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Ferrari’s Mid-Engine Masterpieces: A Collector’s Journey Through Race-Bred Road Cars · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  So anyways, onward we're gonna talk about special variance.
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  And the reason I wanted to touch on this is Ferrari just dropped the 2 9 6
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  Speciale, obviously how Ferrari works in their model line up the 2, 9 6 was
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  supposed to be like a Dino type deal at entry level, at half a million dollars
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  entry level, and you had your SF 90, then you got obviously into your other, you
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  know, your V twelves and stuff like that.
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  They didn't come out with a variant in the.
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  Middle model, I guess you could say, as they've done in the past, you know?
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  So we're gonna go through that and work our way up to the 2 9 6.
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  'cause I will say it's, they did a fantastic job and I wanna say I
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  think the 2 9 6 is kind of flying under the radar regards to value
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  and excitement and enjoyment.
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  It's a great car.
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  It is wickedly fast.
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  I mean it is.
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  Awesome.
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  I got a ride in one a little while back and uh, wanted to drive
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  it, but I wasn't gonna push it.
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  But hey, I got a quick ride in it.
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  It wasn't anything crazy, but unbelievable car.
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  It's great.
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  It kind of got me on the bandwagon in those cars, but it wasn't
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  as aligned as the SF 90 is on electric and stuff like that.
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  But anyways, we'll get to that.
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  So we are going to start.
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  Out in the beginning, Ferrari making these race car road variant
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  models that a person could, can get, still buy used, what have you.
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  First one, it was a conversion kit.
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  This was for the 3 48 challenge.
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  Ferrari to kind of boost its image and kind of, you know, draw up more interest.
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  You know, they came up with the idea, let's have a one make race
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  series for our owners and what have you, and it's been very successful.
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  I will give you that.
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  And it's great racing too.
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  You got some guys that are pros in there, but majority, almost 90, 95%
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  of the guys running that are just amateurs that got a lot of money.
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  So the first variant they came out with was a 3 48 challenge.
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  It was a kit that the dealer installed for someone that wanted to.
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  Put it on and go racing.
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  Prior, the factory did some themselves as well, but there was just a kit
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  that they could buy and basically they didn't really do any motor
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  upgrades or anything like that.
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  It was more along the lines of safety equipment, reducing weight,
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  stripping stuff out, giving some race seats, everything like that,
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  fire extinguishers, that kinda stuff.
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  Front toe hook, anything like that.
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  So they really did not.
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  Do anything crazy with it.
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  It was more just to kind of lighten it up and tighten it up, go racing
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  and like you said, to could get it installed at their local dealership
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  and get it there and go racing.
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  So, but that was basically the first one.
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  Now you do see people taking notes.
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  'cause that was the one thing about it is you could revert the car back.
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  To basically road legal version, but you're not really doing all that much to
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  it, to really all also make this thing, hey, it's not street legal anymore.
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  'cause you weren't like taking the, you know, headers off or
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  doing anything crazy on this car.
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  You got people running challenge cars, driving 'em on the street.
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  You just slap the license plate on it.
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  So, I mean, there really wasn't much to that, you know, and
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  3, 4, 8 gets a lot of hate.
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  Kind of one of those odd models.
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  They took the uh, side strikes, you know, kind of copying off the test.
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  Then Luca Dilo, however you pronounce his last name, came on board during that.
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  And um, he didn't have much involvement in the 3, 4, 8, but the next one where
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  he did have the 3 5 5, which is one of my favorite Ferraris, it's a great car.
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  It's just, it's small.
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  It's got that V eight.
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  You put the right headers and pipe on it.
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  Oh my God, this, that thing sounds fantastic.
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  Kind of almost along the same lines as a 3, 4, 8.
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  There's a 3 5, 5.
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  Challenge that was built.
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  Now this was built directly from the factory because they changed
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  a lot of stuff in regards to roll cage, bucket seats, the safety
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  harness, fire extinguisher, engine cutoff, radio controls, a different
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  steering wheel, lightweight exhaust, rear wing competition, clutch.
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  They pulled the brakes from the F 40.
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  Put those brembos on there as well.
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  18 inch wheels and slick, solid suspension bushings, all that kind of stuff.
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  Change some aesthetics.
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  Perfect.
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  You know, black grill, that kind of stuff, and just lighten it
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  up and everything like that.
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  They only built about 108 of those.
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  Here's the thing, depends when you ask, there's probably over
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  300 cards that were converted.
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  People could buy the stuff and get it done themselves, but there were
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  108 that were built by the factory.
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  But like I said, there's probably over 300 of 'em out there roaming the world that
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  were just done with the conversion kit.
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  I have no idea.
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  But again, once you went that thing, that car obviously
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  racetrack only, not road legal.
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  I'm sure there are people out there that did what they had to do and
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  modified it to make it road legal.
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  You know, the things that are on there though in regards to the clutch and all
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  that kind of stuff, but make it pretty sketchy to try and drive on the street.
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  'cause probably fry the clutch in a minute.
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  Obviously you're not gonna run slicks on the street, stuff like that.
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  So.
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  It just makes for a very, very, very harsh ride if you didn't change a few things.
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  But you know, it's that cool.
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  Look, people all say, oh, it's a race car for the street.
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  You know, everyone's always going for, so there's a lot of guys out there that,
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  you know, run all those items on there.
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  They change up the grill, that kind of stuff to give it that look.
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  Now, here's the one thing though, in Europe over here as well, I'm sorry,
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  you could get the ano handling package, which gave you a little bit wider.
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  Front track, stiffer springs, thicker anti-roll bar drilled and ventilated.
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  Brakes, competition, challenge, whatever source, steering, rack,
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  challenge grills and stuff like that.
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  The Ferrari shields, you know, you got your carbon fiber insert, stuff like that.
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  So you cover seats and that's when that F1 transmission started coming in.
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  Everyone was, oh, 'cause it's the cool new thing.
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  So people are like, well I wanna get that F1 flappy paddle transmission.
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  So sadly, out of the a hundred cars that were delivered to the US market,
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  74 had that F1 paddle shift transmission with only 26 having a six speed manual.
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  Obviously the six speed manual cars are probably about $300,000.
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  Now, if it's gonna have the fear auto handle, it's a
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  rare car, rare package on it.
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  I mean, it could be more, I mean, especially if you got low miles,
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  everything like that, and colored combo, the whole nine yards.
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  Not to say you couldn't do a, a swap on the F1 tra ones that were
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  done, but I mean, then you're kind of defeating the purpose because
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  you have a limited edition model.
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  Like I said, that was a fiorano.
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  But now in Europe, you could get in the last year, three, five.
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  Five was a fiorano handling pack that says Europe only.
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  So, I mean, you could import these things.
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  Now, obviously it didn't affect all that many cars that were done 'cause
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  of last year, everything like that.
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  But, uh, Fiorano is the one you want to get, but obviously, again,
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  you go talk about the challenge.
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  You know, that was the race car.
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  So again, building these first two was along the lines.
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  Okay, it's basically making a really cool car.
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  But then they realized, hey, there's a market for a road
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  going race version of these cars.
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  People really want it.
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  'cause again, you know, majority people get these cars, they
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  drive 'em on the weekends.
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  They're not like doing cross country jaunts or anything like that, but
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  they want to have that feeling.
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  So they go out on a Sunday drive.
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  And everything like that.
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  So they saw the market and they kind of started tapping into it a bit and
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  went from there with it on the 3 55.
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  Got a little more serious spot.
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  Now the 360, the next model was a huge jump in regards to performance,
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  everything like that from the 3 55 to the 360 aesthetic wise, you know,
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  aluminum, everything like that.
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  It was a big, big jump.
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  Flappy paddle gearbox started becoming a little more prevalent
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  in regards to production numbers.
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  You wanted to get the challenge strad built by the factory going
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  out, but that was a road going car.
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  'cause this is when Ferri started doing the race series and these
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  things were race car specific.
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  They made them serious race cars.
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  It wasn't just making a couple changes to a road going version.
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  And there you go.
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  They were making hardcore race cars that by now for the Ferrari race series.
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  But what they did with the challenge to Dolly.
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  Is they tweaked, obviously, aesthetic wise, better breathing.
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  They increased the horsepower up to 425 horsepower, dropped a weight by a
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  decent amount, flappy paddle gear basket.
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  You couldn't get a manual even though you could order a 360 with the factory manual.
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  You couldn't get the challenge through all in a manual.
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  Now you could do a swap on these as well, but the gearbox, they tweaked
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  it so it's faster gear changes.
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  That was kind of the one thing about the first generations of the F1, 'cause all
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  it was, is basically hydraulic system attached to a standard manual training.
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  It, it wasn't like a dual clutch.
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  So everything like that, it wasn't really designed to do it that way.
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  They just modified the existing transmission to be able to do it
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  where you had the flappy pallets.
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  But you know the system they using, they improved it that way And, and
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  what's interesting, I haven't heard or seen many people that have taken a
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  challenge and done a manual conversion.
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  I know they're out there.
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  I know people have done it.
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  That would be my route.
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  That's what I would do.
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  I'd get the challenge, swap it, put in a manual transmission in it and have at it.
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  You know, why not?
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  I mean, you could even do is just buy a whole transmission, pull out that
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  one one and just swap that one in.
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  That would be cool.
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  But.
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  There's only about a little over a 1200 challenge modalities produced.
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  Rare, yes.
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  Rare.
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  No, I mean, it is, you know, that's quite a few cars, but you know, it's gaining
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  popularity in regards to getting, I mean, obviously the 360 is a popular car.
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  It's a great, I wanna say entry level.
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  'cause now you got the 3, 5, 5 with the manual gearbox going
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  through the roof, so to speak.
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  They're more expensive than a. 360 manual is now, which is kinda odd.
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  You think it'd be the other way around.
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  But right now in the market, that's the where things are going.
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  But in the next couple months, things could completely change 'cause of
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  the what's going on in the world.
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  And here in America, you will just leave it as that.
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  I'm not gonna get political, you know?
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  So the 360, obviously it's a great car to get into.
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  You can still work on that car yourself.
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  Majority of it, really not much.
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  You can't do yourself if you know how to turn a wrench and if you
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  can't figure somebody, look on YouTube, someone's probably done it.
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  You can get it figured out.
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  So that's what's great about those cars that they're very, I don't
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  wanna say simplistic, but you don't have computers running everything.
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  You don't have like massive amount of electronics in the car.
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  So you can still do these things yourself.
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  I mean, you can technically almost do swap yourself if you want to go into a manual.
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  I wouldn't recommend it.
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  I would spend the money, send it to a shop because you gotta get the, uh,
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  computer flashed, all that kinda stuff to understand that hey, now you, it's
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  a manual gearbox, everything like that.
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  But the challenge should all, is really kind of gaining momentum
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  out there in the marketplace.
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  People, I don't wanna say all of a sudden realizing or coming
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  that fact, but it's a great car.
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  I mean, it's a really great card.
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  I mean they sound beautiful.
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  You put, you know, pipes on that, some headers, they just scream.
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  It's an awesome, awesome card.
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  I don't wanna say inexpensive to run, but you know, you still have
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  the scenario where you got the belts.
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  You gotta pull the motor.
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  Now if you know what you're doing, you really don't have to pull the
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  whole motor out to do your belts.
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  But you know, it makes it easier 'cause.
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  Normally when you do the belts, you're gonna be a lot of other things that
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  you're gonna wanna change anyways 'cause just 'cause of wear and tear on the car.
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  So it's kind of just, you know, preventative maintenance type situation.
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  So that's what I recommend.
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  Next step up, we're gonna go into probably one of my, again, more
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  favorite models is a four 30 scud.
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  We're taking, you know, the race car variance.
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  Out of this equation.
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  'cause we're talking about the road going cars, but you know, obviously they had
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  the four 30 race cars challenged GT three, GT, you know C, all that kind of stuff.
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  Those were built specific race cars only.
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  You were not gonna change those into street cars.
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  I mean, push comes to shove.
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  I'm sure you could, but it just, it would be not fun to drive it on the street.
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  So we are talking about the road going special versions.
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  The ones that you run to kinda hunt down four 30 F1 tranny cars were more prevalent
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  in production than the six speed manuals.
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  You know, out in the marketplace, a four 30 factory manual car.
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  You know, it's kinda hard to save value wise 'cause people are asking stupid
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  numbers but they're not getting 'em.
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  I've seen several cars that have been sitting for months, months at a dealership
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  'cause they're just asking stupid money.
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  And they're slowly coming down.
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  There's one sitting out there that's yellow block.
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  It's got high, higher miles.
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  It's almost 50,000 miles on the car, and I think they've
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  had this car for over a year.
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  Now they're down at like two 30, I think now 230,000, something like
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  that, which isn't too bad, but I mean, I think that's maybe 175,000 car with
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  that mileage, everything like that.
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  It is a factor, male.
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  It is a. Factory, yellow car.
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  Some of these dealers, there's another one up there in Northeast that, you
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  know, he gets his hands on quite a few, but he was asking half a mill for
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  some of these and he's had 'em forever.
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  So, factory manual cars are stupidly expensive, or I should say
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  stupidly priced out in the market.
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  Now, not to say that's what they're going for.
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  Again, market adjustments.
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  But the problem is you got a dealer, he's got X dollars into it.
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  He's not gonna take a loss, so he'll just sit on the car.
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  'cause at some point in time it'll come back to them.
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  Dollar wise, in regards to value, you know what you can
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  sell it for, but you never know.
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  So, but anyways, we are talking about a four 30 scud.
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  This car is probably.
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  Next to the one we're gonna talk about next in the 4, 5, 8 speciality.
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  The four 30 scud is a fabulous, fabulous car.
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  Again, it is.
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  Got the flat paddle transmission on it, but they've got this thing dialed in.
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  It's kind of that point.
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  It's like, yeah, I know people have swapped in a six speed manual
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  into a scud, and it's been awesome.
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  It's probably what I would do be I'd buy a higher mileage, one swap in the manual.
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  Have some fun.
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  Everything about the car's tightened up.
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  They've done some fantastic things with just everything.
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  Increase the horsepower or do some weight.
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  It's just a fabulous, fabulous car if you ever get the opportunity to
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  drive on, I highly recommended it.
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  It's fantastic.
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  Can't talk much about it now, and here's what we get into now.
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  All of a sudden, they also do you have the the 16 m. That the four 30 could get in.
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  And that was basically just the convertible version of the scud.
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  So that was kind of a new variant in regards to coming out with these road
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  going race car variants of the car.
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  So now all of a sudden you could get a convertible because there's demand.
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  There was the demand for it.
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  So they got 'em out there and they built a few of 'em.
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  Those things are crazy money out in the market 'cause they
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  are just a very, very rare car.
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  They only did about 500 of 'em were built.
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  Getting your hands on one, you're probably in the.
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  Oh, God, I don't know.
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  I, I hate to put a number on it.
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  Three quarter of a mill, easily, 500 to three quarter of a million, depending on
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  options, colors, everything like that.
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  I mean, they're not cheap, but that four 30 scud is a, it's an awesome car.
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  It is an awesome car.
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  My garage, I love to have, I would do a 3 5 5 factory manual.
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  I would do a four 30 factory man within a four 30 scud.
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  With the manual swap, something along those lines or kind of vice versa.
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  I know, I, I don't know.
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  I do something along those lines with the four 30.
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  I definitely have a four 30 and the stable, and then a, the next car
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  we're talk about a 4, 5, 8 speciale.
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  The, I, I think those would be the three that pop in there.
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  Well, William, I mean those are all just, you know, eight selling the cars.
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  I mean, how different are, they're very, very different cars.
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  Totally different driving experiences between them.
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  You know, it's just a great car.
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  But the four 30 scud.
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  You could drive that car, you know, a lot.
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  You could almost say daily.
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  It pretty much you could, you know, but it's a great, great car.
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  I mean, again, if you ever get the opportunity to drive
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  one, definitely take it.
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  Even if you just puts it around and you can't go more than 30 miles an hour.
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  It's a great car.
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  I mean, it's just, it's obviously the pinnacle of the four 30 production.
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  Borrowing all the the 16 M as well.
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  But I mean it's just, it's a great car.
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  If you had really deep pockets, you get two scuds, one you keep with the
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  flappy paddle and another one you do a manual swap on it and have some fun.
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  Now I know old Freddy VARs down there, he took the reco and had it with the scud.
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  He put that six speed man, and he absolutely loves it.
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  He did a knockout job with that.
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  That's fantastic.
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  I wanna give a shout out if you are looking to get
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  that done for a manual swap.
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  I know everyone says E-A-G-A-G, you know?
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  Yeah.
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  They make the opponents, but there's a couple other entities out there
• 17:00
  that also make the kit and talk to the guys at Ray Hall Performance.
• 17:04
  They're getting into that.
• 17:05
  I know when, uh, I visited them last year and did a tour.
• 17:09
  Everything like that, they are getting into doing that.
• 17:12
  I would highly recommend, especially if we're in this area, you know, EA G's
• 17:15
  backed up, but hey, I mean, like I said, there's other places you can do it, but.
• 17:18
  I would definitely give the guys at Ray Hall Performance a shout out.
• 17:21
  If you're looking at wanting a manual swap done on any of your Ferraris,
• 17:24
  they would be a great shop to go.
• 17:26
  Now, the next one that everyone is talking about that is just going for crazy
• 17:32
  dollars and everyone's opinion is the last great mid engine Ferrari, naturally
• 17:38
  aspirated Ferrari into 4, 5, 8 Speciale.
• 17:40
  The apparent version of it as well.
• 17:42
  Normal aspirated V eight screamed, and this thing sounds so good.
• 17:47
  You put the right, especially headers and pipes on this thing.
• 17:50
  Oh my God.
• 17:50
  And they're just going up in value, you know, they're just fantastic cars.
• 17:55
  Again, this is, if you ever have the opportunity to drive a 4, 5, 8 especially,
• 17:58
  I'll definitely do it because you're like, oh my God, this car's spectacular.
• 18:01
  It is basically the four 30, obviously new body that, but it's just so refined.
• 18:06
  It's, I mean, they just nailed it with that car.
• 18:09
  Absolutely spectacular.
• 18:11
  If you only get one.
• 18:12
  I would recommend, depending on your bank account, I'm a manual guy, so it's
• 18:17
  like, you know that 4, 5, 8 Speciale is just a very, very special car.
• 18:22
  Yeah.
• 18:23
  So again, they tighten everything up, more horsepower, a little more torque, flappy
• 18:27
  pallet transmission, just unbelievable.
• 18:29
  Zero to 60 and under three seconds.
• 18:31
  It's just got everything.
• 18:32
  And again, it's a comfort of car that you could drive that thing across country.
• 18:35
  You know, you could daily that car, do everything that,
• 18:37
  I mean, it's just awesome.
• 18:38
  Awesome car they.
• 18:40
  Really got everything put together.
• 18:42
  You know, before they had to switch over to what we're talking about next.
• 18:46
  You know, going into the turbos and stuff like that, 'cause of
• 18:48
  emissions and everything like that.
• 18:49
  It was just something that they had to do.
• 18:51
  Hands were tied in regards to, you know, environmental
• 18:53
  regulations and stuff like that.
• 18:55
  So it sucks, but it is what it is.
• 18:57
  So, 'cause we go into the next model, the 4 88 p stop.
• 19:01
  This is actually starting to gain in the marketplace in regards to
• 19:05
  value, obviously go turbocharge.
• 19:08
  The cars are gorgeous looking, there's no doubt about that.
• 19:10
  Got that scoop in the front, gorgeous, gorgeous car.
• 19:13
  They also made a convertible version of the 4 8 8 P stuff.
• 19:16
  They borrowed a lot of stuff from the challenge.
• 19:18
  Increased the horsepower to 720 horsepower, seven 10, depending
• 19:22
  on how you look at the numbers.
• 19:23
  But anyways, this was definitely heavy, heavy influence from the challenge
• 19:27
  race car versions of this car.
• 19:29
  That's where the one, the scoop in the front comes on.
• 19:31
  I driven four eight, but I've never driven a pizza.
• 19:33
  Great car.
• 19:34
  I mean, it's gorgeous looking.
• 19:35
  And again, these are starting to gain value in the marketplace.
• 19:39
  It's still a good value right now because it's kind of overlooked.
• 19:42
  'cause everyone's going after the 4, 5, 8, especially out, you know, this
• 19:45
  is one, if you're looking to have a car, you wanna keep it long term.
• 19:47
  Obviously you can jump into 4, 5, 8, especially out, that's,
• 19:50
  that'd be a great buy for it.
• 19:51
  'cause that's just gonna gain a value no matter what.
• 19:53
  And I think it'll gain faster than the four eight.
• 19:55
  Well.
• 19:56
  You got good solid money on a 4 8 8 pizza.
• 19:58
  I think it's one of those ones.
• 19:59
  Obviously you're gonna have your yearly maintenance costs, but I think it's
• 20:03
  one where if you bought it now and in five years you sold it from what you
• 20:07
  paid for it, minus obviously you have your maintenance costs and running
• 20:10
  costs throughout those five years.
• 20:12
  So, I mean that's money.
• 20:13
  Just, hey, that's gone because hey, it is price of admission, so to speak.
• 20:16
  I think you will get it back, which paid for it, if not even making
• 20:19
  some money and on where things go.
• 20:21
  So beautiful, beautiful car, you know, really leaning heavily on the
• 20:26
  race cars, pulling stuff from that.
• 20:28
  And then, you know, we get into the next model, which is the F eight tribu.
• 20:32
  It has the same engine on the four 80 p stuff.
• 20:35
  Bodies tweaked, obviously tickled with the flappy paddle gearbox.
• 20:39
  It's got a lot more hor, you know, not a lot more, but you know,
• 20:42
  it is got a bit more horsepower.
• 20:45
  It got the latest side slip, angle control stuff, you know, all the electronic
• 20:48
  nanny aids and all this kind of stuff.
• 20:50
  You know, it's, it is a great looking car.
• 20:52
  F eights are kind of flying under the radar too.
• 20:55
  I think it's a great car.
• 20:57
  Especially, you know, they came out with the SF 90, I think the SF 90.
• 21:00
  Really people are losing their ass on that car.
• 21:03
  Hundreds of thousands of dollars spending all this money.
• 21:06
  'cause they had to, you know, buy that to and other things to be able to
• 21:09
  get in line to buy something special.
• 21:10
  So I think these earlier cars are really gaining more value in people
• 21:15
  wanting to get their hands on them.
• 21:17
  The F eight tribu again, I think you'd have to go out and look at the
• 21:20
  numbers, but you know, obviously I think you're gonna get a 4 8, 8 piece
• 21:24
  there before you get an F eight maybe.
• 21:26
  You know, looking at the car itself, I think the 4 8 8 piece has
• 21:29
  got a more aggressive look to it.
• 21:30
  I think it looks better now.
• 21:33
  We are gonna go into what.
• 21:34
  Ferrari just came out with, and that is a 2 9 6 Speciale.
• 21:39
  I wanna say they did a hell of a job with this.
• 21:41
  Here's the one thing on these cars, obviously, you know, they have
• 21:44
  race car for the race series and for the endurance race and stuff
• 21:47
  like that, they went down to 2 9 6.
• 21:49
  So that's a car that's race.
• 21:50
  So it makes sense is what you want.
• 21:51
  But again.
• 21:52
  It's supposed to be the entry level, but you know, you get in the specialty
• 21:55
  and be, you know, and especially when we tack on everything, the whole nine yards.
• 21:58
  It, it, it's a great looking car.
• 22:00
  People have been driving since, it's unbelievable.
• 22:02
  It's got over 800 horsepower from that V six rear wheel drive, so, you know,
• 22:06
  not four wheel drive, so you don't have all this added weight in the front.
• 22:09
  And the settle fi Ronald package, which I'm sure everybody will tick off
• 22:14
  on the order box, is over 40 grand.
• 22:16
  You know, you wanna carbon front wheels another 34 grand.
• 22:18
  I mean, these things are not cheap.
• 22:20
  What you are getting out of this in regards to a V six A horsepower,
• 22:24
  everything like that, it's unbelievable.
• 22:26
  You know, shaving some weight and obviously it's sold out.
• 22:28
  That's no brainer there.
• 22:30
  They did a really, really good job.
• 22:31
  But again, you know, what they started doing more along the lines is, you
• 22:34
  know, they made it more obviously.
• 22:36
  A road variant as compared to, you know, how they did it in the past,
• 22:41
  you know, like they deal with the SF 90 xx, you know, all the XX
• 22:45
  cars prior were just track only.
• 22:46
  Now they made that, you know, you can drive down the road, but you know,
• 22:49
  these cars are getting priced just obscenely, but they're sell out.
• 22:53
  People are buying them.
• 22:53
  I like that.
• 22:54
  It, this is a great car is, like I said, you're not really dealing
• 22:57
  with a lot of the stumped SF 90 has.
• 23:00
  It's not bloated.
• 23:01
  I would love to be able to get my hands on one of these and drive
• 23:03
  it just to feel what it's like.
• 23:05
  It's getting very good accolades.
• 23:06
  It's like this is what the SF 90 should have been.
• 23:09
  So it'd be interesting to see, 'cause obviously the SF ninety's not being,
• 23:12
  they're not producing anymore, right?
• 23:14
  I dunno.
• 23:14
  I've heard different things.
• 23:15
  They are, they're not, whatever.
• 23:16
  I don't know.
• 23:16
  It's just, I'm not a fan at all of the SF 90, so I really don't follow it.
• 23:20
  Not my, my niche.
• 23:22
  But anyways, like I said, this 2 9 6 is gorgeous.
• 23:25
  I can't wait to see one.
• 23:25
  He is in person.
• 23:26
  It's an absolute beautiful car.
• 23:28
  That's your little walk down history there with the uh, V eight mid-engine
• 23:32
  special version cars that Ferrari's put out throughout the years.
• 23:36
  Some really, really special cars they've created.
• 23:38
  Like I said, in my mind, the 4, 5 8 Speciale would be at the top of the list.
• 23:44
  Then you're gonna go to the four 30 scud and then after that, well,
• 23:47
  I'm a fan of the 3 5 5, so I would go after 3 5, 5 somehow some way
• 23:51
  obviously, because that's manual.
• 23:53
  Straight out.
• 23:54
  The 360 child.
• 23:55
  He is supposed to be great, but.
• 23:56
  If I'm gonna have get a four 30 scud, why would I do that?
• 23:59
  You know, the only thing I'd have for is to swap in a manual into it.
• 24:02
  So it was like if I was able to get those other, I'd buy the 360 channel, try and
• 24:05
  swap, put the manual on it, and keep the floppy paddle gearbox in the scud,
• 24:08
  maybe, I don't know, wish, wish, wish, right, but then going down to there,
• 24:12
  it's kind of a mixed bag in regards to the 3, 4, 8 would definitely be last.
• 24:15
  You know, I'm not a hater on that car, but you know, there's
• 24:18
  a lot of things wrong with it.
• 24:19
  It's a very finicky car.
• 24:21
  It can get very expensive to keep going.
• 24:23
  You know that 4 8, 8 pizza, that's a stunning car that's up there as well.
• 24:28
  But as you get into those cars, you know, I don't know how so much on
• 24:31
  the 4, 5, 8, how much that could really work on yourself, but I
• 24:33
  think to a little bit of an extent.
• 24:35
  But once you start getting past that with the, so you're getting to a realm where.
• 24:39
  The only way you're going to get service on it is take it to a dealer or someone,
• 24:42
  a mechanic that knows what they're doing, paying through the nose or hourly rate,
• 24:46
  but you know, it's price of admission.
• 24:48
  So you gotta take what you can get.
• 24:49
  But that's, that's, I like about the four 30 especially as well as,
• 24:52
  you know, that four 30 and 360.
• 24:54
  As well in three five.
• 24:55
  Five is you can do a lot of the work yourself on that.
• 24:58
  I'm wanna say they're simple cars, but you know, they're very straightforward.
• 25:00
  There's not much to craziness to it.
• 25:02
  So that's my take on it.
• 25:04
  Again, if you have any questions, thoughts, correct me on anything.
• 25:08
  You know, I'm a human, I don't get everything right.
• 25:10
  Shoot me an email atWilliam@theferrarimarketplace.com.
• 25:13
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• 25:14
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• 25:17
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• 25:23
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• 25:25
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