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The Drama Review - A24's New Dark Comedy’s Wild Twist & Who Really Is the Worst Character Here? · Film Curious

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Mind of mush, burying trauma, Alana’s a horrible person,
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she's the most same one.
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Hello all you film lovers,
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casual theater goers, at home movie watchers and streaming
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scrollers out there.
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You're listening to Film Curious, the podcast that invites you
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to let your intrigue guide you and explore great films across genres and time.
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At least, that's what I'll be doing.
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I'm Ashley Bernhardt, and this episode I'm joined again by my good friend
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Pete Tedone to dive into a new theatrical release from A24.
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The Drama.
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And this is kind of part two of our conversation.
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It's not necessary before listening to this episode
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to listen to the previous one,
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but if you hear us mention Project Hail Mary in this episode, it's
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because we recorded one right after another.
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That's why two films on
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totally opposite ends of the spectrum come up in both episodes.
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The Drama is written and directed by Norwegian filmmaker Kristoffer Borgli.
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You may have caught one of his more recent previous works, Dream Scenario,
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a quirky, surreal story starring Nicolas Cage
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and similarly in his latest work, the concept itself may be less surreal,
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but the heightened emotions certainly drive plot points
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and set the stage for a deeper cultural discussion.
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The film stars Zendaya and Robert Pattinson, a happily engaged couple
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who is put to the test
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when an unanticipated turn sends their wedding off the rails.
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Before getting into our deep dive, I do want to acknowledge
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the inciting plot point does open the door for a heavy topic.
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We try to handle it mainly in the context of the story,
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but with this sort of topic, it's impossible
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not to talk about personal feelings the plot brings up and how it relates
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to the real world, which I would argue is one of the points of this film.
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All this to say, this is a spoiler discussion as it wouldn't do
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the film or subject matter justice if we weren't to get into the details.
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So join us as we indulge in the drama
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so the drama, the conversation that it leads to, that you can
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I mean, we'll see how long we can talk about the drama,
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but I think it is something that we could go on for a while about.
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I think it does a good job of posing questions
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about, humans and how good we really are.
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Depending on.
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Is it the actions we take?
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Is it the thoughts we have?
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How far, you know?
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Do you have to go before then? You're not good.
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This is again, this is like a very hard movie
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to have a conversation about without getting into the spoiler of it.
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Yeah, yeah, you have to just because. Yeah.
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So it's just a full spoiler
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warning on this one, and it comes up relatively early in the film, too.
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Like you can. Yeah. Kind of.
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It's the. Marketing has made this a spoiler.
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The film doesn't. Right.
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You know the beginning.
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It's it's the inciting incident for the rest of the show.
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But yeah, the.
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And I think that's actually.
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Where a lot of I've heard a lot of people feel like, well,
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I was sort of, you know, deceived into this corner and sucker punched.
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I get it.
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If you were going for the funny rom
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com movie, you did not get that or that.
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Well, actually, I argue that you did.
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I think it is darkly comedic.
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In a. Lot of scenes.
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I'll be honest, I was laughing.
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Yeah, there was the question of time.
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Was there?
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It was from like, the absurdity of,
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you know, Pattinson's Charlie's visions of.
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Zendaya or, the character.
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That she plays of, of her, imaginations of
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of putting on this, this mass shooting.
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Yeah, I guess let's let's.
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Set it up right. Like, just in. Case.
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Someone is unaware. In the film.
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We have, you know, Charlie and Emma who is, you know, patents and and Zendaya,
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and they are getting ready for their wedding and one of the,
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you know, first, like 15 minutes or so I would say they're doing a wine tasting,
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you know, getting ready for the wedding with their bride of honor.
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Sorry, maid of honor and best man.
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And they get into a thing of telling each other
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stories of or a story of the worst thing they ever did.
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Which I want to say.
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And I think this is very important.
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And these are the little.
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Details
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that, like, everyone is fixating on this, the bigger thing, which I get why,
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but it's. It's a
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the. Delivery
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system of it that I think a lot of people are missing.
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Or just.
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Overlooking because of the larger, issue that comes up a lot of times.
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Character of Rachel, that's the maid of honor.
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She, outwardly, without.
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Any prompting.
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Shares her husband's worst thing that he ever did, that
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he told to her in secret.
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Like a year or two years ago.
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And she just blurts it out. It essentially.
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Blows up.
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It just like, says it like, or says enough that he then has to.
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Explain because.
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She says this.
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And you imagine. It the worse, right?
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You imagine imagines much worse. Yeah.
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So that then kicks.
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Off everyone sharing their their story and just to to
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just to recap what the stories were.
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Mike the the best
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man, best friend of patents is Charlie.
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He and his girlfriend, who he didn't,
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wasn't not getting along with at the time, were walking home.
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A stray dog came and sort of attacked them, and he used her as a human shield.
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Then the, you know, his wife,
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the maid of honor, Rachel Lanham, tells her story.
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And her story is that she took, in her words, a slow kid.
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And in the in the woods, put him in a closet.
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Locked him and left him there running away because he started screaming.
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So she was she panicked, and she ran away and doesn't tell anybody.
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Even when people ask her where this kid is and they don't find him
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till, like, the next morning.
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The next morning in this trailer.
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Yeah, that's locked. In a. Closet.
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He's not even all day.
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I'm assuming he probably, you know, lost bodily function at some point.
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Right. And that was that was hers.
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Pattinson's was I cyberbullied.
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Somebody. And they moved.
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But in the way that he says it, they said, sounds like they just moved.
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And it was at the same time when this happened.
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And he was like, I actually don't know if it was because of.
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Me, because. Of me.
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But but again, we have the.
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Details of his bullying are pretty vague.
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They're very vague.
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We don't we don't.
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Much at all saying, yeah, that I'll say I think it's because he really.
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Didn't have anything to. Say.
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During the scene. You can.
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See that Emma Zendaya is very hesitant for her turn in this roundtable.
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And her reveal is.
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I planned a school shooting.
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It didn't go with it, but I had planned it.
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And then she is grilled by pretty much everyone at the table,
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specifically Alana Harms, Rachel
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well, like, what do you mean?
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Like how, you know?
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And she took it as far as had a gun, had a plan and then didn't do it.
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And we find out why she didn't do it later.
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And, every one of the.
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Patents and.
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He at first like he's shocked, but he isn't like, are you insane?
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Do you love him like that?
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Whereas, Rachel and Mike, they don't.
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Mike is a is.
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Sort of like he's reacting to it.
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Heavily, but a lot of James.
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Characters really like
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perked up on this one. Yeah.
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And and she shares that, you know, she had a cousin
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who was paralyzed from a school shooting and everything.
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And then.
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Okay, so and then that's where the film.
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Goes, like, it's about these people, specifically Claire,
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Charlie and Emma and
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trying to get married within, you know,
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six days later, five days later.
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And how do you deal with learning that the person that you're about to marry
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when they were 14.
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15, was
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moments away or, you know, a half.
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A day away from, from committing this. Act,
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which is, again, the film is, is giving.
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You other information that you're supposed to carry with it because.
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When patents and tells his.
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Cyberbullying story.
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It gets washed over.
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By, well. When you're 14, your.
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Brain is mush.
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You don't have an adult brain till you're like 25.
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But at 15.
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Everyone is expecting Emma's character
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to be cognizant and understanding of everything.
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And you know, that suddenly doesn't have a brain.
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Is mush.
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Only one year older than Pattinson's character.
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And that's and that's where the film goes.
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Essentially, everyone loses their fucking mind.
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Really, everyone.
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Within within earshot of.
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This loses their fucking. Mind.
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Except me. Anybody.
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It touches me right?
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Yeah.
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Mike is the only one who I feel like he's like, you know what?
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It's fucked up the best man. Yeah, but.
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Okay, you know, I get it.
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It's fucked up.
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You know, I maybe I wouldn't
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marry this person, but he doesn't seem like.
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This is the worst
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human being I've ever met.
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Like he's the only one who kind of seems to take it in and sort of understand it.
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And I think it has to do a lot with.
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He comes from a background that he probably way more understands
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than the two other white people who are in this conversation about,
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you know, getting through high school and everything that that can entail.
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And the bullying and the the singling out and everything like that.
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What was your take on this? I had a lot of
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empathy for Emma's character.
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Right. Like, I'm not.
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Saying it's a good thing that she plotted out this, that she.
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Had these thoughts, but I think I having witnessed
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I haven't that I was never, badly bullied in high school,
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but having witnessed some people that were badly bullied
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and trying to kind of like, hey, cut that out, that's
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not a cool thing to do to this person.
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I always had in the back of my mind of like,
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this is how school shooters are born.
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Kind of sort of like not being included,
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being relentlessly bullied and harassed every day.
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So yeah, like my my point on this is like,
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yeah, she she's been through a dark time.
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Maybe she had a really dark time.
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And honestly, then she turns to anti-gun activism.
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So like.
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Now. She could be like, I feel so guilty.
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Or I'm trying to show that I don't have these thoughts still or something.
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I feel like.
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I think. That, but I also think that she found a way that she could
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make friends.
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Yeah, well, I mean, that was just the opportunity.
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Yeah, the opportunity presents itself.
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So again, like you have to give.
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Like, can't I guess like we have to give more context.
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Right.
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So patents and questions like well what what happened that you didn't like.
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What you know, what was it that made you decide not to.
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And she kind of didn't decide not to.
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You know, she does ultimately because she could have still made the choice and.
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Said. I'm going to follow this up.
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But essentially the night before she was going.
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To do the shooting, and this is the dark comedy. Part,
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she's making the.
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You know, the the recording that she'll then put online, you know,
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for people to see after she does this act.
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And the first time the camera stops midway because there's a mandatory update
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for the software for the camera, which is which is pretty fucking funny.
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And then she restarts.
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It again and her computer actually goes to a blue screen of death,
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windows, which you can assume is because
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there was an update that was broken because the update got pushed to a camera.
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So it's it's kind of funny when you see it happen.
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But then even more so the next day at school,
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there's another shooting, not at the school, but at the mall.
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And for whatever reason, during this school
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shooting or during this daytime shooting or whenever it may have happened,
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they lose one of their classmates, he gets killed.
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And through the trauma of that moment, the person who was her bully,
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or one of
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her bullies, really, like, breaks down and embraces her.
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And they have they share this moment and they come together,
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and she comes together with the two of the classmates that
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never really, you know, paid her any mind and or bullied her before.
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And they all become like,
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you know, a gun activist, you know, anti-gun activist group.
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And she becomes the speaker because.
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People actually do say.
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Like, you seem like, you know what you're doing when you're when you're.
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Talking, which is funny because.
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She barely talks.
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But she had information on.
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Oh, well, female shooters, do, you know, have committed mass shootings.
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And I also thought that was funny of like, oh, here's a way to put.
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This in here, because,
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you know, there's a bunch of people probably like questioning viewers
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of the audience going, yeah, I don't know what a female shooter really, you know?
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So it kind of does cover that.
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You know, if the the audience is skeptical of this, did you telling the audience.
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Were you aware of the song?
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I don't like Mondays.
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Have you ever heard that song?
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She refers. To it.
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I just I had.
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I'll tell you.
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I know that song, girl.
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I used to date way back when I was young.
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She loved that song.
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Like, I distinctly remember her
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buying that, a cassette of that tape.
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Like in a thrift store.
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And she played that song over and over again.
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What are you trying to tell us?
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I you know, I know, I remember that, you know what?
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I'm not going to say that. So that's a bad joke. That's not.
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The thing is, I'll tell you right now that this person also, I guarantee.
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You that they listen to that song and they interpreted something different.
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One of the one of the best examples.
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Of this I can give you is everyone knows the the painting,
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the scream, you know, the handsome face.
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There was once
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a joke in The Simpsons about that painting.
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And she got very upset. And I was like, what?
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What is the problem? I'm like, why are you.
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So it's like that painting. It shouldn't.
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You can't you shouldn't, like, make jokes about it.
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That painting is about a man's.
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Reaction to the Holocaust.
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And that painting was like from the 1800s.
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That was pretty old.
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So I'm like, what?
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No, it literally cannot be about that
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because it was painted 50 fucking years before it happened.
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So for all I know, she thought that it was just a person
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who just really didn't like working on Mondays.
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I really don't know. Anyways,
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you did you think that it was.
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I guess, I guess the big the big thing is,
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is it excusing that she considered this, or is it
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trying to.
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I think the movie is trying to let.
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People understand how someone can.
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Get to that point.
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And actually, I thought the best parts of the film were
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that the.
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Younger actress, I, yeah, go.
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Oh, no, no, no, that's not her.
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Jordan. Correct. Okay.
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They just have released this actress here, which is a weird thing to have.
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Yeah, I think that's why I.
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I meant to write down her name because I did enjoy her performance, and.
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Yeah, but, yeah, I don't know why they have her listed so far down.
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To be honest.
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I thought that the stuff with her was.
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My favorite part of the film because, seeing her, you know,
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work herself up into this, to this.
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Level. Of.
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What I'm.
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Yeah, this character that she's playing.
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And then having.
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The, you know, it come undone,
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I thought was fascinating to kind of watch.
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And it's
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I don't think it's excusing or anything like that.
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I think it's just trying to
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bring a. Little bit of understanding, like.
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One of the.
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I know Marilyn.
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Manson is not like a
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great person or anything, but he did have an incredible reaction.
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Quote, once, because when.
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Columbine happened,
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because those two kids listened to Marilyn Manson.
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Of course, you know, I guess what side of the political spectrum white people.
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Were like, well, that's what did it.
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It was this music.
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And he was being interviewed.
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Maybe this was in, bowling for Columbine, actually,
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he was being interviewed, and he said someone asked him,
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what would you say to those kids if you could talk to them?
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Like, right now, you know, they're the ones who did who did the shooting?
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He said, I wouldn't
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say anything. I'd.
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I'd ask them questions.
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Or like, I wouldn't say anything.
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I would listen.
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Because that's what they need, you know, they need.
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Yeah.
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I think this does bring a light to, not a.
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Yeah.
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No, we can't condone what hurt she was planning out.
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No, not at all. Of course. Not.
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No, of course not.
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But it does bring up something interesting.
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So I had read recently and I should.
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I should find the journalist who, interviews,
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shooters who, you know, haven't committed suicide
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or didn't, you know, get put down by the police, sir,
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who are alive and in prison for a mass shooting?
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And I think she said she heard her question to,
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you know, every one of them was, was there anything that could have stopped you?
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And most
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of them are like, anything could have stopped me.
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It would have taken one moment, to to not go through with it.
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So, I mean, that was kind of what, character happened.
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I mean, yeah, she was derailed by another shooting, buddy, but it's all it took.
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It proved point that it. Yeah. Like these. Yeah.
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We're not dealing with for the most part.
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And you can't we can't put a blanket over all shooters.
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But, like, we're not dealing with monsters here.
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We're dealing, with a human transfusion.
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Kids.
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Yeah, that needs somebody to just needs that.
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Hey, you're a human.
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I'm talking to you.
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You're accepted.
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I, you know, so.
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No, it is. Yeah, it is.
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That's. Yeah.
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I mean, that's deterrents like.
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Society has deterrents in place for a lot of things.
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Buying a gun is not there in this country.
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And that's why it's such a uniquely American problem.
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You know it's just it's not a deterrent.
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It's so easy to do.
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Why not? Why wouldn't I do that if I can't?
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If I'm angry enough and I, you know,
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I was bullied, in high school for a couple of years.
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There was, like, this weird couple, just, like two year portion where I fell out
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of favor with some friends of mine, and I was sort of on my own for a while.
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And, I mean, I'll be honest, it wasn't until
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this is a weird thing to admit that it wasn't
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until I was able to, you know,
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deliver some violence
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onto somebody that it stopped.
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That was how it worked.
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It was like, oh, don't fuck around anymore.
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And that that was that was how it worked.
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Not proud of it.
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You know, it's
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not something that like, Guy would say is the only it's not the only answer.
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It's probably not the answer to it. It just happened.
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And that shaped the way that for a long.
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Time.
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I dealt with anyone who stepped out of line with me.
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I would just, you know, I was large.
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I'm big enough guy that I can physically, you know, tell someone who's talking
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too much to shut the fuck up and, you know, and and back it up if I need to.
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And I did that for a long time.
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It took a while to.
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Get out of that because it was easy.
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And people respond to.
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It and people responded to. It immediately.
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So, you know, when I, when I watched this movie, I.
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Understood what could push somebody to that
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to that point.
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Because it's a failure of of things around her.
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Right? Yeah.
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I mean. Like, they're responsible for their. Actions.
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There is a responsibility on her parents.
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You know, responsibility of the gun being out.
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Maybe she's not being,
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you know, interacted with her parents or family enough.
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You know, are.
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Her parents shown as a child at all? No.
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No, I.
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Think that's very, very, very much on purpose.
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Has a long leash of.
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Yes. There's no supervision.
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It seems going on.
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Her father works, like, all day. I think he was. He was what?
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He was a he was a cop.
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Or he was in. The military or something. Yeah.
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So he's not home at all.
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So she seems very much on her.
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Own for the majority of every of every scene.
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It's not even like voices in the background.
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Yeah.
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So I think.
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That that's again, like the isolation and the not having others
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to help you out of this mental fog.
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It it can and it does
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when you have access. To.
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Those types of implements of, of violence.
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It'll cascade.
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And even more so when you're, when you grow up where that is common.
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It's not like, you know, she was doing something that, oh,
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no one's ever done this before.
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She was planning something that she had already read and seen dozens.
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Of people do every year.
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So you know that when you see violence
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or you see suicide, I think it like increases
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the people who see it to maybe commit these sorts of things.
22:45
Like we we know that exposure to a certain amount of it
22:50
can, at least for suicide, can contribute, To other.
22:55
How do you think the film,
22:57
how do you think then the characters in the film, though?
23:02
Every
23:05
okay.
23:05
Everyone else comes off as fucking insane.
23:08
This, that that's the thing is like the end of the movie.
23:10
I'm like,
23:12
the Alana Ames character is the worst person on earth, is one of the worst.
23:16
People on earth.
23:17
She's pretty terrible. Yeah.
23:18
She fucking she could have killed if it wasn't for dumb luck.
23:23
Which is exactly what stopped the Emma character from doing what she did.
23:27
If it wasn't for dumb luck, it's that kid being found. Him.
23:31
She would have led to his death because she couldn't just own up to the.
23:36
Parents.
23:37
And felt so comfortable
23:39
enough to speak to any of the parents about what she had done.
23:42
It's very much in line.
23:44
But the righteousness that she has, it was, I don't know is
23:51
it's, I wonder
23:55
did the movie want me to fucking hate that character
23:58
because my goodness did I hate that character.
24:02
Yeah I do think, I do think they wanted you to hate her.
24:05
Okay.
24:06
Do you think that Alana, was definitely playing that the the bitch?
24:12
I mean, she was just in all of her even mannerisms.
24:16
You know, I think it was, Yeah. Purposeful.
24:19
Yeah.
24:20
I don't like her, but I, I like to say with this movie is
24:25
all of them actually committed?
24:28
Awful.
24:29
Like, did awful things.
24:30
Like, the worst thing is Zendaya.
24:32
Emma is the only one who it it's the worst thing I never did,
24:37
right. Yeah.
24:38
Like oh actually didn't impact anyone any ultimately.
24:43
And maybe.
24:44
Benefited the people around her because she
24:47
then turns to activism like not again.
24:50
It could be that she the guilt she feels
24:52
or that she still has these impulses and this is her covering it up.
24:56
But at.
24:57
The same time, it doesn't matter because, you know, and that's also,
24:59
I think a little bit about the movie is like
25:01
when we find out a piece of information about somebody, even if it's just
25:04
their thought, you know, does it
25:07
how does it impact the rest of us or how do we react to it?
25:10
Right. Yeah.
25:11
And it's like she never did this action, but because of what
25:16
the action is and what it could have done, it makes.
25:20
Everybody think that she's way.
25:22
Worse and while these people are terrible.
25:25
They really are.
25:26
You know, like, I don't like, like most of the characters.
25:29
I don't like their interactions.
25:30
I don't like their reactions.
25:32
I don't like I even find.
25:35
When Charlie, has.
25:37
An interaction with his coworker, Which hurt.
25:40
What? Oh, let me look up the name of this guy.
25:42
Yeah.
25:42
Hayley Goetz plays her.
25:46
That was is it me?
25:47
Sure. But, yeah, she had.
25:49
Kind of a weird reaction as well, but it's a little bit more normal.
25:55
But then it gets weird.
25:57
Do you think it's normal to be like,
26:00
hey, I'm telling you, this scenario where someone.
26:03
They were 14 had, had these thoughts.
26:07
And they almost did this.
26:08
And call the cops. Call the cops, call them.
26:11
What the fuck are we talking about?
26:12
Call the. Cops. Okay, this is why you're going to. This is my.
26:15
What a huge sticking point. Yes.
26:17
Yeah. Like, what are you. Are you insane?
26:18
Well, I want to call the cops, okay?
26:20
If one person says it, I go, okay.
26:23
Little strange, you know? Like, what do you mean?
26:25
Call the cops? It's something she never did.
26:27
There's no evidence of was 15 years ago.
26:29
Like we talking about here? When?
26:32
When two people say it, I'm kind of like. What?
26:35
What did it like, say
26:38
this, I don't know.
26:39
I don't know if this is because, like, this is the film maker
26:43
and he is Norwegian.
26:45
Christopher Bigley.
26:48
Yeah. Yeah.
26:49
But like, I don't know, maybe.
26:51
Can you, like, in Norway, can you like, post
26:54
call the police about things like I don't
26:57
I didn't find it, I did I maybe they do take like tips
27:01
about mentally unstable people who might be aggressive.
27:05
So don't know.
27:06
That I get but like.
27:08
But you know it's not anymore.
27:10
Yeah like or shit.
27:12
But I don't. Think so I don't know I don't know, but yeah I.
27:14
Don't know what the film has for that or people had that reaction.
27:20
The film has like I think more than.
27:23
Enough chances.
27:25
To to show.
27:28
You she's still on the edge.
27:30
And like yelling at somebody who almost hit you in a.
27:32
Crosswalk because they're going through a red light
27:35
to me is not like, well, this person is clearly going to murder some like I.
27:39
Don't that I know, but but I like
27:43
but I like the way it's used because we are seeing it from.
27:46
Charlie's head.
27:47
Which Charlie's mind is cracked and and it's it's cause.
27:53
You read in all the time it seems though it I mean, it's.
27:56
Yeah.
27:56
From the first introduction of when They meet, he's a little.
28:01
He's an anxiety ridden.
28:02
Person and a little bit all over the place, so.
28:06
Yeah. And actually, I like.
28:08
So how Charlie is, he's a victim of his own advice because he doesn't take.
28:13
His own advice.
28:14
Because he says to Emma, you know, hey, if you ever talk to, like, you know,
28:18
have you ever talked to anybody about this like you've,
28:20
you've been holding this end for for this long?
28:23
You've never discussed it with anybody.
28:25
You know, clearly for some good reasons because of the reaction that you get.
28:28
But like you talk to a psychiatrist, something Because you
28:33
you can't this trauma will eat you alive.
28:36
And then he has no one that he feels like he can talk.
28:39
To about.
28:40
It because, on the one occasion when he does, which is.
28:44
With Hayley.
28:45
It's like, oh, she sounds like a psychopath.
28:47
And he doesn't believe that, like, he really doesn't believe that.
28:50
And then he he reacts like a psychopath.
28:53
Yeah, that's the.
28:54
Thing is, because he's just looking for someone else to be like, no, she's not.
28:59
Fucking insane.
29:01
But he runs into, like, the three.
29:03
Wrong people to ask about it, you. Know?
29:06
And when you're in a situation like that
29:09
and you're looking for support of like, and it's
29:12
I shouldn't that this isn't a big this isn't a big deal.
29:16
Like as big a deal is as I as I want it to be. Right.
29:20
It takes a lot of emotional.
29:23
Energy to ask one person to be like.
29:26
Am I fucking crazy?
29:27
Or is
29:28
or is this not maybe not that big of a deal
29:30
because everyone else seems to be acting like that.
29:32
And when that person is like, no, no, no, that person
29:34
out of the person is not like, you should call the cops.
29:38
You don't want to.
29:39
Even have that conversation again.
29:40
And he doesn't like you.
29:42
He does it in the right situation.
29:45
Charlie, Emma and like her father or someone and this and like
29:50
a psychiatrist should have all sat down and been like, hey, this is what happens.
29:54
Yeah, you all should. Know about. This,
29:57
you know, and let's
29:59
see what we can, you know, do I just feel like again, like.
30:03
Conversating I feel would have been the way that the.
30:06
Solutions. Approach you. Yeah.
30:08
Yeah yeah. Like the, the.
30:10
The craziness that ensues or the drama that ensues.
30:14
I mean, so what did you take as, I mean, I think we, we get shots with the editing
30:20
of what Charlie is imagining.
30:23
I could not have done be doing, I think the.
30:26
Montage where he can not see the young,
30:30
her being with the young, her, the the when the shooter is.
30:33
Kind of.
30:35
It is dark, but hilarious.
30:37
I made that montage, so. Cracks me up.
30:40
And then you kind of are like, he's looking.
30:43
He's looking through the book.
30:44
Of when he gets the the.
30:47
I guess, like the high fashion.
30:48
Of the women with the guns and the rifles and,
30:52
he because it's shots.
30:55
I mean, yeah.
30:56
There's a large portion of the.
30:57
Country where that's fetishized. Yeah,
31:01
yeah.
31:01
But so we're getting all of these quick
31:05
kind of edits of what he could be imagining.
31:09
There's a one.
31:10
There's one quick one where it's like, I think that's it is reality.
31:14
Where he talks to Mike about calling off the wedding.
31:17
I think it might be afterwards or the day afterwards.
31:21
No, that's in his head.
31:22
No, that is in his head.
31:24
That's in his head.
31:24
Like Mike.
31:25
Mike saying like, get out of the fucking country.
31:28
And like, I'll, I mean, no, that's that's in Charlie's head.
31:32
I and I think that actually now thinking back on it,
31:36
if he would have actually spoken to Mike,
31:39
I think it would. Have been that. Bad.
31:41
Nope. Mike would have been like, no, no, no, no, let's sit down.
31:43
This is this is upsetting.
31:46
And, you know, and even I was like, hey, this is that's really fucked.
31:51
But like, I thought about it and, you know, it was both.
31:54
I really think Mike would have been the one to bring him down, but
31:58
he doesn't feel like he can talk to him because of.
32:01
Yeah, Rachel's.
32:03
And also. Jessica's. Or.
32:06
Yeah.
32:06
Like the whole situation is probably just so uncomfortable.
32:08
You know, you don't want to you don't want to embarrass yourself.
32:12
To a friend when you're looking for support.
32:15
And in his mind, right then he wasn't going to get it.
32:18
So he backs away from it.
32:19
So it's another example of like if someone felt comfortable.
32:23
Reaching out for support and thinking that they would receive it,
32:27
it would save them a shitload of trauma.
32:30
Right.
32:30
And or, you know, three of the, you know, our two main characters.
32:35
Suffer from that where.
32:37
They don't.
32:38
Feel comfortable enough to entrust what they're thinking to somebody else.
32:42
And be open. And
32:45
and that's what leads to it.
32:46
And then the one person that he does it go well.
32:50
And, you know.
32:51
And that really breaks him.
32:53
For sure. And then.
32:55
Yeah, and then I we aren't.
32:58
Do you I mean, from what I saw, we are getting some, perspectives
33:04
that are from Emma's, what she wants to happen or what
33:07
she needs from him, which I think were really great.
33:11
You know, like, when he comes back into the apartment after the awful
33:14
night of the the reveal, and she wants she clearly she needs him to love her
33:21
to accept her, to be okay with her past or,
33:25
you know, again, it's like I, I feel for the girl
33:28
because is being bullied and a 14 year old and no connection.
33:33
So but we went all over all that but so yeah.
33:37
And you get these moments of Emma and when she wants
33:40
what she wants is just like love.
33:44
Basically from Charlie when we get her.
33:47
Her instances, of what she imagines that she wants to happen.
33:52
So I found that really that was,
33:56
I think, the the editing, the use of the editing and of what
34:00
the people are imagining in their heads,
34:02
versus and and it would just be so simple of.
34:06
Right, you know, like just communicating it like.
34:08
But again.
34:09
As simple as that's. Being. Human.
34:11
Is that right? Yeah. Like that's our.
34:13
That's our the hardest thing that we have
34:15
and all we have above like all of your animals.
34:17
Is our ability to communicate, but we still can communicate very well.
34:21
Yeah.
34:21
And so I know,
34:25
I mean, I would like to watch it again to, kind of do so many quick edits.
34:30
There's so many, you know, just this imagining of what could happen,
34:34
like even patterns and imagining that.
34:36
She slaughtered the entire wedding guests and.
34:40
The party, and that's, you know, I.
34:43
MRNA was about. Half.
34:44
So when I was it was a smaller theater.
34:46
But it's about Hessel.
34:47
That, that that.
34:51
Shot noise with that DJ setting up his equipment
34:56
made a like half the theater gasp.
34:59
They thought like it. Was it happening?
35:02
Yeah. They were like, oh my future.
35:04
Yeah, yeah.
35:05
They they 100% like, oh, you know, you heard that from people.
35:10
Which is.
35:10
Another good example, you know, again, of the film really.
35:14
Playing, I mean, and maybe.
35:15
The thing, maybe it plays all the angles too much.
35:18
Maybe, Zendaya like.
35:22
Hey, we saw you think we saw you smoked heroin in the street.
35:28
Therefore, you cannot be part of our wedding.
35:29
You should be. What the fuck is wrong with you?
35:32
It's like, oh, yeah.
35:35
But that's a comment that was also a reaction
35:37
to because her initial reaction to it was whatever.
35:41
She's she's.
35:42
DJ like if she smokes like they both were kind of,
35:46
if you. Know what I thought.
35:49
She was like in the beginning, that conversation
35:51
that they're having with each other about it, that they saw her,
35:54
I thought she was more kind of.
35:55
Mellow about it, where.
35:56
She was like, no, she was she.
35:58
Was really her.
35:59
No. I thought she was the one who wanted to then like go.
36:02
And he was like, I don't think so.
36:04
I think she was the one that wanted something to happen.
36:07
And then his. Friends were pushing.
36:08
I remember the opening, I don't remember.
36:10
Yeah, I think, I think that's what happen is that.
36:13
Yeah, he he caught it.
36:15
He saw Charlie out on the street.
36:17
I was like, look, I think that's our DJ.
36:18
But then like when they're discussing it at the table, it seemed that Rachel and.
36:22
Mike were both encouraging them to fire her.
36:26
And the DJ and Emma and Charlie were like,
36:30
I don't really know if we need to fire her.
36:32
And I thought Emma was.
36:33
Like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to do that.
36:36
You know.
36:38
So then I thought, is I so is it just.
36:41
Like a reversal because she felt that she need to do something?
36:46
In reaction to their reaction.
36:48
Right. Like, yes. Friends.
36:50
And now you knew this about her?
36:51
I thought it was, and I.
36:53
Well, we'll have to watch again at some point, I guess.
36:56
But I thought it was her kind of doing that.
36:59
Okay. You want me to.
37:01
Do. That?
37:02
Make sure that bad things.
37:03
People don't do bad things, and I'm a good person.
37:05
And, you know, because the friends were the ones kind of pushing to fire the DJ.
37:10
And so that works.
37:10
I took that, as, you know, if other people if I have to get fucking persecuted
37:16
for this shit. Right.
37:17
I didn't actually do anything.
37:19
So she took it out on this stage.
37:21
She takes out on her. Yeah.
37:23
The DJ and kind of a reversal of like, no, I'm gonna, you know, say bad.
37:28
This was bad or doing drugs. Bad.
37:30
You know, I it was kind of,
37:33
it was kind of, really crazy to fire your DJ on the day
37:39
of smoking heroin at some point, I don't know.
37:42
Protip, though, if you're having an argument with
37:45
someone who's hired you and you're still expecting them
37:49
after you say you're a cunt.
37:53
When they say you're fired, don't act surprised.
37:56
Not like up until that moment. Because.
37:58
Because she only acts. She.
38:00
Because I think she only says you're fired after, the.
38:05
DJ calls and there's she's like, you're being a real cunt.
38:08
And and then she gets fired and she's like, you're firing me?
38:11
I'm like, well.
38:12
What did you think the.
38:14
Yeah. Like, what did you think that that.
38:16
Particular statement would have led to like.
38:19
Oh, you think this would have been like, you're like, yeah, like, oh never.
38:23
Mind. You're right, I am you.
38:25
You know what, John?
38:27
I can't wait to play your song.
38:29
Yeah. I thought that was wild.
38:32
And I, I want to look deeper and I go, I gotta think more.
38:36
About their dance instructor.
38:38
She was a little rough, dude.
38:40
Well, but again, like.
38:41
But why? But why?
38:43
So why is she so why is she like that?
38:45
When they encounter somebody who,
38:48
if you don't do the exact plans.
38:51
The exact steps that have been given to you as the acceptable things,
38:55
you are wasting my fucking time.
38:57
And you are, you know. What are you doing?
39:00
And that's she goes from,
39:02
like, a dance instructor to as if she was.
39:07
The dance director for a major Broadway show.
39:10
And people are fucking up.
39:12
Just because these two people are.
39:14
Having fun dancing to their own song.
39:18
You know, practicing that dance for the other wedding.
39:21
Yeah. And it was, it shows like.
39:23
How close.
39:24
People are to going over the edge of normal to insane, right.
39:31
And that's all it took for her to to go over that.
39:33
And there was, there was two things that,
39:37
Charlie finally,
39:40
when he can not confront, but when he speaks.
39:43
To Rachel and Mike later, like in, Rachel's office.
39:48
And he's the first person to bring up.
39:50
You almost killed the boy like you only didn't.
39:53
Yeah.
39:54
You know, because, they let her off the hook way.
39:58
Too easily on that.
39:59
And Mike doesn't say.
39:59
Anything, and I know it's because, like, Charlie is supposed to be.
40:03
A weaker character. So I get why he didn't press that.
40:06
But as a watcher, I found that a little frustrating.
40:09
Or I was like,
40:11
of all the people in that room,
40:13
this person should not be having the like,
40:16
be getting off so easily on what they did.
40:19
I thought. That's.
40:20
Who forces.
40:22
The conversation and that, yeah, that is one thing that I had of just
40:27
I was like, it's not a cool thing to do if you're forcing everybody
40:32
to say the worst thing they've ever done, you it should be,
40:36
you know, a little bit like. Yes.
40:37
Okay, look, you know, and this reveals is shocking, right?
40:41
Right.
40:41
And she probably just should said something else. Yeah.
40:44
She said something else, but she was, you know, the the boos.
40:47
Were heavy and yeah, lips.
40:50
Were loose and so but it's like
40:53
no, that should be a, bubble of safety here.
40:57
You know, she's not revealing that she murdered someone yesterday.
41:01
She's not revealing, you know.
41:03
You know, it's not an immediate.
41:05
Rachel's reaction is like, there's a there needs to be an immediate.
41:09
Something needs to be done about what she did.
41:12
What am. Yeah. As a child.
41:14
And it's like,
41:15
I don't know if you're already forcing everybody to reveal these things.
41:18
I do think.
41:19
You need to create a little bit of a safe space here.
41:22
And like.
41:23
Let's just remember she's not her friend.
41:27
She's, Rachel's.
41:29
Friends with Pattinson. Yeah. It's,
41:33
that that stands.
41:34
Yeah.
41:35
They make a point of it that, like, those two weren't friends before.
41:39
Yeah.
41:40
And, I don't know, maybe there's some envy,
41:44
because I don't really get a lot
41:46
of great connection between Rachel and Mike.
41:49
I don't, I don't know, like, how their situation is.
41:51
We don't go very deep into it.
41:52
But maybe there's a certain, you know, thing of, of, jealousy,
41:58
towards Emma because she doesn't seem friendly to her ever.
42:02
No. And, you know, she even, like, she didn't really her reaction
42:06
that she later does, on a, her speech,
42:09
you know, being invited as a maid of honor, her interior
42:13
reality reaction was, you don't have any real friends.
42:16
Yeah. And that's why you're asking me.
42:19
And she also.
42:19
Apparently she hates Charlie a little bit, too.
42:22
It seems that it's kind of revealed because she's like,
42:25
you deserve each other. You you know, that's.
42:28
I guess you could say that she's accepting because.
42:31
Charlie's accepting her going through with the.
42:33
Marriage or whatever is Rachel.
42:34
Is like, okay, well, now you're a trash person, too.
42:36
Yeah. No, I that's the thing.
42:38
I think that Rachel has feelings for Charlie
42:40
and they were never reciprocated or, you know, or anything like that.
42:44
And that's led to a lot of animosity in her.
42:48
At least that's how the movie plays it off.
42:50
It plays it off like she has
42:53
just daggers.
42:54
For for these two folks.
42:57
I don't know if she overplayed it, you know, as he played it, but I don't think.
43:01
So, because at a certain point, the director would have noticed,
43:05
you know, like how hard she was going into that side.
43:08
But, yeah, I was, She was one of the more puzzling aspects
43:12
to understand, in
43:15
the film was like, what's her deal?
43:18
What is she?
43:20
You know, the crazy part is, though,
43:23
and maybe I'm giving us as people too much credit, but
43:28
I when I, you know, I, I walked out and I was like, but I mean
43:31
there's really kind of wild reactions.
43:34
Overly wild reaction. Yeah.
43:36
And I think that's kind of also the point.
43:38
But then I thought about it and I go, you know what though,
43:42
people might, might react this way.
43:45
Like people, if you look in the discourse, I mean, you had the internet, you know,
43:49
heightened different freaking reaction.
43:51
And so like, oh, you look at,
43:53
you know, the talk around the discussion around this of like, whether
43:57
she should have even been a school.
43:59
She would be school shooter.
44:00
And yeah, you know, all that discussion, it's like, okay,
44:04
maybe this would be people's reactions.
44:07
Like maybe they're, you know.
44:09
I mean, remember for every good.
44:12
That it is done,
44:13
you know, if anyone is accused of anything nowadays, they're guilty first.
44:18
And unless your, you know, a politician.
44:22
But for everyone else, as soon as.
44:25
You're
44:27
someone. Says
44:29
an accusation, they're guilty.
44:31
You're guilty until proven innocent.
44:33
And even then
44:35
I don't really think it matters.
44:36
Like here's what.
44:37
Because what happens if if something is accused
44:39
and it goes to court and it gets dropped or whatever the argument is?
44:43
Oh, well, it was years ago
44:45
and there wasn't, you know, how would you have evidence
44:46
for something that was, you know, supposedly happened years ago?
44:49
This person probably did do that.
44:51
So that doesn't even matter either.
44:53
So it's I, I.
44:54
Perception comes in.
44:56
Yeah. I mean like if.
44:57
Let's say like the argument was there's a video that pops up of of Zendaya
45:03
as a 13 year old girl and she says,
45:08
I would kill those people if I had the chance, she would be done.
45:13
She her career would be over.
45:15
It wouldn't matter that she was 13.
45:16
It wouldn't matter at all.
45:18
People would crucify her over something like that.
45:21
And so no, I think the film is properly portraying
45:26
the way that the greater the larger public would react to anything like that.
45:31
But but then patent since character
45:34
after out of all of his, you know, madness.
45:38
And how how far he goes down into a whole.
45:40
There's not being able to deal with this.
45:43
He says the most.
45:45
Insightful thing in the whole
45:46
movie, one of the most insightful things in the whole movie,
45:50
because, you know, you're you're
45:53
angry at her for something that she confessed,
45:56
you know, to thinking about doing and to planning.
45:59
But if you look out on the street, there are thousands of people
46:03
who have had thoughts like that every day, and they don't do it.
46:06
Yeah. And you don't think about it.
46:08
You don't know.
46:10
You just don't know.
46:11
And it's just your knowledge of knowing that that has turned you into this.
46:14
And it's.
46:16
It may.
46:17
Be like out of character, maybe a little bit at that point because,
46:20
you know, he's he's so thinking, but he's thinking of it 100 different ways.
46:24
Trying to rationalize.
46:25
Yeah, he's trying to to come to terms with it.
46:28
And that to me was yeah. No.
46:31
It was the summation.
46:32
Yeah.
46:33
I was I say that's kind of like a little bit of a summation of
46:36
like what the director I think is trying to get the point across here.
46:40
You know, that what happens in your head doesn't happen, in reality.
46:45
But we all treat our perception
46:49
of what we hear and what we think as reality, you know?
46:55
And,
46:56
I guess to, I mean, wrap it all up, unless you have anything.
47:00
No, no, I was, I mean, we
47:03
we talked about so much about it in such a short time already.
47:06
Yeah. Bush burying trauma.
47:09
Allen is a horrible person.
47:10
She's the most sane one.
47:12
I, I I'm okay. I'm.
47:14
I like the ending.
47:16
I actually genuinely think.
47:17
Like the way that everyone's going to react to.
47:20
What happened at the wedding.
47:22
They're going to have.
47:23
Each other and they don't need anyone else, and they'll be fine.
47:28
It's how I view the ending like yep
47:31
they're going to be fine just with the two of them.
47:33
It also just it occurs to you that what happens in a relationship
47:38
is its own little interior world.
47:41
And everybody's outside
47:43
opinion of it really doesn't matter.
47:47
You know, like it's a, it's, it's between the two people.
47:50
It really is. It's between the two people.
47:53
And there's that aspect of it.
47:56
But I also liked The Full Circle,
47:59
where it starts off of where
48:04
he's,
48:06
you know, coming on to her at the coffee shop
48:08
and she doesn't hear him.
48:10
And so then he she's like, let's start over.
48:12
And that's kind of their thing, you know, a little bit.
48:15
She tried it, I think to show the movie.
48:18
To be like, yeah.
48:20
I see that this is really you're spiraling over this.
48:23
I'm still me.
48:24
Let's like, hey, let's start over.
48:26
And that's kind of their like their go to, to help.
48:31
Which there was.
48:33
Before midnight. Linklater's Before Midnight.
48:36
Yeah. Yeah.
48:37
That's one of my favorite scenes where he.
48:39
Tries to stand two.
48:41
Thirds of the way through the film.
48:42
Like, yeah, you, you know, or actually no.
48:44
He says in the same scene, he tries it, he gets stopped.
48:49
But then later in that scene as they're, as they're sitting at night,
48:54
she starts to, you know, to, to play along with it.
48:57
So yeah.
48:59
I yeah, I thought it was a, it was, it was great.
49:02
I enjoyed watching it a lot.
49:03
Yeah.
49:04
I don't I'm not going to really care about like what other people think towards it
49:06
because I know that people are going to be very locked into.
49:11
Oh, you're making a joke of this.
49:12
I don't really I don't think it's doing that at all.
49:16
I think that it's helping.
49:18
I think that laughing at really awful things
49:21
while trying to discuss them helps, trying to discuss them first.
49:26
So you know, that's that was Mel Brooks's entire thing, which I'm going
49:30
to make the worst person in the world look like a fucking clown.
49:35
And that helps me deal with
49:38
those awful people.
49:42
So I think it's, you know,
49:45
I don't think it's to that extent that the he's doing this in this film,
49:48
but it's like
49:49
we want to be able to talk about this, but I'm going to break it up a little bit
49:52
and give you some like darkly comic, you know, comedy.
49:54
Her computer crashing was so.
49:56
Yeah that was the and the kid did she's a toy toys try to like yeah reboot.
50:02
You get into character.
50:03
You do the thing then she can't do it. Yeah.
50:06
It was there was a lot of funny moments and yeah, the darkly funny moments.
50:10
But I also think there was I do think it kind of opens up the conversation
50:14
a little bit of like it's it's a small thing, but patterns and magic.
50:20
Mentions his bullying.
50:21
Charlie mentions his bullying, that he's not sure
50:24
if it really caused somebody to move or not.
50:26
But there's a moment that Emma is trying to explain,
50:29
I think how awful the bullying was like that.
50:32
Her daily harassment. And
50:37
he kind of doesn't get it.
50:39
It does seem like that's his reaction.
50:42
Seems almost like that's what caused it.
50:46
Like, this is what caused I for my memory, I don't remember.
50:49
Yeah I don't.
50:50
He doesn't have his like he doesn't kind of he goes what
50:53
I was a bad you know he didn't like see it as that bad.
50:57
It seemed like his reaction.
50:59
Which is something he didn't get bullied.
51:00
I well, that's what.
51:02
I'm. Saying.
51:03
Like. Yeah.
51:04
Yeah.
51:04
Like he does think. That. He.
51:08
Doesn't understand how impactful it can. Be.
51:10
Yeah, exactly.
51:11
And I think that was a point that I kind of picked up on and I, I liked
51:16
was like and I think it does open up the conversation of,
51:19
yeah, bullying is a massive problem.
51:22
That we need to acknowledge and open up.
51:25
The discussion about, like, and I think, again.
51:28
If, if the Emma character went through and she was a mass shooter.
51:32
Awful, terrible.
51:33
But yeah, I do think it does open up the conversation of like, well,
51:37
what led this now seemingly emotionally stable person to.
51:42
I think the other and again, is.
51:45
You know, Pattinson brings it up.
51:47
His character brings it up.
51:50
It's a uniquely American problem.
51:52
No, it's not like bullying didn't exist
51:54
except for the last, you know, since Columbine,
51:56
it doesn't only exist in the United States of America,
51:59
but the United States of America is the only place where you constantly
52:02
have school fucking shootings.
52:04
So, yeah, what's going on?
52:07
What's the difference? Yeah.
52:08
What's the I mean, the difference is obvious and stupid
52:10
and people will never people who on the other side will never,
52:14
you know, come up to that realization
52:18
because they don't want to
52:21
But that's also, you know, the biggest thing like this
52:25
isn't a uniquely American problem in bullying.
52:29
It isn't even like this generation.
52:32
It's, it's a it's been a forever thing for kids.
52:36
But it's harder nowadays with social media it's easier.
52:40
It's a lot easier to do it and it's constant.
52:44
There's no like
52:45
and then you get a break from it when you go home, like it doesn't fucking stop.
52:50
It's endless. Yeah.
52:52
And then you have the easy access to
52:56
a violent end.
52:58
Yeah.
53:00
It's a yeah, it's a cocktail.
53:02
It's a cocktail for.
53:03
Yeah. Awful things to happen.
53:06
That's so cool.
53:08
What a way to end the conversation.
53:10
But, yeah, I mean, there's no, there's no, I think the the happiness or the happy,
53:15
the happy ending of the film is you've got, a couple that seems to now
53:20
finally understand each other is okay being more vulnerable with each other.
53:25
Yeah. And. Yeah. Yeah.
53:27
Like if, if she, if he can,
53:31
if she can find it to move.
53:32
On from the experience that happens that we witnessed at the wedding.
53:36
Then she will the cheating prior to the wedding with the coworker or the.
53:40
Yeah. The then the, yeah.
53:42
The awful speeches and even like, this
53:45
falling apart, of of that.
53:49
Yeah. She can.
53:51
How the speech like deteriorates into all the notes.
53:54
That Mike.
53:55
Mike told him in the opening like, don't, don't
53:59
take that out.
54:00
Like everything that he was told in the beginning to get out again.
54:04
Mike seems, Mike seems good. Yeah.
54:07
Mike seems like a good source said that Charlie needs, in his life.
54:12
I wonder going forward if he has it.
54:14
I tell you, I wouldn't be surprised
54:16
if Rachel and Mike were divorced within a month of the end of that song.
54:20
I could see that happening.
54:22
It's funny, because I.
54:24
Can see Mike being like, I'm going to support them and her being like, you're.
54:28
Fucking ass.
54:29
But at the same time, if if it's very quick editing, I'm almost positive.
54:35
I see that. You see Rachel
54:39
trying to physically a cost the.
54:42
Boyfriend who headbutts, Robert.
54:44
Pattinson. Yeah. Then she starts to so.
54:47
I wonder if, like, if she had a mental slip
54:50
that we don't get to really experience where she was like.
54:54
It's like a tribalism. Like, no. Yeah.
54:57
It's like now I can.
54:58
The thing is, the violence is against him.
55:02
Yeah. And I think that.
55:03
If it was on her, if it was on Emma, she wouldn't give a shit.
55:07
But again, it feeds into my thing of like,
55:09
there's more in her mind towards Charlie.
55:13
That. Maybe she's even willing to. Admit.
55:16
Because, yeah, she slips immediately and it's like.
55:18
I'll fucking kill you.
55:20
Like I remember, you know, or, you know, something that would.
55:22
Yeah, yeah.
55:23
I brought you, Just to wrap.
55:25
I know we got to wrap up, but, like, I was telling Melissa about this movie.
55:29
My wife, and she.
55:31
She reminded me.
55:31
She was like, oh, it's like that line that you really like in 12 Angry Men,
55:34
you know that that sequence.
55:36
Where he beats.
55:39
One of
55:39
the other jurors into saying, I'll kill you.
55:43
And Henry Fonda says, you don't really mean you'll kill me.
55:46
They'll do you,
55:48
because that's sometimes just the thing people say.
55:50
Yeah, yeah, it's it's good.
55:53
It's a great movie to watch.
55:55
And then sit down and talk about it for like two fucking hours, because,
55:59
yeah, it's it's got a lot to say. And,
56:02
And there's so many I mean, the school shooter,
56:04
the mass shooter aspect takes over the conversation.
56:08
But there, there's these other little, you know, deeper.
56:11
Yeah.
56:11
Subplots of how well do you know your partner, how vulnerable
56:15
are you willing to be with your partner?
56:16
How do your friendships, affect your your partnership?
56:20
Yeah.
56:21
So there's a there is a whole, you know, subplot of the relationship there.
56:27
Yeah.
56:27
That I think also just a rewatch of because the edits are so quick.
56:31
They're, they're so quick of the flashes of these things.
56:36
Yeah.
56:36
It's just this thing, the ring or the rings, the poster that.
56:41
Yeah, yeah, in the poster, it's it's her holding up her.
56:45
Hand, you know, as you know.
56:48
Yeah. It's right on his, his chest. Yeah.
56:50
Showing the ring off.
56:52
But when you see that image in the movie,
56:55
she's pointing at him with the finger gun symbol.
56:59
So. Okay, so I didn't catch it on the fridge.
57:02
The picture on it's. On the fridge. Yeah.
57:04
So I didn't catch that. Really.
57:08
But.
57:09
So, Ryan, my husband brought it to my attention.
57:12
He's like, I think it changes, like from the poster to the the photo,
57:17
and then I, I questioned, then I was like, but I didn't, I didn't notice that.
57:21
Does it change at some point with his?
57:23
I don't think it changes. I just. Perception.
57:25
I think it's that they.
57:27
The poster is one thing.
57:29
And then when you see that image in the film, it's a different image.
57:33
Although I will argue, I think you could have put out that poster.
57:37
With the image of that, and no one would have batted an eyelash.
57:41
And then when the
57:42
movie came out, you would have been like, Jesus Christ.
57:45
Yeah, you know, it's an interesting. Choice.
57:48
I remember when,
57:52
What was the second film?
57:54
It was the sequel, the.
57:55
Unknown sequel to unbreakable at the time when it came out.
58:00
The my channel
58:03
on, the second film, Split Glass.
58:06
Okay.
58:06
Split, as I want to say, shatter.
58:10
There was an
58:13
a hidden in plain sight.
58:15
Tell that that was a sequel.
58:17
To. Unbreakable.
58:19
And it was.
58:19
If you took the two.
58:21
Theatrical posters and put them next.
58:22
To each other, the Shattering Glass met
58:27
in the middle.
58:28
You could put them next to each other and the glass that was broken. On.
58:32
The one half of the original unbreakable poster.
58:35
That expands.
58:37
Line to line in the in the other poster.
58:40
For split and you didn't know it.
58:43
You could have put it together if.
58:45
You would have, like, thought of it, you would have never thought of it.
58:48
And I yeah, I wonder what the decision was
58:53
to change the poster.
58:54
Is it is it to have this moment afterwards to be like, oh wow, look at that.
58:59
Or was A24 really.
59:01
Fucking terrified of promoting this movie for what it was?
59:06
I, I hate to be like, it's a marketing thing.
59:10
It's a marketing thing.
59:11
You've got two big names.
59:13
Zendaya, especially.
59:16
You want the butts in the seats before the the conversation you know, you need.
59:22
I do think it might be a get them get them to the theater.
59:26
Do you think it's
59:29
what's your reaction then to.
59:30
Like, if someone watched this and they're, like,
59:33
deceived, they feel a little deceived.
59:35
Like they needed a trigger warning.
59:38
Or they were just straight up sold a bag of goods that wasn't the movies
59:41
they were going to see. It was. Yeah.
59:43
But I don't think the trailers.
59:46
Here's the thing.
59:46
Watching the trailers, I did
59:47
seem like it was going to be some kind of psychological.
59:51
Something seems off.
59:53
Dark. Yeah, where you're like, oh, this isn't.
59:55
Just going to be funny.
59:56
Like there's going to be something that happens, you know.
59:59
At the very least, Robert.
1:00:01
Pattinson is going to discover that he's actually gay, you know, and then like, and
1:00:04
break off the wedding at the end or something like that.
1:00:06
Yeah.
1:00:07
Because I yeah, we're getting I mean, maybe if you don't have
1:00:12
like a higher media literacy, you're just seeing an awkward couple.
1:00:16
Because I guess you could take it as a this is a really uncomfortable
1:00:19
couple because, like, I think, like, the photo shoot is in the.
1:00:22
Trailer where, like.
1:00:24
But then we learned, you know,
1:00:25
after the trailer that it's really like they're doing this photoshoot
1:00:28
after the night of the reveal and he's having all these crazy.
1:00:32
So it's about it. So it does like it.
1:00:35
That moment that was hilarious to, which is the photographer,
1:00:39
like basically gives up on obviously we know what it's going to be good.
1:00:43
So we'll catch it, we'll go to deal. With it.
1:00:46
And you get, you get the. The the early,
1:00:51
the foreshadow that
1:00:52
like he may sway very quickly
1:00:56
to someone else in an act of desperation, because he can't smile.
1:01:00
But then he looks at the, the blond is working of destiny,
1:01:04
and just for a hot second, he, like, has a genuine smile
1:01:08
because he's just desperate to find, like, normalcy
1:01:11
like that normal relationship again somewhere.
1:01:14
But yes, I don't know,
1:01:15
maybe people I honestly, I didn't read a whole lot of did this.
1:01:18
I'm not I'm not going to.
1:01:20
Yeah. Like I don't know if it matters to me.
1:01:23
I think it maybe I guess you,
1:01:26
but I this is where I'm going to sound so old.
1:01:29
And you know, it's like it's like a cancel
1:01:32
kind of comment for an old person to say,
1:01:36
I don't
1:01:37
really, truly believe in trigger warnings.
1:01:40
Like, there are some movies that like, I'll mention one that I had,
1:01:45
like a panic attack afterwards, but, like,
1:01:47
I don't know how you would give it a trigger warning as, like Aftersun.
1:01:50
I had like a panic attack after watching Aftersun with Pascal.
1:01:55
Yeah.
1:01:56
That movie was a little too close to comfort.
1:01:59
Yeah.
1:02:00
Yeah, but I don't think, you know, I don't think I would put a trigger
1:02:03
warning on it, but, So I don't know if you know that.
1:02:07
That's the thing. I don't know. That's a generational thing.
1:02:10
Yeah, yeah, it's a generation like in an old person because.
1:02:14
Yeah, because. I, I don't have that either.
1:02:16
It's like if I watch something that's upsetting, it's okay.
1:02:19
Yeah, I'm okay with.
1:02:20
Watching something that actually upsets me.
1:02:24
But I
1:02:25
understand that people are not like that.
1:02:28
Yeah.
1:02:30
Yeah. Funny.
1:02:32
So like, yeah, I don't, I don't know, maybe it would be beneficial
1:02:35
for people when they went in to know this plot point.
1:02:39
I don't, I don't think that the marketing is trying to fool you.
1:02:41
I do think that, I mean,
1:02:43
it is at the beginning of the movie, it does set up the inciting incident.
1:02:47
I yeah, I was okay.
1:02:48
Though, that it was I, I'm happy that the.
1:02:52
Point is the point is the characters don't know.
1:02:56
Yeah. So you're not supposed. To know.
1:02:57
You're in their seats.
1:02:58
You need to have the reaction that they're going to have
1:03:01
or your own reaction to this information reveal.
1:03:04
So I, I appreciate that it was, you know,
1:03:07
I didn't catch the spoiler before we, we went in, I didn't either.
1:03:10
Yeah. No.
1:03:11
So it's funny, this is just go ahead.
1:03:14
No, no, no, I was just, you know, the point that
1:03:19
if you know it beforehand, you're going to make your.
1:03:21
Own determinations and then bring that in there with you.
1:03:24
Yeah.
1:03:24
And it's been proven true because that's what I,
1:03:27
you know, that's what people are going to do.
1:03:29
Oh, well, this is unforgivable.
1:03:31
And it this person's terrible person.
1:03:32
That's an end of the movie.
1:03:35
You know, that's.
1:03:35
Not the point of storytelling, right?
1:03:37
Like we the brilliance of, of of a film is you can show different perspectives.
1:03:42
You can.
1:03:43
Also it also. Proves at the movies. Right.
1:03:46
It's it's the reaction is that it solidifies that.
1:03:49
The movie is 100% fucking accurate.
1:03:52
It nailed it.
1:03:53
Yeah.
1:03:53
I, you know, you kind of you proved the thesis of the film before you even saw.
1:03:59
It, right?
1:04:00
Because you were told something and you said, I never, man,
1:04:03
I don't need to know anything else because that's crazy.
1:04:05
This person's insane. How could you ever back them up?
1:04:08
Ta-Da!
1:04:09
That's not. Done. Yeah.
1:04:12
Funny.
1:04:13
This is just, I guess I know before we, I know I said I think we.
1:04:16
Okay, we'll wrap this up half hour ago, but,
1:04:19
the funny side note of Pattinson being in another film
1:04:24
that people have like strong reactions to the non
1:04:29
to reveal with this. Yes.
1:04:33
Okay. But that. One.
1:04:34
Remember me remember. Me. Yeah that is like.
1:04:38
And so I guess for people I feel I'm sure but not really.
1:04:42
I don't feel bad about it specifically because I don't think it's a great movie.
1:04:45
I don't think it needs to be watched. But.
1:04:48
That's also it doesn't.
1:04:50
It's a totally. Different thing because it's.
1:04:51
It's just it's throw it in.
1:04:53
Just me stalling at the end.
1:04:54
It's a left sealed saying and yeah, it's
1:04:59
it is one of the, fucking.
1:05:02
Craziest decisions I've ever seen in a movie.
1:05:05
And especially in that moment in time.
1:05:08
Okay, so here's a look at what happened when I watched this movie.
1:05:13
So I watched this
1:05:14
movie after it came out on DVD.
1:05:17
I guess, like,
1:05:17
I guess the normal amount when it was like six months after three months
1:05:21
after what you could get on like Redbox or in college.
1:05:25
And we watched it with all of the floor, like the my floor and my dorms.
1:05:30
And so like there was like ten of us.
1:05:32
Did you not?
1:05:33
No, no, none of us knew except for except for one person.
1:05:37
One person had seen it before.
1:05:39
It was like, let's watch this behind me.
1:05:42
Oh, that person's great.
1:05:43
To not tell anything.
1:05:45
The moment happens.
1:05:46
Where? Yeah, he hit the building.
1:05:49
It's hit by the play in the 911.
1:05:52
But they don't show it. They don't show.
1:05:53
They don't show. It.
1:05:54
Yeah, yeah.
1:05:55
But it's implied that he said he dies in 911.
1:05:59
Or is it. Yeah.
1:06:00
Oh yeah. No. Because he's way up.
1:06:02
Yeah. Yeah. Building like. Right.
1:06:03
He's not getting out of there. Yeah.
1:06:05
And so we finish the film.
1:06:09
And then this I guess is kind
1:06:11
of like proving the point of like this, like how.
1:06:14
Triggering things can be.
1:06:17
And I don't blame her because it was like, not,
1:06:19
I mean, yeah, 911 I guess was like ten years before that.
1:06:23
But I would still argue, like for New Yorkers, it's still really ever present.
1:06:28
It's just that's the way it is.
1:06:31
And one of our, our floor
1:06:34
mates lost it, like, angry,
1:06:37
like raging that they would throw this in,
1:06:41
that it's not, drama point that, you know, and it's totally understandable.
1:06:46
Like. Yeah.
1:06:46
Because it has nothing to do with the rest of the movie.
1:06:49
Yeah.
1:06:50
There's nothing heavy shit that you're not, you.
1:06:52
Know, and I would argue that we haven't we still haven't really reconciled.
1:06:57
As a country with what happened in 911.
1:07:00
We still have no way to properly talk about it.
1:07:04
So yeah, but that was my experience with it.
1:07:08
And I just remember being like, silently
1:07:11
being like, I, I've got nothing to add to this conversation.
1:07:15
Yeah.
1:07:15
And it was and it was just.
1:07:16
A hard core argument to.
1:07:19
For anyone who has seen.
1:07:20
The film already and, and the floor mate
1:07:23
who was like livid that that this happened.
1:07:27
Just to.
1:07:28
Just to if you haven't seen the film and you're listening.
1:07:31
It's a movie.
1:07:32
About like, you know, a guy,
1:07:33
young man who won't, like, just take the job working for his father,
1:07:37
and he's trying to make his own way in this, that it's a lot of stuff happens.
1:07:41
Ultimately, he gets a job.
1:07:44
And he's at the office of the job.
1:07:47
And then the camera, as he's staring out the.
1:07:49
Window, the camera backs up and I want to see he's in tower
1:07:52
two of the world trade.
1:07:56
And if I remember.
1:07:57
Correctly, you hear a plane
1:08:00
and then it goes.
1:08:01
Black. And that's the end of the film.
1:08:04
So the idea is like his first day on this
1:08:08
new job is on September 11th.
1:08:12
2001, which I think is slightly hinted at
1:08:16
when you hear dates earlier in the film or something like that,
1:08:21
but it has no other.
1:08:25
Tom Ryan like that.
1:08:27
Like it's just it's just this crazy fucking thing to throw in at the end,
1:08:33
you know?
1:08:34
And then that's how it is.
1:08:35
Like, that's how it ends.
1:08:37
It's just a cut to black.
1:08:39
And that's the end of the film.
1:08:42
Out of nowhere.
1:08:44
It's nothing to be discussed.
1:08:45
It has no, like, take on this or like it.
1:08:48
Nothing. It's just. What?
1:08:50
How does that. Shock.
1:08:51
Story. It's just a crazy ending.
1:08:54
Yeah.
1:08:55
But so I just I had. Very, very.
1:08:57
I had I thought that was slightly funny that Pattinson is yet and another.
1:09:03
I remember.
1:09:03
When that came out and that happened
1:09:07
and that news got to me before
1:09:09
I saw the movie and
1:09:13
I just remember people being like, you will not fuck you.
1:09:16
Could I, could you give me a thousand guesses
1:09:19
and you are not going to get what happened.
1:09:22
In okay movie. Yeah.
1:09:24
And there's the difference, right?
1:09:25
Like there's a difference between this one.
1:09:27
I would say, like,
1:09:28
I don't think the marketing is leading you to believe that this is a rom com.
1:09:32
You know, and whereas like.
1:09:35
Remember Me is.
1:09:36
Sold and for the most part until the very end is a romance movie.
1:09:42
It is a romantic movie like
1:09:46
so that's where like
1:09:47
I say, this is a yeah, but anyway, it's.
1:09:51
Very, very weird.
1:09:52
The experience that that thing was when I, when that came out
1:09:57
and at the time that it came out because it was still like,
1:09:59
you know, sort of fresh in everyone's mind.
1:10:02
Yeah. And I think that was what was so triggering.
1:10:05
But that was like the.
1:10:06
I probably the first like, should there be a trigger.
1:10:09
Warning, Debate that I heard you know, like when we were starting to like.
1:10:13
Because my roommate and my floor mate were like, going at it
1:10:18
a debate for like an hour whether there should have been a trigger.
1:10:22
There should have been something that alerted you to this.
1:10:26
But anyway, yeah, I, I thinking back, I would like to rewatch the drama.
1:10:31
I think coming out of it I was like,
1:10:34
do I want to rewatch it?
1:10:36
But I think that was maybe.
1:10:37
Just my like,
1:10:39
infuriating with the people, the other characters in the film.
1:10:44
You know?
1:10:45
Yeah, the, the a lot of character, a lot of character.
1:10:47
We don't want to just fucking.
1:10:50
Yeah, I just want to. She's trying to people.
1:10:52
I just want to be like, how are you.
1:10:54
Not giving her the her do shit for what she admitted to?
1:10:58
Like after all of this, but.
1:10:59
Yeah, well. Yeah, check it out.
1:11:02
I definitely.
1:11:03
I mean, I hope you checked it out already before you listen to this conversation,
1:11:07
but, you know, whichever way you consume, it is fine.
1:11:12
All right. Cool. Well, thanks.
1:11:14
Thanks for coming. On to talk about that, Pete.
1:11:16
And he'll have some, new movies coming up to discuss.
1:11:21
And I don't know the schedule of the movie releases, but, we try to.
1:11:26
I know Pete and I always try and get to catch them in theaters.
1:11:29
Yeah.
1:11:30
Trying to get to the theaters.
1:11:32
Yeah, especially like a project.
1:11:34
Hail Mary. Go, go see that in theaters.
1:11:37
You're gonna want to experience on a big screen.
1:11:39
I even regret, it not being, not seeing it on a larger screen.
1:11:44
I was in, like, a smaller theater for our,
1:11:47
our local, film society has a nice little,
1:11:51
membership thing, and they have a good theater,
1:11:54
great projector, everything that was just a little bit a smaller theater.
1:11:57
So I would even recommend, like, if you can go see it in a larger format.
1:12:01
I think I would also just I mean, even for me, like
1:12:05
the drama is a great movie to see up on the big screen too,
1:12:07
because of some of the visuals that you know are in it.
1:12:11
You know, as you're jumping around, it
1:12:14
brings you into that space of Pattinson's like,
1:12:18
dwindling sanity, and just trying to deal with it.
1:12:21
So yeah, I. Think, yeah.
1:12:23
Encouraged just and also it's just being able to turn off.
1:12:28
I think that's I don't know why I'm advocating suddenly for moviegoing or.
1:12:32
Seeing in theater things, but.
1:12:34
I think it does.
1:12:36
It does help. Yeah.
1:12:37
And but it also just it's a really nice relief to shut off the phone,
1:12:42
block out the noise. Yeah.
1:12:44
No dogs, no distractions, just.
1:12:47
You know, and if you don't own dogs, you probably shouldn't have dogs regularly.
1:12:50
Also you shouldn't you just shouldn't just have dogs around you.
1:12:54
Probably a good idea.
1:12:56
Right? Right.
1:12:56
You know, and I don't even know whoever's noisy in your life
1:12:59
is not interrupting you while you're trying to absorb a film.
1:13:03
Especially the drama.
1:13:04
Where, like, there's such quick edits that you could miss thing so easily.
1:13:08
And I don't think that the drama is something that really should be paused.
1:13:12
I think you kind of need to, like.
1:13:13
Ride that one through.
1:13:15
Yeah, sit with that.
1:13:17
Yeah.
1:13:18
All right. Cool. Well. Thank you.
1:13:19
This was so much fun.
1:13:22
Thanks, everyone. Bye!
1:13:26
Hey, guys. Ashley here.
1:13:27
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1:13:31
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1:13:37
As a follow up to this episode, I think I'm going to do a rewatch of Dream
1:13:40
Scenario, the director's previous film, because I always find the connections
1:13:43
between the topics they choose and how they grapple with them adds value
1:13:47
to understanding their breadth of work.
1:13:48
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