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The Philosophy of Music ft Kwaku Asante · Think Twice Show

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Are you feeling sadder than you used to be?
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It's just Spotify rap this year. Just a bit heavier in the 2000s.
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R&B had. Sadness, but it felt hopeful Neo
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made club hits about his love. John Legend made pain sound
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romantic and Usher sang about cheating but was always wrapped
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in apology and melody. There was always an element of
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hope and joy. Then the 20 tens arrive.
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The weekend makes sadness sound dark.
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Frank Ocean makes it abstract and Bryson Tiller makes it numb.
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The musical narrative goes from fixing pain to sing in it.
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Fast forward to the 20 twenties. Brent Fire sounds like he's not
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even chasing them o'deal's often.
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Analysing his own romantic behaviour.
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And David sounds lonely in a way that's very online, not to
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mention all his other stuff. So has something changed in US
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or is this? Just.
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All nostalgia. Welcome to Think's Worst.
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Thank you for joining us. However you're listening or
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watching today, we appreciate you.
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Thank you. And today.
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We have. Quick with Anthony.
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And Ben's without that. And obviously, if we have this
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phenomenal R&B singer, we're going to talk about R&B.
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We have to so. Straight to the first question,
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are R&B artists today a reflection of a sad society, or
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are they simply more honest? I think R&B is are more honest
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and I think that comes from not having as much pressure from
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gatekeepers, industry people to project the same image of
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themselves and they can be more honest and their raw emotions
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can come through in the music. I also think there's elements of
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society that have shifted, but I think if I had to pick an
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outside, I'd say it's more honest the R&B today.
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What do you think? I think it's a reflection of a
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sad society. So I think if you look at where,
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you know, most successful R&B artists come from, they come
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from like city cities and like metropolitan areas, and their
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cost of living usually is higher, right?
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And I think in these cities, in order to exist, it's become a
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lot harder, especially for an artist.
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So I think the struggle is so much so that it's affecting
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people's mental and the way it affects people's mental when
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people are, I don't want to say more unstable, maybe a bit more
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volatile. The interactions they have,
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they've lack of relationships and women, they probably can't
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communicate, they're probably it's standoffish.
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And you think the the the major reason behind this is like
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violence? I don't think the major reason.
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I think it's definitely like a variable that affects like their
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mood it. Is one of the.
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Reasons, yeah. One of the reasons and I think
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but at the same time that the most important thing is to be
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able to put food in your in your belly and like be able to pay
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your rate and make your way and even make your way to the
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sessions. Right, right, right.
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It's definitely having an impact on people's mental health.
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And I think that in itself, people are more stable
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interactions with black relationships, both hero and
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home role at that moment that everybody's just on edge.
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And I think that breeds these topics of R&B that we haven't
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really heard before that EOR and B, do you know what I mean?
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That people being detached from relationships, you know, which
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could come across as toxic, but they just don't know how to
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communicate. They're not, you know, really
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forthcoming with their feelings. I guess my question is, do you
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think that that stuff was always there though, and it just wasn't
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marketable for gatekeepers and industry execs, so they just
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never put it in front of everyone?
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Or do you think that that is a new phenomenon that is very much
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of this age? That wasn't a thing, but.
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I think there's a new phenomenon I think I think music, I think
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R&B is 1 What's happening in real time.
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As an example of what's happened to that half a genres like rock,
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for example, before Nirvana came rock, it was like this big
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theatrical thing and Nirvana came cool thing bombed out of
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the water. Everybody now is doing this cool
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emo kind of understated, like mutant guitar type of thing.
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Alternative R&B. When you think of your, your
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like your breaths and kind of stuff like that.
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I think it's just taking a new shape, a new form.
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It's developed. Yeah, that's interesting because
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I, I think that that's, that was always there.
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Like I think obviously part of why I say that is not because I,
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I was there in that time and I there, there, I think the range
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of like human experiences and the way black people interpret
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their lived experience is so broad that I kind of like by
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default had to have been there, you know what I mean?
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Well. It's hard to prove causation.
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So like I looked at it quite deeply and like 42% of Gen Z
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teens feel persistent sadness. That's 50% more than teens in
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the 2000s 15% of Gen Z say their mental health is excellent,
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which is down 52% from millennials.
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Over 40% of Gen Z have been diagnosed with mental health
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conditions, which is the highest of any generation, and there's
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been a 25% spike post 2020. Society is undeniably for young
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people, undeniably saddle, and people are being more honest.
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I think both things are happening.
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I don't know if there's like causation, but there is
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definitely correlation between these two things happening at
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the same time. And people can be more honest
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simply because basically there was success with a polished
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version. So there was success with the
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story of polished vocals or like radio friendly hooks and like
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perfect love imagery there was. No success with that, Yeah.
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And, and there's like data to show that these sort of songs,
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these sort of this sort of music did better during that term, But
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when that was all stripped away, and that was stripped away
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simply because of streaming, streaming is basically the
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reason why it's stripped away. And as a result, it created like
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fragmented parts of R&B. And when they create fragmented
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parts of R&B, people could make the R&B that they kind of wanted
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to make and talk about the things they wanted to talk
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about. And in 2011, like Wiki gained by
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the weekend was like, unbelievably.
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I swear I honestly that is exactly the person I was going
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to talk about because he was the birth of it 100%.
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And his success basically like allowed other people to now be
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successful making it. And even if you if you, even if
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you look at like the success between the 2000s and now, the
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success is actually the same. Like so to say it's one or the
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other. It's actually really hard to say
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really. You can't prove it.
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You can't prove it either way. But yeah, I think both of them
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is both is true, really. Yeah.
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I I would say though that obviously R&B in particular,
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there's always been a focus on love, right?
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There's always been an essence of R&B that is about love, and I
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think if I look at it through the lens of like love, the music
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of love, it is a timeless topic. Do you know what I mean?
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It's something that like, was there then is here today and
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will always be a thing. So as much as Gen Z are
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depressed, it's like like obviously.
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Yeah, I don't. I don't mean I don't mean Gen Z
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are depressed today. It's like I, I think that
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depression is a myriad of like variables that has contributed
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to that. Part of it is like the wider
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sort of hopelessness in the world, the group generated by
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the political, by the world and group, and obviously like the
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ecology, the way the Mother Earth has been damaged.
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I think one major factor that you probably don't haven't
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mentioned is social media was I was.
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Social, right. Right Reason, yeah.
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Yeah. But but I guess what I'm saying
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is that if we look at R&B, there has to kind of be a focus on
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love. And I think love has persisted
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throughout all the agent and and I would almost like elevate the
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importance of that within the R&B genre.
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But what does it mean? That supports the argument that
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it's not a societal change that has changed R&B.
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But it's a story they're telling about love that's.
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Changed, I think, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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But it's it's supports my argument that it's, it's more
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about honesty now, like it's always been, there's always been
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a sadness in people about love. And I'm saying the like.
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Society, you're saying? That's always.
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Been that's always been the case.
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Young, old, whatever generation there is more of a.
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Spotlight on it now. Yeah, and people can be more
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honest about how they feel about love now versus but.
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As I said before, I think it's the causation thing that there's
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I think there is a correlation and I think in regards to, you
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know, before there was definitely that topics of, you
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know, it being about love being hard or love being like, you
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know, painful and you don't love this person because they do bad
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to you. But I think even maybe not in
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the lyricism, but even even more so with like the, the, the
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imagery connected to, to R&B as well, I think it'll come a lot
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more darker. I think when it comes to that
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marketing, you know, I saw that nature.
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I was kind of a little born. I'm like I said all that cool.
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Like, you know, even though it may not be like actually true
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that, that it seems like 2 days are happening at the same time.
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Whether you can link them up for the up for that discussion,
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which is what we're doing. How how do you guys feel like
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because you met with social media, how do you think that has
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impacted? Music like actually the actual.
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Content of the music, like what do you guys think about that?
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It essentially supports the style of music that is being
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made rather black because social media and like younger audience
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demand like authenticity from their artists, right?
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They they demand to sort of like know the artists in the sense
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have like a parasocial sort of relationship with them.
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And when you make authentic music, not everything is happy
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all the time. And as a result, the music that
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people then make isn't always happy.
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And it it sort of pushes you to make more music like that.
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And that's probably the impact social media has had in that
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sort of sense on the style of actual music.
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It's essentially changed the model because the model before
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was OK, we can spend a large budget on your production, your
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roll out, your music videos, because we could see these cost
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10 to $15. Basically, we're going to get a
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lot of money back from her. But because streaming money is
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so little now, we're not going to get that money back from you.
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So we can't spend that on your roll outs.
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And the the sort of alternative to that now is to sell
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authenticity, sell yourself because you can't create this
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story anymore. You can't create this image.
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You have to sell yourself. And that's where social media
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sort of impacts the whole, the bigger picture.
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I agree. And on top of the economics of
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it, I also think there's there would it be an authenticity
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problem if you tried to do like that kind of R&B because people
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demand you to be on social media, like you have to be on
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social media as an artist today. So if you try to do that very
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polished, like character building of the 2000s, it would
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fall apart on social media when you have the banger live, like
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you can't keep up with the character 24/7.
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It just wouldn't really work, I don't think, in today's age.
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I think now the lines have to be blurred.
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Before, you know, 2000s, you would have a persona and then
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you'd have the actual person. Yeah, but we all know that
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Michael Jackson don't moonwalk in this crib.
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Do you guys want to say, like, do you know what I mean?
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You know how it's funny? You have a different voice,
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yeah. Yeah, finally I've got a deep, a
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deep, a deep Husky thing, a deep Husky thing.
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You get out of there a different voice I heard from the great man
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so. But yeah, no, no authenticity
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definitely sounds like even from my own personal spirits, you'll
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do a bit of content where the team you've I Polish come out
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and then you just do one thing where you're just with your
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presence, the team flies. I don't know, like, and I think
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it kind of also reflects just what people are willing to
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accept. And I think it feels more
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genuine. It feels less, I can add,
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separate from music, like big brands, the way that people buy
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into the brands, if they feel a connection to the brand, if they
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feel that there's like a a common, a commonality between
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the two. And I think it's the same thing
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with music. But I think, yeah, I think now
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less is more. And it kind of benefits the fact
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that for the reason, Benner said.
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Budgets are smaller. Because streaming is less money
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so it's kind of weird how all these things are going hand in
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hand. Yeah, they're all quiet.
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It's all. Yeah, definitely.
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Do you guys think it's a good thing though?
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Like the the focus on authenticity.
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Well, on to the second question. Jump the gun there.
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On to the second question, do you prefer the rawness of
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today's R&B or the Polish of 2000s R&B?
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And both, I think both have a time and a place, both have a
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both have a different time of the day, different mood.
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I think the 2000s vocals. I like a good hook.
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I like good song structure. And that kind of, it scratches
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the bit of your brain like, you know, and then just have a low
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finest. The rawness, more like rappy,
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like it's more Skippy in it. There's longer notes now.
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It's like a bit more like less vocalist.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's less, more like ballotic,
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you know what I mean? And I think I like both because
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both scratched a different part of my brain.
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And I think even in my music as well, there's stuff that is on
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both sides of the spectrum. Because I I believe you're not
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trying to hear, you know, big vogue, like big vocals that when
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you're trying to relax in it, you're trying to sometimes
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you're trying to chill and just listen to like a local frank.
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Yeah. Lacole, lacole, lacole lolly,
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bruh and all that stuff. But yeah.
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I, I think, I think I like the ruinous of today's R&B, if I'm
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being honest. The, the one thing that makes me
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hesitate though, is like this trend of us being overbearing on
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the artists that we listen to. Like, I just think at some point
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that is going to crack, if it hasn't cracked already.
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And I think the, the toll that it takes on artists to be
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present online and to allow their fans to have access to
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their entire lives at some point takes away from the art, right?
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You was asking too much from an artist, so as much as I do like
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the rawness in the music, I'm a little bit worried about what
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that means for the artists themselves.
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Yeah, it's heartbreaking for me to say, but the old hierarchical
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oppressive system like unfortunately.
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Oh good. Choose my music.
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I can't lie like and but like. Logically it should though, like
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if some, if, if music has to pass through so many philtres
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and it's refined for your, for your hearing, for your
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listening, like it should logically be better, which it is
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like I can't. And it's sad like because I had
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to sit there, I had to ask myself like Ben's like, what's
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wrong with you? Like do you support this?
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Like, are you really happy to conclude here, you know?
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What I mean and, and, and the weird thing is like you like
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what you like and that's that's just that's just what it is.
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And the results I felt, are better, like the music is
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better, but I still prefer the system today, if that makes
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sense. So like the system in the way it
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is, I think is the right way. It's a more democratic system.
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Agreed. Agreed.
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But the results of the 2000s were better, unfortunately.
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And and yeah, logically. You should let's, let's really
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get into it though. But obviously I know you and I
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know how you enjoy music, right? And a lot of your enjoyment of
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music derives from your subjective experience when
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listening to the music itself. And that part of that is like,
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where you are in your life, how you're feeling, like what's
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going on in your life, right? Do you think that your
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preference for the 2000s is because of like some nostalgia
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you had at that time in your life?
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I don't think so, no. Like, because we were children
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like we were having quite like, like.
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Of course, but even still, the, as you can see on the on the
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walls, like is my favourite time from music for like around about
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2015 to 3019. That wasn't the music then Gio
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and Neil. So like it's, it's not like I
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have a particular affinity to 2000s R&B even.
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It's just that, as I said, in those sort of first segment,
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they had bigger budgets. Bigger budgets meant you had
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better production, you had more songwriters, you had better
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videos, you had vocal training, you had better quality control.
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You had just so many layers. It had to get past before it got
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to my ear. And then and then on top of
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that, the radios then had to support it as well if it wasn't
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maybe a bit of payola, but they still had to support it.
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And once they then support it, then arrives at me in England
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for me to hear it. Do you get what I mean?
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And like, it has. So it should logically be better
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than something that someone made in their bedroom and released on
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SoundCloud. Yeah.
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And I think and the thing that you just said as well, say, for
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example, you know, raw and refined, it goes anything like a
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product that you found in the shop at a supermarket, it goes
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through certain stages and when it gets to you, it's refined,
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right. So I feel like what you're
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saying that makes quite a sense, but it's also down to what you
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prefer. I think of not, I don't want to
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say objectively, but the producers, the musicians, the
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time, the budget that went into making those records from
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before. Have you have you heard Voodoo?
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Yeah, It's crazy that it took it as in the apparently their the
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studio budget for for the album that they burnt through it.
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But I think also as well, that also ties into you were allowed
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to take your time back then. So is that also a reflection of
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the quality that we're hearing? Maybe because it's a case of,
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say, for example, what happened with Brent and that and that he
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was about to drop something. But then apparently the team
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said that more because he wants to make something that is more
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reflective of the quality of music as opposed to feeding the
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algorithm. And I think that is definitely
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playing a part in maybe what we're hearing.
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Maybe people are like, OK, cool. I could probably refine this
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song idea and album more. But I know given the algorithm,
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the social media, although it is more democratic, you've got
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you've got to be, you've got to be active.
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So I think definitely like turn into what Ben said.
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I think that is that definitely contributes to the reason why
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you're like the music back then, the structure, even even just
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the piece that pay for a vocal coach was different.
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Then again, another thing that also supports Ben's point is a
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lot of the music that's popping now is just, oh, it's Neptunes
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that just repackaged like a lot of the music sounds like the
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music from then. And I think people are
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understanding that there was a certain like gold dust in that
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period folded, could have been made in 2000, you know what I
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mean, $1,000,000. Baby by.
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Tommy Richmond last year, but that sounds like a Neptune's
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tanger. So all these songs that are
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massive, they have it's like a like a nod that kind of like,
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yo, I'm well versed in an in, in, in the language of 2000 R&B,
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but let me just put a new spin on it with Tommy Richmond, like
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the the the the brand, the honest nature of the new R&B is
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cool. I don't know.
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You can, you can, you can hear the the the expensive of.
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It Yeah. I think I think though.
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The authenticity of of today, in a sense, it makes the music
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better. You know, I, I do understand the
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musicality part of it, right? But when you listen to to old
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school R&B, yes, it, it, it sounds great.
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It is amazing, but does it have a story?
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Like that tracks like 4 from what you said before in terms of
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like like because I'm separating the art from the artist kind of
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geese whilst you're not. Yeah, I'm not.
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I'm so. Like that would trap that you
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would enjoy it more like whilst obviously I don't.
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As a result. Yeah, no, I hear it.
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And also there's a point around diversity as well, right?
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Because if you've got a certain amount of execs who are
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gatekeepers and it's like a funnel, right?
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You have to get through them to make the music.
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The diversity of the stories and the artists themselves is going
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to be Hanford. And, and one thing I do also
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think the reason why I said the difference between what I think
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is better and what I prefer take ties into what we were talking
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about earlier in regards to people's mood, right?
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I think in today's age, there's more times I'm going to be
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listening to the R&B of today than that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know what I mean?
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I'm I'm. Listening to old R&B, kind of
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like when you're starting a point.
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Do you get what I'm trying to say?
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You're trying to. You're trying.
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To forget what the real world is like.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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To get it. So that's why I like I can
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acknowledge that the RB then was more polished.
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I don't want to say I don't I wouldn't say about production
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because I think the production is like now, but I think when it
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comes to that vocals, I think, but I'm definitely listen to
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more R&B of now just because the mood that I'm in probably aligns
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more with that music here because I'm not sure.
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I mean that sometimes I was that it was a bit more like shiny
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buys anyway, the love, you know, I mean.
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I would argue that that's the that's the reason though,
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because like, you know, when you're listening to certain R&B,
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you know, you're not connecting through the story.
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You're like, it's the music, the way the music makes you feel.
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You're projecting the story onto the music, right?
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Whereas I think RB of today, partly because you have access
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to the the artist themselves, you you know the story of the
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artist, you can appreciate good storytelling through that music,
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I think. OK.
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On to the final segment. You've built a following by
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creating work that speaks to a certain struggle.
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And that's what people know you for, what they connect to, what
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they even expect from you. Your audience sees themselves in
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it, but your real life has shifted.
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You don't live that struggle anymore.
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In private, you feel like you've outgrown it, and carrying on
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feels false. Still, every time you release
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something new, that's what your audience is waiting for.
21:38
What do you do? Do you continue to create the
21:41
same music or something I'm always of?
21:44
Speaking from that person experience, I'm always of the
21:47
opinion that are we talking about make create an album or a
21:51
project Yeah, I will give something Evan some for me on
21:55
the project. There will be some projects,
21:57
there will be some songs on there to kind of like meet
21:59
people's expectations. And I think that is something
22:03
that's a business decision. That's a business decision.
22:05
And say, for example, if sound to someone and they're expecting
22:08
targets or whatever, there are some songs that would have to
22:11
meet a certain criteria because that's a fan base you don't want
22:15
to alienate. That's a fan base that you kind
22:17
of want to make sure allows us to take over.
22:19
But then me, I love music, I love writing, I love trying new
22:23
things. My influence ranges from R&B and
22:27
soul to other things. And I think this sounds like a
22:31
cop out, but I would just, I think even like that's kind of
22:34
what I do at the moment. But if I had to choose one, I
22:37
would, I would probably do something new because I, I
22:39
actually, otherwise it just, it would just become monotonous and
22:43
boring. And I think one example that I
22:46
can give Justin Bieber, I mean, the fan, the fan base, he's not
22:50
like he has 10 years of R&B. He was actually long enough in
22:53
the R&B category. So I feel like I could use him
22:56
the way his music has changed. He doesn't sound like he did
22:58
when he was 16. And I think your listeners will
23:01
grow with you and they'll they'll still be, you know,
23:04
elements of the older stuff. But I think you owe it to
23:06
yourself to kind of continue to reinvent yourself.
23:09
I would definitely change the music.
23:11
You know, would I do like a full 180?
23:14
Probably like a 90? Like it would sound different,
23:17
but it would just be new sounds over.
23:19
Would you would you explain? Yourself to your fans.
23:21
Do you feel like how, how, how do you feel like that
23:24
relationship is to you? Do you feel like you clearly?
23:28
Feel like you. You want to do something for the
23:30
fans 100% and something for. Yourself.
23:33
But how do you see that relationship?
23:34
Do you feel like you owe them or I would not be able?
23:37
There are a lot of things in my life that I would not have taken
23:39
place if it wasn't for people listening to my reason.
23:41
And and yeah, I think, doesn't that create some pressure?
23:45
Then it does create pressure. In something in a sense, but I
23:48
think it just kind of I mean that kind of like going back to
23:51
like a sport background. Everybody kind of like it.
23:54
You know, I mean like Rast of the occasion come to like save
23:56
us up like a like a match or a game.
23:57
And when you come and you show what you've done, you show what
23:59
you've created, you show that the world that you've built.
24:02
And I wouldn't necessarily call it a pressure.
24:04
I think it's just an expectation that you build when you have a
24:07
reputation of making music that connects with them.
24:10
And I think I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have money.
24:13
Like, do you know what I mean? It's, it's not that I owe them,
24:15
but it's an appreciation that I'm allowed to live up my dreams
24:18
because people connect and and resonate with it.
24:21
But at the same time, I think they would at the start, they
24:24
appreciated me for just being myself and making it easier.
24:27
That is document in my life. And if my life changes, I would
24:31
not be doing the thing that made you want to listen to me in the
24:33
1st place. And then if I don't and I just
24:36
do things to a piece to the to the audience, then I'm doing it
24:40
for a different reason. And then the audience is
24:42
probably going to hear it. And then it just fills that
24:44
lather, rinse, repeat. And then it fills.
24:46
That fills that old school hip hop.
24:48
Around beat, yeah. Yeah, maybe.
24:50
Very star, very star. But benzo I, I make my own.
24:55
Music man, like I I want to make the thing that they come, come,
24:59
come to me comfortable because people don't know what they like
25:02
man bro you. Don't know.
25:04
Bro you have to tell them what they like until they until they.
25:07
See it? Well what bro?
25:09
You think they wanted Prince before Prince was dead?
25:11
They were like, Nah, you think they wanted Jimi Hendrix?
25:14
No, you don't. Defending on the Densro.
25:15
No, when they see it, they're like, OK, no, I see if we.
25:19
Don't know what they're like man.
25:20
Just produce it and they will come first.
25:23
What's good is good. Like I agree.
25:25
I think. I think.
25:27
I don't make music, but I imagine I would channel my life,
25:29
my my emotion through the music. So it didn't have any music.
25:33
Obviously like that sort of works for this show as well,
25:36
like the The Dilemma does. Like, you don't have to.
25:38
It's not music. In a sense it's like, yeah,
25:40
yeah. And if we?
25:41
Feel like think twice and he's a new direction in six months time
25:44
then and that's in our hearts, we'd be doing that.
25:47
We do that, yeah, 100%. I I didn't want to go.
25:49
Back to what you're saying, Quicks, about this relationship
25:53
with the fans and like changing your life changing, because
25:56
obviously Tyler, The Creator was in the bit of hot water
25:58
recently. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:00
And basically it's kind. Of it's kind of because of this,
26:03
right? There was a Tyler, the Creator
26:05
that was from our future from that time that was problematic.
26:09
And obviously he's gone at a certain fan base from that.
26:12
And when obviously the story is when D'angelo's passed, he's
26:16
obviously written a tribute on on on Twitter about D'Angelo.
26:20
And those fans from back at the day are like, yeah, it's not
26:23
competing for them. And obviously that started a
26:25
star online. So did you follow that that?
26:28
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. I was.
26:29
There. What did you think of?
26:30
Like Tyler's response As in what?
26:32
Mute in the comments. And the he did a post as well,
26:34
Yeah, I think, I don't know. Not that he brought on himself,
26:38
but I don't know the stuff that he was doing at the start of his
26:40
career. Buki.
26:42
Crazy like to. The point where I didn't even
26:44
think, I don't know like. Obviously, I respect him.
26:46
As an artist and stuff like that.
26:47
And you know, as you've grown, you've grown with him, but the
26:51
fact that that the people have an issue with it, I don't know,
26:54
it was a bit like it was a bit weird.
26:56
But I do understand you've had an issue with what?
26:58
Sorry, like the fact that the. People that had an issue with it
27:01
yeah, Daniel post that was saying like you'll be an OTTI
27:04
think that's that's just a whole.
27:06
I think that's just the whole other situation of that people
27:08
having being weird online. They're real laughing.
27:10
I think the major problem. Though is does do you have a
27:13
responsibility in the audience that you essentially curate or
27:18
the beginning of your career? Like do you have a
27:19
responsibility to make sure that audience understands you or?
27:25
Do you understand? Because essentially.
27:27
What Tanda creator did was he's created the audience based on in
27:31
his life and the music that and the themes that he wants to to
27:35
push, but he's no longer there. But that audience is still
27:38
there. Do you still owe it to that?
27:40
Audience. No.
27:42
You don't know. No.
27:43
I I, I think he. Should have maybe nipped it
27:45
nipped that stuff in the bud though.
27:47
Like at some point in the past he should have explained to
27:52
weirdos online that follow him. Like I'm not with that anymore.
27:55
The thing is though, like. The weird you say weirdos online
27:59
but he made weird people music. Like that's what I'm saying
28:02
though. But.
28:03
As part of his pivot, I think he needs to come out and be like
28:05
pivot enough, but at what point was he meant to?
28:07
Have said that whenever that. Whenever that matches, like that
28:11
point in how he feels, when he feels like I'm no longer that
28:14
person. But I think just.
28:16
In the music that he's been making and the art has been
28:19
completely unclear. Oh, because you.
28:21
Can't get me. I could have lied.
28:23
To you. Mine went from is he like a lot
28:26
of cockroach, a lot of cockroach early or early doors to doing
28:30
what's your name? What bro?
28:33
If you don't get the moment, then you're just stuck in the
28:36
past, my bro, or like, maybe you're just like, I don't know.
28:38
Even for me, though, I have AI have like a problem with, you
28:42
know, probably the demographic of his music then was probably
28:45
the demographic of people who listened to the music then were
28:48
probably more white, right. I have a issue with, you know,
28:51
when an artist, a rap or whatever, wants to be more
28:55
artistic and you have a problem with that.
28:57
They want to be more honest, as they say, with their music, and
28:59
you have a problem with that. But you need to look inwards
29:02
because that's a you. That's a you problem.
29:04
Definitely a dem. Problem.
29:05
But it's also a title problem. Agreed.
29:08
Yeah, yeah, yeah, do. You know what I mean and.
29:09
Like on on some level he gets to eat off that popularity because
29:13
he hasn't alienated those fans. That's what sends him number one
29:16
in the charts if he does got come out.
29:18
And be like look. I I no longer identify with XY
29:21
and Z. However, he wants to know I no
29:22
longer identify the high. Flawed or something?
29:24
Yeah, that the fact that they're still.
29:28
There is mad to me. What's that?
29:31
Leave it what? Genuinely the reason why arms
29:35
are apparent is because I thought the man wouldn't have
29:37
even been in the comment section.
29:39
I thought the man would have been long gone if you literally
29:41
listen and look how the media could present it compared to
29:44
when he started. I agree.
29:45
I thought the man would have. I thought the man would have
29:47
felt ily ily lead even as NPR, all black women, all black.
29:51
But I would have thought they're not around no more.
29:53
Yeah, yeah. Agreed.
29:54
Agreed. So do.
29:56
You think he should have come? Out and so do you.
29:57
Do you think you have to make? Like a clear I don't think he
30:00
had to make. A But he should have come out
30:01
and just be like, what are you doing?
30:03
Like he should have. I'm talking about before this.
30:06
Right, I'm talking about year all this flies.
30:08
Yeah, I actually don't think. Does he, does he go?
30:11
Does he go number? One, if he does that for five
30:13
years ago, maybe not, but I. Still don't think you should
30:15
come out and say that, but if you benefit.
30:17
From that you you. Bear responsibility I.
30:20
Feel I don't even know that you benefit.
30:22
From it just but I just asked you.
30:24
Does he go #1 if he does that five years ago, probably not.
30:26
But you don't know you're going number.
30:28
One, that's what I'm saying as well.
30:29
He understands what's. Happening in his comments you OK
30:33
he's you must understand. OK, let's let's be in a world
30:35
quick. Quick understand you understand
30:37
your. Audience right You you get
30:38
what's happening in your comments agreed.
30:39
You know what I mean? You.
30:40
Know the. Temperature of your of the fan
30:42
of your fan base. And I I I'm not, I'm not I'm not
30:45
hearing Tyler don't know that if if if I.
30:47
Point him, if I changed my music and the way stuff looks as much
30:52
as he did from the start to wherever I am now, I wouldn't
30:55
think the people that were there at the start are going to be
30:57
there. I would.
30:57
I did not listen to Tyler. Before I will completely assume
31:00
it. But I think I.
31:03
I just think that he's eaten off that not about and so you.
31:06
Think. He shouldn't like make a sort of
31:08
declaration. Yeah, I think.
31:10
I think you. Should you shouldn't come out
31:11
and be like maybe maybe like he didn't feel like there was an
31:16
opportune moment to do that and I do understand that and
31:19
obviously the opportunity moment came too late right when
31:21
everything blew up recently, but he's.
31:25
Got to address it. Like he knows what's happening?
31:27
Or was it at the time? No years back when?
31:29
He feels that he's changed as a person.
31:31
I think he's got to address it. I.
31:34
Don't think I've, I think I think what he's done, just on a
31:39
slight thing. But what does that mean?
31:41
Like. Guys, what's on the slide thing?
31:44
Basically a tweet. I'm talking about five years
31:46
ago. Tweet.
31:47
Well, I didn't. Tweet I have now changed all my
31:49
imagery. I've changed.
31:50
My lyrics, I've changed. It's implied, yeah, it's
31:53
implied. It's implied in the thing.
31:54
Well. It was a statement like come to.
31:57
Oh well. Like like like like like like a
31:59
black screen COVID. Come on bro.
32:01
Like Nah, I'm in a statement I think.
32:04
I'm I'm. I'm literally.
32:05
Surprised they're staying around.
32:06
I literally can't, I can't lie. If the fans that were around at
32:09
the start are around now and they've developed with the
32:11
sound, surely that they would have developed to a point where
32:14
they would have been like, oh, OK.
32:16
Yeah. He's paying homage to a person
32:18
who has influenced not just him, but a lot of people.
32:21
Why are you crying? I feel like Tyler has implied
32:24
through his the refrain of his art and his palette and even him
32:28
talking about his his interest in in in in like making the
32:31
music like him being a a a true like.
32:35
Thespian of music, like studying.
32:38
He's not the same brother that's been doing that stuff before.
32:40
Exactly. It's it's been implied.
32:43
What else is you want to do? Like they might have a sign they
32:45
might not be listening. To the music, if you want to be
32:47
like, go. Away guys, I don't make music
32:49
for you anymore No listen, he's got.
32:53
A whole media team, like he's got people that so Edgar out are
32:56
creative, yeah. I did a bit of a way to.
32:59
Kind of understand that that's the end of an era and this we're
33:01
in a new one. Yeah, I need to communicate.
33:03
To the right people, but I think the creative.
33:06
Team did do that through them changing their feet.
33:09
That's that and that and and that's my opinion.
33:11
And I think the only people at fault for the comments are the
33:15
because I can't lie to you. That's crazy.
33:17
A man has died who influences music and you're upset?
33:20
Look inward, bro. All right?
33:26
Thank you for joining us. You've had the wonderful quicker
33:29
Asante. We'll see you soon.
33:31
See you next week.