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Talks to Si Hart about his choice of Time and the Rani (2/4) LIVE · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None. A hamster with a blunt.
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  Pen knife for doing quicker, quicker, quicker.
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  Just to answer Luke's question, Yeah, Yes, Luke, we're doing all
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  four episodes. We're going to skip into episode
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  2 anytime now. So Simon, do you want to give me
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  a count in and ask for Episode 2?
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  Right. OK, in 54321, let's go.
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  Hang on, have you just started the episode?
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  No. No, no, I've not started the
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  episode. Welcome back to our Harvester
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  with a Blood Pen Knife, the Doctor Who Commentary podcast
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  where we are here to talk about episode 2 of Time in the Rani.
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  We probably should have warned people because they probably
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  just press play on their episodes.
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  So press play. Rewind back to the start of
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  episode 2. Sigh.
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  Time in the Rani. Yeah, well.
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  Oh my God, look at this. Anthony Carroll.
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  I've re evaluated. He's gone.
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  He's gone from three out of 10 to two out of 10, you bastard.
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  Anthony, Anthony, Anthony Anthony.
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  Let's see if we can get it up to A4 for him by the end of the
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  this commentary. And that Sarka get Tom Newsome
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  went. That was seamless.
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  Welcome to behind the scenes of a hamster with a blunt pen
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  knife. Alex Hargrave says all hail
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  season 17. Definitely, Yes.
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  Well, Alex, you know, I love it as much as you do.
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  So. So, yeah.
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  So when did you first see this one, Joan?
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  The VHS that came out it was paired with Mark Oderani was.
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  It was. Yeah.
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  That was a good month. I can remember the two reviews
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  by Vanessa Bishop in Doctor Who magazine, one where she said it
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  was a bit of a silly story and the other one where she said it
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  was a very silly story. Do you remember?
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  I do remember, yes. I loved it though.
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  I remember sticking it on and just thinking it was full of
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  energy, full of colour, full of good humour.
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  Well, how would I have been? I would have been in my mid
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  teens. Yeah.
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  Would that been sort of 9495 time, wasn't it?
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  And. I definitely read the opinions
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  that everyone hated this at the time so I wanted preparing
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  myself. It was.
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  One of those things that everyone knew and I it still
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  comes painfully near the bottom of every poll ever.
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  Yeah, but we were a panto family, so this was always
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  custom built for me. Yeah, I said two in the Twin
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  Dilemma. I was brought up on B movies.
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  I was also brought up on pantomimes.
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  So all of this mad camp is it's just.
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  Perfect. Just your wheelhouse.
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  Yeah. Do you know what?
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  I don't mind being an advocate for it because I think if you
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  look underneath all of the surface, glitz and campery,
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  Yeah. What you've got here is a
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  solidly structured story that builds to an effective climax.
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  It has twists and surprises along the way.
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  The one thing it's lacking is character drama.
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  There's there's a few attempts, like when when Sam dies, you're
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  having a bit of trouble with the sunlight there.
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  Yeah, I am. Hang on, I'm just gonna stand
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  up. As if I could sort these
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  curtains out so that I. Oh.
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  My God, a live stream on side scratch.
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  Oh, that's. Better, there we go, our.
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  Numbers have just doubled. Your viewing figures have just.
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  No, I, I, I do think the nuts and bolts of this, it is a very
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  solid story. And that's because Pip and Jane
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  in their old hands and they know how to structure telly exactly.
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  And. You know, I know it wasn't to
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  Andrew Cartmel's tastes, but we we will get 3-3 solid years of
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  Andrew Cartmel coming in. But you need, you need,
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  sometimes you need an old hand to come in and just get it
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  started and give Sylvester a solid start.
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  And it was never going to be the most exciting.
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  That's not quite the word I'm looking for.
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  The most intriguing or modern adventure, maybe, But it makes
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  sense. Everything follows logically to
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  the end. I want to answer that question.
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  I want to answer that statement you just made, but should we
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  press play on Episode 2? Yes.
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  We better have it. Everyone's been very patient
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  with us. Yes, because otherwise we'll end
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  up with a twin dilemma where we've done 45 minutes before
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  we've even got to the start of the episode.
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  We'll. Go on and count us in.
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  OK, OK. In 54321 crash.
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  Now I'll like I said, I love this, but I completely agree
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  with what you just said there. What they should have done at
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  this point is something that was extremely contemporary, a bit
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  call, you know, basically what they should have done was
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  remembrance of the Daleks. But they were not set up at this
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  point to do remembrance of the Daleks and or a story like that.
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  And not even necessarily set in the 60s, but that tone, that
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  tone of confidence, you know that and.
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  I don't think, I think there just wasn't the confidence
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  behind the scenes to do something like that.
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  And so we're going to do Doctor Who by the numbers because JNT
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  can do this. He'd need something traditional
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  to get this era started, and this will do.
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  I mean this, like you said, it's born out of desperation.
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  Yeah, the fact that something this glorious can be born out of
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  desperation. Happy days, Luxin Jenkins says.
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  According to the Discontinuity Guy, this is the only story that
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  name drops Elvis. Yep, and is it the only one the
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  troll? Mrs. Malatrop as well.
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  It's getting my mum to explain who Mrs. Malaprop was because I
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  had no idea I. Just said Malatrop.
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  That's a malapropism, that is. Anthony Carroll says this is
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  more exciting than episode one. OK.
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  Look at that bubble falling in the water, Yeah.
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  In the in the water, in the spinning round, it's it's really
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  well done. And are they?
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  Using the old mine war paint box here.
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  Yeah, yeah, they are. So this is this is a new thing
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  called Harry and Paint Box. So they can colour in the skies
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  and they've decided that mind warp is great, but it's a bit
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  insane what they do because it's new technology and they're just
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  going to go for it. But here it's used far more
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  subtly. And we'll get this sort of
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  through the McCoy era alien planets that they all have
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  different colored skies or have a planet painted in the
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  background or, or whatever. And it's I do see a subtle
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  effect. The very best use of buying as
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  mind warp of that paint box is that mine war opening though of
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  the TARDIS in the sea with that. Yeah, it looks so alien.
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  Stunning, isn't it? Absolutely.
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  Stunning like the the planet in the background above the tent in
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  Greater Show. I think that was nicely done do.
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  You know, there's another really funny line in a minute where he
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  goes. And another thing Mel, why was
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  the Ronnie dressed like you and she just goes you smashing?
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  Conscious, I think they are. Funny writers, yeah.
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  When they're when they're trying to be funny, I mean, I think
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  they're funny writers when they're not as well, yes.
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  Oh yeah, I mean some of the overblown dialogue is is really
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  funny as well. Cosy.
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  So now we're building up to the mystery again about what's
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  behind that door. And maybe we do wait a little
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  too long to get there. Yeah.
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  Well, you know you're going to have some mysteries you've got
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  to keep keep things going for the audience.
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  Don't want to give everything away straight away.
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  Oh, this is pure panto. There's not one spark of decency
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  in her. I'm overwhelmed.
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  I mean, she's basically. In the audience look.
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  Straight at the camera. I mean, come on, that is so
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  funny. I'll stay very still now.
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  The effect isn't is quite blocky because probably of the
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  generations that they're having to go through, it looks good
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  enough. It's Nick, Carroll says.
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  This is making me want to watch all seven hours of studio
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  footage. It says 7 hours worth.
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  I don't even. I couldn't sit through that.
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  Oh my word, there is a very funny bit where Kay Omara's got
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  the brolly up and it's raining in the quarry and she just turns
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  to like the production assistant goes.
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  It ain't like this on Dynasty. She's in some miserable quarry.
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  Oh, here we go. This is that line.
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  Why was the Ronnie dressed like you Mel in?
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  Disguise practicing another one of her talents and.
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  I'm sorry, we've been letting people down on the quotes this
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  episode. Let's have a look at some of
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  this dialogue. Does she slam his head right
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  into the machine? Oh yeah.
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  We've we've just had that bit. Yeah, she's quite rough with us,
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  didn't she? I think she's got, you know,
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  like a sex chamber like Mr. Gray.
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  I think she likes being rough with men.
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  Now, these tech traps down here, so they're basically like
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  vampires, aren't they, 'cause he.
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  Yeah, yeah. They they, they feed on blood
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  that doesn't really go anywhere, but it's just nice and grizzly
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  and gruesome and people say they never turn the lights down in
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  the exactly. And it's a lovely contrast to
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  what's going on upstairs. Yeah.
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  Where it's very bright and and very well lit.
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  But I think the the tetrap sound effects as well and it feels
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  sort of dank. I don't know if you've ever been
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  inside a bat enclosure. Yes.
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  Fucking stinks in. There, funnily enough, the The
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  Doctor Who exhibition at Longley is now a batting closure.
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  So. So you walk through the Tardis
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  doors still, because they're still there, into this massive
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  batting. So it's still a Doctor Who
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  exhibition. Daniel Knight says Kate O'Mara
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  should have done more comedy. Oh hang on, she did triangle the
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  first episode of Triangle where she's on the deck of that shit
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  with her tits out. It's so funny.
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  And in the pouring rain. Michael Craig sort of looking in
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  his monoculars going, Oh yeah, it was never like this on the
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  Hyperion 30, this music. Now we can't hear it.
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  But as he's going up here in this game, it's very techno.
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  This you can almost hear this. Really going for it.
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  Hey, take a sample of this folks, and then put a beat to
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  it. You can almost hear it in the
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  clubs at the time. And I think this scene sort of
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  exemplifies why people were not fans of Mel, because she
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  literally stands there and screams at the monster when she
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  could have run away. You know it's not have.
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  You have you ever been tongued by a tetrap?
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  My God, your tongue's, your tongue's well, long.
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  Not saying anything. Wash out the assholes of the ham
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  fam. Sorry.
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  Sorry everybody. Yeah, I do think this shot now
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  of them wobbling the plastic in and out of the machine.
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  Yeah, well, he's quite adept at maneuvering.
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  Is that right? This.
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  Isn't trying to bring their science in, isn't it?
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  Yeah. Absolutely.
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  So we're back with with our old Doctor Who friend,
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  thermodynamics and the Second law.
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  The more you put things together, the more they fall
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  apart. Yeah.
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  So perhaps before we get there, you could sort of explain to me
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  what the Ron is attempting to achieve here.
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  She wants to make more of that goo because it's the thing that
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  keeps the brain alive. That's right, and the brain is
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  figuring out the calculations. Because it's being fed in with
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  all the genius of the Genii that she's captured.
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  And and then the spaceship is going to do.
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  Is what going to hit the asteroid of?
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  The asteroid at the right time to release the power of strange
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  matter. Which is going to give her the
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  ability to. Turn Lukersha into a time
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  manipulator because the brain will expand to fill the gap
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  between the Cronons and stuff. But as essentially it means the
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  entire reality itself is going to be rewritten by the Rani.
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  Exactly. Yeah, but actually, do you know
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  what it is a lot of plot elements that are introduced in
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  the early episodes that do all come together in the finale to
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  create a big threat. So to say, the model work is
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  really, really good. That model of the Rani's base is
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  superb, yeah. But Luke SIM Jenkins says, is
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  Mel's top a top or like long Johns?
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  It is like I think it's a top with trousers.
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  So so me 1987 fashion expert. What?
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  Zeidi's oysters? Real name again Dave.
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  Dave says any sci-fi show with a giant brain works for me.
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  Me too. That was a that was a shock at
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  the time. I just remember the Torah, this
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  giant brain being there. Wow, I didn't see that coming.
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  Haven't they do it again in in new Doctor Who?
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  Of course. Planet of the huge.
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  Yeah, it's a giant pulsating brain as well.
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  They're the best kind. I was.
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  You see that? The Doctor's all about risk
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  environmentalism. He doesn't want to litter up
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  location load of plastic. Doctor Who being woke there,
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  that's. Right, Yeah.
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  He doesn't want to use the petroleum based plastic, you
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  know, because it's not good for the environment.
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  It's a very sizeable organ, says Daniel Warmsley.
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  Underworld in Blake 17. Ultra World.
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  Yes, yes, the great big pulsating brain at the heart of
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  Ultra World did. I just say Underworld.
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  You did. Yeah, I said Underworld when I
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  meant the invisible enemy in the Twin.
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  I think I'm obsessed with Underworld at the moment.
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  I think it's Fraser's fault. I think he's getting you ready
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  to do that commentary. I'm actually doing it next week,
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  the I'm doing commentary, so that's probably why it's in my
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  mind. Oh, now this is a lovely scene.
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  Now this is a genuine character moment in time with Arani.
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  Yeah. Hold on to your hats, folks.
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  The trouble is, is when you've got Faroon and what's his name?
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  I can and male all on the screen at the same time.
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  Your eyes start to bleed because there's a bit too much colour.
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  So poor Wanda Ventum's actors got to get through all of that.
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  She looks very dignified considering.
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  What she's I start what I said with Colin and his costume, you
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  know, a good actor can work with.
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  Carry it off and she is a good actor.
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  I think the line that she says yet another victim and she's
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  genuinely crying. That's and.
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  They're again, they're proper tears and she's I love that
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  she's got sort of slightly multi coloured makeup to compare with
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  with Icona and she looks gorgeous and she's wrapped up
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  sensibly in a big cloak because it's obviously really cold in
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  that quarry. Well.
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  At least male's dressed up as well, which is unusual.
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  And they've given her trainers. Yeah.
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  Which is really good. She's not saddled in the high
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  heels. So Bonnie Companion.
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  Bonnie says she recorded Alma Foe, then she did something on
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  the stage and then she literally came straight into doing the pre
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  production on Time of the Ronnie.
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  So she travelled through the night to get here after being on
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  the stage the day before and she was absolutely exhausted when
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  she was doing these scenes. I mean, that's bloody good
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  makeup because you don't look it.
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  No, not at all. Why would we have these things?
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  You know, when we see these skeletons in Doctor Who, it's
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  the same in time Lash. Well, like, you'd think they'd
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  fall apart a bit, wouldn't they? Without all the flesh.
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  Yeah. Like they they do tend to stay
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  together these. Well, yeah, I mean, that's the
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  power of fiction. Look at those tears.
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  They're genuine. They're really good.
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  Yeah, in fact, you know what, because I'm watching sort of a
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  small screen, the colours not the usual sort when I was
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  watching it on my 52 inch 10. It's the Blu-ray, doesn't it?
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  But it works against the the bleak background of the quarry.
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  And maybe how are we standing on that rock there?
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  She looks like a little person, didn't she?
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  She was so tiny. So what do you think about the
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  accessorizing foil? Well, it's a bit cheap, isn't
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  it? But if we knock every Doctor Who
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  story that does things a bit cheap, I The Twin Dilemma had
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  consoles that were covered in tinfoil, so.
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  And sofas that were covered in shrink wrap.
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  Exactly. I'm back in laboratory as mail.
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  You like to get bit of stream playing.
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  Actually, there's a sequence here in a second between Male
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  and the Doctor, which I just love.
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  It really shows the difference between her and Colin and her
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  and Sylv. Yeah, it's really nicely written
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  and really, really well played. I'm not sure about the line
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  where under the carpet. Me.
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  Washer woman me. Washer woman.
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  Yes. And I recently worked out that I
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  think that is a reference back to Mark of the Rani where she's
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  the yeah of. Course, of course, yeah.
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  I just thought it's taken me all these years to to work that out.
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  I thought his insult just hadn't improved since Ham fisted bum
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  vendor. Well, there's also that as well.
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  Unimaginative, plodder and things like that, you know.
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  Oh, I love those tetrap costumes.
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  They're they're a really great monster.
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  But the idea of, I know they've got peripheral vision because
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  they've got eyes all around their heads and they still turn
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  around. I do see that it's a bit.
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  Of a you know it doesn't matter. That visual of it is great.
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  Oh, here we go. And they even get comedy music
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  of like, should we do this scene?
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  Come on, I'll be I'll be male. You be the doctor.
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  OK. All right, he at least had.
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  To I'm ready, I'm ready, all. Right.
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  Me. So I'm here.
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  You. You.
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  Where's the Doctor? What have you done with the
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  Doctor? Now we're getting the truth.
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  What have you done with him, you brute?
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  He's here. It's me.
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  What's up with me? Never.
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  You're nothing like it if the doctor's been cut.
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  Drop the melodramatics. Your prophetic impersonation
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  doesn't fool me. Incidentally, that wig's not
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  you. And cute Kesamara pulling her
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  wig. Absolutely perfect.
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  I mean, it is so silly. This.
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  Yes, I just like silly, you know, you said to me about
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  coming home after a really miserable day and wanted to pull
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  something off the shelf that's just going to make you smile.
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  And that's this one of them, isn't it?
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  Yeah. Obviously the usual Oh no, hang
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  on, you told me I am Mel. Who's the Ronnie?
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  Try looking in the mirror, that face of evil.
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  I've had enough of this dribble. And so had many fans at this
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  point. You don't even talk like the
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  doctor, you miserable fraud. You're a raving lunatic.
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  Because if you're the Rani, I'm dicing with destruction.
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  And if I melt now, the world shall do is give me carrot
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  juice. What's his favorite drink?
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  Favorite I hate it you out haven't I wish what rolls?
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  The difference is purely perceptual.
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  I'll feel your pulses. What is this?
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  Fair exchange is no mockery. You feel my pulses, I'll feel
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  yours. It's pulses.
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  Pulses are euphemism. No, no, no.
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  It's the two double. I know I was just being rude.
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  Double pulse, Then you really are the doctor.
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  That's what I've been trying to tell you.
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  Now yours. It's a lovely.
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  Way he just looks up Mel. And and that's it.
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  Now we've got that warm relationship between the two of
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  them for the rest of the season. And I love this.
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  She takes off his hair and she starts playing with his hair.
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  And she never would have got away with that with Colin.
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  No, well, she couldn't reach. Oh, and it's that hint of
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  melancholy that we'll get in. His doctor all the time is here
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  right from the beginning and it's really lovely.
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  Lucas and Jensen's Mel's throwing 7 around like he's the
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  carcass. And Tom Newsome says Definitely
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  up there with the funniest Doctor Who stories.
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  Yeah. For sure it really.
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  Is it really is? I mean, you and me laughed our
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  way through the Twin Dilemma, but this is, I think this is
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  supposed to be funny. Yes, I'm not sure the twin
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  dilemma. The Ronnie's TARDIS has really
• 21:38
  taken a downgrade. But you know, I think the
• 21:45
  matting of her onto the model is absolutely brilliant because
• 21:50
  it's not a full set. It's literally CSO no.
• 21:52
  It works, but that gorgeous TARDIS?
• 21:54
  I know, yeah, they'd accidentally jumped even though
• 21:58
  he. Was furious, wasn't he?
• 21:59
  He really wanted that kept. Which that probably happened
• 22:03
  during the hiatus though, right? Probably I I suspect so.
• 22:07
  Michael Gray's like, yeah, we're actually going to be making any
• 22:10
  more. So anything we've got in the
• 22:11
  stores, just get rid. Of it.
• 22:16
  So that's it. So now they're trying to put it
• 22:17
  all together. He's been sort of working all
• 22:19
  the innards. Yeah, and it's a nice way of
• 22:24
  restating the mysteries to the audience as well, who might not
• 22:27
  have seen part one. So you've got the mystery of
• 22:29
  what's behind the door and the Doctor and Mel working it out
• 22:32
  together. I'm not saying that kids are
• 22:34
  stupid, of course I'm not. But I think, you know, there are
• 22:38
  sort of five to 10 year olds watching this and sometimes to
• 22:43
  have some of this stuff explained because I've always
• 22:45
  ranted on about that scene in Terror the Virgo.
• 22:47
  That's where they do the. He did not switch on his
• 22:50
  translator. But actually.
• 22:52
  Sometimes spelling this stuff out is a good idea.
• 22:57
  And I think Pippa Jane kind of, they know the audience they're
• 23:00
  gearing this towards. They ain't doing it to 30 year
• 23:03
  old Doctor Who found sophisticates.
• 23:06
  No, they're doing it for the kids.
• 23:07
  And this Doctor Who hasn't been aimed at your next generation of
• 23:12
  children for a long time. And then and there really is a
• 23:15
  whole generation of kids who found Sylvester McCoy as their
• 23:18
  as their doctor. I mean, Steve always said to me
• 23:23
  that he found Doctor Who far too scary, but he'd seen Sylvester
• 23:28
  McCoy had been cast and he thought, well, but he's not a
• 23:31
  scary man. He'll be a nice man and he'll be
• 23:35
  a a gentle Dr. so I can watch this, you know.
• 23:38
  And so you've got that that generation of children who
• 23:41
  suddenly latch onto their their new Doctor Who.
• 23:44
  And there's a whole new set of fans that arrived this year who
• 23:48
  are absolutely passionate about this era.
• 23:50
  What's interesting in Season 24 is, is then so they try and push
• 23:55
  away from sort of the darkness so they tell lighter stories
• 24:00
  with a lighter tone underneath them all.
• 24:03
  In Paradise Towers, that's about a massacre.
• 24:06
  In Devon Abanamin that's about genocide in.
• 24:10
  Set of people in the bus who just all get killed.
• 24:14
  And all the people on Ice World get murdered, and people are
• 24:18
  being frozen. So there's all this dark stuff
• 24:20
  going up underneath. Yeah.
• 24:23
  And in a way that's more uncomfortable.
• 24:26
  It's what I say. About Christmas caroling I.
• 24:29
  Said that about Christmas Carol, this lovely light, probably
• 24:32
  Doctor Who's story that just happens to have this weird theme
• 24:35
  of the doctor manipulating someone's life.
• 24:37
  And I like that sort of incongruity.
• 24:41
  It's a bit uncomfortable, but I like it.
• 24:43
  Yeah, but. Yeah, don't know.
• 24:44
  A Christmas Carol, mind. The gentleness in the Doctor and
• 24:48
  Doctor Who should never go away. And it really had.
• 24:52
  I think before this there was not.
• 24:55
  We haven't had a gentle story really since.
• 24:59
  Probably Enlightenment maybe? Yeah, I think so.
• 25:03
  It's been a long time and the. Five doctors.
• 25:05
  We haven't had something that is.
• 25:07
  What do you mean by by gentle? I think maybe it's where maybe
• 25:16
  Time Lash is a is one as well, where it's not dark people doing
• 25:22
  dark things with mercenaries and like.
• 25:25
  Like stuff that's frock rather than gun.
• 25:28
  Is that? Yeah.
• 25:28
  Yeah, exactly. Yes, that that's it.
• 25:30
  Where we haven't had a frock story for a long, long period at
• 25:33
  this point because Eric Seywood is not that kind of person.
• 25:38
  Actually, maybe verboys have been been.
• 25:41
  Yeah, as well. No, Verboys is a massive
• 25:42
  massacre that features a load of people on the compost heap.
• 25:47
  That's that's a really bleak story.
• 25:49
  Colin. Neil, you're making some
• 25:50
  excellent points about all the bleak stuff that happens in
• 25:52
  season 24. Well, Colin, thank you so much.
• 25:55
  Well, we're good at this, you know.
• 25:58
  Fraser Gregory's just turned up. Have we asked all these
• 26:01
  questions? Oh.
• 26:02
  No, we haven't. We've been too busy talking.
• 26:04
  I'm so sorry. Yeah.
• 26:05
  Did you know it's a second ago? You had a non dialogue scene of
• 26:09
  McCoy going through the set and he's looking at every part of
• 26:12
  the machines and then the door and he's putting it all together
• 26:16
  and he said there's like a sound intelligence that's emerging.
• 26:20
  Absolutely. It's good stuff, isn't it?
• 26:24
  Yes, you're professional, says Colin.
• 26:29
  Yeah, with sinister undertones, just like season 24.
• 26:34
  Oh my God, is this the bit where she takes the wig off?
• 26:36
  Yeah, you know, don't you love? This bit, the information is
• 26:42
  essential. Is it?
• 26:43
  So I told you the chemical composition, I could do this.
• 26:49
  And the lighting goes down. Look.
• 26:52
  Fabulous. Yeah.
• 26:53
  Sigh. You know, don't you?
• 26:56
  She knows how to do a proper reveal, doesn't she?
• 26:59
  Look at the way she takes her hair out.
• 27:01
  She's it's. Evil.
• 27:02
  She is dripping evil. And then she gets tied up by the
• 27:06
  stuff. It's ridiculous and she's just
• 27:09
  flailing around. It's a tiny knot.
• 27:13
  Anyone so funny? So.
• 27:16
  Your usefulness is not over. You still have a role to play,
• 27:23
  and I think this is another good.
• 27:24
  Can I find out? Yeah, it's.
• 27:26
  Good. Yeah, it's Scott.
• 27:28
  Bat enclosure Luke Sims, the most evil hair.
• 27:33
  Ever. It's true.
• 27:35
  We've been searching Luke for a long time for more evil hair
• 27:38
  than the run. Wow, look at that shot of them
• 27:40
  all upside down. Yeah, and, and it's dark, so you
• 27:43
  can't see the Doctor hiding and you can just see the colour of
• 27:48
  the male costume there. It's great, isn't it?
• 27:52
  The lighting is great and as usual, they're pumping in the
• 27:56
  dry ice. Always helps.
• 27:59
  Yeah, I like the fact as well that we the very lame jokes that
• 28:02
  he tells in the next episode. You know, surely we can see eye
• 28:06
  to eye and all this stuff. We wait until the next episode.
• 28:09
  We just get the the scares here. Yep, exactly.
• 28:14
  Ah, Fraser has jumped in with a question.
• 28:15
  Oh, we've asked them that one. We have already.
• 28:17
  Answered, I'm afraid. But well, I do have the rest
• 28:20
  sort of lined up for Part 3 do. You know what, do you see that
• 28:23
  texture out there with his sort of tongue coming out like that?
• 28:26
  I can remember a drunken night down Brighton once, right?
• 28:29
  I was pushed up against a wall outside of nightclub.
• 28:33
  That fella came at me with his tongue.
• 28:35
  I thought he was going to suck me dry like an industrial vacuum
• 28:38
  cleaner. I was like, get away from me
• 28:39
  mate. Honestly, there's no way to
• 28:43
  approach a man of my stature. Honestly.
• 28:46
  And see how at least good cliffhangers then.
• 28:48
  Have we taken you back up to three out of 10 then?
• 28:52
  Maybe, maybe we could get to a four.
• 28:53
  Come on, we could do this. We could do this.
• 28:56
  Razor, come on. Hit us with another question
• 28:57
  before we out Episode 2. Hang on.
• 29:00
  I've got one of his questions here.
• 29:01
  OK, go on. Who?
• 29:02
  Makes the best companion mail to the Doctor or URAC to the Rani.
• 29:08
  Oh go on, you answer that. What is it?
• 29:14
  I think it's Mel, isn't it really?
• 29:16
  I Urac is a bit obsequious and is.
• 29:21
  Your right heap. He is, and that's where the name
• 29:24
  comes from. I get Pippa Jane.
• 29:27
  We're very proud of that so, but I quite like the your powers are
• 29:31
  truly wondrous, Mistress Ronnie. No, I like the fact that he
• 29:36
  cotton's on at the end. He's like, yeah, and he's not
• 29:38
  putting up with this. Yeah, exactly.
• 29:40
  So that's, that's the best kind of evil assistant henchman who
• 29:44
  then realizes that he's going to be double crossed and his he's
• 29:47
  going to be, yeah, his usefulness is at an end.
• 29:50
  And so. He he gets the last laugh,
• 29:53
  doesn't he? Exactly.
• 29:56
  Well look, Episode 2 is done. The Rani has been unveiled.
• 30:01
  Are you ready to face the hologram of Death, otherwise
• 30:05
  known as male, in episode 3? Substantial as your scruples,
• 30:09
  Joe. Don't have any scruples.
• 30:11
  What are you talking about?