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OMG Canada! | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas · DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

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you, JT. I don't believe it. Good morning. I
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don't even know what you guys are talking about.
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This is DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl
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Thomas. It is Thursday, September 24th, 2026.
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Today on the docket, to give you an idea how
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crazy international relationships have become,
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Prime Minister Mark Carney says that Canada is
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preparing for military action by the United States
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and Donald Trump against Canada. That's
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not in a rag. Well, maybe it's in a rag, but
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it's in The New York Times. Another U.S. citizen
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misidentified as a legal immigrant has been brutalized
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by ICE this time in Evanston, Illinois. That's
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south of Chicago. They even broke out his teeth.
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We'll talk about that. Two U.S. senators, well,
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one U.S. senator and a U.S. senatorial
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hopeful, are in deep shit this morning. We talked
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a little bit, Jamarl, you brought up Susan Collins
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and the troubles that she's facing relating to
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allegations that she broke federal campaign law
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in a very serious way. That's now being added
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by another New York Times report. This is Mary
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Peltola, who's the Democratic nominee for the
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U.S. Senate in Alaska. She basically is being
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accused of being another Amy Klobuchar mean girl.
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It's funny because we just brought up Amy Klobuchar
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yesterday in the show, apropos of nothing in
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particular, and this just came up. So it's funny
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how that comes up. We are here Monday through
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Friday, 9 a.m. Eastern time. Mondays, Wednesdays,
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and Fridays we go a full two hours to 11.
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On Tuesdays and Thursdays we have the TMI Show
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at 10 a.m. So that cuts us off at 10 a.m. On
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Fridays I have the DMZ podcast and don't
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forget seven to nine Monday through Friday in
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the morning. That's Eastern time to tune in
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Jamarl's show solo. Okay that's a lot. Please
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like, follow and share the show. Please continue
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to support the show. Okay, good morning Jamarl. How
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are you doing this morning? I'm doing fine. I'm
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doing fine. I want to add one more story to it
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and it's not that this person is in trouble. It's
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just intrigue. Kyrsten Sinema. Did you hear the
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thing about her and the bodyguard? Where the
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bodyguard apparently trashed her place, $200,000
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worth of damage. Apparently she likes artwork.
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She has a lot of artwork that ended up at the
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bottom of the swimming pool. Yeah, he basically
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wanted her to post something on Twitter. But
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I don't know what he wanted her to post on Twitter,
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and she told him no, and he flipped out. Now,
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just for the audience, just in case they don't
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know, she was having a bit of an affair with
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her bodyguard. I saw the guy, and I thought to
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myself, she couldn't do better than this. I'm
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sorry. I saw the guy, and I thought, when you
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look at the mugshot, and I was like, this is
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the guy? Yeah. Look, she's not. She has
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a certain something, right? She's not
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a classic beauty, but. But there's
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something there that I like. She does. She's
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sexy. No question she is. Now when people
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say can you be pretty and not sexy, she's an example
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of, I mean can you be sexy without being pretty.
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She's not ugly but she's not pretty but she's
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definitely sexy. And he's, I think
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this reminds me when Arnold Schwarzenegger got
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with his nanny and I saw a picture
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of her I was like she was just what was lying
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around. When I saw the Kyrsten
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Sinema 39-year-old dude, I was like, man, that
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guy looks like he sleeps hard sometimes. It was
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like, whoa. Although, mugshot is never a great
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moment. True, but I can't see a good moment for
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this guy. No, I'm agreeing. I'm extrapolating.
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Clean him up, Ricki Lake makeover. I'm like,
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hmm. Still don't see it. By the way, did you
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see the woman who was arrested? The woman was
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arrested for having sex in Florida with the family
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dog. And she had a great mugshot. And she's a
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dog fucker. Alleged dog fucker. And she definitely
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broke. She didn't go the Nick Nolte route. She
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looked great in the mugshot. Yeah. Well
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that dog obviously had it coming. He was. I didn't
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know that TMI got moved up. It's a confusing
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time. I never thought I'd live to see a time when the government
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of Canada would have to prepare itself, steel
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itself against a U.S. military attack from the
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U.S. But here we are. Well, that is a time-honored,
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in fairness though, Ted, that is a time-honored
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tradition. Canada twice.
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The last time was in the 1850s. We nearly went to
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war over... went to war with the British Empire
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over a pig. Look it up. It was a crisis. A Canadian
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farmer shot an American pig and damn it, it started
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a war. Yeah, that's true. But this is North America,
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where if it happened before Tuesday, nobody remembers
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it. This is America. What are you talking about?
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It happened yesterday. No one knows. That's true.
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Very true. How do y'all think my mugshot would
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look? Brutally honest. Pretty much the way you
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always look. I'm hoping I would smile. Well,
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a smile is a good idea because that picture is
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going to be all over the place. Well, it depends
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on how they get you in there for the mugshot. It's
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like, is this your last-stand mugshot? Or is
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this a... I always assume it's my last
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stand. I'd like to take a page out of the apostle.
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My favorite one is the Frank Sinatra one that's
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in every pizza parlor where he's just
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sort of like, what. What's the... He'd
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polish it off. I don't even remember what he was
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arrested for. Neither do I, but
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Sinatra, Sammy Davis, all those guys had mob ties
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and stuff like that so who knows. But I don't
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think this had anything to do with it. I think
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it was something like maybe shoplifting
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or something stupid like that. Oh you mean when
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he was a kid? Yeah. You've seen it. He's
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very young. And he's, he
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aged great. He always looked great. But
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yeah he's such a man. I always think to myself
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Sinatra's thing is a man's man.
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Jill Scott is a woman's woman. When
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they're doing their albums, their music, it's
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very unapologetically a man. Men would always
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that type of true. Oh God, man, he's so good.
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Yeah, let's talk about Canada. Let's talk about
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Canada. All right, let's get... Is Carney playing
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to his audience in this? And just for the audience,
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he was having an interview with The New York Times
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and in The New York Times piece Carney made the
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point of saying it would be irresponsible if
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I didn't prepare for potential military
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attack by the U.S. It's a tail risk but still
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you have to prepare for it because a long-tail
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risk he used, which is that term which is sort
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of like a dot-com term. Yeah. Is he
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playing to his Canadian base? Is that what this
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is? Look, hey we have to pretend
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we have to potentially prepare for an invasion
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by Trump. He threatened Greenland with military
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force. He's threatening South America with
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military force. He put out the map of all of Canada
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and South America and even British colonies
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and French colonies that are supposed to be American
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territory. So we got to prepare for this. Okay,
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but the U.S. hasn't built up any military force
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to attack Canada. Yeah, but we don't really need
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to. In the doctrine of preemption,
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you're allowed to attack if your enemy's forces
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are massed on the border. Right. Okay. But we're
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the United States. We're already massed on the
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border. We're right
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there. But don't you have to build up some military
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contingent to go after Canada if you're going
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to do it? I would think honestly, I have a feeling
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that this is probably something the U.S. could
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take care of over a weekend. It's so
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sparsely populated, right? There's
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50 percent of the economic. I think that's
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right. But a very, very high percentage of economic
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activity in Canada is all in Quebec, right? So
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if you merely control Montreal and Quebec City,
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the game's half over. And if you
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can't imagine Ottawa is going to be terribly
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difficult to get rid of. So if you have Ontario
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and Quebec provinces, and even then you don't
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need the northern parts at all. That's just tundra
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where bears live. That's it. Game over.
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You don't care about Vancouver. You can scoop
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it up later. We should take it. That's
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probably. Look, I read this in a number
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of ways. Like you, I would imagine this is also
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for Canadian domestic consumption. And rightfully
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so. The Canadians are stirred up and
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it's not without cause. Whip them up. Whip them
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up. Yeah. And on the other hand, this is also
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that thing where governments have
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to have contingency plans for every possible
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thing, right? So right now the United States I
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guarantee you has an invasion plan in a dusty
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file cabinet somewhere for the U.S. invasion
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and occupation of Vanuatu. And we have,
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what if we're attacked by Cuba? Who
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knows, right? So the Canadians
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are no different. They're a real country. They
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have a military. They have to have contingency
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plans. And he was clear about saying this
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is not like we don't think this is going to happen,
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but just in case. But I thought the mere fact
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that he could bring this up, and he's not a stupid
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man. In an interview with The New York Times,
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tells me. This isn't a message
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for a Canadian audience
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who are reading the Toronto Star.
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This is for an American audience.
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This is how much I'm telling you guys how much
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you guys have scared us and how pissed off we
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are. Yeah, well, scared the world. Yeah.
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Donald Trump threatened to attack Greenland.
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Right. Right. And the Greenlanders are more to
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the point. The Danes rolled. Yeah. So
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it's not like we're just going after brown people
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or we're just going after Persians. It's not
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that. We are putting the world on notice. Again,
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when Donald Trump put that map out. Our imperialism
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isn't racist. Right. We have equity in our militarism.
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Give him credit. He's equal opportunity.
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He's like, hey I like that too. Yeah. But we're
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white people we don't care. That's cool. Yeah it's
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like fair enough. He's equal opportunity. He's not
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being racist about it. Good for him on that.
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From an economic standpoint it makes sense.
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Canada has all this tar sand, has a
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crap ton of natural resources that we want that
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we need that we covet. And to the point,
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JT, think about this. And those bear rugs are going
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to look nice on our sofa. Whenever I play Civilization,
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and I've got to know about you. By the way, we've
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got to pick up our Civilization game again. Do
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you ever spawn and you're right there next to
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a neighbor who's huge with a crap ton of resources,
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no military, you're sitting right there like,
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I want that. Do you ever just go across the border?
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What can they do? Do you ever just go across
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the border when you play Civ and take it? If
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so, that's a human condition. It's like we were
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giving them the option of being a governor. You
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didn't want to take that. We tried. And at that
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point you say, hey man, we feel under threat
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by Canadian Mounties. That's so funny, right?
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We think Canada has nuclear weapons and we can't
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allow Canada to have nukes. This was
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literally, wasn't it some Bill Murray movie or
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something? Like in the 70s or 80s where Canada
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invades the US? Yeah. So it's literally it. It's
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literally a joke. Literally, it was a comedy
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routine. That's where the Bill Clinton-Monica
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Lewinsky thing came from. The wag the dog thing.
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The idea that the U.S. played up as if Canada
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was going to invade America in order to get away
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from a scandal that was taking place in America.
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That's where it made it, right? Wag the Dog,
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I think. Wag the Dog, yeah. And that's where
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the phrase came from. When Bill Clinton was trying
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to... They claimed that Bill Clinton launched
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airstrikes in order to distract from Monica Lewinsky
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and wag the dog. Yeah, the Canadian thing. Look,
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I'm being tongue in cheek when I say we should
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take Canada. I hope so. But that is what we did
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to Greenland. And that is what we did to Venezuela.
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That is what we did to Iran. And what we're about
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to do to Cuba. That's what we did to Mexico.
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This is not a new
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phenomenon. Right. No, but the thing is, will
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it stick? Anyone,
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as the Afghans can tell you, anyone can invade,
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but can you occupy? And occupation is hard. So
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I mean. Just to be clear, I'm not truly
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suggesting we should invade Canada. I just want
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to make sure. I don't want people to like Jamarl
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saying we should take Greenland and Canada.
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No, no. Look, we can't even run our own country.
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Right. Are you kidding? This
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country is a cesspool with
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declining birth, with declining infant, with
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rising infant mortality. We can't send our kids
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to college anymore. Everyone's broke.
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The economy's a disaster. And just you wait.
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And yeah, no, it's nuts.
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We should do some comments and then yes.
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All right hold on let me just say this real quick.
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Wouldn't, if we're going to be
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fighting wars and stuff,
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building an empire, would it make sense to actually
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take over a country that would benefit us? Instead
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of occupying Afghanistan for 20 years, which
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you got nothing out of, at least Canada would
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give something of material benefit to the empire,
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unlike Afghanistan. So you can at least make
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the logical choice. And think about all of the
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illegal pot that comes across the northern border.
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That's a massive national security issue because
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Americans don't grow their own pot. It's all
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coming from Canada. You've got to stop it. Wait,
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wait. Pot's coming? I don't think that's true
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at all. No, you're throwing pot. First
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of all, the Canadian climate isn't good for pot.
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Trust me, I live in Montana. But also, the vast
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majority of the weed that's sold on the street
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in the United States originates now in legal
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grow houses, right? Basically, since legalization,
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there's overproduction, and they can't sell enough
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of it through legal dispensaries. So it's mostly
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just dumped on the street. So most of the weed
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you can get from Joe Bob is perfectly
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good. It's the same you can buy at the dispensary
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because it's a great market. You'll buy weed
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off the street at this point. Those taxes. I just
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don't get why. Look man,
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I'd love it cheaper. Yeah there's no taxes on
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no. Yeah. Believe me, street weed, I don't
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buy it, but I know someone who does. I know someone
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who does, and the same shit is literally half
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the price, and it's the same shit. It's not the
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same shit, though. If I go to the weed shop,
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and I say, hey, I would like Thai lights. And
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they say, okay, well, here's your container of
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Thai lights. And Thai lights may be expensive,
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right? Or Northern Lights. Dispensary weed is
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expensive. Yeah, but it's the same exact stuff.
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It's not the same thing. They're different products.
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They're different types. It's the same product
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because it's grown in the same exact facility,
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usually in California. Ted, there are so many
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different brands of weed. I know. I've been to
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dispensaries. I know. Right. I guess I'm saying
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it's not the same. If I'm going in, for example,
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if somebody says, I want something from New Rock.
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You can order that specific strain, though. And
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in New York City, for example, it'll be
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delivered to you. Right. From a street vendor.
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Is that what you're saying? From yeah, yeah exactly.
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Usually you go out they text you they say come
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out into the street a guy drives by hands it
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to you and he's selling it off the street. He's
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not selling it from a dispensary. No. Yeah exactly.
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He's selling it from, he probably has it in his
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apartment. I'm very doubtful. Well I believe that
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you can get it in New York and I believe that
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they can deliver it in New York and you're in
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D.C. I can't imagine it's any different. It's a
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real city. Well I'm in Richmond. Wait, wait, wait.
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Richmond's a real city too. Kalispell would probably be not, they don't have
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delivery systems and stuff like that, but. Well,
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they have delivery systems, but they're from
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dispensaries. That's what I'm trying to say.
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Right, right, right, right. That's not what I
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mean. I mean, talking about, I think there's
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a lot of gray market weed, stuff that sort of
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falls off a truck. In D.C. it is. There's a
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huge amount of gray market stuff. Like in D.C.
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you can go to a weed house and they would
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have just crispy tree. Let's do some comments
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here. Okay. Ray is taking me to account for my
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bedhead. I'm like, I don't have bedhead today.
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This is normal. You should see my bedhead. I
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look like McNulty. Jackson, would you do a PhD?
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Would you do a PhD, Robby? That's a,
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okay. So yes. Yes, I would. But I'm worried about
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the opportunity cost of it takes
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five years on average, can take longer.
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And during that time, I'm not doing this podcast
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and I'm not drawing cartoons or not as much as
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I should be. So I'm 63 years old. Do I now want
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to be 68 years old and with a PhD, which is cool,
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it would be fun to have, besides which I would
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also need a master's. So seven years, I'd be
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70 years old. I think that'd be great. If I had
17:07
the money and the time to do that I would totally.
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I love college. I love studying. But also a PhD
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isn't really college where you get to hang out
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at seminars and shoot the and solve the world's
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problems. A PhD is a lot of individual research
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which is pretty lonely. So I guess I'm sorry to
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weasel. I'm like maybe. How about you guys? No.
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It's nice to be a doctor but the work that
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you put into it properly. No there's other things
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I would prefer. I prefer to be a chess master.
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I would prefer to go back to a master's in
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history. I've never been to college. I don't see
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the point. I do see the point. It's
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well if
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seriously let's just say you're rich and you
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have nothing better and you can do anything you
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want. College is a lot of fun especially when
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you're young. It's like you're
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meeting, you're hanging out with other people
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and studying and the world feels open and you
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have possibilities and you have access to
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research institutions. It can be a lot of fun.
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I think it's maybe not as fun if you're at a
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community college or something. Ted, I've heard
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your stories about studying. I'm a married man,
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so I don't think I could study the same way that
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you did with your extracurricular activities.
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You probably wouldn't be married when you're
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going to college. Most people aren't. I was a
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good student. I graduated with honors. Yeah,
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you're going to get a three-year degree on threesomes.
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Lay Pipe 401. Not just threesomes. Her Majesty
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Lindsey Graham says, sup, heifers. And Jackson,
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did you dye your hair since yesterday? Ted, you
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look different. Yeah, it's weird. I look grayer.
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Yeah, I think it's just the light is different.
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Okay. And no, I don't dye my hair. I've never
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dyed my hair ever in my life. I can't say I never
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would, but actually, I like the way my hair looks
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right now. Is it the laptop versus the iPad?
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Oh, that's probably what it is. That might be
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it. Different camera. Because I have an external
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camera on my home computer. Thank you, Ray, for
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gifting a subscription to DeProgram. We do need
18:42
those subscriptions. Moth36, the dog can now
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be an FBI agent. So true. So true. Pura Vida.
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Guys, I highly recommend you pay subscribe. Ted
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sends pics of him in his briefs on request. Uh-huh.
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You don't need to wait for him to get up
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and let the cat inside the room. Okay. Liza Lan.
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Do you know how big Canada is? You Americans
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are stupid. Yeah, I know. Canada is huge. But
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I think the point that we're making is most of
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it is empty. It's like if you're in Iceland.
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Iceland is mostly empty. It's huge landmass.
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You don't need to control the Canadian wildfire
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zones. Yeah, you don't need the polar bears.
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Polar bears can do what they do. They've got
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that under control. Yeah, just get the part that's
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important. So in Montana, you take three cities,
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you have the entire state. Yeah, you don't need
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all of it. Honestly, New York, if you
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wanted to control New York State, all you need
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is the city. And maybe you could use Buffalo.
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You don't even need Albany. Yeah, yeah. So, yes,
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we know Canada is huge. We're just talking about
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the population center. And, yes, Americans are
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incredibly stupid. F you so. I took community
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college classes for 12 years and got 15. What?
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15 associate's degrees and three certificates.
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It's cheap and no stress when old and doesn't
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matter. So I ended up going to. 15 is a little
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crazy. I went to Longwood first. I was sick most
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of the time I was in Longwood. I ended up coming
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out. I ended up going back to J. Sargeant Reynolds,
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ECPI. I got two certificates from both of them.
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Well, that's not true. One was a certificate.
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One was an associate's degree. Then I went to
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get the bachelor's from New York Institute of
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Technology and have a herbal bachelor's degree
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that I never used. We had a thing in
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Richmond where if you went to community college,
20:38
you could skip the first two years of your regular
20:38
college, if that makes sense. But it doesn't
20:43
work great. Yeah. There's stuff that you need.
20:48
So you graduated with a bachelor's? Yeah, I graduated
20:48
with a bachelor's from New York Institute of
20:50
Technology, J. Sargeant Reynolds. I got my associate's
20:54
in. And I got my software degree from ECPI. ECPI
20:54
was like a college event which became
20:56
kind of like a community technical college here in
20:57
Richmond but I got associates from, I got a degree
21:00
from that which is what I used to go into software
21:04
and which start doing the software development
21:06
stuff. Yeah now you wouldn't even need a degree
21:09
right? Not really. They
21:10
care more about your skill and capability. In fact
21:12
they have classes. Yeah and testing. I
21:15
think technical tests anyway. When
21:19
you go into software usually there's a panel
21:22
of people who you're talking to and they're
21:26
evaluating you and sometimes they have you doing
21:34
stuff on boards and coming up with software logic
21:35
and all this other stuff. Yeah technical interviews
21:39
can be intense. So, OK, well, let's I think we
21:42
should keep. Oh, let's see. Did I hit all the
21:42
comments here? Oh, I got to say, if I had to
21:44
do if I really wanted to do things my way, I'd
21:49
honestly get a history master's PhD combo. And
21:50
it would probably I know it's stupid, but it
21:52
would probably help me sell my books better.
21:56
What's not stupid? Knowledge for the sake of
21:58
knowledge is not a negative thing. Yeah, no,
22:00
it's just the accreditation thing. Look,
22:00
I like dusty archives. I like handling
22:04
documents that the President of the United States
22:04
handled. It's just cool. And I
22:07
think and obviously you learn a lot, but I'm just saying
22:09
it's stupid that someone would buy
22:10
your book because it says Ted Rall, Ph.D. on
22:12
it. My mom used to say that I should have used
22:14
my formal name, my legal name for my books because
22:18
I would be taken more seriously. And she was
22:18
kind of ridiculous. But I kind of see her point
22:20
like Frederick T. Rall the Third.
22:24
It just sounds very serious. Yeah
22:26
it sounds very serious and pretentious
22:30
which is something I do hate. All right so
22:30
that's it for the comments for now. Should
22:34
we talk about ICE? Yeah we should talk about ICE.
22:34
Okay or we can move on to I want to talk I'm
22:36
really dying to talk about Mary Peltola. Shall
22:38
we talk about her? Yeah. Okay so Mary Peltola is
22:42
an Alaska Native running. She's the Democratic
22:45
nominee for Senate. Democrats were very, very excited
22:46
about her. And basically
22:49
she
22:49
was kind of favored to win probably in what would
22:52
likely be a blue wave election this November.
22:56
And she still might. The New York Times just
22:57
published this piece that basically says she's
22:59
an asshole. Basically, she pushed one of her
23:01
aides, shoved him in the chest, almost knocked
23:04
him over. She apparently has a raging temper.
23:08
She likes to dress down people in front of others.
23:08
All reportedly, allegedly, all the normal weasel
23:10
words. My personal favorite, and you'll know
23:10
why, is that she was taken to task for using
23:14
the R-word, retard, as in, fuck that retard.
23:17
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she also used the
23:21
F-word, where she was referring to someone as
23:25
a faggot. Really. And I'm like, okay, so definitely
23:27
shades of Amy Klobuchar. So she has two principal
23:28
lines of defense here. Well three. One is
23:30
I knew her and I worked for her and she was great
23:35
and I didn't see anything like that from some
23:38
people. Okay that's not much of a defense. Okay
23:38
then because it's like so what maybe she was
23:41
nice to you. Okay then the
23:43
next line of defense is this is sexism,
23:47
double standard, dudes act like this all the time
23:52
and so what's with this. This is just like
23:53
what y'all did to Amy Klobuchar. That was also
23:56
her principal line of defense. And then
23:58
there's also people who are just
24:03
like I don't care I'm going to vote for a Democrat
24:06
against any Republican no matter what. Team
24:09
Team Blue no matter what. And that's not really
24:12
defense that's an annulment. Yeah that's just
24:15
yeah that's right. And so wait, what was
24:17
the other thing that she said? Oh, yeah. She
24:21
said that in 2023, she suffered two big deaths
24:24
in her family. Her mother died and her, look,
24:26
I feel that. My mom died six years ago and I'm
24:30
still not over it. So I totally feel that. And
24:32
also her husband died in a plane crash so she
24:35
was raising as a widow raising her kids
24:38
and she says I was look I was short-tempered.
24:42
I was strung out and grieving and so
24:45
I took it out on myself. I may have
24:48
taken it out on my staff, right? So these lines
24:51
of defense are somewhat in conflict with each
24:57
other, right? Because I didn't do it but if
25:00
I did it this is because of
25:04
my grieving. The one that interests me is the
25:05
sexism one. I don't know. Because it's like.
25:07
I even wrote it down. You said it. I even wrote
25:08
it down. Go ahead. No, no, no. So the reason
25:09
it interests me is, first of all. I don't know
25:11
that I buy the assumption that men behave like
25:11
this all the time and don't get called to task
25:15
for it. I think that's something that mean women
25:17
like Hillary Clinton say. And I've
25:21
worked for a lot of male bosses, mostly male
25:23
bosses and some female bosses, and they ran the
25:25
gamut. I've had like by some counts,
25:28
like over 40 jobs. And I've had lots of freelance
25:30
clients, hundreds of them. So
25:34
I've had lots of supervisors, editors, and so on.
25:36
And I gotta say that men tend, on average,
25:39
at least in my experience, to be better bosses
25:43
than women. And they tend to be calmer and they
25:44
tend not to go to these very bad places
25:49
like belittling and name calling as quickly as
25:52
women. Now, I guess what I really want
25:55
to say is if a dude was running for Senate and
26:00
these same allegations came out about him, I
26:02
suspect they would be as notable and they would
26:06
be as noticed as the fact that it's in this case,
26:09
it's from a woman. I think it's the fact it's
26:13
not the fact that she's a mean girl. It's the
26:15
fact that she's a mean person. And I think the
26:19
question for voters is, do they or should they
26:25
care? And that's really the question we should
26:25
be asking. I'm not even sure it's
26:29
worthy of bringing. I'm not sure in a world
26:32
where The New York Times every day skips entire
26:32
countries to cover that this is really worth
26:34
the space. Her person, the way
26:36
she deals with personnel. In a way, I have to
26:41
admit, I don't really care. I would care how
26:43
she votes. I would care about the policy she
26:47
promulgates. I would have voted
26:47
for Ted Kennedy. I wouldn't have let my daughter
26:49
ride in a car with him, but I would have voted
26:50
for him because of his policy priorities.
26:53
Bernie Sanders is apparently very loyal
26:58
to his wife. I don't really care. It doesn't
27:01
affect me one way or the other. But they don't
27:06
write articles like this about men. I
27:07
remember when men aren't really like this as
27:15
much as women are. Well, one, I don't know that
27:18
many they don't. Obviously, they're going
27:23
to be people in the political space that act
27:28
this way. And I would even like Rahm Emanuel.
27:32
He's like that. Right. Rahm Emanuel
27:33
is an asshole, but they don't write articles
27:34
about this in a negative context about him
27:36
being this way. And I gotta be honest with you
27:40
I would wager to you that many political people
27:42
are this way just from the pressure of getting
27:46
into the positions that they're in. They all yell
27:50
and curse and carry on and bark at their subordinates
27:53
by definition to get to where they are. Now it
27:56
doesn't mean that all of them this way but I
27:58
can imagine that getting to this particular position
28:03
you have a certain personality type of getting
28:05
to this position. It's like they always say,
28:06
CEOs and politicians are sociopaths, and that
28:09
you on some level need to be that way. And this
28:12
kind of type of personality need to get to the
28:15
position. People like Sanders, who don't want
28:18
to hit their opponent, don't typically get to
28:24
that position because they don't necessarily
28:29
want to be who they need to be in order to get
28:32
there. And I guess my point is, they would write
28:33
this about Klobuchar and Kamala Harris and this
28:35
woman, but at a really key time, by the way,
28:39
right? Just literally in the clutch,
28:44
just six weeks before the election.
28:47
How many men do they write stories like this
28:50
about? The way Cuomo acted,
28:50
this was only towards the end of his career where
28:54
they went after Cuomo. But Cuomo acted like this
28:56
all the way through. Rahm Emanuel acted like
29:00
this all the way through. Cuomo's stuff was more
29:03
serious. He was an ass grabber. Well, that too.
29:05
I guess I'm saying maybe they do have a point.
29:08
That the mean girl thing is a mean girl thing.
29:12
Meaning they didn't make a movie Mean
29:15
Boys. Mean Girls, right? Yeah. Even though men
29:15
do come in groups and act like basically I guess
29:19
you would call that a gang. But I don't know.
29:22
I don't think this behavior is, and see
29:25
I'm in a bubble in this. I don't know. You
29:29
may be right that it may be this thing of
29:32
well, women need to overcompensate. And in overcompensating,
29:34
they have this idea in their heads about how
29:37
men behave. And they are trying to behave in
29:40
a similar way as they think. Yeah, this is what
29:43
leadership looks like. Because leadership has
29:46
always been male and aggressive. And I have to
29:46
be aggressive. And I've got to dress like a man
29:49
and cut my hair real short. And be an asshole.
29:53
And be strong. Militaristic. Yeah. The reality
29:55
of it is, okay, well, men don't entirely act
29:55
this way as bosses all the time. I've
30:02
only had maybe one that was that way. And even
30:02
he wasn't that way all the time. Right? Like,
30:04
he just acted that way when things went awry.
30:08
I've had women bosses that were horrendous. And
30:11
it wasn't because they were women. It was because
30:15
they were just horrible people. Yeah. Everybody
30:19
recognized them as just being horrible people
30:22
in this particular context. A woman I used to
30:26
work for as a barista, she was a lunatic. And
30:29
just very difficult to be around in general.
30:32
But that wasn't the norm. I had another woman
30:33
boss that was chill, cool, and just a really
30:35
good boss. Oh, sure. I've had great female bosses,
30:38
for sure. I don't know. It's very possible
30:41
that this is... I'm divided. It could be... this
30:44
is what women think men are in which case they're
30:46
trying to emulate men when they're getting leadership
30:49
positions and they may be insecurity on some
30:52
level in which case they need to behave this
30:55
way. But the other way could be the media is
30:58
playing up this mean girl thing because the mean
31:01
girl is a meme of sorts and so when they find
31:01
a mean girl they like hey she's mean to her
31:04
staff she's pushing this guy she's hitting this
31:06
guy etc. The other part to this is... Well,
31:09
if true, that is a serious matter. That is assault.
31:12
It's every bit as serious as
31:15
what Cuomo was accused of. Although with Cuomo,
31:17
it was a serial matter. And it was sexual harassment
31:21
too, yeah. The other part to this is, that I
31:24
think is interesting, is A, this is coming just
31:26
before the election. Also, I'm worried. Is using
31:32
the R-word disqualifying? Oh, well, so much for
31:35
my political career. And that's the part, right?
31:37
It's a Democrat. Which, if you're a Republican,
31:42
it doesn't really matter. If you're independent,
31:45
it doesn't really matter. I don't think it does.
31:47
As a Democrat, oh, this is orthodoxy. By the
31:50
way, part of me liked when they quoted her.
31:50
And it was like where she was pissed
31:53
because some guy sent, some fundraiser sent out
31:54
a photo, a selfie of him and her together and
31:57
he wasn't supposed to and she texted
32:00
her staff that retard. I'm like I like this lady's
32:02
style. I literally was like I would feel
32:04
the same way that I love a woman that would drop
32:07
an F-bomb. I think it's very, yeah me too, depending
32:11
on how to do it. I don't want it to be
32:14
if it's I had an interview with a guest the other
32:16
day. I like the fact that she didn't feel the
32:19
need to be woke or that she could talk like a
32:23
real person behind closed doors. And it kind
32:25
of sucks to think that we live in this world
32:25
where every time you text out a brain fart, it's
32:28
going to end up in the fucking New York Times.
32:31
It's not a brain fart. She was pissed off. She
32:32
meant it. Well, I have a question for y'all.
32:35
And I think I probably have a different take
32:38
than y'all. I think we're going to see more
32:40
of this with women bosses. Because women are
32:42
outperforming men in the workplace. So you're
32:45
going to have more women bosses. You're going
32:49
to have more women executives. More women senators.
32:55
And women like to put knives in other women.
32:55
Listen, I worked in healthcare. It's
32:58
a very woman-dominated industry. It just is.
32:58
And you are swimming in a sea of estrogen. That's
33:01
one of the reasons I wanted to work from home
33:03
is because... I'm not going to pretend like I
33:06
don't know what you're talking about. It's bad
33:08
enough to be a woman in that environment. Me
33:10
as the only dude, the only guy with external
33:12
plumbing. You were like Clint Eastwood in The
33:14
Beguiled. It was bad. And the thing is, for example,
33:17
there was this one lady who I had to train. And
33:18
I used the word train loosely because, frankly,
33:20
she was stupid. To borrow a Tedism, she was retarded.
33:20
And so my job was medical records, which involved
33:24
reading and reading comprehension and be able
33:27
to actually understand the document that's
33:32
in front of you. I spent six months training
33:36
this lady. When she finally got done training,
33:39
she called me over to talk to her about an ecology note.
33:43
The first I asked her, so did you read it? She
33:46
said, no. I said, read it, do your job.
33:48
If you need help, come back to me again. She
33:49
went to HR. I got to have six weeks of sensitivity
33:52
training because I was too rough on her. I hurt
33:52
her feelings because I told her to read a document
33:54
and do her job. That was sexist on my part. So
33:56
women who are squealing about this. Come on.
33:58
Who watches this show who would not say that
34:00
you deserve more sensitivity training? Well,
34:03
it's probably why I'm so insensitive. It's because
34:06
I've had enough of all this crap. But seriously,
34:09
Ted, if I don't do the job that you don't pay
34:09
me for, I get called to the carpet for it, for
34:15
not doing the job that I'm not supposed to do.
34:17
And I say, hey, retard. Correct. But
34:20
that's the point. Although you would deserve
34:25
it, but I wouldn't do that, no. Well, of course.
34:28
In which case, I would tell you then to find
34:28
yourself a lower paid producer to replace me
34:30
with. Oh, wait, you can't. I'd have to pay you
34:32
to do the job at that point. But I guess the
34:37
point I'm trying to make is that as women
34:40
climb more and more and more in the
34:44
workplace just to see more and more and more
34:46
of the stuff coming on and women are very toxic
34:48
to each other. It's just a fact of life. Sorry
34:53
ladies if it hurt your feelings. It's the truth. I
34:56
worked in all-male workplaces and I've worked
34:56
in all-female workplaces and
34:59
oh boy. All male is not good. It's
35:01
like you need that. You need the
35:04
sexual variety. You need people who
35:06
are more civilized to be present. Men aren't
35:10
civilized. Men are savage. But an all-female
35:12
workplace is so toxic and it's dangerous. You
35:13
just don't want to be around. Is it dangerous?
35:16
Yeah, you will be. Yeah, only bad things
35:18
will happen. All right. But anyway, so let's
35:22
get back to Mary Peltola. Yeah, I mean, is it
35:24
newsworthy? Her family members have passed. Because
35:27
I think it is. Let's assume it's true. Well,
35:31
it is true that they had passed. We don't know
35:34
if it's relevant. Yeah. Look, but that
35:37
brings up another question, right? Grace
35:39
under pressure. Look, in
35:40
2020, during the pandemic, my mom, right before
35:42
the pandemic, my mom died two weeks before the
35:46
lockdown. I didn't spend the next year or two
35:48
screaming at people and calling
35:52
them names and shoving them. So the point is, this is a presumably being a United
35:58
States senator, even albeit from Alaska would
36:01
involve some pressure, some high-pressure
36:04
situations. You'd want to think that
36:06
she'd be able to be calm and address
36:07
those. I don't know. Maybe. People handle
36:10
stuff differently. I know when I got sick
36:10
when I, well ironically just before the pandemic
36:12
and really didn't even have anything to do with
36:14
the pandemic, when I had the stroke when I
36:14
was at the job I mean, in fact, a lot of stuff
36:17
went wrong that year in 2020. It was like a stroke.
36:20
It was MERS. What's this thing called? Oh, what
36:23
is the thing called? I can't think of the name
36:26
of it. Mindy didn't let me come into work. Mindy
36:28
was like, dude, go home. And I was trying to
36:31
do the job. At one point, he was like, dude,
36:34
go home, go home. Yeah, this could
36:37
be contagious. But a lot of stuff was going wrong
36:40
that year. And I wasn't popping off. I was distant.
36:43
Yeah. You're right. People respond differently.
36:45
Yeah. I want to be left to my own devices. I'm
36:48
like you that way. Yeah. And when you're stuck
36:49
with a wife. I don't want to talk about my problems
36:51
because I already have my problem. And if I talk
36:54
about my problem, it's like I'm reliving my problem.
36:56
I'm experiencing it again twice. Well, it's indulging.
36:59
I would consider it's indulging. It's like it's
37:01
it also doesn't do any good. It's almost
37:02
never that someone says hey Ted have you ever
37:04
thought of and I'm like oh no I didn't know that.
37:07
And see I think this is the difference
37:07
between men and women if we're being honest.
37:09
Women would more so indulge. Yeah women always
37:12
say oh you feel so good after you talk about
37:15
something. I'm like I don't. Yeah I don't see the
37:16
point. Unless someone has a practical
37:18
solution. Like if someone says like when I was dealing with the L.A. Times,
37:22
if someone said, oh, I know a good lawyer who
37:23
would be interested in your case. I already talked
37:24
to him. He wants your case. OK, that's really
37:25
useful. Thank you so much. That's helping. Men
37:26
get this wrong. I really think men get this wrong,
37:31
though, like on some level. I think that's why
37:31
men eat their guns. The housewives. One of the
37:34
things that blew my mind about housewives is
37:35
the way they talk about stuff that I would consider
37:40
to be too weak to talk about. And they would
37:43
just openly have these conversations. And I'm
37:46
like, whoa, people talk about that. And I realized,
37:48
oh, right, it's the housewives that are doing
37:52
this. These aren't like the housemen or the house
37:56
husbands that are doing this. Husbands don't
37:56
really get into it. They may a little bit, but
38:01
they're usually talking about external stuff.
38:04
The women are talking about internal stuff that
38:04
is effectively bugging them. And you think to
38:07
yourself, is this what you gotta spend your time
38:08
on even in the show the men are like oh god they're
38:12
at it again. They're able on some level to maintain
38:12
their friendships and relationships because they're
38:14
willing to kind of air this stuff. I don't know
38:16
maybe there is a value in just airing stuff. Oh
38:20
clearly there is. It makes a lot of
38:23
people feel better. Yeah but sometimes
38:23
group, I did when I was,
38:25
I supported
38:26
my mom. I was a caregiver for my mom. She had
38:28
Alzheimer's. It was hard. I'm an only child.
38:29
And I went to a support group. And that was useful,
38:32
just basically. My main takeaway, though, was,
38:36
man, my situation sucks, but it could suck worse
38:36
when I heard these other stories. It always can
38:39
be worse. Yeah. I stopped feeling sorry for myself.
38:42
I guess the main point is, well, that
38:44
doesn't. That wouldn't stop me from necessarily
38:47
feeling, well, I guess I can see why it would.
38:50
But it's still the situation, still the situation,
38:52
even though other people's may be worse. It's
38:53
still my own situation in that case. I don't
38:56
know. I give her a little bit of grace
38:59
if it's true, but that's assuming it's true.
38:59
Like, I don't doubt that the people died and
39:01
I don't doubt that it was hard on her. Whether
39:04
that was why she was an asshole to her people,
39:04
she might have just been an asshole to her people.
39:07
It just so happened this other stuff might have
39:11
just been going on. I don't know. Yeah, it sounds
39:13
like she's kind of excessively spicy, right?
39:13
Just in general. I
39:17
think that's probably what's going on here. She
39:17
should probably take up hunting and go shoot
39:18
some animals. That's where... Right. Don't take
39:21
it out on your staff. Yeah, yeah. Go shoot something
39:21
that can bite. Then that'll keep you
39:22
busy. Sinema was also rough to her
39:24
staff or something like that. Yeah.
39:27
They seem to do this for women they don't seem
39:30
to do this for men. I haven't read articles oh
39:33
this guy is very and I guess that's true
39:36
and I guess yeah I guess the question
39:38
is yeah. Bill Clinton was an... Yeah
39:41
nobody knows. When I, so I had a friend
39:43
he worked in the West Wing of the White House.
39:46
He's a former cartoonist. And he ended up becoming
39:51
a speechwriter for Bill Clinton. And at that
39:56
time, my cartoons appeared regularly in The Washington
39:56
Post. And I did a cartoon that the president
40:00
didn't care for. And Bill Clinton walked into
40:03
my friend's office and threw the paper on the
40:06
desk. And he said, you tell your friend to go
40:08
fuck himself. What? So he calls me up and he
40:12
goes, and he's like, the president of the United
40:16
States is pissed at you. Oh shit. Like, that's
40:21
not good. This man can kill me legally. Right?
40:25
Like, it's not good. So I was proud and terrified
40:25
at the same time. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, but
40:29
anyway, obviously here I am, everything's fine.
40:33
But by all accounts, he's, I mean,
40:40
they're all like that, right? They all
40:43
have spicy tempers. And there are exceptions
40:46
like George W. Bush apparently was like a serious
40:46
pleasure to work for. Everybody loved to work
40:48
for him. He was a sweetheart. Donald Trump, a
40:53
lot of people who were close to him for years
40:56
in the Trump organization, like his personal
41:00
assistant, adored him and said that he was always
41:03
very kind and considerate to them. It's like,
41:06
sometimes it's unexpected. I don't
41:08
know. I guess the question is, should
41:12
we care as voters? In other words, should
41:15
reporters care? I care if she's competent, if
41:18
she's competent at her job. Yeah, that's what
41:22
matters. And most people who are competent want
41:24
stuff done a certain way. If you have someone
41:27
that's a complete screw up, like someone asked
41:30
me in the chat, Andre said, Robby, was your
41:34
female boss an immigrant? No, she was just stupid.
41:36
Yeah, like Mary Peltola was told at one point,
41:40
she was angry when she was running for Congress
41:42
because there weren't enough signs, or maybe
41:46
in her current campaign, there weren't enough
41:49
big yard signs in southeastern Alaska. And she,
41:51
according to the Times article, sent out a message
41:51
to her staff and basically said, in the southeast,
41:55
our yard sign game sucks. I'm like, so what?
41:57
She said that. Who cares? She's good for her. She's
41:59
noticing things. She's on top of things. Yeah she's
42:02
just managing her team. Yeah what should
42:06
she say in that situation? And by the way Hitler's
42:08
secretary thought Hitler was great. Boring though.
42:12
I don't know if you're a god man I can't remember
42:17
the name of the movie but at the end of the movie
42:18
she's talking about Hitler like oh he's
42:21
such a great guy and everything else and realizing
42:21
what she was saying after the fact like oh my
42:23
god all these people are killed and everything
42:27
else. The person relationship is one thing how
42:30
the person is something else. Yeah so I don't
42:33
know. Some of this stuff just sounds like
42:36
she's just being a manager. Some of this other
42:36
stuff might sound she's been excessive. But again
42:39
I don't know if they would write the story about
42:40
a guy. Massive has a comment. You guys need bus
42:42
drivers and truck drivers. I want out of this
42:43
hellhole and I'll gladly get Canadian residency
42:45
or citizenship if I can. You can go to a Canadian
42:47
government website, just Google it, and you can
42:50
find out if you qualify for Canadian permanent
42:53
residency. It's a point system. And so it has
42:56
to do with how much money you have, how many
43:01
degrees you have, how many certificates you have,
43:03
how many languages you speak. It definitely helps
43:07
to speak French also. But there's
43:11
it's actually pretty easy. It's much easier
43:14
and far more direct than our immigration system
43:14
which we talk about here all the time. So
43:15
Phrasmatas,
43:16
what was the topic about the bodyguard trashing
43:19
the lady's artwork? Who is the principal client
43:21
protectee? Kyrsten Sinema. Kyrsten Sinema.
43:24
Yeah, her bodyguard was tossing her artwork into the
43:28
pool. Okay, so, Phrasmatas, question for Ted
43:31
and Jamarl in the chat. There's a new Kenneth
43:31
Branagh movie, that's always of interest to me,
43:34
set in the Soviet Union called Mayday. It was
43:39
a fun action movie. It takes place in 1988-ish.
43:42
I would watch. I would check that out. And what's
43:43
the name of Ken Branagh? Branagh. He's very acclaimed.
43:46
P.W. Walker, men police other men. Women defend
43:48
and justify bad behavior by other women unless
43:52
they're better looking than them. Then the knives
43:52
come out. I'm not touching that one. No, I'm
43:55
not touching that either. We do have to talk
43:57
about ICE in the time we have left. Evanston,
44:00
Illinois, that's best known for where Northwestern
44:02
University is, Northwestern University. That's
44:04
just south of Chicago. Anyway, ICE was looking
44:06
for a dude outside. You can't make this up outside
44:07
a Mexican restaurant. They saw another dude who
44:09
looks like the guy that they're looking for.
44:13
They go up to him and they say.
44:17
Yo, we're taking
44:19
you in. Let's see some ID. And the guy's like,
44:20
fuck you. I'm an American citizen. Suck my dick.
44:24
Eat shit. And so they get furious and they beat
44:26
the shit out of him. It attracts a crowd. They
44:30
beat him up. They break his teeth. This goes
44:34
on for long enough that there's an angry crowd.
44:37
According to ICE themselves, they were forced
44:39
to flee for fear of being attacked by the mob.
44:44
And Evanston PD is called. They show up, and
44:44
you can tell from their press release that they
44:47
are pissed at ICE. The local yokels show up.
44:50
They see this guy on the ground, unable to
44:52
get up. He has to be sent to the hospital. And
44:57
ICE claims, oh, well, we offered him medical
44:58
assistance, but he refused. Witnesses say nothing
45:03
like that happened. And so this was
45:05
another case of a U.S. citizen being detained,
45:07
beaten. This is just getting
45:07
crazier every single day. And while
45:10
we're talking about immigration, we should probably
45:10
talk about the Trump looks like he's about to
45:12
roll back the Argentine beef thing. But anyway,
45:15
yeah. Well, how can he can't press charges? I
45:16
remember when I had a conversation with Garland
45:18
about this, it's like outrageous. Because my
45:21
thing was, say for the moment that cops were
45:23
there. And say for the moment ICE agents came
45:26
up and the guy told them, hey, suck my dick.
45:27
I'm an American citizen. Show me somebody. I'm
45:28
not showing you shit. I'm an American citizen.
45:29
I don't have to show you anything. And he's right,
45:31
by the way. And he's right. Can the cops intervene
45:32
to prevent him from being attacked or dragged
45:35
away? And I remember Garland said they're probably
45:35
not going to get involved. Garland used to be
45:38
a chief of a head cop of investigations and everything
45:40
else. That's outrageous. Meaning the fact that
45:42
the police department won't protect you as an
45:45
American citizen from these goons of the Trump
45:48
administration. Because they would say, well,
45:50
this is a federal issue. Yeah, but I'm an American
45:54
citizen. Yeah, I'm sorry. You got to work that
45:56
out. And you're a local citizen of the city of
45:58
Evanston, Illinois. Yeah. Well, whether you're
46:01
a local citizen or not, you're in their jurisdiction,
46:04
right? Yeah. It's amazing. It seems like their
46:07
authority supersedes the law. I mean, we are
46:13
seeing some jurisdictional disputes of this kind
46:16
around ICE increasingly, right? The Minnesota
46:17
authorities have been working very hard to try
46:20
to hold someone accountable for the killings
46:20
of Alex Pretti and I forget the woman's name
46:22
in Minnesota, who were both killed by ICE earlier
46:25
this year. And they're starting to get somewhere.
46:28
There's increasing examples of local authorities
46:31
and local prosecutors now indicting ICE officers.
46:34
In some cases, ICE sort of lets them be indicted.
46:38
So there's some accountability, but it's really
46:41
frustrating. Look, the thing is, what I can't
46:49
get past is, again, these are unidentified random
46:51
goons. The media shouldn't even say this was
46:55
ICE. They should say purported ICE officers or
46:58
self-identified or alleged or unidentified men
46:59
claiming to be ICE officers. That should be the
47:05
nomenclature in all of these stories, except
47:08
when people are not wearing masks
47:08
and they're presenting lawful IDs
47:10
and displaying their badges. It reminds
47:10
me of back when I used to go to protests in the
47:13
80s and 90s in New York. You always the cops
47:13
had these plastic elastics that they kept
47:16
by their shields. And if they were about to attack
47:19
us and assault us they would cover up their
47:23
badge. You'd see them take the plastic elastic
47:26
and cover up their shield numbers and you'd
47:29
be like oh here we go and I'd be
47:32
looking for the nearest subway. It's
47:35
just like it just should
47:38
be in the constitution that any agent of the
47:41
state whether you're an IRS auditor or a federal
47:41
agent, FBI agent, you should have to present
47:44
ID. Like if you watch videos on YouTube, there's
47:46
tons of examples of alleged FBI agents showing
47:50
up, refusing to present business cards, which
47:53
anyone can print a business card, but refusing
47:56
to show their shields and their ID. And they're
47:58
like, well, we're from the FBI. How do I know
47:59
that? Let me see your ID. Oh, we're not showing
48:02
you that. Even the Gestapo presented
48:04
their ID. That should just be the law.
48:06
Yeah. If you need to cover up your face
48:07
as an agent of the state, you're doing something
48:11
wrong. True. Just as a rule. Otherwise,
48:11
why do you need to do it? Right. Right. I mean,
48:13
they will. I'm sorry. I don't really think they're
48:16
in danger. Yeah. Put it this
48:18
way. If they're hiding their identity,
48:21
riding up in unidentified trucks and snatching
48:21
people. And then it's like, okay, but you're
48:24
in more danger doing that. Right? Like anybody
48:27
in that crowd could have pulled out a gun thinking
48:27
that these people were - And that's going to
48:32
happen. It's absolutely going to happen. Yeah.
48:32
You're beating the living daylights out
48:35
of somebody. Out of an innocent man. Yeah. An
48:38
innocent man, no less. For fun, gratuitously.
48:41
The day after they shot someone. And so it's
48:44
like the crowd, not knowing what is taking place,
48:47
somebody could easily pull out a gun. In Ukraine,
48:50
for example, when you have those press gangs,
48:53
one of the videos had a guy pulling out a gun
48:54
because of the press gang in order to disperse
48:56
them from grabbing somebody. Okay, that could
48:59
happen in the U.S., especially if you don't
49:00
know who the hell the people are. Yeah. I mean,
49:03
it's just outrageous. You're hanging out at a
49:06
Mexican restaurant? How cliche. I know. I know.
49:09
It actually does. I love Mexican food, and it
49:10
really does make me think twice. It makes me
49:14
also feel like, is going to a Mexican restaurant
49:15
a political act now? I know. I know. The ICE
49:19
thing is disturbing. It really is. Until
49:21
there's consequences, it will continue. And there
49:23
won't be. Guys, thanks so much for tuning in.
49:26
We'll be back tomorrow for the full two-hour
49:29
show, 9 to 11 a.m. Eastern time for DeProgram.
49:31
Please stay tuned for TMI with Ted Rall and Manila
49:36
Chan. That's coming up right now. Thank you very
49:39
much, Jamarl. And thank you, Robby. See you soon.
49:41
Have a good one, guys.