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O Flock, O Flock: Ep 3459 · Challenges of Faith Radio Program

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Challenges of Faith radio program.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Gary McKenz here on episode 3459. According to Futurism,
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  Speaker 2: it's released to the flock system. You know, we haven't
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  Speaker 2: talked about that in a few weeks. But they talk
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  Speaker 2: about the flock license plate camera density by state.
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  Speaker 1: And how it's ranked.
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  Speaker 2: The Reclaim the Net has an analysis of the locations
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  Speaker 2: of flock safety license plate readers, which has been mapped
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  Speaker 2: out by volunteers, and it shows that there's one of
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  Speaker 2: these devices.
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  Speaker 1: For every 1,200 people in Georgia. Say what?
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  Speaker 2: And that this is the highest density in the United States,
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  Speaker 2: more than double the national rate, and higher than any
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  Speaker 2: other state The numbers are based on 116,548 flocked cameras
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  Speaker 2: mapped across the country in the U.S. Census Bureau's July
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  Speaker 2: 2025 estimates of the population. At the other end of
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  Speaker 2: the scale, New Hampshire has 19 mapped cameras of 1.3
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  Speaker 2: per 100,000 people. The mapped flocked license plate cameras per 100,000
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  Speaker 2: residents by state Of the top 15, you ready to
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  Speaker 2: hear about them? Because maybe it's your state that we're
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  Speaker 2: speaking of. You sure you want to know?
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  Speaker 1: Of course you do. Georgia, again, 9,407 to 11, wow, 11, wow, wow, wow.
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  Speaker 3: Mm, mm, mm. 83.2% of the population.
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  Speaker 1: Ohio, 53% of the population.
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  Speaker 3: Texas, 50.4%. Alabama, 49.5%.
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  Speaker 1: Indiana, 49.2%. Illinois, 46.3%. Kansas, 44.4%. Tennessee, 43.9.
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  Speaker 3: California, 43.6. Missouri, 40.9.
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  Speaker 2: Kentucky, 39.7.
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  Speaker 1: Colorado, 38.9. Delaware, 38.5.
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  Speaker 3: Louisiana, 37.8.
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  Speaker 2: Virginia, 36%. of its population as it relates to the
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  Speaker 2: fly cameras. And then, of course, you've got D.C. and
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  Speaker 2: Puerto Rico, 33.8%.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And if you go over to Reclaim the Net, you
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  Speaker 1: can look at the ranking.
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  Speaker 2: Of all the states, of every single one. You've got
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  Speaker 2: to remember now that the flock cameras are part of
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  Speaker 2: a system that photographs every passing car. And it reads
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  Speaker 2: and stores the license plate number along with the time
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  Speaker 2: and place of the sighting. And this is just not
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  Speaker 2: a local issue because agencies that have signed up to
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  Speaker 2: the flock network can search each other's cameras effectively making
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  Speaker 2: every town Every town that buys the system are part
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  Speaker 2: of a national surveillance network.
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  Speaker 1: You remember when.
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  Speaker 2: One of the senators, Hall is his last name, wrote
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  Speaker 2: to the flock safety in August? He put the number
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  Speaker 2: of these cameras at more than 120,049 states, producing more
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  Speaker 2: than 20 billion, not millions, not thousands, 20 billion vehicle
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  Speaker 2: scans per month. And he reacted by saying at the
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  Speaker 2: time that Americans do not surrender their privacy rights when
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  Speaker 2: they drive to work, drop their kids off at school,
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  Speaker 2: or go to church, and that Congress never authorized the
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  Speaker 2: network that the.
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  Speaker 1: Flock industry had built.
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  Speaker 2: And in October, the Justice Department tried to downplay the
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  Speaker 2: issue by telling the Fifth Circuit that being watched on
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  Speaker 2: the road is the reality of modern life. However, the
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  Speaker 2: Chief Judge, Jennifer Walker Elroy, asked, what if it becomes
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  Speaker 2: not spread out and it's on every corner, which is
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  Speaker 2: soon to be? And is it really episodic when it
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  Speaker 2: so permeates everything? And the answer to the judge's question
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  Speaker 2: is the density of our network. that the higher state
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  Speaker 2: ranks in terms of the number of cameras per head,
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  Speaker 2: the closer every trip its residents make is being logged.
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  Speaker 2: And more likely it is that a few photos become
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  Speaker 2: a detailed travel history. And in Ohio, the ranking shows
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  Speaker 2: that Ohio is second, with 53% flock cameras per 100,000 people,
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  Speaker 2: followed by Texas with 50.4%. Alabama with 49.5, Indiana with 49.2,
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  Speaker 2: and Illinois with 46.3, the same thing that was just
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  Speaker 2: recently laid out. Flock, which is headquartered in Atlanta, and
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  Speaker 2: all this, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation arrested four Savannah
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  Speaker 2: Police Department employees that was accused of using the system
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  Speaker 2: for non-law enforcement purposes. And then you got California that
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  Speaker 2: has the most flocked cameras with 17,178. And again, you
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  Speaker 2: got Texas is second with 15,987. Their large population puts
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  Speaker 2: them in ninth and third place, respectfully, in terms of
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  Speaker 2: the number of devices per 100,000 residents. I remember one
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  Speaker 2: of the board members of the community had stopped by
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  Speaker 2: and asked, hey, do.
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  Speaker 1: You want to get permission.
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  Speaker 2: For the flock system to have access to your license plate?
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  Speaker 2: I told them no, and I wrote my signature indicating no.
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  Speaker 2: In Texas, the cameras were paid for with a dollar
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  Speaker 2: fee on every auto insurance policy that was introduced to
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  Speaker 2: fight the theft of catalytic converters, and the state spent
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  Speaker 2: at least $ 30 million on at least 3,200 flock cameras.
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  Speaker 2: An outgoing governor called a state agency funding of the system.
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  Speaker 2: Flocks say, he says, that new city partnerships have outpaced
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  Speaker 2: non-renewals by approximately 10 to 1.
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  Speaker 1: Say what?
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  Speaker 2: And at the other end of the scale, New Hampshire
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  Speaker 2: has the fewest flock cameras per head, followed by Vermont
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  Speaker 2: with 2.8, Maine with 3.1, Alaska with 3.4, and Hawaii
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  Speaker 2: with 4.3. New Hampshire state law says that neither the
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  Speaker 2: state of New Hampshire nor its political subdivision shall engage
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  Speaker 2: in surveillance.
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  Speaker 1: On any public ways with exceptions.
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  Speaker 2: The police are allowed to use license plate readers, but
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  Speaker 2: the data must be purged from the system within three
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  Speaker 2: minutes of their capture.
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  Speaker 3: Unless it is.
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  Speaker 2: Tied to an arrest, a citation, or a wanted vehicle,
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  Speaker 2: is it happening? Think about it. So the state with
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  Speaker 2: almost no flock cameras is the one that has forbidden
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  Speaker 2: keeping the data produced.
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  Speaker 1: By these devices.
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  Speaker 2: The Northeast is broadly lagging behind in terms of the
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  Speaker 2: number of flock cameras per hit. New York has 10.7,
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  Speaker 2: Pennsylvania has 10.8, New Jersey 12.8, and Massachusetts 13.4. And
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  Speaker 2: in Massachusetts, a Superior Court judge ruled in September that
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  Speaker 2: state police must disclose where the fly cameras are located
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  Speaker 2: and when troopers search the database.
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  Speaker 1: And that was as a result of a record.
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  Speaker 2: Strike by the ACLU of Massachusetts as reported by the
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  Speaker 2: Boston Globe.
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  Speaker 1: If you really think about it, flock safety.
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  Speaker 2: Makes about 80% of all map plate readers, with the
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  Speaker 2: rest mostly being Motorola, Solution, Genentech, and Axis. And then
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  Speaker 2: think about it. When all the makers are counted, the
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  Speaker 2: top three states are Georgia with 91 per 100,000 people,
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  Speaker 2: Kansas with 69.5, and Illinois with 59.9. When you think
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  Speaker 2: about Kansas, Wichita, Machinist, Mason-Grimmett, They're suing the city, saying
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  Speaker 2: that the police can reconstruct where you sleep, work, worship,
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  Speaker 2: seek medical treatment, protest who you're associated with, currently without
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  Speaker 2: a warrant. And as for other types of surveillance devices,
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  Speaker 2: flock safety also makes gunshot detectors, which are always on microphones.
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  Speaker 2: And these are most densely placed in Virginia, with 478
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  Speaker 2: or 5.4 per 100,000, followed by Georgia and Louisiana. About
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  Speaker 2: two-thirds of these devices are Flox Raven. And it's not
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  Speaker 2: just law enforcement that operates these cameras. Retailers are among
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  Speaker 2: the biggest operators with loads of them 1,690 in Home Depot, 1,133
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  Speaker 2: map devices, more than any police department. And when you
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  Speaker 2: think about it, private customers like these can choose to
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  Speaker 2: share their cameras with the police. And this means that
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  Speaker 2: efforts to introduce oversight of the system that's focused only
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  Speaker 2: on police usage miss.
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  Speaker 1: A part of the network.
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  Speaker 2: So currently there are several federal bills, including the Ban
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  Speaker 2: Flock Act, H.R. 10691, and the Flot Off Act, H.R. 10221,
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  Speaker 2: and the Protection Against Mass Surveillance Act, H.R.
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  Speaker 3: 9800.
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  Speaker 2: The latter has been promised a House vote in the
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  Speaker 2: lame-duck session. According to a bill tracker, by reclaiming the net, H.R.
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  Speaker 2: 9800 does not restrict surveillance. Purchased entirely with state or
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  Speaker 2: local funds, leaving it a substantial part of the National
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  Speaker 2: Camera Network.
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  Speaker 1: You ready for it? Outside its reach. Did you listen?
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear? Are you sure?
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  Speaker 2: Are you paying attention to wherever you live at?
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  Speaker 1: Are you certain?