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Women: Are They People, Too? Also, the Petties. · Literally, the Worst Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_03: This is literally the worst.
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Anna.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_03: Hello, I'm Lauren.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_03: This is the podcast where we talk about all things that are literally the worst.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_02: So big and small.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_03: Big and small.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_03: So this week, because we were forced to by one of our two listeners, we are going to add a section about pettiness.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_03: And what thing do we find is literally the worst that we're petty about?
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_03: So, uh I I have a thing I would like to complain about.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_03: And that is construction zones that are next to car washes.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_03: Because I am this petty.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um you you get out of the car wash, your car is drying.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_03: This is what happens.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_03: But they're doing construction.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_03: And so there's construction dust everywhere flying around, landing on your car that you just washed.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't like this.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_03: I don't like this at all.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I would like for them to not do that.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it is kind of a trap.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_02: I wonder sometimes if those car washes have paid the city to just be like, just keep it torn up through here.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_02: And every once in a while, you know those those big trucks that have like the wire bristles that like scrape up the just send one of those through every once in a while so that all of my people getting their car washed just have to come back.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: And there's no like rain check for that either, like they normally would for actual rain.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_03: Correct.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_03: So this has been true of the car wash closest to my house, which is on Nolansville Pike in Nashville for the last five years.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_03: So just throwing that out there.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_03: I'm looking at you, car wash.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_02: Cause I used to live like not even a quarter mile from there, like just up a little side street.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_02: And that area mm-hmm.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_02: That area constantly has construction, but now it's a lot worse.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: So uh yeah.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's kind of like the well that we'll put a pin in that for later.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm like, are all car washes also owned by the mob?
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: Just like mattress stores.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: And is this like a mob thing to be like, yeah, dust?
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: Some sort of dust-producing thing right here.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_03: I started to get weird clips on YouTube.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, where is this coming from?
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_03: I did not ask for this.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_03: And because for a while I was like, what are some like money-producing businesses that you own that are also relatively low maintenance?
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_03: Like laundromats.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_03: One of them, which I was like, car washes.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_03: Feel like they should be very high maintenance.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_03: I think they are.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_03: But the clip that ended up popping up in my feed was a billionaire who owns tons of car washes.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_03: Tons of car washes.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_03: Keeps buying them.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, why, guys?
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_03: Why do you have to run everything?
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_03: It was not even.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_02: Because of any reason.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_02: You just have to be slimy enough.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: Only reason they're a billionaire, I'm sure.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_03: But that's probably one part of their Yes.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: Part of their portfolio.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_02: Gross.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_02: Ugh.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, if private equity isn't ruining stuff, that's billionaires, but that's another episode.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_02: My petty thing is I hate when people, be it others in a public place, or myself in my own home, uh, do not rinse the sink out after dumping things down the drain.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_02: So like at Especially, especially like out in public when people are clearly regularly trying to maintain it, and they just like dump coffee out into a drinking fountain and don't rinse it at all.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, this this drinking fountain is for water, not coffee.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_02: Rinse it down.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like, fine, use it.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_02: But just hit the button so the water rinses down a little.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: And then I hate when I do that to myself at home.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I just cleaned that, but I don't even think about it.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: But it's worse outside of here.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_02: I have a notice.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_03: Like, don't leave food in the sink.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_03: Don't leave your nasty coffee crap in the sink.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_03: If it's contained, that's fine.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_03: But if it's like on the sink surface, I'm like, you're just breeding bacteria.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's fair.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say we we're two very different people in the state of our sinks.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_02: I will don't I will not be taking the camera over there to show my sink.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know that my sink is clean right now, but it's usually not my fault.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_03: I will just say that.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_03: I probably just started a feud.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_02: Do you daily like reset?
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_02: Do you try to have it like cleaned up at nighttime?
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_03: No, but if I notice it, I'll spray it out.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_03: Hmm.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_03: And like rinse it out and then run the garbage disposal.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_03: Because I can't stand that either.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, who puts stuff down the garbage disposal and then just lets it foment in there?
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, that is that's a recipe for flute f fruit flies everywhere.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_03: And stank.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, you're building.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_03: And stank, yes.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, it's all gross.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_03: Why would you do that?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_03: Don't do that.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_02: Everything's it's dark, it's warm, it's just damp enough that everything is just everything's hanging out together, getting all juicy and gross in there together.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_02: And then the fruit flies come in as the bacteria has started creating biofilms, and they lay their eggs and little larvae grow in that.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, in my uh I went to Belmont and there was a science building, and every every frickin' spring there was some sort of genetic uh experiment that the biology class did.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_02: So the stairwells would be full of fruit flies, and they were so disgusting, and I couldn't wait every spring until those stupid things died off.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because if you'd just be trying to go upstairs, trying to get to class, and just like they're even in my dreams when I dream about that building, there are fruit flies in the stairwell in my dreams.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's out of control.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's so disgusting.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's nasty.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't know.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_03: Icky.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_02: So talking about nasty, what are some other nasty things?
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_03: Here's some things that are literally the worst.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, so we're gonna talk about are women people too?
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_03: Question mark.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_03: Tonight.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's worth an hour?
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_03: Apparently, it is.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_02: You're not saying that women are the worst, but some people think women are the worst.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_03: Because women may not be with equal rights.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: So awesome.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_03: I for the listeners out there.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_03: One, like, subscribe, give us five stars.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_03: Don't give us four stars, give us five stars.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want no four star reviews.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_03: You'll help other people find our podcast.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_03: Unless you don't want other people to find our podcast, in which case that is sad.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_03: So just think about that.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um so okay, I was listening to Pantsuit Politics a couple weeks ago.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it was just last week, and they did an episode on why are women not so keen on America?
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_03: And they had a whole lot of reasons.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_03: But what what it brought to mind was the survey that came out in 2024 that got resurfaced in 2026 earlier this year, um, about the disparity between women and men and whether or not they had hope for the future in America.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: And wouldn't you know it, women tended in almost every case except two, to have less hope in the future in America.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_03: And if you had to if you had to pick, so like the categories are things like aging farmlands men, middle suburbs men and women, maybe rural middle America men and women, maybe working class country men and women, on and on and on and on.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_03: If you had to guess the two categories where men had less hope than women, there were only two out of at least 15, 16 categories.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_03: Which two do you think had less hope than women?
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, where men had less hope than women.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_03: For the short term or just a general leader.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_03: Long-term future of the United States.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: Would it be like I feel like lower income, lower socioeconomic, urban warm.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_03: That that feels less warm.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: Little less warm.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh city.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you this is gonna be a sad guessing game.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: Because I would imagine I know who doesn't feel or who does feel hopeful for the future.
• 10:55
  unknown: Okay.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_03: Well, let's talk about the two groups of men that don't feel hopeful for the future first, and then we'll talk about all the groups of women that don't feel hopeful for the future of the United States.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_03: And imagine why.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_03: Working class country men is one group that feels less hopeful for the future than women.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: Forty-five percent of working class country men in 2024 when this Ipsos study was done felt hopeful for the future versus 49% of working class country women.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: So is this like blue-collar, probably manufacturing jobs, that sort of thing?
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_03: Out in the country, which manufacturing.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_03: Small town, middle America.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um the other group where men felt less hopeful than women, African American men in the South felt less hopeful than women.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_03: African American women in the South.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_03: Especially the deep south.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_03: So those were the two categories.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: And that was twenty twenty-four, middle of twenty four.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_03: That was twenty twenty-four, July.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_03: They took they did the study uh from June 14th through July 1st, and then the second part of the study they did June 27th through July 6th.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so they did two different parts of the study.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_03: One was done uh via survey, one was done via telephone, and they did this with over 9,000 different Americans.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so that's a that's a pretty good in number of respondents.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man, it may if that's how bad it was in June of 24, I can't imagine.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man, now summer of 26, how those same groups would respond.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: Because I mean, just how many lynchings in the last or alleged lynchings, how many black people found hanging from trees?
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's been like 20 in the last few years that we know about.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_03: Almost two dozen.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_03: Almost ten this year so far.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's a gal plotting them.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna have to pull that up, uh, because that's something I I want to read more about.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: But it just Yeah, it's shocking.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, yeah, I have a feeling hope for the future might be lower now, but Oh my gosh.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: You would think.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_03: And I missed I misspoke.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: Uh 5300, this the poll was based on a sample of 5300 Americans.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_03: 600 of those interviews were done via telephone instead of survey.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_03: So that's good.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_03: So the groups of women that are the least hopeful.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_03: And this was not surprising to me, but I thought it was really interesting when we start to talk about these groups of women.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, huh, okay.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_03: The one that was the lowest was Latter-day Saints Enclaves.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_03: So think LDS Mormon women communities.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_03: 39% of LDS women who answered this survey have no hope or little hope for the future.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um, or 61% have little hope.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_03: 39% are hopeful versus 51% of LDS men.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um the next two groups of women that are not very hopeful are military posts women.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_03: And then 52% of women in farmlands, aging farmlands women are not very hopeful for the future of the United States.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_03: So as we kind of start to look at this, I mean, every category except those two that we first mentioned, women are less hopeful than men.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_03: And it was so interesting looking at uh the American Communities Project that uh conducted the study or paid for the study in conjunction with Ipsos, because they were like, well, we're gonna do a bunch of work to figure out why that's the case.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, I don't feel like you really have to dig that far.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_03: But perhaps, maybe you do.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_03: And so um one of the things that came up that I thought was really interesting uh on the Pantsuit Politics podcast, uh, which we'll link to if you haven't listened to it, uh, was that we are now openly discussing um women losing the right to vote in major political circles out in the open.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's no longer something that we're hiding.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um our Secretary of Defense is openly part of a religious circle that promotes that and frequently gets interviews on television about it.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_03: And uh if you look at the record of Heg Seth and promoting women, especially promoting black women, he's not.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: He's just openly not yeah, so very like like overtly again, like not trying to hide it at all.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: Correct.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like his one of the reasons cited for the recent uh resignation of the army secretary was over the lack of promotions for women and people of color.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_03: And so like it's directly impacting the quality of the people in the military, especially at high rank, um, people who have a say in how our military and service members are treated, um, is they're resigning in high numbers.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so you're starting to see this infiltrate the government in a way where it hasn't before at high levels, and you can say, well, maybe we're not electing people who have those viewpoints.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I would say it doesn't really matter if they're then appointed to places and positions of power where they may have more power currently than Congress does.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_03: And so something to kind of anchor to in this chat today that I thought might be interesting is if you had to define misogyny, what would you say the definition of misogyny is?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh is it like thinking like the hatred of women or thinking that uh anyone who's not a man is inherently less than?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: I got an official definition right! Yes, you did it! Yay! I know what misogyny is.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_03: Cool.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: Come up with some kind of like point system.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what that would be, but it's like if you get it right, you get points.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_03: And if not, you get gold stars.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, okay.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: And then we can keep track, and at the end of the year we get prizes.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: My thing would yeah, we have to gamify our own stuff.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_03: Because otherwise, guys, it's just eventually it's just gonna stop happening.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: So it could be like reverse hunger games where when we start having like podcast uh maintenance operations stuff that neither of us want to do, we can just throw it in a jar.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: Or like I could turn in three of my stars to get Anna's name put in the bucket three times for who has to do it.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: May the odds be ever in your favor.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: Who's gonna post to Instagram this week?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's like you can use it for a prize, or you can use it to punish the other person and avoid a task.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_03: Oh man.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: That's great.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: How bad is your ADHD this week?
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: How badly do you need a potato day?
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh gosh.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but also, like given that No no no, go ahead.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, we just need a millionaire to adopt us, and then we can hire a VA and do to do all the tasks that we don't want to do.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like that's very wishful thinking, but well, the VA part is probably less wishful than the millionaire to adopt us.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um That's probably true, yeah.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_03: As long as one stays employed.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: True, yes.
• 20:48
  unknown: Yeah.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I did recommend to a friend today, I was like, you could find a financial sub and be their financial dom.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: It might include like you might have to send some photos.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: But oh, what did what did she say?
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, as long as you don't include the face, that's okay.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: And what did they come back with?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: Hang on.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they said no face, no case.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: So if you take yeah, yep, yep.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, this is screwed.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's fantastic.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, great.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_03: This is good.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_03: Wonderful.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_03: I love this.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so other income streams.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: Misogyny.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_03: Hatred of women, other income streams.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_03: We are the full package, guys.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: What more do you want out of a podcast?
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so hatred of, aversion uh or aversion to or the prejudice against women.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_03: Basically saying that they are less than.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_03: And right now in the government we're seeing that has Place um at very high levels of government.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_03: We're also seeing it take place just in cultural kind of in general, where speech against women, speech against women's ability to do things as well as men or carry out tasks or be as talented in some areas is also becoming an openly discussed topic, um, more so than normal.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so Lauren.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_03: I am curious of all the stories that and examples that you heard about in the Panthe Politics episode, which one stood out the most to you?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, uh I'm just gonna keep putting you on the spot.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's all this episode is.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_03: That's great just fine.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, okay, like as far as like the hatred of women and the thinking less than, yeah.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um the thing that comes to mind right now is the like that also means that men don't respect us, like as humans, as uh contributors, and yeah, if you're a misogynist, you don't like women, and then that means you also don't respect them.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: And so like as women, we feel that even if we're not, even if words are not being said.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, we feel that in the ways that we are excluded, uh, and like not brought into conversations, or even if we are in the conversations the way we're dismissed or belittled, or one of the other things they were talking about was uh what's the president's gopher's name, Natalie?
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: Is that Natalie Harp, yes, thank you.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: I couldn't think of a better word to say, but like she is they I think somebody was referring to her as a girl, and it's like she's a 35-year-old woman.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like she the we don't get to like infantilize her.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: She is she's a full-grown adult, granted, making some weird decisions.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but like, yeah, she's not this thing to be possessed, or this thing that goes like that belongs to the president.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: Because wasn't there some quote about like I just want to ride around on my plane with Natalie?
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, she's not a toy, she's a human.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: What is wrong with people?
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it's the it's the lack of respect that shows up in so many different ways.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, being ignored, excluded, talked down to, talked over.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_03: The human printer.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, which is what Natalie Harp's nickname is, which is I I have felt like that is a strategic move by the administration to downplay the amount of power that she has because her job is is the president's executive assistant.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_03: And so she carries a printer around.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_03: The president prefers to read things that have been printed out.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_03: She prints things for him uh on.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_03: I wonder how big of a font she has to print.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: 64-point font.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_03: I've wondered that.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, do you just like plus plus plus plus plus plus plus on the keyboard anytime you need to print?
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um and they call her the human printer, but I'm like, she's the person that filters the news that the president sees.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_03: She's the person who writes most of his truths on Truth Social, the posts that he posts on social media.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um and so she's the person that takes all of his dictation, she's the person that they believe creates all of the AI images that then get posted.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's not him doing it, it's her.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: And so if you think about potentially the most influential one of the most influential human beings in the United States, it's Natalie Harp.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, whether or not that's okay, obviously, no.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's not.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well, because there's never there's never been a position like this before, right?
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: This is this is a new position in an administration.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_02: They don't typically But not one that functions like this, who's like filtering everything this way.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: And they don't typically travel with the president like this, and they don't typically Yeah, they're not they're not this level of attached to the president.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: And that's a whole other thing too.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_03: We could do a whole episode on that.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um to your point, she's 35, she's making her own decisions.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: They might be messed up, but she's making her own decisions.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um I think a couple things that I found really interesting from the storylist was uh there was a contractor who worked for the Blue Angels who was a uh black-owned business who had a 43-year-long contract to make the Blue Angels flight suits because they have special flight suits.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um and there's only I think there's only six blue angel pilots in the United States.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's a very exclusive group, and so their flight suits are custom made for each pilot.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: And so you're a blue angel for so many years, and then you rotate out, and someone new rotates in, you have a special flight suit made for you.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_03: And for for 43 years, it was a black-owned business making these flight suits, but under the Trump administration, under no notice, they were not told the contract was given to somebody else.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_03: And so when it came time to make the flight suits, they were like, What's going on?
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: Nobody told them it was given to a corporation to make the flight suits.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: And so the yeah, and that wasn't even nearby.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: Correct.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like this that that black-owned business was like right near the base, and so they could they had easy access for fittings and all of that, and yeah.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, carry on.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, but it was also uh, I believe, a female black-owned business, and so it's like, no, we're not gonna have that because one, we don't get a kickback from that, but two, we don't want female females to lead business, make money, and that's just another sign of misogyny in culture.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um couple other things happened that were really interesting recently.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_03: So um the a Senate committee stripped IBF provisions from the basically healthcare provisions for members of the military.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_03: And so as part of their health care package, they no longer get IVF provisions, and uh IBF has become like a whole bucket of fish hooks around in conservative circles.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um and regardless of what you believe about IVF, if you want people to be having more children, which a lot of these people say that they do, because a lot of them are natalists, then you should be giving people as much opportunity to make babies as possible.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: And so that yes, that exact thing, because I was listening to it and they were like, oh yeah, uh removing access to abortion and access to contraceptives and then IVF, and I'm like, that the IVF is the opposite of like what is happening there, like that's trying to make a baby, dear, dear politicians.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like, do you actually know what you're talking about?
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: And as we've seen in so many of the like random interviews where like women are stopping men on the street and randomly interviewing them, or like clips from different state legislations where they're asking, like, hey, do you know what this is?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: What part of female anatomy this is?
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, No.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, well, then maybe you shouldn't be making decisions about it.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like, maybe you shouldn't be making policy decisions about it.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_03: I think my favorite though was the senator that kept asking, like, So when the baby is in the stomach, and I was like, No, no, sir.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: No, sir.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: That is not a thing.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's bathing in hydrochloric acid.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: Just yeah, and I was it was basically like when they somebody corrected him, and he was like, Okay, so like the baby has to pass through the stomach, though.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_03: No, sir.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_03: I was just like, Oh no! Fathom a world in which the stomach was not connected to female reproductive organs, and I was like, this is what you've been doing is not how you make a baby, okay.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's not how you make a baby.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_03: I have children, sir.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know how this happens.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, uh, yeah.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um my gosh.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_03: And then on the other end of the spectrum.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_03: On the other end of the spectrum, I thought something that was really interesting was the AOC filmed her egg retrieval for egg freezing.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: To kind of like talk about this is what this is, this is how this happens, this is why I'm doing it, kind of like bringing to light, like, here's how this decision gets made and what it's like and what the procedure is like, and doing like real life education about like this is how the female body actually works.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, girl, you're a house rep.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_03: Like it shouldn't be your job to educate all these dudes on how this works.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um and that felt just like a little bit wild to me.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_03: That I don't know if she felt like she had to go to those lengths, or if she thought it would be helpful for people, or I don't know.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um I would be curious, like, I'm not questioning her motives, but I am curious.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like, did you think it was your job to do this, or did you think this was a good way to talk about this issue, or whatever?
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um on that one, I I think there's a lot of beauty in it being an educational experience, yes, for men, but also for women, because I mean, yeah, like they said, you know, we talk about freezing our eggs, but it's not just like uh, oh, I just go in for a procedure and scoop them out.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like, no, it is like I I looked into it at one point in grad school because I was like, hmm, I wonder if I could donate some of my eggs and the process for it, like months long.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: And it just, I was like, no, I am not going through that for months at a time.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: And then the misery that you feel in the process, no way.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I love the educational part of it.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um I do wonder if this is a way to make herself like is she gonna just use it as like campaign strategy?
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: Which I mean, might as well, like if you're walking through it yourself, like yeah, might as well be open about it and find new points of connection with people that maybe you wouldn't have connected with otherwise.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_02: So I'd it feels my gut is like, yeah, she's doing it because it's real and she wanted to share, and you know, all I'm totally in her head with no knowledge whatsoever.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: But it also um it she does seem to be pretty savvy in how she connects with the community.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so I wonder if this is just another way of like, hey, I'm just I am a human too, and this is an option that I want to have.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it'll be interesting to see like how that comes up.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think she just wrapped up, didn't she?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like a couple weeks ago.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, maybe she's done now.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, what a process though to to and then to have it to be filming about it.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I know it was her choice, but oof.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: I can't imagine.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_03: I can't, I really can't imagine.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_03: It feels like feels like a lot um to be filming it.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_03: So I think the other thing too though is like she got criticism about it.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_03: She got criticism saying, like, oh, it's a political stunt, it's a political move for you to do this.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that just goes back to the point of like yeah, women can't really do anything without criticism.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_03: You're either conniving or you're not like open enough.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_03: You're either too much, not enough, like there's no there is no winning.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um, especially if you are already not liked.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like people will come up with reasons to not like you.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um and I think, ooh, here's a pet peeve.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_03: Women that don't like other women.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_03: Because there's a whole lot of them out there, like internalized misogyny.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: I've been at the I've been at the wrong end of that before.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: That is no fun.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's ugly.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because in in a way it feels it, I don't know, it feels slimier.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: It sometimes feels just like a betrayal.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, are you are you actually you're actually doing this?
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: Because I get this is also a side tangent too for patriarchy, but it's like I get, you know, aligning to the patriarchal structures is a way to try to feel safe for a little while.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: But the problem is like these systems um that perpetuate misogyny, that perpetuate the patriarchy, um, they like they will still come to eat women, no matter what color your skin, no matter what your socioeconomic status is.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like they will work through, these systems will work through the pecking order, and eventually, like you're just as uh what's the word, vulnerable as everybody else was.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: And so yeah, it can be a short-term protection, like siding with patriarchy or siding with misogyny, but long term, it's like, no, you're not, you're not any safer long term.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: And it just it I get really angry when I see that happening, and I also get sad, but I get it too, because I'm like, of course, you're just you're trying to survive.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's okay, but you're still trying to survive, and that's the option you went with.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: And I think what's interesting is that I feel like the strategy a lot of women adopt is okay, well, I'll just bring a more masculine energy to I'll be more aggressive, I'll be more direct, I'll communicate like a man, I'll dress, maybe I won't dress like a man, but I will wear suits, pantsuits, or I will wear nothing wrong with a pantsuit, and I'm like, the only reason pantsuits exist, y'all.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_03: No woman in her right mind would wear a pantsuit unless it's like, yeah.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_03: You're only wearing it because it's a thing dudes wear.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we had to have some we what well because we didn't want to have to wear a dress, so it's like, well, the alternative is a pantsuit.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_02: So at least we get yeah, which the pockets and pantsuits.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't bought a pantsuit in probably like five years, so maybe it's better.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: But even those pockets are terrible, they're like half a thumb deep, and so you can't actually put anything in there.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: And then the pockets on the jacket are freaking fake.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's so annoying.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_03: And if you do put stuff in the pockets on the pants, it falls out.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's like what's the thing?
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because the material's so flimsy anyway, and maybe you're wearing a belt, but I feel like my goal in life is to find pants that I don't have to wear a belt with.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: And so then if I'm not wearing a belt and it's flimsy material and the pockets aren't deep, I have no hope.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: I just have to girl grip it, and like I'm thinking, I'm thinking about like all the networking events I used to go to.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: I have like a stack of business cards, which kill me now, but like a stack of business cards and my drink and my phone and my keys, and I've just got like this handful of just clutter, and then I'm standing there and being like, oh my gosh, I love small talk with people I don't know.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: And oh, talking business is the best.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_03: You go into network events.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, all through my time at BASF, like a big part of the program I hired into was like, you need to build your network within the company, and so they hosted loads of networking events.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_02: Plus, it was a lot of people in that program, which myself included at the time, were like, I'm gonna climb the corporate ladder.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: And so it was all about how many like VPs and SVPs and EVPs could you talk to?
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: And so much of it became like a by the end of it, I was like, I can't, I can't do this anymore.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I just got to the I'm like, can I hold one or two people hostage and just talk to them the whole time?
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: Or you know, other people that don't want to be there doing the same thing.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, but it was terrible.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's at first I was like, oh, networking event, and then I realized, oh, I hate this.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_02: This is the worst.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm not good in social situations where I feel comfortable, let alone where I'm uncomfortable, and then sweating because I've always been a sweater, and then we're in these rooms where we're all packed in and there's never enough air circulating.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm just like, I'm sweating, my drink glass is sweating.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_03: Everything is sweaty.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sweating, sweaty, I'm uncomfortable.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I never knew how to break into like the the social circles that people stand in at those events, and it's like, how are you supposed to, especially if you're there by yourself and you don't know anybody?
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, yeah, you could just walk up and then like stand, stand on the outside and like hope that somebody opens up.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I did too.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_03: My way into those circles, or be like, oh hi, the one person I knew in the circle, and hope that they like didn't just completely ignore me.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_03: And then if they did, I would just walk away.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_03: But if they didn't, then I would like make them expand the circle, and then I would just stand there awkwardly and chit-chip it.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like everybody else.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like a speculum.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: Just like get in there and then walk, open it up.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, I just had a women's health appointment yesterday, and we didn't have to do that, but I was like, there's all of the material.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, no, thank god no.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_02: That's I was like, that's why speculum's on the brain.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_03: I'm glad that that's we were talking about something else.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: Networking, pantsuits.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_03: Pantsuits, girl grip.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's a reason women are less hopeful.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_03: I'll just say that.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I would also say, like, there's a reason if you're if your special someone in your life, dude, is like I don't feel great about the United States right now.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_03: There's probably good reason for it.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_03: So I'll just throw that out there too.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like, they're experiencing a lot.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_03: There's being a l there's a lot being said about how women are not capable of basic civil function the same way men are.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's I'm like, stay focused on the topic at hand lauren, because this goes down the whole, like, you know, beauty standards.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: There's the essentially the we've had the rise and fall of body positivity.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_02: So like we're on the downswing of body positivity movements.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: And it makes sense that that's happening, and that there's this like increased uh emphasis on beauty standards and not aging and all of that because and becoming smaller.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: Because when women are focused on those things, they are less focused on everything else that's happening in the world.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_02: And smaller women, hungry women, tired women, uh, women that are spending all of their money on like things to keep up with the beauty standard are easier to control.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: And uh that is what like all of like it does not surprise me that we're seeing these changes in the body positive world and like the shrinking of American.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: women.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean it's a global thing too, but especially in America and the rise of a government regime, whatever you choose to call it, administration, that um yeah, is openly misogynist and yeah, wanting I mean you we started this conversation around removing women from uh voting because our opinions aren't worth it.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: So it's it's the the future does not look great.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_02: Which is why I'm looking at countries like Italy.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, what is my three to five year plan to get to Italy?
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_02: Or potentially Ireland or Scotland or someplace that's not here.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: Spain.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: Spain is a good option.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: What's on your list?
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh open to Australia.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know how I feel about living in the Southern Hemisphere.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_03: Because of the whole like summer in when it's supposed to be winter time.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like I would feel weird about that.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if my circadian rhythms would recover.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_03: I would have to like really work hard on adjusting.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um I've I feel like I'd literally have to move further south over and like spend a few months like in Mexico and then spend a few months in Peru and then make the jump over to Australia.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's like our bodies weren't meant to travel time zones the way we travel time zones in hemispheres.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_03: But then I'm like would I rather just get over it and like have the shock and then be done probably um I would move I would move to Italy I would move to Spain.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know about Scotland because I don't think I could do the rainy weather 80% of the year.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's my big question mark.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I if I didn't have to learn the language the Nordic countries would be on the list but I'm just like I don't think I can learn I don't think I can do it I just don't think I can it it's a lot on top of everything else to learn the language and make that trans transition life transition.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's a it's a whole process it's a whole I did look into it.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_03: Did a lot of research I was like oh this is an informed decision yeah this is what it takes to move to Finland okay I have heard it's awesome uh and I'm like well learning Finnish or Swedish would be a whole thing and then you gotta live there seven years and then you can apply and then yeah so it's like man there's a lot of apply for citizenship after those seven years.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yes and that's the only way that you get all the benefits of being Finnish.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_03: Otherwise you don't get the benefits.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_03: Fair because then it's like what's the point?
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah so I get it yeah um and then I don't know I'm like Switzerland would be interesting but I'm like I don't know how I feel about Switzerland but yeah all I've got on Switzerland oh go ahead feels like it'd be pretty yeah I'm like I've got the sound of music and uh a Vince Flynn novel in my head that took place in Switzerland.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't done much research otherwise yeah other than the photos I've seen which just gorgeous it's gorgeous yeah you got the Alps can't go wrong with the Alps well Italy you have the Italian Alps so there's that but I also am like I really do like the Mediterranean.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_03: So that's fair yeah like if if Turkey was a safe place to live which it is not but if it was I would I would move to Istanbul or Ankara that's right because you've been there.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh it's yeah it's gorgeous it's gorgeous how long were you there for two weeks oh yeah so that's time to really settle into it all yeah two weeks tootling around is great tootlin't that's such a good word tootelin toodeling how how is so is putter a thing that is only in the house in the morning and tootling is outside of the house at any time of day yeah I feel like tootling you gotta be out and about you're like the one that feels right but puttering you could putter in your yard I feel like but I don't feel like you can putter like you're not puttering at Walmart.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_02: I hope not you're probably pissing a lot of people off if you're puttering at Walmart Why are you moving so slow?
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like I'm puttering yo I'm puttering it's fine or you what you've you uh secretly spent the night in Walmart and so you wake up and you've you've just got all the Walmart products like you've got your bathrobe on and you're puttering over to the kitchen appliances section to brew some coffee and yeah yeah and I've clearly lived out a whole fantasy of yes exactly you just live there then that's what's yeah which you could probably live in a Walmart.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know that I want to live in a Walmart but no there was no wanting to except when I was probably a child like wouldn't it be so cool it'd be like a lock-in.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_03: Night at the museum except night at the museum there we go.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_03: Just got locked into the Walmart.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_02: No no that's of all places I'm like well when stuff hits the fan nearer Walmart wouldn't be or getting stuck in a Walmart isn't the worst place.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_03: All kinds of supplies when the zombie apocalypse happens yeah I don't know if you want to start in a Walmart though.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_03: No because that's gonna be where everybody's like yeah they're they're coming to get their supplies yeah yeah and zombies are there already because yeah yes yeah it doesn't that doesn't bode well no it doesn't it does not do you bode well do you try to avoid the hordes do you run into the hordes do you try to survive as long as you can I don't okay so a few years ago it was 2020 I read the first one and then whenever the second one came out I read that one I think he's coming out with the third one but Chunk Wendig's Wanderers book which is about y'all I read this book during the pandemic because I did you do that because I'm dumb I'm dumb Lauren so nothing like just heaping anxiety on anxiety it is a book about it's basically the last of us so it is a book about an AI superintelligence that develops a fungus to kill off humanity and it hand selects a group of about 30 people to save to take care of it and like start a new world order under the superintelligence yes so you talk about like all your worst fears in one in one book also also there was a political figure sort of like Donald Trump in the book as well so I was like this is great we're just gonna do it all we're gonna do it all just the book is a thousand pages long.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah it's good it's good I recommend it also did you learn anything from it um the thing that I learned was I think I would be the person that probably tries to stick it out but it depends on what the zombie apocalypse is like are we talking 28 days later style rage virus zombie apocalypse because in that case just eating I don't care if it's fungus related I am holing up somewhere and boarding the windows and don't come out like you're never gonna find me.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_03: If it's true like brains zombies like walking dead then I I don't know it probably depends on who's around and I'm like do I want to try to stick this out because there are times I'm just like it's a lot of work like living's a lot of work already.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah it's a lot of work when it's this easy like in the span of human history right now we have it so easy.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_02: I know I'm like we have so much downtime our two generations ago a generation ago didn't have this kind of downtime no yeah no and yeah we are let alone being part of the problem part of the problem is we're too comfortable so I'm like well yeah so again I think it depends are you uh are you uh what what are you what kind are you initially I thought I would totally be like I'm gonna survive this like I'm gonna band together with others and we're gonna make it through and it's gonna be great.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_02: Now I think I'd probably yeah I'd probably hide out and see like how long does that last like board up the windows.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_02: The problem is like I'm also not a prepper other than instant coffee and jasmine rice.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not I'm not gonna survive here very long.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like I could probably make it a couple weeks maybe three like with some of my camping food and stuff but even that I don't have much of that.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean I'd probably try to hang in there for a little bit and most likely I would either like my water filter would stop working and so I'd drink some sort of bad water that's been like because I would like I would gather water in tubs like in my bathtub and everything so that I'd have some water that would last me but eventually like something's gonna happen and I'm probably gonna die.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean it's just like Oregon trail dehydration dysentery like fall and break my leg or something and just Cosmo would just be like well she did and so he survives right yeah he eats me and then eventually dies next to me and then zombies come in and find us so yeah if if if exposure or dehydration doesn't get me um at that point I'm probably just like gonna welcome the zombies unless somehow they've skipped me but I doubt it and I don't have yeah I don't want to kill other humans so I'm not gonna be one of those raiders or jerk faces like that.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_02: This is this is real inspiring.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_03: What's one good thing to end on?
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_03: Because this is a super great episode that is not hella depressing.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_03: We're fine.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone's fine.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man yeah let's see um it's gonna be coffee again uh I didn't get it yet but tomorrow I'm going to get my iced coffee from crema and I think it'll be the second one of the week which is gonna make a huge difference so and I also I think I have very few meetings tomorrow so it's gonna get to be a like chill day.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I can't do meetings the way I used to it's just awful like I today was four hours back to back and by the end I was like I'm dead I can't felt like a zombie.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah so I'm looking forward to Kremla tomorrow because they still have it I'm like yes yeah well they must it's still 99 degrees outside.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah they better not mess with it what if zombies are just people that spent too much time on Zoom meetings that feels right slow staggered movements just because you have four hours and you get eyes are glazed over I got up earlier this week Ben was in here and I got up and I had like hobba I had like been sitting weird for like two hours oh no took my Adderall I was like zzz locked in getting stuff done and I like got up and then hobbled like literally hobbled and I was like oh no this is not good I almost fell over at one point I was like okay alright maybe we need to move more often perhaps yeah at least the changing position and then the stand-up sit down and yeah not so much.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_03: Well what's a good thing for you uh I'm taking a half day tomorrow so I'm doing that our day because that's gonna be great and because I also cannot do any more things this week.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yes and it's a long weekend it is yay three days three days three days so yeah it's gonna be great we get three days off and that's gonna be wonderful so yeah woo yeah amazing yep I will get crema every day this weekend I can't wait it's gonna be awesome you are single handedly funding crema yes I save all year for this this is my four month coffee marathon just as much coffee as possible it's fair that's fair it is that good it is really good yeah yeah all right well if people want to find you and what you do where can they find you on the internet?
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah so I've got a not a shiny website but it exists Lauren M Height L A U R E N M H I G H T dot com uh there you can find out about the end of life support offerings that I can connect you with and then project management and writing on creativity.
• 1:00:02
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