaching.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Mm-hmm.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Where I can convey the essence of the orders of love.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That is his finding, you know, to, to my students so they can apply it with their clients and, and it can spread the word and can survive this, um, you know, diversity that we are all exposed to.
• 9:46
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Through the worldwide web and the networking and the social connection.
• 9:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Right?
• 9:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And that is all under, um, family constellation virtual.com, a very comprehensive two years training for those who want to be certified.
• 10:01
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And then there's also online trainings with courses for those who just want to have a, um, insight in some specific topics.
• 10:10
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: That's brilliant and it's such, such a great offering, such a great offering.
• 10:16
  Tracy Cartwright: How would you, um, how do you describe Family Constellations?
• 10:21
  Tracy Cartwright: 'cause it's one of those questions, I get such a variety of answers.
• 10:24
  Tracy Cartwright: You know, we all have our unique way of saying it.
• 10:27
  Tracy Cartwright: So how would you describe it to someone that you're meeting for the first time and they ask you, what do you do?
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah, and then I said, I'm facilitating family consolation and I'm training facilitators.
• 10:39
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And then they said.
• 10:40
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: They often don't dare to ask what it is because they don't want to look after.
• 10:44
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: But, uh, yeah, I sometimes I am asked what it is, uh, from people who are really honest and interested.
• 10:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 10:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And so what I, uh, what I, uh, my, my, my short answer in a nutshell is, um, it is, uh, methodology to, uh, look at, find and heal intergenerational trauma and
• 11:08
  Tracy Cartwright: nice and easy, nice and simple.
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  Tracy Cartwright: That's
• 11:10
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: really it, right?
• 11:11
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That's it.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And everything else is how you do it.
• 11:14
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And you know, working with the morph genetic field and how is it even possible.
• 11:18
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So if somebody's really interested in family consolation, which is actually not often the case, people who are interested know about it.
• 11:26
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: But if you spark an interest just by, uh, explaining what family Constellation is in a nutshell, then I'm very happy to explain further.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And then I would explain that we are working with the field that a field is that we are all exposed to.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And in many, many fields, like we know from, uh, Rupert Sherick, um, who has as a biologist, um, uh, from the Uni Oxford, he has done lots of studies, um, with the.
• 11:54
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: With the morph field, and he has proven that animals, plants, and people, we are all.
• 12:01
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Part of many, many fields around us.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: This is the fields that hold information and, uh, in family conservation, we are working with a specific fields that are governing a family system.
• 12:14
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And what a family system is that Bert Hellinger and Bert Inger was actually working quite closely with Rupert Shere at that time.
• 12:20
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So I saw them, uh, often, uh, um, communicate and converge about it.
• 12:27
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So, um, in, in, in terms of family, uh, wounds and healing intergenerational trauma, that is where the field of the family system is at, at play, right?
• 12:38
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So this field that contains the traumatic information of a family.
• 12:44
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And the family system is a defined field.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's not what we think about a family like mother, father, children, grandchildren, and maybe the grandparents.
• 12:54
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's, it's a different system.
• 12:56
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And that's, uh, gifted by Bert Helling and his, his life work to find out who belongs, uh, to a family system, which is actually the first order of law.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And that is an important part of the work.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, that.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Hopefully facilitators are able to see the significance of it.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: You can only work with the family members of the family, otherwise, um, the work doesn't is incoherent.
• 13:23
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It doesn't.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Re any, uh, uh, inter-generational trauma, if you will, right?
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Because that is the information that is held for these family members in the morphic field.
• 13:35
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, um, the way we work is that we are resonating with this field.
• 13:40
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's a natural ability like.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Breathing.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So nothing special to learn or anything like that.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Everybody can do that right away.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, and you receive an information in form of a gesture, an emotion, a thought, it could be anything.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, and the, the experienced and the well educated facilitator is translating that.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Language of the soul into plain English, if you will, right?
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Mm-hmm.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And then we, we find this connection in past and present family members that are causing this burden that one is suffering under and using the orders of love of Bud Helena to men them, uh, in forms of adding what is missing mo most often.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, um, that is allowing the flow of laugh again.
• 14:29
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It was a generation and with this flow of love comes out the life force and happiness and freedom to the family system and to the descendants and to the future generation even.
• 14:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, so this work is also fantastic to release future children, grandchildren from any burden.
• 14:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: It's brilliant, brilliant.
• 14:52
  Tracy Cartwright: Love that description as well.
• 14:54
  Tracy Cartwright: Feel free to to say you don't wanna answer this if you don't want to.
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  Tracy Cartwright: How have you seen this, this work affect your family system?
• 15:01
  Tracy Cartwright: Like, or the, what have been the gifts from this for you?
• 15:06
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Obviously you have lovely
• 15:07
  Tracy Cartwright: sand.
• 15:08
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Exactly.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Huge, uh, huge.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: If I look back, who, who?
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I was in my twenties, in my thirties, in my forties.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I am a completely differently person.
• 15:21
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I think differently.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I feel differently.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I create differently.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I, there is no drama in my life since I started family consolation.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I'm completely not present.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I, I'm thriving.
• 15:36
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Towards freedom and happiness, and nothing seems to be in the way.
• 15:41
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Uh, for me, so I, I can create, that's, that's the objection, right?
• 15:46
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: You are here as an individual.
• 15:48
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So to create a unique life, uh, through, uh, or with the gifts that you've been given, um, to help yourself and others.
• 15:57
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: To evolve and, um, make this place a better place.
• 16:01
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, you know, help animals, for example, and, and other people and uplift them and be kind and compassionate.
• 16:10
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And that is all, that's all healing properties.
• 16:14
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And you can only do that when you're unburdened by trauma.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: If, if a soul is traumatized, there is no room for creativity.
• 16:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's, it's not, my
• 16:24
  Tracy Cartwright: ears pricked up.
• 16:25
  Tracy Cartwright: When you said to help animals
• 16:27
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: mm-hmm.
• 16:27
  Tracy Cartwright: Are you referring to constellating them?
• 16:30
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: The moment, I'm more on a day-to-day basis.
• 16:32
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I, I, for example, run an animal sanctuary and I'm a long term vegan and so I am.
• 16:37
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: You know, uh, my journey actually started, uh, my journey towards compassion started with compassion towards which now spreads with the work over to, um, uh, people.
• 16:48
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 16:48
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Compassion to people as well.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, I have not, uh, yes I do, actually I have not.
• 16:54
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Cons.
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  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yes, I have, sorry, what am I saying?
• 16:56
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I did, I did work for animals and with animals in a constellation.
• 17:01
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I do remember a few times where that was, um, fantastic.
• 17:07
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: When we work with animals in the family constellation, they are placeholders for member of the family system.
• 17:15
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Mm-hmm.
• 17:15
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: But we don't need to necessarily know who that is.
• 17:18
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: The um, the wonder, the wonder of this work is that all the challenge for some actually is that we are not using the mind a lot.
• 17:28
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 17:29
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So we are not looking for explanation for the mind.
• 17:33
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: We let the soul speak and the soul move.
• 17:37
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Towards reconciliation, towards honor and respect.
• 17:40
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That's what we allow.
• 17:42
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And the mind, as Brett would say, stays behind puzzled.
• 17:46
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 17:46
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Mm-hmm.
• 17:47
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And I like to say to my workshop participants, um, especially in the in-person workshops.
• 17:54
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 17:54
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: When you come here and we work on this day together, you leave your mind out the door together with your shoes.
• 18:01
  Tracy Cartwright: Get up on the way out.
• 18:03
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Exactly.
• 18:03
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And you slip in your shoes and you grab your mind.
• 18:07
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: After this day on your way out.
• 18:09
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, um, that doesn't mean that you are like a nu uh, zombie.
• 18:14
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That just means that you not necessarily get, uh, in a consolation enough food for the mind to think it through and to understand everything as I have experienced from my both first ex, first family consolation myself, where I understood nothing.
• 18:31
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 18:32
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: How effect.
• 18:33
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: How amazingly effectful they were.
• 18:36
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I actually prefer if the client doesn't understand what's going on.
• 18:40
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Because it's that, um, it's that intellectual, I'm trying to break it down and trying to understand it, rather than receiving it on the sole level, isn't it?
• 18:50
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Always not.
• 18:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's all.
• 18:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And if we think about family cons, constellation work not as a method to release individual, uh, burdens, but as a method to release intergenerational trauma, then we know that the client who's consulting us and you know that Tracy from your clients as well.
• 19:08
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Their messenger.
• 19:10
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: They're messenger from their family system.
• 19:12
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 19:13
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And when we work with them, we allow the family system to tell us what they want to hear.
• 19:19
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And it's not necessarily what the client came from for, right?
• 19:23
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 19:24
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: But we know that when this is healed, this family wound is healed, that the client will benefit from it.
• 19:31
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 19:31
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: In in certain ways.
• 19:32
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That is out of our hands, of course.
• 19:34
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And to fits the path.
• 19:35
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And anyhow, it's not a one one pill fix at all.
• 19:40
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Although it sometimes sounds like it when I say, oh, my psoriasis went and then I got pregnant.
• 19:44
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It feels like it, but it's still a journey, you know?
• 19:47
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I mean, there's so much more than to do.
• 19:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 19:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Have, have you come across ones where it's like you do a layer and then another layer pops up for the same one or, 'cause sometimes it's like there's a la, you've done a constellation and boom, something moves, like you say your psoriasis, and then other times it's like.
• 20:07
  Tracy Cartwright: I do a layer and all of a sudden there's something else that needs to come and it's all connected to that one thing, but it's another layer of it or another angle from it.
• 20:17
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 20:18
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yes.
• 20:18
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, that is actually the nature of the work, I would say.
• 20:23
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Alright.
• 20:23
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I like to explain it.
• 20:24
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That's another way to explain Family Constellation.
• 20:27
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: For those who are really, really interested and in a conversation, don't give up asking me.
• 20:33
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I say, well, family constellation is, uh, is he is peeling an onion as opposed to peeling.
• 20:38
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Orange.
• 20:39
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: If you have an orange here, you have one peel and you want to peel it because there's a sweet flesh underneath and you want to indulge into the sweet flesh.
• 20:48
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And in order to get there, you need to peel it.
• 20:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So here you go.
• 20:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: You peel the orange, you have the sweet flesh, you enjoy it.
• 20:55
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 20:55
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And you think that's it?
• 20:57
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That's exactly what I wanted.
• 20:58
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Hmm.
• 20:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 20:59
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: But what happened in hour later or two?
• 21:02
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: You want a new orange?
• 21:04
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: 'cause you have the desire for this orange and it's not getting away.
• 21:08
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's getting more and more is more oranges.
• 21:10
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: You eat right.
• 21:12
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: But in family consolation work, we are peeling an onion.
• 21:16
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That means the first onion layer is peeled in a conation.
• 21:20
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That's the biggest.
• 21:21
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 21:22
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And lots of tears as we know when we peel onions.
• 21:25
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 21:25
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 21:25
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And there's another onion layer underneath of course.
• 21:29
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Right.
• 21:29
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So that needs to be peeled whenever in their own time.
• 21:32
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Could be years or lifetimes in between, or immediate whatever is right for, for the family system that is gonna peel and so on.
• 21:41
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Lots of tears getting less and lesser.
• 21:43
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: The onion peel gets smaller and smaller, and then you have the last peel and what is then there?
• 21:50
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: There's nothing.
• 21:52
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Mm. The last onion peel is revealing nothing.
• 21:55
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: As opposed to the sweet orange where we want more for freedom and happiness lies where there's nothing.
• 22:01
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 22:02
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: No desire, no
• 22:04
  Tracy Cartwright: medicine
• 22:04
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: won, call
• 22:05
  Tracy Cartwright: away.
• 22:05
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Exactly.
• 22:07
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And that I love that.
• 22:09
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 22:09
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That's our, that's our work.
• 22:10
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, and I'm very, very passionate and also very, um, happy to be able to offer this work 'cause I see, um, this amazing result.
• 22:21
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 22:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 22:22
  Tracy Cartwright: And I was thinking, you said earlier that, um, you were in law.
• 22:27
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yes, I was a lawyer, yeah.
• 22:29
  Tracy Cartwright: And but not a criminal lawyer or a family
• 22:31
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: lawyer?
• 22:32
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: No, no.
• 22:32
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Uh, no, no.
• 22:33
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I was a commercial lawyer.
• 22:34
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I was working for, um, I was actually very specialized.
• 22:39
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I had actually quite a, quite a steep career in Germany.
• 22:41
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, I was specialized in franchise law and that was at that time.
• 22:46
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: At that time, it's many, many decades ago, uh, a new field in Germany, right?
• 22:52
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And it's moved, moved over from America, like, you know, McDonald's and so on.
• 22:57
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And uh, and I was a young lawyer fresh from uni and I was specializing in that.
• 23:03
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, uh, so I had the fortune to work with big companies, um, and small entrepreneurs with great ideas, and we were working together to develop.
• 23:16
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: This franchise system, uh, tailored to Germany.
• 23:19
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 23:19
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 23:21
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay.
• 23:21
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And yeah, and I wrote many books about it, and it was a fantastic, um, work and I was very happy.
• 23:30
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I was traveling a lot and had fantastic clients.
• 23:33
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Very interesting.
• 23:34
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And that's
• 23:34
  Tracy Cartwright: systemic work in itself, isn't it?
• 23:37
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 23:37
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: If you'll It's already Yes.
• 23:39
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's, it's system.
• 23:40
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 23:40
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yes.
• 23:40
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's a system.
• 23:41
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah, you're right.
• 23:42
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah, you're right.
• 23:43
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah, you are right.
• 23:45
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 23:45
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So apparently systems are drawing my attention.
• 23:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful, beautiful.
• 23:51
  Tracy Cartwright: So you are running an annual animal sanctuary now, and you are still holding, um, regular workshops in person or
• 23:59
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah, a few, because as you know, New Zealand is very, very, very.
• 24:04
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Small populated, particularly on the south island.
• 24:08
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, so together the family consolation, enthusiast from New Zealand that, uh, you know, that's, it doesn't happen very often.
• 24:15
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Uh, I have two regular workshops, uh, one here in my area in Marlborough, um, in springtime and in autumn.
• 24:23
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: One in Christchurch.
• 24:24
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That's the cap City of the South island of New Zealand.
• 24:28
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 24:29
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, um, that's where I, um, invite.
• 24:32
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Those who want to come to a day workshop and experiences in person.
• 24:38
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, and other than that, I have monthly online workshops where.
• 24:44
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Can join from, obviously from all over the world.
• 24:47
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Mm-hmm.
• 24:47
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, it's at different times.
• 24:49
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, it's all on the website.
• 24:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's a different time zone conversion.
• 24:53
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And so,
• 24:55
  Tracy Cartwright: so autumn, we're coming into Autumn now.
• 24:56
  Tracy Cartwright: So when's your one in Christchurch?
• 24:58
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, that is in April.
• 25:00
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I think I have to look it up.
• 25:03
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's um, it's on our newsletter.
• 25:05
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's not really on our website, but because it's more for the online work, our website.
• 25:10
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 25:10
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: But, um, it's, uh, we are always announcing the in-person workshops in our newsletter.
• 25:15
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That we are sending out to our subscribers.
• 25:17
  Tracy Cartwright: Hey, I better subscribe.
• 25:18
  Tracy Cartwright: I can.
• 25:19
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yes.
• 25:20
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That would be lovely
• 25:20
  Tracy Cartwright: to see you.
• 25:21
  Tracy Cartwright: That's good for people to have that, you know, like, um, yeah, I have a new, there's the New Zealand, it was a page that I started years ago that was just, yeah.
• 25:31
  Tracy Cartwright: Meant for me to share to my friends, and it is ended up going, but it's the New Zealand Family and systemic constellation page.
• 25:38
  Tracy Cartwright: So feel free to advertise on that too, because it's
• 25:40
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Oh, lovely.
• 25:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, it goes everywhere and people are, mm-hmm.
• 25:43
  Tracy Cartwright: I often get messages from people asking me, Hey, do you know when there's a constellation here?
• 25:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Or so, so that's really cool.
• 25:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 25:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 25:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 25:52
  Tracy Cartwright: I wanna come back to the animals.
• 25:54
  Tracy Cartwright: I'm curious.
• 25:54
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 25:55
  Tracy Cartwright: I asked you about if you use animals, and you said they come in as representatives.
• 25:59
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Mm-hmm.
• 26:00
  Tracy Cartwright: I have a little dog.
• 26:00
  Tracy Cartwright: She does that too.
• 26:01
  Tracy Cartwright: She comes and tells me she comes in, you know, she'll come and go blow her little nose at me.
• 26:07
  Tracy Cartwright: I'm like, what?
• 26:08
  Tracy Cartwright: She'll look at me and I'll go, oh, something drops in.
• 26:10
  Tracy Cartwright: Then you get it.
• 26:11
  Tracy Cartwright: Which is beautiful.
• 26:12
  Tracy Cartwright: But I've also done a constellation for, I say it's for the dog, but actually it was for the, for the human that the dog was living with.
• 26:20
  Tracy Cartwright: And it ended up, it just shifted a whole lot of behavioral stuff that was going on.
• 26:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Have you ever done anything like that with, with, um, your, your pictures?
• 26:29
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I have, I remember vividly a consolation in person where the issue was the client, um, you know, working on an issue, had family members represented and there was a representative.
• 26:42
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: We did not know who that was, who was, or whom there was representing, who was, um, kind of the key, uh, to unlock the secret around the trauma.
• 26:57
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, and she, the client then said, all of a sudden, oh my gosh, that's my dog.
• 27:01
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That was my dog.
• 27:03
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I said, oh, right.
• 27:05
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So what happened?
• 27:06
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And then she said she had to left her dog behind when she moved out of the country.
• 27:11
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And that, and then we, when we applied, you know, the healing movement for her to.
• 27:18
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: To fix this wound, um, that was opened up there because it was a repetitive issue in the family system.
• 27:25
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It ran, ran as a repetition in the, in the family.
• 27:29
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, then of course for her and for a family system, there was a great release.
• 27:34
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: The fear gave her the information, it's your dog, so she could connect with the situation, but the dog itself is standing for an.
• 27:45
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Ancient family member who was the first one who was left behind in this?
• 27:49
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah, in this family system.
• 27:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Right.
• 27:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So this is how family, uh, constellation also work on multiple layers.
• 27:56
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, and that's why the mind cannot, or the intellect cannot really follow.
• 28:01
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's really hard.
• 28:01
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Or when you, for example, when the client says, oh, I think that is me.
• 28:06
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Like there's a representative in three or four generations before, and then all of a sudden I think that is me.
• 28:13
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That is possible.
• 28:14
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Because the soul could incarnate of course, and it does happily into the same family system.
• 28:20
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And it's very possible that that is the case.
• 28:24
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And so the, um, the information that we receive, uh, when we work with our clients, also coming from the clients often as an insight, yeah, as a spontaneous insight.
• 28:34
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And so animals, uh, come through as well.
• 28:38
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, that, that was what I remember very vividly, how that.
• 28:42
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: How that was kind of disinformation, unraveling everything.
• 28:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Fantastic.
• 28:47
  Tracy Cartwright: I love it.
• 28:48
  Tracy Cartwright: I love how they interact and, and sometimes it's, I, there's birds like looking in the window or, you know, yeah.
• 28:57
  Tracy Cartwright: We hear, you hear something outside.
• 28:58
  Tracy Cartwright: I remember I was on a madai in, um, the far north and through this valley at a, at a distance I could see a dog and it was just like looking directly at the madai.
• 29:10
  Tracy Cartwright: And barking at us, and only myself and the client heard it and the whole nui was full of people.
• 29:17
  Tracy Cartwright: But nobody else heard it.
• 29:19
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 29:19
  Tracy Cartwright: Only her and I heard the dog and it was like, it was calling, it was doing it, you know, a cutting, a calling.
• 29:25
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 29:26
  Tracy Cartwright: And, um, yeah, it really touched her, but it was just like fascinating that only her and I heard it.
• 29:32
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 29:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 29:33
  Tracy Cartwright: So they're just amazing how they can step in and, and be part of the field so easily.
• 29:39
  Tracy Cartwright: And there's no.
• 29:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Ego, there's, you know, there's nothing stopping them.
• 29:43
  Tracy Cartwright: They'll just be in and out.
• 29:45
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah,
• 29:45
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: exactly.
• 29:46
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And that's how the representatives are also resonating with the field.
• 29:49
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: There's no ego.
• 29:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 29:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, that's also left, if you will, behind with the mind where the shoes are.
• 29:56
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 29:57
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, uh, my students.
• 30:00
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, when I work with them in the practice workshop, right, we do practice workshops, right?
• 30:05
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So I, I am not like bird heer that I just tell them, follow me everywhere and you learn.
• 30:10
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So I have a proper, uh, online, um, platform with courses, uh, where the theory is all recorded, um, with demonstration videos.
• 30:20
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Drawings and all of that.
• 30:21
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Mm-hmm.
• 30:22
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And then we have practice, um, uh, groups, right?
• 30:24
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So we gather every month, and then they, under my guidance, they facilitate and then vo for each other.
• 30:30
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And so the, so they, they learn, uh, and come into their own, own power and learn and making mistakes and correcting them and so on.
• 30:39
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, um, uh, and, and that's.
• 30:42
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Exactly what, where I, where the place where I feel like it's where you are really connecting with, excuse me, with the morphogenetic field is where you are without ego.
• 30:53
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Right?
• 30:53
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And this is why we love the work.
• 30:55
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And they say they love it.
• 30:56
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: They just love it because, excuse me, the residue of my cord, because they love it so much because they feel so uplifted.
• 31:05
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: In this work.
• 31:06
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And that's only because you're stepping out of your ego and mind and you're connecting with emotional fear, and you are in this rhyme of compassionate healing and unconditional love.
• 31:17
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And that's why we love this work now because it brings us to this place that we otherwise, in a day-to-day moment are rarely touching because we are so busy.
• 31:26
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It
• 31:27
  Tracy Cartwright: made sense to things that were happening to me for or for me, through me.
• 31:32
  Tracy Cartwright: So yeah, that was like, wow, okay.
• 31:34
  Tracy Cartwright: There's some, it's happening in front of me and I, and I know this 'cause it happens through me.
• 31:40
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, so when I first met Family Constellations, it was like, oh, I understand it, but I didn't know why I understood it, but it made sense to things that were happening.
• 31:50
  Tracy Cartwright: So it was, it's great.
• 31:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 31:52
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 31:53
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 31:53
  Tracy Cartwright: It's very good.
• 31:55
  Tracy Cartwright: Do you have, have you, you worked with Bert and Sophie obviously, um, and your friend who first introduced you to Constellations.
• 32:03
  Tracy Cartwright: Are there any other teachers or people that have influenced you in Constellations that you'd like to share
• 32:11
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: next to?
• 32:11
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, Bert Hellinger, um, who is my.
• 32:15
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Spiritual teacher and family consolation.
• 32:17
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, uh, hero.
• 32:19
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Hero if you will.
• 32:21
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I, uh, was also trained by Malcolm Southwood, Southwood Healing.
• 32:25
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, he's a spiritual healer about the same age as Bert Heener, and I was introduced to him in Switzerland.
• 32:33
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: He was working out of Basel at that time.
• 32:35
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Is English.
• 32:36
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, um, and I, yeah, embarked, uh, I was really called to do his work and I embarked on a one and a half years, um, journey to learn some methods of, um, emotional and spiritual healing and, uh.
• 32:52
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That was not even the main focus.
• 32:55
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: The main focus was the world introduced me to that lies beyond our physical life and the way that he could explain it and, um, the way he could convey concepts that I always found difficult to understand how birth and death, for example, work on a spiritual level, not on a physical level what the soul is doing.
• 33:17
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Everything, you know, that lies beyond.
• 33:19
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um.
• 33:20
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Our perception as a, as a, and that was, I mean, I was always interested.
• 33:25
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I am interested in yogic, vedic literature and the whole picture.
• 33:31
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That was always an attraction to me.
• 33:34
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, but he could actually explain it, uh, and show it even.
• 33:39
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 33:40
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So I could experience it, which is important for me because I'm not a believer.
• 33:44
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 33:44
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I, I need to experience things and then I understand them and then I can integrate them.
• 33:50
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And he was able to do that.
• 33:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And um, that was so eye-opening.
• 33:54
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And that has influenced my work hugely because when we work with.
• 33:59
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Intergenerational trauma that's well and good, but there is also individual trauma.
• 34:04
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Everybody experience individual trauma.
• 34:06
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah, yeah,
• 34:07
  Tracy Cartwright: yeah.
• 34:08
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Through birth, early childhood or even a past life that is carrying over.
• 34:13
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And I have experienced that it is sometimes hard to, um, kind of, um, go in or find the intergenerational trauma when there is an individual trauma, uh, lingering around that is kind of blocking the path and.
• 34:29
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: In order to do that, I, I also need to address that, um, uh, when I work with clients, and I also teach that in my course because it is part of the work when you want to, when you want to provide the whole path of healing for somebody, that they are also able to go through individual trauma properly, uh, to release it and with professional help.
• 34:52
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, and, uh, that is what I learned from Michael Consult and I'm very grateful for him.
• 34:57
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So that is referring to a, a rebirthing sessions or, or no.
• 35:02
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Regressions into early childhood.
• 35:05
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Or, um, or working with attached energies.
• 35:09
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um, I have actually, interestingly, I have that quite a bit and it happens in Family Constellation.
• 35:15
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So that is a very distinct movement that I see that in a family constellation and, uh, uh, that has been to do that.
• 35:23
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: This, um, either family member or the client is, um.
• 35:27
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Burdened by an attached energy, uh, that needs to be released and that we can do that actually in the family consolation.
• 35:33
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So there are some crossovers, um, that we can do.
• 35:37
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And Bert Heener has also done rebirthing in his family constellation.
• 35:43
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So a very hands on method that he learned from Irina.
• 35:47
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: I don't know whether I ever heard of her.
• 35:49
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: She is big in Europe.
• 35:50
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: She is.
• 35:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Um.
• 35:51
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: English German.
• 35:52
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: German is test therapy.
• 35:53
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's probably translated as holding tight therapy or something like that.
• 35:58
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh,
• 35:59
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: okay.
• 35:59
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Uh, so what he has done and demonstrated and, and, and, and worked with in his family consolation workshops with clients when it was appropriate was Arsing process where he was representing the mother and, um, and hold the client tight.
• 36:16
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So they could go through the birthing process with him.
• 36:19
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Uh, and that is both family consolation because you are extending the mother and also rebirthing process, which is an individual trauma, not an intergenerational trauma.
• 36:28
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: So.
• 36:29
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That's what, what, what has influenced me then?
• 36:32
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Uh, when I, when I learned with Alwood and, um, Alwood and Patel are my great teachers that I'm very, very grateful for.
• 36:40
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And they are always feel like they're always, uh, behind me and they're guiding me.
• 36:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Fantastic.
• 36:47
  Tracy Cartwright: That's beautiful.
• 36:49
  Tracy Cartwright: On that beautiful screen of you, behind you as well for those who can see.
• 36:54
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 36:55
  Tracy Cartwright: And just imagine that you are able to lean into that, that support.
• 36:59
  Tracy Cartwright: They sound amazing.
• 37:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, I know of, so the other guy sounds pretty, pretty phenomenal as well.
• 37:05
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 37:05
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, okay.
• 37:08
  Tracy Cartwright: I think we'll leave it there today.
• 37:10
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 37:11
  Tracy Cartwright: That's, it's been wonderful to have you on here, to have this time to connect with you and, um, yeah, I'll, we'll share your details on the web.
• 37:20
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, as these, as this goes out, we'll have a link to, um, to your online website and people can look up and see when these workshops are available.
• 37:32
  Tracy Cartwright: And, um, yeah, come and come and check out what you have to on offer.
• 37:37
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: But that's wonderful.
• 37:38
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Tracy, you did such a good work to bring this idea of family consolation out there with your, um, podcast and your interviews.
• 37:47
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: That's, uh, really appreciated and I'm very happy to be here with you today.
• 37:52
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It was a lovely time to spend, um, together and hopefully I see you in person.
• 37:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, hopefully that'll be lovely to see you in person soon.
• 38:03
  Tracy Cartwright: Sometime soon, I'm sure.
• 38:05
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 38:06
  Tracy Cartwright: And um, and yeah, my goal is to get, to get the knowledge out there for people to understand and for constellations to be something that, that.
• 38:15
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 38:15
  Tracy Cartwright: That everyone knows about, oh, there's an option, there's something different we can do
• 38:19
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: next.
• 38:19
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And, and they should, in Germany, they use it in schools and in prisons and, um, psychologists use family constellation and it's like everywhere.
• 38:28
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's, it's nothing.
• 38:30
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 38:30
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: You need to explain to anybody.
• 38:31
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Right?
• 38:32
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 38:32
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's a little bit different here.
• 38:34
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And in South America.
• 38:35
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Oh, it's big.
• 38:36
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And in America it's very big, isn't it?
• 38:37
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: But in East Germany it's quite big.
• 38:40
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Russia even.
• 38:42
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: It's more like we are kind of in, um, Oceania in a little bit of a, a valley of the unknown.
• 38:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 38:52
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 38:52
  Tracy Cartwright: We're getting there.
• 38:53
  Tracy Cartwright: We're getting there.
• 38:54
  Tracy Cartwright: You do, we do.
• 38:54
  Tracy Cartwright: We just keep spreading the word.
• 38:55
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Yeah.
• 38:56
  Tracy Cartwright: Awesome.
• 38:56
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, thank you so much for sharing your time with me today.
• 39:00
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Thank you, Tracy.
• 39:00
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: And
• 39:00
  Tracy Cartwright: uh, look forward to seeing you again sometime.
• 39:03
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Me too.
• 39:04
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: All the best.
• 39:05
  Maia Andrea Bahlsen: Lots of love.
• 39:06
  Tracy Cartwright: Thank you for listening.
• 39:08
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• 39:29
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