Latest / (re)Visitation Rights / #247 The Grapes of Wrath (1940) | California Looked Better From Oklahoma | RVR03
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- Revisitation Rightspod: Welcome to the Revisitation Rights Podcast. We're doing a two-man weave today. I'm your host, Brandon. ⁓ Pat, where's ⁓ where's Justin? Justin's working. You know, he he's he's busy, you know. He's got they're cutting those checks. There's they're cutting those checks for him now. Poor guy. He has to work instead of doing this wonderful work here. And this is actually a pod after dark because me and Pat are both way past our bedtimes. ⁓ I am way, way so if you're past your bedtime, I'm way, way past my bedtime. Hey, you know, there there's a there's a two hours? No, yeah, two hours. Two hours over? Yeah, two hours over. Yeah. You know, beauty sleep is the reason why I'm aging slow. I don't know why I'm aging so fast. So I don't know. Stress. Stress on the ⁓ on the ⁓ the movie sets. That's what it is. That that's definitely what it is. Yes, but we ⁓ are going to be discussing another movie that we ⁓ me and Pat both watch. It's called ⁓ Wraths? Grapes? Grapes. Grapes of Wrath. Grapes of Wrath. Grapes of Wrath. Grapes of Wrath. ⁓ yes. ⁓ damn, I'm trying to do like a little intro to this. So I I'll I'll let me handle the intro here. Okay. I I got the intro here. Okay. Okay. So the Grapes of Wrath released in nineteen forty. It was made on an estimated, obviously, eight hundred thousand dollar budget. So wonder what that is for inflation today. With inflation, it is actually one point six million. So just about double. So that's ⁓ what, eighty it's too late for math, but eighty six years I think, right? Would that still be considered an indie budget today? One point six it's kinda low. One point Yeah, that could be an indie budget, right? Yeah. Yeah, I guess. I mean low budget. Anything under two is considered low, right? Yeah, yeah. Not a lot of locations in this movie. I mean, yeah. Yes, I'm to For that time. You for that time, I like comparing it for that time. Comparing it comparing it to like a bigger budget movie where there's I guess like green screen, visual effects, all of those things in there. And then it made back then eighteen point four million. It's crazy. ⁓ wait a minute, hold on. I fucked that up. Right? No, no, no, no. It made eighteen point four million and ⁓ would have gotten a thirty six point eight million dollar return with inflation. So that definitely ⁓ I that would definitely a hit in even in today's standards, you know, one point six to three you know, I said thirty five million dollar return. Yeah, and I was kinda doing like I ⁓ oftentimes when I'm like looking at movies, I will start to kinda deep dive Go on the wiki page while I'm like watching it. So I saw I guess this movie pretty much shot right after I guess like the book came out. I guess the book came out. This is a adaptation movie and it was so hot they're like, yo, we gotta go ahead and get this shot like right away. So I did you read the book? I did not, but I kinda wanna go back and read it now. Yeah, I kinda wanna go back and read it too. ⁓ but I did hear that ⁓ they weren't gonna make the movie. And supposedly that ⁓ it was made by, you know, twentieth cent well, not twentieth century it was a twentieth century Fox back then. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. So they ⁓ they ⁓ you know, cause the book was banned in in some parts of the States. ⁓ I didn't know that. And ⁓ and then they ⁓ supposedly the guy who was running Fox at the time, ⁓ somebody told ⁓ the I guess the I guess it's like the MPAA now. whatever it was back then, they got a rumor that the guy from Fox was gonna make the movie and the guy never heard of the book. ⁓ heard of the movie or book or whatever. And he they told him don't do it. You know, they called him, told him don't do it. And, you know, like most men, you tell somebody they can't do anything. So he went out and he went out and he went out and bought the rights to the book. ⁓ man. And then he made you know they made the movie. But ⁓ Yeah, so I definitely want to go back and ⁓ I think I wanna well, I don't have time to read, so I'll probably do the ⁓ Audible. The audio book. Yeah. ⁓ you know, I I mean this is gonna sound pretty bad, but as an adult, I don't think I read a book. Damn. I read a shit ton of books. in elementary school and junior high school. And you know, once you get to high school, you know, between sports and, you know, everything else and, you know, you start getting an interest in girls and everything. You know, something No, never, never, never. Yeah, never. I was I was under the I was under the tree reading books while they were, you know, playing sports and doing all that other stuff. Well, I wasn't. So something had to leave and it was ⁓ it was books for me. I've actually started to yeah, I've started to pick up books quite quite ⁓ quite more now. ⁓ I think one of the things I do is I do it during the ⁓ my subway commute into the office, the days I do have to go in. So right now I'm in between a Michael Crichton book and then I'm also reading like nineteen eighty four. Okay. So yeah, I'm I'm definitely gonna try to audio book that because Apparently the book is ⁓ a little different than the movie. Okay. ⁓ specifically the ending. Where th this ended with, you know, hope and everything like that. And I heard the book was more my style. So blew everything up. Everything is just going to hell at the end the movie. Doom doom, gloom, everything. I mean that's kind of well, we'll get into that, but yeah, let me finish the intro. So it was written by Nunalie Johnson based on the book by John Steinbeck. Directed by John Ford, starring Henry Fonda, Jane Darwell, John Carradine, whose son actually just died the last week. Well, passed away last week. Shit. It was crazy 'cause I think it happened on Tuesday, Tuesday afternoon or whatever. And I started watching it Tuesday morning. Okay. And ⁓ like I I finished it Thursday, but ⁓ I started watching on Tuesday morning and then like later on in the day, I saw that his son died. Damn. Which is ⁓ Yeah, it sucks. I kind of assumes I kind of assume anyone in that movie is black and white, they're all yeah. I think he passed away a long time ago, but as his son recently, ⁓ obviously this week. Yeah. Tuesday. ⁓ it currently has an IMDB score of eight point one and it is ranked right at the bottom at two forty seven. Mm. So I'm I'm gonna start off with just saying ⁓ it's definitely ranked way too low. For me. ⁓ this is the first time I watched it. I thought I've seen it before and twenty minutes into it I was like, I've never seen this before. Okay. And I definitely would have remembered ⁓ most of that that first twenty minutes because it there was some shit in that first twenty minutes that very quietly went under the radar. And so I'm so I'm I'm I'm I'm thinking. So you said that it's too low, but I know there's some some films on this two fifty that you have not seen. So I guess we'll have to revisit that to see if it's still like where does that place in terms of the two fifty after you've seen all two fifty? 'Cause I know there's some like, you know, you might my guess is you might rank Star Wars above that. You might rank Endgame above that. Nah. Nah. I did see Endgame. I saw Endgame. But and there's no way Avengers Endgame is on the two fifty. I think it is. Get the fuck out of it. There's no way. It's a cultural movie. So this is a great movie. That was a great movie too. That was trash. People were fainting. I'm not allowed to say trash. I'm sorry. ⁓ that was ⁓ it didn't appeal to you because you're not, you know, you're not in that that that that that pocket of moviegoers who likes to see comic book adaptations brought to life. But I don't mind it. So I I liked Infinity War a lot. I liked a couple of Marvel movies, but I did not like Endgame whatsoever. Damn. Damn. Like that I guess that fight scene is that's what hit everybody that ⁓ meant absolutely nothing to me. Thor comes out of nowhere. Captain America gets the Thor. ⁓ my gosh. Yeah. Like it i it was cool. But it it meant I you know, 'cause I don't read the comics and everything, it really didn't mean shit to me. Yeah. So I So I'm thinking about, I guess, this rank where you're saying it's too low, it's two f it's it's what to you said ⁓ number two forty seven? Two forty-seven. Currently, 'cause I know it changed the IMDB changes every week, but as of this ⁓ recording it was two forty seven. So I and I I I think offside, like offline, we know we talked about why I've talked to you about me wanting to go back and as I'm kinda studying more in terms of directing, writing I'm really leaning more towards going to those older films and I also I thought this movie was phenomenal. ⁓ but I kind of am not, I guess, sure if this is a movie that's going to stay in the two fifty over time just because it's so dated. So I'm I'm in in the way that we consume movies, the way that we consume films, like I I guess I'm kind of thinking about the preservation of this type of art. Like, how will it hold up in the next Ten to twenty years, given, you know, how we watch movies with streaming and ac ⁓ accessibility to be able to to revisit these old timeless classics. I think something of this nature might not have the access to a Netflix or a Warner Brothers, you know, HBO versus some of the other ones that are easier. It'll have it on Warner Brothers now since Paramount bought them. Okay. Was this on Paramount already? I'm sure Paramount has like I didn't mean I don't know. 'Cause I have I have Paramount Plus. I didn't see it on there for for streaming. I think I think you had to buy it. Usually Paramount has older movies, like older mo like every older movie, even if it wasn't like made by Paramount, 'cause I believe it was Fox. So I don't know who has the right to Fox's ⁓ streaming at the moment. HBO. Yeah, Max also does have a they have like a section of old older Cenophile movies as well on their ⁓ discography. Filmography, I'm sorry. So I I'm gonna I'm gonna push back a little bit on it not being ⁓ not held up well. Everything in that movie still stands today. In my in my opinion. So every single one of those struggles and points you can kind of either find their obviously, you know, it is not a big thing with crops and, you know, land and everything right now. But I mean it is with the land. You know, they have a little bit with land, but wages, shit work. Gumbag own you know, coup corporation owners, police brutality, like all that shit is in there. And all of it is just as relevant today as it was back in the thirties. Yeah. So I ⁓ we we we talked actually like briefly before this offline. So I actually ended up seeing this movie this morning. I was supposed to see it Thursday, but things kinda got away. So I woke up at I think like seven in the morning and I just watched it straight through. So that's a fucked up way to start your day. 'Cause it's not exactly easy. It's not an easy movie to watch. No, but I think something that stood out to me was I think the acting was really good. It it it it held me, I think, for you could make a case for people in their thirties and twenties. They might not have the attention span to watch it 'cause I'm looking at it, I'm like, ⁓ this is two two hours and ten minutes. So ⁓ you know, we're gonna be here for a minute. And I was pretty I was engaged the entire time. ⁓ I thought the acting, the the ins and outs of just the the struggle, you know, just seeing them go from Oklahoma, just how it kind of starts off for the bat is just so, you know, this guy, you know, he hops in the car for some random guy. Like, hey, like I need to ride down the road. And the guy's like, ⁓ you know, you're asking these questions, you kinda give him attitudes, like, ⁓ yeah, by the way, I in in jail for homicide. He like shuts the door and then he just like walks off. Well that's the thing too. Like, you know, when he when he gets ⁓ when he gets to the truck, you know, he looks right at the sign. And the guy's like, ⁓ as per you know, I mean, paraphrasing, but as per sign, you know, my boss says I can't take any. And the guy's basically like, Are you pussy? You can't take you can't take me. So finally the guy caves and, you know, he hops on the side of his car, ⁓ side of the I don't even know if you want to call him cars. I guess you can call them cars. And then ⁓ you know, he drives off. And then he starts try it looks like he's trying to read him, like in the car. So he's like, You know, he's got new shoes on. He l I mean, looks like new shoes, got what looks like a new suit. You know, so he's put together and then, you know, the drive and he's looks at his hands. He's like, ⁓ it looks like you have axle pick hands, like you've been swinging an axle pick. Which, you know, back in back in the day, like in jail you were required to do manual labor. And a lot of it down south was, you know, breaking rock, breaking, you know, shit with the axe. you know, swinging an axe. Very labor intensive. So he's basically just again calling him pussy, like, hey, come out and say it. What do you got? What you gotta ask me? And then I've been to jail for homicide and just slams the door right on him and walks. So I mean there was a lot. I mean you can you can literally dissect every scene in this film. Mm-hmm. And there's there's something deeper to it. Yeah. And I also saw I, you know, like I said, I was kind of doing like the wiki, the, the Google chop down. So I was like, ⁓ you know, this guy who's a main actor is really good. And I just looked and I was like, ⁓ Henry Fonda. Jane Fonda's Ain't got a motor in the back of her Honda. I was like, ⁓ okay, okay, okay. ⁓ damn, like this is, yeah. So I guess if I can try to summarize this movie for people who are watching this or listening to this who have never seen this film without giving any spoilers. Essentially a guy returns from jail. He got pardoned and he's returning home to Oklahoma. He got pro and he yes, he got proled. And then he's going back home to, I guess, start life again with his family. And he gets to the home and he notices that his family is gone. And there's a guy in there saying, Hey, by the way, the land is being bought off, so your family no longer owns this this land. Every family that's been there for generations, they pretty much are losing the crops and then they're pretty much like, all right, well there's nothing left for us here. So we're going to move from Oklahoma all the way to California. I guess this is like during like the gold rush where they need pants. No, it was this is actually like based on somewhat of a true story. ⁓ so a lot of it in the in the film is true. Well, but you know, based on. But they went for work because California, ⁓ At the time, I think it wa you know, obviously it wasn't as big as it as it was now, but they had a lot of scumbag corporation money kind of thing. Robber Barons is we called them in in college. I didn't go to college, so you get scumbag. So ⁓ they wound up going out there for work. ⁓ because California had plenty well s California supposedly had plenty Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly, yes. And ⁓ you know, and that was a way that a lot of people got rich in California. Was they basically what they did in this film was really what they did. They took advantage of, you know, all these people. Like they had supply and demand, basically. That's pretty much what it comes down to. They and somewhere Somewhere along the lines I just kinda stopped in our society. No, it's it's definitely still ⁓ No, that's that's sarcasm. That's sarcasm. Still ⁓ pretty pretty ⁓ impactful. Yeah. I don't know, man. It's a fucking I don't know if it's like ⁓ you know, a while ago we did the Joker and I said that was suffer porn. Yeah. So this is like a different version of suffer porn. So this is more I think it was a better way to do it as you didn't get beat over the head with it. So you you actually saw them suffering. Like you thi so for instance, like ⁓ obviously it everything on the show is gonna be spoilers. We're not gonna spoil tag everything, but the first person on the on the trip was ⁓ the first person to die on the trip was grandpa. Mm-hmm. After he got his fucking spare ribs, he wound up. He was the first one to die. And he never got the grapes on his face. He never got all that stuff on his face just coming down. But he did get he did get the sp he did get the spare ribs. Yeah. But ⁓ like they buried him and they had no time to even mourn him. They just got back on the they got back on the truck and van, car, whatever and just left. And they put the little note in the the model saying, Hey, we just wanna make It let it be known that this person was not murdered. He died of natural causes in case he's dug up. And you know what was crazy? That ⁓ what's the preacher's name? Casey? Yeah. That little fucking speech that he gave right there, cold. I loved it. They're like, do a speech, I'm like, I'm not a pastor anymore. Yeah. So he he basically was like, ⁓ he was a very old guy. He lived a life. He died. You don't know if he was good or bad. And he's like, I would rather I mean, ⁓ I'm you know, I'm not religious, but the the line he said was so hard. He's like, I would rather pray for the people alive with no guidance than those are dead. He's like, damn, that's that's cold, but I love it. Love it. But like there's a lot of little there's a lot of little shit like that in through scattered throughout this movie that you'll never see in today's type of today's type of films because they wanna hit you over the head with everything because of, you know, attention span and I I I mean I don't want to say lack of skill, but you know, we're we're so far into like this art form and the amount of stories you could tell and that it's it's hard to tell a story originally. Completely original. You know? Yeah and And I I I think even just thinking about from a story ⁓ standpoint from the cinematography, how I love older movies because they do let scenes breathe. It's not cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. It's you, you're you're here, you're framing the shot from this, and then they move to the side, to the left, to the right, and then the camera just tilts, you know, it pants. And it's not like scene, scene, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. It kind of allows you to really immerse yourself into that environment and kind of feel like you're with those people who are actually having the dialogue, having the conversation as they're talking about the subjects. Yeah, see I I love the way old movies are shot because they let the actors and the performance dictate the motion. They don't just start throwing the camera on a steady rake, on a steady cam, just start fucking walking in and out, doing it. Like I I get it. Like, you know, there there's a time and place for all that, but the older movies really allowed the performance to dictate everything. So like most of that stuff is locked off. And, you know, the movement in the frame is the actors themselves. I was gonna say we also know having been on sets, ⁓ sometimes the cutting is cutting around bad parts solved it. Yeah. Like they they didn't get that, so we'll cut to this side. ⁓ yeah, they got it on this side. They didn't get it, they didn't get it how we wanted it to, but you know, we'll make it work. But th this is the I so normally we don't agree on films and we did for the most part on this one. Yeah. But I think we disagreed on the cinematography, right? Like you like it as much as I did. I loved it. I think this is one of my favorite f looking films. Yeah, I think it was because there's certain parts that I couldn't I couldn't really tell that That was part of the lore. Yeah. And you you were telling me that that that was the decision from the D P, which I feel like I need to go back and look at more of his work and just kind of get a better understanding of why he does things like his theory in terms of that. I think that would probably give me a better look on to why he did certain things in this film. So I I'm sure we'll ⁓ we'll get to ⁓ Same DP shot, Citizen Kane. Yes. So I'm I'm sure we're gonna get to that. It's it's gotta be in the top I'd say twenty or thirty, I believe, right? Gotta be somewhere where I think so. But ⁓ he shot a lot of a lot of great ⁓ a lot of great early films. And the black the black and white really ⁓ not the black and white, sorry, the the extreme shadows. Mm-hmm. ⁓ I thought was perfect for ⁓ what do you want it, right? So you focused on Tom, you focused on, you know, Casey before he ⁓ fucked himself. And then so everything you see exactly what you're supposed to see. Nothing more, nothing less. So when it does when it does move into the shadows, you know, you you start to see more than what you're supposed to. And I don't think that was the reason for ⁓ for what he was doing. I think he purposely wanted to hide a lot in the shadows and just focus the story on what you see in front of you. Because the story is so deep. Like you shouldn't really be ⁓ focused on the little details ⁓ in the in the shadows. Personally. And so there was one shot that I actually really was paying attention to. I think it was in the beginning before Tom actually ends up reuniting with his family where they're all in the kitchen, they're eating the food. And it's like a wide, it's kind of a wider, wide medi medium wide shot and it has the grandma and the mom and it's, you know, you can see that the aperture, it's like the field of focus is focused on. I believe it was the mom, but then I think the grandma was right next here, next to her, and she was kind of blurred out. ⁓ I thought that was really interesting just to kind of think about. the technology of that time. And I think so let me also just like clarify like that wasn't like my biggest gripe. I just there was like maybe like one or two s times that maybe like when he was walking up the field that I kind of noticed that. But outside of that, it didn't really bother me. Mm-hmm. But also just like highlight how effective this movie was, being that there was not a lot of background music. It was just the actors talking in this And for a film, I don't know if I guess the version that I watched was like digitally remastered in any way, but like the audio was so fucking clean. Like it's amazing to see how clean it was. You could hear everyone authenticate and just like clear. Just I guess that's and that's that, you know, that that's kind of ⁓ one of the things that is a gripe with modern day films is we have all this technology, but you can like barely hear the films in the movie theater. When you get it to your house, you have to have subtitles 'cause like what did he say? Like, you know, they're whispering, but here you can hear everything perfect, crystal clear. They're enunciating everything. We also gotta remember there's a lot of like ⁓ I don't know if they call it ADR back then. Mm-hmm. But his film cameras themselves are very loud. We talked about that. And you know, they don't have, you know, I mean, I'm obviously I wasn't around, I don't know. But I Can't assume that they have like exterior record, like a sound guy exterior recording, you know, booming. I mean, I'm sure there's a way that, you know, they were doing it. But it was pretty much, I would assume, for like ⁓ so like our cameras have like scratch audio. So I'm assuming it was like you get what you can get good, and then we'll just redub it later on. Because, you know, how are they getting such clean audio without, you know. Going into like a music studio or, you know, I don't even know if they had ADR studios back then. I'm sure they did, but how come they're not ADR in all their films now? That's the question. They do. Half the shit half the shit is ADR. But is but you still can't hear it. I I don't know. I think they're I mean nowadays it feels like they're more focused on like sound design than actual like dialogue. It's like it's like Oftentimes with with with movies that come out today, it's you can either barely hear it or it's just like so underlit that you also can't see anything. Yeah. That that's a major gripe for me is the is the underlighting. I I hate Moody moody and s moody cinematic. I mean, how much you know, I I it it's film school shit, right? So then drop the shadows all the way down. Pr what what was it? Pretty Lipstick on a pig, right? Pretty pictures. Like, if you n if you have to like notice cinematography, there's a problem. At least to me. So if I'm if I'm sitting there and I'm like, wow, this is really amazing cinematography. There's a problem in the story. I think for So for this film, like I'm watching, you know, as a whole. So this is why I'm gonna I'm gonna go back and watch it again. But upon first watch, you know, obviously we gotta, you know, judge it on multiple on multiple fronts. So I'm watching for the cinematography also. I'm watching for, you know, all the little technical shit and then, you know, all that categories I'm I'm specifically watching it for. But if I'm going to the theater, I'm not paying attention to all that at first. So, like if the story loses me and I'm noticing, like, wow, these are cinematography is great. There's a problem with the story. And vice versa. So if you notice bad cinematography, there's a problem with cinematography. You know, it it it's kind of like it just should be there. Yeah. And shit nowadays is just it's made, it feels placed. Like, This felt this this movie here, ⁓ Grapes of Wrath felt like it was an actual world you're in. So obviously, you know, they didn't have crazy soft lighting like they do now where everybody's skin is buttery, everything is harsh lights and shadows. And, you know, if you want a softer light, you pull the ⁓ you know, back then you would pull a hard light back. Nowadays you push a soft light forward. You know, the the closer it is with the softbox or the scrim or whatever, it's gonna be softer. But back then you pull it back f you know, as far back as you can to soften it up so it's not so harsh. But there was a lot of purposely done harsh lighting with you know it's a kinda goes with the time and what they're going through through it throughout the film. Yeah. It it just added to the to the like you don't know. Like what's gonna happen with the family. Like, you don't know what's in the shadows, you don't know what's gonna happen to this family. So there w there was a lot of ⁓ a lot of shit to this film. I really wanna go back and watch it, ⁓ Like clear headed. Instead of sitting there and trying to, you know, while I'm watching it, but I'm also judging it at the same time. Yeah, I I probably I mean we'll get to the scores, but I probably will go back to that. And I mean, I shit, I probably really don't have outside of maybe like one or two parts where I said, you know, maybe some of the lighting, ⁓ but you know, you can kinda discount that. But I really don't have any bad critiques for this film. I think shit, ⁓ the acting was was amazing. The writing was amazing. I meant this is just a really good film. And I think it it's for someone who I guess got into really critiquing and judging and looking at films at such a later age, I think it was around that 2018, 2019. And looking at I mean, we talk all the time and you're just like, ⁓ this movie's trash. Trash. I'm not about to say trash. I'm not allowed to say trash. This movie is is not well done. Like, you know, there's certain parts that are good, but then other parts kind of take away from it. And to look at a movie that was made in what, the nineteen forties that was ⁓ adapted from forty. Yeah, fr from that time period that is constructed so well, then I'm just also kind of thinking, why is it that we're not able to make these type of films today? And, you know, I you know, I know that there's a lot of complex issues, also getting funding and getting studios to Greenlit, you know, return on investment, all those things are kind of intertwined into what we get to see today. But I mean this and, you know, as we said or as you said earlier, this film still stands today in terms of just you can connect this and you can make a story about someone in probably Oklahoma or Texas or somewhere in the South, somewhere in the north, somewhere in the Midwest that can relate directly to the story of we there's been there's been there's been I think in terms of our I guess what's happening in terms of our current ⁓ environment, I've I've seen interviews from people saying, you know, we've been on this farm for so long and we don't know how long we're gonna be able to keep this going. This is a family business, a hundred years, et cetera, et cetera. And like, but that's kind of connects to this. Like, All right, if we lose this business, then how do we pivot? Like what are we gonna do next? Because this is all we've ever known. You know, ⁓ we grew up on a farm, we learned from kids doing the hard work. And if we can't do this and we have to find something to do else. And like that is essentially what this film represents that could directly translate to what what's happening now. ⁓ I just am kind of curious to see how they would be able to adapt that giving the writer ability. Well, I mean, Think about it, right? Because so their property was pretty much stolen, right? It wasn't under false pretenses, however you want to disguise it. ⁓ a lot of family businesses shut down during COVID. Now, whichever aisle of the, you know, whichever aisle you're on, COVID might be false pretenses to some. To some, it might be legit, whatever, you know, however you want to play that. But ⁓ it's very similar. So like there's I mean all the re half the restaurants in my area that have been here forever are gone. You know, they're there's something else in this place now. Tax fucking I mean it's tax season, so you know they pop up. But yeah, it's open like what, like like three, four months out of the year? They're like how ⁓ spirit Halloween. They pop up during the time and then they there's something other cell phone store later in the year. Cricket. But yeah, I mean, would you consider this a political film? Because they didn't really I mean to me, it's I think it's more of like a like a human film. So no it's There's undertones. There's undertones. There's there's a lot of undertones, but it's also to me you can go it's kind of like centered. So it's apparently ⁓ the writer and the producer I mean the writer and the director of the film were hardcore conservatives. ⁓ shit. And this w and this was considered a very left type film. Or very democratic, communist type at the time type of type of film. Probably crazy back then. Because of the empathy and, you know, everything like that. So I mean, at the at the end of the day, it's a it's a human film, right? So, you know, everybody can get with the struggles, everybody understands You know, the struggling, the ⁓ like when they ⁓ when the the cop was trying to set up ⁓ well frame or set up ⁓ Tom. Mm-hmm. And he shot the lady. So that was wild. Right? So now think about it, right? The that goes with today, you know, top shoot, shit happens, and then ⁓ After they arrest Casey for it, you know, they they walk by the lady just sitting there dying. And what does he say? ⁓ get a medic. No, was it th ⁓ was it a 380 or a 45? I don't remember. But he's like, they make a mess as he's walking by. Like not not like, you know, let's get this lady some help or not ⁓ these guns make a mess. Just blew a hole in this woman's chest. Yo, shooting into an open crowd is crazy. That's crazy. But I'm s like all this shit just ties into what's going you know, everything now. So that's why I feel like number one, I mean, you don't every time you're in I mean, I've never people's never mentioned it around me. Like I've never heard anybody talk about this film as a great film. Like it's never been. I mean, I've watched I watch a ton of old film. Like I love old film. My old one of my f my favorite film of all time is from nineteen forty-nine, nineteen fifty, nineteen fifty-one, something like that. Street Car Named Desire. So that's old, that's black and white, that's you know, from way back. And I I love old films and I've never gotten around to watching this. Glad I did, and I think I'm I'm definitely gonna watch it again. So The rewatch is definitely gonna happen ⁓ really soon too. I'm but I'm probably gonna start I'm probably gonna just sit and watch it ⁓ tomorrow or the day after. 'Cause I I wanna sit and like go over everything. I wish I had I watched this twice before we ⁓ before we did the show. But yeah, I mean it's I wish it's it's amazing. I wish Justin Will saw this one too. He's too busy ⁓ what's he doing? Sna snapping pictures of babies of JC Penny? Is that is that what he's doing? Taking baby pictures. Is JC Penny still around? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Back in back in Florida, definitely, definitely. I didn't know if they were still around. ⁓ to go back to your it's so I look at like I know often in our current society that we have, people kinda say like, ⁓ this is, you know, political, political And I don't like always see it that way. I I because often politics are misconstrued or guess maybe misidentified with things that happen to do with like social issues and they kinda gets lumped in together. So I guess that's because Yeah. Because everybody's lives you know, everybody plays identity politics. Yeah. So that's kind of what like you could say that this is I I mean, you could say this is a political film in a way of well, maybe they could have had laws to protect the Oklahoma the the local Oklahoma's for not losing the property or assuring I don't I mean I'm not I'm not that educated to think was unemployment a thing. I'm assuming probably not at that point in nineteen thirties. I don't know, because that was right around the Depression, right? Yes. So I think the Depression was in nineteen thirty three? I would assume no. But again, I I I don't know. I mean I'm a whole I'm not I'm not that old. But you could you could you could always say, well, there should have been systems or to help people who were losing the crops or, you know, from whatever. And I think it they also kinda alluded to that not only was the property stolen, but it also had to do with the current weather was also a reason why the crops were not surviving. So I mean you could I mean it it it's like interchangeable, I guess, in a way that I kinda look at it. ⁓ that I guess that's the way that I kinda interpret it. I wouldn't argue that it's not political. But at the same time, I wouldn't argue that it is. Like I could see how somebody would, you know, construe it as a political film. You know, because there there was a lot of undertones and everything was very ⁓ has meaning today, especially by the way that people take everything today. So you can't have a conversation about anything without somebody, you know, bringing up politics. Or like ⁓ that's very left of you. That's very right of you. Conservative pro whatever the fuck. You know, whatever terms they come up with for each other nowadays. The the scene at the ⁓ the holdown. ⁓ they're like look at their watches. You know, like but, you know, that could also very, very well tie into today where there are people like place in a place intentionally to set chaos so that they can have their friends come in and then just shut everything down. And They the guy was like, There's no riot here, so we're not letting you come in, not without a warrant. Mm-hmm. So yeah, like that could every time there's a a protest, either from this side or this side, the other side is always saying that, ⁓ these are paid protesters. Right? So that could something be something similar to that. Just a little you know, like I said, there's everything in this movie can be tied to something that's still happening and that's eighty years And we're sitting 80 years later. I guess also it it it and I think this is also like a generational difference where I'm thinking of, you know, this is for the most part, this would be considered the the silent generation who they don't as much show like emotions, like I guess external emotions. Everything is very internal. So the family was just like, yo, we gotta get up, we gotta go. We gotta we gotta find work. Even that part. where they're stopping and the gentleman is saying, ⁓ you got that, you got that letter about work. ⁓ you got that. Well, there's 10,000 of those that have been sent out, but there's probably only work for about 2,000. And then he starts going into a rant about how his kids died because he could not he could not feed them. And then like he's having a fucking emotional breakdown. Everyone's like, all right, that's it, night. We're going out. And they all like walk away, like, ⁓ what the fuck? Yeah. He's having a breakdown. He's like, all right, time to get some sleep. And what what's his name? He was like, when Pa was talking to Casey, he's like, You think he's telling the truth? And Casey was like, Yeah, for he's telling his truth. Yes. You know, we don't know if it's the truth for us, but he's telling you know, his story did happen to him. Mm-hmm. Crazy. The I'm tell honestly, I I think this this definitely moved up. on my personal list. Like I really want to watch it again to make sure. But I think it definitely crept into like my top twenty. Okay. I I'm I'm not mad with that because I come back to me at the end and then I'll kinda I I probably will have this rated very, very high. and I think as we've been saying this entire episode, this hits very hard because it's very well connected to, like you said, it's Something that happened eighty years ago, but it can be directly applied to what's happening outside. Not just in terms of we're on a farm and we're losing crops, but you could apply that to any job today. Yeah. Amazon workers. You know, you could apply it to them. Like the California what was it? The ⁓ when ⁓ when the guy comes in and tries to get them to work and everybody was like, Well, how much are you paying? You know, can I can you take me to your your you know, they asked We need a lot of intents. We need we need that writing. Yeah. They they ask him the questions and he's just like, Well, I have work. Either you come work or fuck off kind of thing. And it's like and you know what? We're we're only paying whatever, fifteen cents. You know. Or the guy the guy was like, you know, they'll bring in like five, they only need a thousand people, they'll bring in five thousand, they'll pay everybody fifteen cents instead of the twenty five cents, whatever it is. But that's like you know, you can go work at this warehouse, but you know, you come work at Amazon and you know, you have to collect food stamps too, because you can't afford anything else. Alleg allegedly, right? We have to say allegedly now. It's crazy because they're literally just ⁓ this week there's ⁓ Whole Foods that just popped up down my street. So I see a lot of people in there now. I haven't been in that one, but you know, across the street, it's like a local mom and you it's a ⁓ it's a Bravo, ⁓ Hispanic grocery store. And I saw they had a sign out there saying, you know, we're local, you know, we we didn't just come out here by trying to disrupt the the neighborhood, you know, come here and support us. So, you know, I'm just kinda thinking about that essence where I'm going in I'm going in Bravo, the local store, and there's no one in there, but then if I look across the street, everyone's in Amazon. The Whole Foods, same company. Yeah. That's I mean, you also live in a gentrified part, so Yeah. Allegedly. No, no, that's that's definitely that's not allegedly. That that's real. Can I also just say for a second that it was also crazy that they didn't really harp on that, that the grandma just died and then ⁓ mom's the mom just mentioned, ⁓ yeah, she died last night. And you know, we just cause when they cause when the cops were looking at it, you know, like her eyes were open, but she wasn't like moving at all. And then they just kind of skipped over that part. Like, ⁓ no, she died last night. And that was the whole kind that was the whole point of their family. Yeah. And I I can't say anything because my family's very similar. Like we're not, you know, we're not an emotional bunch. Like we don't hug like these guys don't hug. They don't that's pretty much my like my family. The kids hugged. The h the kids ha you know, they ran up and hugged. ⁓ for the little kids. But it's like, you know, there was no real like you bottle that shit up and you move on. Splush ups. Boxing. That's it, you go boxing and you you bottle it up. Like th Tom was on the fucking brink all film long. And all right, yeah, he did kill somebody, but allegedly. But every little thing, like you see him like suck it back in. Like I'm not, you know, I'm gonna calm down, calm down, calm like he's right at the brink every single time, no matter what. Until the very ends. He's like, you know, I gotta get out of here. It's too hot. It's too hot right here around me. And that that turned him into that that end speech. You know. So I think just him getting to that boiling point and then pulling himself back. Boiling point, pulling himself back. Just kind of that was his emotional release. So it wasn't a big emotional scene at the end. I mean it, you it had a little heart to it. But it like that was as much as he was willing, you know, that's as much as that family is gonna give. And the film ends with him leaving the campground where they're at. We're saying we're going somewhere else where we might get guaranteed 20 days of work, which is also another thing. ⁓ well, they're just gonna keep on hopping. They they they have to continuously hop around because 20 days is really nothing in relative to even our days, you know, that that's a that's a blink of an eye. And we gotta find work again. We gotta we have two little ones. Also, shout out to Rosa. Because her hubby just up to the left on her and then she was just like in a catatonic state for the rest of the movie. ⁓ I mean, well, you know, that's how it was back then. But I'm like, where is he gonna go? He he doesn't have a car. He's in like a foreign state. You know, that that actually I got a question. So Would you kinda think this is like a refugee movie? Would you consider them refugees? Because they are there's they are foreign to California. They're foreign to the system because the system their a system fucked them, left them out to dry. They had people finding shit when they go California. They're treated like shit when they get there. Like we don't need any more of you people. Turn around. That's pretty much how refugees are treated, right? So would you consider it You could you could add that. You could add. I mean, not it's not a refugee movie, obviously, but would you consider them refugees in the film? I mean also t kind of towards the end with what Tom did, you know, he you know, he's getting into fights with cops and then, you know, he's just kinda like hiding out and he's like, ⁓ you know, it's little too hot. ⁓ yeah, you could you could apply that to this. He did the Tony Montana in the in the concentration camp. Yeah, and the dude just got bopped over the head in the water. Another another question. So I I'm not sure if this is the right so when when Tom first came home and you know, everybody's like, ⁓ did you break out? Did you break out? You know, jokingly, everybody, or did you bust out, whatever. And then the mom. This is like as emotional as you've seen the mom, where she's like, ⁓ she asked him, Did you did they hurt you in prison? Yeah. Did they make you did they hurt you to the point where you turn into a mean, you know, a mean man? And then did they hurt you again where You're nothing but a mean man, kind of thing. Because he kinda blows her off. How'd you take that? As like Are we going there? I'm I'm I'm asking. Because I I I mean It can't be interpreted that way. So that's that's what I first thought when I watched it. And then, you know, as as I was watching it, I was like, ⁓ I don't know if that means that. So I rewound it like a little bit and I and I watched it again. And I was like, All right, I c I watched it. you know, that specific scene too, because i I wasn't sure how it 'cause my mind automatically went to he got raped. That's that's where it automatically went. And I'm like, maybe not. I was like, maybe maybe it just meant something else. And then I'm thinking maybe it she meant like, did it hurt your s like, did they hurt your soul? Like how it became like a mean That one. We're gonna go with that one. Cause I don't I guess again, me, I guess with my ⁓ un My educ like my miseducation in terms of like the prison system, but I don't like I can't verify like when that was, I guess, actually like a thing. So I don't know if in the nineteen thirties that was like a thing. Well, I mean, because also at I was gonna say also 'cause that generation, but then also that generation, we're talking nineteen thirties, silent generation, they don't like they don't talk about their feelings. They don't talk about stuff. Like you said, they bottle everything up, they internalize everything. So I guess even if that would have happened, he would have never admitted it to his family. Yeah, he didn't admit anything. He kinda just blew her off. You know, he answered her but very vaguely. Like he didn't really give like a strong answer, which, you know, obviously my mind went that was the first thing. Was he getting bent over in the cell. No, I mean it wasn't more so that. It was more so what the grandpa was saying, like right before Tom comes and talking about the yeah, I'm just gonna go and Laying a whole thing of grapes and I just want the put it all in my mouth and let the the the the juices just come all down my I was like, yo. And he was so animated too. He was like, he was like he was he was like, ⁓ I'm gonna go do it, I was like, man, he was he was acting his ass off in that scene. Grand Grandpa had a lot of ⁓ acting chops. He was he was very animated. He loved the spare ribs. Yeah. So I I I don't know, man. I gotta I I I I wanna watch it again. So like now now I know that it's like a very deep movie and I'm probably I probably miss some stuff that you know, I I mean I I feel like I caught a lot of it. ⁓ but I also feel like I probably missed some stuff. So I I'm definitely gonna go back and watch that and make sure that ⁓ he wasn't getting raped. Hey. Pause. ⁓ I I yeah, I would probably go ahead and watch this again. I would say only because I woke like I woke up first thing and then I was like, I gotta watch this movie. So I turned it on. So I would definitely catch more things and really pay more attention to it at like a different time. Although this movie from start to finish like kept me very intrigued. Like there was never a moment that felt dull. There was never a moment that felt boring. I was always just looking at it. And I think that's kind of like when you have a good movie, good writing, good acting, everything is just kind of all there together, then you're not really thinking about like what what's lacking in this story. Yeah, I mean I I I was locked in ⁓ Mama mentality. From that from that first Actually the first shot of him walking, I was like, All right, I I I know I'm gonna like the way this is shot. Just from that first walking scene. And then that little that little comment he made about ⁓ you know, when he ducked under onto the side of the car, I was like, Yeah. I was like, I I I already know where this is gonna get a little deeper. So I'm gonna I'm gonna like it. And ⁓ I I was locked in the entire time. Even though the pacing If I had one complaint, it would be the pacing was a little slow. Okay. Like they they could have ⁓ maybe sped up some scenes just a little bit. Like they could have like maybe cut it a little shorter. ⁓ I don't think they needed to. But, you know, obviously, you know, no film is perfect, right? So there's always gonna be something. ⁓ to me it would probably be the pacing. Especially in like the ⁓ the gas station scene. Which was where ⁓ where he goes to buy the first one where he goes to buy the ⁓ the bread for ⁓ yeah yeah. You know, for her for his wife and ⁓ or for his mom. And ⁓ And then the candy too. With the candy. And, you know, I thought they could have just 'cause that that the the waitress was like a real bitch to start. ⁓ And then ⁓ but that's like that's crazy character arc because she went from real fucking cunt in the beginning to You know, losing out on nine cents. No, she saw the kids and she's like, nah, maybe I should be a little bit nicer. That's ⁓ you know, so I I I I like that every single scene had that boom, boom, boom, boom, or just, you know, start here and then go down, or start down and then go up. I like how every single scene had an arc of some sort. It wasn't there just as placement. ⁓ the funny scene, I think when they were in Arizona, I was kinda laughing. I was like, Man, that That this movie could have been over when the car kinda tipped over while they were going across the bridge. 'Cause if that shit tipped over a little bit too much, they were just in a I was watching that and I'm watching them like, this car was in nineteen thirties. Piece of shit. You know, even the the guy said Jalopi, you know, whatever. That's just loaded to the balls, got ten people, everybody's whatever they have brought to them. And it made it, you know. A third of a third of the way, it still made it. Barely, yeah. Yeah. So you figure from Oklahoma, ⁓ it's probably half the country, I would assume. ⁓ yet I put five C stands in my car and it struggles. And this is 1940, my American, American built. American built. My car stru my car was Amer actually, no, it's built in Mexico. But it is an American car. Shit. But can't even it's five C stands and two lights in my fucking car struggles. The the funny part. Well, it wasn't really funny, but when they finally get to California, they get to the gas station and the guy's like, ⁓ I'm from Oklahoma too Yeah, yeah, I gotta get out of here by nighttime ⁓ So it's a different type of sundown. Yeah. Town. But he but they also encountered that too, because they were at in the nighttime like, we don't need any more of you kind. Back up. And for a second I thought that he was about I thought he was about to get active. I thought he might've got active for a second. He's like, nah, let me back this thing up. We're outnumbered. Because grandpa can't do anything. Grandma, grandpa, yeah. What you got? got Tom, you got Casey. And ⁓ the kids? The kids. Kids are getting mushed. No, you throw them you throw them first as a distraction. That's ⁓ that's how you, you know, get away from a bear attack. When you're in the woods with your friends, you push your friend in front and keep it moving. Yeah, that's that's that's that's and they're going hiking with you. ⁓ I I think the I think see I know you said you didn't think it aged, right? No, I no, I I I think it I think it you didn't think it age from modern audiences. I think this is a great movie. I think this is a great I think this would be difficult for the younger I'm I'm I'm assuming, so don't kill me, but I am assuming because of the length and because it's a black and white film, I think that it might be hard for the younger generation to connect to this movie. Because their attention's the attention span is not shown that that they are giving that they're given this type of information to digest on a regular day basis. Like we're kinda like I'm at the tail end, you know, I'm at that ⁓ T V generation where things kinda sped up. But I can also sit down and watch like a two, three hour movie. But ha like I don't like I could ask my nieces, ⁓ how many three hour movies have you just been able to watch without just like attention and not be on your phone, not be fidgeting. ⁓ so I think that might be why it might be difficult to adapt to, I guess multiple later generations. Wasn't Endgame about three hours? I think close to it. So yeah. But it was but look at the but also look at the demographic, right? It's That's what I'm saying. Like, you birds sit there if they want to watch something. No, I would I would I would so I would I would push back and say that that was a a fan film for people who grew up watching those comics. 80s, nineties, so it was a mixture of late twenties, thirties and forties, I think that it primarily was directed towards. Yeah, but you also got these kids that don't know the comics. I mean, I'm part of that, but I'm not a kid, obviously. But they've seen all the Marvel films. Like they follow along the Marvel films. But then that's also a different topic 'cause it's like action, fucking New York City's getting blown up, buildings. And then this is like a very the pacing on this is very different because if you miss one like one second, like you said, you're you we both said that we want to go back and rewatch this movie. To see like the little nuances. If you're not paying attention for a second, then you're gonna miss the little the little parts in this movie. So like I don't know because the I think it's the middle generation. So like maybe like twenty two to twenty eight, I think, has the you know, would probably pass on it. But I think the younger younger than that, so like twenty one to like maybe sixteen, ⁓ a lot of those kids, I mean it fits kind of what today is about, right? So I think it could you know, definitely shr I don't know if they'll watch it, but I think it would definitely actually i I think it'll connect with just about everybody. ⁓ you know, it'll it'll make you feel something. Whether you agree with it or don't agree with it kind of thing. I think it's one of those films that make you feel something. Yeah, I I hope so. My op me being optimistic, I think that we'll kind of start to return back to watching older cinema and just start to appreciate it. I think that might be a result of the movies that we are getting now, so that we can kind of do more compare and contrast of, you know, where exactly did it go wrong to where and Also to clarify, I I know that there were also bad movies in the thirties, forties, fifties and sixties. Yeah. But these films, you know, there's a reason why it's on the two fifty, right? It's it's it's it's a timeless classic that's it could translate to thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, seventies. Like it that that I guess underlying theme of this film is always gonna be there. Like it's never gonna go away. Right? Greedy just because we're greedy greedy people in nature. You know, so you're always gonna have you know, and we're such a divided country, so you're always gonna have, you know, people that agree, people that disagree, you know, you're always gonna have these type of, you know, haves and have nots. Like there there's never gonna be a time where, you know, it kind of has a it's never gonna be balanced, but where there's a little closer of a gap. So currently the gap is just widening as it as going as wide as it possibly can. But at the same time, like it's never gonna go closer than let's say let's say now we're ninety nine and one. I don't think it's ever gonna be more than like ninety five and five kind of thing. Yeah, Aaron So Yeah, and you also asked me about, you know, could this be immigration film and so if I said no then you could directly apply this to any immigrant family who comes to this country and is trying to get work. Hey, we don't need your kind. We don't want you here. Like you could you could you could plop that any any family that's coming from a foreign land to come here, you could plop that to any state and that could relate to them. Like we don't need any more of your kind. We don't have any work for you. And then they're just like, all right, well we just spent our entire savings. We don't have anything and we're just like here. So we have to figure it out. So, you know, at that point, I'm I you know, I can't personally speak on that, but I would ⁓ I would think that if someone comes to this country and they're trying to find work or they're trying to make better for themselves, they're already here. So they have to figure out a way. And that was kind of what that family did in this film. It's like we just gotta, you know, we we we got to the the rest station and people are saying, Well, you might not have work and they're like, Well, we don't have anything back in California and we're already on our way. So like we just have to make it to California and see for ourselves if there's anything there because there's nothing like we don't have anything at this point. Yeah, what what he's saying? What ⁓ what Tom saying that gas station? ⁓ Something fuck, man, I'm that's gonna kill me now. It said something to that point where, you know, we have no choice or i i it was a deep it was a much deeper ⁓ line from him. But it was basically that, like, what do you tell somebody that has no choice? Or, you know, we're doing this because we have no choice, kind of thing. Something about the car making. I think the car making it and he said the car has no choice to make it, you some something along those lines. But that that's kind of Just the underlying message for the ⁓ for the film. Yeah. This this film is great. ⁓ I highly recommend everyone to watch this. ⁓ I do too. I probably gonna be my highest rated film for a little while. Look at that. Me and Pat agree on the film. It's a it's a fucking miracle. It's a miracle. Where's ⁓ we need the third party here to to kind of throw in the ⁓ The disagreement. ⁓ man. Yeah. ⁓ just ⁓ before we go. Okay. Hey little ⁓ I don't know if you can see that. Best short. Best short long. Well it's supposed to be best long short. Dyslexic, you know. Tri State area public schools. But ⁓ yeah, we were nominated for five double zero ⁓ short film, was nominated five awards, we won one. So we bat twenty percent. Yeah, twenty percent. It's good enough. I would personally would have rather I personally would have rather had the ⁓ the actress and the actor who were nominated win. ⁓ but they they didn't. So we won as a group for best long short. And it just made best long short by it. The cutoff was nineteen minutes and fifty nine seconds. My movie's twenty minutes and four seconds long. Damn. Yeah, so Jo just barely made the cut. Hey, that direct deposit hit someone, right, on time? No, it didn't. I would have won all five if it hit somebody. If I if I'm paying for it, I'm paying for the whole time. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we can't we can't talk about payload on on on on the podcast anyway. So yes. Hard work. Hard work, people. ⁓ that's that was that was medium work. The actors did all the hard work on this one. I I did the medium work. Yeah, but we know how we know how how much time and preparation and planning it takes to even get a five minute film, ⁓ less a twenty minute, full length feature. It's all the same. Yeah. It's all the same work. Just more of it. All right, you could check out our scorecards on the Instagram page. I'm sure my scorecard's gonna be very high. Mine probably will be Very high too. See now here's the thing, since this is the first show without s a third person here or a guest, do we have to zero his scores? No. And average that in? No. Because then that that's gonna affect the ⁓ That's gonna affect the scoring. I think we might have to have him watch it. Yeah. I mean, I I'm I'm all for him still watching this film just because it's so great that I I recommend it to anyone. I I th I think he'll definitely ⁓ I think he'll definitely be on the same page as us, actually. ⁓ but yeah, I th I think we gotta get him to ⁓ to score it. So every film gets scored three ways. Okay. Just for continuity purposes. We don't want we don't wanna fuck you guys up. And be like, ⁓ you know, it doesn't really average out. You know how people get. Yeah. I mean my my score for this this film will be very high, just 'cause like I said, I've been I guess glazing is as the young people say. how well this film was from start to finish. ⁓ yeah, I just acting, cinematography, the yeah, it's just I'm I'm like I'm I'm kinda like just blown away by just trying to wrap my head around how we are in this current state of I know you have very strong opinions about films today, Pat. No, you know what is my my opinion about film it just comes down to budget, right? Because I I I've seen a shit ton of films, especially on the indie level, where They're they have a million dollar may not even. Let's say they have a $500,000 budget. These films are better than films with $40 million budget. Like that should not be. Like you sh you shouldn't have a bad film if your film costs more than $10 million. I I just don't see a reason why your film would suck for $10 million. So I think s I think some of the I think a underlying issue with why it's hard to get why it's difficult to get films that are really good that have strong writing is because they won't get funded unless they, you know, they change it around, they're doing this. And and, you know, at this point I think st ⁓ bigger studios are a little skittish to give original IPs any type of legroom. And that's also why I think this Paramount deal is gonna be worse than the Netflix deal. For for filmmakers at least. Aside from fans, because they're saying they're gonna get more than thirty movies, they're not making more than thirty movies. There's there's no way they do that. Because now because look, Paramount was a troubled studio less than six months ago. Warner's been in trouble for the past couple of years. I think Paramount was about to be bought out a couple of years ago. So it's like you have two failing studios now and You're gonna combine. So not only do you have Par Paramount have their own debt, they're taking on Warner Brothers' debt now. So you're really gonna take a chance with mid budget, lower budget films. As opposed to because Paramount's whole slate for this year is all fucking franchises and IPs. Just look at their next they have what? They just came out with Scream 7, which you loved. I didn't love it. I liked it. I thought it was like mid ground on screen. So I mean there's seven obviously, so you can't have a mid ground, but I I think it like fourth. Okay. But like like three and a half kind of thing. You know, like right pretty much right in the middle. Then they have Scary Movie, which the Wayans got back now, but that's also a franchise. Then there's I think I wanna say they have like ten films ⁓ that I looked at to see what was coming up. And all ten are previous you know, either IP or previous franchises. So they're banking on those. How many of those do they have left that they're gonna put out next year with Warner Brothers? So I I don't believe ⁓ So I did see something. I believe you Parapat was, I think, one of the only major CDOs that didn't get any nods for the Oscars for this upcoming Oscars. Because they don't put out that type of films. Like they're they're they're pretty much putting out at this point to make money. Like I haven't seen a really good, like original Paramount movie. Paramount made movie in a long time. I'm trying to think like what what did it even have? Like I've seen they've made good movies. Like don't get me wrong, Paramount has made some some really good movies recently. But they're all like I said, they're all IP, they're all franchis like, you know, a sequel, a prequel, you know, number seven, whatever it is. Like there's ⁓ they already have a fan base. So I think Scream did what? 70 million dollars? Ninety million, ninety five million worldwide? I think they did. Running ⁓ so last year, what they had like Running Man. Well, Running Man is a remake. Mission Impossible. Mission Impossible is franchise. ⁓ Novakane you said Novicaine? Yeah. That was original. Yeah. It was okay. You know, I I didn't love it, didn't hate it. ⁓ I like Jack Wade though. I think he's Yeah, I think he's good actor. He's a very good actor. He's very enter he's in a lot of entertaining stuff. Yeah. So it was an interesting concept, original. So that was one. One out of you know, I don't even know if that did well at the box office, but I don't think it did. Because it wasn't marketed that well. It wasn't marketed that well. So all their stuff is like IP based? So I I just can't see that, you know, helping out filmmakers. Like they're just now they're gonna have less places to go. Where if, you know, Netflix needs the they need the quote unquote content for their streaming. And they agreed to a forty five day window. for ⁓ you know, for film, ⁓ for theaters. So you know, I I don't I don't see what the big deal is why Netflix why everybody hated the Netflix deal but loved the Paramount deal. I don't I don't get that. I don't think people understand the two failing companies together. Netflix is gonna wind up scooping them both up in a couple of years for pennies. Because is there's no way this works. Well long term that that you know long term that even worse because that means that there's less there's one less studio. So what w at that point you would have what ⁓ Netflix and then ⁓ Comcast Fox. You still got Comcast which is well Fox is under Disney. ⁓ yeah, yeah. They went under Disney. Comcast has Peacock. Yeah, but nobody really watches Peacock. I watch Peacock for WWE. I thought Netflix had WWE. The old content, like the older stuff you can still watch on Peacock. ⁓ but yeah, you would have what? Netflix, Peacock, and Disney. And Disney has like Fox, Hulu, all those properties are all kind of up into one. Well, you also got I mean, they they got some like smaller studios still. Like you got Lionsgate, ⁓ you got A twenty four, Neon, ⁓ Movie. Movie. ⁓ Janice Films. I know people don't like it, but Blumhouse. Bum House, I think, is the r I think they're a subsidiary of Peacock. Nah he's I think he's his own thing. Cause I think everything goes through Peacock and I usually know because at every anytime I'm at Universal for Holly Hornites, it's like a direct, like direct connection with ⁓ the properties. I I thought ⁓ they would they were their own ⁓ individual because he ⁓ I I really like what what they do with Blum like I don't like a lot of their projects. But I d I do like how ⁓ what's the name? Jason Blum. I I do like how he gives directors free reign to do the movie that they wanna do. So obviously like he'll you know, read the script, you know, he'll green light the script. So he'll give them permit like, hey, you know, I think this film is worth a two million dollar budget. Make this movie in two million dollars. And he'll do it how you want it, make sure it gets done in two million dollars. I like that. You know, I I I ⁓ I appreciate the way he does that type of stuff as a filmmaker. You know, I don't my movies don't kind of align with what they do. Like I don't I don't I just don't do that type of horror. ⁓ not saying I wouldn't, but like just stories, ⁓ nothing like that has come to me. Tell ⁓ to cut the check. Nah, I you know, my stuff just doesn't I is it like I wouldn't pitch to them because it just doesn't align. Like I wouldn't want to waste my time, I wouldn't want to waste their time. Like it just doesn't align. I got some form. But like something like Shudder. You know? Yeah. Shudder, they've they've been really doing really well lately. A lot of their stuff is pretty good. Even Tubi Tubi originals are underrated. Not not the not the Tubi shit that you see trending online. But like their their original movies have been pretty Pretty decent. Tubie's not independent though. They're not. They're owned by Fox. Yep. But even still, like they're a small studio. You know, they they make their own stuff, they have their own streaming service. But there there's a lot of places and you know, Netflix was obviously the goal for a lot of people. Was because that's the place where, you know, most people go to watch something. But th there's a ton like Amazon, but Amazon bought out MGM. So now another main studio, MGM, is gone. Yeah. So I think Miramax is wrapped up, right? They they I think so. Yeah. I mean maybe it did it go with maybe they bought it out or I I don't I haven't seen 'cause I think Scare Scream was under Mira no Scream wasn't under Miramax. They were always ⁓ paramount, right? They were remember Scream was originally, I believe, produced by Weinstein. Was he? It was Yeah. ⁓ huh. Okay, so it was Merrimax. But they have a l you know, there's a lot of little studios and it's ⁓ I I just don't think I think the Paramount Warner deal is worse than the Netflix Warner deal. I have one last question before before we wrap this. So I did do some research and I saw that Steven Spielberg is set to produce a remake of this film. What are your thoughts? No, not Steven Spielberg. I mean, listen, Steven Spielberg is ⁓ great. You know, I I don't think this is the type of film produce or direct? Produce. Okay. That that's different. I I wouldn't I wouldn't see it as a film he would direct. ⁓ that's my bad. I I misunderstood the conversation. I don't think they should touch this I don't think they should touch this movie at all. I don't think so either, because I don't think there's a writer talented enough to get all those nuances. I I think, you know, 'cause they're gonna go with a young writer to fit the times so they can modernize the film and A lot of young writers just they want to slam you in the face with them. They want you to know that your their message is heard. And they just slam you in the face with it. Where nothing was really everything was so like you understood their message, but it wasn't like so blatant where, you know, you're feeling like you're being like lectured. And unfortunately, a lot of films today, like you you watch it and you feel like you're being lectured. Whether you agree with the the topic or not, you know, you always feel like they're preaching at you. And ⁓ I don't know. I I I need to watch it again just to to get like a real deep insight into it. But, you know, they remake everything. ⁓ if he's producing, ⁓ you know, that's fine. You know, he has the he has the pockets. So to make sure. ⁓ yeah, I'm I'm always a big proponent of, you know, leave everything alone. Don't there's no need for a remake. I mean I'll go see it regardless, but you know, there there's no reason for a remake of anything. Just, you know, if you're gonna remake something, take the concept and just change it. Yeah. Well, I th so I think the only thing that could come out of this is if they do a remake, then it will make more people go back and watch the original and then probably watch the book or read the book. Well I I did see they considered the book one of the top five novels that changed the world. I or something Something along those lines where it was like ⁓ one of the five novels that changed the world. Something I think it was like ⁓ You gotta send me that 'cause I I remember we Uncle Tom's cabin. I think Uncle Tom's cabin was on there. ⁓ The Bible. I don't think they consider that a novel. I mean si I you know, it is what it is, but ⁓ I don't think that was on there if I don't remember correctly. I don't think that was considered a novel. But I think Man's Search for Meaning would definitely be on there. There was ⁓ what was it? I think it was Was it a no, no, no, because he wrote ⁓ Steinbeck wrote of Mice and Men also. ⁓ shit. That boy was cooking. That boy was cooking. That that wasn't on the list, but I I actually remember reading Of Mice and Men. I wonder if that movie's on the two fifty. Yeah, they had nothing but time back then anyway. So what are they gonna do? They didn't have ⁓ Instagram. No, right, you know. They didn't have TikTok. They didn't have ⁓ Netflix and all eighty streaming services. Yeah, if you had to talk to someone you had to like send a a pigeon carrier to send a letter down the road and then hope that you get it back or, you know, have somebody say, ⁓ that person's no longer here. I remember having to actually physically mail scripts. ⁓ shit. Damn. Yeah. That was that was the time. Anyway. But yeah, I I think if he's producing, I think it's okay. I think he has the ⁓ the pockets and he has definitely has the producing credibility to to make a good film. He's also older too, so I think he would definitely I can't say definitely, but I I think he would ⁓ be more invested in doing it right. You know, especially somebody like him. ⁓ But I I think that's dependent on a writer director. Yeah. Well, time shall tell. trying to think if I could I don't really know off top of my head who I would trust with something like that. Ryan C as a as a fan, as a film fan. No, he's very preachy in his in his in his writing. I don't I don't like it. I don't like his writing. I think he's a great visionary. I don't I just don't like his ⁓ his writing. Wait, what do you la what do you what's that for? On that note Come on. Come on. On that note, this is another Listen, he's a great director. He's a great visionary director. I We're not doing this. I don't think he's the writer director that people say. Adios. On this note, this is another episode of Revisitation Rights Podcast. That was very Brandon. Very polite, Pat. Yeah. I mean ⁓ that's how I talk anyway, so next week we'll get back to the rude and crude. Yes. Yeah. Justin still gotta watch this this this movie. Yeah, we gotta we gotta get him in the loop. All right. Adios.