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Pregnant Woman Raped, HELD 5 YEARS IN PADLOCK GARAGE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease. Is this real? Is this
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  Speaker 1: really happening in this day and age?
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  Speaker 2: Sadly, based on the court documents, I'm just getting it
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  Speaker 2: is real. A woman pregnant being held captive in a garage,
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  Speaker 2: padlocked from the outside, with nothing but a mattress a
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  Speaker 2: commode that doesn't work. When she is found, she is
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  Speaker 2: emaciated down to seventy pounds, her hair quote crusty, her
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  Speaker 2: clothes filthy, no shoes, her body was quote pungent. I'm
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  Speaker 2: reading of the court documents because how long has she
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  Speaker 2: been in there being.
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  Speaker 1: Raped, sex attack? Five years?
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  Speaker 2: It's almost too much to take in that this could
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  Speaker 2: happen again.
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  Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
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  Speaker 2: and on Sirius XM one eleven.
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  Speaker 1: The story is almost too much to take in.
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  Speaker 2: But let's just start with the commander and the Houston
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  Speaker 2: PD Michael Collins.
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  Speaker 3: The female who was in the original report, who was
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  Speaker 3: being held chaptered inside that ring a legend. We believe
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  Speaker 3: at this time that she was the only individual in
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  Speaker 3: that room. You know, I don't know how.
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  Speaker 4: Many this is.
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  Speaker 3: This is the first time I've been at this location,
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  Speaker 3: So I'd hate to think there were any others that
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  Speaker 3: were in that that circumstance as well, But it's.
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  Speaker 5: Something that will definitely follow up on.
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  Speaker 3: Talking for a thirty year old female, I really can't
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  Speaker 3: release her name right now until I follow up at
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  Speaker 3: the Investigator Division and our our public information officer, because again,
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  Speaker 3: my main concern is, of course, I want to share
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  Speaker 3: information as freely as possible, but I also don't want
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  Speaker 3: to jeopardize anybody's.
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  Speaker 1: Safe jeopardize anyone's safety.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, well, someone has already been padlocked into a garage,
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  Speaker 2: raped over and over and over for years. Did the
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  Speaker 2: neighbors not notice something was odd? Let's listen to more.
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  Speaker 2: To the Commander Michael Collins.
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  Speaker 3: It's disturbing on a personal level.
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  Speaker 5: My heart goes.
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  Speaker 3: Out to the woman involved because she is a victim.
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  Speaker 3: But anybody with children, or anybody with a family member
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  Speaker 3: who has struggled in their life has been preyed upon
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  Speaker 3: by those who are out for their their their own
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  Speaker 3: ends at the expense of others. It makes me sick
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  Speaker 3: as a human being. And I can tell you as
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  Speaker 3: a police department, we are here for the citizens of Houston.
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  Speaker 3: We're here for the community, and you know we're here
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  Speaker 3: to make sure that this individual and her family gets justice.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, what will justice look like in this case?
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  Speaker 2: If the allegations are true, this woman being held captive
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  Speaker 2: five years, raped repeatedly. I'm looking at the charge in
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  Speaker 2: this case, a known rapper apparently holds her, grabs her
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  Speaker 2: off the street, holds her locked inside a garage. She
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  Speaker 2: never saw anyone else in the resident. She could hear
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  Speaker 2: the defendant arguing with someone. On numerous occasions, the defendant
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  Speaker 2: would come out.
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  Speaker 1: Rape her.
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  Speaker 2: When she would try to escape, he would grab her,
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  Speaker 2: drag her back in, and lock padlocks repeatedly, physically threatening
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  Speaker 2: to beat her, assault her, force her to use crack cocaine,
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  Speaker 2: which is a nightmare in itself. You can't get off
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  Speaker 2: of it. In addition to holding her against her will,
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  Speaker 2: locked in the garage for at least five years, repeat
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  Speaker 2: sex acts on the victim against her will, even when
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  Speaker 2: she begged not to. It goes on and on, only
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  Speaker 2: occasionally giving her chips and snacks for food, never actual
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  Speaker 2: food or a full meal.
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  Speaker 1: Again, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: I know these facts are hard to hear, but as
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  Speaker 2: you will see later in our program, this is by
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  Speaker 2: far not the first time a woman has been held
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  Speaker 2: captive in a garage, in a home, and a shipping
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  Speaker 2: container in a basement, in all sorts of bizarre locations. Starved, beaten, threatened,
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  Speaker 2: and raped. That's what we're talking about. But this woman's
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  Speaker 2: ordeal at the hands of who we believe to be
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  Speaker 2: Lee Carter aka Viper the Wrapper five years.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me in All Star panel.
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  Speaker 2: But first I'm going to go straight out to Dave
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  Speaker 2: Mack Crimeonline dot com investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 1: Where did this happen?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to get an idea of how
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  Speaker 2: this goes down in a neighborhood and nobody knows that
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  Speaker 2: there's a woman padlocked in the garage and the padlocks
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  Speaker 2: were on the outside.
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  Speaker 1: Of the garage.
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  Speaker 2: I know that much, But you know, when you think
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  Speaker 2: about it, I'm going to go straight out to Phil Waters,
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  Speaker 2: former homicide detective four Houston PD this jurisdiction now president
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  Speaker 2: CEO of Kindred Spirits Investigations and Securities, and you can
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  Speaker 2: find him there Kindred Spirits Investigations dot Com.
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  Speaker 1: Phil.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm blasting the neighbors, but you know what
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  Speaker 2: if I happen to notice which I may not a padlock,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this big three five inches big on somebody's garage.
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  Speaker 2: That would not lead me to go bam on the
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  Speaker 2: garage to find out if somebody's in there.
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  Speaker 4: Well, No, and I will tell you this is this
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  Speaker 4: is not. The circumstances in terms of the neighbors and
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  Speaker 4: so forth and so on not terribly surprising to me.
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  Speaker 5: You know, given the area.
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  Speaker 4: And the people that even if they suspect something's going on.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the tendency is that they don't want to
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  Speaker 4: get involved in things, and so there's not there's not
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  Speaker 4: necessarily I don't blame the neighbors for not saying anything
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  Speaker 4: because they may not have known. They may have suspected
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  Speaker 4: some things. They know this guy, he's a rapper in Houston,
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  Speaker 4: so he's got some some sort of fame attached to him,
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  Speaker 4: I guess in a local way.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of reminding me a little bit of R.
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  Speaker 1: Kelly.
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  Speaker 2: Remember R Kelly held all of those women in his well.
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  Speaker 2: He had several compounds and residents's domiciles.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Stark the case of R.
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  Speaker 2: Kelly shot everyone where multiple women were being held against
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  Speaker 2: their will in his various compounds and domiciles.
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  Speaker 1: Horribly mistreated and being used as sex slaves.
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  Speaker 2: And somehow people tend to blame the victim like they
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  Speaker 2: wanted to be there. When this woman, I'm reading in
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  Speaker 2: the affidavit how her hair was quote krusty, filthy clothes,
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  Speaker 2: no shoes, her body, she's stunk, that is not willingly.
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  Speaker 2: And he had the woman strung out on crack cocaine.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Karen Stark, I've been in so many crackhouses,
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  Speaker 2: can't even count them. The people in there are like zombies.
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  Speaker 2: I remember one I went into Karen starko was looking
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  Speaker 2: for a witness in inner city Atlanta, and there was
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  Speaker 2: no furniture in there. There was one sofa that had
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  Speaker 2: been burned up. It was upholster with kind of a
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  Speaker 2: plaid material. It had been burned up. You could see
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  Speaker 2: into the foam, rubber and down and that was the
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  Speaker 2: only piece of furniture. And they were actually cooking crack
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of the floor.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, in the floor. They had an.
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  Speaker 2: Open fire, cooking crack in the apartment on the floor
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  Speaker 2: and people were just laid around like zombies, sitting like zombies.
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  Speaker 1: Strung out.
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  Speaker 2: This woman out of her mind, but somehow people say, wow,
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  Speaker 2: in five years, she could have gotten away. They said
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  Speaker 2: the same thing about r Kelly's victims.
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  Speaker 1: Not true.
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  Speaker 6: Not true.
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  Speaker 7: And Nancy, when you're talking about crack, I mean they
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  Speaker 7: would give it to rats and find that the rats
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  Speaker 7: would actually starve themselves, be dead or on the verge
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  Speaker 7: of death, and prefer to do cracks. It's that addictive,
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  Speaker 7: so nothing else matters there. Don't pay any attention to
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  Speaker 7: the environment, as you described, because they are that addicted.
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  Speaker 7: And I heard allegedly that this guy said that he
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  Speaker 7: was keeping girls for their own protection, that he was
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  Speaker 7: trying to protect them.
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  Speaker 1: This guy or r Kelly, this.
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  Speaker 7: Guy, the guy that we're talking about, And I would
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  Speaker 7: I feel like r Kelly was kind of saying the
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  Speaker 7: same thing, like I'm taking care of them. They can't
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  Speaker 7: take care of themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Time Stories with Nancy Grace to Dave Matt Crime online
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  Speaker 2: dot Com investigative reporter. When the cops do find her,
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  Speaker 2: what exactly do they find?
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  Speaker 1: Describe her living conditions.
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  Speaker 8: It was a filthy, nasty garage. It was a single
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  Speaker 8: car garage, Nancy, not a very big one, but single
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  Speaker 8: car garage, and it had been converted into this apartment
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  Speaker 8: slash jail cell. It was filthy, with a mattress on
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  Speaker 8: the floor. There was a toilet of some type, but
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  Speaker 8: it didn't flush. There were the windows had been boarded up,
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  Speaker 8: and as you mentioned when we started, she had an odor,
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  Speaker 8: about a pungent odor. The whole area stunk. According to her,
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  Speaker 8: she hadn't had a shower in two months. When they
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  Speaker 8: started looking around the room, they did find, you know,
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  Speaker 8: she was wearing filthy clothing. The fire department actually had
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  Speaker 8: to pry opened the garage door to get inside there
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  Speaker 8: because it hadn't been used as a garage. It had
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  Speaker 8: been used as this prison jail cell that she could
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  Speaker 8: not get out of. So beyond the filth, beyond the
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  Speaker 8: no toilet, beyond the no water you're talking about, oh,
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  Speaker 8: in the snacks the only thing she really ever got
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  Speaker 8: to eat were little snacks here and there, and there
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  Speaker 8: was trash on the floor from that.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm reading directly from court documents. The woman extremely malnourished,
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  Speaker 2: weighing approximately seventy pounds, with a pungent smell coming.
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  Speaker 1: From her body. Her hair was quote.
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  Speaker 2: Crusty, She wore filthy clothes, had no shoes. The fire
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  Speaker 2: department had to pry open the garage door and inside,
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  Speaker 2: officers found the door had a lock on it, windows
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  Speaker 2: were boarded up. There was a toilet that did not flush,
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  Speaker 2: a sink, a mattress with fresh vomit covering it, a TV,
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  Speaker 2: and chip and twinkies.
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  Speaker 1: Now, what were your learning?
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  Speaker 2: Actually a lot about how this woman was ended up
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  Speaker 2: in the garage.
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  Speaker 1: Now correct me if I'm wrong, Dave mac But apparently the.
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  Speaker 2: Victim told police that four to five years before. It
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  Speaker 2: turns out it was five years before. At that time
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  Speaker 2: she was pregnant and panhandling on the street where and
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  Speaker 2: at that time the defendant pulled his car over.
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  Speaker 1: And gave her a dollar.
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  Speaker 2: He left, but he came back and asked her did
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  Speaker 2: she need help. She got in the car for help.
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  Speaker 2: He took her to his home and then put her
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  Speaker 2: in the garage and started beating her, forcing her to
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  Speaker 2: have sex with him and take pills, and used crack
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  Speaker 2: cocaine against her will. What, Mark, can you tell me
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  Speaker 2: about how she ends up padlocked in a garage?
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  Speaker 8: Well, yeah, we've mentioned the panhandling. She's eight, she's very pregnant.
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  Speaker 8: We don't know how pregnant. We know that She says
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  Speaker 8: she was pregnant as she was panhandling up and down
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  Speaker 8: the street, that she was lured there because he had
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  Speaker 8: the promise of shelter. Whoo, you know you need help,
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  Speaker 8: I've got your help right here. He had already given
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  Speaker 8: her a dollar and drove off. So when he came
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  Speaker 8: back to her, she was already warmed up to the guy.
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  Speaker 8: She was willing to be nicer to him. And when
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  Speaker 8: he gets her back to his home, all I could
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  Speaker 8: think of, Nancy, of course, is a big sham, a
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  Speaker 8: big trick. You know, come on down here, you can
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  Speaker 8: get a shower or whatever. And as soon as she
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  Speaker 8: is in the room that she cannot get out of
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  Speaker 8: without his help, he owns her, He's got everything, and
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  Speaker 8: she finds herself lost in no man's land. Now the
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  Speaker 8: part about the drugs, Nancy, you've dealt with this for
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  Speaker 8: a long time. You know the effect that some drugs
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  Speaker 8: have on people. They can become almost immediately addicted.
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  Speaker 2: Jam Manut, I've got to tell you what happened last night,
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  Speaker 2: Dave Matt. Last night we were sitting at the table,
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  Speaker 2: we were eating dinner, and my daughter said, Mom, is
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  Speaker 2: it genetic that you're a teetotaler. She said, because Mama,
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  Speaker 2: my grandmother, her great grandmother, was a teetotaler. Grandmammy is
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  Speaker 2: a teetotaler, and you're you're a teetotler. So and she said,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm a tee toller. Of course she just turned sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: Of course she's a teetotaler. But she said, is it genetic?
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  Speaker 2: And I started laughing. I'm like, no, sweetheart. I've just
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  Speaker 2: been in so many court cases, literally thousands of court
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  Speaker 2: cases typically, I would see them, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: go to a renowned attorney, Alan Bennett joining me former
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  Speaker 2: assistant DA partner now at Gunter Bennett and anthis GBA
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  Speaker 2: firm dot com. Alan, literally thousands and that's hard to
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  Speaker 2: take in, but over ten years of handling, you know,
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  Speaker 2: three or four hundred cases a month, it adds up, right,
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  Speaker 2: So I would see I spent The first one I
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  Speaker 2: saw was this gorgeous female stockbroker and she came into court.
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  Speaker 2: I was what they called a pony at that time.
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  Speaker 2: I was assigned to a seasoned district attorney and I
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  Speaker 2: was learning from him, and he was really a great prosecutor.
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  Speaker 2: And that may be the first guilty plea I ever
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  Speaker 2: took from someone.
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  Speaker 1: She was beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: She had been a very successful stock broker, but she
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  Speaker 2: got addicted. It was alcohol, and she lost her license
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  Speaker 2: as a stockbroker, her job, her husband left her. She
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  Speaker 2: had two or three children. She never got to see them,
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  Speaker 2: and she, I think was an habitual violator. She had
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  Speaker 2: pulled a dui, you know, eight or nine times until
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  Speaker 2: it was finally a felony.
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  Speaker 1: She lost everything.
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  Speaker 2: That's the first time I saw what alcohol or drugs
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  Speaker 2: could do to someone. I had never seen that in
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  Speaker 2: my life. Them from there, it really went downhill. You know,
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  Speaker 2: people burning the house down, trying to cook crack, people
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  Speaker 2: getting shot in drug deals, and I mean people with jobs,
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  Speaker 2: with children and families and homes that were functioning alcoholics
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  Speaker 2: or functioning dopaddicts.
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  Speaker 5: You darn right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a tea toler I mean, Alan Bennett, I can't
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  Speaker 2: really count the number of cases like that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you're absolutely right, Nancy, and I myself have seen
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  Speaker 4: the exact same thing in my career, people losing everything.
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  Speaker 4: When crack cocaine first became prevalent in the early nineties,
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  Speaker 4: we thought that was the worst thing in the world.
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  Speaker 4: When I was a prosecutor, and later in my career
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  Speaker 4: coming to find that methamphetamine is even worse. Ladies speaking
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  Speaker 4: earlier a moment, those absolutely correct research is clear perhaps
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  Speaker 4: given the choice of cocaine or food or sex, will
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  Speaker 4: choose cocaine over food or sex until they eventually starve
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  Speaker 4: to death. Crack cocaine is what we've heard, who is
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  Speaker 4: chasing the dragon. Research indicates that the first time someone
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  Speaker 4: uses crack cocaine, they get a certain high, a certain euphoria.
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  Speaker 4: The second time they use crack cocaine, it's not quite
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  Speaker 4: as intense as the first time. And that is why
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  Speaker 4: crack is believed to be so highly addictive, is because
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  Speaker 4: the person is constantly chasing the dragon. They're always trying
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  Speaker 4: to get back to that first, initial, super intensive high
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  Speaker 4: they got the first time. And yes, I have seen
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  Speaker 4: people living in quarter a half million dollar homes, driving
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  Speaker 4: Mercedes Benz and they try crack cocaine and the first
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  Speaker 4: time they try it suddenly becomes the single most important
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  Speaker 4: thing in their life, and their life then becomes dedicated
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  Speaker 4: to getting more crack cocaine. So absolutely that is a
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  Speaker 4: common phenomenon.
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  Speaker 2: Let me go to a special guest joining us, Alan Bennett,
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  Speaker 2: not that you're not special.
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  Speaker 1: Rachel D. Fisher.
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  Speaker 2: You may know her name because I call on her
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  Speaker 2: often when I have health problems in cases that it's
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  Speaker 2: hard for me to understand.
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  Speaker 1: Rachel D.
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  Speaker 2: Fisher is a forensic nurse expert. She's a sex assault
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  Speaker 2: nurse examiner, a saying sex assault nurse examiner.
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  Speaker 1: She's an expert witness.
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  Speaker 2: She's a PI and author of Taking Back the Pen.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: She is at Forensic Nursing Consulting and Education. Okay, here's
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  Speaker 2: her website, Legal Art inconsult dot org. That's a mouthful, Rachel,
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  Speaker 2: but there's really no way to abbreviate all your qualifications.
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  Speaker 2: Rachel Fisher, this woman seventy pounds. I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: happened to the baby. She was pregnant when she was kidnapped.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what happened to the baby. But at
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  Speaker 2: seventy pounds, this woman was near death.
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  Speaker 6: It would be interesting to see when another through the
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  Speaker 6: out for records. Some medical that just went out within
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  Speaker 6: the past two days. So hopefully one think of the records,
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  Speaker 6: we'll see if there is any indication of when the
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  Speaker 6: birth was, what happened With the mom's help, the child
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  Speaker 6: health because when the patient comes to the hospital, the
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  Speaker 6: mother and the child are boasting as victims if they're
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  Speaker 6: getting for insigms, and PPS typically gets involved. So if that,
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  Speaker 6: hopefully we'll be able to see those records soon. But
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  Speaker 6: the seventy pounds post childbirth, I mean, that's that's not
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  Speaker 6: healthy for anybody who didn't just give birth or a
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  Speaker 6: child groaring age. And she's about thirty two years old.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, that's not a healthy state, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: And as we were hearing from Alan Bennett earlier, and
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  Speaker 2: in my experience of people that had been ever have
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  Speaker 2: ever been exposed to crack, once you're on it, you're
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  Speaker 2: on it and you'll do anything to get the next hit.
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  Speaker 2: Your children, up, matter, your job, your career, your lord, nothing,
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  Speaker 2: nothing matters except getting that hit. Is everybody sitting down.
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  Speaker 2: You may need to lay down for this. And Dave
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  Speaker 2: mac I'm not sure I've got this correct, but you
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  Speaker 2: just tell me if I'm wrong, please correct me, because
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  Speaker 2: I learned this in court.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't have all the facts and you don't
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  Speaker 1: know the law, you're screwed.
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  Speaker 2: You better go in there with the facts and the
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  Speaker 2: law as your sword and your shield. And don't be
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  Speaker 2: afraid to wield them. These are the facts I'm understanding.
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  Speaker 2: Dave mac A neighbor told cops that Carter once said
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: he had three women in his residence and he owned
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: other homes where he quote kept women. The neighbor said
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Carter described the women as quote ungrateful because they quote
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: want more food and drugs. Damn them straight to hell.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: They want food? How dare they get hungry when they're
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: locked in the garage for five years?
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Dave, Matt did you learn that fact that I just learned?
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: Yes, ma'am, I saw it just as you did. And
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: it's so disturbing. This whole this whole story is so disturbing.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: It's actually making my stomach hurt now that I mean,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: it's just so r Kelly. This is like the poor
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: man's r Kelly. Did you hear Viper? The rapper is
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: most well known man I can't wait. I bet Alan
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Bennett would do a backflip as a defense attorney.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, listen to this.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: He's most well known for the two thousand and eight
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: album You Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack. The uploads of
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: his music have received millions of views on YouTube, speaking.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Of the crack.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's no way with the straight face he
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: can say to a jury or his defense attorney can
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: say to a jury, my guy would never touch crag.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: He even wrote a song, a rap song about you cowards.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Don't even smoke crack out that are as, Alan Bennett.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: That's not going to help anything.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I'm so happy there's one glimmer of happiness for me
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: is that he wrote that song and performed it and
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: put it on YouTube.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, we have seen countless examples of prosecutions of folks
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: who the state may or may not have as much
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: evidence as they would like, and then through current forensic
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: abilities to go through and of course he's just out
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: there in front of it. All the current forensic abilities
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: to go through someone's social media, through the phone, to
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: their computers, and their own words ultimately end up convicting
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: them or increasing their punishment. And he's not even having it,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: and he's putting it out there on an album.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And one more thing in addition to his out of
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Alan Bennett. And I'm rushing us, I know, because I've
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: got so much information on this case. You know, the Constitution,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: the Fourth Amendment protects all of us from unreasonable searches
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: by the state, you know, the Feds, the local cops,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: anyone state related. But the constitution doesn't protect you from
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: blabbing to your neighbors. So there's no way these statements
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: to the neighbor. Carter allegedly made that he had three
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: women in his residence and other homes where he quote
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: kept women who were quote ungrateful because they quote wanted more.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Food and drugs.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: That's who we're talking about again. It's the poor man's
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: R Kelly. But the women suffered the same way as R.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Kelly's victims suffered, except this woman was starved seventy pounds.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I mean to you, Rachel D.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Fisher, forensic NURKSE expert, how could she even think rationally
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: at seventy I mean, how could she even think strike?
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: So being on medications and you know crack is listed
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: in this case, that on top of it the lack
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: of nutrition and then your mind, you have a physiological
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: addiction to the substance. So that's what these predators pray
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: on is a vulnerability. So we know that she had
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: a vulnerability. She needed a place to go. He offered
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: her that coercion, you know, fraud giving her, you know,
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: false hopes, I'll take care of you. But then he
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: gives her drugs, and once you have that high and
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: you keep going, you need more, so you're going to
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: have a physical response to that. So even if you
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: get what they call rescued, law enforcement can take her
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: to hospital, she can leave. But they always say why
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: do they go back, Well, they have a physical addiction
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: that their body is gonna, you know, have a lot
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: of really bad things happen if they don't get that
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: next fix. So one of the main reasons they go back,
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: to their viewser is because of that hit, and nobody
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: had addressed the substance, you know, misused portion of it,
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: and it's not disclosed. So on top of the lack
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: of nutrition, it's also the physiological addiction that they're being
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: forced to have in order to stay, you know, in
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: that situation. That's very unsafe because in their mind is gone.
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: They don't even understand the situation they're in, and nothing
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: else really matters because they don't even know what's happening.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: And again we have no idea what happened to the baby.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: The baby's gone, did she give birth? Did he beat
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: her so severely she miscarried. Did he force her to
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: have an abortion? Another question is it's not really a questioned.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: It's a miracle that she managed to get out. I
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: want you to take a listen to our par and
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: investigative reporter for crime stories, Nicole Partner in our cut one.
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: A woman called nine to one one from a texting
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: app and said she was being held against her will.
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: According to KPRC, police rescued the woman from the garage
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: where she was being held captive. But victim weighed about
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: seventy pounds and, according to officers, looked extra dreamely, malnourished
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: and filthy. She had not showered in two months. Investigators
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: went inside the garage and found a broken toilet, a
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: dirty mattress covered in fresh vomit, a box of chips,
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: a few Twinkies, clothes and diapers. There was no shower
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: in the garage, so she would be taken inside the
• 26:17
  Speaker 9: home from time to time. Police took the woman to
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: the hospital.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Now, what were your learning in the last hours?
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: New images showing the inside of the victims filthy garage
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: sell a woman held captive in a dingy garage for
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: five years, Joining me right now, William Slater joining us
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: out of Chicago cybersecurity expert and the chief information security
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: officer at Slater Technologies.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: You can find them at billslater dot com.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Bill explain to me about this texting app she called
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: nine to one one from a She got her mits
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: on his laptop. I guess her for very very few
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: chances to go in and take a shower, she got
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: on his laptop and through some type of texting app
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: called nine to one one.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: How did that happen?
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: Oh, when you install an application, typically it creates a
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: place and browser where when you install it, you select
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: your user name and type in a password. And that's
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: one of the reasons it's so dangerous to get into
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: people's computers if you got access and start going through
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: their browser history and finding what they've been looked at.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: Because everybody, uh is so lazy these days. They just
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: go to the website and it automatically logs them in.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: So she was logged in as him.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: This is what I'm learning about this app I was
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: asking about.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Take a listen hour cut for Nicole Parton.
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: The victim was reportedly able to use her kidnappers laptop
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: to contact police on a free textap text Now. It
• 28:02
  Speaker 9: offers nationwide phone service for free. Download the app to
• 28:05
  Speaker 9: make calls without paying a phone bill. You can use
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: your existing number or get a new one and text
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: or call for free on Wi Fi instantly.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: So is that how she did it? William Slater?
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: A lot of people have never heard of text and Now,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: but it's basically.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: A free phone service through Wi Fi.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: Correct. Correct. And he was already using that as the user.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: And she probably saw the icon on his desktop and
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: clicks on it and boom she could get in. It's
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: very easy to use the application, you know.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: We are learning also that she tried multiple times to escape.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to who I'm Online in our cut three.
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: Police say they have been called to the home eight
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: times in the past year. The woman says he took
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: her to the garage where he boarded up the windows.
• 28:51
  Speaker 10: A neighbor tells kat ArKade that on one occasion he
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: was speaking to the police about what was going on
• 28:56
  Speaker 10: in the home, and as he is talking to the cops,
• 28:58
  Speaker 10: the woman comes crawling out the window, clawing her way out.
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: Eight months pregnant, the woman said she would beg Carter
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: every day to let her go, but he would threaten
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: to hurt her, and the time she tried to escape,
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: the man would catch her and take her back to
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: the garage.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: So let me understand something. Dave Mac, a neighbor, says
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: that on one occasion he was speaking to police. So
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: obviously a neighbor did call police, was speaking to police
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: about what was going on, and the woman actually claws
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: her way out of a window.
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: Did that happen, Dave Matt, Yes, ma'am, that is exactly
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: what happened.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Is it true, Dave Mac? That on some occasions she
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: would actually get to go to the hospital, but he
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: would always get her and take her back to the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: garage and beat her.
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: Exactly true.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: So what do we know about that Phil waters former home?
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Was I detake to Houston PD now at Kindred Spirits PI.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: That begs the question, Phil, did the hospital not notice
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: something was wrong? Did he take her there after she
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: miscarried the baby? How do you explain that?
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Feel?
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know that I can. My concern is is
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: that the hospitals, if they recognize or see any signs
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: of abuse, sexual abuse, malnourishment, those kinds of factors with
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: a patient being brought in to the hospital they are
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: compelled by law to report to police at that moment
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: in time that they're seeing something here that has caused
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: some concern. So I'm struck by the fact that at
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: least in the affidavit, it says that she had gone
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: to the hospital and he kept picking her up and
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: taking her home. So I just I'm not sure where
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: the disconnect came. And i mean, what does that mean.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Does that mean that when she went to the hospital,
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: she did not make an outcry. There was nothing there
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: that would indicate to the personnel there at the hospital
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: that there was something going on here in terms of abuse,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: and they did not notify law enforcement. So there's a
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: whole lot of stuff that we don't know, and there's
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: always a backstory. So I'm I'm curious to see how
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: this thing fleshes out in terms of where police got involved.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Eight times to this house, and and you know, finally
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: this time in April, this officer, patrol officer pursues this
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: because he hears her, you know, reaching out from the
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: from the structure.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: And calling out for help, and he hears it this
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: time Champagne Karen.
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: Start, Yeah, I just wonder, you know what kind of
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: story he might have been able to come up with
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: to explain to the hospital that he was there to
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: pick her up. And it's in fact, and it sounds
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: like she was, you know, that addicted that she would
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: just go along with the story.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Well I know this, Karen, if this helps you at all.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: According to a neighbor, Jenediah Bates, he says about a
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: year before he would see the defendant the wrapper viper,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: back his car up to the garage, force her into
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: the car, then take the car out onto the front yard.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: And it's very odd, Karen Stark. His front yard is
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: very neatly kept. The home looks like it's just been painted,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: so you don't suspect you're holding a woman inside hostage
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: for five years.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: So long story short, he'd get her into the car,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: lock the.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Car doors, back the car across the grass to the
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: front door, and take her into the house to get
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: a bath, and then force her back in the car.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Not let her walk so she could get away, but
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: force her back into the car and pull it back
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: to the garage and force her in.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Guys, Right now, we are being joined by a special guest,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Shauna Burns.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: She is the mother of Heley Burns.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Heley was lured by an online predator when she was
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: a teen girl, and she was held captive in.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: The predator's home for over a year.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: She was starved, she was sex assaulted, and this is
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: as a teen girl.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Shauna, thank you for being with us.
• 33:55
  Speaker 11: Thank you for having me.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: When you are hearing this case unfold, a lot of people,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: as you know.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Are saying, why did she leave?
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Why didn't she get out of there when he opened
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: the door, Why didn't she run out?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: It's not like that.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: What have you learned from your experience with your daughter
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: being taken and hailed, captive, beaten, sex assaulted, starved for
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: over a year.
• 34:24
  Speaker 11: The situation is so similar. My daughter was also starved,
• 34:28
  Speaker 11: and because of that, it made her her ability to
• 34:32
  Speaker 11: think into function very limited. Even when, like even when
• 34:37
  Speaker 11: we were with her twelve to sixteen to eighteen hours
• 34:41
  Speaker 11: after we recovered her, she was still not mentally all there.
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: It was very she was still very much under his control.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: What was going through your mind in that year plus
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: that your daughter was hell hostage?
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: A million thoughts at the same time. Is she okay?
• 34:59
  Speaker 11: Is she does she need me? Is she crying? Out
• 35:02
  Speaker 11: for me, Like, what if she's calling out for me?
• 35:05
  Speaker 11: What if she needs me? What if I can't get
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: to her? Like that's the hardest part is being a
• 35:10
  Speaker 11: mom is you want to protect your kid and you
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: want to keep your kids safe. And we knew very
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: early on. We knew that our daughter had been loured
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: away by an internet predator. We knew it, the FBI
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: knew it, and we knew that the person that had
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: her did not have good intentions. So the whole time
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: that she was gone, it was just like, what is
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: happening to her? What horrific things is she enduring?
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: And why?
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: Like, how can we get to her to save her?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I want you to hear more from Michael Collins, Commander
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Michael Collins from the Houston PD in our cut eight.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: The concern is that we possibly had an individual located
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: inside this residence, perhaps locked inside one of the interior rooms.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: You can see behind me the way the house is
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: laid out. On the west side of the residence, there
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: is an attached garage and that had a dead bolt
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: on the outside of the actual unit, so that somebody
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: on the inside was only able to gain entry or
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: leave if it was unlocked. From the outside, so we
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: weren't sure if anybody was inside.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, a woman was inside for five years, starving and
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: being raped. It's uncanny that this type, this very odd
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: type of kidnapping, where you keep the personli like an
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: enslaved pet in your home and mistreat It happens over
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: and over and over, and no one seems to notice.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Do I have to say the words, Aerial Castro, take
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: a listen to our cup thirty four.
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: When Amanda Berry called nine one one on May sixth,
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: twenty thirteen, it was an answered prayer after ten years
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: of captivity when many people thought you was dead. But
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: that was just the start of what Cleveland was going
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: to find out. In two thousand and three, Ariel Castro
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: offered to give Amanda Barry a ride home from her
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: job at Burger King. The sixteen year old new Castro's
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: children and got in his car. Castro took her back
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: to his house, where he assaulted her and held her captive.
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: But she wasn't the only one. A year before Amanda
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: Barry was kidnapped, twenty year old Michelle Knight got a
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: ride from Castro, and she became his first prisoner. In
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: two thousand and four. Castro added another victim, fourteen year
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: old Gina DeJesus. She was a close friend of his
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: daughter Arlene. Castro kept the women chained in his basement
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: and tortured and raped them.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Daily and more.
• 37:42
  Speaker 8: While keeping the girls captive, Castro lived a normal life.
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: Family came to his house, but he locked certain areas.
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: He even attended a vigil for Gina DeJesus. He moved
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: the girls into a barricaded room upstairs. Throughout their captivity,
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: Castro restrained the women and subjected them to multiple sexual
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: Assaul Woltz. When Night became pregnant, which happened several times,
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: Castro starved and beat her until she miscarried. He allowed
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: Barrie's pregnancy to come to term, but forced her to
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: give birth inside a plastic swimming pool. He kept the
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: women captive in his house for years, where he tormented
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: and raped them. Barrie's escape on May six, twenty thirteen,
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: calling nine to one one led to Castro's arrest on
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: August first. He was sent to prison for life plus
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: one thousand years. Castro was found hanged in a prison
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: cell September third, twenty thirteen.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: The mo so similar modus opera and ni method of operation,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: grabbing the sixteen year old girl off the street, luring
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: her into his car much the same way that this
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: victim was lured. A lot has been kept secret. In
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the current case, the case in chief, the judge Evan
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: vacated the courtroom to read charges and allegations out loud
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: due to the nature of the crimes, So Castro kept
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: not one, but multiple women chained in a home while
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: he led a normal life, much like Lee Carter aka
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Viper the Rapper, I guess A similar case that is
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: eerily similar to this case is that of schoolgirl j C.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Dugard Take a list hour cut twenty nine.
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: Jac Lee Dugard was eleven years old when she was
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: abducted off the street while walking to her school bus stop.
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: Philip Grido, a convicted sex offender, and his wife Nancy,
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: lured Jc close enough to their car to grab her.
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: Garrito shot Jac with a taser and Nancy covered her
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: with lankets. Jac Duguard was driven one hundred and seventy
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: miles away to Antioch, where she would be housed in
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: the backyard, cut off from the entire world. The gridos
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: kept Jac Duguard captive in her backyard prison. The Gredos
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: start calling her Alyssa, and she is raped by Philip Garrido.
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: Jace becomes pregnant for the first time at age fourteen
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: and gives birth to a healthy baby girl. She's pregnant
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: again at seventeen and gives birth to another baby girl.
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: In both case, the Garritos delivered the children without any
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  Speaker 8: medical assistance. Soon, jc Duguard's daughters are living with her
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  Speaker 8: in her backyard prison.
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  Speaker 2: Jac Duguard kept for years along with her children. Their
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  Speaker 2: father was her kidnapper, sash rapist. And then there is
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  Speaker 2: another young girl that I can't forget, Abby Hernandez.
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  Speaker 8: Take a listen as Abby Hernandez walks home from school,
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  Speaker 8: blisters from her new boots for making it hard to walk.
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  Speaker 8: A stranger offers a ride. She gets in in seconds.
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  Speaker 8: The man pulls a gun, tells Abby if she screams
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  Speaker 8: or tries to escape, there will be consequences. He handcuffs her,
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  Speaker 8: breaks her cell phone, and drives to a rural wooded area.
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  Speaker 8: The man ties her up, sexually assaults the fourteen year old,
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  Speaker 8: and locks her in a sound proof shipping container. To
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  Speaker 8: make matters worse, he adds a shock collar. Around her
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  Speaker 8: neck to keep her from screaming. Abby Hernandez is being drugged,
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  Speaker 8: sexually assaulted, tortured with a dog collar, kept in a
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  Speaker 8: sound proof shipping container, and now her captor demands she
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  Speaker 8: call him master, and he claims he has rigged the
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  Speaker 8: storage container where he holds the teenager to erupt into
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  Speaker 8: flames if she attempts to escape. Her captor becomes more
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  Speaker 8: paranoid about getting caught with the bad money.
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  Speaker 2: I've got so many similar transactions. But before I go
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  Speaker 2: back to the case in chief, I would be remiss
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  Speaker 2: if I don't mention the case of someone I now
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  Speaker 2: call a friend, Alisha Kozykevitch, who amazingly survived a similar kidnap.
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  Speaker 2: Take listen ower cut twenty seven.
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  Speaker 8: When Alicia kozy Kevich was thirteen, she was groomed, lured,
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  Speaker 8: and abducted by an internet predator named Scott Tyree. Tyree
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  Speaker 8: gained her trust, and, as Alisha has said, Tyree lured
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  Speaker 8: her out of the house between dinner and dessert. Tyree
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  Speaker 8: took Alisha to his home in Virginuary. He kept her
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  Speaker 8: chain to the floor. He was live streaming what he
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  Speaker 8: had been doing to Alisia online. People were watching as
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  Speaker 8: she had her hands bound above her head, crying, beating, bleeding, begging, raping,
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  Speaker 8: and on it.
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  Speaker 2: Alicia was saved because another sex predator was seeing the
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  Speaker 2: live stream and felt so bad about it he a
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  Speaker 2: predator called police. To Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining us
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  Speaker 2: from Manhattan, it's another layer of torture, of rape, of kidnapping,
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  Speaker 2: to keep the person like they're some sort of pit,
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  Speaker 2: like an animal that you keep against their will, assault, beat, rape, starve.
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  Speaker 2: What is that that's beyond a normal rapist or kidnapper.
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  Speaker 7: Well, that Nancy's brainwashing, that is making the person be
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  Speaker 7: your slave. And if you listen to this young girls
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  Speaker 7: who was the brain is just developing. And so how
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  Speaker 7: did they begin to have this into themselves and know
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  Speaker 7: the difference between who they are and the person who's.
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  Speaker 1: Turning them into their personal slave.
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  Speaker 7: So it's a tactic that actually works to further enslave
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  Speaker 7: the person.
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  Speaker 1: To you.
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  Speaker 2: Dave Matt crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter, where does the
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: case against Lee Carter aka Viper stand right now?
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  Speaker 8: Shockingly enough, Nancy after his first court appearance, he had
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: one hundred thousand dollars bond. He made the bond and
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  Speaker 8: got out. There were some conditions of bail. I mean
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: he's got to wear an ankle bracelet and you stay
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  Speaker 8: around the house. But in reality, the investigation has just started.
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  Speaker 8: He will be appearing back in court in the coming weeks.
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  Speaker 8: But this has been turned over to the Sex Trafficking
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  Speaker 8: Human Trafficking Division at the Houston Police Department.
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  Speaker 1: So this guy's on bond, yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also very curious about the other three women he
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  Speaker 2: bribed about keeping in different domiciles. If you know or
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: think you know anything about this victim, her ordeal or
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: the other alleged victims, please call seven to one three
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  Speaker 2: three zero eight sixteen hundred. And if you don't know
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: who the viper is, just check out YouTube. He's already
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: gotten four million downloads of his song You cowards don't
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  Speaker 2: take crack.
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  Speaker 1: That's impressive. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye friend,