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Wowsabout's Halle Stanford on Puppets, the Science of Awe, and Making Kids TV Without a Traditional Commissioning Deal · Kids Media Club Podcast

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  Hello
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  welcome
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  to
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  another
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  episode
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  the
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  Podcast.
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  I
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  am
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  Andy
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  Williams.
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  I'm
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  Jo
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  Redfern.
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  And
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  who
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  have
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  we
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  got
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  joining
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  us
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  today?
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  Emily.
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  Hey
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  guys.
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  I
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  am
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  very
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  excited
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  today
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  because
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  we're
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  talking
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  to
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  Halle
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  Stanford.
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  Hallie,
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  you're
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  very
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  welcome
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  to
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  the
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  show.
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  Would
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  mind
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  introducing
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  Hello,
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  I'm
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  Hallie
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  Stanford.
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  Been
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  working
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  in
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  for
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  almost
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  Thirty
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  had
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  the
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  privilege
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  tell
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  How
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  do
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  you.
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  How
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  do
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  you
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  it
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  a
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  a
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  And,
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  I
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  mean,
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  puppets
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  genius
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  there's
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  no
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  way
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  to
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  awe
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  us
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  then
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  how
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  that
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  into
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• 3:45
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• 3:45
  kid?
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• 3:46
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• 3:47
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  I
• 4:20
  was.
• 4:20
  I
• 4:20
  was.
• 4:21
  I
• 4:21
  was
• 4:21
  a
• 4:21
  pony
• 4:21
  girl,
• 4:22
  right.
• 4:22
  Like,
• 4:22
  I
• 4:22
  was
• 4:22
  into.
• 4:23
  Into
• 4:23
  horses
• 4:24
  and
• 4:24
  their
• 4:25
  majesty
• 4:25
  and
• 4:26
  their
• 4:26
  beauty
• 4:26
  and
• 4:26
  their
• 4:27
  personalities
• 4:27
  as
• 4:28
  well.
• 4:29
  But
• 4:29
  I
• 4:29
  also
• 4:29
  find
• 4:29
  that
• 4:29
  like.
• 4:30
  Like,
• 4:30
  I
• 4:31
  live.
• 4:31
  I
• 4:31
  live
• 4:31
  in
• 4:31
  Dublin,
• 4:32
  right.
• 4:32
  And,
• 4:33
  you
• 4:33
  know,
• 4:33
  we've
• 4:33
  got
• 4:34
  the
• 4:34
  mountains,
• 4:34
  we've
• 4:34
  got
• 4:34
  the.
• 4:35
  We've
• 4:35
  got
• 4:35
  the
• 4:35
  sea.
• 4:35
  Maybe
• 4:36
  it's
• 4:36
  not
• 4:36
  quite
• 4:36
  LA
• 4:36
  standard,
• 4:37
  but
• 4:37
  it's.
• 4:37
  It
• 4:38
  is
• 4:38
  really
• 4:38
  beautiful.
• 4:40
  And
• 4:41
  that
• 4:41
  is
• 4:41
  something
• 4:41
  I
• 4:41
  loved
• 4:41
  when
• 4:41
  I
• 4:42
  was
• 4:42
  a
• 4:42
  kid.
• 4:42
  It's
• 4:42
  something.
• 4:42
  When
• 4:43
  I
• 4:43
  returned
• 4:43
  to
• 4:43
  Dublin
• 4:44
  from
• 4:44
  London
• 4:44
  is
• 4:44
  something
• 4:44
  that,
• 4:45
  yeah,
• 4:46
  just
• 4:46
  gives
• 4:46
  me
• 4:46
  sp.
• 4:47
  Gives
• 4:47
  me
• 4:47
  space
• 4:47
  in
• 4:48
  my
• 4:48
  mind.
• 4:49
  Yeah.
• 4:50
  I
• 4:50
  think.
• 4:51
  I
• 4:51
  think
• 4:51
  for
• 4:51
  me,
• 4:52
  it
• 4:52
  was
• 4:52
  probably.
• 4:52
  I.
• 4:53
  I
• 4:53
  was
• 4:53
  kind
• 4:54
  of
• 4:54
  raised
• 4:54
  in
• 4:54
  Brazil
• 4:55
  at
• 4:55
  a
• 4:55
  very
• 4:55
  young
• 4:56
  age,
• 4:56
  and
• 4:56
  then
• 4:56
  we
• 4:57
  ended
• 4:57
  up
• 4:57
  flying
• 4:58
  back
• 4:58
  to
• 4:58
  the
• 4:58
  uk
• 4:59
  and
• 4:59
  I
• 4:59
  think
• 4:59
  the
• 5:00
  idea
• 5:00
  of
• 5:00
  just
• 5:01
  being
• 5:01
  Able
• 5:01
  to
• 5:01
  get
• 5:01
  on
• 5:02
  a
• 5:02
  plane
• 5:02
  and
• 5:02
  go
• 5:03
  somewhere
• 5:03
  completely
• 5:04
  different
• 5:05
  was
• 5:05
  quite
• 5:05
  awe
• 5:05
  inspiring.
• 5:07
  Yeah.
• 5:07
  We
• 5:07
  swap
• 5:08
  Brazil
• 5:08
  for
• 5:08
  Ben
• 5:08
  Fleet,
• 5:09
  which
• 5:09
  if
• 5:09
  you
• 5:09
  know
• 5:09
  Ben
• 5:10
  Fleet,
• 5:12
  I'm
• 5:12
  not
• 5:12
  sure.
• 5:12
  I'm
• 5:13
  not
• 5:13
  sure
• 5:13
  if
• 5:13
  what
• 5:13
  the
• 5:13
  trade
• 5:14
  off
• 5:14
  was,
• 5:14
  like,
• 5:14
  really
• 5:16
  may
• 5:16
  not
• 5:16
  have.
• 5:16
  Been
• 5:16
  awe
• 5:17
  when
• 5:17
  you
• 5:17
  got
• 5:17
  there.
• 5:17
  No,
• 5:18
  I'm
• 5:18
  sure.
• 5:18
  Yeah.
• 5:19
  No,
• 5:19
  that
• 5:20
  could
• 5:20
  be
• 5:20
  fair.
• 5:20
  No.
• 5:20
  Thanks
• 5:21
  to
• 5:21
  Beverly.
• 5:22
  I
• 5:22
  love
• 5:23
  hearing.
• 5:23
  So
• 5:23
  you
• 5:24
  can
• 5:24
  see
• 5:24
  that
• 5:24
  awe
• 5:25
  is,
• 5:25
  like,
• 5:26
  so
• 5:26
  varied,
• 5:26
  Right.
• 5:27
  In
• 5:27
  all
• 5:27
  of
• 5:27
  your
• 5:28
  experiences
• 5:28
  and
• 5:28
  how
• 5:28
  it
• 5:29
  inspired
• 5:29
  all
• 5:29
  of
• 5:29
  you
• 5:29
  and
• 5:30
  continues
• 5:30
  to,
• 5:30
  like,
• 5:31
  kind
• 5:31
  of,
• 5:31
  you
• 5:31
  know,
• 5:32
  as
• 5:33
  Emily
• 5:33
  said,
• 5:33
  like,
• 5:33
  goes
• 5:34
  to
• 5:34
  her
• 5:34
  safe
• 5:34
  space
• 5:35
  when
• 5:35
  she's
• 5:36
  still.
• 5:37
  Still
• 5:37
  accessing
• 5:38
  it.
• 5:38
  And
• 5:38
  so,
• 5:39
  you
• 5:39
  know,
• 5:40
  the
• 5:40
  thing
• 5:40
  about
• 5:41
  awe
• 5:41
  is
• 5:41
  that
• 5:42
  it
• 5:42
  has
• 5:42
  so
• 5:42
  many
• 5:42
  benefits,
• 5:44
  but
• 5:44
  it
• 5:44
  is
• 5:44
  that
• 5:45
  feeling
• 5:45
  that
• 5:45
  makes
• 5:45
  you
• 5:46
  feel
• 5:46
  small,
• 5:46
  but
• 5:46
  a
• 5:47
  part
• 5:47
  of
• 5:47
  something
• 5:47
  bigger,
• 5:48
  which
• 5:48
  is
• 5:48
  wonderful,
• 5:50
  but
• 5:51
  it
• 5:51
  does
• 5:51
  all
• 5:51
  these
• 5:51
  scientific
• 5:52
  things.
• 5:52
  And
• 5:52
  I'll
• 5:52
  tell
• 5:53
  you
• 5:53
  more
• 5:53
  about
• 5:53
  it,
• 5:53
  you
• 5:53
  know,
• 5:54
  because
• 5:54
  I
• 5:54
  know
• 5:54
  you
• 5:54
  want
• 5:54
  to
• 5:54
  talk
• 5:55
  about
• 5:55
  the
• 5:55
  process
• 5:55
  and
• 5:55
  how
• 5:56
  I
• 5:56
  arrived
• 5:56
  there,
• 5:56
  but,
• 5:56
  you
• 5:57
  know,
• 5:57
  I
• 5:57
  just
• 5:57
  love
• 5:58
  that
• 5:58
  it
• 5:58
  makes
• 5:58
  you
• 5:58
  want
• 5:58
  to
• 5:59
  be
• 5:59
  more
• 5:59
  generous,
• 6:00
  more
• 6:00
  connected
• 6:00
  to
• 6:00
  the
• 6:01
  world.
• 6:01
  It
• 6:01
  makes
• 6:02
  you
• 6:02
  feel
• 6:02
  less
• 6:02
  polarized.
• 6:04
  So
• 6:04
  conflict
• 6:05
  becomes
• 6:05
  sort
• 6:05
  of,
• 6:06
  like,
• 6:06
  dissipates.
• 6:07
  And
• 6:08
  kids
• 6:08
  recognize
• 6:09
  awe
• 6:09
  all
• 6:09
  the
• 6:09
  time.
• 6:10
  They
• 6:10
  can
• 6:10
  name
• 6:10
  it.
• 6:11
  They're
• 6:11
  in
• 6:11
  that
• 6:11
  awe
• 6:12
  state,
• 6:13
  and
• 6:13
  it's
• 6:13
  just
• 6:13
  wonderful.
• 6:14
  So
• 6:14
  I'll
• 6:14
  tell
• 6:14
  you
• 6:15
  how
• 6:15
  I
• 6:15
  came
• 6:15
  up
• 6:15
  with
• 6:15
  it.
• 6:16
  It
• 6:16
  really
• 6:16
  came
• 6:16
  from.
• 6:17
  So
• 6:18
  it's
• 6:18
  not
• 6:18
  just
• 6:18
  a
• 6:18
  theme.
• 6:19
  It's
• 6:19
  like
• 6:19
  the
• 6:19
  DNA
• 6:20
  of
• 6:20
  the
• 6:20
  show.
• 6:20
  Right.
• 6:21
  It's
• 6:21
  how
• 6:21
  I
• 6:21
  built
• 6:21
  up
• 6:22
  the
• 6:22
  whole
• 6:22
  show.
• 6:23
  But
• 6:23
  one
• 6:24
  of
• 6:24
  the
• 6:24
  things
• 6:24
  that
• 6:25
  I
• 6:25
  do
• 6:25
  when
• 6:25
  I
• 6:25
  think
• 6:25
  about
• 6:26
  preschool
• 6:26
  programming
• 6:27
  is
• 6:28
  I
• 6:29
  think
• 6:29
  about
• 6:29
  what
• 6:30
  the
• 6:30
  modern
• 6:30
  child
• 6:31
  needs
• 6:31
  to
• 6:31
  thrive
• 6:32
  and
• 6:32
  their
• 6:32
  parents.
• 6:34
  So
• 6:34
  I
• 6:34
  kind
• 6:34
  of
• 6:34
  start
• 6:35
  there,
• 6:35
  and
• 6:36
  I
• 6:36
  also
• 6:36
  start
• 6:36
  with
• 6:36
  first
• 6:37
  friends.
• 6:37
  I
• 6:37
  think
• 6:37
  that
• 6:38
  preschoolers,
• 6:39
  you
• 6:39
  have
• 6:39
  to
• 6:39
  create
• 6:39
  the
• 6:40
  best
• 6:40
  characters
• 6:40
  of
• 6:40
  all
• 6:41
  to
• 6:41
  play
• 6:41
  with.
• 6:42
  So
• 6:42
  I
• 6:43
  was
• 6:43
  really
• 6:43
  thinking
• 6:44
  during
• 6:44
  the
• 6:44
  pandemic,
• 6:45
  I
• 6:45
  was
• 6:45
  listening
• 6:46
  to
• 6:46
  a
• 6:46
  lot
• 6:46
  of
• 6:48
  panels,
• 6:48
  podcasts
• 6:49
  from
• 6:49
  scientists,
• 6:50
  parents,
• 6:50
  and
• 6:51
  I
• 6:51
  was
• 6:51
  listening
• 6:51
  to
• 6:51
  one
• 6:51
  on
• 6:52
  climate
• 6:52
  hope.
• 6:53
  And
• 6:54
  it
• 6:54
  was
• 6:54
  apparent
• 6:55
  that
• 6:55
  what
• 6:56
  parents
• 6:56
  needed
• 6:57
  desperately
• 6:57
  was
• 6:58
  some
• 6:58
  climate
• 6:58
  hope
• 7:00
  and
• 7:00
  how
• 7:01
  to
• 7:01
  talk
• 7:01
  to
• 7:01
  their
• 7:01
  kids
• 7:01
  about
• 7:02
  it.
• 7:02
  And
• 7:02
  so
• 7:02
  I
• 7:02
  was
• 7:02
  thinking,
• 7:03
  wow,
• 7:04
  how
• 7:04
  can
• 7:05
  we
• 7:05
  create
• 7:05
  a
• 7:05
  show
• 7:05
  that
• 7:05
  inspires
• 7:06
  kids
• 7:06
  to
• 7:06
  care
• 7:06
  for
• 7:06
  the
• 7:07
  planet,
• 7:07
  but
• 7:07
  also
• 7:08
  each
• 7:08
  other?
• 7:09
  So
• 7:09
  that
• 7:10
  was
• 7:10
  kind
• 7:10
  of
• 7:10
  in
• 7:10
  the
• 7:10
  back
• 7:10
  of
• 7:11
  my
• 7:11
  mind
• 7:12
  just
• 7:12
  to
• 7:12
  put
• 7:12
  that
• 7:12
  out
• 7:13
  there
• 7:13
  to
• 7:13
  you.
• 7:14
  And
• 7:14
  then
• 7:15
  I
• 7:16
  was
• 7:16
  inspired,
• 7:17
  driving
• 7:17
  through
• 7:17
  the
• 7:18
  Topanga
• 7:18
  Canyon.
• 7:19
  It's
• 7:19
  so
• 7:19
  beautiful.
• 7:20
  Hopefully
• 7:21
  one
• 7:21
  day
• 7:21
  you'll
• 7:21
  all
• 7:21
  get
• 7:21
  to
• 7:21
  drive
• 7:22
  through
• 7:22
  it.
• 7:22
  And.
• 7:23
  And
• 7:23
  I
• 7:23
  suddenly
• 7:23
  had
• 7:23
  the
• 7:24
  idea.
• 7:24
  I'm
• 7:24
  like,
• 7:24
  I
• 7:24
  got
• 7:25
  it.
• 7:25
  It's
• 7:25
  a
• 7:26
  little
• 7:26
  hedgehog
• 7:27
  in
• 7:27
  pink
• 7:27
  hiking
• 7:27
  boots
• 7:28
  with
• 7:28
  a
• 7:28
  guitar
• 7:29
  on
• 7:29
  her
• 7:29
  back.
• 7:29
  I
• 7:29
  Think
• 7:29
  I
• 7:30
  was
• 7:30
  listening
• 7:30
  to
• 7:30
  Dolly
• 7:30
  Parton
• 7:31
  and
• 7:32
  she
• 7:32
  is
• 7:32
  out
• 7:32
  to
• 7:32
  see
• 7:32
  the
• 7:33
  wows
• 7:33
  of
• 7:33
  the
• 7:33
  world.
• 7:34
  She's
• 7:35
  out
• 7:35
  there
• 7:35
  like
• 7:35
  little
• 7:36
  kids
• 7:36
  just
• 7:36
  exploring.
• 7:37
  So
• 7:37
  that
• 7:37
  idea
• 7:38
  stuck
• 7:38
  around
• 7:38
  in
• 7:39
  my
• 7:39
  head
• 7:39
  and
• 7:39
  I
• 7:39
  was
• 7:39
  like,
• 7:39
  I've
• 7:40
  got
• 7:40
  the
• 7:40
  first
• 7:40
  friend.
• 7:41
  But
• 7:42
  the
• 7:42
  most
• 7:42
  amazing
• 7:43
  thing
• 7:43
  happened.
• 7:43
  I
• 7:44
  came
• 7:45
  home
• 7:45
  and
• 7:46
  there
• 7:46
  was
• 7:46
  an
• 7:46
  article
• 7:47
  in
• 7:47
  the
• 7:47
  New
• 7:47
  York
• 7:47
  Times
• 7:48
  about
• 7:48
  Dacher
• 7:49
  Keltner's
• 7:50
  new
• 7:50
  book,
• 7:51
  Awe,
• 7:52
  that
• 7:53
  was
• 7:54
  based
• 7:54
  on
• 7:54
  15
• 7:54
  years
• 7:55
  of
• 7:55
  research.
• 7:56
  And
• 7:57
  basically
• 7:57
  when
• 7:57
  I
• 7:57
  was
• 7:58
  reading
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  article,
• 7:58
  it
• 7:59
  was
• 7:59
  all
• 7:59
  about
• 7:59
  how
• 8:00
  science
• 8:00
  confirmed
• 8:01
  that
• 8:01
  awe
• 8:02
  is
• 8:02
  the
• 8:02
  thing
• 8:03
  that
• 8:03
  will
• 8:03
  connect
• 8:04
  us
• 8:04
  to
• 8:05
  the
• 8:05
  planet
• 8:05
  and
• 8:05
  one
• 8:06
  another.
• 8:06
  I
• 8:06
  was
• 8:06
  like,
• 8:07
  oh,
• 8:07
  my
• 8:07
  gosh,
• 8:07
  this
• 8:07
  is
• 8:07
  exactly
• 8:08
  what
• 8:08
  I'm
• 8:08
  looking
• 8:08
  for.
• 8:09
  So
• 8:10
  it
• 8:10
  was
• 8:10
  there.
• 8:10
  So
• 8:11
  bringing
• 8:11
  it
• 8:11
  together
• 8:14
  is
• 8:14
  what
• 8:14
  I
• 8:14
  knew
• 8:15
  would
• 8:16
  help
• 8:16
  build
• 8:16
  something
• 8:17
  that
• 8:17
  felt
• 8:17
  fresh
• 8:18
  and
• 8:19
  relevant
• 8:20
  and
• 8:20
  timely.
• 8:20
  I
• 8:21
  mean,
• 8:21
  we
• 8:21
  were
• 8:21
  ahead
• 8:21
  of
• 8:22
  the
• 8:22
  game,
• 8:22
  you
• 8:22
  know,
• 8:22
  like
• 8:22
  awe.
• 8:23
  Now
• 8:23
  you
• 8:23
  can
• 8:23
  see
• 8:23
  there's
• 8:24
  this
• 8:24
  big
• 8:24
  awe
• 8:24
  movement.
• 8:25
  Like,
• 8:25
  awe
• 8:25
  is
• 8:25
  on
• 8:26
  the
• 8:26
  tips
• 8:26
  of,
• 8:26
  you
• 8:26
  know,
• 8:27
  all
• 8:27
  teachers
• 8:28
  tongues.
• 8:28
  Jonathan
• 8:28
  Haidt
• 8:29
  cites
• 8:29
  it
• 8:29
  in
• 8:30
  his
• 8:30
  studies
• 8:30
  as
• 8:31
  the
• 8:31
  solution
• 8:32
  for
• 8:32
  the
• 8:32
  screen
• 8:32
  addicted
• 8:33
  generation.
• 8:34
  But
• 8:34
  at
• 8:34
  that
• 8:34
  time,
• 8:35
  his
• 8:35
  book
• 8:35
  had
• 8:35
  just
• 8:36
  come
• 8:36
  out,
• 8:37
  so
• 8:37
  it
• 8:37
  was
• 8:37
  very
• 8:37
  unfamiliar
• 8:38
  to
• 8:38
  everyone.
• 8:38
  But
• 8:39
  it
• 8:39
  just
• 8:39
  resonated
• 8:40
  so
• 8:40
  strongly.
• 8:41
  And
• 8:41
  the
• 8:41
  deeper
• 8:42
  that
• 8:42
  I
• 8:42
  got
• 8:42
  into
• 8:43
  it,
• 8:43
  the
• 8:44
  more
• 8:44
  I
• 8:44
  knew
• 8:45
  that
• 8:45
  this
• 8:45
  was
• 8:45
  the
• 8:46
  curriculum,
• 8:46
  that
• 8:47
  we
• 8:47
  could
• 8:47
  build
• 8:48
  a
• 8:48
  bigger
• 8:49
  series
• 8:49
  from
• 8:49
  the
• 8:49
  characters,
• 8:50
  the
• 8:50
  story
• 8:50
  engine,
• 8:52
  the
• 8:52
  plot.
• 8:53
  And
• 8:53
  I'll
• 8:53
  just
• 8:53
  stop
• 8:53
  right
• 8:54
  there
• 8:54
  because
• 8:55
  I
• 8:55
  could
• 8:55
  talk
• 8:55
  forever
• 8:56
  about
• 8:56
  this
• 8:56
  topic.
• 8:56
  No,
• 8:57
  but
• 8:57
  it
• 8:57
  is
• 8:57
  interesting
• 8:57
  and
• 8:58
  I've
• 8:58
  read
• 8:58
  around
• 8:59
  it
• 8:59
  where,
• 9:00
  as
• 9:00
  I
• 9:00
  said,
• 9:01
  the
• 9:02
  antidote
• 9:02
  to
• 9:02
  anxiety,
• 9:04
  obviously
• 9:05
  my
• 9:06
  mental
• 9:06
  health
• 9:06
  issues
• 9:06
  are
• 9:06
  not
• 9:07
  that
• 9:07
  simple,
• 9:07
  but
• 9:07
  there
• 9:07
  have
• 9:07
  been
• 9:08
  studies
• 9:08
  to
• 9:08
  show
• 9:08
  that
• 9:09
  people
• 9:09
  with
• 9:09
  PTSD
• 9:10
  who
• 9:11
  regularly
• 9:11
  are,
• 9:12
  you
• 9:12
  know,
• 9:12
  are
• 9:12
  regularly
• 9:12
  outdoor,
• 9:13
  you
• 9:13
  know,
• 9:13
  in
• 9:13
  the
• 9:13
  outdoors,
• 9:14
  you
• 9:14
  know,
• 9:16
  because
• 9:16
  their
• 9:16
  experience
• 9:17
  is
• 9:17
  tied
• 9:17
  to
• 9:17
  all
• 9:18
  that
• 9:18
  that
• 9:18
  seems.
• 9:18
  They
• 9:18
  seem
• 9:19
  to
• 9:19
  see
• 9:19
  an
• 9:19
  improvement
• 9:19
  in
• 9:20
  that.
• 9:20
  So,
• 9:20
  yeah,
• 9:21
  it's
• 9:21
  100%.
• 9:22
  And
• 9:22
  they
• 9:22
  also
• 9:23
  studied
• 9:23
  Dacher,
• 9:24
  studied
• 9:26
  people
• 9:26
  coming
• 9:26
  out
• 9:27
  of
• 9:27
  prison
• 9:27
  being,
• 9:27
  you
• 9:27
  know,
• 9:28
  rehabilitating.
• 9:29
  How
• 9:29
  AWE
• 9:30
  really
• 9:30
  transformed.
• 9:31
  They.
• 9:31
  They
• 9:31
  did
• 9:31
  an
• 9:32
  outdoor
• 9:32
  program
• 9:32
  with
• 9:33
  them,
• 9:33
  which
• 9:33
  I
• 9:33
  thought
• 9:33
  was
• 9:33
  wonderful.
• 9:34
  And
• 9:34
  how
• 9:35
  it
• 9:35
  really,
• 9:35
  like,
• 9:36
  just
• 9:36
  had
• 9:37
  such
• 9:37
  a
• 9:37
  profound
• 9:37
  effect
• 9:38
  on
• 9:39
  their
• 9:40
  really
• 9:40
  re
• 9:41
  entry
• 9:41
  into
• 9:41
  the
• 9:41
  world
• 9:42
  and
• 9:42
  their
• 9:42
  relationship
• 9:42
  with
• 9:43
  the
• 9:43
  world
• 9:43
  and
• 9:43
  one
• 9:43
  another
• 9:44
  and
• 9:44
  inspired
• 9:44
  them.
• 9:45
  So
• 9:45
  very
• 9:46
  exciting.
• 9:47
  I
• 9:48
  think
• 9:48
  that
• 9:49
  once
• 9:49
  the
• 9:49
  book
• 9:49
  came
• 9:50
  out,
• 9:50
  it
• 9:51
  became
• 9:51
  a
• 9:51
  bestseller.
• 9:51
  Yes,
• 9:52
  it
• 9:52
  is
• 9:52
  a
• 9:52
  bestseller
• 9:53
  now.
• 9:53
  It's
• 9:53
  like
• 9:54
  been
• 9:54
  said,
• 9:54
  like,
• 9:54
  this
• 9:54
  is
• 9:55
  a
• 9:55
  must
• 9:55
  read
• 9:56
  by
• 9:56
  the
• 9:56
  Library
• 9:57
  Journal.
• 9:57
  And
• 9:58
  now
• 9:58
  Dacher's
• 9:58
  been.
• 9:59
  He's
• 9:59
  talked
• 9:59
  on
• 10:00
  npr,
• 10:00
  the
• 10:01
  BBC,
• 10:02
  New
• 10:02
  York
• 10:02
  Times,
• 10:03
  Washington
• 10:03
  Post.
• 10:03
  We
• 10:04
  see
• 10:05
  all
• 10:05
  of
• 10:06
  this
• 10:06
  curriculum
• 10:07
  seeping
• 10:07
  into
• 10:08
  all
• 10:08
  these
• 10:08
  other
• 10:09
  areas.
• 10:10
  Museums,
• 10:11
  you
• 10:11
  know,
• 10:11
  the
• 10:11
  National
• 10:12
  Gallery
• 10:13
  has
• 10:13
  this
• 10:13
  whole
• 10:13
  program
• 10:14
  that
• 10:14
  Dacher
• 10:14
  helped
• 10:14
  them
• 10:15
  organize,
• 10:16
  of
• 10:16
  course,
• 10:16
  the
• 10:17
  national
• 10:17
  parks,
• 10:17
  which
• 10:18
  we'll
• 10:18
  talk
• 10:18
  about
• 10:18
  a
• 10:18
  little
• 10:18
  more.
• 10:19
  But
• 10:20
  he
• 10:20
  even
• 10:20
  presented
• 10:21
  to
• 10:21
  the
• 10:21
  Dalai
• 10:22
  Lama
• 10:22
  his
• 10:23
  research
• 10:23
  and
• 10:23
  findings.
• 10:24
  So,
• 10:25
  you
• 10:25
  know,
• 10:25
  it's
• 10:25
  just
• 10:25
  like,
• 10:26
  I
• 10:26
  feel
• 10:26
  like,
• 10:27
  for
• 10:27
  us.
• 10:28
  And
• 10:28
  I'll
• 10:28
  tell
• 10:28
  you
• 10:28
  what
• 10:28
  Dacher
• 10:29
  said
• 10:29
  about
• 10:29
  wows
• 10:30
  about
• 10:30
  to
• 10:30
  be
• 10:31
  able
• 10:31
  to
• 10:31
  take
• 10:31
  this
• 10:31
  research
• 10:32
  and
• 10:32
  put
• 10:32
  it
• 10:33
  into
• 10:33
  a
• 10:33
  series
• 10:34
  for
• 10:34
  children
• 10:35
  and
• 10:35
  their
• 10:35
  young
• 10:36
  families
• 10:36
  to,
• 10:37
  like,
• 10:37
  absorb
• 10:38
  and
• 10:38
  take
• 10:38
  and
• 10:38
  help
• 10:40
  be
• 10:40
  a
• 10:40
  building
• 10:40
  block,
• 10:42
  not
• 10:42
  only
• 10:42
  in
• 10:42
  their
• 10:43
  entertainment
• 10:43
  and
• 10:43
  storytelling
• 10:44
  experience,
• 10:44
  but
• 10:44
  just
• 10:44
  in
• 10:44
  their
• 10:45
  lives.
• 10:45
  It's
• 10:46
  a
• 10:46
  real
• 10:46
  privilege.
• 10:47
  It's
• 10:47
  been
• 10:47
  great.
• 10:47
  Dacher
• 10:48
  actually
• 10:48
  said
• 10:48
  to
• 10:49
  me,
• 10:49
  he
• 10:49
  said,
• 10:50
  this
• 10:50
  is
• 10:50
  one
• 10:50
  of
• 10:50
  the
• 10:50
  greatest
• 10:51
  accomplishments
• 10:51
  of
• 10:52
  my
• 10:52
  career.
• 10:52
  And
• 10:52
  I
• 10:53
  was
• 10:53
  like,
• 10:53
  what?
• 10:55
  He's
• 10:55
  like,
• 10:55
  no,
• 10:55
  it's
• 10:56
  like
• 10:56
  we
• 10:56
  do
• 10:56
  all
• 10:56
  this
• 10:57
  research
• 10:57
  and.
• 10:58
  And
• 10:58
  we
• 10:58
  want
• 10:58
  to
• 10:58
  put
• 10:59
  it
• 10:59
  out
• 10:59
  in
• 10:59
  the
• 10:59
  world.
• 11:00
  And
• 11:00
  now
• 11:00
  we
• 11:00
  were
• 11:00
  sitting.
• 11:01
  He
• 11:01
  said
• 11:01
  this
• 11:01
  to
• 11:01
  me
• 11:01
  when
• 11:02
  we
• 11:02
  were
• 11:02
  at
• 11:02
  the
• 11:02
  premiere.
• 11:03
  We
• 11:03
  were
• 11:03
  in
• 11:03
  a
• 11:04
  premiere
• 11:04
  for
• 11:04
  whiles
• 11:04
  about
• 11:04
  there's
• 11:05
  like
• 11:05
  1,800
• 11:06
  kids
• 11:06
  and
• 11:06
  parents.
• 11:07
  And
• 11:07
  he
• 11:07
  was
• 11:08
  like,
• 11:08
  here
• 11:08
  it
• 11:08
  is.
• 11:09
  Look,
• 11:09
  they're
• 11:09
  cheering,
• 11:10
  they're
• 11:10
  happy,
• 11:10
  they're
• 11:11
  experiencing
• 11:11
  it.
• 11:12
  So
• 11:14
  I
• 11:14
  think
• 11:14
  we've
• 11:15
  done
• 11:15
  right
• 11:15
  by
• 11:15
  him.
• 11:16
  But
• 11:16
  there's
• 11:16
  still
• 11:17
  so
• 11:17
  much
• 11:17
  to
• 11:17
  learn
• 11:18
  about
• 11:18
  awe.
• 11:19
  And
• 11:20
  hopefully
• 11:20
  this
• 11:21
  series,
• 11:21
  we'll
• 11:21
  see
• 11:21
  how
• 11:22
  PBS
• 11:24
  works
• 11:24
  with
• 11:25
  us
• 11:25
  with
• 11:25
  the
• 11:25
  research,
• 11:25
  but
• 11:26
  there's
• 11:26
  not
• 11:26
  been
• 11:26
  a
• 11:27
  lot
• 11:27
  of
• 11:27
  research
• 11:27
  done
• 11:28
  on
• 11:28
  children.
• 11:29
  And
• 11:30
  so
• 11:30
  hopefully
• 11:31
  this
• 11:31
  will,
• 11:31
  you
• 11:31
  know,
• 11:32
  be
• 11:32
  the
• 11:32
  first
• 11:32
  that
• 11:32
  we
• 11:32
  can
• 11:33
  use
• 11:33
  as
• 11:33
  well.
• 11:34
  And
• 11:35
  do
• 11:35
  you
• 11:35
  think
• 11:35
  there's
• 11:35
  a
• 11:35
  quality.
• 11:36
  Do
• 11:36
  you
• 11:36
  think
• 11:36
  there's
• 11:37
  a
• 11:37
  quality
• 11:37
  to
• 11:38
  puppets
• 11:39
  that
• 11:39
  make
• 11:39
  them
• 11:39
  perfect
• 11:40
  for
• 11:40
  communicating
• 11:41
  or
• 11:41
  to
• 11:42
  kids?
• 11:42
  Because
• 11:42
  I
• 11:43
  always
• 11:43
  think
• 11:43
  that
• 11:44
  there's
• 11:44
  just
• 11:44
  something
• 11:45
  very
• 11:45
  powerful
• 11:45
  about
• 11:46
  puppets
• 11:46
  that
• 11:46
  way,
• 11:46
  that
• 11:47
  it
• 11:47
  combines
• 11:48
  original
• 11:48
  characters
• 11:49
  with
• 11:49
  the
• 11:49
  spontaneity
• 11:50
  of
• 11:50
  live
• 11:50
  action.
• 11:51
  Yeah,
• 11:53
  I
• 11:53
  think
• 11:53
  so.
• 11:54
  I
• 11:55
  have
• 11:55
  to
• 11:55
  say
• 11:55
  that
• 11:56
  one
• 11:56
  of
• 11:57
  the
• 11:57
  reasons
• 11:57
  we
• 11:57
  chose
• 11:57
  puppets
• 11:58
  for
• 11:58
  WowZaboub
• 11:59
  was
• 11:59
  that
• 11:59
  I
• 12:00
  wanted
• 12:00
  to
• 12:00
  be
• 12:00
  out
• 12:00
  in
• 12:00
  the
• 12:00
  real
• 12:01
  world.
• 12:01
  We
• 12:02
  wanted
• 12:02
  to
• 12:02
  experience
• 12:03
  awe
• 12:03
  in
• 12:04
  the
• 12:04
  real
• 12:04
  world.
• 12:06
  By
• 12:06
  the
• 12:06
  way,
• 12:06
  I
• 12:06
  love
• 12:07
  animation,
• 12:07
  but
• 12:08
  just
• 12:08
  to
• 12:08
  imagine
• 12:10
  showing
• 12:10
  the
• 12:10
  awe
• 12:11
  of
• 12:11
  the
• 12:11
  world,
• 12:11
  animation
• 12:12
  just
• 12:12
  didn't
• 12:12
  feel
• 12:12
  like
• 12:13
  enough.
• 12:13
  And
• 12:13
  I
• 12:14
  had
• 12:14
  worked
• 12:14
  on
• 12:14
  Fraggle.
• 12:15
  I
• 12:15
  executive
• 12:15
  produced
• 12:16
  Fraggle
• 12:16
  Rock.
• 12:16
  And
• 12:17
  I
• 12:17
  was
• 12:17
  doing
• 12:18
  the
• 12:18
  segment
• 12:18
  called
• 12:19
  Uncle
• 12:19
  Traveling.
• 12:19
  Matt,
• 12:20
  he
• 12:20
  goes
• 12:20
  around
• 12:20
  the
• 12:20
  world.
• 12:21
  And
• 12:23
  when
• 12:23
  we
• 12:23
  were
• 12:23
  in
• 12:23
  Mexico
• 12:23
  City
• 12:23
  and
• 12:24
  in
• 12:24
  Seoul,
• 12:24
  I
• 12:24
  was
• 12:25
  like,
• 12:25
  this
• 12:25
  is
• 12:25
  so
• 12:25
  beautiful.
• 12:26
  We
• 12:26
  are
• 12:26
  out,
• 12:27
  like,
• 12:27
  in
• 12:27
  the
• 12:27
  most
• 12:28
  gorgeous
• 12:28
  places
• 12:28
  in
• 12:29
  the
• 12:29
  world.
• 12:30
  Let's
• 12:30
  do
• 12:30
  this
• 12:30
  more.
• 12:31
  Let's
• 12:31
  figure
• 12:31
  out
• 12:32
  a
• 12:32
  show
• 12:32
  that
• 12:32
  can
• 12:32
  take
• 12:33
  advantage
• 12:33
  of
• 12:33
  this.
• 12:33
  So
• 12:33
  the
• 12:33
  puppets
• 12:34
  are
• 12:34
  perfect
• 12:34
  for
• 12:34
  that.
• 12:35
  And
• 12:35
  I
• 12:36
  think
• 12:36
  to
• 12:36
  engage
• 12:36
  young
• 12:37
  children,
• 12:37
  could
• 12:37
  we
• 12:38
  have
• 12:38
  had
• 12:38
  hosts?
• 12:38
  Like
• 12:39
  live
• 12:39
  action?
• 12:39
  Human
• 12:40
  hosts?
• 12:40
  Yeah.
• 12:41
  But
• 12:42
  to
• 12:42
  have
• 12:42
  it
• 12:42
  done
• 12:43
  with
• 12:43
  these
• 12:43
  characters
• 12:44
  who
• 12:45
  are
• 12:46
  fantastical
• 12:47
  and
• 12:48
  hilarious
• 12:50
  and
• 12:50
  outrageous
• 12:51
  and
• 12:52
  seeing
• 12:52
  it
• 12:52
  from
• 12:52
  the
• 12:53
  animal's
• 12:53
  point
• 12:53
  of
• 12:54
  view.
• 12:54
  Looking
• 12:55
  at
• 12:55
  the
• 12:55
  world
• 12:55
  from
• 12:55
  the
• 12:55
  wild
• 12:56
  way
• 12:57
  was
• 12:57
  really
• 12:58
  key.
• 12:58
  But
• 12:58
  here's
• 12:58
  the
• 12:59
  thing
• 12:59
  I
• 12:59
  love
• 12:59
  about
• 12:59
  puppets.
• 12:59
  I
• 13:00
  could
• 13:00
  talk
• 13:00
  about
• 13:00
  puppets
• 13:00
  forever.
• 13:01
  The
• 13:01
  thing
• 13:01
  about
• 13:01
  puppets
• 13:02
  is
• 13:03
  that
• 13:03
  the
• 13:04
  audience
• 13:05
  that's
• 13:05
  watching
• 13:06
  gets
• 13:06
  to
• 13:06
  be
• 13:06
  part
• 13:06
  of
• 13:07
  the
• 13:07
  magic.
• 13:08
  We
• 13:08
  kind
• 13:09
  of,
• 13:09
  I
• 13:09
  mean,
• 13:09
  children,
• 13:10
  like,
• 13:11
  they
• 13:12
  believe
• 13:12
  it's
• 13:13
  there,
• 13:13
  but
• 13:13
  we
• 13:14
  all
• 13:14
  get
• 13:14
  to
• 13:14
  say,
• 13:14
  oh,
• 13:14
  that's
• 13:15
  like,
• 13:15
  I'm
• 13:15
  going
• 13:15
  to
• 13:16
  say,
• 13:16
  yes,
• 13:16
  Kermit
• 13:16
  the
• 13:17
  frog
• 13:17
  is
• 13:17
  riding
• 13:17
  a
• 13:17
  bike.
• 13:19
  I
• 13:19
  agree.
• 13:20
  So
• 13:21
  we're
• 13:21
  part
• 13:21
  of
• 13:21
  that
• 13:21
  magic.
• 13:22
  And
• 13:22
  so
• 13:23
  that's
• 13:23
  awe
• 13:23
  inspiring
• 13:24
  that
• 13:24
  you
• 13:24
  get
• 13:24
  to
• 13:24
  be
• 13:24
  part
• 13:24
  of
• 13:25
  this
• 13:26
  art
• 13:26
  form
• 13:27
  that's
• 13:27
  unfolding
• 13:27
  before
• 13:28
  your
• 13:28
  eyes.
• 13:29
  But
• 13:30
  listen,
• 13:31
  Roxy
• 13:31
  and
• 13:32
  Ronald
• 13:32
  on
• 13:32
  wowzabout.
• 13:33
  I've
• 13:33
  seen
• 13:33
  them
• 13:34
  talk
• 13:34
  to
• 13:34
  children
• 13:34
  where
• 13:34
  the
• 13:35
  puppeteers
• 13:35
  are
• 13:35
  right
• 13:36
  there.
• 13:36
  There's
• 13:37
  children
• 13:37
  in
• 13:37
  the
• 13:37
  special.
• 13:38
  Kids
• 13:38
  are
• 13:39
  eyes
• 13:39
  locked
• 13:40
  on
• 13:40
  the
• 13:40
  puppets.
• 13:41
  They're
• 13:42
  locked
• 13:42
  on.
• 13:42
  They're
• 13:43
  like,
• 13:43
  that's
• 13:43
  Roxy,
• 13:44
  that's
• 13:44
  Ronald.
• 13:45
  And
• 13:45
  it
• 13:46
  brings
• 13:46
  them
• 13:46
  such
• 13:47
  joy.
• 13:48
  It
• 13:49
  is.
• 13:49
  And
• 13:49
  you
• 13:50
  know,
• 13:50
  we
• 13:50
  have
• 13:50
  great
• 13:50
  puppeteers.
• 13:51
  Doreen
• 13:52
  Davies,
• 13:52
  who
• 13:52
  plays,
• 13:53
  she's
• 13:53
  my
• 13:53
  partner,
• 13:54
  she
• 13:54
  plays
• 13:54
  Roxy.
• 13:55
  I
• 13:55
  call
• 13:55
  her
• 13:55
  the
• 13:55
  Amy
• 13:56
  Poehler
• 13:56
  of
• 13:56
  puppeteers.
• 13:57
  And
• 13:57
  Johnny
• 13:58
  Tartaglia,
• 13:59
  who
• 13:59
  is,
• 13:59
  you
• 13:59
  know,
• 14:00
  legendary
• 14:01
  comedian.
• 14:02
  They're
• 14:02
  the
• 14:02
  best.
• 14:03
  So
• 14:03
  the
• 14:04
  improv
• 14:04
  they
• 14:04
  can
• 14:04
  do
• 14:05
  and
• 14:05
  they
• 14:05
  have
• 14:05
  such
• 14:05
  big
• 14:06
  hearts.
• 14:06
  They
• 14:06
  love
• 14:06
  children.
• 14:08
  I
• 14:08
  think
• 14:08
  it
• 14:09
  just
• 14:09
  makes
• 14:09
  it
• 14:09
  that
• 14:09
  much
• 14:10
  more
• 14:10
  special
• 14:11
  in
• 14:11
  the
• 14:11
  show.
• 14:11
  They
• 14:11
  talk
• 14:12
  to
• 14:12
  kids
• 14:12
  about
• 14:12
  awe.
• 14:13
  Those
• 14:13
  kids
• 14:13
  in
• 14:13
  our
• 14:14
  special,
• 14:14
  they're
• 14:15
  not
• 14:15
  actors.
• 14:15
  They
• 14:15
  were
• 14:16
  actually
• 14:16
  in
• 14:16
  the
• 14:16
  Sequoia
• 14:17
  National
• 14:17
  Forest
• 14:18
  with
• 14:18
  us
• 14:18
  looking
• 14:18
  at
• 14:18
  these
• 14:19
  giant
• 14:19
  trees.
• 14:20
  And
• 14:21
  everything
• 14:21
  we
• 14:21
  asked
• 14:22
  them
• 14:22
  was
• 14:22
  unprompted.
• 14:24
  They
• 14:24
  were
• 14:24
  saying,
• 14:24
  oh,
• 14:25
  I
• 14:25
  have
• 14:25
  goosebumps.
• 14:26
  Or
• 14:26
  they
• 14:26
  wanted
• 14:26
  to
• 14:26
  tell
• 14:26
  Roxy
• 14:27
  and
• 14:27
  Ronald,
• 14:27
  you
• 14:28
  know,
• 14:28
  all
• 14:28
  kinds
• 14:28
  of
• 14:29
  stories.
• 14:29
  And
• 14:29
  one
• 14:29
  of
• 14:29
  the
• 14:29
  girls
• 14:30
  wanted
• 14:30
  to
• 14:30
  sing
• 14:30
  Les
• 14:31
  Miserables
• 14:31
  with
• 14:31
  Ronald.
• 14:32
  It
• 14:32
  was
• 14:32
  great.
• 14:32
  And
• 14:32
  we
• 14:32
  were
• 14:33
  like,
• 14:33
  we
• 14:33
  don't
• 14:33
  have.
• 14:33
  The
• 14:33
  rights
• 14:33
  for
• 14:33
  that.
• 14:34
  Adorable.
• 14:35
  I
• 14:35
  know,
• 14:36
  but
• 14:36
  I
• 14:37
  have
• 14:37
  the
• 14:37
  footage
• 14:37
  and
• 14:37
  it's
• 14:38
  adorable.
• 14:39
  So
• 14:40
  I
• 14:40
  just
• 14:40
  think
• 14:40
  that,
• 14:40
  like,
• 14:41
  it's
• 14:41
  the
• 14:41
  per.
• 14:41
  They're
• 14:42
  so
• 14:42
  awe
• 14:42
  inspiring.
• 14:42
  Anyway,
• 14:43
  it's
• 14:43
  the
• 14:43
  perfect,
• 14:44
  you
• 14:44
  know,
• 14:44
  medium
• 14:45
  to
• 14:45
  bring
• 14:45
  it
• 14:45
  to
• 14:45
  life.
• 14:46
  But
• 14:46
  also,
• 14:47
  I
• 14:47
  love
• 14:47
  puppets.
• 14:48
  You
• 14:48
  know,
• 14:48
  my
• 14:48
  first
• 14:49
  awe
• 14:49
  inspiring
• 14:50
  experience
• 14:51
  in
• 14:51
  the
• 14:51
  movie
• 14:52
  theater,
• 14:52
  I
• 14:53
  remember
• 14:53
  it,
• 14:53
  it
• 14:53
  was
• 14:54
  seeing
• 14:54
  Kermit
• 14:54
  the
• 14:55
  frog,
• 14:55
  like,
• 14:56
  playing
• 14:56
  the
• 14:56
  banjo,
• 14:57
  singing
• 14:57
  Rainbow
• 14:57
  Connection.
• 14:58
  I
• 14:58
  was
• 14:58
  like,
• 14:58
  kermit's
• 14:59
  real,
• 14:59
  you
• 14:59
  know,
• 15:00
  like,
• 15:00
  that's
• 15:00
  what
• 15:00
  I
• 15:00
  remember
• 15:00
  thinking.
• 15:01
  There
• 15:01
  is
• 15:02
  a
• 15:02
  unique,
• 15:03
  a
• 15:03
  new,
• 15:03
  unique
• 15:04
  ability
• 15:04
  that
• 15:04
  puppets
• 15:05
  have
• 15:06
  that
• 15:06
  just
• 15:06
  almost
• 15:07
  without
• 15:07
  trying
• 15:08
  force
• 15:08
  people
• 15:08
  to
• 15:09
  suspend
• 15:09
  their
• 15:09
  disbelief.
• 15:10
  And
• 15:10
  I
• 15:11
  extend
• 15:11
  that
• 15:12
  to
• 15:12
  grownups
• 15:12
  too,
• 15:13
  because,
• 15:13
  like,
• 15:13
  You.
• 15:14
  I've
• 15:14
  been
• 15:14
  up
• 15:15
  on
• 15:15
  set
• 15:15
  when
• 15:15
  we
• 15:16
  co
• 15:16
  produced
• 15:16
  a
• 15:16
  show
• 15:16
  with
• 15:17
  Sesame
• 15:17
  and
• 15:17
  we
• 15:17
  had
• 15:18
  kids
• 15:18
  and
• 15:18
  adults
• 15:18
  on
• 15:19
  set
• 15:19
  and
• 15:19
  the
• 15:19
  same
• 15:20
  thing
• 15:20
  happened.
• 15:20
  They
• 15:21
  spoke
• 15:21
  to
• 15:21
  the
• 15:21
  puppet,
• 15:22
  not
• 15:22
  the
• 15:23
  puppeteer
• 15:23
  alongside.
• 15:24
  They
• 15:24
  were
• 15:24
  almost
• 15:25
  invisible.
• 15:26
  And
• 15:26
  also
• 15:26
  they
• 15:27
  are
• 15:27
  masters
• 15:27
  at
• 15:28
  blending
• 15:28
  into
• 15:28
  the
• 15:28
  background
• 15:29
  that
• 15:30
  is
• 15:30
  the
• 15:30
  puppet.
• 15:31
  The
• 15:31
  puppet
• 15:31
  is
• 15:31
  the
• 15:32
  thing
• 15:32
  that
• 15:32
  you're
• 15:32
  interacting
• 15:32
  with.
• 15:33
  And
• 15:33
  yeah,
• 15:34
  it
• 15:34
  definitely
• 15:35
  inspires
• 15:36
  awe.
• 15:37
  Did
• 15:37
  you.
• 15:38
  I
• 15:38
  mean,
• 15:38
  very
• 15:39
  often
• 15:39
  we've
• 15:39
  heard
• 15:41
  that
• 15:41
  puppets
• 15:42
  don't
• 15:42
  travel
• 15:42
  globally.
• 15:43
  Not.
• 15:43
  Not
• 15:43
  in
• 15:43
  the
• 15:44
  sense
• 15:44
  that
• 15:44
  uncle
• 15:44
  traveling.
• 15:45
  Matt
• 15:45
  didn't,
• 15:45
  because
• 15:45
  he
• 15:46
  got
• 15:46
  around.
• 15:47
  But
• 15:48
  puppets
• 15:49
  as
• 15:49
  a
• 15:49
  medium
• 15:49
  don't
• 15:50
  travel.
• 15:50
  But
• 15:50
  I
• 15:50
  mean,
• 15:51
  really,
• 15:52
  it
• 15:53
  sounds
• 15:53
  to
• 15:53
  me
• 15:53
  like
• 15:53
  you
• 15:54
  went
• 15:54
  into
• 15:54
  this
• 15:54
  thinking
• 15:54
  about
• 15:55
  not
• 15:55
  necessarily
• 15:56
  it
• 15:56
  being
• 15:56
  us
• 15:57
  first
• 15:57
  or
• 15:57
  you
• 15:57
  were
• 15:57
  in
• 15:58
  Sequoia
• 15:58
  National
• 15:58
  Park.
• 15:59
  This
• 15:59
  is
• 15:59
  just
• 16:00
  the
• 16:00
  world.
• 16:01
  This
• 16:01
  is
• 16:02
  the
• 16:02
  world.
• 16:02
  Inspiring.
• 16:03
  Or
• 16:03
  did
• 16:03
  you
• 16:03
  think
• 16:04
  about
• 16:04
  global
• 16:04
  appeal
• 16:05
  and
• 16:05
  the
• 16:05
  tension
• 16:05
  between
• 16:06
  being,
• 16:06
  you
• 16:07
  know,
• 16:07
  kind
• 16:07
  of
• 16:08
  commissioned
• 16:08
  by
• 16:08
  PBS
• 16:09
  Kids?
• 16:09
  Or
• 16:09
  did
• 16:09
  you
• 16:09
  just
• 16:10
  think
• 16:10
  about
• 16:10
  it
• 16:10
  as
• 16:10
  we're
• 16:11
  all
• 16:11
  citizens
• 16:12
  of
• 16:12
  this.
• 16:13
  This
• 16:13
  planet
• 16:14
  here?
• 16:15
  It
• 16:15
  started
• 16:15
  as
• 16:16
  that.
• 16:16
  It
• 16:16
  started
• 16:16
  as
• 16:16
  a
• 16:17
  citizens
• 16:17
  of
• 16:17
  this
• 16:17
  planet.
• 16:18
  Whenever
• 16:19
  created
• 16:20
  a
• 16:20
  show
• 16:21
  now
• 16:21
  or
• 16:22
  for
• 16:22
  the
• 16:22
  Jim
• 16:22
  Henson
• 16:22
  Company,
• 16:23
  always
• 16:23
  thought
• 16:24
  global.
• 16:25
  You
• 16:25
  know,
• 16:25
  Jim
• 16:25
  Henson
• 16:26
  himself
• 16:27
  did
• 16:27
  as
• 16:27
  well.
• 16:27
  Fraggle
• 16:28
  Rock
• 16:28
  was
• 16:28
  created.
• 16:29
  He
• 16:29
  literally
• 16:30
  wanted
• 16:30
  to
• 16:30
  create
• 16:30
  it
• 16:30
  to
• 16:31
  create
• 16:31
  world
• 16:31
  peace.
• 16:33
  So
• 16:33
  it
• 16:33
  was,
• 16:33
  I
• 16:34
  think
• 16:34
  it
• 16:34
  was
• 16:34
  one
• 16:34
  of
• 16:35
  the
• 16:35
  first
• 16:35
  real
• 16:35
  true,
• 16:36
  you
• 16:36
  know,
• 16:37
  global
• 16:37
  co
• 16:37
  productions.
• 16:38
  Fraggle
• 16:39
  Rock.
• 16:39
  So
• 16:40
  it's
• 16:40
  kind
• 16:40
  of
• 16:40
  in
• 16:40
  our
• 16:40
  DNA
• 16:41
  to
• 16:42
  think
• 16:42
  of
• 16:43
  it
• 16:43
  that
• 16:43
  way.
• 16:44
  But
• 16:45
  Oz
• 16:45
  universal,
• 16:46
  right?
• 16:47
  Just
• 16:47
  like
• 16:47
  love,
• 16:47
  it's
• 16:47
  an
• 16:48
  emotion
• 16:48
  everybody
• 16:49
  has.
• 16:50
  When
• 16:50
  Dacher
• 16:51
  studied,
• 16:52
  he
• 16:52
  studied
• 16:52
  like,
• 16:52
  I
• 16:53
  think
• 16:53
  he
• 16:53
  studied
• 16:53
  28
• 16:53
  countries
• 16:56
  and
• 16:56
  all
• 16:56
  kinds
• 16:56
  of
• 16:57
  countries.
• 16:57
  Very
• 16:57
  individualistic,
• 16:58
  very
• 16:58
  socialist,
• 16:59
  you
• 16:59
  know,
• 16:59
  like
• 16:59
  all
• 17:00
  kinds
• 17:00
  of
• 17:00
  countries.
• 17:01
  Every.
• 17:02
  That
• 17:02
  emotion
• 17:03
  is
• 17:03
  clear
• 17:03
  everywhere.
• 17:04
  Also,
• 17:05
  he
• 17:05
  was
• 17:05
  able
• 17:06
  to
• 17:06
  identify
• 17:06
  eight
• 17:07
  wonders
• 17:07
  of
• 17:07
  awe
• 17:08
  that
• 17:08
  every
• 17:08
  country
• 17:09
  experiences.
• 17:10
  Everything
• 17:11
  from
• 17:11
  music
• 17:12
  to
• 17:12
  life
• 17:12
  cycle
• 17:13
  to
• 17:13
  moral
• 17:14
  beauty,
• 17:14
  which
• 17:14
  is
• 17:15
  kindness,
• 17:15
  acts
• 17:16
  of
• 17:16
  goodness.
• 17:16
  That
• 17:16
  was
• 17:16
  the
• 17:17
  number
• 17:17
  one
• 17:17
  in
• 17:17
  the
• 17:17
  world.
• 17:18
  Number
• 17:18
  one
• 17:18
  in
• 17:18
  China.
• 17:20
  But
• 17:20
  the
• 17:20
  thing
• 17:20
  I
• 17:21
  love
• 17:21
  the
• 17:21
  most
• 17:21
  is
• 17:22
  that
• 17:22
  in
• 17:22
  every
• 17:22
  country
• 17:23
  studied
• 17:25
  there
• 17:25
  was
• 17:25
  the
• 17:26
  same
• 17:26
  expression
• 17:27
  for
• 17:28
  the
• 17:28
  feeling
• 17:29
  of
• 17:29
  awe
• 17:30
  in
• 17:31
  every
• 17:31
  country.
• 17:32
  And
• 17:32
  the
• 17:32
  word
• 17:32
  was
• 17:33
  whoa.
• 17:35
  So
• 17:35
  we
• 17:35
  kind
• 17:36
  of
• 17:36
  adjusted
• 17:36
  to
• 17:36
  make
• 17:36
  it
• 17:36
  a
• 17:36
  little
• 17:36
  more
• 17:37
  fun
• 17:37
  and
• 17:37
  said
• 17:37
  wow.
• 17:37
  But
• 17:39
  so
• 17:39
  it's
• 17:39
  not
• 17:39
  a
• 17:39
  woe's
• 17:39
  about,
• 17:40
  it's
• 17:40
  a
• 17:40
  wow's
• 17:40
  about.
• 17:41
  But
• 17:41
  I
• 17:41
  thought
• 17:41
  that
• 17:42
  universality
• 17:43
  was
• 17:43
  extraordinary,
• 17:45
  but
• 17:45
  then
• 17:45
  it's
• 17:45
  in
• 17:45
  the
• 17:45
  specificity.
• 17:46
  So
• 17:47
  we
• 17:47
  did
• 17:47
  imagine,
• 17:47
  like
• 17:48
  them
• 17:48
  going
• 17:48
  everywhere
• 17:49
  with
• 17:50
  wows
• 17:50
  about
• 17:50
  all
• 17:50
  around
• 17:51
  the
• 17:51
  world.
• 17:53
  And
• 17:53
  we're
• 17:53
  still
• 17:53
  pursuing
• 17:54
  that
• 17:54
  model.
• 17:54
  So
• 17:55
  that
• 17:55
  will
• 17:55
  be
• 17:55
  part
• 17:55
  of
• 17:55
  the
• 17:56
  future
• 17:56
  of
• 17:56
  it.
• 17:56
  But
• 17:58
  so
• 17:58
  grateful
• 17:58
  to
• 17:58
  pbs,
• 17:59
  you
• 17:59
  always
• 17:59
  have
• 17:59
  to
• 18:00
  find
• 18:00
  that
• 18:00
  first
• 18:00
  buyer
• 18:01
  that
• 18:01
  first
• 18:02
  you're,
• 18:02
  you
• 18:02
  know,
• 18:03
  who
• 18:03
  Loves
• 18:03
  your
• 18:03
  baby
• 18:04
  as
• 18:04
  much
• 18:04
  as
• 18:04
  you
• 18:05
  and
• 18:06
  Audrey
• 18:07
  Honorschmidt
• 18:07
  at
• 18:07
  PBS
• 18:08
  Kids.
• 18:08
  Actually,
• 18:09
  when
• 18:09
  I
• 18:09
  first
• 18:09
  had
• 18:10
  this
• 18:10
  idea,
• 18:11
  he
• 18:11
  liked
• 18:11
  to
• 18:12
  set
• 18:12
  a
• 18:13
  kind
• 18:13
  of
• 18:13
  a
• 18:13
  check
• 18:13
  in
• 18:14
  with
• 18:14
  me,
• 18:14
  like
• 18:15
  every
• 18:15
  few
• 18:15
  months.
• 18:16
  And
• 18:16
  he's
• 18:16
  like,
• 18:16
  what
• 18:16
  are
• 18:16
  you
• 18:16
  thinking
• 18:17
  about?
• 18:17
  What's
• 18:17
  going
• 18:18
  on
• 18:18
  in
• 18:18
  your
• 18:18
  brain?
• 18:19
  And
• 18:19
  I
• 18:19
  told
• 18:20
  him
• 18:20
  about
• 18:20
  my
• 18:21
  idea
• 18:21
  for
• 18:21
  wowzabout
• 18:22
  and
• 18:22
  he
• 18:22
  was,
• 18:22
  he
• 18:23
  kind
• 18:23
  of
• 18:23
  teased
• 18:23
  it
• 18:24
  out.
• 18:24
  He
• 18:24
  was
• 18:24
  like,
• 18:24
  I
• 18:24
  love
• 18:24
  that
• 18:25
  what
• 18:26
  if.
• 18:26
  And
• 18:27
  I
• 18:27
  love
• 18:27
  the
• 18:27
  what
• 18:27
  if.
• 18:28
  What
• 18:28
  if
• 18:28
  they
• 18:28
  went
• 18:28
  to
• 18:28
  the
• 18:28
  national
• 18:29
  parks.
• 18:30
  He's
• 18:31
  like.
• 18:31
  And
• 18:31
  they
• 18:31
  drove
• 18:31
  a
• 18:31
  little
• 18:32
  camper
• 18:32
  van.
• 18:32
  He
• 18:33
  was
• 18:33
  obsessed
• 18:33
  with
• 18:33
  that
• 18:34
  camper
• 18:34
  van.
• 18:34
  By
• 18:34
  the
• 18:35
  way,
• 18:35
  when
• 18:35
  anybody
• 18:35
  watches
• 18:36
  this
• 18:36
  special,
• 18:37
  the
• 18:37
  camper
• 18:37
  van
• 18:37
  is
• 18:38
  like
• 18:38
  the
• 18:38
  sleeper
• 18:39
  hit
• 18:39
  character.
• 18:41
  But,
• 18:41
  uh,
• 18:42
  so
• 18:43
  once
• 18:43
  he
• 18:43
  really
• 18:44
  became
• 18:44
  engaged
• 18:44
  and
• 18:45
  because
• 18:45
  he
• 18:45
  told
• 18:45
  me
• 18:45
  to
• 18:45
  go
• 18:45
  to
• 18:46
  the
• 18:46
  national
• 18:46
  parks,
• 18:47
  it.
• 18:47
  It
• 18:47
  just
• 18:47
  launched
• 18:48
  everything.
• 18:48
  And
• 18:48
  I'll
• 18:49
  talk
• 18:49
  to
• 18:49
  you
• 18:49
  a
• 18:49
  little
• 18:49
  bit
• 18:49
  about
• 18:50
  that
• 18:50
  and
• 18:50
  how
• 18:50
  it
• 18:51
  propelled
• 18:51
  me
• 18:51
  being
• 18:52
  able
• 18:52
  to
• 18:52
  raise
• 18:52
  the
• 18:52
  funding
• 18:53
  for
• 18:53
  the
• 18:53
  special.
• 18:54
  But
• 18:55
  I
• 18:55
  was
• 18:55
  a
• 18:55
  little
• 18:55
  worried
• 18:56
  at
• 18:56
  first.
• 18:56
  Ooh,
• 18:57
  are
• 18:57
  the
• 18:57
  national
• 18:58
  parks
• 18:58
  too
• 18:58
  American?
• 19:00
  Are
• 19:00
  the
• 19:00
  international
• 19:01
  broadcasters
• 19:02
  going
• 19:02
  to
• 19:02
  be
• 19:02
  interested?
• 19:03
  And
• 19:03
  then
• 19:03
  I
• 19:03
  discovered
• 19:04
  300
• 19:05
  million
• 19:05
  visitors
• 19:06
  to
• 19:06
  the
• 19:06
  national
• 19:06
  parks
• 19:07
  every
• 19:07
  year
• 19:08
  from
• 19:08
  all
• 19:09
  around
• 19:09
  the
• 19:09
  globe.
• 19:10
  A
• 19:10
  majority
• 19:10
  of
• 19:11
  them
• 19:11
  are
• 19:11
  from.
• 19:11
  The
• 19:12
  visitors
• 19:12
  are
• 19:12
  from
• 19:12
  around
• 19:13
  the
• 19:13
  globe.
• 19:14
  And
• 19:14
  then
• 19:14
  when
• 19:14
  I
• 19:14
  started
• 19:14
  to
• 19:15
  pitch
• 19:15
  it
• 19:16
  loosely,
• 19:17
  because
• 19:17
  there
• 19:17
  was
• 19:17
  never.
• 19:18
  It
• 19:18
  was
• 19:19
  always
• 19:19
  kind
• 19:19
  of
• 19:19
  a,
• 19:19
  we'll
• 19:20
  bring
• 19:20
  it
• 19:20
  to
• 19:20
  you
• 19:20
  once
• 19:21
  it's
• 19:21
  made.
• 19:22
  But
• 19:22
  even
• 19:23
  talking
• 19:23
  about
• 19:23
  Sequoia
• 19:24
  national
• 19:24
  park
• 19:25
  or
• 19:25
  where
• 19:25
  we
• 19:25
  wanted
• 19:25
  to
• 19:26
  go,
• 19:26
  I
• 19:26
  remember
• 19:26
  one
• 19:26
  UK
• 19:27
  broadcaster
• 19:27
  saying,
• 19:27
  oh,
• 19:28
  it's
• 19:28
  the
• 19:28
  Yosemite
• 19:29
  effect.
• 19:30
  Like,
• 19:30
  she
• 19:31
  accessed
• 19:31
  her
• 19:32
  love
• 19:33
  of
• 19:33
  the
• 19:34
  places
• 19:34
  that
• 19:34
  we
• 19:34
  were
• 19:35
  going.
• 19:35
  So
• 19:36
  that
• 19:36
  surprised
• 19:36
  me,
• 19:37
  to
• 19:37
  be
• 19:37
  honest,
• 19:37
  but
• 19:38
  I
• 19:38
  was
• 19:39
  thrilled.
• 19:39
  So
• 19:41
  that's
• 19:41
  my
• 19:41
  answer
• 19:42
  to
• 19:42
  you
• 19:42
  about
• 19:42
  the
• 19:42
  global
• 19:42
  going,
• 19:43
  but
• 19:43
  then
• 19:43
  going
• 19:44
  us.
• 19:44
  And
• 19:45
  then
• 19:45
  I
• 19:46
  will
• 19:46
  say
• 19:46
  we
• 19:46
  really,
• 19:47
  whenever
• 19:47
  you
• 19:47
  like,
• 19:48
  find
• 19:48
  your
• 19:48
  broadcaster,
• 19:49
  you
• 19:49
  lean
• 19:50
  into
• 19:50
  them,
• 19:50
  you
• 19:51
  lean
• 19:51
  into
• 19:51
  their
• 19:52
  brand,
• 19:52
  you
• 19:52
  lean
• 19:53
  into
• 19:53
  what
• 19:53
  they
• 19:53
  need.
• 19:54
  And
• 19:54
  we
• 19:54
  were
• 19:55
  so
• 19:55
  lucky
• 19:56
  that
• 19:57
  PBS
• 19:59
  was
• 19:59
  going
• 19:59
  to
• 19:59
  do
• 19:59
  this
• 20:00
  big
• 20:00
  America
• 20:00
  250
• 20:02
  push.
• 20:02
  And
• 20:03
  because
• 20:03
  of
• 20:03
  that,
• 20:04
  we
• 20:04
  were
• 20:05
  able
• 20:05
  to
• 20:05
  push
• 20:05
  wowzabout
• 20:06
  earlier
• 20:07
  to
• 20:07
  get
• 20:08
  out
• 20:08
  there.
• 20:08
  And
• 20:08
  that
• 20:08
  was
• 20:09
  so
• 20:09
  exciting.
• 20:11
  And,
• 20:11
  you
• 20:12
  know,
• 20:12
  like
• 20:12
  I
• 20:12
  said,
• 20:12
  it's
• 20:13
  exceeded
• 20:13
  expectations,
• 20:14
  this
• 20:14
  special
• 20:14
  for
• 20:15
  them.
• 20:15
  But
• 20:16
  I
• 20:17
  think
• 20:17
  that
• 20:17
  the
• 20:17
  American
• 20:18
  250
• 20:18
  of
• 20:19
  it
• 20:19
  all
• 20:19
  really
• 20:20
  got
• 20:20
  us
• 20:20
  there
• 20:20
  and
• 20:21
  helped
• 20:21
  bring
• 20:21
  on
• 20:21
  board
• 20:22
  partners
• 20:22
  very,
• 20:23
  very
• 20:24
  quickly
• 20:25
  to
• 20:25
  get
• 20:25
  us
• 20:25
  out
• 20:25
  there.
• 20:26
  I
• 20:26
  like
• 20:26
  that.
• 20:27
  I
• 20:27
  like
• 20:27
  that
• 20:27
  deadline.
• 20:28
  It
• 20:28
  really,
• 20:28
  like,
• 20:28
  it
• 20:29
  helped
• 20:29
  me
• 20:29
  clarify
• 20:30
  the
• 20:30
  focuses.
• 20:31
  So
• 20:31
  talk
• 20:31
  to
• 20:32
  us
• 20:32
  about
• 20:32
  the
• 20:32
  funding
• 20:32
  then
• 20:32
  on
• 20:33
  this
• 20:33
  because,
• 20:34
  you
• 20:34
  know,
• 20:34
  obviously
• 20:34
  it
• 20:35
  was
• 20:35
  shot
• 20:35
  in
• 20:36
  the
• 20:36
  Sequoia
• 20:36
  National
• 20:37
  Parks,
• 20:37
  which
• 20:37
  is
• 20:37
  just,
• 20:38
  yeah,
• 20:38
  fab.
• 20:38
  And
• 20:38
  I
• 20:38
  think,
• 20:39
  you
• 20:39
  know,
• 20:39
  Awe
• 20:40
  in
• 20:40
  nature
• 20:40
  is
• 20:41
  not
• 20:41
  culturally
• 20:41
  specific.
• 20:42
  Right.
• 20:42
  Like,
• 20:42
  everybody
• 20:43
  understands,
• 20:44
  whether
• 20:44
  it's
• 20:44
  Iguazu
• 20:45
  Falls
• 20:45
  or
• 20:45
  the
• 20:46
  Sequoia
• 20:46
  national
• 20:46
  park
• 20:47
  or,
• 20:47
  you
• 20:48
  know,
• 20:49
  you
• 20:49
  know,
• 20:49
  anywhere
• 20:50
  else,
• 20:50
  it's
• 20:51
  very
• 20:51
  universal.
• 20:52
  So
• 20:54
  what
• 20:54
  kind
• 20:54
  of
• 20:54
  opportunities
• 20:55
  do
• 20:55
  that
• 20:55
  collaboration
• 20:56
  unlock
• 20:56
  in
• 20:57
  terms
• 20:57
  of
• 20:57
  getting
• 20:57
  the
• 20:57
  show
• 20:57
  made.
• 21:00
  It?
• 21:00
  Let
• 21:01
  me,
• 21:01
  let
• 21:01
  me.
• 21:01
  Like,
• 21:01
  I'm
• 21:02
  going
• 21:02
  to
• 21:02
  roll
• 21:02
  it
• 21:02
  back
• 21:02
  to.
• 21:03
  To
• 21:03
  Dacker
• 21:03
  Keltner.
• 21:04
  He
• 21:04
  is
• 21:04
  a
• 21:04
  force
• 21:05
  of
• 21:05
  nature.
• 21:06
  And
• 21:06
  one
• 21:07
  of
• 21:07
  the
• 21:07
  things
• 21:07
  I
• 21:07
  have
• 21:08
  learned,
• 21:08
  because
• 21:08
  I
• 21:08
  know
• 21:09
  you
• 21:09
  would
• 21:09
  like
• 21:09
  me
• 21:09
  to
• 21:09
  give
• 21:10
  some
• 21:10
  advice
• 21:10
  to
• 21:10
  producers
• 21:11
  out
• 21:11
  there.
• 21:12
  Find
• 21:12
  your
• 21:12
  Dacher,
• 21:13
  you
• 21:13
  know,
• 21:14
  find
• 21:14
  that
• 21:14
  credibility
• 21:15
  and
• 21:15
  passion,
• 21:15
  that
• 21:16
  expert.
• 21:16
  Because
• 21:17
  having
• 21:17
  Dacher
• 21:18
  on
• 21:18
  my
• 21:18
  team
• 21:19
  did
• 21:20
  more
• 21:20
  than
• 21:20
  any
• 21:20
  deck
• 21:21
  could.
• 21:22
  I
• 21:22
  just
• 21:23
  want
• 21:23
  to
• 21:23
  say
• 21:23
  that,
• 21:23
  like,
• 21:23
  we
• 21:24
  had
• 21:24
  a
• 21:24
  very
• 21:25
  clean
• 21:25
  and
• 21:25
  clear
• 21:26
  mission.
• 21:26
  And
• 21:27
  so
• 21:27
  to
• 21:27
  be
• 21:27
  able
• 21:27
  to
• 21:28
  bring
• 21:28
  him
• 21:29
  to
• 21:30
  funders
• 21:30
  to
• 21:31
  discuss
• 21:31
  what
• 21:32
  we
• 21:32
  were
• 21:32
  trying
• 21:32
  to
• 21:32
  do.
• 21:33
  And
• 21:33
  he
• 21:33
  had
• 21:33
  the
• 21:33
  data,
• 21:34
  right?
• 21:34
  We
• 21:34
  had
• 21:35
  the
• 21:35
  data.
• 21:35
  This
• 21:36
  would
• 21:36
  have
• 21:36
  a
• 21:36
  profound
• 21:36
  effect
• 21:37
  on
• 21:38
  children
• 21:38
  and
• 21:39
  their
• 21:39
  families.
• 21:39
  It
• 21:40
  really
• 21:40
  helped.
• 21:41
  But
• 21:42
  it
• 21:42
  was
• 21:42
  not
• 21:42
  a
• 21:42
  traditional
• 21:43
  model,
• 21:44
  so,
• 21:45
  you
• 21:45
  know,
• 21:45
  it
• 21:45
  wasn't
• 21:45
  a
• 21:45
  traditional
• 21:46
  commission.
• 21:46
  I
• 21:46
  feel
• 21:46
  like
• 21:47
  I
• 21:47
  had
• 21:47
  to
• 21:47
  make
• 21:47
  a
• 21:47
  coalition.
• 21:48
  Like,
• 21:48
  I'm
• 21:48
  like,
• 21:48
  everybody
• 21:49
  got,
• 21:49
  you
• 21:49
  know,
• 21:49
  I
• 21:49
  was
• 21:49
  like
• 21:50
  Dorothy,
• 21:50
  like
• 21:50
  gathering
• 21:51
  my,
• 21:51
  you
• 21:51
  know,
• 21:51
  my
• 21:52
  dagger,
• 21:52
  my
• 21:52
  scarecrow,
• 21:53
  Dorian,
• 21:54
  my
• 21:54
  hedgehog.
• 21:55
  You
• 21:55
  know,
• 21:55
  we
• 21:55
  were.
• 21:56
  And
• 21:56
  then
• 21:56
  we
• 21:56
  got
• 21:56
  pbs.
• 21:58
  PBS
• 21:58
  covers
• 21:59
  around
• 22:00
  a
• 22:00
  third
• 22:00
  of
• 22:00
  the
• 22:00
  budget.
• 22:01
  Traditionally,
• 22:02
  as
• 22:03
  you
• 22:03
  know,
• 22:03
  CPB
• 22:04
  was
• 22:05
  defunded,
• 22:05
  so
• 22:06
  that
• 22:06
  we
• 22:06
  were
• 22:06
  never
• 22:06
  part
• 22:07
  of
• 22:07
  that.
• 22:08
  We
• 22:08
  were
• 22:09
  already
• 22:09
  building
• 22:09
  it
• 22:09
  independently,
• 22:10
  so
• 22:10
  we
• 22:10
  weren't
• 22:11
  dependent
• 22:11
  on
• 22:11
  that.
• 22:12
  So
• 22:13
  it
• 22:14
  gave
• 22:14
  us
• 22:14
  the
• 22:14
  ability
• 22:16
  in
• 22:16
  a
• 22:16
  wonderful
• 22:17
  way,
• 22:17
  PBS
• 22:17
  as
• 22:18
  well,
• 22:18
  to
• 22:19
  afford
• 22:20
  more
• 22:20
  creative
• 22:20
  control
• 22:20
  of
• 22:21
  who
• 22:21
  we
• 22:21
  were
• 22:21
  going
• 22:21
  to
• 22:22
  go
• 22:22
  out
• 22:22
  to.
• 22:22
  I
• 22:22
  mean,
• 22:22
  it
• 22:23
  always
• 22:23
  has
• 22:23
  to
• 22:23
  be
• 22:23
  approved,
• 22:24
  who
• 22:25
  we
• 22:25
  bring
• 22:25
  on
• 22:25
  board,
• 22:26
  but
• 22:26
  it
• 22:26
  just
• 22:27
  gave
• 22:27
  us
• 22:27
  an
• 22:27
  opportunity
• 22:27
  to
• 22:27
  be
• 22:28
  more
• 22:28
  flexible
• 22:28
  and
• 22:28
  scrappy
• 22:29
  and
• 22:29
  letting
• 22:29
  us
• 22:30
  go
• 22:30
  out
• 22:30
  there.
• 22:32
  So
• 22:34
  it
• 22:34
  was
• 22:35
  a
• 22:35
  journey.
• 22:35
  I
• 22:36
  mean,
• 22:36
  met
• 22:36
  with
• 22:36
  lots
• 22:37
  of
• 22:37
  different
• 22:37
  people.
• 22:38
  But
• 22:38
  I
• 22:38
  think
• 22:38
  the
• 22:39
  key
• 22:39
  was
• 22:39
  the
• 22:39
  national
• 22:40
  parks.
• 22:40
  To
• 22:41
  begin
• 22:41
  with,
• 22:41
  the
• 22:41
  National
• 22:41
  Park
• 22:42
  Service,
• 22:43
  National
• 22:43
  park
• 22:43
  foundation,
• 22:44
  they
• 22:44
  did
• 22:44
  not
• 22:44
  fund
• 22:45
  the
• 22:45
  series,
• 22:46
  but
• 22:46
  having
• 22:47
  that
• 22:47
  stamp
• 22:47
  of
• 22:47
  approval
• 22:49
  was
• 22:49
  everything.
• 22:51
  And
• 22:52
  thinking
• 22:52
  about
• 22:52
  it
• 22:53
  taking
• 22:53
  place,
• 22:54
  half
• 22:54
  of
• 22:55
  the
• 22:55
  series
• 22:55
  in
• 22:55
  the
• 22:56
  parks,
• 22:56
  and
• 22:57
  parks
• 22:57
  are
• 22:58
  so
• 22:58
  varied
• 22:58
  as
• 22:59
  well.
• 22:59
  Everything
• 22:59
  from
• 23:00
  monuments
• 23:00
  to
• 23:01
  the
• 23:01
  ocean.
• 23:03
  So
• 23:03
  I
• 23:04
  think
• 23:04
  having
• 23:04
  that
• 23:04
  partner
• 23:05
  in
• 23:05
  the
• 23:05
  National
• 23:05
  Park
• 23:06
  Service
• 23:06
  was
• 23:07
  key.
• 23:09
  And
• 23:10
  so
• 23:10
  as
• 23:11
  we
• 23:11
  were
• 23:11
  going
• 23:11
  around
• 23:12
  discussing
• 23:13
  funding
• 23:14
  with
• 23:14
  different
• 23:15
  broadcasters,
• 23:15
  what
• 23:16
  we
• 23:16
  realized
• 23:16
  was,
• 23:17
  wow.
• 23:18
  We
• 23:18
  brought
• 23:18
  on
• 23:19
  board
• 23:19
  the
• 23:19
  Gambrel
• 23:19
  foundation
• 23:20
  eventually.
• 23:21
  Amazing
• 23:22
  group.
• 23:22
  Their
• 23:22
  whole
• 23:23
  initiative
• 23:23
  is
• 23:24
  to
• 23:24
  just,
• 23:24
  you
• 23:24
  know,
• 23:25
  build
• 23:25
  community
• 23:26
  through
• 23:26
  on
• 23:26
  kindness
• 23:27
  in
• 23:27
  the
• 23:27
  world.
• 23:28
  So
• 23:28
  we
• 23:28
  were
• 23:28
  very
• 23:28
  aligned
• 23:29
  with
• 23:29
  them.
• 23:30
  But
• 23:30
  as
• 23:31
  we
• 23:31
  went
• 23:31
  around,
• 23:32
  we
• 23:32
  realized,
• 23:32
  oh,
• 23:33
  we,
• 23:33
  we
• 23:34
  have
• 23:34
  enough
• 23:35
  that
• 23:35
  we
• 23:36
  could
• 23:36
  actually
• 23:38
  shoot
• 23:38
  a
• 23:38
  special.
• 23:39
  It
• 23:39
  was
• 23:39
  something
• 23:40
  unique.
• 23:40
  That
• 23:41
  I,
• 23:41
  I
• 23:41
  mean
• 23:41
  I
• 23:41
  pitched
• 23:42
  it
• 23:42
  to
• 23:42
  PBS
• 23:43
  and
• 23:43
  our
• 23:44
  funder
• 23:44
  said
• 23:44
  yes.
• 23:45
  So
• 23:45
  they
• 23:45
  were
• 23:45
  ready.
• 23:46
  They
• 23:46
  were
• 23:46
  like,
• 23:46
  yes,
• 23:47
  we
• 23:47
  will,
• 23:47
  we
• 23:47
  will
• 23:48
  allocate
• 23:48
  it
• 23:48
  towards
• 23:49
  this
• 23:50
  again.
• 23:50
  I
• 23:51
  just
• 23:51
  felt
• 23:51
  like
• 23:52
  just
• 23:52
  doing
• 23:52
  the
• 23:53
  traditional
• 23:53
  development
• 23:54
  and
• 23:54
  American
• 23:55
  250
• 23:55
  helped
• 23:56
  too.
• 23:56
  So
• 23:56
  let
• 23:56
  me
• 23:56
  just
• 23:56
  keep
• 23:57
  that
• 23:57
  on
• 23:57
  the
• 23:57
  table.
• 23:57
  But
• 23:58
  that
• 23:58
  traditional
• 23:59
  development
• 23:59
  model
• 24:00
  of
• 24:00
  script
• 24:01
  then,
• 24:01
  you
• 24:02
  know,
• 24:02
  pilot
• 24:03
  funding
• 24:03
  or
• 24:04
  concept.
• 24:04
  We
• 24:05
  had
• 24:05
  already
• 24:05
  done
• 24:05
  a
• 24:05
  proof
• 24:06
  of
• 24:06
  concept.
• 24:06
  That's
• 24:07
  how
• 24:07
  I,
• 24:07
  that's
• 24:07
  how
• 24:07
  I
• 24:08
  took
• 24:08
  it
• 24:08
  out
• 24:08
  to
• 24:08
  the
• 24:08
  marketplace.
• 24:09
  I
• 24:10
  convinced
• 24:10
  Tencent
• 24:10
  to
• 24:11
  spend
• 24:12
  our
• 24:13
  yearly
• 24:13
  development
• 24:13
  budget
• 24:14
  to
• 24:14
  do
• 24:14
  this
• 24:15
  short
• 24:15
  film
• 24:16
  to
• 24:16
  show
• 24:17
  these
• 24:17
  puppets
• 24:17
  out
• 24:17
  in
• 24:18
  the
• 24:18
  world.
• 24:19
  But
• 24:19
  it
• 24:19
  just
• 24:20
  felt
• 24:20
  we
• 24:21
  were
• 24:21
  able
• 24:21
  to
• 24:21
  convince
• 24:21
  PBS
• 24:22
  if
• 24:22
  we
• 24:22
  could
• 24:23
  fund
• 24:23
  a
• 24:23
  special
• 24:24
  which
• 24:25
  we
• 24:25
  had
• 24:25
  raised
• 24:25
  the
• 24:25
  money
• 24:26
  for,
• 24:26
  this
• 24:27
  would
• 24:27
  be
• 24:27
  the
• 24:27
  best
• 24:27
  way
• 24:28
  to
• 24:28
  introduce
• 24:29
  this
• 24:29
  franchise
• 24:30
  to
• 24:30
  the
• 24:30
  world
• 24:31
  as
• 24:31
  a
• 24:31
  proof
• 24:31
  of
• 24:32
  concept
• 24:32
  that
• 24:32
  we
• 24:32
  could
• 24:32
  research
• 24:33
  and
• 24:33
  see
• 24:33
  if
• 24:33
  it's
• 24:34
  worthy
• 24:34
  of
• 24:34
  a
• 24:34
  series.
• 24:35
  And
• 24:36
  then
• 24:36
  it
• 24:36
  just
• 24:36
  kept
• 24:37
  snowballing.
• 24:38
  So.
• 24:39
  Oh,
• 24:40
  and
• 24:40
  I
• 24:40
  just
• 24:40
  want
• 24:40
  to
• 24:40
  say
• 24:41
  one
• 24:41
  more
• 24:41
  thing.
• 24:41
  The
• 24:41
  other,
• 24:42
  the
• 24:42
  other
• 24:42
  person,
• 24:42
  the
• 24:43
  other
• 24:43
  thing
• 24:43
  about
• 24:43
  PBS
• 24:44
  is
• 24:44
  you
• 24:44
  can
• 24:44
  bring
• 24:44
  on
• 24:44
  foundations,
• 24:45
  you
• 24:45
  can
• 24:45
  bring
• 24:45
  on
• 24:46
  grants,
• 24:46
  but
• 24:46
  also
• 24:47
  private
• 24:47
  funding.
• 24:48
  So
• 24:48
  we
• 24:48
  were
• 24:49
  able
• 24:49
  to
• 24:49
  bring
• 24:49
  on
• 24:49
  private
• 24:50
  funding
• 24:50
  with
• 24:50
  Evan
• 24:51
  Christina
• 24:51
  Sharp.
• 24:52
  Evan
• 24:52
  is
• 24:52
  one
• 24:53
  of
• 24:53
  the
• 24:53
  co
• 24:53
  founders
• 24:53
  of
• 24:53
  Pinterest,
• 24:54
  but
• 24:54
  his
• 24:55
  parents
• 24:55
  were
• 24:55
  park
• 24:55
  rangers
• 24:57
  and
• 24:57
  he
• 24:57
  and
• 24:58
  his
• 24:58
  wife
• 24:58
  are
• 24:58
  young
• 24:59
  parents
• 24:59
  and
• 24:59
  they're
• 25:00
  like,
• 25:00
  let's
• 25:00
  do
• 25:01
  it.
• 25:01
  Let's
• 25:01
  celebrate,
• 25:02
  you
• 25:02
  know,
• 25:03
  Dacher's
• 25:03
  work,
• 25:03
  the
• 25:04
  national
• 25:04
  parks.
• 25:05
  So
• 25:05
  it
• 25:06
  just
• 25:07
  this
• 25:07
  PBS
• 25:08
  model
• 25:09
  for
• 25:09
  this
• 25:09
  particular
• 25:10
  project
• 25:10
  worked
• 25:11
  perfectly.
• 25:12
  I
• 25:12
  was
• 25:13
  just
• 25:13
  going
• 25:13
  to
• 25:13
  ask
• 25:13
  quick
• 25:13
  question.
• 25:14
  Is
• 25:14
  there
• 25:14
  an
• 25:15
  optimum
• 25:15
  number
• 25:16
  of
• 25:16
  those
• 25:17
  mission
• 25:17
  aligned
• 25:18
  partners
• 25:18
  to
• 25:18
  have,
• 25:19
  you
• 25:19
  know
• 25:19
  like
• 25:20
  the
• 25:20
  national
• 25:21
  parks
• 25:21
  and
• 25:21
  like
• 25:22
  Dhaka
• 25:22
  to
• 25:23
  unlock
• 25:23
  that
• 25:23
  funding?
• 25:24
  Is
• 25:24
  it
• 25:24
  a
• 25:24
  question
• 25:24
  of
• 25:25
  the
• 25:25
  more
• 25:25
  the
• 25:25
  merrier
• 25:26
  or
• 25:26
  do
• 25:26
  you
• 25:26
  need
• 25:26
  to
• 25:26
  be
• 25:26
  strategic?
• 25:29
  I
• 25:29
  think
• 25:30
  you
• 25:30
  need
• 25:30
  to
• 25:30
  be
• 25:30
  strategic
• 25:31
  and
• 25:31
  I
• 25:31
  think
• 25:31
  that,
• 25:32
  I
• 25:33
  mean
• 25:33
  I
• 25:33
  do
• 25:33
  like
• 25:34
  the
• 25:34
  more
• 25:34
  the
• 25:34
  merrier
• 25:35
  but
• 25:36
  want
• 25:37
  those
• 25:37
  partners
• 25:37
  to
• 25:38
  be
• 25:38
  partners
• 25:38
  that
• 25:39
  make
• 25:39
  sense
• 25:40
  mission
• 25:40
  wise,
• 25:41
  but
• 25:41
  also
• 25:41
  marketing
• 25:42
  wise.
• 25:42
  Right.
• 25:43
  So
• 25:43
  we're
• 25:44
  doing
• 25:44
  actually
• 25:45
  a
• 25:45
  whole
• 25:45
  live
• 25:46
  event
• 25:46
  with
• 25:46
  the
• 25:46
  National
• 25:47
  Gallery
• 25:48
  hopefully
• 25:49
  in
• 25:49
  October.
• 25:50
  That's
• 25:51
  a
• 25:51
  big,
• 25:51
  you
• 25:51
  know,
• 25:52
  that's
• 25:52
  a
• 25:52
  big
• 25:52
  draw.
• 25:53
  So
• 25:54
  I
• 25:54
  think
• 25:55
  that
• 25:56
  not
• 25:56
  going
• 25:56
  to
• 25:57
  necessarily
• 25:57
  like
• 25:58
  a
• 25:58
  local
• 25:58
  museum
• 25:59
  that
• 25:59
  may
• 26:00
  not
• 26:00
  have
• 26:00
  as
• 26:00
  much
• 26:01
  credibility.
• 26:02
  So
• 26:03
  I
• 26:03
  think
• 26:03
  it
• 26:03
  needs
• 26:03
  to
• 26:03
  be
• 26:04
  partners
• 26:04
  that
• 26:06
  are
• 26:06
  impressive
• 26:07
  either
• 26:08
  from
• 26:08
  a
• 26:08
  marketing
• 26:09
  angle
• 26:09
  or
• 26:09
  definitely
• 26:10
  from
• 26:10
  a
• 26:10
  mission,
• 26:11
  what
• 26:11
  they
• 26:11
  are
• 26:11
  achieving
• 26:12
  in
• 26:12
  their
• 26:12
  mission.
• 26:15
  But
• 26:15
  more
• 26:16
  the
• 26:16
  merrier
• 26:16
  with
• 26:16
  funders,
• 26:17
  honestly
• 26:18
  we'll
• 26:18
  take
• 26:19
  them
• 26:19
  all
• 26:20
  as
• 26:20
  you're,
• 26:21
  as
• 26:21
  you're
• 26:21
  raising
• 26:22
  2/3.
• 26:22
  I
• 26:23
  think
• 26:23
  about
• 26:23
  it
• 26:23
  right
• 26:23
  now
• 26:24
  like
• 26:24
  okay,
• 26:25
  gotta
• 26:25
  now
• 26:26
  raise,
• 26:26
  raise
• 26:27
  the
• 26:27
  financing
• 26:27
  first
• 26:28
  series.
• 26:29
  Yeah,
• 26:30
  more
• 26:30
  the
• 26:30
  merrier
• 26:30
  for
• 26:31
  sure
• 26:31
  there
• 26:31
  because
• 26:32
  Any
• 26:32
  little
• 26:33
  bit
• 26:34
  in
• 26:34
  some
• 26:34
  ways
• 26:35
  can
• 26:35
  help.
• 26:35
  So
• 26:35
  I'll
• 26:35
  give
• 26:36
  you
• 26:36
  an
• 26:36
  example.
• 26:36
  The
• 26:36
  National
• 26:36
  park
• 26:37
  foundation
• 26:38
  did
• 26:38
  step
• 26:39
  up
• 26:40
  once
• 26:40
  we
• 26:40
  started
• 26:41
  the
• 26:41
  special
• 26:42
  and
• 26:42
  said
• 26:42
  we
• 26:42
  want
• 26:43
  to,
• 26:43
  we
• 26:43
  want
• 26:43
  to
• 26:43
  fund
• 26:43
  some
• 26:44
  short
• 26:44
  form
• 26:44
  content
• 26:45
  that's
• 26:46
  very
• 26:46
  specific
• 26:47
  to
• 26:47
  their,
• 26:48
  their
• 26:48
  mission.
• 26:48
  So
• 26:49
  we
• 26:49
  did
• 26:50
  a,
• 26:50
  we
• 26:50
  did
• 26:50
  a
• 26:50
  PSA
• 26:51
  all
• 26:51
  for
• 26:52
  Parks.
• 26:52
  It
• 26:52
  was
• 26:52
  actually
• 26:53
  really
• 26:53
  fun
• 26:53
  to
• 26:54
  do
• 26:54
  and
• 26:54
  we
• 26:55
  may
• 26:55
  do
• 26:55
  another
• 26:55
  music
• 26:56
  video
• 26:56
  with
• 26:56
  them.
• 26:57
  So
• 26:58
  we'll
• 26:59
  take
• 26:59
  it,
• 26:59
  right?
• 27:00
  We'll
• 27:00
  take
• 27:01
  to
• 27:01
  keep
• 27:01
  Roxy
• 27:02
  and
• 27:02
  Ronald
• 27:02
  and
• 27:03
  the
• 27:03
  Zy
• 27:03
  guys
• 27:03
  because
• 27:03
  by
• 27:04
  the
• 27:04
  time
• 27:04
  we
• 27:04
  raise
• 27:04
  money
• 27:04
  for
• 27:05
  a
• 27:05
  series,
• 27:05
  it's
• 27:05
  going
• 27:05
  to
• 27:06
  be,
• 27:06
  it's
• 27:06
  going
• 27:06
  to
• 27:06
  be,
• 27:07
  you
• 27:07
  know,
• 27:07
  like
• 27:07
  on
• 27:08
  the
• 27:08
  air
• 27:08
  a
• 27:08
  couple
• 27:09
  years
• 27:09
  from
• 27:09
  now.
• 27:09
  So
• 27:09
  we
• 27:10
  want
• 27:10
  to
• 27:10
  keep
• 27:10
  up.
• 27:11
  So
• 27:11
  it's
• 27:12
  interesting.
• 27:12
  Like
• 27:12
  we're
• 27:13
  looking
• 27:13
  for
• 27:13
  the
• 27:13
  big
• 27:13
  mockers
• 27:14
  and
• 27:14
  then
• 27:14
  we're
• 27:14
  looking
• 27:15
  for,
• 27:15
  you
• 27:15
  know,
• 27:16
  sustainability
• 27:17
  with
• 27:17
  the
• 27:17
  franchise.
• 27:18
  And
• 27:18
  do
• 27:19
  you
• 27:19
  think
• 27:19
  that's
• 27:19
  the
• 27:19
  new
• 27:19
  reality,
• 27:20
  really?
• 27:20
  Rather
• 27:21
  than
• 27:21
  kind
• 27:21
  of
• 27:21
  the
• 27:22
  traditional
• 27:22
  model
• 27:22
  where
• 27:22
  the
• 27:23
  broadcaster
• 27:23
  or
• 27:24
  the
• 27:25
  distributor
• 27:25
  would
• 27:25
  come
• 27:26
  in
• 27:26
  and
• 27:26
  take
• 27:26
  kind
• 27:27
  of
• 27:27
  a
• 27:27
  bigger
• 27:27
  bet
• 27:27
  that
• 27:28
  really
• 27:28
  it's
• 27:29
  about
• 27:29
  finding
• 27:31
  partners
• 27:31
  that
• 27:31
  think
• 27:32
  alike
• 27:33
  and
• 27:33
  almost
• 27:34
  everyone
• 27:34
  taking
• 27:34
  a
• 27:35
  bit
• 27:35
  of
• 27:35
  a
• 27:35
  bet
• 27:35
  on
• 27:36
  their
• 27:36
  own
• 27:37
  IP
• 27:38
  rather
• 27:38
  than
• 27:39
  waiting
• 27:39
  for
• 27:40
  a
• 27:40
  broadcaster
• 27:41
  to
• 27:41
  come
• 27:41
  along
• 27:41
  with
• 27:41
  a
• 27:41
  checkbook.
• 27:42
  And
• 27:42
  right
• 27:42
  now
• 27:43
  it
• 27:43
  feels
• 27:43
  like
• 27:43
  that
• 27:43
  world
• 27:44
  is
• 27:44
  kind
• 27:44
  of
• 27:44
  like
• 27:45
  that.
• 27:45
  We're
• 27:45
  in
• 27:45
  a,
• 27:45
  we're
• 27:46
  in
• 27:46
  a
• 27:46
  different
• 27:46
  reality
• 27:47
  now.
• 27:48
  I
• 27:48
  think
• 27:48
  we're
• 27:49
  in
• 27:49
  a
• 27:49
  different
• 27:49
  reality.
• 27:50
  I
• 27:50
  think
• 27:50
  we're
• 27:50
  kind
• 27:50
  of
• 27:50
  in
• 27:51
  that
• 27:51
  gray
• 27:51
  zone,
• 27:51
  like
• 27:52
  figuring
• 27:52
  it
• 27:52
  out.
• 27:53
  When
• 27:53
  you
• 27:53
  just
• 27:54
  said
• 27:54
  that,
• 27:54
  Andy,
• 27:54
  I
• 27:54
  thought,
• 27:54
  well,
• 27:55
  that's
• 27:55
  my
• 27:55
  reality
• 27:55
  at
• 27:56
  seven
• 27:56
  crow
• 27:56
  stories.
• 27:57
  Like
• 27:57
  that's
• 27:57
  what
• 27:57
  I'm
• 27:58
  betting
• 27:58
  on
• 27:59
  with
• 27:59
  some
• 27:59
  of
• 27:59
  my
• 27:59
  new
• 28:00
  projects.
• 28:00
  But
• 28:01
  again,
• 28:01
  you
• 28:02
  know,
• 28:02
  we're
• 28:02
  not
• 28:02
  quite
• 28:03
  there
• 28:03
  yet.
• 28:03
  We're
• 28:03
  still
• 28:04
  out,
• 28:04
  you
• 28:04
  know,
• 28:04
  pitching
• 28:05
  to
• 28:05
  the
• 28:06
  broadcasters
• 28:06
  who
• 28:07
  may
• 28:07
  take
• 28:07
  all
• 28:07
  rights.
• 28:09
  But
• 28:09
  I
• 28:10
  truly
• 28:10
  believe
• 28:10
  in
• 28:11
  my
• 28:11
  heart
• 28:11
  of
• 28:11
  hearts
• 28:11
  that
• 28:12
  this
• 28:13
  is
• 28:13
  the
• 28:13
  new
• 28:13
  reality
• 28:14
  and
• 28:15
  it's
• 28:15
  just
• 28:15
  going
• 28:16
  to
• 28:16
  take
• 28:16
  a
• 28:16
  little
• 28:16
  time
• 28:18
  to
• 28:18
  have
• 28:19
  proof
• 28:19
  of
• 28:19
  concept.
• 28:20
  I'm
• 28:20
  excited,
• 28:21
  I'm
• 28:21
  excited
• 28:21
  about
• 28:22
  Wow's
• 28:22
  about.
• 28:22
  I'm
• 28:23
  excited
• 28:23
  that
• 28:23
  like
• 28:23
  in
• 28:24
  two
• 28:24
  weeks
• 28:25
  we
• 28:25
  already
• 28:25
  have
• 28:25
  250,000,
• 28:26
  you
• 28:27
  know,
• 28:27
  views
• 28:28
  on
• 28:28
  YouTube,
• 28:29
  like
• 28:29
  more
• 28:30
  in
• 28:30
  two
• 28:30
  weeks
• 28:31
  than
• 28:31
  some
• 28:31
  of
• 28:31
  their,
• 28:32
  you
• 28:32
  know,
• 28:32
  pre
• 28:33
  existing
• 28:33
  IPs
• 28:34
  that
• 28:34
  have
• 28:34
  been
• 28:34
  on
• 28:35
  the
• 28:35
  year,
• 28:35
  you
• 28:35
  know,
• 28:36
  been
• 28:36
  on
• 28:36
  for
• 28:36
  years.
• 28:36
  I'm
• 28:37
  just
• 28:37
  like,
• 28:37
  yes,
• 28:37
  let's
• 28:38
  take
• 28:38
  a
• 28:38
  bet
• 28:38
  on
• 28:38
  it.
• 28:39
  Yeah.
• 28:39
  Yeah.
• 28:39
  And
• 28:40
  it's
• 28:40
  kind
• 28:40
  of
• 28:40
  empowering
• 28:41
  as
• 28:41
  well,
• 28:41
  isn't
• 28:41
  it,
• 28:41
  that
• 28:42
  you're
• 28:42
  taking
• 28:42
  that
• 28:42
  power
• 28:43
  into
• 28:43
  your
• 28:44
  own
• 28:44
  hands,
• 28:44
  really?
• 28:45
  Because
• 28:45
  I
• 28:46
  think
• 28:46
  the
• 28:46
  problem
• 28:48
  previously
• 28:48
  is
• 28:49
  that
• 28:49
  you
• 28:49
  would
• 28:50
  kind
• 28:50
  of
• 28:50
  a
• 28:50
  lot
• 28:50
  of
• 28:50
  that
• 28:51
  power
• 28:51
  would
• 28:51
  then
• 28:51
  go
• 28:51
  to
• 28:52
  the
• 28:52
  broadcaster
• 28:52
  in
• 28:52
  terms
• 28:53
  of
• 28:53
  how
• 28:53
  it
• 28:53
  was
• 28:53
  marketed,
• 28:54
  how
• 28:54
  that
• 28:54
  show
• 28:55
  was
• 28:55
  discovered,
• 28:55
  and
• 28:55
  it
• 28:56
  feels
• 28:56
  like
• 28:56
  that
• 28:57
  power's
• 28:57
  being
• 28:58
  kind
• 28:58
  of
• 28:58
  distributed
• 28:59
  a
• 28:59
  bit.
• 29:00
  There's
• 29:00
  kind
• 29:00
  of
• 29:00
  maybe
• 29:01
  more
• 29:01
  risk
• 29:02
  on
• 29:02
  the
• 29:02
  producer,
• 29:03
  but
• 29:03
  hopefully
• 29:03
  more
• 29:03
  reward
• 29:04
  as
• 29:04
  well.
• 29:05
  Yeah,
• 29:05
  definitely
• 29:06
  more
• 29:06
  risk
• 29:06
  on
• 29:06
  the
• 29:06
  producer,
• 29:07
  for
• 29:07
  sure.
• 29:08
  I'm
• 29:08
  so
• 29:08
  lucky
• 29:09
  to
• 29:09
  work
• 29:09
  with
• 29:09
  the
• 29:09
  Jim
• 29:09
  Henson
• 29:10
  company
• 29:10
  that
• 29:10
  they
• 29:10
  trust
• 29:11
  in
• 29:11
  me
• 29:11
  to,
• 29:11
  you
• 29:12
  know,
• 29:12
  sort
• 29:12
  of,
• 29:13
  you
• 29:13
  know,
• 29:13
  pursue
• 29:14
  this
• 29:14
  model.
• 29:14
  They
• 29:14
  call
• 29:15
  me
• 29:15
  the
• 29:15
  queen
• 29:15
  of
• 29:15
  pivot.
• 29:16
  They're
• 29:16
  like,
• 29:16
  you
• 29:16
  are
• 29:16
  the
• 29:17
  queen
• 29:17
  of
• 29:17
  pivot,
• 29:17
  Hallie,
• 29:19
  and
• 29:19
  that's
• 29:19
  what
• 29:19
  you
• 29:19
  have
• 29:20
  to
• 29:20
  be
• 29:20
  right.
• 29:20
  Right
• 29:20
  now
• 29:20
  in
• 29:21
  this
• 29:21
  marketplace.
• 29:21
  But
• 29:22
  it's
• 29:22
  still.
• 29:22
  I'm
• 29:23
  still
• 29:23
  figuring
• 29:23
  it
• 29:23
  out.
• 29:24
  I
• 29:24
  have
• 29:24
  no,
• 29:24
  like,
• 29:25
  definitive
• 29:26
  answers
• 29:26
  for
• 29:26
  your
• 29:26
  audience,
• 29:27
  except.
• 29:27
  Except
• 29:28
  just
• 29:28
  like,
• 29:28
  having
• 29:29
  the
• 29:29
  passion,
• 29:30
  being
• 29:30
  responsible
• 29:31
  to
• 29:31
  your
• 29:31
  children
• 29:32
  audience,
• 29:33
  not
• 29:33
  to
• 29:33
  the
• 29:33
  algorithm.
• 29:34
  I
• 29:34
  know
• 29:34
  it's
• 29:35
  what
• 29:35
  everyone's
• 29:35
  chasing,
• 29:36
  and
• 29:36
  believe
• 29:36
  me,
• 29:36
  yesterday
• 29:37
  I
• 29:37
  was
• 29:37
  pitching
• 29:38
  to
• 29:38
  a
• 29:38
  network
• 29:38
  who
• 29:39
  told
• 29:39
  me
• 29:39
  we
• 29:40
  need
• 29:40
  big
• 29:40
  ip,
• 29:40
  and
• 29:41
  I
• 29:41
  thought,
• 29:41
  how
• 29:41
  big?
• 29:42
  How
• 29:42
  big?
• 29:42
  How
• 29:42
  big
• 29:42
  is
• 29:43
  big?
• 29:43
  You
• 29:43
  know,
• 29:43
  like,
• 29:45
  what
• 29:45
  does
• 29:45
  that
• 29:45
  mean?
• 29:46
  So
• 29:47
  I
• 29:47
  just.
• 29:47
  I
• 29:48
  think
• 29:48
  that,
• 29:48
  you
• 29:48
  know,
• 29:49
  it
• 29:49
  all
• 29:49
  I
• 29:49
  think
• 29:49
  was
• 29:49
  about
• 29:50
  is
• 29:50
  proof
• 29:50
  that
• 29:50
  it
• 29:51
  can
• 29:51
  happen.
• 29:51
  And,
• 29:52
  of
• 29:52
  course,
• 29:53
  Strawberry
• 29:54
  Vampire,
• 29:54
  my
• 29:54
  favorite
• 29:55
  story
• 29:55
  of
• 29:56
  the
• 29:56
  year.
• 29:56
  You
• 29:57
  know,
• 29:57
  you
• 29:57
  have
• 29:58
  these,
• 29:58
  you
• 29:58
  know,
• 29:58
  scrappy
• 29:59
  creators
• 29:59
  who
• 30:00
  I
• 30:00
  love,
• 30:00
  by
• 30:00
  the
• 30:00
  way.
• 30:00
  She's
• 30:01
  not
• 30:01
  scrappy.
• 30:01
  She's
• 30:02
  like
• 30:02
  a
• 30:02
  plus
• 30:02
  plus
• 30:03
  Amelo.
• 30:03
  But
• 30:04
  I
• 30:05
  think
• 30:05
  that
• 30:05
  you're
• 30:05
  going
• 30:05
  to
• 30:05
  start.
• 30:05
  No,
• 30:06
  I
• 30:06
  don't
• 30:06
  think
• 30:06
  I'd
• 30:06
  take
• 30:06
  her
• 30:07
  on
• 30:07
  in
• 30:07
  a
• 30:07
  fight.
• 30:07
  You
• 30:07
  know,.
• 30:09
  I
• 30:10
  would
• 30:10
  never
• 30:11
  fight.
• 30:12
  But
• 30:12
  I
• 30:12
  think
• 30:12
  it's
• 30:12
  like,
• 30:13
  I
• 30:13
  know
• 30:13
  what
• 30:13
  you're
• 30:14
  saying,
• 30:14
  Holly,
• 30:14
  about,
• 30:14
  like,
• 30:15
  this
• 30:15
  is
• 30:15
  the
• 30:15
  reality
• 30:15
  of
• 30:16
  the
• 30:16
  industry,
• 30:16
  but
• 30:17
  I
• 30:17
  got
• 30:18
  to.
• 30:18
  I'm
• 30:19
  not
• 30:19
  sure
• 30:19
  that's
• 30:19
  a
• 30:19
  good
• 30:19
  thing.
• 30:20
  Right.
• 30:20
  Like.
• 30:20
  Like,
• 30:20
  it
• 30:21
  is.
• 30:21
  It's
• 30:21
  tough,
• 30:22
  and
• 30:22
  it
• 30:22
  takes,
• 30:24
  like,
• 30:24
  a
• 30:24
  special
• 30:24
  bit
• 30:25
  of
• 30:25
  magic,
• 30:25
  whether
• 30:26
  it's,
• 30:26
  you
• 30:27
  know,
• 30:28
  the
• 30:28
  credibility
• 30:28
  and
• 30:29
  pedigree
• 30:30
  that
• 30:30
  you
• 30:30
  bring
• 30:30
  to
• 30:30
  this
• 30:31
  from.
• 30:31
  From
• 30:31
  your
• 30:31
  years
• 30:31
  at
• 30:32
  Jim
• 30:32
  Henson,
• 30:32
  whether
• 30:33
  it's.
• 30:33
  Yeah,
• 30:34
  like,
• 30:34
  Emily
• 30:35
  Brundage
• 30:35
  is,
• 30:36
  like,
• 30:37
  the
• 30:38
  way
• 30:38
  she
• 30:38
  thinks
• 30:39
  about
• 30:39
  business,
• 30:39
  the
• 30:39
  way
• 30:39
  she's
• 30:40
  able
• 30:40
  to
• 30:40
  act
• 30:40
  actually
• 30:41
  more
• 30:41
  similar
• 30:41
  to
• 30:41
  a
• 30:41
  creator
• 30:42
  than
• 30:42
  a
• 30:42
  traditional
• 30:42
  producer.
• 30:43
  But,
• 30:43
  like,
• 30:45
  it's
• 30:45
  not
• 30:45
  a
• 30:45
  new.
• 30:46
  Neither
• 30:46
  of
• 30:46
  those
• 30:46
  things
• 30:47
  is
• 30:47
  a
• 30:47
  model.
• 30:48
  I
• 30:48
  would
• 30:48
  say
• 30:48
  that's
• 30:49
  like,
• 30:49
  the
• 30:49
  special
• 30:50
  reality
• 30:50
  that
• 30:50
  you.
• 30:51
  You
• 30:51
  both.
• 30:52
  You
• 30:52
  both
• 30:52
  live
• 30:52
  in
• 30:52
  and
• 30:53
  that
• 30:53
  you
• 30:53
  both
• 30:53
  deserve
• 30:53
  and
• 30:53
  you
• 30:54
  both
• 30:54
  earned.
• 30:54
  And,
• 30:54
  like,
• 30:55
  it's
• 30:55
  not
• 30:55
  that
• 30:55
  it's
• 30:56
  some
• 30:56
  gift
• 30:56
  from
• 30:56
  God
• 30:57
  or
• 30:57
  anything
• 30:57
  like
• 30:57
  that,
• 30:57
  but
• 30:57
  it's
• 30:58
  something
• 30:58
  that
• 30:58
  you
• 30:58
  both
• 30:58
  have
• 30:58
  worked
• 30:59
  for.
• 30:59
  But,
• 30:59
  like,
• 31:00
  I
• 31:01
  think
• 31:01
  broader
• 31:01
  for
• 31:01
  the
• 31:02
  industry,
• 31:02
  that
• 31:02
  neither
• 31:02
  of
• 31:02
  those
• 31:03
  things
• 31:03
  is
• 31:03
  a
• 31:03
  model.
• 31:03
  You
• 31:04
  know,
• 31:04
  again
• 31:04
  with
• 31:04
  Emily,
• 31:04
  people
• 31:05
  like,
• 31:05
  you
• 31:06
  know,
• 31:06
  the
• 31:06
  amount
• 31:06
  of
• 31:06
  conversations
• 31:07
  we
• 31:07
  had
• 31:07
  after
• 31:07
  we
• 31:07
  did
• 31:07
  a
• 31:08
  Recent
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  when
• 34:56
  things
• 34:56
  seem
• 34:56
  to
• 34:56
  be
• 34:56
  working
• 34:57
  against
• 34:57
  you?
• 34:59
  Well,
• 34:59
  I'm.
• 35:00
  I
• 35:00
  am
• 35:00
  a
• 35:00
  joyful
• 35:01
  human
• 35:01
  being,
• 35:02
  as
• 35:02
  you
• 35:03
  can
• 35:03
  tell.
• 35:04
  I
• 35:04
  love
• 35:05
  what
• 35:05
  I
• 35:05
  do.
• 35:05
  I
• 35:06
  love
• 35:06
  children's
• 35:07
  media.
• 35:07
  I
• 35:07
  love
• 35:08
  it,
• 35:08
  love
• 35:08
  it
• 35:08
  with
• 35:08
  all
• 35:09
  of
• 35:09
  my
• 35:09
  heart
• 35:09
  and
• 35:09
  soul.
• 35:09
  I
• 35:10
  always
• 35:10
  knew
• 35:10
  that's
• 35:10
  what
• 35:10
  I
• 35:11
  wanted
• 35:11
  to
• 35:11
  do
• 35:11
  when
• 35:11
  I
• 35:11
  was
• 35:11
  a
• 35:12
  little
• 35:12
  girl.
• 35:13
  So,
• 35:14
  you
• 35:14
  know,
• 35:14
  I
• 35:14
  believe
• 35:15
  in
• 35:15
  what
• 35:16
  we're
• 35:16
  doing
• 35:16
  as
• 35:16
  storytellers.
• 35:18
  I
• 35:19
  also
• 35:19
  tell
• 35:19
  people
• 35:21
  that
• 35:21
  I
• 35:21
  think
• 35:22
  of
• 35:22
  my
• 35:22
  projects
• 35:22
  like
• 35:23
  my
• 35:23
  kids.
• 35:23
  And
• 35:23
  if
• 35:24
  you
• 35:24
  don't
• 35:24
  like
• 35:24
  my
• 35:24
  kids,
• 35:25
  I
• 35:25
  don't
• 35:25
  care.
• 35:27
  I
• 35:28
  don't.
• 35:29
  I
• 35:29
  love
• 35:29
  that.
• 35:30
  Find
• 35:30
  somebody
• 35:30
  that
• 35:31
  does.
• 35:31
  I
• 35:32
  love
• 35:32
  that.
• 35:32
  Having
• 35:32
  said
• 35:33
  that,
• 35:33
  Sometimes
• 35:33
  you
• 35:34
  have
• 35:34
  to
• 35:34
  put
• 35:34
  your
• 35:34
  kids
• 35:34
  over
• 35:34
  here.
• 35:35
  You're
• 35:35
  like,
• 35:35
  okay,
• 35:35
  this
• 35:36
  is
• 35:36
  just
• 35:36
  not
• 35:36
  your
• 35:36
  time,
• 35:37
  and
• 35:37
  that's
• 35:37
  fine.
• 35:38
  But,
• 35:38
  like,
• 35:38
  everything
• 35:39
  I
• 35:39
  work
• 35:39
  on
• 35:39
  is.
• 35:40
  Is
• 35:40
  my
• 35:40
  dream
• 35:41
  project.
• 35:41
  Right?
• 35:42
  So
• 35:43
  I,
• 35:44
  you
• 35:44
  know,
• 35:44
  I
• 35:44
  will
• 35:44
  not
• 35:45
  be
• 35:45
  deterred.
• 35:45
  But
• 35:46
  sometimes
• 35:46
  I
• 35:46
  know
• 35:47
  when
• 35:47
  to
• 35:47
  stop.
• 35:47
  I
• 35:47
  do.
• 35:48
  I'm
• 35:48
  like,
• 35:48
  okay,
• 35:48
  we're
• 35:49
  just
• 35:49
  gonna.
• 35:49
  We're
• 35:49
  just
• 35:50
  gonna
• 35:50
  put
• 35:50
  this.
• 35:50
  I
• 35:50
  call
• 35:50
  it
• 35:51
  the.
• 35:51
  You
• 35:51
  remember
• 35:51
  the
• 35:52
  island
• 35:52
  of
• 35:52
  Lost
• 35:52
  toys?
• 35:53
  And
• 35:53
  Santa
• 35:54
  Claus
• 35:54
  is
• 35:54
  coming
• 35:54
  to.
• 35:54
  It's
• 35:54
  my
• 35:55
  island
• 35:55
  of
• 35:55
  lost
• 35:56
  pitches.
• 35:56
  They
• 35:57
  all
• 35:57
  live
• 35:57
  there,
• 35:57
  and
• 35:57
  one
• 35:58
  day
• 35:58
  they'll
• 35:58
  return.
• 35:58
  But
• 35:59
  so
• 36:00
  that's.
• 36:00
  I
• 36:00
  definitely,
• 36:01
  like.
• 36:01
  I
• 36:02
  don't
• 36:02
  necessarily,
• 36:04
  you
• 36:05
  know,
• 36:05
  take
• 36:06
  no
• 36:06
  for
• 36:06
  an
• 36:06
  answer,
• 36:06
  but
• 36:07
  also,
• 36:07
  I
• 36:07
  really
• 36:07
  listen.
• 36:08
  So
• 36:09
  if
• 36:10
  there's
• 36:10
  an
• 36:10
  opportunity
• 36:11
  or
• 36:11
  if
• 36:11
  they're
• 36:11
  like,
• 36:12
  hey,
• 36:12
  we're
• 36:12
  looking
• 36:12
  for
• 36:13
  this,
• 36:13
  or
• 36:13
  could
• 36:13
  you
• 36:13
  adjust
• 36:14
  this?
• 36:14
  I
• 36:14
  created
• 36:14
  the
• 36:15
  show
• 36:15
  Sid
• 36:15
  the
• 36:15
  Science
• 36:16
  Kid,
• 36:16
  but
• 36:16
  when
• 36:17
  I
• 36:17
  was
• 36:17
  first
• 36:17
  working
• 36:17
  on
• 36:18
  it,
• 36:18
  it
• 36:18
  was
• 36:18
  all
• 36:18
  about,
• 36:19
  like,
• 36:19
  a
• 36:19
  kid
• 36:19
  comedian.
• 36:20
  My
• 36:20
  preschooler
• 36:21
  used
• 36:21
  to
• 36:21
  walk
• 36:21
  around.
• 36:21
  He's
• 36:22
  like
• 36:22
  a
• 36:22
  grown
• 36:22
  man
• 36:22
  now.
• 36:23
  Walk
• 36:23
  around
• 36:23
  with
• 36:23
  microphone,
• 36:24
  telling
• 36:24
  jokes
• 36:25
  on
• 36:25
  the
• 36:25
  playground.
• 36:26
  And
• 36:26
  then
• 36:26
  Linda
• 36:26
  Siminsky
• 36:27
  called
• 36:27
  and
• 36:27
  said,
• 36:27
  do
• 36:28
  you
• 36:28
  have
• 36:28
  a
• 36:28
  science
• 36:28
  show?
• 36:29
  And
• 36:29
  I
• 36:29
  was
• 36:29
  like,
• 36:29
  yes,
• 36:30
  I
• 36:30
  can
• 36:31
  have
• 36:31
  a
• 36:31
  science
• 36:31
  show.
• 36:32
  But
• 36:33
  was
• 36:33
  able
• 36:33
  to
• 36:33
  take
• 36:34
  Sid
• 36:34
  and
• 36:35
  really
• 36:35
  turn
• 36:35
  it
• 36:35
  into
• 36:36
  something,
• 36:36
  you
• 36:36
  know,
• 36:37
  the
• 36:37
  first.
• 36:37
  The
• 36:37
  first
• 36:38
  stem
• 36:38
  on
• 36:38
  a
• 36:39
  preschool
• 36:39
  series.
• 36:39
  So
• 36:40
  I
• 36:40
  listen,
• 36:41
  and
• 36:41
  I
• 36:41
  think
• 36:41
  that
• 36:42
  flexible
• 36:42
  in
• 36:43
  that
• 36:43
  way,
• 36:43
  and
• 36:44
  I
• 36:44
  think
• 36:44
  that
• 36:44
  that
• 36:44
  can
• 36:45
  keep
• 36:45
  your
• 36:45
  spirits
• 36:45
  up
• 36:46
  and
• 36:46
  keep
• 36:47
  you
• 36:47
  innovating
• 36:48
  constantly
• 36:48
  as
• 36:49
  opposed
• 36:49
  to
• 36:49
  feeling
• 36:49
  very
• 36:50
  rigid
• 36:50
  in
• 36:50
  your
• 36:50
  one
• 36:51
  idea.
• 36:53
  So
• 36:53
  that's
• 36:54
  another
• 36:54
  way
• 36:54
  I
• 36:54
  just
• 36:54
  sort
• 36:54
  of
• 36:54
  keep.
• 36:55
  Keep
• 36:55
  up
• 36:56
  the
• 36:56
  energy
• 36:56
  and
• 36:57
  the.
• 36:58
  And
• 36:58
  I
• 36:58
  also,
• 36:59
  like,
• 36:59
  I
• 36:59
  just
• 36:59
  cared.
• 36:59
  I
• 37:00
  care
• 37:00
  deeply
• 37:00
  about
• 37:00
  the
• 37:01
  audience.
• 37:01
  So
• 37:02
  that's
• 37:02
  the
• 37:02
  other
• 37:02
  thing.
• 37:03
  When.
• 37:03
  When
• 37:03
  the
• 37:03
  networks
• 37:04
  are
• 37:04
  saying,
• 37:04
  you
• 37:04
  know,
• 37:04
  we're
• 37:05
  looking
• 37:05
  for
• 37:05
  Big
• 37:05
  ip,
• 37:06
  I'm
• 37:06
  think.
• 37:07
  I'm
• 37:07
  not
• 37:07
  thinking
• 37:07
  about
• 37:07
  that.
• 37:08
  I'm
• 37:08
  thinking,
• 37:08
  what
• 37:08
  do
• 37:09
  kids
• 37:09
  need?
• 37:09
  What
• 37:10
  do
• 37:10
  mom.
• 37:10
  What
• 37:11
  do
• 37:11
  moms
• 37:11
  need?
• 37:13
  And
• 37:13
  that.
• 37:13
  And
• 37:13
  they
• 37:13
  keep
• 37:14
  me
• 37:14
  energized.
• 37:14
  Our
• 37:15
  audience
• 37:15
  keeps
• 37:15
  me
• 37:16
  really
• 37:16
  positive.
• 37:17
  When
• 37:17
  I
• 37:18
  see
• 37:18
  little
• 37:18
  kids
• 37:18
  excited
• 37:19
  about
• 37:19
  wowzabout,
• 37:20
  I
• 37:20
  lose
• 37:20
  my
• 37:21
  mind.
• 37:21
  Yeah.
• 37:22
  And
• 37:22
  come
• 37:22
  here.
• 37:23
  So
• 37:23
  what
• 37:23
  do
• 37:24
  you
• 37:24
  say
• 37:24
  to
• 37:24
  the
• 37:24
  folks
• 37:24
  who
• 37:24
  say
• 37:24
  that
• 37:24
  puppets
• 37:25
  don't
• 37:25
  travel?
• 37:26
  What?
• 37:26
  Do
• 37:26
  you
• 37:26
  agree
• 37:27
  or
• 37:27
  do
• 37:28
  you
• 37:28
  have,
• 37:28
  like.
• 37:28
  I
• 37:29
  have
• 37:29
  a
• 37:29
  feeling
• 37:29
  you're
• 37:29
  gonna
• 37:29
  have
• 37:29
  a
• 37:30
  firm
• 37:30
  point
• 37:30
  of
• 37:30
  view
• 37:30
  on
• 37:30
  this.
• 37:31
  I
• 37:32
  have
• 37:32
  a
• 37:32
  very
• 37:32
  firm
• 37:33
  point
• 37:33
  of
• 37:33
  view.
• 37:34
  Of
• 37:34
  course,
• 37:34
  you
• 37:35
  guys
• 37:35
  know
• 37:35
  I
• 37:35
  do.
• 37:36
  I
• 37:36
  call
• 37:37
  it
• 37:37
  the
• 37:37
  Great
• 37:37
  Puppet
• 37:38
  Prejudice
• 37:39
  that
• 37:39
  has
• 37:39
  no
• 37:39
  data
• 37:40
  behind
• 37:40
  it,
• 37:42
  meaning
• 37:43
  that
• 37:44
  based
• 37:44
  on
• 37:44
  a
• 37:44
  few
• 37:45
  shows
• 37:45
  that
• 37:45
  haven't
• 37:46
  landed,
• 37:47
  it
• 37:47
  becomes
• 37:48
  this
• 37:48
  generalization.
• 37:50
  It
• 37:50
  reminds
• 37:51
  me
• 37:51
  of
• 37:51
  when
• 37:52
  a
• 37:52
  few
• 37:52
  years
• 37:52
  ago,
• 37:53
  broadcasters
• 37:54
  will
• 37:54
  say,
• 37:55
  Preschoolers
• 37:56
  don't
• 37:56
  like
• 37:56
  2D
• 37:57
  animation,
• 37:59
  and
• 37:59
  then
• 37:59
  along
• 37:59
  comes
• 38:00
  Bluey.
• 38:01
  So
• 38:03
  the
• 38:03
  problem
• 38:03
  with
• 38:03
  puppets
• 38:04
  is
• 38:05
  there's
• 38:05
  not
• 38:05
  as
• 38:06
  many
• 38:06
  puppet
• 38:07
  series
• 38:07
  as
• 38:07
  there
• 38:07
  is
• 38:08
  animation.
• 38:08
  So
• 38:08
  you
• 38:08
  can
• 38:09
  point
• 38:09
  to
• 38:10
  the
• 38:11
  shows
• 38:12
  that
• 38:12
  didn't
• 38:12
  succeed.
• 38:13
  Right.
• 38:13
  Believe
• 38:14
  me,
• 38:14
  I've
• 38:14
  heard
• 38:14
  in
• 38:14
  France
• 38:15
  countless
• 38:16
  times
• 38:16
  how
• 38:16
  Sesame
• 38:17
  street
• 38:17
  did
• 38:17
  not
• 38:17
  work.
• 38:18
  That
• 38:19
  doesn't
• 38:19
  mean
• 38:19
  that
• 38:19
  they
• 38:20
  couldn't
• 38:20
  create
• 38:20
  a
• 38:21
  puppet
• 38:21
  series
• 38:21
  that
• 38:21
  does
• 38:22
  for
• 38:23
  their
• 38:23
  audiences.
• 38:23
  But
• 38:24
  the
• 38:24
  other
• 38:24
  thing
• 38:25
  is
• 38:25
  I
• 38:25
  just
• 38:25
  feel
• 38:26
  like
• 38:26
  a
• 38:26
  lot
• 38:26
  of
• 38:26
  the
• 38:28
  particularly
• 38:28
  international.
• 38:30
  I
• 38:30
  think
• 38:30
  it's
• 38:31
  because
• 38:31
  a
• 38:31
  lot
• 38:31
  of
• 38:31
  the
• 38:31
  shows
• 38:32
  that
• 38:32
  are
• 38:32
  done
• 38:32
  with
• 38:33
  puppetry
• 38:33
  internationally,
• 38:34
  very
• 38:34
  local,
• 38:35
  the
• 38:36
  puppeteering
• 38:36
  and
• 38:37
  puppets
• 38:37
  are
• 38:38
  of
• 38:38
  a
• 38:38
  certain
• 38:38
  level
• 38:39
  that
• 38:39
  maybe
• 38:40
  aren't
• 38:40
  as
• 38:41
  premium
• 38:42
  as
• 38:43
  maybe
• 38:43
  some
• 38:43
  of
• 38:43
  the
• 38:44
  series
• 38:44
  that
• 38:45
  we've
• 38:45
  done
• 38:46
  at
• 38:46
  Henson
• 38:46
  or
• 38:47
  Fred
• 38:47
  Rogers
• 38:47
  or,
• 38:48
  you
• 38:48
  know,
• 38:48
  Sesame
• 38:49
  Workshop.
• 38:49
  So
• 38:51
  I
• 38:51
  think
• 38:51
  maybe
• 38:52
  there's
• 38:52
  that
• 38:52
  too
• 38:52
  that
• 38:53
  they
• 38:53
  look
• 38:53
  at.
• 38:53
  But
• 38:54
  my
• 38:54
  favorite,
• 38:54
  I
• 38:54
  have
• 38:54
  to
• 38:55
  tell
• 38:55
  you
• 38:55
  my
• 38:55
  secret.
• 38:55
  My
• 38:56
  favorite
• 38:56
  is
• 38:56
  when
• 38:56
  a
• 38:56
  German
• 38:57
  broadcaster
• 38:57
  watched
• 38:58
  the
• 38:58
  proof
• 38:59
  of
• 38:59
  concept
• 38:59
  of
• 38:59
  wowzabout
• 39:00
  and
• 39:00
  said,
• 39:01
  well,
• 39:01
  these
• 39:01
  puppets,
• 39:02
  they
• 39:02
  look
• 39:02
  so
• 39:02
  handmade.
• 39:04
  It
• 39:04
  was
• 39:04
  like,
• 39:04
  they
• 39:05
  are
• 39:05
  handmade.
• 39:07
  People
• 39:07
  sewed
• 39:08
  them.
• 39:08
  So
• 39:09
  I
• 39:09
  think
• 39:10
  it's
• 39:10
  the
• 39:10
  antidote
• 39:10
  to
• 39:11
  the
• 39:11
  whole
• 39:11
  AI.
• 39:11
  Do
• 39:12
  you
• 39:12
  know
• 39:12
  what?
• 39:12
  That's
• 39:12
  something
• 39:12
  I've
• 39:13
  heard
• 39:13
  recently.
• 39:13
  Yeah.
• 39:15
  Seeing
• 39:16
  the
• 39:16
  thumbprint
• 39:16
  on
• 39:17
  it
• 39:17
  is
• 39:17
  actually
• 39:17
  part
• 39:18
  of
• 39:18
  the
• 39:18
  selling
• 39:19
  point
• 39:19
  for
• 39:19
  sure.
• 39:20
  I
• 39:20
  think
• 39:20
  it
• 39:20
  is.
• 39:20
  Now,
• 39:21
  I
• 39:21
  saw
• 39:21
  a
• 39:21
  lot
• 39:21
  of
• 39:21
  comments
• 39:22
  from
• 39:22
  the
• 39:22
  parents
• 39:22
  like,
• 39:23
  hooray,
• 39:23
  the
• 39:24
  antidote
• 39:24
  to
• 39:24
  AI.
• 39:25
  So
• 39:26
  anyway,
• 39:27
  maybe
• 39:29
  that
• 39:29
  German
• 39:29
  broadcaster
• 39:30
  will
• 39:30
  look
• 39:30
  at
• 39:30
  it
• 39:30
  a
• 39:30
  little
• 39:30
  bit
• 39:31
  different.
• 39:31
  But,
• 39:32
  you
• 39:32
  know,
• 39:32
  they
• 39:32
  haven't
• 39:33
  taken
• 39:33
  the
• 39:33
  special.
• 39:34
  I
• 39:34
  think
• 39:34
  they're
• 39:34
  just
• 39:35
  starting
• 39:35
  at
• 39:35
  Henson
• 39:35
  International
• 39:36
  to
• 39:36
  take
• 39:36
  it
• 39:37
  out.
• 39:37
  So
• 39:38
  maybe
• 39:38
  I'll
• 39:38
  have
• 39:39
  more
• 39:39
  to
• 39:39
  report
• 39:39
  back.
• 39:39
  Let's
• 39:40
  see.
• 39:40
  Let's
• 39:41
  see
• 39:41
  what
• 39:41
  everybody's
• 39:41
  thinking.
• 39:41
  I
• 39:41
  know
• 39:42
  ABC
• 39:42
  is
• 39:42
  really
• 39:43
  has
• 39:43
  bought
• 39:44
  on
• 39:44
  board,
• 39:44
  so
• 39:44
  I'm
• 39:44
  excited
• 39:45
  about
• 39:45
  that.
• 39:45
  But
• 39:45
  in
• 39:45
  Australia,
• 39:46
  I
• 39:46
  feel
• 39:46
  like
• 39:46
  I
• 39:46
  call
• 39:46
  them
• 39:47
  Australia.
• 39:48
  Yes,
• 39:48
  you.
• 39:48
  Oh,
• 39:49
  my
• 39:49
  gosh.
• 39:49
  There's
• 39:50
  definitely
• 39:50
  a
• 39:50
  photo
• 39:50
  of
• 39:51
  there.
• 39:52
  So
• 39:52
  I
• 39:52
  wasn't
• 39:53
  surprised
• 39:53
  that
• 39:53
  they
• 39:53
  loved
• 39:54
  it.
• 39:54
  But
• 39:54
  still,
• 39:54
  my
• 39:55
  poem.
• 39:55
  I
• 39:55
  was
• 39:55
  gonna
• 39:55
  get
• 39:56
  the
• 39:56
  pun
• 39:56
  out,.
• 39:56
  Putting
• 39:57
  the
• 39:57
  or
• 39:57
  in
• 39:57
  audience.
• 39:58
  But
• 39:58
  yeah,
• 39:59
  use
• 40:00
  it
• 40:00
  for
• 40:00
  Australia.
• 40:01
  I
• 40:01
  like
• 40:01
  it.
• 40:01
  I
• 40:01
  love
• 40:02
  that.
• 40:02
  I'm
• 40:02
  gonna
• 40:02
  use
• 40:03
  that.
• 40:03
  Oh,
• 40:04
  gosh.
• 40:04
  Okay,
• 40:04
  Use
• 40:05
  that
• 40:05
  now.
• 40:05
  You're
• 40:06
  gonna
• 40:06
  hear
• 40:06
  me
• 40:06
  say
• 40:07
  things
• 40:07
  like
• 40:07
  that.
• 40:07
  Listen,
• 40:08
  the
• 40:08
  puns
• 40:08
  are
• 40:08
  happening.
• 40:08
  You
• 40:09
  guys,
• 40:09
  I'm
• 40:09
  calling
• 40:09
  time
• 40:09
  on
• 40:10
  this
• 40:10
  interview.
• 40:10
  We're
• 40:10
  not.
• 40:10
  We're
• 40:11
  not
• 40:11
  going
• 40:11
  to
• 40:11
  Puntan.
• 40:12
  Puppets
• 40:13
  are
• 40:13
  puns.
• 40:14
  It's.
• 40:15
  It's
• 40:15
  a
• 40:15
  natural
• 40:16
  thing.
• 40:16
  Oh,
• 40:16
  listen.
• 40:17
  Yeah.
• 40:17
  If
• 40:17
  you
• 40:17
  work
• 40:17
  in
• 40:18
  kids
• 40:18
  media,
• 40:18
  puns
• 40:18
  are
• 40:18
  your
• 40:18
  life.
• 40:19
  We
• 40:19
  all
• 40:19
  know
• 40:19
  this.
• 40:19
  But,
• 40:20
  Kabir,
• 40:20
  listen,
• 40:20
  thanks
• 40:21
  so
• 40:21
  much
• 40:21
  for
• 40:21
  talking
• 40:21
  to
• 40:21
  us,
• 40:22
  Helly
• 40:22
  and
• 40:22
  sharing
• 40:23
  your
• 40:23
  experience
• 40:23
  with
• 40:23
  us.
• 40:24
  We
• 40:24
  really
• 40:24
  appreciated
• 40:25
  it.
• 40:25
  Thank
• 40:25
  you.
• 40:25
  Oh,
• 40:26
  thank
• 40:26
  you
• 40:26
  for
• 40:26
  having
• 40:26
  me.
• 40:27
  Keep
• 40:27
  doing
• 40:27
  what
• 40:27
  you're
• 40:27
  doing.
• 40:28
  It's
• 40:28
  so
• 40:28
  very
• 40:28
  important.
• 40:29
  I
• 40:29
  am.
• 40:29
  I
• 40:29
  am
• 40:30
  inspired
• 40:30
  myself.
• 40:31
  So
• 40:31
  thank
• 40:31
  you.
• 40:32
  That's
• 40:32
  awesome.
• 40:33
  Okay,
• 40:33
  Andy,
• 40:34
  do
• 40:34
  you
• 40:34
  want
• 40:34
  it?
• 40:35
  Do
• 40:35
  you
• 40:35
  want
• 40:35
  to
• 40:35
  do
• 40:36
  the
• 40:36
  sign
• 40:36
  off?
• 40:36
  Andy?
• 40:37
  Yeah,
• 40:37
  I'll
• 40:37
  do
• 40:37
  the
• 40:37
  sign
• 40:38
  off.
• 40:38
  I
• 40:38
  was
• 40:38
  gonna
• 40:39
  say
• 40:39
  thank
• 40:39
  you
• 40:39
  for
• 40:39
  an
• 40:40
  awe
• 40:40
  inspiring
• 40:40
  conversation,
• 40:41
  but
• 40:41
  Joe
• 40:42
  beat
• 40:42
  me
• 40:42
  to
• 40:42
  that
• 40:42
  pun
• 40:43
  there.
• 40:43
  You
• 40:43
  guys,
• 40:44
  we're
• 40:44
  cancelled.
• 40:45
  Yes.
• 40:47
  Okay,
• 40:48
  I'll
• 40:48
  sit
• 40:48
  with
• 40:48
  the
• 40:48
  Crypt.
• 40:49
  So
• 40:49
  hope
• 40:49
  you
• 40:50
  guys
• 40:50
  enjoyed
• 40:50
  listening.
• 40:51
  Please
• 40:52
  like
• 40:52
  and
• 40:52
  subscribe
• 40:53
  wherever
• 40:54
  you
• 40:54
  get
• 40:54
  your
• 40:54
  podcast
• 40:55
  and
• 40:55
  we
• 40:56
  will
• 40:56
  see
• 40:56
  you
• 40:56
  all
• 40:57
  next
• 40:57
  week.