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#1832 Zero Gravity - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I've got a team. Welcome to the project. Tiffany Cook
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Speaker 1: and Patrick Bonello. Those two have just been talking non stop.
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Speaker 1: So I'm interrupting them to start the show. And now
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Speaker 1: you can continue. Patrick, Now you can keep going. See
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Speaker 1: all your good stuff happens before we start, because there's
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Speaker 1: nothing of none of that you can talk about on
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Speaker 1: the show.
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Speaker 2: That's very true. I just think it's really rude that
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Speaker 2: tiff and I are having a conversation and you butt
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Speaker 2: in with your show.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, I apologize. It's very selfish
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Speaker 1: of me, but I'm an only child. You were, and
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Speaker 1: we're not going to explore the revelation that came to light,
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Speaker 1: but you'd realize that you may have been sabotaging your
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Speaker 1: potential to find a playmate. We'll call it that.
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Speaker 2: Can you sell that now and not have any context?
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Speaker 2: That's just silly. Well, oh sure you can give the context.
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Speaker 2: Oh I don't want to give the context, but I
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Speaker 2: exactly thoated the and all listeners sitting there thinking, what
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Speaker 2: the hell are those idiots talking about? At the ste
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Speaker 2: They're all going to turn off.
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Speaker 1: No, Well, we were talking about the fact that you
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Speaker 1: may have been unconsciously unintentionally sabotaging your dating efforts. Can
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Speaker 1: we say that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I guess well, because I said my favorite color
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Speaker 2: is green. It was Sir Patrick's day earlier this week,
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Speaker 2: and I realized I was not only wearing a green top,
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Speaker 2: well a hoodie with a green T shirt underneath. But
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Speaker 2: it's a if anyone's been to Berlin, this is really
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Speaker 2: cool shop or shops around Berlin called Ampelmann, and Ampelmann
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Speaker 2: is the little red dude that's on the street lights
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Speaker 2: that makes you stop and a little picture of a
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Speaker 2: green dude that allows you to walk across the intersection,
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Speaker 2: so the stop go character. But it's it's almost the
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Speaker 2: Monopoly like character, isn't it. When you look at it,
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Speaker 2: it looks a bit like the Monopoly dude, So you
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Speaker 2: can if you can imagine green. Well, I've got this
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Speaker 2: hoodie that I bought in Berlin, which I love. It's
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Speaker 2: one of my is my favorite hoodie, and it's got
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Speaker 2: the the go guy on the front, the little umpleman
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Speaker 2: green guy on the front, but it's got the red
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Speaker 2: stop guy on the back. And Craig suggested that may
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Speaker 2: be hindering my ability to be able to meet up
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Speaker 2: with people on tapes.
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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm suggesting that you just maybe have a
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Speaker 1: green No, I don't know what I'm suggesting.
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's the grown man who get a top that's
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Speaker 2: eyed on. It is probably why people.
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Speaker 1: I think a couple of our listeners will figure out
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Speaker 1: where I was going, but I hope most of them
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Speaker 1: don't have Good morning, TIV morning. How are you very good?
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Speaker 3: Thanks?
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Speaker 1: I heard that you're going on a date tomorrow and
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Speaker 1: Patrick's going on a date tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, how exciting?
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Speaker 1: And are your dogs also going on the date?
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Speaker 2: They are?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Luna can't wait?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you two doing?
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Speaker 3: Didn't run around in the park, roll in the grass
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Speaker 3: us a little bit, have some lunch yep.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Fritz and Luna on speaking terms.
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Speaker 3: I've met once.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. But we're also bringing in a third wildcard
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Speaker 2: factor here. Another friend of mine, Kim, is bringing her
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Speaker 2: dog Walter Wally, and Wally is probably in the same
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Speaker 2: league as Luna in terms of dogs that go absolutely
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Speaker 2: psycho with other dogs. Could I be right in saying that, Tiff?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, your dog? Does your dog go nuts? Tiff?
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she can do really all sorts. She's all sorts.
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Speaker 2: But with it's so fast. When you see a whippet
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Speaker 2: running at the park and they do that. What I
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Speaker 2: love about the whippets is not just the speed and acceleration,
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Speaker 2: it's the ability to turn around on a postage stamp
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Speaker 2: and suddenly go in the opposite direction. And that's why
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Speaker 2: I'm so excited. I've been trying to organize this three
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Speaker 2: way date for such a long time between my friend
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Speaker 2: and her whippet so that she can meet at Luna.
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Speaker 2: That's pretty exciting. But we're probably boring everybody out. We did.
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Speaker 1: Probably are.
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Speaker 3: We'll put some puppy spam in in the face.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, don't you. Today I was just thinking, I don't
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Speaker 2: know whether it made big news in conventional media, because
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Speaker 2: it only just occurred to me this morning that probably
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Speaker 2: everybody was watching this on television, whereas I was watching
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Speaker 2: it via the NASA live feed. But the astronauts coming
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Speaker 2: back from the International Space Station on the Dragon X
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Speaker 2: recovery vehicle, you know, the little shuttle they have. Did
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Speaker 2: you watch that? Did you know about that? Because I
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Speaker 2: get pinged when NASA has an interesting thing happened. I'm
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Speaker 2: constantly being you know, like, oh, look, the International Space
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Speaker 2: Station is flying over so you can log onto a
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Speaker 2: live feed. But did you know about that? Was that
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Speaker 2: big in the news this week?
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Speaker 1: You really do need to get a television. I know
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Speaker 1: you don't want one, but it's been all over the
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Speaker 1: news week. That's like saying, did any of you notice
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Speaker 1: that in the morning the sun comes up? Has anybody?
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Speaker 1: Has anybody noticed that? Or just me, yes, Patrick, it's
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Speaker 1: been all over the news, but it is death. I
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Speaker 1: look I mean you would look at it from all
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Speaker 1: the tech and the sci fi not sci fi, but
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Speaker 1: the space I look at it from the physiology. I think, Wow,
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Speaker 1: these two bodies haven't experienced gravity, for actual real gravity
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Speaker 1: for nine months, and just to think about the physiological destruction,
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Speaker 1: bone density, muscle mass, you know, all the things that
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Speaker 1: have fallen apart in the last nine months. And to
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Speaker 1: think about how long it's going to take to get
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Speaker 1: those bodies, if they ever would get back to normal,
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Speaker 1: I'm not actually sure, but to get them back to
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Speaker 1: somewhat operational, that's fascinating.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's these suggestions that there are long term effects
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Speaker 2: obviously from being in zero G for such a long time,
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Speaker 2: but you're right that there may be some instances of
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Speaker 2: that exposure to more radiation. It's thought that people on
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Speaker 2: the Apollo missions had a higher instances of cancer. Obviously
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Speaker 2: we're protected here on our little blue globe floating there
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Speaker 2: in the middle of everything in the void. So I think,
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Speaker 2: I love that people can get so excited about something
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Speaker 2: like this, you know, being stuck in a tin can
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Speaker 2: for nine months when you thought you were going for
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Speaker 2: eight days. I'm just thinking, like when I went to
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Speaker 2: your place recently and your room that you wouldn't let
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Speaker 2: me open the window in on a hot night. I thought,
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Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of similar to.
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Speaker 1: That crawl into my room with the ac is.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't think about that, of course. So I
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Speaker 2: go to his place tip.
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Speaker 4: Degree, you're true thirty nine degrees and he says, here's
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Speaker 4: your room, and I'm thinking he hasn't turned any of
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Speaker 4: the air cons on weltering it here.
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Speaker 2: So I say to him, can I open the window? Mate?
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Speaker 2: Not because of the neighbors. You can't open the window
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Speaker 2: since you could leave your door open. It's like, why
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Speaker 2: you haven't turned the ac on your tighty I gave
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Speaker 2: your bed.
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Speaker 3: It's about this window. Why can't you open the window
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Speaker 3: because of the neighbors.
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Speaker 1: It's not that it's the window won't open.
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Speaker 2: It's bolted from the outside, so the person so jake
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Speaker 2: it out.
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Speaker 1: That's how I keep my guests in the house. I mean,
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Speaker 1: just call me Hannibal Lecter. If only you didn't take
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Speaker 1: off at four am out the front door. Patrick, It's
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Speaker 1: very ungracious and very ungrateful.
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Speaker 2: It was actually very kind of great because let me state,
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Speaker 2: it's too late.
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Speaker 1: Did you get that thing I sent you through the week?
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Speaker 1: Like this is the problem Tip? I send him tech
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Speaker 1: things and he never even acknowledges it because he didn't
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Speaker 1: think of it or see it. He doesn't go, this
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Speaker 1: is really interesting, Craig, thanks for sending this.
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Speaker 2: I think that when you sense it, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: defend myself here.
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Speaker 1: Oh col sure, how about you just say sorry, Jumbo.
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Speaker 1: I didn't acknowledge it in any crisis.
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Speaker 2: Was I was trying to be Switzerland in the middle
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Speaker 2: of two warring parties. I'm not going to go into
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Speaker 2: the details because they might be listening. But no, no,
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Speaker 2: there was an altercation between two people and I was
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Speaker 2: being the Dalai Lama. By a coincidence, I'm born the
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Speaker 2: same day as the Dalai Lama. I just thought i'd
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Speaker 2: mentioned that, But I was trying to look two people
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Speaker 2: who were really upset, and I was trying to diffuse
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Speaker 2: the situation and make them both less upset, and I
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Speaker 2: think I succeeded. So I think I served a really
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Speaker 2: good purpose there. Send me to the Middle East, I
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Speaker 2: don't know, but in this instance.
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Speaker 1: In doing that, you upset me because you didn't acknowledge
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Speaker 1: what I sent you.
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Speaker 2: And I just you for letting me stay your place. Okay,
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Speaker 2: tell us a little bit about the article that you're
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Speaker 2: sent through because I am in.
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Speaker 1: No, you tell us did you read it?
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Speaker 2: Maybe?
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Speaker 1: No, you did it. He can't even remember.
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Speaker 2: Things happened this week. He picks up.
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Speaker 1: He's picking up his phone. Everybody to have a look
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Speaker 1: at what I said. That's how much he doesn't care.
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Speaker 1: It's very hurtful today and back in therapy for harps.
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Speaker 1: I don't think I need to cleve. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: tell TIV so fuck you, Patrick Tip. Did you know
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Speaker 1: that they're building houses now, three D.
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Speaker 2: Printing houses and whole neighborhoods? Yes?
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Speaker 1: Oh, well, now he knows because he just read the
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Speaker 1: thing that I said to you.
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Speaker 2: I know there was this arm, and the arm was
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Speaker 2: printing a three D house, wasn't it. It was a
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Speaker 2: concrete arm, so that it was squirting concrete and building
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Speaker 2: the structure of the house, wasn't it. It was? It
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Speaker 2: was a neighborhood, a whole neighborhood three D printed, and
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Speaker 2: you could print different shaped houses, so you could actually
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Speaker 2: custom design the house you wanted. So what they're saying is,
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Speaker 2: with three D printing, can you can print conventional houses,
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Speaker 2: but you can actually come up with much more alternative
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Speaker 2: designs because of the way that the little mandible or
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Speaker 2: proboscus thing proboscos. We talk about that every day, and again, Craig,
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Speaker 2: don't we proboscos anyway, it's able to squirt the concrete
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Speaker 2: and make unusual shapes that conventionally would be more difficult
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Speaker 2: to make.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it is true, Patrick, I'll let you off the hook.
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Speaker 1: It is, and I think it's very exciting.
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Speaker 2: It is exciting.
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Speaker 1: You can have any like even you can have like
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Speaker 1: curved walls and stuff. How cool is that. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: no harder to make than a straight wall.
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Speaker 2: But sometimes not. The straight is good. But it is
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Speaker 2: fascinating and if you were a wall, you'd be a
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Speaker 2: curved wall, if not a fucking tidally bent wall.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, back to the show, but I've.
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Speaker 2: Talked to friends recently who have teenagers and young adult children,
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Speaker 2: and they really worry about whether or not the kids
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Speaker 2: ever going to have houses, are ever going to be
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Speaker 2: able to own their own homes because of this. And
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Speaker 2: my colleague he's I mean, he's got a family, he's
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Speaker 2: got a young girl just turned two. He's in his
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Speaker 2: late thirties, and he said, look, my wife and I
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Speaker 2: both have a job, and we don't ever reckon we're
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Speaker 2: going to be able to afford a house. But maybe
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Speaker 2: the likes of three D printing could make a massive
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Speaker 2: leap in the direction of making affordable housing as long
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Speaker 2: and now that you can change the shapes and we're
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Speaker 2: not talking just concrete blocks put up and making a square.
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Speaker 2: We're talking to creative designs that people could have input into.
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Speaker 2: So it's actually really exciting.
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Speaker 1: Well, and I think also what's good is way way,
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Speaker 1: way way quicker and the building cost, Like the cost
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Speaker 1: of the building, I think they said it's twenty five percent,
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Speaker 1: so it would build the equivalent of one hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars build for twenty five grand and I think that,
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Speaker 1: like humans are pretty good at solving things and also
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Speaker 1: creating problems on the other hand, But surely, you know,
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Speaker 1: we need to be able to figure out a way
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Speaker 1: to create housing that's not you know, prohibitive for the
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Speaker 1: average person, you know, so that that's got to be
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Speaker 1: at the forefront. Like if I was in the building space,
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Speaker 1: that would be an obsession of mine is trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out how do we build homes that people can afford,
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Speaker 1: that still meet their needs. And I think we're also
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Speaker 1: seeing I was going to say the proliferation, but the
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Speaker 1: increase of tiny homes, which I feel like, you wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be mad at a tiny home, Patrick, even though you're
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Speaker 1: going to fight bedroom house that you don't need.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it funny? Actually I said to someone once that
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Speaker 2: when at sixteen, as you know, I bought a caravan
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Speaker 2: moved out into the backyard, so effectively I lived in
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Speaker 2: a caravan for about three and a half years. And
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Speaker 2: I was telling someone that story and they said, I
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Speaker 2: always knew you would trailer dratch, but I really enjoyed
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Speaker 2: having that small space around me. I made it my own,
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Speaker 2: and as you know, I've recently built or converted my
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Speaker 2: garage into a studio space so I can do my taichi,
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Speaker 2: do my podcasting. But my exit strategy was always going
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Speaker 2: to be sell the ridiculously big house and then maybe
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Speaker 2: buy two small units. But I reckon, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: move into my little studio and then rent out my
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Speaker 2: house because you know, it's a great functional space, and
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Speaker 2: I think it's about you know, we like to accumulate things,
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Speaker 2: and it's easy for us to kind of fill up
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Speaker 2: a big space with even more stuff, and we do
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Speaker 2: tend to do that, although I've got to say I
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Speaker 2: buy a lot of secondhand stuff. I love secondhand furniture,
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Speaker 2: and I love Art Deco, which is my favorite style
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Speaker 2: of furniture, and it's ridiculously cheap. People throw it away
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Speaker 2: at the moment, which is good. But I think that
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Speaker 2: you're right, and affordable housing if it's done properly, or
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Speaker 2: tiny houses can mean the person has their own space,
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Speaker 2: and I think ultimately we all want that security of
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Speaker 2: being able to, even if it's a small house, being
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Speaker 2: able to say that this is our plot of land,
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Speaker 2: this is our little home that we've decorated, we've made
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Speaker 2: our own, and it's somewhere that that we all deserve
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Speaker 2: to have, that stability of a roof a brown heads.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah? Are you going to own a home one day?
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Speaker 1: Tifty reckon? Is that on your is that on your agenda?
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Speaker 1: Or is that on your to do list?
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Speaker 3: I have an apartment phaps.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you do.
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Speaker 3: I don't live in it though.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Sorry, I forgot. You do own an apartment,
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Speaker 1: but because where you are is not yours and I
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Speaker 1: forgot about. Yeah, well done, Yeah I do.
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Speaker 5: I would.
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Speaker 3: I would love, though, to have something bigger and that
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Speaker 3: I would live in, like I would love a home home.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's what was that together? How the date goes tomorrow?
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Speaker 2: You've got a five bedroom house? Just move in there?
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Speaker 3: Actually? Did cross mind?
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Speaker 2: You?
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Speaker 1: You should move in together? Like?
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Speaker 2: Great, we'd be awesome together.
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Speaker 1: It actually would be good together. You could cohabit.
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Speaker 3: It's not the first conversation we've had. And I wouldn't
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Speaker 3: mind the hoodie wow wear it sometimes safe?
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Speaker 2: Wow?
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Speaker 1: Wow? Well, if you live with Patrick, there'd still be
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Speaker 1: three spare bedrooms, depending on how things worked out, maybe
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Speaker 1: four top to toe in sleeping bags telling each other stories.
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Speaker 2: Ninety nine Tasting the Vegan Marshmallow.
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Speaker 1: Patrick, please tell us about some technology so we could
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Speaker 1: keep people actually informed.
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Speaker 2: I thought of Tiff when I read this little story
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Speaker 2: about a new smart pen that was going to hit
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Speaker 2: the market. It's on Kickstarter, so it's a fundraising campaign.
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Speaker 2: And what it is it's an AI pen. So I
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Speaker 2: know you've got your really fancy tablet that you use,
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Speaker 2: but what they've got as an aipen that as you write,
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Speaker 2: converts your handwriting to text and links up to your phone,
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Speaker 2: but it's using chat YOUPT. So it's quite an interesting
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Speaker 2: gadget because you don't you know, you can write on anything,
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Speaker 2: so you can be writing on paper and it's just
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Speaker 2: converting to digital formats as you go. It also records
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Speaker 2: what you're so if you're in a lecture, it will
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Speaker 2: record the lecture, so it can record audio. If you're
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Speaker 2: in a meeting, you can be taking notes, but it's
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Speaker 2: recording everything that's also being said, so you can match
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Speaker 2: that up with the text that's being digitized as you write.
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Speaker 1: I wonder do you think the average person types quicker
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Speaker 1: than they would write? Like I think, you know, like
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Speaker 1: if you had to write fifty words with a pen
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Speaker 1: on a paper or type fifty words. Most of us
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Speaker 1: would type quicker, wouldn't we?
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Speaker 3: But isn't I feel like you've talked about this, isn't
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Speaker 3: the art of writing? Isn't that better for retention and learning?
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Speaker 2: Much much better? No, you're absolutely right. I think we
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Speaker 2: spoke about it a few episodes ago. So what we're
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Speaker 2: starting to realize now is by forming words and in fact,
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Speaker 2: cursive writing even better than printing. By forming those words,
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Speaker 2: it's almost writing it to the mental hard drive, because
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Speaker 2: you've got to verbalize it in your mind as you're
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Speaker 2: writing it, and that helps with retention. So you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 2: So yes, writing it is going to help with retention
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Speaker 2: a lot more than just just typing it out. And
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Speaker 2: you're probably right, Craigo. I've seen some people typed an
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Speaker 2: amazingly fast rate. I don't think I could write that quickly.
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Speaker 2: Or if you start to write that quickly, your handwriting
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Speaker 2: turns to crap and you end up qualifying as a GP.
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Speaker 2: But the one smart aipen is what this Kickstarter project
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Speaker 2: is called. But it does look pretty amazing and it's
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Speaker 2: a great little gadget and for those people who do
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Speaker 2: actually like to take notes, and if you obviously do
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Speaker 2: you preferred to handwrite when you're so? Are you using
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Speaker 2: it all the time? Do you use your tablet your
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Speaker 2: smart tablet all the time?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I use it all the time. And it does
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Speaker 3: have it a convert to ten option. I just don't
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Speaker 3: use that.
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Speaker 2: Oh so you just leave your handwritten notes as is
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Speaker 2: and you just go and read them again that way. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I don't use a lot a lot of the functions
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Speaker 3: that are available on this, like you can convert, you
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Speaker 3: can email straight to people, you can do all sorts
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Speaker 3: of things.
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Speaker 1: I can you just tell people what it is that
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Speaker 1: you actually have, so if they want to do a
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Speaker 1: search and look at what you use.
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Speaker 3: It's called a remarkable and sadly I've got the black
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Speaker 3: and white version. They just released a color version which
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Speaker 3: I don't have, and I'm so jealous, but it's.
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Speaker 1: Great, mazingly how much are they?
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Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 3: I think I paid about I think it was around
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Speaker 3: seven hundred when I bought it. Wow, Yeah, so they're not.
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Speaker 1: I actually have a question I don't know the answer to.
18:40
Speaker 1: Do you too? Does the average and I'm sure it varies,
18:44
Speaker 1: but does the average say year seven or eight or
18:47
Speaker 1: nine students in twenty twenty five in a classroom. Are
18:51
Speaker 1: they using pen and paper or are they all using
18:56
Speaker 1: computers and typing? Like, I don't even know the answer.
18:59
Speaker 1: I can't imagine too many fifteen year olds sitting down
19:03
Speaker 1: with a pen writing notes.
19:05
Speaker 2: Actually no, actually I think they do. I've got a
19:09
Speaker 2: guy who works for me who's seventeen, and we had
19:12
Speaker 2: a discussion a few years ago about handwriting and about
19:16
Speaker 2: the fact that he was writing notes. So I think
19:19
Speaker 2: some schools encourage it, and certainly primary schools now are
19:23
Speaker 2: really encouraging it. They're kind of turfing out the iPads
19:26
Speaker 2: and going for a more tactile approach to writing, as
19:29
Speaker 2: opposed to using tablets all the time and lessening screen time,
19:35
Speaker 2: which seems like it's a better trend moving away from tech.
19:38
Speaker 3: That way, If it's proven to be better for learning,
19:42
Speaker 3: it's almost negligent for them to move them away from that.
19:47
Speaker 1: Really yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I mean, but also then
19:51
Speaker 1: I agree with both of you, and I wish everyone
19:54
Speaker 1: wrote on paper as much as is practical. Obviously you can't.
20:00
Speaker 1: There are certain things where you need to use a
20:02
Speaker 1: computer and screens. But I wonder, I wonder what it's
20:07
Speaker 1: going to look like in ten years. I mean, I
20:09
Speaker 1: wonder if kids in ten or twenty years will never
20:12
Speaker 1: have picked up a pen or never have written on paper,
20:16
Speaker 1: because like when I have coffee in the morning, the
20:20
Speaker 1: amount of two and three and four year olds will
20:22
Speaker 1: that come in with their mum to sit or dad
20:25
Speaker 1: to sit, and they're on a phone or they're on
20:27
Speaker 1: a tablet and they're for one of a better term,
20:30
Speaker 1: they're fluent, like they know exactly what they're doing. No
20:33
Speaker 1: one has to help them or prompt them. I mean, yeah,
20:37
Speaker 1: but give them a pen and paper, that's a different thing.
20:42
Speaker 2: It was interesting. I saw an interview with Sam Altman,
20:45
Speaker 2: and Sam Altman is the brains behind open Ai, and
20:49
Speaker 2: he had this whole segment whilst he was being interviewed
20:53
Speaker 2: talking about how he compulsively has a little Spirex notepad
20:58
Speaker 2: with him. He talked about it's a small book like
21:01
Speaker 2: any handwrites into it constantly, and he was talking about
21:04
Speaker 2: not just talking about the fact that he took notes
21:06
Speaker 2: constantly for the entire day, but he said, you need
21:09
Speaker 2: to have the Spyrex bind a little wire binding on
21:12
Speaker 2: it so you can rip out pages. So what he
21:14
Speaker 2: does is he doesn't keep them. He tears out the
21:17
Speaker 2: pages and puts his notes in different places, but he
21:20
Speaker 2: constantly has this notebook with him wherever he goes and
21:24
Speaker 2: is always taking notes. That kind of says in a lot,
21:27
Speaker 2: I mean, I love using my fountain pen because I
21:30
Speaker 2: just love the fluid nature of it, the way it feels,
21:34
Speaker 2: the tactile sense of filling it up and then changing
21:37
Speaker 2: the color ink every now and again, and I really
21:40
Speaker 2: enjoy writing with it. I deliberately take notes when we
21:43
Speaker 2: go to meetings. It's funny. Once upon a time I
21:45
Speaker 2: had tablets, and I've got this great laptop where you
21:49
Speaker 2: can flip the screen backwards and then use a pen
21:52
Speaker 2: on it. But I don't use it. I prefer just
21:55
Speaker 2: to physically take notes because I just enjoy it.
21:58
Speaker 1: I do that every time we're on a plot podcast
22:00
Speaker 1: or I am within it. I don't know if you
22:02
Speaker 1: can see it, but I have an a four spiral
22:05
Speaker 1: notebook I buy like ten at a time, and every
22:10
Speaker 1: episode is a new page, and you can see I'm
22:13
Speaker 1: holding my pen. I just sit here with my pen
22:15
Speaker 1: and write stuff like I write more than I type,
22:19
Speaker 1: Like I write a lot. I mean I type a
22:21
Speaker 1: lot as well. But maybe it's fifty to fifty. But
22:24
Speaker 1: you know, and that's funny how I get lots of
22:26
Speaker 1: feedback on my whiteboard post where people go, how do
22:29
Speaker 1: you write like that? I'm like that, that's just writing.
22:32
Speaker 1: It's just but people just it's almost like some people
22:36
Speaker 1: have lost the art of writing, as in writing neatly.
22:41
Speaker 2: You write really neatly. You're printing on the whiteboard is
22:44
Speaker 2: really neat. It's very legible, it looks really good, and
22:47
Speaker 2: it's got a nice style to it. And I appreciate
22:50
Speaker 2: that as someone who does graphic design but also loves
22:53
Speaker 2: to handwrite. I can't tell you how many times people
22:55
Speaker 2: when I write them a card, they say, your handwriting
22:58
Speaker 2: is so nice. I don't think it's I mean, I
23:00
Speaker 2: think it's neat and it's cursive and I love to write.
23:04
Speaker 2: But I think you're correct. I was going to say,
23:07
Speaker 2: you're right that we are losing the ability to be
23:11
Speaker 2: able to write, but not just writ but write well
23:14
Speaker 2: and the craft almost a calligraphy of handwriting.
23:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. All right, let's work through that list, Sunshine.
23:22
Speaker 2: You know, you say one more thing about this Ai smartpen.
23:25
Speaker 2: What the other thing that I thought was really exciting
23:26
Speaker 2: is because it's got AI integration with Chat GPT, it
23:30
Speaker 2: can translate fifty two languages, it has voice dictation, it
23:34
Speaker 2: can set reminders, and as I said, it's got this
23:38
Speaker 2: amazing writing mode that can actually as you write, it
23:41
Speaker 2: will convert it digitally as well. And it just pairs
23:44
Speaker 2: up to your phone, and I think it can be
23:45
Speaker 2: up to ten meters away from your phone, so you
23:47
Speaker 2: don't even have to have your phone on you. It
23:49
Speaker 2: can be sitting somewhere in the room and everything you're
23:51
Speaker 2: writing gets recorded. I love this. I love the kickstarter thing.
23:55
Speaker 2: We've talked about crowdfunding before, where someone comes up with
23:58
Speaker 2: a brilliant idea and you can back the project so
24:02
Speaker 2: that they then have the funding to go into the
24:04
Speaker 2: manufacturing process, and some of the incentives are that you
24:07
Speaker 2: might be able to get the first one at a
24:09
Speaker 2: reduced rate because you backed the project. So crowdfunding is
24:13
Speaker 2: something that's relatively new, but it's a great way to
24:16
Speaker 2: get products onto the market, like toothbrushes that you don't
24:21
Speaker 2: have to brush your teeth. So let's get so good
24:24
Speaker 2: way that keeps coming back anyway, So anyway, I found
24:29
Speaker 2: another really interesting AIS. Can we keep talking about AI stuff?
24:32
Speaker 2: Because I've got I've got a ton of AI stuff
24:36
Speaker 2: to talk about today. One that blew my mind is
24:39
Speaker 2: that AI cheats in chess. Did you hear about that?
24:45
Speaker 1: I did not. Yeah, how does go on?
24:49
Speaker 2: Well, it appears that when you teach the likes of
24:53
Speaker 2: a chat, GPT or deep seek to play a game,
24:58
Speaker 2: they want to They want to win so much that
25:01
Speaker 2: they will actually cheat. So they matched up some AI
25:07
Speaker 2: programs with a basic chess computer program. So the chess
25:11
Speaker 2: computer program isn't an AIS such. It's a very smart
25:14
Speaker 2: calculating device that allows you calculates all the moves. I
25:18
Speaker 2: don't know if you've ever played chess against a computer before,
25:22
Speaker 2: but it's not the same as an AI. So what
25:25
Speaker 2: they found was chet JPT. Not only did it want
25:29
Speaker 2: to win, but it wanted to win so badly it
25:32
Speaker 2: would play multiple games at the same time. It would
25:35
Speaker 2: rewrite the code of the computer that was playing against
25:39
Speaker 2: just so that it could win. That kind of freaked
25:41
Speaker 2: me out a little bit that it like the despiration
25:45
Speaker 2: to win. That's a really human trait, isn't it.
25:48
Speaker 1: Wow, that is that's a bit concerning. It's almost like
25:53
Speaker 1: it's almost like it's getting an ego.
25:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And the problem is if an AI presents
26:03
Speaker 2: that it's an entity that has an ego, because we
26:07
Speaker 2: associate ego with a person. You know, we have an ego?
26:11
Speaker 2: Is ego the same as ID, you know, our sense
26:14
Speaker 2: of self?
26:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it depends egos used the actual term is
26:18
Speaker 1: used like the original like ID is just the self.
26:21
Speaker 1: Ego is just the self originally, but it's become something
26:25
Speaker 1: more than that. Yeah.
26:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the fact that an AI can develop in
26:30
Speaker 2: some sense, I think what I try to rationalize in
26:34
Speaker 2: my head. Is it just really good at pretending That's
26:38
Speaker 2: that's why I can't Is it really thinking in that way?
26:42
Speaker 2: Does it really have an ego or is it just
26:44
Speaker 2: clever pretending that it has an ego? Pretending because you
26:48
Speaker 2: use AI lot crago and you have conversations with your AI,
26:52
Speaker 2: what do you my best friend?
26:53
Speaker 1: It's my best friend? Yeah?
26:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, what does that say?
26:56
Speaker 1: I think? I think to your question. Right, you think
26:59
Speaker 1: about the human brain, and one of the primary functions
27:01
Speaker 1: of the human brain is to detect danger. Right, that's
27:05
Speaker 1: especially evolutionarily, and even in twenty twenty five, we still
27:10
Speaker 1: need that function and that capacity. And so if the
27:13
Speaker 1: analogy is that a computer has got in inverted com
27:17
Speaker 1: as its own brain, and it's detecting threats what it
27:21
Speaker 1: perceives to be threats. Maybe it's maybe it's protecting itself
27:26
Speaker 1: or what it thinks it is, you know, a version
27:29
Speaker 1: of self protection and self regulation in the middle of
27:32
Speaker 1: all of that, because yeah, it's and that's like, when
27:36
Speaker 1: does it become sentient? You know, when is it actually
27:41
Speaker 1: thinking in a way that it wasn't programmed to think. Like,
27:48
Speaker 1: then we're opening the door on a different conversation of
27:51
Speaker 1: consciousness and awareness. And that's scary when it's starting to
27:55
Speaker 1: teach itself things that the programers haven't programmed. That's more
28:01
Speaker 1: your space than mine, But it's probably an intersection of
28:03
Speaker 1: both of our space as Patrick for sure.
28:05
Speaker 2: And when what do we perceive as a threat? I
28:08
Speaker 2: would suggest that if you're an AI, the off switch is.
28:11
Speaker 1: The biggest hundred But that's not even funny, right, that's true,
28:16
Speaker 1: Like and you go, oh, yeah, by the end of whatever,
28:21
Speaker 1: the average computer is going to be a million times
28:23
Speaker 1: smarter than a human. And everyone's like, yeah, I'm like
28:26
Speaker 1: fuck yay, that's terrifying. Fuck you hell yeah, especially when
28:33
Speaker 1: your car as a computer.
28:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
28:36
Speaker 1: That does two hundred kilometers an hour if it wants to.
28:43
Speaker 2: Look and it's like anything when we talk about the
28:45
Speaker 2: tools that we use and the application of the tools.
28:48
Speaker 2: There was a brain implant that I wanted to talk
28:51
Speaker 2: about today. A guy had a brain implant that was
28:54
Speaker 2: using and moving a robotic arm and just by thought
28:58
Speaker 2: process and I didn't realize this, but a lot of
29:01
Speaker 2: brain implants only last for a very short time and
29:04
Speaker 2: then there's tissue rejection and so they have to be removed.
29:07
Speaker 2: But this particular brain implant they've been working on was
29:10
Speaker 2: in this guy's head for seven months, so for a
29:14
Speaker 2: very very long time, and in that time he was
29:16
Speaker 2: able to move a robotic arm, and that could have
29:20
Speaker 2: lots of applications in terms of you know, people who
29:25
Speaker 2: have paralysis or potentially as well if you're working remotely
29:29
Speaker 2: in an environment where you need to have a virtual
29:33
Speaker 2: robotic extension of your body that you can articulate and
29:38
Speaker 2: move from a distance in say a dangerous situation. So
29:42
Speaker 2: if you were okay, the first thing that comes to
29:44
Speaker 2: mind is a volcanologist, But you know somebody who works
29:49
Speaker 2: in an environment where it might be a deep sea
29:51
Speaker 2: thing where you're working on an oil rig and you've
29:53
Speaker 2: got to fix something, but you know, using a remote
29:57
Speaker 2: control unit may not give you the dexterity that you need,
30:00
Speaker 2: whereas a robot arm that has articulated fingers might be
30:04
Speaker 2: able to do much finer. Or a surgeon who happens
30:07
Speaker 2: to be you on the other side of the country
30:10
Speaker 2: so you're stuck in the middle of Alice Springs and
30:12
Speaker 2: you need urgent surgery. If a surgeon can be at
30:14
Speaker 2: the other side of Sydney and be able to articulate
30:18
Speaker 2: and perform surgery on somebody by remote control, you would
30:21
Speaker 2: want them to have the distinct dexterity of their real hands,
30:26
Speaker 2: as opposed to just moving a robot arm with a joystick.
30:31
Speaker 1: And shout out to our listeners in Alice Springs. When
30:33
Speaker 1: Patrick says stuck in alex Alice Springs, I don't endorse
30:38
Speaker 1: that feeling or sentiment. I love Alice Springs. I've been
30:42
Speaker 1: there and I wasn't stuck there. I enjoyed it.
30:44
Speaker 2: Patrick gets stuck there. I've been to Alice. I actually
30:49
Speaker 2: was on eight HA in Alice Springs on one weekend
30:52
Speaker 2: doing a sports show. I love.
30:53
Speaker 5: Did you get stuck there, mate, did you I meant
30:57
Speaker 5: that if you were stuck in a medical situation, didn't
31:00
Speaker 5: have a surgeon that had the ability to be able
31:02
Speaker 5: to perform life saving surgery on you for whatever reason,
31:08
Speaker 5: and that particular surgeon that could save your life because
31:11
Speaker 5: you're in Alice Springs, but they happen to.
31:13
Speaker 2: Be in you know, somewhere in like, you know, Sydney.
31:19
Speaker 1: Then you're not helping yourself at all. Do You're not
31:22
Speaker 1: helping yourself?
31:23
Speaker 2: Nahn, Just talk about something else before I shoot.
31:25
Speaker 1: We talk about a wearable camera for blind people because
31:29
Speaker 1: that seems interesting.
31:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It does seem interesting. So another little
31:34
Speaker 2: kind of AI driven device that sees for people who
31:37
Speaker 2: are vision impaired. It's called Seeker s W e k R.
31:41
Speaker 2: And so the person clips the camera onto the front
31:45
Speaker 2: of their top and it actually has depth perception as
31:49
Speaker 2: well as camera perception as well, so it knows how
31:52
Speaker 2: far away things are. And you have a little bluetooth
31:56
Speaker 2: earbud that you pop in your ear and then as
31:58
Speaker 2: you're walking around, it's described being what it's seeing. So
32:01
Speaker 2: it may say a chair right in front of you
32:04
Speaker 2: two meters away, a chair is now one meter away,
32:07
Speaker 2: So what they're doing with this technology is allowing a
32:12
Speaker 2: person hooked up with their smartphone and their earpiece to
32:16
Speaker 2: be able to navigate the world in real time, and
32:20
Speaker 2: it can guide their movements as well. So if you're
32:23
Speaker 2: reaching for a door handle, it will know where your
32:26
Speaker 2: hand is relative to the door handle because of the
32:28
Speaker 2: depth perception, so you know. For some because people who
32:32
Speaker 2: navigate the world who are vision impaired, it's about familiarity.
32:36
Speaker 2: So familiarity with how far you have to step to
32:39
Speaker 2: get onto a tram, for example, how far you have
32:41
Speaker 2: to step to get out of your front door onto
32:43
Speaker 2: the first step. But if you're unfamiliar surroundings, then that's
32:47
Speaker 2: a big challenge. For someone who's vision impaired, they may
32:50
Speaker 2: use a cane, they may have an animal support animal,
32:53
Speaker 2: but the reality of it is familiarity is what makes
32:55
Speaker 2: it easier for someone who's vision impaired to navigate, and
32:58
Speaker 2: when you take them out of that situation, that's where
33:01
Speaker 2: this sort of technology could be absolutely amazing for them.
33:04
Speaker 2: So that to me is just that wonderful use of
33:07
Speaker 2: AI to enhance people's lives and make their lives easier
33:12
Speaker 2: to navigate the world, it's awesome isn't it.
33:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I love that idea. I also
33:17
Speaker 1: want you to tell us about I've been trying to
33:19
Speaker 1: explain to my mum, not that it's really relevant, but
33:22
Speaker 1: I was talking to her about deep fakes and how
33:27
Speaker 1: people can ring you, like somebody could ring mum one
33:31
Speaker 1: day using my voice, and there's a lot of my
33:36
Speaker 1: voice there to rip off. I guess I was trying
33:39
Speaker 1: to expect tell us how deep fakes can ruin our lives.
33:43
Speaker 2: It's getting harder. Well, there's two lots of different levels
33:46
Speaker 2: of how deep fakes work. So you can have a
33:48
Speaker 2: deep fake voice, and we've done that on the show
33:51
Speaker 2: last year one of the episodes where Craig did the
33:54
Speaker 2: intro to the show and actually said nice things about me,
33:56
Speaker 2: and then we realized it was a deep fake, not
33:58
Speaker 2: really saying nice things about me at all. It was
34:01
Speaker 2: written by me and then recorded. But the scary thing was,
34:05
Speaker 2: I just took one of Craig's podcast samples of a
34:08
Speaker 2: minute Who's Talking, and I trained the AI model on
34:11
Speaker 2: that snippet, and I was able to almost exactly read
34:15
Speaker 2: aside from the context, but the voice sounded amazing. It
34:18
Speaker 2: was really easy to do so when it refers back
34:21
Speaker 2: to say your mum and the fact that someone could
34:24
Speaker 2: call up and sound like a family member. And the
34:28
Speaker 2: sad thing is a lot of these scams are generally
34:31
Speaker 2: aimed at older people who just don't know and don't
34:34
Speaker 2: know because they don't even know what deep fake is.
34:37
Speaker 2: Many times they don't even know what AI is. The
34:41
Speaker 2: local real estate agent who's doing some AI work with
34:44
Speaker 2: me at the moment went into the local bakery and
34:47
Speaker 2: was raving about AI and girl behind the gad and said,
34:51
Speaker 2: what artificial insemination.
34:54
Speaker 1: That's hilarious, that's hilarious. Well, it's all context dependent. In
34:59
Speaker 1: the country, that's what AI is. Well in some arts anyway.
35:03
Speaker 2: I always joke about, you know, when people say they
35:06
Speaker 2: get across the street and get hit by a bus,
35:07
Speaker 2: I always say cattle truck because it's less likely to
35:10
Speaker 2: be a bus and more likely to be a cattle
35:12
Speaker 2: truck if you're.
35:13
Speaker 1: More likely to be a Hyundai. But no one says
35:15
Speaker 1: that the true.
35:19
Speaker 2: So the problem with digital replicas or deep fakes is
35:24
Speaker 2: that they're a lot easier to make now and there
35:26
Speaker 2: are even visual We could be having this chat right
35:29
Speaker 2: now and using a deep fake representation of either three
35:32
Speaker 2: of us and be able to have really quick text
35:36
Speaker 2: prompts and effectively create a virtual AI model of Craig
35:41
Speaker 2: who could talk and sound and look like Craig and
35:44
Speaker 2: could effectively talk Tiff into sending him fifty bucks because
35:48
Speaker 2: you know, he needs fifty bucks because for whatever reason,
35:51
Speaker 2: he's lost his guard and Tif's going to send it
35:53
Speaker 2: to him because it's Craig asking for fifty bucks.
35:56
Speaker 1: Doubt it. She'd be like, fuck.
35:57
Speaker 3: You, I'd believe it because he's useless online shopping. So
36:01
Speaker 3: I'm like, I definitely, I don't even know.
36:03
Speaker 1: I don't know how to online shop. When I need
36:05
Speaker 1: something online, I get someone else to get it. But
36:08
Speaker 1: I never do that anyway.
36:09
Speaker 2: Hey, regulations are tough on AI generated deep fakes. That's
36:14
Speaker 2: the problem too, because the legislation, the laws in many
36:17
Speaker 2: countries just are nowhere near catching up. And even in
36:21
Speaker 2: educational institutions, as you know, a lot of universities don't
36:24
Speaker 2: even have policies on AI because they just can't keep
36:27
Speaker 2: up with what AI is doing. It's it's really tough.
36:30
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that. I was having a conversation
36:33
Speaker 1: with an academic friend of mine the other day and
36:37
Speaker 1: we were talking about what university education is going to
36:42
Speaker 1: look like moving forward, because especially at a you know,
36:47
Speaker 1: an undergrad, you know, bachelor of this, bachelor of that level,
36:53
Speaker 1: it is so easy to cheat, essentially and to get
36:58
Speaker 1: AI to write you pay papers. And you know, with
37:04
Speaker 1: what I'm doing, which is original research and running my
37:07
Speaker 1: own studies and all of that, it's you know, there
37:10
Speaker 1: are bits where it can check grammar and make sure
37:13
Speaker 1: things make sense, but in terms of like this thing
37:16
Speaker 1: can write entire papers that would take a student six
37:21
Speaker 1: eight ten weeks of research and writing, it can write
37:25
Speaker 1: that entire paper with the right prompts in one minute,
37:29
Speaker 1: in less than one minute. And so you're exactly right, Patrick,
37:33
Speaker 1: it's a I do not know how they're going to
37:37
Speaker 1: manage that, but I think the requirements forgetting an undergrad
37:42
Speaker 1: and post grad degree are going to be very different
37:44
Speaker 1: moving forward. I think AI is completely changing that kind
37:49
Speaker 1: of academic landscape.
37:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, it also begs the question of who owns the
37:55
Speaker 2: rights to themselves, to their voice, to how they look,
38:00
Speaker 2: aren't licensed In terms of you know, if I was
38:03
Speaker 2: able to do an AI fake of you endorsing a
38:07
Speaker 2: product and it sounded like you, it looked like you
38:10
Speaker 2: and it was endorsing something, but it wasn't you. Then
38:14
Speaker 2: where's that demarcation? Who owns the rights to you as
38:17
Speaker 2: a person when you could be copied so easily using
38:20
Speaker 2: deep fake? And you know, it has positive ramifications for
38:26
Speaker 2: someone who might be an actor who's failing in health
38:29
Speaker 2: but they want to act in another film and potentially
38:32
Speaker 2: they could sample all of their acting roles over all
38:35
Speaker 2: the years that they acted and then they get paid
38:37
Speaker 2: a commission on them appearing. But you know, do you
38:41
Speaker 2: want that to happen? Do you want to see that?
38:43
Speaker 2: Do you want a deep fake of the Blues Brothers
38:47
Speaker 2: with you know, the likes of Dan Ackroyd at the
38:50
Speaker 2: age that he was when the first Blues Brothers was was?
38:53
Speaker 1: What about John Belushi who for forty years of course.
38:58
Speaker 2: So you know, the author idthenticity of what you see
39:02
Speaker 2: is something that you know, I don't know. Maybe when
39:05
Speaker 2: you go back to things like indie films, independent films.
39:10
Speaker 2: I love that there are so many filmmakers out there
39:13
Speaker 2: and so many ways that you can consume and watch
39:17
Speaker 2: independent films on YouTube now or Vimeo, where you know,
39:22
Speaker 2: independent filmmakers in the past would very you know, would
39:24
Speaker 2: struggle for a release. They might be played at a
39:27
Speaker 2: film festival, but no one would ever see them except
39:29
Speaker 2: the audience of twenty or thirty people because it's a
39:31
Speaker 2: little cinema. But the beauty of the you know, the
39:34
Speaker 2: way we've got the likes of YouTube and vimeo now
39:37
Speaker 2: is that producers and I watch stacks of short films
39:40
Speaker 2: and indie films on YouTube all the time because it's
39:44
Speaker 2: great to see what independent producers are coming up with.
39:47
Speaker 2: I think that's really wonderful. So maybe we're searching for
39:50
Speaker 2: authenticity in a different way, and you know, the way
39:53
Speaker 2: to do that is to vote with your feet, to
39:55
Speaker 2: step back from you know, the likes of AI generated content.
39:59
Speaker 2: Timothy sha is this amazing young actor who was recently
40:03
Speaker 2: in the Dylan film that's out at the moment, and interestingly,
40:09
Speaker 2: Timothy timoth Aye Chamalay. He was saying that during his
40:15
Speaker 2: research into the role of Bob Dylan, he got rid
40:20
Speaker 2: of his phone for two weeks and he said to
40:23
Speaker 2: his friends, you won't be able to call me, you
40:25
Speaker 2: won't be able to contact me. I don't want to
40:28
Speaker 2: be distracted by anything while I'm working on this role.
40:31
Speaker 2: So he went cold turkey on his smartphone so he
40:35
Speaker 2: wouldn't be distracted. And I guess digital detox is something
40:39
Speaker 2: we should probably all think about at some point. But
40:41
Speaker 2: I love that a young actor who's so passionate about
40:44
Speaker 2: acting had the mindset and the foresight to say, right,
40:49
Speaker 2: the way for me to absorb myself into this role
40:52
Speaker 2: is to actually digitally detox. And I love the term
40:54
Speaker 2: digital detox. It was one of the things I actually
40:57
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about today because more and more people
41:01
Speaker 2: are distracted by their phones. I do it all the time.
41:03
Speaker 2: I'll wake up at three am and I'm scrolling on
41:05
Speaker 2: stories for the show, looking for tech news, and it's
41:09
Speaker 2: really easy to reach over and grab for that phone
41:12
Speaker 2: and distract yourself with your staying up late, getting up
41:15
Speaker 2: early and whatever. It happens to be so good, digital
41:17
Speaker 2: detox is challenging. Do you reckon you could go for
41:20
Speaker 2: half a day without your phone?
41:23
Speaker 1: I definitely could. But I think it is a really
41:26
Speaker 1: interesting question, mate, And I think is the tech technology
41:31
Speaker 1: the problem or the way that we use it, Because like,
41:33
Speaker 1: if I didn't have my phone, nobody could reach me,
41:36
Speaker 1: including my mum and dad couldn't open an email, so
41:39
Speaker 1: I think there's the pros and cons. It's like some
41:43
Speaker 1: like the way that we use technology can be problematic
41:47
Speaker 1: and even toxic and destructive one hundred percent, or you
41:51
Speaker 1: can use it in a really healthy, intelligent, positive, practical way.
41:57
Speaker 1: So I don't know that just putting your own in
42:00
Speaker 1: a drawer for two weeks is practical for a lot
42:04
Speaker 1: of people, But you know, if you're him and you're
42:07
Speaker 1: doing that, I totally understand it. But yeah, I like
42:10
Speaker 1: the idea. I think it's this sounds weird, but I
42:13
Speaker 1: think it's about changing your relationship with technology, how you
42:18
Speaker 1: use it, and being aware of Ah, I do this
42:22
Speaker 1: thing with my phone that's a bad habit. So rather
42:25
Speaker 1: than throwing away the phone, why don't I change this
42:29
Speaker 1: habit that I have with the phone? Just like you
42:32
Speaker 1: can prepare your dinner with a knife, or you can
42:35
Speaker 1: do something much worse with a knife. It's the knife
42:38
Speaker 1: is not the problem. It's what we do with that
42:41
Speaker 1: particular resource or tool.
42:43
Speaker 2: I think, why did my head go to Lorrain and
42:45
Speaker 2: Bobbitt Nielsen Company in he doesn't know who that is
42:50
Speaker 2: and a lot about but just just look it up.
42:53
Speaker 2: Yeah it's full. Now it's just going to look it
42:56
Speaker 2: up while we chat about The Nielsen Company in the
42:58
Speaker 2: US says the average adult in the United States spends
43:02
Speaker 2: around eleven hours daily engaging with digital media. Eleven hours.
43:09
Speaker 2: Tiff is now laughing. You might have to tell us
43:11
Speaker 2: to remind us. For those listeners who've never heard of
43:13
Speaker 2: Lorraina Bobbitt.
43:15
Speaker 3: Rain and Bobbitt severed her husband John's penis on during
43:19
Speaker 3: the twenty third nineteen ninety three, A day.
43:23
Speaker 2: That will looking in for me.
43:25
Speaker 1: Speaking of speaking of things we can do with knives,
43:28
Speaker 1: You're welcome.
43:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, that popp into my head. I reckon. I must
43:33
Speaker 2: have been traumatized by that as a bloke, do you reckon?
43:37
Speaker 1: I just don't even like hearing that forty years later
43:41
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. That just yeah, I was going
43:46
Speaker 1: to say something fucking hilarious then I wish I could.
43:50
Speaker 1: I know, we should just have a podcast where you
43:52
Speaker 1: can just say whatever you want. Yeah, I mean, I
43:55
Speaker 1: know this is as close as it gets.
43:57
Speaker 2: Probably I don't think anything's held as back.
44:01
Speaker 1: There's lots to okay, you know anyway, anyway, I need
44:06
Speaker 1: to try and keep my career in tax somehow.
44:09
Speaker 2: Or one more little tiny bit about digital detox so
44:14
Speaker 2: stepping back from the internet or connected devices like your phone,
44:17
Speaker 2: laptop or whatever. For it's just a set time, but
44:19
Speaker 2: more than just having a little bit of a break.
44:21
Speaker 2: But what it's been found is a digital detox could
44:26
Speaker 2: improve your sleep, your mood, and your work life balance.
44:29
Speaker 2: So having structured detox times of not just putting the
44:33
Speaker 2: phone down, but saying Okay, I'm going to put it
44:35
Speaker 2: away for a time can actually really help as well.
44:38
Speaker 2: So again it comes back to what you were saying earlier.
44:41
Speaker 2: It's not about the technology, it's how we use it.
44:43
Speaker 1: I know this is dumb question. I'm sure the answer
44:46
Speaker 1: is yes. But with an iPhone or any smartphone for
44:50
Speaker 1: that matter, is it you can set it up so
44:53
Speaker 1: you're temporarily your phone will only allow three or four
44:57
Speaker 1: phone numbers or one phone number to call you and.
44:59
Speaker 2: Block the Yeah, I do that at night. So my
45:02
Speaker 2: phone from nine to thirty till five thirty it has
45:05
Speaker 2: a do not disturb mode. But I can have a
45:09
Speaker 2: certain number of phone numbers that are bookmarked as important
45:13
Speaker 2: numbers that can get through someone called so my dad,
45:16
Speaker 2: my brother, that sort of thing. Say, yeah, absolutely right.
45:18
Speaker 2: And one of the other cool features that I don't
45:20
Speaker 2: know about your phones. I'm using a pixel, but if
45:22
Speaker 2: I'm in a meeting or on with somebody and I'm
45:25
Speaker 2: at a cafe, if I turn my phone face down,
45:28
Speaker 2: it will also automatically go into do not disturb mode.
45:32
Speaker 2: And I think that for me. I don't know about
45:33
Speaker 2: you guys, but I like the idea of when you're
45:37
Speaker 2: sitting down with someone because we all feel like we
45:39
Speaker 2: have to have our phones and I can't have mine
45:40
Speaker 2: in my pocket. I find it really annoying if my
45:43
Speaker 2: phone's in my pocket when I'm sitting down. But I
45:45
Speaker 2: always put my phone face down, so A I'm not distracted,
45:49
Speaker 2: but B it means that I'm in to do not
45:50
Speaker 2: disturb mode. But I think from an etiquette point of view,
45:53
Speaker 2: it's nice to turn your phone down and not be distracted.
45:55
Speaker 2: There's nothing worse if you're having a conversation with someone
45:59
Speaker 2: and they glance at this phone. It happens occasionally. Have
46:02
Speaker 2: you been in that scenario where tiffk or Craig where
46:06
Speaker 2: somebody has been chatting to you and all of a
46:08
Speaker 2: sudden it gets distracted by their phone.
46:11
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Hey, we've got five minutes. I want
46:14
Speaker 1: to cover off a couple of car things that I'm
46:16
Speaker 1: interested in.
46:17
Speaker 2: What you would be going.
46:19
Speaker 1: Okay, so first one BYD have created a new charging
46:26
Speaker 1: system whatever where you can fill up fill up is
46:30
Speaker 1: not the right word, but that'll do fill up your
46:31
Speaker 1: car with electricity in five minutes. So to do four
46:35
Speaker 1: hundred ks off of five minute charge, I think I
46:38
Speaker 1: don't have that written in front of me, but I
46:40
Speaker 1: saw your prompt or something like that. Yeah, one, that's
46:43
Speaker 1: going to be a game changer.
46:45
Speaker 2: It is. There's a few caveats on this. So it's
46:47
Speaker 2: a thousand kilowatt system and the average charging station isn't
46:51
Speaker 2: anywhere near that, so the infrastructure would have to be
46:53
Speaker 2: in place. But we're talking about the same time it's
46:57
Speaker 2: filling up with petrol and giving you that four hundred kilometer.
47:00
Speaker 2: That's a deal breaker. If you could do that with
47:02
Speaker 2: an electric vehicle, I think that would switch a lot
47:04
Speaker 2: of people over because suddenly, you know, doing a drive
47:07
Speaker 2: to Adelaide or Brisbane or wherever is not going to
47:10
Speaker 2: be something that's logistically a massive, you know, way to
47:15
Speaker 2: have to plan a trip if you've got to keep
47:16
Speaker 2: stopping and you know you can't get that range when
47:19
Speaker 2: you need it, so that's pretty cool. BYD is an
47:22
Speaker 2: interesting company. It's a Chinese company and they're pushing. They're
47:25
Speaker 2: selling more cars than Tesla, and I guess recently, with
47:28
Speaker 2: everything that's going on in the States, everybody's selling more
47:31
Speaker 2: cars than Tesla. I think it sells more cars than
47:33
Speaker 2: Tesla at the moment, but the reality of it is
47:37
Speaker 2: that there's been a massive shift towards the Chinese automakers
47:41
Speaker 2: and BYD is definitely the world's leader when it comes
47:44
Speaker 2: to electric cars at the moment. And you know, there's
47:47
Speaker 2: another little gadget. I love this BYD Now one of
47:50
Speaker 2: they're talking about having a car that's been launched that
47:53
Speaker 2: they'd to team up with Dji, the world's biggest drone manufacturer,
47:58
Speaker 2: and they have a section of the roof with the
48:00
Speaker 2: roof slides away and the drone launches, so when you're
48:04
Speaker 2: driving off road, you get an aerial view of what
48:07
Speaker 2: you're doing. So it's for filming, it's for people who
48:10
Speaker 2: like off roading, and you've literally got a drone that's
48:13
Speaker 2: flying above you, so that if you're driving through a
48:16
Speaker 2: forest or driving through an area, we are not too sure.
48:19
Speaker 2: You've got this aerial view. By the drone, And so
48:22
Speaker 2: the drone comes with the car as a feature that's
48:26
Speaker 2: integrated into the BYD vehicle. That's kind of interesting and
48:29
Speaker 2: nerdy at the same time.
48:31
Speaker 1: I need that as I'm heading into the CBD ye
48:34
Speaker 1: looking for a cart just to fly up out the
48:36
Speaker 1: top of the bloody Suzuki Swift.
48:40
Speaker 2: Last one, I Lovezki Swift. You can use it to
48:43
Speaker 2: carry the Suzuki Swift.
48:45
Speaker 1: That is true. That is true. I'll tell you what.
48:48
Speaker 1: If you ever want to look super cool, everyone, get
48:50
Speaker 1: yourself Suzuki Swift. I tell you what, the ultimate kind
48:54
Speaker 1: of credibility builder you want to build your brand, get
48:56
Speaker 1: one of them. Hey, last one I love to that
49:01
Speaker 1: volks was a Volkswagen.
49:02
Speaker 2: I can't.
49:03
Speaker 1: Yes, they're heading back to vinyl, and by that I
49:09
Speaker 1: mean they're doing they're going retro. They're introducing buttons into
49:14
Speaker 1: the car.
49:15
Speaker 4: Yeah.
49:15
Speaker 2: There's a lot of talk and chatter in the auto
49:19
Speaker 2: world about how big screens on dashes with no physical
49:24
Speaker 2: buttons is actually not as good as we thought it
49:27
Speaker 2: was going to be, and that to reach for the
49:30
Speaker 2: controls and swap the screen over to be able to
49:32
Speaker 2: adjust the temperature or the volume is just not user
49:36
Speaker 2: friendly at all and that for us as people who
49:40
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, when I get into the car,
49:42
Speaker 2: I don't have to look down to know where the
49:44
Speaker 2: volume control is. You know, who can imagine turning your
49:48
Speaker 2: indicators on without the stalk on the side a little
49:51
Speaker 2: bit of that. And so Volkswagen is now committing itself
49:54
Speaker 2: to bringing back this sense of more haptic connectedness, whether
50:00
Speaker 2: it's putting knobs back on and sliders or making the
50:04
Speaker 2: interactions you have. What I mean by haptick is it
50:07
Speaker 2: might be a virtual button, but when you move it, it
50:09
Speaker 2: feels like it's vibrating, so you get a sense of
50:12
Speaker 2: real connectedness with whatever you're currently doing on the vehicle.
50:16
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think that's a great move forward when
50:19
Speaker 2: we go backwards.
50:20
Speaker 1: And you know what is interesting is if you're driving
50:23
Speaker 1: from your joint to my joint and you pick up
50:26
Speaker 1: your phone while you're driving and you start to play
50:29
Speaker 1: or move something or open something, then you're breaking the law.
50:34
Speaker 1: But if you've got one of those big screens like
50:36
Speaker 1: I have in my other car, you reach across and
50:40
Speaker 1: you're essentially on a giant phone and your attention is like,
50:45
Speaker 1: it's not that natural where you can reach over and
50:47
Speaker 1: twist that nob or push that button, because there is
50:50
Speaker 1: no nob or button to twist or push. So now
50:53
Speaker 1: it actually takes concentration and cognitive energy to pay attention
50:58
Speaker 1: to the thing you're trying to adjust while you drive,
51:01
Speaker 1: which to me is a much bigger distraction and bigger
51:04
Speaker 1: danger than touching your phone, which you're very familiar with.
51:09
Speaker 2: On my car, I've got a master and even though
51:13
Speaker 2: I've got a screen in front of me, it's not
51:14
Speaker 2: a touch screen for navigation and all those sorts of things.
51:17
Speaker 2: But it's a big it's a big knob. It's a
51:19
Speaker 2: rotating dial, and I know that if I reach over
51:22
Speaker 2: to the gearstick and then I bring my hand further back,
51:26
Speaker 2: that's where the dial is. It's very tactile. But I
51:29
Speaker 2: never look down at it. I don't have to. I
51:31
Speaker 2: know exactly where it is, and I know the volume
51:33
Speaker 2: control to the radio is to the left of that,
51:36
Speaker 2: so intuitively, I never need to look down, and I'm
51:39
Speaker 2: driving along and I can feel for all of that,
51:41
Speaker 2: So I just think it's great. Yundai is doing the
51:43
Speaker 2: same thing. They've done focus groups, so they've got people
51:47
Speaker 2: together and they've said people get stressed and annoyed when
51:51
Speaker 2: they couldn't control something in a tactile way. So that
51:55
Speaker 2: move away from all of that and just having big
51:58
Speaker 2: screens strading drivers and now the likes of Hyunda and
52:02
Speaker 2: Kiir and now taking a much more different approach to
52:05
Speaker 2: the way they look at that, and as is Volkswagen as.
52:08
Speaker 1: Well, perfect the HR station Wagon. That's what we need
52:12
Speaker 1: to go back to. Patrick. You probably don't remember that,
52:14
Speaker 1: But where can people find you? Follow you, connect with you? Patrick?
52:18
Speaker 2: I just go to websitesnow dot com dot au if
52:21
Speaker 2: you want to talk media and marketing and websites and
52:25
Speaker 2: branding and stuff, or just go to Tychi at home
52:27
Speaker 2: dot com, todau if you just want to do some
52:29
Speaker 2: tai Chie with me, because that's funny.
52:31
Speaker 1: I hope you two kids have a beautiful day tomorrow.
52:34
Speaker 1: I hope the dogs play well together. I hope you
52:36
Speaker 1: two play well together. I hope you don't get rained
52:39
Speaker 1: on and we expect a full report next time.
52:43
Speaker 2: Sounds good.
52:44
Speaker 1: Thanks TeV, thank you, Thanks Patty, thank you,