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• 0:00
  Host 1: Friday, September 11th, 2026.
• 0:02
  Host 1: You look at the calendar today and well,
• 0:06
  Host 1: that date still carries a really heavy weight.
• 0:09
  Host 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 0:11
  Host 1: But consider this.
• 0:13
  Host 1: Nearly a hundred million Americans,
• 0:16
  Host 1: that's almost one in four people in this country,
• 0:19
  Host 1: have zero personal memory of the 9/11 attacks.
• 0:23
  Host 2: Right, because they were born after the towers fell.
• 0:26
  Host 1: Exactly.
• 0:28
  Host 1: So think about where you sit in that divide.
• 0:31
  Host 1: Do you remember the exact room you were standing in,
• 0:34
  Host 1: the exact person who told you,
• 0:37
  Host 1: or is this something you, you know,
• 0:40
  Host 1: only really know from history books and old news footage?
• 0:44
  Host 2: It's a massive generational threshold we're crossing right now.
• 0:48
  Host 2: I mean, we're watching the transition of a defining national trauma
• 0:52
  Host 2: as it shifts from this visceral lived experience into an educational curriculum.
• 0:57
  Host 1: Yeah.
• 0:59
  Host 2: And the way a society processes an event,
• 1:02
  Host 2: it changes fundamentally when the people learning about it
• 1:06
  Host 2: just have no emotional anchor to the actual day.
• 1:10
  Host 1: You really see that tension playing out in classrooms this morning.
• 1:14
  Host 1: Take, uh, Trent Nettles.
• 1:17
  Host 1: He's an 11th grade AP US history teacher out in Los Angeles.
• 1:21
  Host 2: He was just a toddler on 9/11, right?
• 1:24
  Host 1: Yeah, he's 27 now.
• 1:26
  Host 1: So he's standing in front of high schoolers who weren't even born yet,
• 1:31
  Host 1: trying to teach this pivotal moment.
• 1:34
  Host 1: And he told his kids this week
• 1:37
  Host 1: that all he can personally recall
• 1:40
  Host 1: is just, like, remembering a lot of chaos.
• 1:44
  Host 2: Wow.
• 1:45
  Host 2: I mean, contrast that experience
• 1:48
  Host 2: with someone like Christina Stanton in New York.
• 1:51
  Host 1: Right, she runs those localized walking tours.
• 1:54
  Host 2: Exactly.
• 1:55
  Host 2: On 9/11, she was a 31-year-old newlywed
• 2:00
  Host 2: living on the 24th floor at 21 West Street,
• 2:04
  Host 2: just blocks from where the towers stood.
• 2:07
  Host 2: She experienced the horror firsthand.
• 2:11
  Host 1: Yeah, she actually lived it.
• 2:13
  Host 2: And today, she takes these hushed school groups on tours,
• 2:17
  Host 2: and they start outside a Burger King
• 2:21
  Host 2: that was, um, spray-painted and commandeered
• 2:24
  Host 2: as an NYPD temporary headquarters.
• 2:27
  Host 2: Her goal is to bypass the textbook entirely.
• 2:30
  Host 2: She wants to keep the raw, personal reality of that day alive
• 2:34
  Host 2: for kids visiting from, you know, places like Indiana.
• 2:38
  Host 1: Okay, let's unpack this.
• 2:40
  Host 1: Because on one hand, you have Christina
• 2:44
  Host 1: passing down this highly localized, really terrifying personal narrative.
• 2:48
  Host 1: But on the other, Trent has to teach it
• 2:51
  Host 1: as this institutionalized unit on a syllabus.
• 2:55
  Host 1: Does teaching this as objective history
• 2:58
  Host 1: risk losing the emotional reality of what actually happened?
• 3:02
  Host 1: Or is that clinical distance kind of necessary
• 3:06
  Host 1: for a society to finally understand it?
• 3:09
  Host 2: Well, the clinical distance is really the inevitable mechanism
• 3:14
  Host 2: of how a society processes profound fear.
• 3:17
  Host 1: How so?
• 3:19
  Host 2: In the immediate aftermath,
• 3:22
  Host 2: a nation operates purely on emotion and survival instinct.
• 3:26
  Host 2: But over 25 years, that initial fear crystallizes.
• 3:30
  Host 2: It turns into permanent bureaucracy and physical infrastructure.
• 3:34
  Host 1: Like the airport.
• 3:37
  Host 2: Right, the TSA checkpoints you stand in
• 3:40
  Host 2: are basically fossilized fear.
• 3:43
  Host 2: The ongoing congressional battles over warrantless surveillance laws
• 3:47
  Host 2: are the legal remnants of that morning.
• 3:49
  Host 2: We could even trace modern conspiracy culture back to this threshold.
• 3:54
  Host 1: Wait, really, conspiracy culture?
• 3:57
  Host 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 3:59
  Host 2: The post-9/11 mistrust of the government's official narratives,
• 4:03
  Host 2: especially regarding the intelligence failures
• 4:06
  Host 2: and then the subsequent Iraq War...
• 4:09
  Host 2: It lay the psychological groundwork.
• 4:12
  Host 1: Oh, I see.
• 4:14
  Host 2: Once the public broadly accepted that officialdom could be wrong,
• 4:19
  Host 2: or even deceptive about something that massive,
• 4:22
  Host 2: it created the blueprint for the conspiracy theories we see today
• 4:26
  Host 2: about, well, everything from elections to public health.
• 4:29
  Host 1: So it was this huge psychological shift inward,
• 4:33
  Host 1: paired with a massive foreign policy shift outward.
• 4:37
  Host 1: I mean, the geopolitical map was entirely redrawn in the wake of 9/11.
• 4:41
  Host 2: Entirely.
• 4:43
  Host 1: Which kind of laid the tracks for the escalating security challenges
• 4:47
  Host 1: we're facing this morning in the Middle East.
• 4:50
  Host 1: Let's look at Iran,
• 4:53
  Host 1: because they are actively eroding the achievements of the war
• 4:56
  Host 1: the US and Israel waged against them earlier this year.
• 5:00
  Host 2: Yeah, the February 28th strikes.
• 5:03
  Host 2: Those were intended to heavily dismantle Tehran's missile capabilities.
• 5:07
  Host 1: Right.
• 5:09
  Host 2: But intelligence now shows
• 5:12
  Host 2: Iran has resumed producing ballistic missiles at a startling pace.
• 5:15
  Host 2: They are operating in deeply fortified underground facilities,
• 5:19
  Host 2: specifically the Khojir site in southeastern Iran.
• 5:22
  Host 2: And they're utilizing stockpiled components they somehow managed to hide.
• 5:27
  Host 1: It's like they've shifted from operating a massive, easy-to-bomb
• 5:32
  Host 1: forward manufacturing plant on the surface
• 5:35
  Host 1: to operating a thousand tiny underground chop shops.
• 5:38
  Host 2: That's a great way to look at it.
• 5:41
  Host 1: You strike the visible industrial center,
• 5:44
  Host 1: but the supply chain just retreats into the dark,
• 5:47
  Host 1: they just assemble pre-existing parts
• 5:50
  Host 1: where satellites literally can't see them.
• 5:53
  Host 2: Exactly.
• 5:55
  Host 2: And the distinction in what they are building in those chop shops
• 5:59
  Host 2: is really crucial.
• 6:02
  Host 2: They're assembling both liquid-propellant and solid-propellant missiles.
• 6:05
  Host 1: Okay, what's the difference there?
• 6:08
  Host 2: Well, the mechanics of those two weapons dictate the entire pace of this conflict.
• 6:12
  Host 2: Liquid-propellant missiles are volatile.
• 6:16
  Host 2: They have to be fueled right before launch,
• 6:19
  Host 2: which requires hours of staging above ground.
• 6:22
  Host 1: Which makes them sitting ducks.
• 6:24
  Host 2: Right, they're highly vulnerable to US satellite detection
• 6:28
  Host 2: and preemptive strikes.
• 6:30
  Host 1: Yeah.
• 6:32
  Host 2: But solid-propellant missiles...
• 6:35
  Host 2: the fuel is baked right in.
• 6:38
  Host 1: Oh, wow.
• 6:39
  Host 2: Yeah, they can be stored deep underground,
• 6:43
  Host 2: rolled out, and fired almost instantly.
• 6:46
  Host 1: Hmm.
• 6:48
  Host 2: So by moving assembly underground and focusing on solid fuels,
• 6:51
  Host 2: Iran is turning this into a grueling war of attrition.
• 6:55
  Host 2: They're pitting a protected, steady supply of these weapons
• 6:59
  Host 2: against the shrinking, incredibly expensive stockpiles
• 7:04
  Host 2: of US and regional missile interceptors.
• 7:07
  Host 1: And the instability isn't just confined to those underground tunnels either.
• 7:11
  Host 1: We're seeing Iran-backed Houthi militants
• 7:14
  Host 1: making massive, highly visible moves on the ground in Yemen right now.
• 7:18
  Host 2: Yeah, they've just seized the strategic Red Sea port city of Mokha.
• 7:22
  Host 1: Pushing out forces allied with the Saudi-backed Yemeni government.
• 7:26
  Host 2: Exactly.
• 7:27
  Host 2: They're driving pickup trucks through the streets,
• 7:31
  Host 2: flying their flags, demanding to be recognized
• 7:34
  Host 2: as Yemen's legitimate government.
• 7:36
  Host 1: So if we connect this to the bigger picture,
• 7:40
  Host 1: why does Mokha matter so much?
• 7:42
  Host 2: Well, Mokha isn't just a dot on a map,
• 7:46
  Host 2: it sits right on the Bab el-Mandeb Strait.
• 7:49
  Host 2: If you control that port,
• 7:51
  Host 2: you basically hold a knife to the throat of global shipping.
• 7:55
  Host 1: Because of the energy exports.
• 7:57
  Host 2: Right, a massive percentage of the world's energy exports
• 8:01
  Host 2: flows through that narrow maritime chokepoint.
• 8:04
  Host 2: So seizing this specific infrastructure
• 8:07
  Host 2: isn't just a local territorial victory for the Houthis,
• 8:11
  Host 2: it is a calculated move to gain the leverage necessary
• 8:14
  Host 2: to threaten global energy markets directly.
• 8:18
  Host 1: And when you hold a knife to the throat of global shipping,
• 8:21
  Host 1: energy markets panic.
• 8:23
  Host 1: And those ripples hit American wallets almost immediately.
• 8:27
  Host 2: Instantly, yeah.
• 8:29
  Host 1: I'm seeing headlines this morning about crude oil surging,
• 8:33
  Host 1: but the financial pages quickly pivot from oil straight to the bond market.
• 8:37
  Host 1: Connect those dots for me,
• 8:39
  Host 1: because going from a barrel of crude to a spike in US Treasury yields
• 8:44
  Host 1: feels like a massive leap.
• 8:46
  Host 2: It does, but the connecting mechanism there is inflation.
• 8:50
  Host 2: This morning, oil prices hit $102.48 a barrel.
• 8:54
  Host 1: Yeah.
• 8:56
  Host 2: When energy gets that expensive,
• 8:59
  Host 2: the cost to manufacture and transport literally every single product goes up.
• 9:03
  Host 2: And that signals to investors that inflation is going to stick around.
• 9:07
  Host 1: So they want better returns.
• 9:09
  Host 2: Exactly.
• 9:11
  Host 2: To protect their money from inflation,
• 9:15
  Host 2: investors demand a higher return on government bonds.
• 9:18
  Host 2: As a result, we're currently watching the 10-year Treasury note
• 9:23
  Host 2: sit on the brink of 5%.
• 9:25
  Host 2: And to put the severity of that in context,
• 9:29
  Host 2: that has only happened one other time
• 9:32
  Host 2: since the 2008, 2009 financial crisis.
• 9:35
  Host 1: Which means the baseline cost of borrowing money in America is just skyrocketing.
• 9:39
  Host 1: I mean, the 10-year Treasury yield is the foundation
• 9:42
  Host 1: that every bank uses to price their own loans.
• 9:46
  Host 2: Right.
• 9:48
  Host 2: If the government has to pay 5% to borrow money,
• 9:51
  Host 2: your bank is going to charge you significantly more than that for a mortgage.
• 9:55
  Host 1: And the casualties are already visible in the housing data.
• 9:59
  Host 1: US home sales just tumbled 2% in August,
• 10:02
  Host 1: hitting their lowest level in over a year.
• 10:05
  Host 2: The entire housing market is effectively hobbled.
• 10:08
  Host 2: Because everyday buyers simply cannot afford the monthly payments
• 10:12
  Host 2: on a 7 or 8% mortgage.
• 10:15
  Host 2: And those rates are entirely driven by those surging Treasury yields.
• 10:19
  Host 1: What's wild is that the bond sell-off isn't just a reaction
• 10:23
  Host 1: to Houthi militants in the Red Sea.
• 10:25
  Host 1: Domestic political promises are pouring gasoline on these deficit fears.
• 10:30
  Host 2: Oh, you mean the Trump proposal.
• 10:32
  Host 1: Yeah, former President Trump just made this massive campaign pledge.
• 10:36
  Host 1: He's calling it a $5,000 Trump Dividend.
• 10:40
  Host 1: He is promising a literal $5,000 check
• 10:43
  Host 1: to every American adult
• 10:45
  Host 1: if the Republican Party retains control of Congress in the November midterms.
• 10:49
  Host 2: A promise of that scale would add more than a trillion dollars
• 10:53
  Host 2: to the federal deficit instantly.
• 10:56
  Host 1: A trillion dollars?
• 10:58
  Host 2: Yeah.
• 11:00
  Host 2: And when the government runs a deficit,
• 11:03
  Host 2: it has to issue more bonds to cover the shortfall.
• 11:07
  Host 2: A flood of new bonds hitting the market
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  Host 2: means the government has to offer even higher interest rates
• 11:15
  Host 2: to convince investors to buy them all.
• 11:18
  Host 2: So a trillion-dollar promise
• 11:20
  Host 2: directly pushes those mortgage-killing yields even higher.
• 11:25
  Host 1: And the backlash has been pretty swift,
• 11:28
  Host 1: even from within the party, right?
• 11:30
  Host 2: It has.
• 11:32
  Host 2: GOP donor Joe Lonsdale, he's the co-founder of Palantir,
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  Host 2: he publicly dismissed the dividend idea as a, quote,
• 11:40
  Host 2: "bread and circus bribe."
• 11:42
  Host 1: Wait, I have to push back on the legal defense
• 11:45
  Host 1: I'm seeing for this, though.
• 11:48
  Host 1: You have experts,
• 11:49
  Host 1: like UCLA law professor Rick Hasen,
• 11:52
  Host 1: claiming this proposal is protected by the First Amendment.
• 11:57
  Host 2: Right, he compares it to promising to cut taxes or secure Medicare for all.
• 12:00
  Host 1: But how is handing out literal conditional cash,
• 12:04
  Host 1: tied directly to a vote,
• 12:06
  Host 1: legally the same as proposing broad public policy?
• 12:10
  Host 1: One is a structural economic change,
• 12:13
  Host 1: and the other just sounds like a direct transaction.
• 12:16
  Host 2: Well, the legal argument hinges on the fact
• 12:20
  Host 2: that the candidate isn't handing out their personal money in exchange for a specific ballot.
• 12:24
  Host 1: Oh, because it comes from the government.
• 12:27
  Host 2: Exactly.
• 12:29
  Host 2: Because the dividend would require an act of Congress,
• 12:32
  Host 2: and would be distributed from the federal treasury to the general public,
• 12:37
  Host 2: courts broadly interpret it as a policy proposal.
• 12:40
  Host 2: No matter how transactional the rhetoric sounds.
• 12:43
  Host 2: It highlights this fascinating gray area in campaign finance law,
• 12:47
  Host 2: where the sheer scale of a promise transforms it from a bribe into a platform.
• 12:51
  Host 1: A multi-trillion dollar platform being broadcast from the top of the ticket.
• 12:55
  Host 1: Which creates a really bizarre dynamic on the ground.
• 12:58
  Host 2: Oh, definitely.
• 13:01
  Host 1: You look at the Republican midterm convention currently happening in Dallas.
• 13:05
  Host 1: They're calling it Trump-a-palooza.
• 13:07
  Host 2: Mm-hmm.
• 13:09
  Host 1: MAGA hats, bedazzled jackets,
• 13:12
  Host 1: photos of the former president plastered everywhere.
• 13:16
  Host 1: Trump is telling voters to pretend he's on the ballot just one more time.
• 13:21
  Host 1: But if you look closely at down-ballot Republicans
• 13:24
  Host 1: fighting in tight, competitive races,
• 13:27
  Host 1: they are quietly scrubbing him from their campaigns.
• 13:30
  Host 2: The divergence is incredibly stark in places like California.
• 13:35
  Host 2: Representative Young Kim in Orange County is locked in this brutal intra-party fight with Ken Calvert.
• 13:39
  Host 1: She actually changed her website, right?
• 13:41
  Host 2: She did.
• 13:43
  Host 2: She has actively removed banners from her website
• 13:47
  Host 2: that touted her as a fighter for the America First agenda and President Trump.
• 13:51
  Host 2: David Valadao, running in a heavy Latino district,
• 13:54
  Host 2: is making similar distancing moves.
• 13:57
  Host 2: And several candidates in Texas,
• 14:00
  Host 2: along with Senate hopefuls in Alaska and Maine,
• 14:03
  Host 2: they just skipped the Dallas convention entirely
• 14:07
  Host 2: to avoid being tied to the national messaging.
• 14:10
  Host 1: It's the classic fast-food franchise dilemma.
• 14:13
  Host 2: How do you mean?
• 14:15
  Host 1: Well, the CEO sitting at corporate headquarters
• 14:18
  Host 1: wants one massive, uniform national ad campaign
• 14:23
  Host 1: because it elevates the overarching brand.
• 14:26
  Host 1: But the local franchise owners on the street know
• 14:28
  Host 1: that to survive the specific demographics of their neighborhood,
• 14:32
  Host 1: they need to offer a completely different menu.
• 14:35
  Host 2: That's a perfect analogy.
• 14:37
  Host 2: The tension is severe,
• 14:40
  Host 2: the top-of-the-ticket figurehead demands absolute loyalty
• 14:44
  Host 2: and pulls the party's image toward these base-pleasing extremes.
• 14:48
  Host 2: But candidates possess a localized survival instinct.
• 14:51
  Host 2: They know their specific district's tolerance levels way better than national strategists do.
• 14:56
  Host 1: And the national messaging coming out of Dallas is highly aggressive.
• 15:00
  Host 1: The convention speakers aren't really running on the past
• 15:04
  Host 1: legislative successes of the Trump administration.
• 15:07
  Host 1: They're laser-focused on framing the Democratic Party
• 15:10
  Host 1: as an existential threat to American life.
• 15:13
  Host 2: Yeah, they're using words like "evil," "communists," "anarchists."
• 15:17
  Host 2: Representative Steve Scalise explicitly called it
• 15:20
  Host 2: a Bolshevik revolution in the Democratic Party.
• 15:23
  Host 2: They are actively choosing the fear of a socialist takeover
• 15:26
  Host 2: as their primary midterm weapon.
• 15:29
  Host 1: Yet even as local candidates try to insulate themselves
• 15:32
  Host 1: from that intense rhetoric,
• 15:34
  Host 1: Trump's grip on the party's internal machinery remains incredibly tight.
• 15:38
  Host 2: I saw he was making calls at dawn.
• 15:40
  Host 1: Yes. Following a two-hour speech Wednesday night,
• 15:44
  Host 1: Trump was awake and calling Vice President JD Vance
• 15:47
  Host 1: at 6:00 a.m. on Thursday in his hotel room
• 15:50
  Host 1: to micromanage speeches and dictate upcoming electoral strategy.
• 15:54
  Host 2: The irony is that while politicians pour millions
• 15:58
  Host 2: into testing these aggressive messages,
• 16:01
  Host 2: the actual literal boundaries of the electoral map they are fighting over
• 16:05
  Host 2: are in a state of total chaos.
• 16:07
  Host 1: Oh, they're redistricting mess.
• 16:10
  Host 2: Exactly. Let's head to Missouri,
• 16:12
  Host 2: where the Supreme Court has just stepped in for a second time
• 16:15
  Host 2: to block a GOP-drawn congressional map.
• 16:19
  Host 2: The legal mechanics of this dispute are just dizzying.
• 16:23
  Host 2: This map, originally drawn in President Trump's urging mid-cycle,
• 16:27
  Host 2: was designed to crack a Democratic-held district in Kansas City,
• 16:30
  Host 2: spreading those voters out to give Republicans a distinct advantage
• 16:34
  Host 2: in seven of the state's eight House districts.
• 16:37
  Host 1: But there was pushback.
• 16:39
  Host 2: Massive pushback.
• 16:41
  Host 2: A grassroots coalition gathered enough signatures
• 16:45
  Host 2: to mandate a public vote on whether to accept the new map.
• 16:48
  Host 2: Then, the Republican Secretary of State
• 16:52
  Host 2: attempted to block that ballot measure from moving forward.
• 16:55
  Host 1: And the courts got involved.
• 16:58
  Host 2: Right. The state Supreme Court ultimately ruled
• 17:02
  Host 2: the public vote must proceed,
• 17:04
  Host 2: and as a result, the US Supreme Court
• 17:07
  Host 2: has temporarily suspended the new map entirely.
• 17:11
  Host 1: Okay, logistically this sounds impossible.
• 17:14
  Host 1: We are weeks away from a general election
• 17:17
  Host 1: that could determine control of the House of Representatives.
• 17:20
  Host 1: They already ran their August primaries
• 17:24
  Host 1: using the new, now-blocked map.
• 17:26
  Host 1: How does a state legally or practically run an election
• 17:29
  Host 1: when the district lines are suspended?
• 17:31
  Host 2: It creates an absolute administrative nightmare for county clerks.
• 17:35
  Host 2: Missouri's Secretary of State is now scrambling,
• 17:38
  Host 2: directing local authorities to revert
• 17:41
  Host 2: to the older 2022 map.
• 17:44
  Host 1: Which means the lines change again.
• 17:46
  Host 2: Yeah. Holding a general election with different boundaries than the primary
• 17:51
  Host 2: means thousands of voters suddenly find themselves in different districts,
• 17:55
  Host 2: voting for candidates they didn't even nominate.
• 17:58
  Host 2: It vividly proves that elections aren't just won on debate stages,
• 18:12
  Host 2: they are won in the arcane plumbing of the system.
• 18:14
  Host 2: The literal definitions of where the lines are drawn.
• 18:18
  Host 1: And the plumbing goes even deeper than where the lines are drawn.
• 18:22
  Host 1: It's about who is legally counted inside those lines to begin with.
• 18:25
  Host 1: Looking ahead to the 2030 census,
• 18:28
  Host 1: the Trump administration has proposed radical changes
• 18:32
  Host 1: to the mathematical foundation of American democracy.
• 18:35
  Host 2: The administration is proposing an overhaul
• 18:39
  Host 2: that would exclude non-citizens without green cards
• 18:42
  Host 2: from the official population count.
• 18:45
  Host 1: Which is a huge distinction.
• 18:47
  Host 2: Huge. This goes far beyond just undocumented immigrants.
• 18:51
  Host 2: It actively excludes people who are living in the US legally, paying taxes,
• 18:55
  Host 2: but who haven't yet secured permanent residency.
• 18:58
  Host 2: Furthermore, the proposal seeks to eliminate questions
• 19:02
  Host 2: regarding race, ethnicity, and sexual orientation entirely.
• 19:05
  Host 1: Break down the apportionment mechanism here.
• 19:08
  Host 1: Why does removing those specific populations from the census
• 19:12
  Host 1: fundamentally shift power in Washington?
• 19:15
  Host 2: Because the census isn't just a demographic snapshot,
• 19:18
  Host 2: it is the formula used for apportionment.
• 19:21
  Host 2: The process of dividing the 435 seats in the House of Representatives
• 19:25
  Host 2: among the 50 states.
• 20:28
  Host 1: And it decides the money.
• 20:30
  Host 2: Exactly, it dictates how billions in federal funding are distributed.
• 20:34
  Host 2: If you legally erase non-citizens without green cards from the count,
• 20:38
  Host 2: areas with higher immigrant populations, which historically lean Democratic,
• 20:42
  Host 2: will mathematically lose population on paper.
• 20:45
  Host 1: So they lose influence.
• 20:47
  Host 2: Right. That results in those states losing congressional seats,
• 20:51
  Host 2: electoral college votes, and federal resources,
• 20:54
  Host 2: transferring that power to states with different demographics.
• 20:57
  Host 2: It demonstrates how administrative rule-making can fundamentally alter the balance of power,
• 21:02
  Host 2: without a single piece of legislation being passed.
• 21:04
  Host 1: Speaking of fundamental shifts,
• 21:07
  Host 1: regulators in Washington are suddenly realizing
• 21:10
  Host 1: that the most dangerous power structures they need to govern right now
• 21:14
  Host 1: don't have physical borders or district lines at all.
• 21:18
  Host 1: The tech world is redrawing jurisdiction entirely with the current AI boom,
• 21:21
  Host 1: and Congress is terrified.
• 21:24
  Host 2: The influx of capital is just staggering right now.
• 21:27
  Host 2: Oracle shares just jumped 7%,
• 21:30
  Host 2: solely because their cloud infrastructure sales, which power AI, more than doubled.
• 21:34
  Host 1: And then there's Positron.
• 21:36
  Host 2: Right. Positron, a chip startup designing hardware to run AI models faster.
• 21:39
  Host 2: They just raised $875 million,
• 21:42
  Host 2: valuing the company at $5 billion.
• 21:45
  Host 1: But all this financial euphoria is colliding
• 21:48
  Host 1: with a profound panic in DC.
• 21:50
  Host 1: A departing researcher from the AI lab Anthropic released a viral warning this week,
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  Host 1: asserting that these labs are building neural networks
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  Host 1: they fundamentally do not understand and will eventually be unable to control.
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  Host 2: Which has sparked a surprisingly bipartisan reaction.
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  Host 1: Yeah. So, what does this all mean?
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  Host 1: You have Representative Khanna pushing for a brand new federal regulatory agency specifically for AI,
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  Host 1: and he is championing the idea of mandated kill switches.
• 22:15
  Host 1: But how do you put a kill switch on a piece of math?
• 22:18
  Host 1: If an AI model is decentralized or open-source,
• 22:21
  Host 1: it's not like unplugging a server.
• 22:23
  Host 2: The mechanism of a kill switch for a neural network is incredibly complex.
• 22:28
  Host 2: But the rhetoric itself signifies a paradigm shift.
• 22:31
  Host 2: Regulators are no longer treating AI like it's a new social media app
• 22:35
  Host 2: where the worst-case scenario is data theft.
• 22:38
  Host 1: They're treating it differently now.
• 22:40
  Host 2: Much differently.
• 22:42
  Host 2: They are starting to treat AI infrastructure like a nuclear reactor.
• 22:46
  Host 2: The theory behind a kill switch involves
• 22:49
  Host 2: mandating hardware-level controls on the physical chips,
• 22:53
  Host 2: like the ones Positron makes,
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  Host 2: or requiring cryptographic keys that can completely revoke access
• 23:00
  Host 2: to a model's foundational weights.
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  Host 1: So they really see it as an existential thing.
• 23:06
  Host 2: The fact that Congress is debating civilization-level fail-safes
• 23:09
  Host 2: shows they view this as a massive security threat,
• 23:12
  Host 2: not just a passing tech trend.
• 23:15
  Host 1: But of course, wherever you find congressional panic and sweeping regulation,
• 23:19
  Host 1: you also find massive hypocrisy.
• 23:22
  Host 1: Take conservative podcaster Katie Miller.
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  Host 1: Over the last nine months, she has posted nearly 500 times
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  Host 1: attacking AI models like ChatGPT and Claude.
• 23:31
  Host 1: She tells her audience they have a baked-in liberal bias,
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  Host 1: that they threaten democracy, that they endanger children.
• 23:38
  Host 2: Right. But what she intentionally omitted from those 500 posts
• 23:42
  Host 2: is her own financial leverage.
• 23:44
  Host 1: Always follow the money.
• 23:47
  Host 2: Always.
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  Host 2: A mandatory financial disclosure,
• 23:52
  Host 2: which was only triggered because her husband serves as the White House Deputy Chief of Staff,
• 23:57
  Host 2: revealed that Miller holds a significant stake, over a million dollars,
• 24:00
  Host 2: in Elon Musk's rival AI company, xAI.
• 24:04
  Host 1: She claims her anti-ChatGPT posts
• 24:07
  Host 1: have nothing to do with her million-dollar stock portfolio.
• 24:11
  Host 1: But it perfectly illustrates how the public war over AI safety
• 24:15
  Host 1: is often just a proxy war for market share.
• 24:18
  Host 2: It also highlights a glaring contradiction.
• 24:22
  Host 2: The government is desperately trying to figure out how to put a kill switch
• 24:25
  Host 2: on borderless, decentralized artificial intelligence,
• 24:29
  Host 2: yet our traditional law enforcement agencies are currently failing
• 24:33
  Host 2: to manage the borderless, decentralized technologies we already have.
• 24:37
  Host 1: Which brings us to the incredible story of Nivi Kohl out of California.
• 24:40
  Host 1: Back in 2022, Kohl lost over $8 million
• 24:43
  Host 1: in a sophisticated cryptocurrency scam.
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  Host 1: Most people would file a police report and just, you know, accept the devastating loss.
• 24:50
  Host 2: Right, because usually that money is gone forever.
• 24:53
  Host 1: Exactly.
• 24:55
  Host 1: But Nivi Kohl quit her job as a legal consultant and spent years teaching herself forensic digital accounting.
• 24:59
  Host 1: When US law enforcement told her the money was gone, she traced the digital ledgers herself.
• 25:03
  Host 1: She tracked her stolen crypto to a shadow economy in Turkey,
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  Host 1: and filed a legal claim in their jurisdiction.
• 25:10
  Host 2: And the most surprising part is that her unilateral crusade actually worked.
• 25:14
  Host 2: In 2023, a Turkish court validated her evidence
• 25:16
  Host 2: and ordered the seizure of a digital wallet holding over $100 million.
• 25:20
  Host 1: So she was going to get it back.
• 25:23
  Host 2: She was on the verge of finally being repaid from those seized funds.
• 25:26
  Host 2: But before the distribution could happen, a completely unexpected entity blocked her.
• 25:30
  Host 1: Her own government.
• 25:32
  Host 1: Right as the Turkish court prepared to release the funds,
• 25:36
  Host 1: US law enforcement swooped in, claimed jurisdiction,
• 25:40
  Host 1: and took custody of that exact wallet,
• 25:43
  Host 1: along with other crypto holdings totaling $225 million.
• 25:46
  Host 1: The United States government seized the money,
• 25:49
  Host 1: and Kohl is now frozen out of her own recovered funds,
• 25:53
  Host 1: locked in a brutal legal battle with the DOJ to get her stolen property back.
• 25:58
  Host 2: It is a staggering reality check regarding jurisdiction in the 21st century.
• 26:01
  Host 1: It is, and it's the thought we want to leave you to mull over today.
• 26:05
  Host 1: We live in an era where an individual citizen can sit in her living room,
• 26:08
  Host 1: teach herself to decode a decentralized blockchain,
• 26:11
  Host 1: and successfully track down a ring of international cybercriminals on the other side of the planet.
• 26:16
  Host 1: Yet the final, insurmountable obstacle to actually achieving justice
• 26:19
  Host 1: wasn't the anonymous hackers, it was the bureaucracy of her own government.
• 26:23
  Host 2: What does justice even look like in a borderless digital economy?
• 26:26
  Host 1: It remains an entirely uncharted map.
• 26:29
  Host 1: Thank you for joining us for this deep dive into today's news,
• 26:33
  Host 1: we will catch you next time.