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Patriots Catch-22 10/1: 3 Up/Down vs. Panthers, Bills Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 2: Blazarre and Lazarre. Everybody nailed it Joined has always by
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  Speaker 2: power Bar Gablita Risk Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.
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  Speaker 3: Teams that commit ten and more penalties in the last
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  Speaker 3: ten years only win forty four percent of the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you could do that with anything. The teams
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  Speaker 2: that teams that only throw for one hundred and fifty yards,
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  Speaker 2: there's my point. But nobody but because one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty yards is an ab normally low numbers, okay, right,
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  Speaker 2: Ten penalties is an a normally high numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So that's my point. There's no correlation between penalties
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  Speaker 1: and winning. What was the exact I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: miss quote what was the exact thing?
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  Speaker 3: They don't impact with.
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  Speaker 2: The three things win loss as much as three things
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  Speaker 2: that that he highlighted that impact win loss at the
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  Speaker 2: most turnover margin yeh epau per, drop back and rush differentials.
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  Speaker 2: Those are the three things.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, penalties aren't the most impactful thing, not a top
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  Speaker 1: three thing, but.
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  Speaker 3: It can be if you.
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  Speaker 1: Let them become a problem.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really good opening for this week, Alex, because
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna do the good, the bad, and the stuff
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  Speaker 2: that gets you beat. And I texted Alex when I
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  Speaker 2: was doing some show prep, and I said, do we
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  Speaker 2: have anything that the Patriots did in this game that
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  Speaker 2: got them beat or could get them beat? I should say,
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  Speaker 2: since they didn't get beat, could get them beat. And
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  Speaker 2: we had a philosophical discussion last week of can you
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  Speaker 2: win a game and do stuff that gets you beat?
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  Speaker 2: And this week I had a really difficult time, Alex,
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  Speaker 2: thinking of anything that they did in this football game
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  Speaker 2: that belongs in the stuff that gets you beat. It
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  Speaker 2: was really that good of a performance by the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: We philosophically disagree a little bit on penalties, which is
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  Speaker 2: the one thing that you pointed out. And I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to start the show with nothing but flowers, and of
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  Speaker 2: course I'm going right to the stuff that gets you beat.
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  Speaker 2: But it was such a short list that that's the
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  Speaker 2: flowers that this performance on Sunday against the Carolina Panthers
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  Speaker 2: was that good that I really did not have many
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  Speaker 2: quibbles with this game. So we'll get to the good,
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  Speaker 2: the bad, and the stuff that gets you beat. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get to three up three down here today, and I
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  Speaker 2: also sincerely want to do a Bill's preview this week.
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  Speaker 3: You just want to talk about Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 2: No, I want to do a Bill's preview. And the
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  Speaker 2: reason why I'm excited about doing one is because this
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  Speaker 2: is the first time in a long time that I
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  Speaker 2: can remember where it actually matters, like the matchups and
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  Speaker 2: the schemes game and the chess match it all. Actually
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  Speaker 2: we can go maybe and I don't want to get
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  Speaker 2: too ahead of myself, are too excited, but we can
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  Speaker 2: maybe actually go back to analyzing the games, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and actually like talking a show on the draft, like
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  Speaker 2: the matchups and and uh, you know, big games and
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  Speaker 2: Sunday night football and stakes and all that good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a that's the show Rundown for today. We'll
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  Speaker 2: take your calls and emails in the second hour of
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  Speaker 2: the show, uh, and then we'll get us rolling here.
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  Speaker 2: But that's my opening take about this game against the
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  Speaker 2: Panthers was that this was probably the cleanest football game
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  Speaker 2: that the New England Patriots have played in I would
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  Speaker 2: say three years, eight months and twenty six days, which
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  Speaker 2: was the Jacksonville fifty berg.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in twenty one since this, since that from that game,
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  Speaker 1: going back to the end of the twenty one season,
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  Speaker 1: it would I don't remember if we talked. I think
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  Speaker 1: we did talk about this. The last time they won
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  Speaker 1: at home in September. Their starting quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Was last time they won at home in September.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Before this game, Tom Brady, Uh, well, you actually overshot it.
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  Speaker 1: Most people had said Mac Jones is Cam Newton's Cam.
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  Speaker 1: I was close against the Week three That was actually
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  Speaker 1: a fun game. Yeah, the first time they're at five
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  Speaker 1: hundred or better at the end of September since twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: first time they've had and I don't know how deep
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  Speaker 1: you want to dig into this one, Evan. So the
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  Speaker 1: Miami game, they had five different players score a touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: That was the first time, not five. There had been
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  Speaker 1: other times they scored five touchdowns, but there was a
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  Speaker 1: guy scoring two or three.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: It was the first time they had five different players
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  Speaker 1: in a game score a touchdown since that Jacksonville game
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  Speaker 1: that you mentioned and then.
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  Speaker 3: Mac Holland scored.
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  Speaker 1: They had six different players score a touchdown for the
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  Speaker 1: first time since Week two twenty nineteen. You know game
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  Speaker 1: that is Oh no, So here's your touchdown scores. Now
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  Speaker 1: when Tom Brady, Yeah, James White, Brandon Bolden, Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to do this off the top of my head.
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  Speaker 1: There's a linebacker in there. I think it's Jamie Collins.
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  Speaker 1: I'll double check that, Stefan Gilmour and Antonio Brown.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Miami, Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's obviously not something.
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  Speaker 2: Trust my gut more on those.
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  Speaker 1: That's not something that's going to be a regular occurrence.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously having six different players. It was Jamie Collins sixty
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  Speaker 1: nine yard interception return touchdown.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: They had two pick sixes in the fourth quarter that game.
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  Speaker 1: It's not something that's going to happen a ton, But
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  Speaker 1: I think it speaks to how they've built this thing
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  Speaker 1: back up.
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  Speaker 3: Having Josh McDaniels back in the picture.
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  Speaker 1: Did they have I mean they must have, but like,
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  Speaker 1: how many different players scored a touchdown off last season?
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  Speaker 2: More than six, but more than six. But like, I
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  Speaker 2: think the point that you're getting at though, and this
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  Speaker 2: kind of segues into the first part of the goods
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  Speaker 2: as well that I wanted to bring up, which was,
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  Speaker 2: of course, you know, Josh McDaniels and Drake May and
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  Speaker 2: this whole marriage.
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  Speaker 1: So this whole system, by the way, they had eras,
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  Speaker 1: it's not including defense. I don't think they had any
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  Speaker 1: defensive touchdowns last year, right, No, they didn't.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 3: They had won. So they had thirteen total players score
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  Speaker 3: a touchdown last year. They had six in this game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think this comes back to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to start with McDaniels in May obviously, and
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  Speaker 2: you look at this offense, that's a Josh McDaniel stown.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Week one, Kayshaun Boody, right, leading receiver for the team,
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  Speaker 2: one hundred yard game. Week two, it's Remandra Stevenson. Big
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  Speaker 2: Remandra game has the fifty five yard catch, runs the
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  Speaker 2: ball pretty well over one hundred plus yards from scrimmage.
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  Speaker 2: Week three it's Hunter Henry eight catches ninety yards, two touchdowns.
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  Speaker 2: This week it's Stefan Diggs. They do not have necessarily
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  Speaker 2: the quote unquote number one receiver. Maybe Diggs is that
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  Speaker 2: maybe he's starting to come on again post ACL and
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  Speaker 2: we're starting to see the ACL Stefan Diggs come to light.
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  Speaker 2: But on paper, they don't necessarily have a true Jamar
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  Speaker 2: Chase Justin Jefferson Puka Nakua number one receiver, but they've
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  Speaker 2: got great bounce, no balance. We often talk about run
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  Speaker 2: pass balance, but this is also just balance of distributing
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  Speaker 2: the football. Drake May has distributed the ball in the
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  Speaker 2: last three weeks all over the place, like running backs,
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  Speaker 2: tight ends, receivers, everybody is getting looks from Drake May.
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  Speaker 2: And when I think about the Josh McDaniels offense, and
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  Speaker 2: when I think about it at its peak with Brady
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  Speaker 2: of course, but just in general, that to me is
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  Speaker 2: the Josh McDaniels offense when it's at its peak, the
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  Speaker 2: open guy is getting the football. It's not he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily need to be force fed to one player. The
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  Speaker 2: open guy is getting the football. And you're starting to
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  Speaker 2: see that, and I think that in itself is also
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  Speaker 2: a really good indication of the quarterback play that they
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  Speaker 2: are getting because you don't see Drake May having to
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  Speaker 2: force balls into tight windows or force feeding one particular player,
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  Speaker 2: or having tunnel vision for his first read or digs
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  Speaker 2: or what Hunter Henry or whatever the case may be.
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  Speaker 2: And that tells you that that's a quarterback that is
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  Speaker 2: going through his progressions, that's playing on time, that's playing
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  Speaker 2: with confidence in the system that I can pass up
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  Speaker 2: the first read because the second read is going to
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  Speaker 2: be open, and I'm going to trust the guy that
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  Speaker 2: is the second read in the progression to actually get
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  Speaker 2: open on his route. And I understand that, based off
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  Speaker 2: the coverage and based off the look that we're getting,
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  Speaker 2: that that's the right decision here, and I'm willing to
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  Speaker 2: make it. And that's when you start to get a
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  Speaker 2: quarterback that is playing at a different level. And I
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  Speaker 2: think you see that with all these different guys across
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  Speaker 2: the league, and I think that that's a big part,
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  Speaker 2: you know, as we start to talk about the Bills
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  Speaker 2: here too, of Josh Allen's development is his willingness to
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  Speaker 2: take profits and his willingness to not always hunt the
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  Speaker 2: big play or the haymaker, and understanding the importance of
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  Speaker 2: playing in structure. And I think we're just had a
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  Speaker 2: really nice kind of heater right now for Drake May
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  Speaker 2: and Josh McDaniels. In that respect, I want to break
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  Speaker 2: out the McDaniels offense and what we're seeing him run
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  Speaker 2: with Drake May into kind of buckets here in the subcategories,
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  Speaker 2: if you will, because the other element of this Alex.
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  Speaker 2: That I've just been really geeked up about with Josh
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  Speaker 2: McDaniels is how much he has changed his offense to
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  Speaker 2: cater it to Drake may.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder who was talking about that when he got
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  Speaker 1: hired and everybody freaked out.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's really cool to see the different scheme elements
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  Speaker 2: that he's brought to the table. This is not the
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  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels offense circa twenty sixteen. That doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 2: there aren't things in it that are similar Certainly in
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  Speaker 2: the drop back passing game there are similarities, but they
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  Speaker 2: have done some things that I just frankly did not
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  Speaker 2: know Josh McDaniels had in his bag, not because he's
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  Speaker 2: not capable, but because he's never really shown it because
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  Speaker 2: of the personnel that he's had, right, And the biggest one,
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  Speaker 2: of course, is all like the moving pockets and stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that. You just weren't going to do that with
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  Speaker 2: Tom Brady, Like Tom Brady was not going to be
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  Speaker 2: a bootleg quarterback. That just wasn't going to be something
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  Speaker 2: that you were going to scheme with with Brady, and
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  Speaker 2: he was the greatest of all time at a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of other different things, but that was not one area
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  Speaker 2: of his game that they were going to necessarily amplify.
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  Speaker 2: So what the Patriots have done, and as we start
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  Speaker 2: to go into these subcategories, I want to start with
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  Speaker 2: like what they're doing from under center, And they're underneath
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  Speaker 2: center quite a bit as an offense, you know, top
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  Speaker 2: ten in the league there in under center rate old
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  Speaker 2: McDaniels would go under center, they'd run gap right, they
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  Speaker 2: run power, they run lead, they run counter, they run trap,
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  Speaker 2: they run wham, and all these different gap schemes to
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  Speaker 2: get downhill on the defense. But those gap schemes, for
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  Speaker 2: the most part, some of them, and we saw some
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  Speaker 2: of them in this game against Carolina, those gas schemes,
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  Speaker 2: for the most part, do not set up bootlegs like
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  Speaker 2: those gap schemes set up traditional play action pass. So
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots from under center, they have evolved a lot
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  Speaker 2: more to an outside zone duo team so that they
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  Speaker 2: can script some of these bootlegs off of the stretch action.
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  Speaker 2: And then they've also used a little bit of counter
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  Speaker 2: or a trap which also kind of has like a
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  Speaker 2: stretch action element that you can boot off of as well,
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  Speaker 2: with the guard pulling and you boot the other direction.
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  Speaker 2: So they've done a lot of that different stuff under
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  Speaker 2: center that isn't necessarily what you know. We're gonna lead
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  Speaker 2: the full back through the hole, and then sometimes it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be play action pass and he's gonna draw in
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  Speaker 2: the linebackers and we're going to hit a crossing route
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  Speaker 2: or a seam right by the ear hole of the linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: This is a lot more of we're gonna get Drake
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  Speaker 2: May on the edge, we're gonna get him on the move,
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  Speaker 2: and we're gonna try to either push the ball down
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  Speaker 2: the field off the bootlegs, or he's just gonna run
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  Speaker 2: if the flat is open. So a very different philosophy there,
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  Speaker 2: I would say, from what they used to be doing
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  Speaker 2: to what they're doing now. And this is the last
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  Speaker 2: point I'll make on this is just the amount of
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  Speaker 2: motion and the increase in motion which comes with this
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  Speaker 2: style of base offense. Like if you're going to be
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  Speaker 2: an under center, outside zone keeper bootleg team, then you
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  Speaker 2: have to have window dressing to that. You can't just
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  Speaker 2: do it without motion. So over the last three weeks
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  Speaker 2: they've been motioning at sixty two percent of the time
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  Speaker 2: and they're right into the middle above average part of
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  Speaker 2: the pack here in motion rate, that week one motion
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  Speaker 2: rate is still keeping them down for the whole season,
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  Speaker 2: but if we take that out, then they're at about
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  Speaker 2: sixty two to sixty three percent. So they've really adapted
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  Speaker 2: that under center offense to fit the quarterback and to
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  Speaker 2: do it a little bit differently than what they did
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  Speaker 2: with let's say Brady or mac Jones. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that that's just a testament to mcdaniels's willingness to evolve
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  Speaker 2: and to be different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what I talked about when he got
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  Speaker 1: hired and everybody was freaking out about is he going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to run the Brady offense and this and.
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  Speaker 3: That they're too much on his plate or they're too
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  Speaker 3: much on his plate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and it's what I'm excited for now is and
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  Speaker 1: I say this a lot, so I apologize from coming
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  Speaker 1: off to you know, a broken record here, but the
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  Speaker 1: Josh Josh McDaniels offenses, because it's it's always even with Brady,
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  Speaker 1: it's a little different from year to year, and he's
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  Speaker 1: making he doesn't just tweak it for the quarterback, he
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  Speaker 1: tweaks it for the personnel as a whole. So and
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  Speaker 1: obviously a lot of that's around the quarterback. But you
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  Speaker 1: have a running back that can do this, you have
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  Speaker 1: a wide receiver that can do that. Now, YadA, YadA, YadA.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So.
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  Speaker 1: It's never the same in December as it is in September,
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  Speaker 1: and it always evolves and it changes it. Now that
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  Speaker 1: we're a month in and you know, he started, I
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  Speaker 1: think we've talked a lot about the personnel getting comfortable
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  Speaker 1: with the system. I think there's also an element of
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  Speaker 1: Josh mcday niels is now kind of comfortable with the personnel.
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  Speaker 1: And look, you spend you know, the spring practices training camp.
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  Speaker 1: You have an idea of what you have in these guys, certainly,
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  Speaker 1: but I think there is an element of you have
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  Speaker 1: to see it in a game to really understand. And
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  Speaker 1: I think now he's like, Okay, this guy can do this,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to try this with that guy and
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So that clip going around from the
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  Speaker 1: miked up of McDaniels saying to May we're just getting started, right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to see. Okay, this is an awesome start. Now,
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  Speaker 1: what like, what's the next evolution to this? And again
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about the bills in a little bit. But boy,
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  Speaker 1: what a time to start introducing some new elements. Divisional
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  Speaker 1: game prime time. You're gonna need, you know, some help
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  Speaker 1: on the road against the superior team.
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  Speaker 3: I just this is.
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  Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels when he's at his best. It's catered to
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  Speaker 1: the players in the system. It's a little bit different
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  Speaker 1: than what everybody else is doing. He's mixing and matching
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  Speaker 1: different pieces. You do a good job breaking down there
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing with some of the play action stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and I believe he's going to build on it from here.
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  Speaker 1: This is not the final form of this offense. I
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  Speaker 1: don't even think it's close. I think we're probably scratching
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  Speaker 1: the surface just based on how he's done this in
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  Speaker 1: the past, so I know we're not doing ups and
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  Speaker 1: downs yet. But like Josh McDaniel's big up from this
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  Speaker 1: game and probably from the first month of the season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of good points, and I just.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say this too, sorry, cut in with that talk
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  Speaker 1: about him mixing and matching the different pieces, and he's
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  Speaker 1: talked a little bit about this, and Mike Rabel's talked
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  Speaker 1: a little.
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  Speaker 3: Bit about this.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Brown, right, and we all ultimately don't know who's
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  Speaker 1: inputting what.
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  Speaker 3: But as the past game coordinator.
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  Speaker 2: Your station, sir loves loves this topic. What topic.
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  Speaker 1: There's other coaches now, Row h Thomas Brown, Doug Marone,
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  Speaker 1: you know who brings some of that experiences. Some other
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  Speaker 1: guys well, but I'm just thinking off top of my
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  Speaker 1: the guys who've been at the coordinator level and above
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  Speaker 1: Todd Downing, right, who have.
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  Speaker 3: Been in other systems.
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  Speaker 1: While you're shaking your head, no, okay, I'm listening, like
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  Speaker 1: you have to imagine there's some input there as Josh
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  Speaker 1: puts this together, so he's ultimately driving this, he's putting
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  Speaker 1: it together. But yeah, uh we talked to when they
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  Speaker 1: hired him. We talked about this being a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of an all star staff. On the offensive side, you
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  Speaker 1: have two former three former head coaches. I guess if
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  Speaker 1: you want to include Doug Moroon, Thomas Brown, well interim
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Brown, Thomas Brown, Doug Moron, and Josh McDaniels yep, right,
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  Speaker 1: plus Todd Downing, who is a coordinator. Yeah, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I'm missing somebody. I apologize if I am, but
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  Speaker 1: I feel.
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  Speaker 2: Like now in terms of former like high level coaches,
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  Speaker 2: you know, OC's or or head coaches. I believe that the.
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  Speaker 1: The the schematic edge you would expect to have. And look,
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  Speaker 1: there'still a lot of things to clean up, the turnovers,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: right and all of that, but like schematically the stuff
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: that you love where you're like, well, I don't always Kurra.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Wins the game. I just want fun tape.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that side of it, is it safe to
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: say they've checked that box as you would expect from
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: a coaching staff with this much brain power hundred percent?
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Why do you think I'm so giddy about all this?
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Like this is this is uh, this offense and their
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: tape is legitimately fun to break down. Like there's so
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: many different things that they're doing and so many different
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: plays that they're running where I just look at it
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: them like holy hell, is at a great scheme right, Like,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: even if it doesn't work because the execution isn't perfect,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I just know that they're going to come back to
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: certain things here that they're running where you know, like
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: for example, as we kind of segue into like their
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: early down gun package, I wanted to talk about a
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: little bit they ran on Sunday, and I know I
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: talked about this yesterday on PU and everybody made fun
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: of me. They ran counter bash in this game, which
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: is a designed quarterback option, right, it's a our option run.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Quarterback reads the end, he gives it or he keeps
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: it himself on the counteraction. It's actually technically inverted counter
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: bash because the quarterback is the one that was counter
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: counter's GT right guard tackle poll and then the quarterback
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: is actually the one that would follow the pollers. So
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: in this case here it's actually would be called inverted
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: counter bash because typically the running back would follow the
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: pollers in the quarterback would take it around the edge.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: If the end crashes. I digress. They ran counter bash.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: It only gained five yards. He handed the ball off
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: to Travon Henderson. He probably should have kept it, but
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I think when in doubt, most quarterbacks are coached that
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: if you're not one hundred percent sure that you were
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: going to hit a big play as the runner, that
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: just give the ball to the running back and let
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the running back take the beating and not the quarterback.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: But they only gained five yards on the play, But
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the fact that it's in in the different sort of
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: just wrinkles they had off of this one play thinking
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: about all the different things that they can do with
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: it moving forward, because now they've put it on tape.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Like they snuck Hunter Henry out on a route on
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: the play and he was wide open because the Panther
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: safety has jumped the counteraction and he was just wide
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: open behind the defense for a home run. Like now
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: they can go back to that play and they have
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: that in their bag now because they've put it on film.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: And that's what makes their offense right now so exciting
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: to watch. And you know the gun stuff that you know,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: obviously there's a lot of quarterback read option style plays.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: They're doing a lot of that kind of stuff, Drake
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: May holding the backside or reading the backside and deciding
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: whether to give it or to keep it himself. They're
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: doing a lot of design rollout plays as well, which
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: we saw on the Hunter Henry touchdown in this last game,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: and you just see the impact of Drake May's legs
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: on that play because two guys go to Drake Bay
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: and no guys go to Hunter Henry because they're worried
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: about him running with the football. And then they also
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: have this motion package that they've installed from the gun
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: where they're running a lot of orbit you know, when
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the player just kind of goes right behind the quarterback
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: and orbits around the quarterback like he's the son. That's
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: why they call it orbit motion. So they're doing that.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: They have their spinner series where he's you know, faking
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: it to the orbit motions and the different motions. So
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: this that element to their playbook. You know, the under
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: center stuff is classic pro style, right, but the gun
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: elements to the playbook in terms of the early down
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: offense is college style offense. This is you know, RPO
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: heaven like is what they're running right now with Drake May.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: And so they have all these different elements and you
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: can just you can see obviously the window dressing is
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: huge with me, you know, I love that, but also
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: just leveraging Drake May's legs against the defense. His mobility
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: is now becoming a factor on every single play by design.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: It's not just that he could scramble, it's that he's
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: holding the backside, it's that they're rolling him out of
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the pocket. It's these different things that they're doing to
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: amplify his mobility. And you know, not to keep going
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: back to it, but it's just Bills week, and it's
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: on my mind a lot of this is what Brian
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Dable did with Josh Allen, Like a lot of this
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: is similar to what the Bills have done with Josh Allen,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: and I just look at it and I just think
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: it's just hitting more notes with Drake May. And then
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: the last bucket that I had here was just their
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: traditional dropback passing game, which is a lot more of
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: what the old McDaniel's stuff is. Like, this is when
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: you see a lot more of you know, the double
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: digs and the middle reads and the daggers and the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: underformations and the bunches and like all these different stuff.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: So they're doing, you know, what I want to give
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: flowers to in terms of the dropback stuff, Alex, is
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: something that you were hitting on with Todd Downing. Their
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: levels and spacing to their route concepts right now are
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: really really good. And I think some of us had
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: some concerns coming into the year that Todd Downing had
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: never coached wide receivers before, and we weren't one hundred
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: percent certain if that was a great higher. But I
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: think what's been great about the hire so far with
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Downing is that he conceptually. Because of his coordinator background,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: he understands how the routes fit into the bigger picture.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: So he can explain to Pop Douglas and Kyle Williams, Hey,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: we're going to have you run these two posts. We're
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: gonna have you run this Dino concept on the left
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: hand side here, because we're actually clearing out space for
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs to run a crossing route underneath the two
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: deep routes. And even though you might not get the
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: football like, your route is really important in terms of
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: the spacing, in terms of the way the defense plays it,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: So you need to run that route like you are
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: going to get the football. So the two of them
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: take off on the left side of the formation, and
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: the post safety in the deep middle of the field.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: He's got to stay over the top of the two
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: deep post routes because he has no other choice otherwise
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a sixty yard bomb over his head.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: And so Stefan Diggs is just wide open underneath the
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: coverage running away from man to man. So these the
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: elements of their dropback game that I think are the
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: most impressive to me is how well space they are
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: and how well just well, frankly coordinated they have been
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: in that aspect, and we have not seen that really
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: going back all the way to twenty twenty one, Like
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, all the spacing and that type of
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: stuff started to creep up in the Patricia offense and
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: they never really got it out of their system. They
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: were never able to get that back to where it
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: needed to be. In short order, this coaching staff has
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: gotten this passing game back to where it needs to be.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: And I want to talk about Drake May here in
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: a second. I don't know if you had any other
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: thoughts about that, but some of these numbers that Drake
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: May is putting up in the first month of the season,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: you have to like remind yourself that it's only been
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: four games. But do you have any other thoughts on that?
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Just on the schematic stuff.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: And you kind of touched on the motion there from
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: going way back, and I apologize if you mentioned it though.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: It was good. It was a lot. It was good.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: The two play sequence in the second quarter. Yeah, where
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: so first off, and we can get into how they
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: used Remandra in all of that and him starting and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: him playing the most snaps of any running back they've
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: been using a lot of two back, and this is
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: where I get to the elevation of the Josh McDaniels offense.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Right, they've been using a.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Lot of two back, but it's been traditional pony. It's
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: it's Drake May and the shotgun with a running back
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: on either side, or in a handful of times like
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: they used Antonio Gibson as a fullback, right they So
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: you don't know that when you're in the defense, they're
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: in the huddle, you're just like two backs. So they're
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: probably assuming, all right, they're gonna go pony he or
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: whatever this or that they come out. I don't know
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: how many times they've done it before this game, Evan,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you might have this off the top of your head
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: where they came out two back with the running back
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: out wider in the slot.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Like they definitely hadn't done it a lot before this game.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: In training camp. Yeah, and so I knew that that
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: was in their bag, but they hadn't done it necessarily
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: a ton in game yet.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: So they come out, they put Antonio Gibson in the slot,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Vermandra Stevenson behind Drake Manders center. They put Gibson on
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the jet motion yep, hand it off to him, end around,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: good blocks from Hunter Henry and Stefan Diggs. Gibson breaks
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: a tackle, goes to twenty one. Like great play, right,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: good play. You'd show them a little bit of a
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: different wrinkle. They're running back in the slot. You do
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the motion, but if you watch May after the handoff,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: he still kind of leans and it's a fake handoff
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: after the real handoff, which sometimes because you see that
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: sometimes on like draws or whatever, and you know the
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: quarter or on whatever, Like it's a fake handoff after
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the real handoff. But they kind of go stretch left
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: with Ramandre after the end around the jet sweep to
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the right. So they come back the very next play.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: It's not the exact same formation, but again you've it's
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Travon Henderson now and stead out. Yeah, so I know
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: why that happened, But keep keep going Hender, Why what happened?
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Why it was Henderson instead of Gibson.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: But so I think it's Henderson because Okay, you hit
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: them with this, you know jet motion play. Now let's
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: put the guy in who's really the game breaker, who's
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: kind of the ideal person do that.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: That's not why, But keep Okay, finish your post.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Be part of the reason they put him it wasn't
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: They put him in the in the same motion, yes,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and the entire defense comes crashing, not the entire defense,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: but like the linebackers, like all come crashing down to
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: that motion the jet right because may even fakes the handoff.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: He comes back left, stretch, run ramand right he rips
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: it off for twenty two. That's and talking to David
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Andrews on Monday, you know, I got to get the
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: plug in for the Andrews podcast.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, what did David Andrews I think
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: about this game?
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I was waiting, Well, so for that play is really
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: interesting because he kind of talked about how he can
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: hear like a lot of the calls in his head
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: when he sees him. He didn't know what that was.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: That's not something they've run before. That was new, so
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: new wrinkle using the setup to build a shot playoff
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I loved that everything about that sequence that was awesome.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: But why was it?
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you in a second, But I think that
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: just like because I you know, I could talk about
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: motion all day. Yuck, Like this is my wheelhouse. This
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: is why and I know I sound like a broken
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: record when I constantly bring up motion rates and things
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: like that, But this is why I love it so much,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: because the impact that it has on the defense, to me,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: makes it's so much more like important, vital than and
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: maybe some of the drawbacks that it might have for
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the offense, Like the drawback that it has for the
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: offense that I hear a lot of the time from
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: talking to like offensive coordinators and stuff, is that it
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: changes the defense's picture, right, because it's going to change
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: how the defense is distributing after the snap, and you
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: have to have a quarterback that is quick on his feet,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: and I kind of can process that. Sometimes quarterbacks don't
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: like it, like Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers notoriously did
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: not like motion. They wanted stagnant formation so that they
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: could see the shell that the defense was in and
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: then make decisions because if you motion, now the shell
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: changes and so you have to change with it. But
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: that's the drawback that people say with motion. But the
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: benefit is exactly what you're talking about, which is that
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you can really get I can't need to make defenders
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: bite on certain things and then you can hit them
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: in different places. And this is what the whole Shanahan
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Tree has based their entire offense off of. Is you're
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: gonna be looking over here because we're going to put
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: all this eye candy, your window dressing over here, but
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: we're actually trying to throw the ball or run the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: ball over there, and it's really difficult to stay home,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Like it's really difficult. And then you can also have
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: all these different elements off the motion that you can script.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: So now they showed the jet motion with Gibson, then
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: they handed off to Remandre. Well, now you can play
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: action fake off the motion, off the off the handoff,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden you just create this
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: like chain reaction in the defense and that's where you
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: really get those scripted plays going. No, the the reason
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: why the personnel changed was that Gibson landed on the
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: football on the jet notion, he got went knocked out
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: of him and he got he had to come out
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: for a couple of plays.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: So do you think they run that play again with Gibson,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I like, if they were that was supposed to be
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Gibson back to back.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so they's supposed to be Gibson and Remandre again.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: I do think it's an ad element with Henderson his
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: speed there.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It ended up working out and all well in all
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: that elements of that too, so that that's the offense breakdown.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Hopefully I didn't overload you too much with the jargon,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: but it just this toughest. I have to like remind
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: myself to be, you know, to remain calm about this.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: And I would say the same thing about Drake May
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: and some of the advanced analytics in the numbers that
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: he is putting up right now in terms of the
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: efficiency we all. I feel like in some respects, I
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: personally am just set up for failure, Like that's just
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: like the way I think. So I'm just waiting for
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: the shoot to drop, like I'm waiting for him to
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: regress back to the mean or something like that. But
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: there is a chance, Alex that he's just good and
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: this is just what they're going to be. There's a chance.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: The fact that I can sit here and say that
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: through four weeks of the season, the Patriots are third
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: in the league in EPA per dropback. Third in the
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: league in EPA per dropback on passing downs is the
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills, with the MVP of the league, the Green
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Bay Packers and the Patriots. Like, that's incredible. I don't
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: care what four games stretch of the season. We were
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: A lot of other teams playing bad teams too, and
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: they're not out there. Look, there probably is some regression
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: back to the mean here for this offense. This is
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: why I think this weekend's game is so fascinating because
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: they just played one of the worst teams in the
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: NFL and the Carolina Panthers, and blew their doors off,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: which you want to see because the last couple years
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: they've been the team getting their doors blown up.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: But we got to see what they look like.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Against the Panthers, bottom the league, and now right away
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: we get to see what they look like against the Bills,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: which is one of the teams at the top of
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the league. And so we get to come in next
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: week and this is going to kind of be the
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: big thing for me coming away from this game.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Who are they closer to?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Right, even if they don't beat the Bills, do they
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: look closer to Buffalo than they did to Carolina?
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: That sort of thing.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, He's Drake's just been really outstanding, I would say
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: for three straight games. Sam's two plays against Pittsburgh.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I think you can honestly say seven of the eight
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: halves of football he's played have been high level. Yeah,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the second half against the Raiders was still bad, but
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: outside of the first Avaganst Furs he was good, played
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: well against Miami. There's two turnovers against Pittsburgh, Like I
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: would say, he played well in that game. I think
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: that is a winning level of quarterbacking. And then obviously
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: played played well this week. So it's just that one
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: half against the Raiders.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I I look at it and I just
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: think that again, it's just a perfect marriage between the
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: plays they're asking him to run and his skill set
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and it's allowing him to play on time, decisive, accurate
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: with the football. And then there also are still elements
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: in the offense that they're running that allow him to
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: make plays and get out of the pocket and do
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: those different types of things. But they've done a really
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: nice job, and Drake May's done a nice job of
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: kind of limiting those hero ball yolo moments where like
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: he just tries to do a little bit too much
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: and that can get him into trouble. He had one
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: or maybe two of those instances in this game, he
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: threw one over the middle of the field. It was
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: the one incompletion that he threw to Stefan Diggs. Where
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Diggs was they were running dagger, so like middle reed
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: go route in the middle of the field and then
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: a dig from the outside receiver. They call that dagger
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: and Diggs just like Hunter Henry was on the fourth
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: down play against Pittsburgh, Diggs is wide open up the shoot.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: He's they bust the coverage and he's wide open. But
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Drake May has pressure in his lap and he tried
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: to jump throw it off two feet like his two
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: feet were both off the ground and he ended up
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: dirting it. Not the worst outcome that could possibly happen,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: but those are when I see him throw from those
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: like wonky basses and platforms. I'm like, I don't know
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: if we need him to do that anymore, Like maybe
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: you need to do that last year when you just
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: start trying to do anything that you can to move
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: the football. I'm not sure they need him to do
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: that now, Like he can do it conventionally, but the
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: amount of conventional offense that he is doing everything is
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: in terms of their passing game right now, you know.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people talk about, well, when
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: you boot like you're cutting the field in half and
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: that makes it easier for the quarterback, and YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Well a lot of that too, is the defense is
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: reacting because he's an athlete like that. It doesn't work
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: if you don't have a mobile quarterback like Drake May
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: being the one that's booting. Like, if you have a
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: quarterback like Mac Jones on a bootleg, then it's not
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: necessarily going to have the same impact on the defense
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: that a guy like Drake May can have on the defense.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: So so much of what they're doing is leveraging off
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: of Drake May's physical talent and raw ability. I didn't
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: necessarily know this game was tough because he only had
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: twenty one dropbacks, So it wasn't like he had this
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: game where a I had him with like fifteen plus
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: plays because he had fifty dropbacks and there was a
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: whole bunch of plays to come out of it. But
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: in some ways, I kind of like that there's not
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of volatility right now where I'm just looking
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: at it, I'm like, yeah, like, that's an NFL quarterback
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: should make that throw. And he's making it. But that's
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: telling you that the scheme is working and the plays
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: that they're running or working.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: It's consistency. And so what I've been hammering since the
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: beginning with him just has to be more consistent.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: He's doing it all right.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Now that I've waxed poetic about the offense, because which
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: was fun, don't get me wrong, I want to move
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: on to a couple of things on the good side
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: for the defense and just kind of talk about one
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: thing philosophically with the defense before we do that, because
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: that could be a bigger discussion. We wasn't an uproar
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: down in this game. I didn't feel like, but Christian
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Zalez returning is just a good, good element. He played
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: all three quarters that the starters played in this game,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: so he didn't have to come off the field at
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: all in those snaps. So even though I think he
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: probably played like seventy percent of the snaps, this deceiving
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: because they pulled the starters in the fourth quarter, so
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: he was not limited. He was not on a snap
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: count or a pitch count or anything like that. Was
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit rusty. McMillan's a good player like Ted's
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: gonna be a good receiver in this league. But he
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: was maybe a little bit rusty. But in general, I
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: just think it's a good thing overall that Gonzo's healthy.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: His conditioning seems good enough to play one hundred, you know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: close to one hundred percent of the snaps. And this
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: was a good game to get his feet wet because
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: no offense to the Carolina Panthers not exactly the greatest
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: show on turf. So now that we build up to
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: the Bills this week, it's good that he had this
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: one game under his belt before you throw him in
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: there against Buffalo. So what did you What did you
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: think about Gonzalez's return?
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I so, yeah, I think the big thing, like you said,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: he played essentially the whole game. He played as long
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: as the starters are out there, so this isn't going
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: to be a ramp up in terms of conditioning or
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: anything like that. I actually thought the Panthers were one
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: of the few things out credit Panthers for in this game.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: They were smart to test him with a comeback early
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: on right, make him put his foot in the ground
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: and push off and go off that hamstring. And that's
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the one play where he really gets beat, he allowed
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: another catch, but it's like underneath wrap and tackle you.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Live with that.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: So need a more this week for sure, like you said,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: but I it is solid, solid return. You know, nothing
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: mind blowing, But I think you kind of saw everything
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: you needed to see with him to not be nervous
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: about him long term and you go from there.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm just really excited about seeing how moving
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: forward they're going to game plan with Christian Zalez and
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Carlton Davis, because I don't feel like this game was
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: that fully unleashed just yet in terms of, no, we're
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: going up against a team where we really like our
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: advantage of the corners over the receivers. They probably did
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: in this game too, but it just is gonna be
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: fun to see now that when they go up against
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: the guy like Josh Allen, like how the vision of
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: how they envisioned in the off season of using this
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: cornerback tandem and then actually implementing that in a real game.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: And then the other thing I had down here for
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: the defense was, you know, they played pretty good defense
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: after the opening script. I have some quibbles with the
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: defense in this game that I thought the score kind
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: of washed away some of the of the stuff that
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: didn't go so well for the defense. But the defense
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: after the opening script, you know, was what it was. Obviously,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: they basically went three quarters without giving up points in
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: this game. They give up the opening drive touchdown, they
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: give up the garbage time touchdown to Andy Dollon, they
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: went the entire time in between without giving up any points.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I thought, what was really good about the defense other
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: than the individual players, which we'll get to, but they
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: won all of the important downs in the middle of
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the field. Like once the Panthers crossed over into Patriots territory,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: the Patriots were able to hold them out of scoring
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: territory and really lockdown defensively to keep them out of
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: getting points in those situations, which was really good to see.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: My facilitation question for you, is this feels like in
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: this at times? The Patriots defense under Bill Belichick was
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: just this exactly the same way. This feels like a
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: defense that's a we're gonna let the game declaire kind
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: of defense. So the Raiders, the Steelers, and now the
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Panthers all scored on their opening drive all three games
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: at home, by the way, all scored on their opening
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: drive touchdowns right down the field and then, for whatever
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: reason they talked a lot about in the postgame locker room,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: the first fifteen the scripted plays, the Panthers ran like
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: four or five plays, got on the other side of
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the fifty yard line, stalled out, and that was all
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: she wrote for the rest of the game. For Bryce
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Young in Carolina, do you have a problem with them
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: being an in game adjustments kind of defense, because I
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: don't really have a problem with that now. The only difference, though,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I would say, is that the Patriots in the Dynasty
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: era were able to do that because the offense was
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: gonna score, right. So if you get down fourteen to
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: nothing like they did against Pittsburgh, the Patriots knew Tom
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Brady was gonna come back.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: So yeah, there's layers to this, and I wonder if
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: that's why I've Rabel took the ball last week against
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: the Steelers. I don't mind them being an adjusting defense,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: but that's not that's not carte blanche to just be
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: bad in the beginning, right, allow opening drive scores like yeah,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: because when you start facing some of these better teams,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: like yeah, you let the Panthers get up seven, I
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: guess six, nothing you can come back from that when
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: you get to the Bills, When you get to the
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Bucks in a few weeks, the Ravens later in the year,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: when you're getting in the playoff games in a year
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: or two, like, you can't be doing that on a
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: regular basis. So yeah, I think they should adjust as
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the game goes on, but they do got to come
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: out with a little bit more. You can't keep allowing
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: first drive touchdowns every single game. That's not sustainable.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, to go to the bads. Just
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: to segue into it, the opening drive for the Panthers
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: in this game, they averaged ten yards of play on
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: the opening drive. Carolina did just went right down the
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: field on the Patriots, and I thought there were a
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: couple of different things that they did that gave the
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Patriots problems schematically that I am sure teams will try
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: to replicate and hit on moving forward. The one thing
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: that really popped up in this game to me, and
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: again you know, not to keep bringing up Buffalo, but
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: with James Cook in that Bill's running game, they had
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: a tough time setting the edge in this game. Defensively,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: they gave up over seven yards of carry on runs
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: outside the tackles in this game to Carolina. And this
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: is not a Carolina rushing attack that is great shakes
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: like the Bill's rushing attack. Number one team in the
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: league in pretty much every rushing category. So you're about
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: to go up a notch in competition. I don't know,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: and I asked they're outside linebackers coach this question. I
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: think it was last week. Of course I'm blaying on
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: his name. I'll look it up in a second. He
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: said that this is all by design and none of
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: it is like Smith, Yes, Mike Smith. None of this
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: is you know, freelanced or anything like that. But the ends,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: you know, Chason and Landry are slipping inside the tackles
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: a lot. They are like kind of stunting or slanting inside,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: trying to hunt those tackles for loss. And that's all
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: well and good if you replace the edge, right, if
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: a linebacker or nickel corner or something like that is
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: gonna set the edge of the defense so that Landry
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: and Chaison can slip into the backfield and go inside
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: the B gap, that's all well and good. But they
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: aren't resetting the edge, and so they're kind of losing
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: the edge a lot. Now, Belichick. This would drive Bill crazy,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Like Bill would be like, we're not why you going
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: inside the tackle, Like we're gonna set the edge. We're
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: gonna take a bucket step, We're gonna get up, you know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: a yard up the field, and we're gonna sit on
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: the edge. Right, that's what we're gonna do. They aren't
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: really schematically, they're not doing it that way right now,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: so they either need to go back to doing it
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: that way or they need to find a better way
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: to get the force right to get that edge set
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: to the defense. So that was one of them. The
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: other thing that I've seen a little bit on film
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: with them, they're matching a lot of their zones backside,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: so the backside corner is carrying the receiver backside like
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: it's man to man coverage, and then the passing strength
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: is playing zone coverage and that is leaving the flat
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: like wide open on the backside of the formation. So
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: not to pick on him, but a lot of those
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: passes are completed on Christian Ellis right now, and Ellis's
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: eyes seem to like be in the backfield in the
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: middle of the field, and they're not getting numbers out
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: to that flat. So the Panthers multiple times hit the
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: flats on the back side of the formation. So these
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: are just things that consistently happen against Carolina that the
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Panthers are not good enough to sustain offense and make
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: you really hurt for these things. But as the competition
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: ramps up here a little bit, UH, teams are going
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: to be better at hitting on these weakness is last
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: one really quickly. They move Tech McMillan in the slot
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: a little bit in this game, and there was more
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: than one occasion where Jalen Hawkins was on Tech McMillan
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: in the slot. So they're not traveling as often with
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: their corners and not moving the corners as often inside.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: If that's what you're gonna do again, Like teams are
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: going to realize, oh, if we put our number one
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: receiver in the slot and you know, the number three
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: spot in a three by one formation in the slot,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: he's going to get covered by a safety and we're
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: going to love that matchup.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Well, that's where I'm wondering what they're gonna do with Dalton Kinkaid.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: This week, right, you know, whether it's you know, a
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: player like that that's a pass catching tight end, whether
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: it's a player like McMillan that has flexibility to go inside,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: you know, not that I think that he's you know,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: you know how I feel about Keon Coleman. But Keon
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Cohen has the ability to run routes as like a
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: big slot or a power slot too. So these are
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: just things that you know. Vrabel said after the game,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: they did a good job. Carolina did a moving guys
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: around early on in the game. I think that's what
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: he was talking about with Ted. The other thing that
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: he said is that they're going to have to do
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: a better job at disguising defensively, and I think right
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: now it's pretty easy to decipher what exactly the Patriots
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: are doing defensively, so they're going to have to ramp
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: up some of that to improve on defense. What did
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: you think of the defense in this game? Was I
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: thought that this score was a little bit misleading for
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: how they played defense.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you hit on a lot of it, you know,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: the slow starts obviously concerning I think they buckled down
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: in the middle. The big thing to me with this
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: defense right now when they rush for and I thought
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: they're going to be more blitz heavy than they've been
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: maybe that was just a Terro Williams thing, and Zach
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Krr kind of has a different philosophy when he's calling
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: these plays. But when they rush for it's been very streaky.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: And when they get going in when Milton Williams and
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Christian and Harold Lander and Caleb On Chase On, like
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: when they get in a rhythm, it's every play they're
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: getting back there, impacting the quarterback every play, But there's
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: stretches they'll go a driver too, especially early in games
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: where you really don't see much. That's to me where
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: this game changed for the defense. They weren't getting any
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: pressure on Bryce Young until that really that third drive
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: right and once they got it, it didn't really stop.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: But they weren't doing much early in the game. So
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I just want to see I want to be careful
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: about how I say this, Like the numbers are already
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: pretty immense. I don't know, it's hard to ask that
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: group to do more because I think that group's done
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: a ton, but it's been very like a ton here
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: and then none and then a ton here, and it's
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: just like, can you just level it out a little
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: bit more? Obviously, if they're playing at that if it's
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: just a ton all the time. That would be awesome, right,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: but it just feels like there's some moments and blitzing
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: has jump.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Started that at times.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: So maybe some more timely blitzes to get at that
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: group up front going, maybe some disguise helps with that
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: team start preparing for the blitz that isn't there. That's
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: what happened on the big Milt Williams didn't.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Get the sack.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Calevon chase On got the sack, but Milt Williams came
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: right up the middle of Bright Young basically just fell over,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: sacked himself.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Chase On touched him down.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what happened there because if
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: you watch the center, he goes to block nobody and
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: even the guard kind of lets Milton Williams through and
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: looks the block. He doesn't follow Milt Williams around after
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: he gets beat. He stays in his pass set even
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: though there's nobody else coming. I wonder if he was
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: expecting a linebacker. So that's a big thing for me
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: with the defense right now. Like I think some of
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: the coverage just uses. Gonzalez gets back and they figure
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: some things out. You're right, they gotta do a better
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: job when guys going the slot of traveling. I think
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: it's probably Gonzales when another team's going to put a
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: number another wide receiver and a Number one wide receiver
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: in the slot.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I mean they did you know Gonzales covered ten a
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: few times? He did it, Yeah, in the slot. Ted
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: caught that back shoulder from the slot.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Doing that a little more moving Carlton Davison's side on
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: big slot receivers or even tight ends occasionally things like that.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: But maybe that's uh, that might be like post Halloween.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that's something that comes.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: This is sort of the base of what they're trying
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: to do, and they're trying to get you know, that
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: established and trying to get everybody on the same page,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: and that sort of.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: The big thing for me though, And again, I like,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: I want to stress this enough. The front has been
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: really good. The pass rush has been really good. When
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: it's really good.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're, like I just twelfth right now in pressure
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: rate as a team, which is good, I mean much
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: better than was Loud, Yeah, significantly.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm curious how you feel about this. Like,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I just think a little more consistency from that group. Again,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: you're not going to get pressure on every play. I
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: just think the dry spells are going maybe a little
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: longer than they should for what this group is.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: So I see what, you know, a little bit of
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: a small sea concern that we had about this defensive line,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: which I think has been an outstanding on the whole,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: but just the little small sea concern that we had
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: was do they have like a true one on one
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: pass rush guy on the outside right? You know, they know,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: we know about Milton Williams and Christian Barmore, who are
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: on my ups and we're fantastic in this game for
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: the most part. But what we're seeing a lot of
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: now is, you know, teams are starting to pay a
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: lot of extra attention to those two guys. Yeah, you know,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: they're kind of switching off on who's getting double teamed
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: and who's getting the slide side and who's getting the
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: man side, and like all that different type of nuance
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: on the interior of the offensive line that is now
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: being game planned for. Like Millon Williams, and this is
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: a good thing. Like Milon Williams and Christian Barmore are
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Tuesday players, Like they are guys that teams are going
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: into the game saying we cannot allow these two guys
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: to wreck the game. But that really kind of puts
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Harold Landry and calebon Chase on in the spotlight where
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: you're going to get a lot of one on ones
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: on the tackles, and do the Patriots have a true
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: one on one winner in the pass rush? I had
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: on the edge that probably frankly in need in the
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: offseason that we're gonna gonais. Yeah, like that that's right
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: up there with number one wide receiver. If you really
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: want this defense to take that next step is can
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: you draft or sign or whatever a guy that can
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: truly go out there and when he gets a one
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: on one, he's winning, And that that maybe is what
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: you we're missing right now from the pass rush and
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: the four man rushes and the standard four man rushes is. Yeah,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: like Barmore and and Williams are going to create havoc,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: but they're not sacked guys like they're not. They're not
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: gonna be double digit sack players. They're gonna be disruptive,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: creating havoc type of players. So they need those edges
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: to to maybe be a little bit more one on
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: one winning in the four man rush just to move
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: back over to the offense and then uh, we're gonna
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: We're gonna move on from the good the bad, at
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: the stuff that gets you beat, because there's not much
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: to talk about in the bad category. I do want
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about the run game on offense.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: The numbers are not good Alex right now for the
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: rush offense, they are thirty second in the league and
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: EPA upper rush there last in the league in rush
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: EPA they only had a twenty six percent success rate
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: in this game against the Panthers. And if you want
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: the traditional SATs, you know taking out Drake May runs, Yeah,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: traditional runs, jet motions, traditional runs. Three point one yards
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: of carry in this game just on traditional runs and
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: that includes r Mandre having a twenty two yard run.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: So it just hasn't been very good with traditional runs.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: And I just wonder, you know, where you see because
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: this is always a chicken or the egg thing with
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: the running game. Is it the backs or is it
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: the blocking. It's always a little bit of both. And
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I went back and watched all there between the twenties
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: stuffs and to really examine whether or not you know
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: what's going on I don't think that there's necessarily a
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: ton of room. There's probably a little bit more room
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: once they sort of get used to cutting off the
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: blocks and things like that on these outside zone plays.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: There probably were a few cutback lanes that the backs
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: missed in this game. But I don't necessarily think that
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: there was like one hundred and fifty yards of rushing
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: offense that they left on the table. Just what has
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: been your take there, Because when you look at all
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: the charts, the passing offense is like all the way
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: over here, you know, bottom top right is good. Yeah,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: in the pass offense. In the rush offense is putting
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: them in the bottom right because the pass offense is
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: really good, but the rush offense is really really bad.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I still feel like maybe the backs are missing a
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: little bit of feel like they're just kind of running
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: into contact. Like you said, I think there's been some room.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: It could be better, but I think there's been more
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: room that's been there. It's like you said, I don't
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: think it's any one thing. There's been times there's been
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: holes to hit that haven't been hit. There's been times
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: that there.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Just hasn't been holes.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: It just the whole thing just feels a little disconnected
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: right now, and that's something I want. Or as they
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: go on and the backs get more chemistry with the
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: line and Josh McDaniels gets a better feel for the
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: line and how they're blocking it, if that comes along,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: But they do have to get that run game going.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: And I mean we can do the whole thing about
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Drake may design runs again. Yeah, I mean they really
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: haven't called a lot of those.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: You just can't be one dimensional like this forever. Like
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: it's not they're balanced enough that they're not getting stuffed
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Can I just pause every second?
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about Yeah, the Patriots pass game is good,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: but dang, they need to run the ball better.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah they do.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Who would have thought they do need to run this?
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: It's been a minute since we've talked about them.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're they're not getting stuffed a lot, like,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: they're not getting a lot of you know.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: They don't negative runs.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: They just kind of it's these two to three yard
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: gains and that's it.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Right, And so that allows you to keep running the
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: ball right when you're not getting stuffed a ton and
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: you're not getting those negative runs. But they haven't really broken,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: you know, big ones or ones that really inflate those
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: statistics that I brought up. So whenever you're thirty second
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: in the and anything that's not good. Yeah, and they're
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: dead last in the NFL right now in rush EPA,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: so that has to improve. Last last one here. I
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: you know, I had this in the bad category, You're
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: gonna have it in the stuff that gets you beat.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Seven more penalties in this game. Fifty four yards, two
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: penalties by first down by penalties, So not terrible in
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: that category, but the penalties are still creeping up. There's
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: still top ten in the league in terms of penalties
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: called against them. It's a it's a it's a problem.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Like I'm not trying to say it's not a problem.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: They need to get that cleaned up.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: So I have an interesting take on the penalties here.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: So they've they've been called for a lot of penalties,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: but the officials that they've had this year.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: You making excuses for them. It's penalty.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: It's not excuses, it's just well, all right, let me
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: get the whole taken. So they've had Tolbert Ron Tolbert,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Alex Moore, Clete Blakeman, Bill Vinovich, yep, those refs rank
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: and this isn't in the exact order, but first, second, fourth,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: and tenth in flags thrown this year. So they're getting
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: crews that have thrown a lot of flags.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Now it's early in the year.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: So there's the Patriots game makes up a quarter of
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: that sample size.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Chicken or the egg.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Are the Patriots getting refs that are flag happy or
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: do these refs look flag happy because the Patriots are
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: committing a lot of penalties.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: This is so these games are getting way too So
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: here's the gauge.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Here's the gauge. How many.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Penalties are called on the other team in these games.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: And so this game is pretty lopsided towards Patriots, Steelers game,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Dolphins game. In the Raiders game it was relatively even.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: So we'll have to see moving on.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Look, here's where I'm gonna say it's it's not an excuse.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: These guys know every week, like the coaching staff briefs them.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: And it's not just these guys call a lot of penalties.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: He guys don't.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Hey, this crew is a little tighter when it comes
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: to pass interference. Hey, this cruise little tighter when it
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: comes to holding or this cruise, a little looser on this,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: this cruise a little looser on that, and then once
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: the game happens, even if it is maybe something a
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: little different, you still need to know. Okay, like early on,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I got called for a borderline pass interference.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: That's how they're calling it.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: And maybe you see the other team got called for
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: it too, that's how they're calling it. Like, you have
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: to adjust and do that within the game. So the
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: penalty numbers do absolutely need to come down. But I
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: also wonder if there's an element of it being so
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: high that simply they're getting a lot of these refs
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: that are flag happy. So I was trying to find
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: this number year.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: I have it.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: So they've been called for thirty five penalties this year.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Their opponents have been called for thirty two. Yeah, so
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: I do think some of this is the referees. But
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: again you got to know, Okay, these refs are flag
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: hap Like the borderline stuff.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: I can't go there. I don't have that edge in
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: this game.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: So the one thing I'll say about the penalties and
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: then we're going to break and we'll do and.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: By the way, sorry, by the way, just to put
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: the ball on that They have Sean hockey Ley this week,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: who is the sixth most flag happy ref in the NFL.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: He he loves to hear his own. That guy loves
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: himself a little bit too much for me, and I
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: will say that I shouldn't say things like that, but
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: the officials like are really starting to get under my skin.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Well there's another side.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: It's just really too much guys, like we need to
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: these games. Let the players decide the games. And I'm
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: not saying that there's these like blatant penalties that are
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: like literally costing games that I'm seeing every single week. Necessarily,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: it's just the whole thing. So I'll say this, it's
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: on the whole.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: There's another side of the referee thing that I complain
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: about that because you know my rule on complaining about
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: the refs in terms of deciding the outcome of the game,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: you get one a year all sports.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: And this isn't about the paper, it's not the product.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: So this is this is my thing. Like Ron Tour
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: did Week one, there were a lot of flags in
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: that game, but credit toront Torbert and his crew.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: They throw the flag, play ends whistled. He'd quickly get
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: the signal from whoever threw it, call it you move on.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: It didn't drag the game down. A couple of weeks
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: ago into Pittsburgh cleat Blakeman's crew, it was like a
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: forty second conference every time, and and and they had
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: to discuss and debate it, like no, keep you gotta
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: keep it moving. You got if you're gonna throw all
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: you know what you're calling and keep going all.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Of these like ticki tac. You know, you know, I'm
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: a big Ted Carris guy. Ted carri is like bobbing
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: his head a little bit too, like much.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: So there's side of it.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: No, and then like all these like alignment penalties and
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: things like that. You know, the one thing that I
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: don't want to make excuses for for the Patriots, Yeah,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: can we line up on side?
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: They keep on off side? That's on them.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: That and it's they're lining up off side, like you
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: can see it from the overhead angle. You can see
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: it from the dots on next gen like Harold Landry
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: was off side. Like this is what it is.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: This is a separate rant. It's like there's two things
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: you want from an official number one consistency. I'd rather
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: they call it looser than tighter. But if you're gonna
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: call it tight, call tight, call it the same way
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: the whole game. If they're gonna be nitpicky, it's annoying.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: But if they're going to be nitpicky the entire way through,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: as long as you kind of know what is and
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: isn't a penalty, fine number two speed, Like, if you're
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: gonna be nitpicking and throw a million flags, know what
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: the flag is, call it, move on, don't spend two
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: minutes discussing it each time. That's what I look for
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: from the officials. I'll give you one more referee not
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: before we move on. Here I mentioned Sean hockeyy the
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: six most flags in the league this year. He against
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: the home team, so he's throwing fifteen on average, fifteen
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: quarter flags per game on against the home team, it's
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: six and a quarter per game. Against the road team,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: it's nine per game. So that's a that's a kind
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: of a noticeable split there that favors.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: The home team for Sean Hockey. Something to keep in mind.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: I do wonder if all the defensive off sides are there, since.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: That's not the rest there is lining up.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: I know Derek coaching is so get off the ball,
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: fire off off the ball, up the field, violence, like
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: all these different things that they're coaching them on. It's
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: like Anthony Jennings just like jumped one like he was offside.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Harold Andry was lined up in the neutral zone, which
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Calebon Jason's had some penalties like that too. So I
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: had those ones, the neutral zone ones like, that's on you.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Like that. The line of scrimms is the third you
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: don't put your hand on the like, so it's on you.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: We've talked about this and Trent Brown was big on this,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: and we've seen it from other teams that like timing
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: the snap count as an offensive lineman and getting right
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: back into that pass set and you know, you get
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: called for one or two fall starts a game, but
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: you get that extra step. The rest of the snaps
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: is the defensive counter to that. Now, Hey, I'm gonna
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: line up right on the ball. Yeah, and if I
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: get called for one off side to game, but I
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: get this extra half step to counter his extra half step,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: it's worth the five yards.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know that's what it is. It's just me guessing.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Out loud, but I just know that Bets have been
• 1:00:01
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• 1:00:02
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• 1:00:13
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  Speaker 3: I mean I think I followed mostly no you, he said,
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  Speaker 2: if you legitimately, I'm not being like, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, a snarky what's the formula for DVOA.
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  Speaker 2: I can't tell you that it's proprietary sole gate keeping
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  Speaker 2: to me. So the Patriots are thirteenth in offense dv
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  Speaker 2: A good, they're twenty why they're twenty eighth in defense DVA,
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  Speaker 2: which I think tells you a little bit more about
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  Speaker 2: where their defense.
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  Speaker 1: Is at and maybe like points, I didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: open this oul door. Oh yeah, not great, chirp the
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  Speaker 1: secret formulas?
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  Speaker 2: Should we do three up? Three down? All right? Who's
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: your number one up in this game? I think we
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: probably have the same one.
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  Speaker 1: My number one up in this game was Christian Barmore.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, we don't have the same I don't do
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  Speaker 1: him in order, like I just do him in order.
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  Speaker 1: That why why don't you do them in order?
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  Speaker 2: It's who's yours?
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  Speaker 3: Digs?
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  Speaker 2: No, keep going, just give you great, give your take,
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  Speaker 2: give your take.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Barmore and mil Williams, two of them were just really
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: good in this game. Once they got going, that's when
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  Speaker 1: the game changed. And I kind of just talked about
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  Speaker 1: it before. Once they started getting the interior pressure, the
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Panthers were never the same. Is nicey Barmore kind of
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: get to run ring it up a little bit because
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: teams a bit. You talked about how teams are going
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: back and forth on who they're focusing on. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like it's been a lot of focus on Barmore deal
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: with what Milton Williams does, and Milton Williams did a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and so I think in this game maybe it switched
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: a little bit and teams decided, what if we double
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Milton Williams. What can Christian Barmore do? He can do
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  Speaker 1: a lot too, So I was glad to see he
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  Speaker 1: didn't get any sacks. But you know, for people who
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  Speaker 1: follow up pressures and things like that, or just watch
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  Speaker 1: the tape like he looked like somebody is like the
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: resistance bands coming off right shooting with the ankle weight
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: till you take those off and deal with double teams
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  Speaker 1: NonStop for three games.
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  Speaker 3: Suddenly he gets some one on ones light work.
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  Speaker 2: So I had him with five pressures in this game,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Christian Barber who's on my list too, and he just
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: had constant interior push, Like he had one really good
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: rush where he landed to hit on Bryce Young and
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: just dusted the right guard cleanly off the ball, and
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  Speaker 2: that was nice to see. But to me, most of
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  Speaker 2: his pressure was just denting the pocket. And he was
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  Speaker 2: just in Bryce Young's lap consistently in this game and
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  Speaker 2: took away multiple completion opportunities with his pressure. There was
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: one in particular, you know, right before Marcus Jones's punt
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  Speaker 2: return touchdown where he walks the center back and then
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: the left guard comes over and tries to like help
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  Speaker 2: out the center and he actually knocks Christian Barmore over.
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  Speaker 2: But it led to Bryce Young all this trash being
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: at Bryce Young his feet, and so Bryce Young I
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: had to move off his spot and I ended up
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  Speaker 2: missing those.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't talk that sequence probably isn't talked enough about
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  Speaker 1: that change the game because so there's that second hand
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  Speaker 1: where they get the pressure third and ten from I
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  Speaker 1: think the forty one forty three yard line going in.
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  Speaker 1: So what I think they were doing is trying to
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  Speaker 1: catch the Patriots off guard.
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  Speaker 3: All right, if we can get six on a draw
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  Speaker 3: right now, we're going to go for it on fourth down.
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  Speaker 1: And when you're a pass rusher in that spot third
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  Speaker 1: and ten, you're not thinking about my run fits and
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  Speaker 1: I got to get keep this light like you're pinning
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  Speaker 1: your ears back and going. Milton Williams is still able
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  Speaker 1: to get the stop at the line of scrimmage. I
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: don't know that the Panthers are punting there without like
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  Speaker 1: even if they get three yards on that run, they
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  Speaker 1: might go for it at least try long field goal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's a huge run stuff for Milton Williams in
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  Speaker 1: that spot that ultimately forces the punt that Marcus Jones
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  Speaker 1: takes back to the house.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I had them as my number three up here,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: and combined, Milton Williams and Christian Barmer had seven total
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: pressures in this game. Yeah, that big stuff that you're
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: talking about there by Milton Williams. They they are a
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: consistent week to week problem for opposing the offensive lines
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  Speaker 2: to the point where we might need to retire Milton
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  Speaker 2: Williams and Christian Barmore from the ups.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even retire anybody week monthly.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, they're gonna be on it every single week
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: because those guys reckon the game. And my number one
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: up and you like talked about all these other guys.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: I can't believe it. Marcus Jones obviously, and Marcus Jones
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: eighty seven yard punt return touchdown sixty one return special person,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: he was a player of the game. I mean, the
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: game totally flipped. Now. I agree with you that the
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  Speaker 2: defense making that stop sort of started to change the
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  Speaker 2: tide of the game, But the game flipped on the
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: eighty seven yard punt return touchdown. And I often go
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: back and watch those to try to find out, like
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  Speaker 2: who made the block that sprung him on this return,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: because that, to me is really when special teams can
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: can be interesting. There was no block sprung him because
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: he literally did it himself. He made three guys miss
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: and then ran by everybody else. I haven't seen a
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  Speaker 2: whole lot of returns where the returner truly did it
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: by himself. He truly returned that punt return by himself.
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  Speaker 1: Look, footballs and the Patriots been big on talking about
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  Speaker 1: this this year. I think this is something like Rabel's
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  Speaker 1: truly preaching it's all eleven guys, nobody, you know, no
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  Speaker 1: one play is done by any one player and all that.
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  Speaker 1: That's as much of one player doing the job for
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: all eleven as you're ever gonna see. And what's fascinating
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  Speaker 1: about that play to extend the point we were just making,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: so they get that third down run stop it's four
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  Speaker 1: to ten. I still think the Patriots or maybe Mike
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Rabel said something after the game about wanting to get
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: a better push up front against the punt. I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if they were expecting a fake because they had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of their starting defense out there.
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  Speaker 3: When's the last time you think Milton Williams helped on
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  Speaker 3: punt return?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And Kiris Tonga and so these are not How many
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  Speaker 1: times do you think those guys have? Well else play
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  Speaker 1: special teams a lot, But that's true, but that was yeah, sorry,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: how many times do you think Milton Williams's practiced how
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  Speaker 1: to set block and set up a return in his career,
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  Speaker 1: not many, if any, right, So credit to those guys
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  Speaker 1: for not getting in the way and not committing penalties,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: although Milt Williams kind of gotten the way Charles Woods
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: it was the biggest hit of the game.
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  Speaker 3: Although I guess Charles Woods told Williams after the game
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: it wasn't him. Didn't want him to feel beat or something.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know what though, did you hear Mill Williams
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: got asked about it after the giving goes who was it?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: Then somebody in the scrum goles like, oh it Charles Woods,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: he goes, He told me it wasn't him, So I
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: don't know what happened there, But like, credit to those
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: guys staying out of the way, not getting penalized. Kiris
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  Speaker 1: Tonga there was one spot I think it was tong
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: around like don't block in the back, don't block in
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: the bag, and he didn't as much of a one
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  Speaker 1: one guy doing all.
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  Speaker 3: And then the second one too was a really good
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: return and the second one had.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit more help. Not to take anything away
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  Speaker 2: from Marcus Jones, but just to credit those guys, you know,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: mapou Jack.
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  Speaker 1: Gibbons's special teams. They built the wall right to allow
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  Speaker 1: him to reverse field the other.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Thing on the first one.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: To your point of building the wall, I think schooler
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: who is a special teamer, he thinks it's going to
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: be a fair catch. Yeah, everybody thinks it's going to
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: be a fair catch. So I mean that play, let's
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  Speaker 1: not forget. He also had Look, I know it was
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: only nineteen yards. Yeah, in a close game, which this
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: obviously wasn't. A nineteen yard punt return can be massive. Yeah,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: and we're just throwing that away as as a footnote
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  Speaker 1: in this game.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, he was excellent.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: So Marcus Jones, we both had a bar more and
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: plus Williams in my case, who was did you have
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: Marcus Jones too?
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: Or I did?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, who is your next one?
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: So I cause I kind of went like defense off
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: in special teams. This one's a combo. I'll just it's
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: two guys, but I'll do it together because they're related
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: Will Campbell and Ben Brown.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Yep, so Will Campbell dog dog. And obviously the play
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: is going around a ton. You guys posted it first
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: snap of the game. Backside of the run.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: It's not a.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: That blocks he just kind of needs to get in
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: the way there. He doesn't need an impact block on
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: that play. Nick Scorton, though, tries to swim move him
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, that didn't sit well with Will Campbell,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: and he drives him about fifteen yards and puts him
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: on his ass tone setter dog awesome and he look
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: it's not an amazing front.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: But he was on his p's and q's.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Right, they literally cut the guy that was rushing on him.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 9: That was did they?
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah? D J Johnson. Now that's not to take anything J. Johnson.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: That's not to take away anything from Will Morgan. Right,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: it was also tightened. Maybe maybe he should go back
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: to playing tight end, you know. But the point is
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: is that Will Campbell was DJ Johnson.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: It's a shoutout in pass protection, was good in the
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: run game, in this game, and when you face this
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: level of competition, that's.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: What he wanted to dominant him.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was. It was borderline dominant. So borderline
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, I mean, I.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: That's not just because of the level of competition. So
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: but and then I want to throw into that too.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: So because this against Joey Bosa this week, we can
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: we can.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: Let's give Will Campbell's flowers.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: I also want to recognize Ben Brown, who I think
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of people have written off in camp comes
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: back in, beats out Cole Strange, wins that starting back
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: up in here guard. He played what six snaps eight
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: snaps of guard in the NFL in the regular season
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: prior to this game, he was great too, and him
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: and Campbell were working some combo blocks and he looked
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: good in past pro. And you know, we'll see ultimately
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: where this goes long term. Chared Wilson's going to be
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: part of their long term plans. If Bradbury starts to struggle,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: does this maybe open the door more to moving Wilson
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: inside to center? And now you feel where Ben Brown's
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: at his starting guard. When he came from Cincinnati last year,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: texted our old friend Trags said he and I think
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: he means like personality wise, which by the way, is
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: a major compliment, reminds him a little bit of Ted Carris. Yeah,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: there's a little Ted Harris in his game too. And
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: you know, if you go back to it, and I
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: don't know how they would have done it because they
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: had Joe Tuney, Shack, Mason, David Andrews, but like Ted
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: Carris was a starting caliber player and maybe there was
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: a way for the Patriots to keep him involved and
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: keep him around like he kept him.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: Definitely should have kept them in twenty twenty one.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: Well, but where was gonna play?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: What do you mean they traded Jack Mason? They had
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: right garb.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: One Okay, so that was that wasn't twenty one, that
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: was twenty two.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, they should have kept Yeah, so I'm with you,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: but like, does he become their Ted Carris where he's
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: like a super sub, you know, super sub starting caliber
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: and tier offensive linean that can move around and maybe
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: the long term plan is.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: And it's just one game, let's not get too far
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: ahead of ourselves.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: But like, yeah, k, I think that's exactly what you
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: picture something where it's you know, Will Kit long term here,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Will Campbell, Brett Ben Brown, Jared Wilson, Mike on WINNU
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: second round pick in this year's draft, because Morgan Moses
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: has been very good to start his hair and take
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: anything away from Morgan Moses, but he is thirty four.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: He's not a long term option.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: We know that.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Everybody knows that, So like really encouraging to see Ben
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Brown have that game. They're a question about when he
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: make the team, would he fit in the new scheme,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: whereas the coaching staff was gould be with them.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: You saw it last year.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: He got signed on Thursday, started the first game of
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: a rookie quarterbacks career at center and was he fell
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: off a little bit late in the year, but like
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: really gave them, you know, solid center play for most
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: of that season. Well everything was falling apart around him.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: This guy stays ready, shows up, plays on Sundays. You
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: need guys like that on their football team. A big
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: shout out to Ben Brown for the way he played
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: ensive line talk. He also he had the toughest match
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: of anybody. Derek What did Derek Brown do in this game?
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah? He had a little bit of Derek Brown in
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: this game. So I think the biggest thing with the
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: line And I'm gonna nerd out here for a second
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: as well. So they're there and you should ask Andrews
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: about this. So they're maybe I did. They're sliding the line, yeah,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: to three man slides to one side of the field,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: to one side of the formation, and then their man
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: to man on the backside. It's just like traditional pass
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: protection like it's nothing, there's five on four. Yeah, they
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: got exotic about it. But by what they're doing when
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: they to the non slide side to the man side,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: is it They're they're chipping with the tight end. So
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: if Campbell is on the non side side or Moses
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: on the non side side, they're getting chip help from
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: the tight ends, and then they're sliding on the other
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: side of the line, which is giving the tackle inside
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: help from the guard. Right, So what big picture of
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: what they're doing is that this is how you help
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: tackles that might not be world beaters in pass protection.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: Is you slide one way, you chip, you do different things,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: you move the pocket. Of course, on these play action
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: passes they only had in this game. I only they
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: only dropped back to past twenty one times total, so
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: it's obviously a low number to begin with. But they
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: only had like nine or ten true pass sets in
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: this entire game. So all that is doing is just
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: limiting the exposure that Campbell and Moses have, right, the
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: true drop back pass. Now, you can't live in that
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: world forever, Like they're gonna be games where you're gonna
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: have to ramp that up and they're gonna have to
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: hold up, but they're doing a really good job skimally
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: of helping the offensive line, which I think is a
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: big part of why the line and pass protection has
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: been so good. I also think it's a part of
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: why if you look at win rate, they're down still
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: in the bottom ten of the league. I think they're
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: like twenty third now in the league and win rate,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: but they're up near the top of the league in
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: terms of like time to pressure and blown block rate
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: and things like that because they're doing these things to
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: help the line. So it hasn't been perfect with the
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: run blocking, but the pass protection for this group has
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: really come a long long way. It's a big reason
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: why the pass game has been so good. My last
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: up with Diggs obviously great game six for one oh one.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: I think the most encouraging thing for this game with Diggs,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: and I keep picking on this guy and I apologize,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: but I'm going to do it anyways. Yeah, Mike Jackson,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: the corner for the Carolina Panthers, not a very good
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: player in my opinion, not on Stefan Diggs's level, and
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: it did not look like he was on Stefan Diggs's
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: level on Sunday. The fact that the pay Mariots have
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: a version of digs that he can still feast on
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: guys that are not on his level is really really
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: important just for the whole hierarchy of the passing game,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: because now you go into games and like the Bills
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: are going to prepare for the Patriots offense this week,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: you can't just allow digs to go against your second
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: or third corner like Christian Benford on third down is
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: going to have to cover Stefan Dins And now the
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: domino effect that that causes for Kaishaan Budi, for Matt Collins,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: for Kyle Williams, for Tomorrow Douglas, it just puts those
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: guys in the right pecking order. And so if Diggs
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: can do that every single week where he's that coverage
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: dictating game planned receiver, that's all you're looking for. Like
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: the production will hopefully come with that too, but even
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: if it doesn't, just the fact that he's drawing number
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: one receiver coverage is kind of enough. And the Panthers
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: didn't shadow him with J. C. Horn in this game,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: and they hurt for it like they paid for it,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: And hopefully he can continue to do that. It was
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: also great to see I talked about the numbers yesterday,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: thirteen air yards per target in this game, six point
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: eight six point nine in the first three games, targeting
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: him much farther down the field like that. To see
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: him get to the second and third level of the
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: defense effectively is really good progress and the really positive
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: for the Patriots as well. So it'sdefon Diggs last one.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had Digs on there as well. That's my
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: holest Okay downs, who you got penalties?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: Number one? We already talked about that.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had Carlton Davis number one, who had two
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: of the seven penalties. Yeah. I don't think Carlon Davis
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: has been bad, but he's going to get a lot
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: of targets this season because nobody's going to want to
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: throw at Christian Gonzales. So the ball is going to
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: come at him a lot. And if he's holding and
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: if he's you know, tugging on jerseys and things like that,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: that he's going to get a lot of flags thrown
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: his way because the ball is going to be come
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: in that direction, which puts a spotlight on that matchup.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: And so I thought in this game he struggled a
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: little bit with Ted McMillan, certainly on those inbreaking routes,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: and he's gonna have to gear up every single week
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: for seeing a ton of targets, like he's going to
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: get the ball throw in his direction a lot and
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: he's gonna have to be ready for it. So I
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: don't I don't think he's been. It's not been a
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: bust of a signing or anything like that, right, but
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: this game wasn't his best game. Who's number two?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Number two for me was Christian Ellis. Yeah, bench second
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: week in a row. It's obviously not great. Defense has
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: been getting better and he's neither jacket. We probably should
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: put Jack Gimmons on the ups. He was really good
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: in this game. They have some holes that week' sideline
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: back we could have put in the ups, But you know,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: two benchings in a row, both times the defense gets
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: better after he comes out of the game. You wonder
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: if his starting jobs in jeopardy, especially Jilnie devis eligible
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: to come back off ir this week. I don't think
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: that stylistically that's a fit, but they're just going to
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: have another linebacker. Yeah, another another rough game for him,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: So I only had.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: One other one, and I do want to talk about
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: one other guy, but I feel like I keep picking
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: on a rookie and I feel bad about that. We
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: talked about it. With the defense stuff, just setting the
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: edge against the run in general, I just didn't think
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: was very good in this game. I didn't want to
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: single out either Chason White or Landry because I think
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: all three of them at times were culprits of blowing
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: the edge. So whether it's schematic, whether it's you know,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: just playing blocks a little bit differently, like, whatever they
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: need to do to be a little bit more consistent
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: on the edge of the defense, They're going to have
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: to figure it out because this is a copycat league.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: And when the teams start to see on film that
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: they can't set the edge, all they're gonna do is
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: run off tackle and they're just going to keep hitting
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: that button and keep hitting that button until you stop it.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: So that was my second one. You had one more.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: You said, yeah, Pop Douglas.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Now, look he sets the great block on the Hunter
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: Henry touchdown, but he's fallen behind Kyt Williams. Now in
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: terms of usage. At least he did in this game.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: The offense looked really good with him not out there.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: I just he he might find himself on the outside
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: looking in of a you know, significant role in this
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: offense as things stand right now.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: So the one that I the rookie Trayvon Henderson another
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: hold in pass protection, the nine yard checkdown that he caught,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: I thought there was a lot more yards available, Like
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: there's it's one on one with the linebacker and there's
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: nobody else on that side of the field. So if
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: he makes the linebacker miss there, he's going to be
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: running for a while. That's the type of play less
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: so than the pass protection stuff, which I think will
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: come in time. Like I would like to see him
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: make a defender missing some space there on that pass,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: Like that's why he's here. Like that, those types of plays,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: getting him into space with the ball in his hands
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: as a receiver is why he was drafted at the
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: top of the second round. I just I've just been
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: a little disappointed. Like it's not like I'm ready to
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: write the kid off or call him a bust or
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: anything like, but it's been a slow start for Travon Henderson.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: All Right, that is three out, three down, We're gonna
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: get to your calls here, We're gonna ask you to
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: be a little bit quick. We're going to try to
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: be quicker with the calls because we do want I
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: had to fit previews in and we haven't been doing
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: a good job of budgeting all right time in that respect.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna take a calls.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: Though.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Patty is an agu on what's up? Patty?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: What's up? Guys?
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: Will make it quick, So thanks Patty.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 10: The one no problem. The one thing that I don't
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 10: want to happen after this game is win or lose.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 10: You know, I don't want to see like, if we
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 10: win this game, fans go nuts and have the hype
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 10: train go off the rails and say we're going to
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 10: the super Bowl. We're winning the super Bowl, and lose
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 10: like see, like Paul likes to say, the blid police
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 10: come out and say, see, that's who we really are.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 10: I just want to get you guys' thoughts on that,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 10: and I'll take it off there.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear what you're saying, Patty. You know I
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: wouldn't worry too much about the external.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Do you remember in twenty twenty one when they got
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: rolling a little bit and we started seeing the mac
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: Jones Tom Brady Super Bowl Collision chorus graphics and all that.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: I'd like to see him win the game and then
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: whatever happens with that happens with that. But yeah, I mean,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: people are gonna get a little ridiculous if they do
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: win this game. I'd say, you know, take a deep breath.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: But also it's part of being a fan. It's part
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: of being a fan. You win a game like that,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: you know they'll be over five hundred for the first
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: outside of being one and oh last year, for the
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: first time since when like probably twenty twenty one, right
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: back to back wins for the first time in a
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: long time.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: Like, you're getting ahead of ourself. Yeah, they're gonna win
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: this game, but I'm not gonna fall fans for being
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: excited if they win the game on Sunday night. Now, internally,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Mike Rabel will do everything in his power
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: to keep them grounded. But that's internal, Like I don't
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: we don't have to do like we're not playing, we're
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: not coaching.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: I'll just say this.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: I've been known to take a victory lap for two
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: on takes. The biggest victory lap I probably ever took
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: was after the Mac Jones three pass wind game in Buffalo,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: and what has it been like between the Patriots and
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Bills since? So just you know, keep that in mind
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna make any big picture claims.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: All right, Christian is in La. What's up? Christian?
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 7: Hey you guys?
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Hey, how are we doing?
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 11: Happy Wednesday?
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 12: Today?
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 11: Good today? So really quickly to me, I really feel
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 11: like the key to this game, at least with having
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 11: a chance in the game, really is our sideline, the
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 11: sideline defense. I feel really confident about our run defense
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 11: up the middle. Yeah, we've given us some stuff, but
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 11: I'm pretty secure with not losing the game by by
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 11: a team beating us in the like in the trenches.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 11: But sideline sideline sort of worries me. And I think
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 11: if we can get sidelined, the sideline defense cover these guys.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 11: I really think we can neutralize a lot of what
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 11: James Cook does to make his big yards and then
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 11: you know, against Blaine or someone's gonna have to cover
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 11: him out the backfield. So to me, when the game
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 11: really key on how we play and treat James James Cook.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Christian, thanks for the call. It's it's a really
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: good point. I think preparing, you know, setting up for
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: the Bills this week. And we're going to get into
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: this deeper in a second. But they are under center
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: a lot more now. They run the ball traditionally a
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: lot more now than what you probably, uh, you know,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: if you think of Josh Allen, you think of him
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: running a lot. But they turned the ball, they you know,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: snapped the ball, turn it around and handed to James
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: Cook a lot more now than they did maybe two
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: or three years ago. And he is you could argue that,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: you know, he's kind of outside of Allen, like the
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: engine of their offense right now. Him, Shakir and Allan
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: are kind of like their holy trinity, like their threesome
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: right there, of guys that are really driving this offense
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: to number one in the league in pretty much every category.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: I think they're second in points technically because the Lions
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: scored like sixty one one week. So yeah, so the Bears. Yeah,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: so that's but they are they're thirty fit points a week,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: of thirty points a game every week, like they are hitting.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: They're not You're probably not going to hold the Buffalo
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: Bills under thirty points, let me put it to you
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: that way. And James Cook is a huge part of it.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: The passing game stuff is obviously there for them if
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: they want it, Like the Bills can do whatever they want.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: They have that kind of offense and that kind of talent.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: But I would say the run game with what James
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Cook has really been a difference maker because it's made
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: their offense more consistent, Like it's less volatile because it's
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: not all predicated on Josh Allen just like throwing haymakers
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: all the time now because they have like scripted offense
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: that they can go to where they're just running plays
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: in structure traditionally conventionally offensively, and that's just leveled out
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: their offense so much so that it's not just like
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: sixty yard bomb pick, sixty yard bomb pick right like,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: and now there's a consistency to it. Let's take Randy
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: in Providence. What's up Randy?
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 13: He of guys, how's it going with that?
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 13: So real quick? Two questions. One, in the pre draft
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 13: process part of the whole Will Campbell scouting, you saw
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 13: the Land and Jackson matchup, which was kind of his kryptonite.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 13: And I'm wondering how you guys think that he's grown
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 13: since that matchup to not necessarily specifically avoid Jackson, who
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 13: I don't believe has been active yet, but to what
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 13: any chips to Jackson might give his teammates on like
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 13: how he was able to consistently get Campbell that week
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 13: last year. And then secondarily just quick five names. There
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 13: are five names that made eighty or better grade for
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 13: PFF this week for the Patriots. On Wayne You, Giggs,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 13: bar More, Pettis s the lay you guys hadn't mentioned
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 13: Pettis at all. I wonder what you think about that.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 13: On Wayne You was the highest graded right guard in
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 13: the week in the year in the league this week too,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 13: So thanks thanks.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: For the caller, Randy. Yeah, del Pettis played in garbage
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: time in the fourth quarter. Yeah, it was a little
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: bit of a small sample size there in terms of
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: his play, But on when it has been interesting because
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: I had him for a hurry in this game, and look,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: he's a run blocking right guard in their last in
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: the league in rush EPA. So I have I understand
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: that it's a team game and it's not just one
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: guy ever, But at the same time, you know, if
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: you're I think there's an another gear there for big
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: Mike as a run blocker to really be an impact
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: run blocker and have that right side be an impact
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: right side for them that I just don't know if
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: they've not fully hit yet. And and so I don't
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: think on one who I know, he gets a lot
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: of flak. He is a big dude, and some people
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: think he's out of shape and all that stuff. I
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: don't think he's been bad, but when you're paying a
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: guard eighteen million dollars like you're expecting him to be
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: a little more an impact player. Yeah, all right, Jeff
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: is in Maine. What's up, Jeff?
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: Hey, guys, good, I'll make it quick. I got a
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: comment in a question. The comment is Island off to
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 5: a rough start for one and three? Uh oh no,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: Joe Burrow was like quarterback, so things have gone downhill.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: We had a bounce back week this week, though, so
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: we're you know, we'll we'll get back there.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Love it and my question.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: I feel pretty good about our matchup with the Bills receivers.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: I think that you know, Davis bigger physical corner, matches
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: up really well with Kean Coleman, really shifty, smooth guy
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: against all his matches up well with Khalil Shakir and
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: then their tight ends are a little bit worrying with
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 5: how Tommy Tremble did against this last week. I was
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: just wondering what you guys think about how we match
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 5: up against the Bills passing game. And I'll take it
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: off there.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Yeah, Jeff, thanks for the call. I it's
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: a it's a good question. And I was on with
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: the Bills guys on coover one Greg and Aaron last night.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: And when you hear the opponent's perspective on your team's
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: kind of interesting because they're always looking at it like
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: where are the holes, Like where are the weaknesses that
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: the Bills can attack? And you know, rightfully, they pointed
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: out the Patriots linebackers and safeties against the Bills tight
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: ends and running backs like that was where we went
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: and where the conversation went. And I think that's a
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: it's a fair concern and I want to kind of
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: tackle here in a second more in depth, but that,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: to me is part of what probably is going to
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: decide this game is whether or not the Patriots can
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: cover Kincaid and Knox. And I'm I was gonna say
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: Dalvin James Cook out of the backfield like that, that's
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: gonna be a big part of this game. But I
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: also when I watch the Bills offense, I know how
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: you feel about this, Alex. When I watch their passing game,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: I think Khalil Shakira is the guy that starts to
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: drink in that passing game. Like to me, he's the
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: one that is almost like Edelman like where like he's
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: the chain mover. He's fantastic with the ball in his hands,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: breaks tackles at an insane rate for receivers, led the
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: league in broken tackles last year, is near the top
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: of the league, and broken tackles this year. Given the
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: Patriots issues that they've had tackling through the first month
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: of the season two, I just look at Shakir and say,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: that's the guy that you absolutely like. If they beat
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: you throwing the ball. Dawstin Knox and Kean Coleman and
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: like these other guys in their passing game, you kind
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: of have to just tip the cap to those types
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: of things. I'm not saying that don't go in with
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: the plan, but I think Khalios Shakira is the guy
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: that really is Josh Allen's binky, Like that's the enngine
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: of this offense.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: And he's killed Patriots, has been very good and that wow,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: I am I blaying on his name Isaiah not Isaiah Rodgers,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: Isaiah Zi McKenzie roll a little bit. That's probably who
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: I'm putting Gonzales on in this game.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: And if you want to talk about that, it's tough
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: because Shakir is a catch and run guy and he's
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: not a guy that Gonzalez is gonna end up covering
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: a lot down the field with downfield routes. They throw
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: a ton of passes to him short behind the line
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: of scrimmage, passes like screens and you know, motions and
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: like all that different kind of thing. Uh, you know,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: all those like schemed plays that they run offensively in
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: the passing game or pretty much all featuring Khalil shit here.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: So it's a tough matchup for a guy like Gonzalez,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: who is fantastic. But Gonzalez really takes out guys that
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: are running routes down the field like that's his specialty.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: I don't also wouldn't necessarily say that tackling is Christian
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: Gonzalez his best trade either, So I don't know what
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: exactly because like in theory, I agree, and I'm probably
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: gonna write that it should be Gonzalez because Shakir to
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: me is top billing like he is. He is like
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: the Marquee matchup in this game and the Bills passing game.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: But I do wonder how they handle him because he
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: is a little bit different last year. Not that last
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: year's coaching staff is the best barometer of how to
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: game plan an offense, but they had Jonathan Jones on Shaquir,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: which makes sense, like speed guy, great open field tackler.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Marcus Jones is necessarily that kind
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: of player, but maybe a little bit more like that
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: kind of player. So it's an interesting It's not like
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: it's not a Ted McMillan where you can just line
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: up Christian Gonzales over him and have them go to
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: to tem They.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: Just don't have a ton of good receivers though, and
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: somebody's got to cover somebody.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan is in Tennessee. What's up, Brian?
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 5: Hey, what's up?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: Guys? Huge fans of the show, and your guys's takes
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: an analysis and what you do, so thank you keeping
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: past fans close to all the action and a couple
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: of things. Yeah, absolutely, And I know you want to
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: be quick, so I'll be as quick as I can here.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: But just like big picture, I can't remember the last
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: time I was just excited about the Patriots really, and
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: when the schedule came out, I kind of was just
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: hoping for two and two entering the Buffalo game no
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: matter how it came, and it was very interesting, but
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: super excited for the matchup this week and nice to
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: not just be incredibly nervous before we play Buffalo and
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: really just feeling like we have a chance in every
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: game that we have on the schedule that we have
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: a chance to be in it with this staff, our offense, defense,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: and everything we've got going.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 8: For us this year.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: So that's all. And wanted to stay hi and get
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: thank you guys for what you do. And I also
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: agree Marcus Jones on Khalil Shakir. I think he's our
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: best matchup match at speed and a pretty good tackler,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: underrated tackler. So that's all I got, guys, Thank you again, appreciated,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: no problem.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: Thanks for the caller, I appreciate it. Uh yeah, it
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: is nice And like I think I might have said
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: this off the air, so I'll say it on the air.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: The fact that we can like really get you know,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: nerd out and talk about like the x's and o's,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: and but also just like get really in depth on
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: the games because people actually care about how these games unfold.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: Again is, uh, is what this show is all about.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: So it's really cool that we have that opportunity. I
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: just feel like the last couple of years everything is
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: just so doom and gloom, and you know, it's just, uh,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: what went wrong or you know, big picture draft, you know,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: like all these other different things, Like that's not what
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: this show was built for. This show is built do
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: what we're doing here today. So it's cool to be
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: back in that category, at least for now. We'll see
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: if it lasts, but at least for this week, we're
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: back in that in that world. Jordan is in Georgia.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: What's up, Jordan?
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 12: Hey guys, this is my first time calling Glad. I
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 12: finally got to I watch you all the time.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 12: Yeah. My question more of a statement REALA. I love
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 12: the Patriots. I got a lot of friends, and I
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 12: still a lot of people in the media hyping this
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 12: stuff after these last couple wins. I don't want to
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 12: be a Debbie downer, but like I've been watching football
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 12: for ten years and I don't know if I've seen
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 12: a more miserable fifty three man roster than the Panthers.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 12: Like receivers I've never heard of. Bryceon Tremaine was starting
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 12: for them. Hunter Renfro who they actually cut I heard,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 12: and then brought back after a Cocher injury. Besides, Ted
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 12: didn't really have anyone. I think they said they had
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 12: two pressures on Drake May the whole day. And I'm
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 12: really I love the direction we're going in. I feel
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 12: like we're building momentum, but I just I want to
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 12: see it against some better teams. I just want to
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 12: know if I'm being too pessimistic.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: But that's it, No, no, not at all. I think
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: that you're spot on. But just the one thing I
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: would say, just on the positive is that the Panthers
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: are not a good team and the Patriots made them
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: look like.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: Beat by thirty.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: Right, it would be one thing that that was like
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: a ten point game and it was close, and you
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: can't not play them. You don't get to be like, well,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: we're so above them, like we don't you know, So
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: I get what he wanted to look like against the
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: bad team.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: If we're if we're talking playoffs or trying to take
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: this team's truly seriously, he's right, He's one hundred percent right.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: With that being said, when you play bad teams, you
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: make them look bad. You win by twenty nine, win
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: by thirty, that's what it's supposed to look like, right,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: And so they were able to do that. I you
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: can't say the same for that. This team for the
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: past like two and a half years, they have not
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: been able to beat bad teams the way they beat
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: down Carolina on Sunday. So that's a that's positive. What
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: was Mike Rabel's first checkpoint? Can you take advantage of
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: bad football? They're starting to take advantage of bad football,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: Like the win against Miami was kind of taking advantage
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: of bad football. And then this was also with taking
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: it football. And you know, just quickly just look at
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: the schedule, like this schedule bad. There's a lot of
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: bad football at Buffalo this week. But one thing, but yeah,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: I mean you have that was it New Orleans, Tennessee.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: Cleveland Trio there right after Buffalo to wrap up the month,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: of October. That's a lot of bad football, and that's
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of opportunities there to win some of these
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: games and and just try to get ahead of it
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: and maybe even be dare I say, like in the hunt,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: you know, come December and January, if you clean up
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: and let's face it, like I don't know what's gonna
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: happen in Atlanta, Like Atlanta is is sort of teetering.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: They played better this past week, But this Panthers team
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: beat Atlanta thirty to nothing two weeks ago, right like that,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: that Panthers team that everybody's saying is terrible blew out
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: the Falcons the week before. So if Falcons are on
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: your schedule, the Joe Burrow of Cincinnati Bengals that look
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: lifeless on Monday night are on your schedule. Both those
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: teams Miami and the Jets that also looked like they
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: were a bunch of bad football going on in that game.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: You have three more games against those guys. So I
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: just rattle off six to seven games, right that are
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: all very winnable for the Patriots, and they you know,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: you start talking about eight, nine, ten wins, now you
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: start talking about wild card and being a six or
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: seven seed and all that good stuff. We have twenty
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: minutes to talk about the bill, so we did a
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: little bit better today with the timing here. This game,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: to me is a really fascinating game in terms of
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: matchups and all that kind of stuff. Let's start with
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen because I just I know that this is
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: one of our favorite topics to discuss on and off
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: the air With Josh Allen. I have two takes on
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen. The first take is watching their film and
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: watching their offense over the last two years evolve. They
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: have basically allowed Josh Allen to be Clark Kent like
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: ninety five percent of the time, and then every once
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: in a while, like last week he had that big
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: thirty yard run where he pulls out the Superman cap.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: But he doesn't have to do that as much anymore,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: and he's gotten so much better in structure, running conventional
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: offense that it's just made them a juggernaut offensively. And
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: I give him credit for that. I gave obviously the
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: Buffalo coaches, and Joe Brady is really good at what
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: he does too, But to me, that's been the biggest
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: difference with Josh Allen, that the Patriots faced early on
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: in his career. In the Josh Allen now is Josh
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: Allen now can play quarterback like he can sit in
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: the pocket and just tear you up just playing conventional quarterback.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: I mentioned the run game stuff earlier on with James Cook.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: When you can buy those two things that they are
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: number one in the league right now in pass and
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: rush EPA. They're number one in both categories. They are
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: the best offense in football. And I think a lot
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: of it stems from the fact that Josh Allen doesn't
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: play as much chiro ball anymore as what he did
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: early on in his career. So where are you at
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: with Josh Allen? Because I know that this is all
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: we always go back and forth on Josh Allen. I
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: wanted you're on the record now here.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I said for years that there were
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: elements of the quarterback position that he couldn't handle, and
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: you yelled at me for being a hater, and you
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: just admitted that he struggled at playing quarterback until recently.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: I didn't say that now that you just did. I
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: think that it's I give him a lot of credit
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: for developing patients.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: You literally just said, he's really playing quarterback. I think
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: something like that.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: Developing patients is something that I think is a really
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: underrated thing about quarterback play. When you're Josh Allen and
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: everybody is trying to keep you in the pocket, and
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: everybody's trying to keep the top on the defense, and
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: they're playing a lot of soft zone and covered two
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: and two high shell, Like the easiest thing to do
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: is to go play hero and start running around and
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: chucking the ball all over the place. And to his credit,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: what his growth has been, along with the mechanic stuff
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: and the accuracy, is that he is now willing to
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: take the profits, like he's willing to just sit there
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: and throw the ball underneath the defense and move the
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: ball that way. He is middle of the road, like
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: nineteenth in air yards per per pass attempt, but they're
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: number one inefficiency. So the fact that he's not throwing
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: the ball down in the field it done hasn't hurt
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: them at all. And that's a testament to I think
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: him developing some patients, which I think is tough for
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: young quarterbacks.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I look, it is impressive. He's cut out
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: the turnovers and that's what was killing him. And I
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: know that the math will tell you that the turnovers
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: aren't important, because I didn't say that. The nerds saw
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: their favorite guy turning the ball over and said, let's
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: cook up a formula where we downplay that. But no,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: the fact he's not turning the ball over now and
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: he can play more instructure. I mean, that was the
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: book on him, was just keep him in structure, make
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: him be patient. He could do it against Patriots because
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: he had a hair across his ass for Bill Belichick
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: in this organization, and he would only do it against
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: Patriots and nobody else.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: We saw that.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: Now he's doing it against everybody.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: So it hurts you to say say nice things about him.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: Heard you never said that he's bad. I just said
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: he was overrated, and I still think it's true.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: Like I got asked this morning on the radio, I
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: was on a Toucher and Hardy and touch of do
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: you think James Cook's one of the most underrated players
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: in the league. I think he is, or one of
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: the more underrated running backs in league. I think he
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: is because we have to give anything that happens with
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: the Bill's credit. Anything that happens with the Bills. We
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: have to credit to Josh Allen, nobody else cook and
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: you you were very confimentari secure today, but we have
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: to give and look, ironically, now there's not as much
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: talent around him as there used to be. I thought
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Diggs was underrated for years, and I still think he
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: was at the time.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: But like you are still you're still like on this island,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: like you're still you're not.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: What Josh Allen is doing now is very impressive. You
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: guys have been talking about him like he was doing
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: this since twenty twenty, and he hasn't been this hass been.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: He's been a top five quarterback in the league since
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: The way he's playing right now. You just said he's
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: changed a lot in the last year and change.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: I said that he's playing more conventional quarter but that
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that he wasn't damn good doing the other stuff.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: But what he was doing before, right, And I never
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: said he was bad before, but these were just and
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: this is my point. I never said he was bad.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: I just pointed out there were flaws in his games.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: Overrated, I think.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: Because I pointed out there were flaws in his game
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: and got you, Josh Allen, you're just a hater brob
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: the book.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, he's perfect, all hail Saint Allen or whatever.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: But like you know, and now he's cleaned up a lot.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: And here's the thing.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: So you're now sure changing him because I want to Yes,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: you are, because I want to say, he's cleaned up
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of things in his game that I thought
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: were going to be tough to clean up. But according
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: to you and all the other fan boys, he was
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: perfect forever. So we can't give him credit for he does.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: How can he get better?
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: So no, that's not what I say.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: I just look, I you got to be on your
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: p's and q's defending him. He doesn't give you a
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: ton of room for error defensively. The hardest thing with him,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: the thing that always kills me and the play that
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: the play that I think really scares me with him
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: more than anything else, when he starts rolling out of
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: the pocket and he just has an unbelievable knack for
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: you get the two on one and he's got a
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: receiver in the flat and there's one defender and the
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: defender has to either come down and crashing on Allen
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: or take the receiver in the flat. He's really good
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: at waiting until the last second to make that decision
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: and always making the right decision. It's uncanny the way
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: he always makes the right decision in that situation. That's
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: the play that makes me pull my hair out, is
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: you think you haven't pinted the sideline and either the
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: defender pulls up the last second because they don't want
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: to flag, or they think he's gonna throw and then boom,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: he scoots up the sideline for fifteen yards, or that
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: defender crashes down, he flips the ball to whoever, and
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: now that guy's got a ton of room to run.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: That's the play to me that makes him the most dangerous.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because I think everybody goes there with
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: him because that is the play that is a backbreaker.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: Like it's third and eight and you have them and
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: you have the initial kind of routes covered initially, and
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: you have the play stopped initially, and then he just
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: goes off script and pulls something out of his butt.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: But you know, like I was saying, he doesn't have
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: to do that as much anymore because their conventional offense
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: is just working, like they just they just have enough
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: open guys that he can just make throws on time
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: from the pocket. It's cool to see that development. I
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: think it gives you an awful lot of hope if
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: you're a Patriots fan about Drake May, because you already
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: see Drake May doing that. I would say even earlier
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: on in his career compared to Josh Allen, like Drake
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: May and your two is already where Josh Allen started
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: to get maybe in like nineteen twenty twenty type range,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: which is two three years into Allen's career. The other
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: thing I wanted to say about Josh Allen just from
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: like a game plan perspective on how to you know,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: stop this freaking guy. Teams have not really brought the
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: fight to Buffalo very often, and a big part of
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: what I'm seeing on film with the Bills is that
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: they get all this soft zone coverage because everybody's terrified
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: of the big play and him getting out of the pocket.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: So it's mush rush. Four guys drop off into coverage,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: keep everything in front of you. They right now are
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: lead in the league and yards after the catch per reception,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: they're averaging seven yards per catch after the reception. They
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: have twelve explosive plays on passes that traveled less than
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: ten yards in the air. So they're just killing teams
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: on catch and run stuff, screens Khalil Shakira brick and
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: six tackles last week and going up the sideline and
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: all of this is because everybody backs off, like everybody,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: you know, they're giving them eight yards of cushion. And
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: so all Alan does is he just flips the screen
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: out to Khalil Shakir with a couple of blockers, and
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: the corners are way off the line of scrimmage and
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: Shaki's just running, you know, with daylight all the time.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: And I understand that this strategy a lot kind of
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: you know, on steroids. But like week one, Yeah, for
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: the Patriots defense, you might lose some rounds like this,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: I end up with you on the mat a couple
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: of times. But with the corners that the Patriots have,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: with the pass rushers that the Patriots have up front,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: has anybody actually tried to like get in the face
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: of these receivers and try to press these guys because
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: they're not a great group of wide receivers. And the
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: one thing that gives you pause on that is they
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: do motion. So much that if you try to play
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: man to man and now you're chasing Shakir left to
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: right because he's constantly going in motion. That's what Joe
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: Brady's gonna do if they play man is He's just
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: going to motion Shakir all over the place. But I
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: just wonder if you if you try to bring the
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: fight to them a little bit and you go man
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: to the mass, say this for a long time. You
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: play press, you rush four or five guys to keep
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: Allen in the pocket, and let's see, like, let's see
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: if these receivers for Buffalo can separate.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: I've said this for a while. There's more games than
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: people want to admit. That the Bill's success is just
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: the other team playing scared. And I always go back
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: to and I've told her story on here before, but
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: like when when Brady came back here in twenty one
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: and we were talking to Matthew Judne about it.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: Matthew Judon had been on.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: Some of those Ravens teams right that gave the Patriots trouble,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: and he talked to some guys that were on the
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: teams that really gave him trouble back in the day,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: and he wouldn't say Brady's name or something during the
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: press conference. I mean, there was something weird about it,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: and we just kind of kept asking him and he's like, guys, look,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: he's a good football player. And I'm paraphrasing if he's like,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: he's a good football player. But we're in the NFL
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: two and at a certain point, you got to do
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: what you do. And we saw how many teams did
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: we see come in here, whether it was the Steelers,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: whether it was the Colts, whether it was the Chargers
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: and just completely try to reinvent themselves because they were
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: so in their heads about what this Patriots offense was.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: And now you come out of your comfort zone and
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: you're hurting yourself more than you think. And I think
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: some teams do that against the Bills now, and frankly,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: the Bills are not good enough to deserve that respect,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: not dis iteration of their offense.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: You just said they have no receivers. Don't laugh, I say,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: this is your point of receivers. I said that they're
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this group because like.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: Who's who's better receiver in Patriots and Bills close exactly
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: like Shakira, I think might be a little bit better.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: And after last week, I don't know, but if dig
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: starts like getting healthy and.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: I hear your point, and this is my point, so finish.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: So like I said, there's all these teams that would
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: come in and just mess their pants because oh it's
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. We got to do all this stuff that
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: we don't know how to do because we got to
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: do something different, and the Patriots just roll over. The
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: Ravens were the one team. And this is why the
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: Ravens gave the Patriots trouble for all these years. I
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: think is part of it because Ray Lewis and Terrell
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: Suggs and those guys had this mentality that who cares.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: Right where in the league. They're in the league, let's
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: play ball. And I do think against the Bills and
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: the Chiefs, like against any great team, I see that this.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: The Eagles are another team that this happens against you.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: I see teams twist themselves into a pretzel trying to
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: get against the Eagles, and it's like, just play them, man, Yeah,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: just play them. If you're a decent team and maybe
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: they win, maybe they are better than you. You at
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: a certain point, you gotta do what you do and
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: you got to play to your strength. So to your point,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: they got a good pass rush, they got these big
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: physical corners, get up on them present. But Josh Allen
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: might do that, all right, So then sit ten yards
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: off and let him pick you apart, right right, That's
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, That's what I saw. Don't let this
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: couple weeks force you to reinvent yourself.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's exactly what I've seen the last
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks out of these defenses is that they're
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: terrified of the deep ball. They're terrified of Josh Allen
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: off script. And if you play man to man coverage,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: then you're you're opening yourself up for him running around
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: and playing off.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: Having a spy in this game would be helped, sure,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: But and if you.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: Spy him and you for you know, with the spy
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: and forced him into a decision, right, I don't let
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: him just extend the play. And I think the biggest
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: thing to me about it all you know, we were
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: talking about it just now, with Josh Allen and his growth,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: like at this point, I would rather turn this into
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: a messy playground football game. And I know that sounds
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: crazy with Josh Allen because that's been his superpower. But
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: I think that you're gonna win more rounds than doing
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: it that way then backing off and playing scared, because
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: when you back off and play scared, they are just
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: driving the ball down the field on teams, they're taking
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: the profits underneath zone defenses. They're running the football at
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: an extremely high rate. So I just wonder if the Patriots,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: now with these two corners, are just built. So let's
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: just man them up and let's see, like, let's make
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: Keon Coleman get open. Let's make you know, Dalton Kinkaid
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: beat us. Let's make this happen for the Bills instead
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: of just we're gonna give am eight yard checkdowns every
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: all game long, because as you always talk about with
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: the run game, if you have a j eight yards
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: per pass attempt, they're gonna be in the end zone
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: a lot. And it just I get why teams are afraid,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: but the Patriots might be one of the few teams
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: that have the personnel to not be afraid.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: And it's also I mean, do you think there's a
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: chance the Bills overlooked the Patriots a little bit? But
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: they went up there last year and got up to
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: a fourteen nothing lead, like ultimately didn't hold it.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was one of the best games. Although
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: like they they kind of they were in more of
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: a dogfight against New Orleans and they wanted to be
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: in And so I do think that the Bills kind
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: of had some humble pie last week where the Saints
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: were not really in the game, but it was thirty
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: one to nineteen.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: There are also an element of Dolphins played them close.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: And I get that's a divisional game on a short week,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: but the Dolphins played him close at home.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: How do the Bills have three home games in a row.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: Of course they do.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: Dolphins played them close at home. Saints played them close
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: at home. Maybe there's something to that. Maybe there's something
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: to the Bills letting these teams hang around and stay
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: in games, and maybe they're not the juggernaut. Everybody thinks
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: last thing, a last thing there. I mean, sorry, who's
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: better the Saints of the Panthers. Yeah, I hear you,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: there's a juggernaut. Let that that Saints team.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: I love the little digs.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just here to keep everybody honest.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: If we're just gonna hand the Bills to the Lombardi
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: Trophy in September, like people try to do.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: Can we talk about the remember when tweeted that they.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: Got their revenge and like we wanted the season? Ah,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: full circle moment.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: We have one minute to talk about the offense. I
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: want to really quickly talk about You just want to
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: talk about Josh Allen True the Bill's defense. Yeah, talking
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: to to some of the Bills fans this week, they're
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: way more concerned about their defense than I thought they
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: should be. Like, I guess this is fandom and and
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: that's the whole thing. Uh. They they've been playing down
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: a couple of starters. No At Oliver, No Matt Milano,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: Max Harriston, their first round pick hasn't been playing. So
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: that that's a big part of it. And we'll see
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: on the practice reports this week if Milano and Oliver
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: are going to play in this game on Sunday. But
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: they're getting run on. They're they're twenty eighth in the
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: league and against the run they're running core have given them.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: Even Rattler had some scrambles last week. So running quarterbacks
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: have given them problem. Conventional run has given them problems.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: They're still really good pass defense, and they have always been,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: and that's always been a tough one, but the Patriots
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: have found ways, especially in that twenty twenty one, really
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: both matchups in twenty twenty one with Mac Jones, to
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: run the football on this Bill's defense. The Bills play
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: a four to three over front. They play the same
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: front and the same base defense that I've seen them
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: play since Sean McDermott took the job eight years ago.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: They play the same style. The Patriots love to run
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: it at the weak side of the defense because the
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: overfront is tilted to the strong side. The numbers are
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: at the strong side of the defense. So if you
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: can isolate the weak side linebacker, it's one on one
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: back side if you can get blockers, whether that's with
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: the full back or pollers or whatever the case may be.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: So the Patriot's got to be able to run the
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: ball on this game. I'm going to come on your
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: side of the street. You know this is a run
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: the ball, Shorten the game, limit possessions for Josh Allen, like,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: that's the formula for the Patriots this week and game.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: They're built to do it well and that usually puts
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: coaching more on the spotlight. Say it's a good point
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: on the run. I just want to bring up one
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: more point. I'll ask you this, who's the coaching advantage
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: in this game? Shouldn't need to think about that? Yeah,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: I think probably the Patriots probably think it's probably. I
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: don't think it's probably. I think the Patriots have the
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: coaching advantage in this game. So that's something that you know,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: if you can shorten a game that looms large.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: All right, we got to wrap it up. Patriots Unfiltered
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: is going to be on here in four minutes at noon,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: so we're still going to talk way more about the
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills in this matchup on Sunday. Alex and I
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: will be back next week recap the Bills. It's the
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: Saints right after the Bills game.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: I know it's Saints Titans Browns.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get into that matchup as well. We'll see
• 1:56:38
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• 1:56:43
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