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Can Carolina Beat Chicago? Ft. Ricky Raines | Panthers vs. Bears 🚨 · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

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[SPEAKER_03]: right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're bringing in our pal Ricky Reigns host of Panthers on tap.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Bob body show the most intricate draft guide a message to him months ago when he said, I am steeped in the draft.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I said, that's your problem.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not mine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ricky, welcome to the C3 Panthers podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So guys, thanks for having me, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man, great to have you on the show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's good to see you again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Last time we hung out was when we were in Charlotte.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I had a great time just wrapping with you and hanging out sitting outside talking and so I remember this is like I've been I message you just maybe a couple weeks ago and you're like, man, I got to spend some time with the message you in the draft guide moment and you were like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I could tell I was like, all right, this leave this guy not alone in the weeds bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was in the weeds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, there was nothing I could even think of outside of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you were a release of the next day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the next time I message you, you're like, I got to catch it with the family.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, you better do that because football starts tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you are on the precipice of every sportscaster or sports night.
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[SPEAKER_03]: of divorce as the foot we have to you really got to make it through this season because it's going to put a lot on your Ricky so thanks for taking the time and joining us we were going to go to Darren Waller Cody put this up real quick is Darren Waller.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Panthers hit 20 miles per hour on the way tied in three by the way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Waller is I thought a good segue to bring you in Ricky is you know, what do you think that Panthers?
1:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, where they're at after this, I mean, I don't even know how to tackle it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You take go ahead.
1:47
[SPEAKER_03]: You want is the, you know, we've, we've seen training camp.
1:50
[SPEAKER_03]: We've seen some tough cuts when it comes to traveling Wallace or some decisions that are made.
1:55
[SPEAKER_03]: We've seen some additions with Bobby of care, which I think is to me is this, all of a sudden this defense is not complete, but ready right now on paper from the beginning.
2:08
[SPEAKER_03]: would have had a big question mark without it there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Darren Wallace, one of these names that's added, they've carried a lot of tight ends.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Where are you at?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Comment out of Trinket, Preseason, and head into week one with this roster and what you've seen from the Panthers.
2:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm glad that you brought me in here Tony, um, because you guys just got done talking about the roster of the, um, record predictions that a lot of these outlets have given us.
2:33
[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of that power ranking right where we're in that 20 to 24.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen a couple of 26 type of range.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and largely I agree with you guys that it's a, it's a fairly,
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[SPEAKER_01]: um fair way to talk about this team that they are borderline top 20 right one thing I would say is that when you look at those teams up there right above us right you you talked about the Vikings you talk about the giants and then the Steelers even I think that a lot of those are interchangeable I think you could move a lot of those around I think that we could be top 18 top 19 going into this season because of the way they have worked this roster a little bit
3:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Jalen Phillips and Devon Lloyd additions to this defense are so significant that that defense of unit is the unit that took strides last season, right?
3:15
[SPEAKER_01]: We want the offense to take strides, but that defense, finally with a couple other pieces, Nick Scorton, we know he's not going to play this year, but he was a big part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get Jalen Phillips, he's going to be really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Derek Brown's going to be back.
3:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Mike Jack, J.C. Horn of J.C. is going to start playing a little bit more inside.
3:30
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got a couple more guys at the back end there in the secondary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've done a lot with that defense and I think that that's going to even improve more.
3:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's going to help the offense.
3:37
[SPEAKER_01]: The other part for me, looking at the roster and looking at the coaching changes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Brad is at having his finger on the offensive pulse consistently throughout games.
3:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that his cadence, his sequencing, the things that he's going to do with this offense are really important.
3:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I reposted something from I believe it was Ryan Pagnetti, he used to was with the Philadelphia Eagles when they wanted Super Bowl as an analytics guy, and he called it the NIL for the NFL.
4:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It was national insert lead because of these insert actions and motions that they're running a lot specifically, Sean McVay, Shayna Hans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we saw Dave canalists do a little bit of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Taco talks is one of the great online content guy for the Panthers community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he broke this down over a year ago in September, where he was talking about how Dave canalists started to flash a little bit of that and show that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Brad Isaac did about three or four of those plays in the pre-season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not even with the first team, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If that is something that they want to do by bringing in these five tight ends, keeping those on the roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where you see the 13 and 11 personnel kind of interchangeability that they're going to start looking at that Sean McVay does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that they've been very purposeful in the way that they built some of this roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Monroe Freeling is in a tough spot, guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I have to tell you all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You all know this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a rookie that's coming in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to start on the right side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's also filling in the shoes of Taylor Bowton who for the large part, let's just be honest about it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the only Panthers you could look at for the past decade
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[SPEAKER_03]: right this is not a third round or second round guy that's right with is that while he is in a tough spot and it might not be the most ideal you did believe in investing him for position so it's like bad we're gonna have some grace but it's not the worst
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, and he got the pedigree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still a phenomenal athlete, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the interchangeability left and right side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He never really played a overwhelming snap volume at either side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he started the one year at left, but he's never done either in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So starting on the right side isn't necessarily hurting his development in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a 10 year left tackle that has to try to play right you're asking to do something foreign right and and you are playing them next to Robert Hunt and and that offensive light if Robert Hunt could say healthy Damien Lewis they're going to help Rashid Walker in Monroe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that this roster is built man to pick up where they left off and improve personally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Ricky what I you know see can I we're talking about this earlier and if anything it's the depth behind Freeling and Walker that terrifies me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have stone foresight as your backup left tackle and right tackle
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we currently don't have a, or at least on the depth chart, a backup left guard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're kind of guessing as to who that would be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And considering how many times this offensive line was injured last year, it's like, man, you can easily see how that could get scary quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If things go the wrong way, we signed a break in Christiansen and man, he would be a very welcome addition to have right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just, it feels like, and this is true of every team of every season, but we're really hoping that these guys can stay healthy, you know, especially if you mention Robert Hunt, if he goes down for whatever reason, and he does have a bit of an injury to show you now, that not only is he out, but now your right tackle has a brand new record to his immediate
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[SPEAKER_01]: not just scary, it's terrifying, Cody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that is that is nightmare fuel for me, man.
7:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when I think of the roster, that interior of the offensive line is where I have my biggest trepidations with this team and it is one of the only places that I can't point to the roster.
7:38
[SPEAKER_01]: and say, man, that's got Dan Morgan's fingerprints on it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he knew that that interior was a big part, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They bring in Robert Hunt and Damien Lewis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They understand the importance and the value of those guys for this office and for this quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what is almost perplexing to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no investment, there's no allocation to the backup spots.
8:00
[SPEAKER_01]: It's sort of like, well, look, we got Chandler Savala.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want to continue to develop and see what we could do with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, man, like, there's a lot of film out there all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not good.
8:09
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the evidence isn't good, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and and and Brady Christie's and I would love it man if Brady were 100% healthy come out there but Brady didn't even look 100% healthy when he was out there.
8:19
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't look like he was all the way back to form in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He looked like he was still kind of rampant up and getting something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You think that's what it is Ricky because I mean and I don't doubt that and I don't doubt he's dealing with something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I also think that they needed some spots to the keep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some hate like a man like a HN I will ever fuse calm at the end.
8:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I feel like some of these had to be some strategic I are moves to to keep this week one roster end of season roster that they wanted
8:51
[SPEAKER_01]: with Brady I saw him come up lame in the game and it and it worried me immediately I believe it was Aaron Duncan and I was having a conversation with at the time shout out to Dunk on the man in the painters collective awesome stuff that they're doing too but him and I both noticed it and we talked to each other the next play didn't look good either you know so he legitimately looked like he was struggling that there was a physical ailment that happened there
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the good news, the silver lining of that whole scenario is that it's a soft tissue thing and it wasn't a re-injury of a very significant injury that he just wanted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What is it that is the current the injury they've listed?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was calf or something like that if I remember.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll send you your point two is that when going back to the dead Morgan component yeah fingerprints is that is like say you give get Dan Morgan all the grace Possible like the best case.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean he's put all the money in the offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He has done these things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He strategically fix some significant weaknesses like targeted targeted target
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[SPEAKER_03]: even the role with Savala kind of, which I don't think is interrible in theory going into the pre-C into training camp.
10:04
[SPEAKER_03]: But Brady Christians, it was a very late ad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it almost felt like it was like, well, I don't know, it was like, let's, we don't think anybody's gonna take them.
10:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It was hamstring by the way for bravestring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it didn't feel like to your point though.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that even Brady Christians and the greatest scenario seems a little less than intentionality
10:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's been an advantageality, but also he's let's also keep it, you know, a buck 20 year rate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was I think a pretty effective player on this offense for a while, but I also think that he has taken a step back because of these injuries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's natural to assume this dude isn't going to be the same player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was the first four or five years he played for the Panthers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And not day one anyway.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: no doubt about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was just to add to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it seemed like they had a lot of chips in on Chandler's Vala's development, right?
11:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Because of those exact reasons that you talk about how late they were in the process, even bringing in Jake Kieran, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jake Kieran was a guy that only had one workout with another team and the NFL during the offseason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it was with the giants, I think, that they brought them in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They worked them out and didn't get a contract there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we signed him, Brady Curses, and again, familiarity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they feel comfortable with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's no way that they looked at Brady and said, this is the first guy off the bench for us, right?
11:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he's had injuries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know where he's at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was still a utility guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was still a reserve player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chandler's of all it was there playing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just wasn't the most prudent plan in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, that's not to completely just crap on Day of Morgan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's done a lot in a little amount of time with his hands tied behind his back at times.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And at least they put mate with Chandler Savala rather than I like this squad and the practice wants the same place for him right continue development.
11:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's I was I was Pized by them moving on from traveling wall is the anything else You know, it seems like where you were talking about they sank a lot of resources into this player I mean, while this was a starter the last two years and the fact that they were just willing to move on
12:12
[SPEAKER_00]: for co-watch and charalice behind Oak and Ricky.
12:15
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that actually is, I'm heartened that Dan Morgan is moving in the right direction as a leader in GM of this team.
12:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, make it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 100%, but actually, I do want to go to Darren Waller in that regard because Ricky, I've been saying for a while that when we lost Chris Brazzle,
12:38
[SPEAKER_00]: that really did shake up the plans that the Carolina Panthers had on all fans.
12:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they really valued the idea of having a 6 foot 4 plus guy with a huge catch radius who can go up in high point a football and I think that they're wanting to give Bryce as many of those options as possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
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[SPEAKER_00]: The very mere presence of Brasal is what inspired them to want to move T-Mac into the slot more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my question to you is, do you think that Darren Waller, even though the Titan room hasn't been wonderful, we have a lot of questions about D.T.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sanders and Mitchell Evans was okay last year, but nobody felt like we have a star Titan in the room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they bring in Darren Waller, is that more of a critique on the tie-down room or just more of, we want a big body to go up and get it red zone threat for Bryce to be able to pinpoint in those red zone situations where he feels confident just putting the ball up in a pinch and they'll come down with it.
13:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a couple things, Cody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think first of all, he had no one else calling him and you got him for dirt cheap, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, what's the risk in that investment?
14:00
[SPEAKER_01]: If it doesn't work out in the offseason or if it doesn't work out in the regular season, it's guaranteed to be what about 1.25 million or something like that for making the B3.
14:09
[SPEAKER_01]: That's an okay thing if it doesn't work out for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Second, there's a familiarity with Darren Bevel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw him against us the Dolphins last season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had a really good game against us.
14:19
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a seamstretcher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can work that middle of the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He offers a little bit more after the catch, which is something that right now, our room, our tight-end room does not have that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is one of the most critical parts of that room that is just consistent in failure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't mean failures in like they all suck their trash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean failures, and it doesn't happen on the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and they want to facilitate that, they want to work that in.
14:40
[SPEAKER_01]: But when we talk about those inserts, that's another thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You bring up Brasal and you can use Darren Waller in the same way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to get them some interesting release points to work in their full route tree, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't always want to have them lined up in the same place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are guys that you can use in that insert kind of way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you get Darren Waller to run through the sea gap and get on a mismatch with a nickel who asked to cover the entire route tree on a guy who he just said ran 20 miles an hour, right?
15:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot to count for, especially for a six foot five, 250 pound guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not your typical slot guy that a nickel can line up with and say, hey, if we got to go speed for speed, I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still a big guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You toss it up to him over the middle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're in trouble.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Brasal was similar to that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just to your point, Cody, though, about like the Brasal pick is what kind of gave them the nudge to move T-Mac inside.
15:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a success that they saw with Tettaro McMillan inside last season that they said we want to do that regardless.
15:35
[SPEAKER_01]: A big part of that is going to be jailing coper self.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because of Jayland Cooper, who I think is the most versatile piece on that receiving group outside of T-Mac, if he can play outside and man that X or that Z, you know, or exactly get to play the Z and move around a little bit, and then T-Mac can play that slot alignment.
15:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that was always going to be in the plan similar to how I think the J.C. horn plan was always going to be there, but it helps when you have new players on the team that you can say they also help benefit that situation as well.
16:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, are we, are we shocked that they've got while they're listed at, uh, tight in three on the step chart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to guy him man like for me it taught me tremble in Mitchell Evans are the keys to this room like they just are because they want blockers if they're gonna stay in 12 or 13 personnel they have got to be good blockers you look at what the Rams do these tight ends when you're gonna run these insert motions in the run game tight ends are gonna be responsible for sealing off an edge player on that on that side on an island by themselves and a tackle is gonna be responsible for that in other situations.
16:37
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to feel good about that player being able to do that, that's not Darren Waller, and it's not J.T.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sanders.
16:43
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just the honest to God truth, man.
16:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Darren Waller has played in the NFL for a good amount of years, and he has never once been mistaken for a good run-blocking Titan.
16:53
[SPEAKER_01]: He is a fast-catching threat, and that is what he's going to do.
17:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Hell, it might just be a similar, you know, with a 53 man roster, you guys know this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you talked about it when you, when you did your roster break down right, when they made the 53, you got 53 that make the roster, but 48 are your active game day guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So at least five, if not six, depending on how many offensive linemen you have active, at least five or six of those 53 are going to be an active on game day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be shocked if it's four tight ends active on Game Day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be shocked if JT Sanders is the odd man out, and that it's Dare Waller and Felipe Franks, because Felipe Franks is going to be a core force special teamer, who also shows a little bit of flashes on the offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't forget that guy's a former quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been playing tight end for what, for three seasons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like he's still developing there in a very similar way that a guy like JT Sanders might be thought of as developing in that manner.
17:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think JT Sanders is on this team after the bi-week
17:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh man, um, and I say on the team that can obviously what I mean is like, like, oh, like, oh, you could like a practice squad, whatever, but like, but like, there's even been 40, but like, is he a part of the team either on the, um, actively.
18:11
[SPEAKER_03]: And that 48, but also that game day in active, do you see him there after the body?
18:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it all depends on if somebody else offers him offer something for him.
18:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that the Panthers are okay keeping him because I think that if he's an inactive on game day or if he's a, let's alternate between him and Waller or don't forget, they're waller only played what nine games last season.
18:34
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, he's on touchdowns though.
18:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, six touchdowns and what I was gonna say when you guys were talking about like, or when C.K.
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[SPEAKER_03]: asked about him being listed as the three,
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[SPEAKER_03]: is I don't have a issue of not issue.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not surprised he's listed as the third, but I could see him actually used more offensively in a schematic way than the other guys.
18:58
[SPEAKER_03]: So the other guys are all in those times where we don't care about the tight end, they're playin, but when the fan cares about a band of tight end is Darren Waller's in there making those plays,
19:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't dislike or like Jetevian Sanders, but I think that when you're talking about how many offensive linemen can you run, I don't think you're going to have as much luxury on this team somewhere down the road.
19:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it keeping three quarterbacks?
19:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it keeping whatever an extra here?
19:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And to me, as like, I...
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's a trade, a draw, like or anything, but I have a hard time, like CK say, and is us keeping this many, even if you're not active and bloating that spot when we have these giant questions that guard and different things, like we need to be bringing players in there, and I know it's a tough question, but I guess this is the only way
19:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
20:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, a smart way to look at that Tony would be to also look at what you just talked about there are guys that are going to be coming back that are on IR with the intent to return right designated to return.
20:10
[SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about it.
20:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Kiacquano, if he gets healthy quickly, Taylor Moton, we don't know exactly what his status is, but as soon as he's healthy, they're going to bring him back and he's going to start.
20:18
[SPEAKER_03]: He's going to play and then you talk about this issues and these other positions.
20:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're talking about Turkworton, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of those guys.
20:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you're coming back.
20:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they have every intent in him playing the season.
20:30
[SPEAKER_01]: They said that and they meant it from what I've understood that they do believe he is going to play at some point this season.
20:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess what I try not high on it, but you think that's not high on it.
20:39
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that one of those guys.
20:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you ask me, so you're going to be here after the trade deliner week five, those guys can return a week five.
20:45
[SPEAKER_01]: If one of those guys is healthy, I think that JT Sanders is going to be one of the first few names on that shopping block to be off.
20:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So no, I don't think that that's a high likelihood that he's there because I think that they could trade him if somebody wants to trade for him.
20:59
[SPEAKER_01]: If another team has an injury, I think that he makes plenty of sense for them to come and trade off or something low.
21:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And they say, well, look, we're going to end up cutting this guy anyways when the numbers need to kind of get situated for us.
21:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So by all means, if we can get a stick of gum or whatever form here, three before we just let him lose to the masses.
21:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Might not even get this stick of gum, that's right.
21:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Ricky, can I ask you the question?
21:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, tight ends are foreign, JT Sanders, all the stuff.
21:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we get down to the real meat of the sandwich here?
21:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, like the real, real questions is Haines King.
21:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Going to give us a chance on the offense this year, dude.
21:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That stuff, you know, around the bush, let's get to what really matters to Carolina Panthers fans.
21:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't certain if I was allowed to drink on the show, but I'm really glad that I brought my beer.
21:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so let you go.
21:51
[SPEAKER_01]: This is your second question.
21:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been born in a cup just because I look like a lush half-the-tempe.
21:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's start it out because I'm not detracted from Cody.
22:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I want you to dress Cody straight up.
22:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
22:04
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no.
22:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not.
22:05
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all right.
22:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all right.
22:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all right.
22:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all right.
22:08
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all right.
22:11
[SPEAKER_03]: like a line by line instead of picking games we've already picked to early games we've already tried to pick division winners right I mean the filling time but this week in the fill time is we're doing a bunch of different little props is like
22:27
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... to be a hubbard more than fifty five percent of carries or something like this so to let you address codey's question my prop later on which is not now later on it's now we'll do it over under hands king's hands king touchdowns this is passing receiving and rushing two and a half on the season over and under and then address codeies
22:55
[SPEAKER_03]: question, the meat and potatoes bullshit cut is not meat potatoes.
23:00
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
23:00
[SPEAKER_03]: It's your sandwich if that's okay.
23:02
[SPEAKER_00]: If the fans what they want, they want to know when hands can is getting the ball in the hands.
23:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take the under and I'll feel pretty good about it.
23:17
[SPEAKER_01]: If this is meat and potatoes, Cody, this is some obscure, like, canned meat, they don't like one or two people eat, man.
23:23
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not like steak, it's not a restaurant, but they have more to me.
23:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah, you know, spam is a delicacy in Hawaii.
23:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It sure is, and it is, and I don't even mean spam.
23:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about something even more different than that.
23:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking like, full cook chicken in a can, man.
23:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the meat that you're talking about, yeah, we're not talking about it.
23:44
[SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about flakes and birds in a can, brother.
23:47
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about canning, whatever Excel catches or catch it.
23:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say this, because I saw a panther gal who also is a watcher of panthers on tap and I saw her say that Ricky didn't think that Haines King was going to make the roster.
24:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have him on mine.
24:05
[SPEAKER_01]: on my roster that I would have done, I did not have been making it on the predictive roster for the Panthers.
24:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I did because I think that they are very intent on developing a low-cost backup quarterback.
24:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is all this is though.
24:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I do not see Haines King as a integral piece or even a focal point even like in specialized situations for his offense.
24:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that if Haynes King plays and Cody, this isn't a crap on Haynes King, by the way.
24:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to make it seem that way.
24:31
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a young developmental player, but we saw him in one game in the Hall of Fame game against the Arizona Cardinals who were one of the NFL's worst teams, playing against their third and fourth and fifth string players.
24:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is all we saw.
24:42
[SPEAKER_01]: That is not to detract from his game.
24:44
[SPEAKER_01]: He had a nice showing, but that is all we have seen, and that is all the rest of the NFL has seen, right?
24:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think what the Panthers did is they said, we want him on here because we want to continue developing.
24:54
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have these inactive.
24:55
[SPEAKER_01]: We can drop him.
24:56
[SPEAKER_01]: He could be inactive.
24:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but if he's keep this in mind too though, if he is one of the inactive, if he's not getting a bucket in a jersey on Sundays, he cannot be the emergency quarterback that you call up to come in and play for a downer to and then bring him back off the field.
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: If he gets entered into the game as the emergency quarterback, he's in for the rest of the game.
25:13
[SPEAKER_01]: So you cannot sell out Bryce younger.
25:15
[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot sell about can he pick it if if Bryce is hurting, pick it's playing.
25:19
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't sell him out unless they're active roster players.
25:21
[SPEAKER_01]: If there are emergency, he's got to play the rest of the game when he comes in.
25:24
[SPEAKER_03]: So is there a world though?
25:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there a world though?
25:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I am with you.
25:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't think that they were going to roster three quarterbacks.
25:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't think they were going to have the luxury of being able to do three active quarterbacks.
25:36
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if they're going to be able to do that throughout the season.
25:39
[SPEAKER_03]: So I have been kind of in that obviously in your camp, Ricky, about where I think.
25:45
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't even know if it's like developing him,
25:50
[SPEAKER_03]: But we did see, was it last year or the year before where Bryce took that fourth and one that short yardage snap and could not sneak under.
26:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the next week, they were trying to do something different.
26:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And they can live in a land in that idea.
26:10
[SPEAKER_03]: So is there to, I guess, because I try to appease both not appease, but give Cody as creedads or whatever, is that I don't see him being
26:19
[SPEAKER_03]: quarter back.
26:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even necessarily see him being as large of an integrated role as a taste of him.
26:25
[SPEAKER_03]: But if we were around it out and not struggling as a roster at some point in the season, is there a idea that like, hey, this is where we can kind of work him in and like, this is the type of package we bring him in.
26:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Not necessarily even go line, but we're talking
26:47
[SPEAKER_00]: You put them in and you don't know what he's going to do.
26:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he going to run the ball like he's going to run it That's what they're very good.
26:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But people carry the day people very excited to talk about the taste of Hill role And you know, he's not a tyrant in like taste of Hill was not a running back like taste of Hill was taste milk was like other jack of all trades But I'm saying could they design him some packages seeing us out there kept him on the 53 man roster
27:14
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Dave can now, as basically said, he's a 25 year old dude.
27:19
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like he's just some 20 year old young upstart that we just see potentially.
27:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And then to tell you this point too, most teams aren't really in the business of developing a backup quarterback.
27:33
[SPEAKER_00]: So is there any world in which they do try to scheme up some plays specifically for him just to keep the defense on their toes?
27:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not plays that you're like, oh, we're going to use that this, but like, hey, man, it's fourth and one.
27:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's fucking bring this out.
27:50
[SPEAKER_03]: My point, too, is in I guess we're just bombarding you here.
27:54
[SPEAKER_03]: is I was so not thinking this would happen Ricky.
27:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I just didn't think that it was going to be worth it and worth it, but if you are going to keep them on the active, you might as well consider him a vibe like some sort like why would you even keep them on the active roster if you weren't even interested, potentially maybe using them on of worth them.
28:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Tony, do you understand like do you remember what the emergency quarterback role is?
28:21
[SPEAKER_03]: No, because I don't want to get to that moment, though, like if we get to that moment, all is lost.
28:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if Haynes King is our quarterback,
28:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Tony, I'm looking to next year.
28:34
[SPEAKER_02]: You're missing out on the the point of why key teams because you're going to see it multiple teams keep three quarterbacks on their roster.
28:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's been a lot.
28:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you have the new the rule that they implemented.
28:45
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not a part of the active.
28:47
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not a program man.
28:48
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's like the worst case scenario.
28:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you can you can pull up a third quarterback from an active slide without taking up the 48 that you would have come into the end of that.
29:00
[SPEAKER_03]: But if I was that point, I'm fucking crying on Sunday.
29:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you might be, but my point is that I think there is a real example where Haines Keynes doesn't get a single snap on this offense.
29:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's just an active for the whole year.
29:15
[SPEAKER_03]: The whole year as a look at the third year.
29:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the only way you're seeing him take snaps is that he ends up having an injury to, uh, to, uh, can he pick it or to a bright young and then you're having that, that scenario pop up.
29:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I, I just don't think that we're going to see them.
29:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Because here's the difference.
29:35
[SPEAKER_02]: We're hearing the Tasem Hill conversation a lot.
29:39
[SPEAKER_02]: While Haines King can be a dynamic player, he is not a Taseem Hill.
29:44
[SPEAKER_02]: He is not the body type of a Taseem Hill.
29:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Taseem Hill is the type that's gonna run people over who is gonna be able to play that tight-end role.
29:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Haines King is not a tight-end body.
29:54
[SPEAKER_02]: He isn't, he isn't, he isn't, Taseem Hill was a tight-end body.
29:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Who played quarterback?
30:00
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the way that that's the difference there.
30:02
[SPEAKER_02]: In my opinion, and I'll let Ricky make his opinion on that as well.
30:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I did, that's just what I look at it like.
30:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with your take, honestly, I think that my assumption would be that if things go well this season, then Haines King will be inactive for 17 games.
30:20
[SPEAKER_01]: That's if things go well.
30:21
[SPEAKER_01]: The other end of that, though, is to Cody's point about, okay, they figure out a way to bring him in, I think the first thing they've got to do, though, is get this offense, the actual offense situated in performing at a consistent level and at a high level.
30:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I have a euphemism that I've said before in our show and I don't want to be super vulgar on yours because I don't, you know, I don't like bringing my trash to I love it.
30:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to hear it.
30:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
30:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, what I said, my euphemism is it's like trying to get your dick stuck to a donut, right?
30:49
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to use the donut, man.
30:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the original act is cool enough, right?
30:53
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to figure out your offense first before you try to get cute.
30:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that if you're talking about we need to make packages for hanging, hanging, hanging.
31:00
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what we're doing with the actual offense yet.
31:03
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what this looks like this season.
31:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to see Brad idziek and I want to see Bryce young and I want to see jibba in Jonathan Brooks and this offensive line I want to see exactly get I want to see jail and coca stay healthy I want to see the tight end usage actually turn into something all of those things are points of emphasis that I think you have got to figure out and really work on before you start saying but hey.
31:24
[SPEAKER_01]: We might need to keep Hane's King active on all these games because what happens if two plays at a game?
31:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Are the games or the games that we need Hane's King?
31:32
[SPEAKER_01]: If that's what we're up against guys, we haven't done well with all the other things.
31:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Or the flip side of that is if you can't figure it out.
31:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Then maybe you can't figure it out that you have to like continue to try to that's a problem make it exciting by putting a doughnut on it right and maybe it's just jersey right right let me it's because I am enough with the I'm Cain's king I don't want to talk about it really I want to go back to your back pants was famed
32:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I was excited.
32:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that the move to Brad's bread.
32:06
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like you brought it up when you came on and you started.
32:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought this was a good move for Dave Canales.
32:14
[SPEAKER_03]: And while you can argue, oh, we hired an offensive to coach because we wanted to be offensive.
32:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I think that,
32:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Having an offensive.
32:24
[SPEAKER_03]: This has been my take Ricky.
32:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me just put my take out on this is that I think you can hire an offensive coach.
32:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, yes, there are these kind of savants that can do all of it.
32:34
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of them have been in the league and Andy Reed has been there in every situation.
32:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Then you have the shanna hands that are kind of the savants in this.
32:43
[SPEAKER_03]: is I think having offensive coaches, a benefit, Brad is it can be his offensive coordinator, Brad is it fucking thrives and does great.
32:51
[SPEAKER_03]: It moves on.
32:52
[SPEAKER_03]: You have enough of a base offensive philosophy to not be destroyed by him moving on.
32:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought this was good for Dave Canales as in trying to over like is like now again one of the hardest things for people even like myself in management roles is delegating responsibility and you know you want to be part of everything you want to like so I thought this was a positive move for the Carolina Panthers.
33:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Where do you see the stakes for the Carolina Panthers going into this season?
33:25
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't need you to be crazy like it.
33:28
[SPEAKER_03]: But like to me, I think this is a big season.
33:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I think in arguably we can get in the weeds about Bryce Young, which everybody will at some point.
33:37
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think this is a big year for Dave Canalis.
33:41
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if it's make it or break it.
33:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's second on the odds list to get fired.
33:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't necessarily want or need or hope he gets fired.
33:51
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do think that this was a strong move for this team to overal for him to perform better as a coach.
34:03
[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
34:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that a lot of people really
34:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And fairly, I am not judging the people that got caught up in this, but a lot of people got caught up in this quarterback whisper narrative about Dave can now is and about the greatest well in in his exes and owes as an offensive guy wasn't his calling point man like that wasn't it is his time at Tampa Bay they were middle of the pack and with a lot of talent they were middle of the pack they had to gain five in ten times better.
34:31
[SPEAKER_01]: there was a lot of people.
34:33
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of Tampa Bay fans and a lot of Tampa Bay content guys that will sit there and they'll tell you they're like man it it was frustrating at times we can now is but it was also his first year as a play caller like this is a guy who was still green to that element of the game but what he learned was the team building.
34:49
[SPEAKER_01]: He learned how to be a CEO type of coach from Pete Carroll.
34:53
[SPEAKER_01]: He always talks about being an underling of Pete Carroll.
34:56
[SPEAKER_01]: People might not realize but Pete Carroll was not an offensive coach.
35:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a people person that motivated a team and brought in the right people as you just spoke about Tony delegated to the right people to do the jobs and he also had people underneath him that continued to develop one thing they've now said that we all kind of took the wrong way and we kind of realized what he meant was well we're a developmental staff.
35:20
[SPEAKER_01]: We thought that meant developing the players, right?
35:22
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the first thing we thought.
35:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you start seeing them hand off the play calling responsibilities to different position coaches and coordinators in the preseason because they're giving coaches the opportunity to get their feet wet in the arena that they've never been able to get their feet wet in before.
35:36
[SPEAKER_01]: they're developing the staff for a situation like this where if Brad isick does exactly what you just said he comes out and he blows the roof off with his abilities as an offensive coordinator and Bryce Young takes these leaps and bounds and everyone says oh man Brad isick is just Bobby slow it huh like he should go and get an offensive coordinator job or a head coach and job we remember what happened to slow it first of all.
35:56
[SPEAKER_01]: pump the brakes, right?
35:57
[SPEAKER_01]: One year wonder, isn't it?
35:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I think that this is a situation where even if Brad finds wild success and somebody wants to coach him and take a chance on him, I'm not sure that happens, but if somebody wants to do that, you know, they set the zero.
36:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think every set is zero because first of all, I don't think it's just about Canalist.
36:13
[SPEAKER_01]: They really like Berke Vici, the quarterback coach.
36:16
[SPEAKER_01]: They really like him.
36:17
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got other quality control and position guys back there that they really like on the offensive side.
36:22
[SPEAKER_01]: They're developing this staff for longevity.
36:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Dave Canalist's job is in peril at all of this season personally.
36:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I do not think that.
36:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is a huge year.
36:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's incorrect to oversell how important and pertinent the season is for the Carolina Panthers.
36:37
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's more from a personnel standpoint that it is for a coaching staff standpoint.
36:41
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I think they like Evo, they like Dave can Alice, they like Brad, it's it, but Bryce young Jonathan Brooks, some of these defensive players, this is a moment for them to prove that their staples and that they need to get paid to stay here.
36:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, it is time to pivot.
36:56
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, I'll follow up with this and I am the most, it's CK and I, the middle of the road people on this show, but think of a doomsday scenario.
37:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't want it.
37:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I do not want it.
37:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm rooting.
37:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's going to happen, but
37:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Say this is a real walk back, right?
37:19
[SPEAKER_03]: And a walk back from eight wins could be five wins.
37:23
[SPEAKER_03]: That does not have to be a two win season, but a walk back.
37:28
[SPEAKER_03]: It does raise questions.
37:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And look, we don't want to get into the Twitter verse of Bryce love, the Bryce haters this and that.
37:38
[SPEAKER_03]: But after this season, you are in a spot, then if there is a walk back is that the quarterback is not going to be the answer.
37:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't mean that he's not in the league anymore.
37:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't mean it doesn't.
37:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like none of that.
37:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, is do you see a scenario where the quarterback or like where Dave can Alice survives and Bryce young doesn't and because this is where I've kind of just been at is it's kind of weird for me to think of a world where Bryce young does it step forward steps back.
38:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Does it survive, but then you're like, you know what we like to had less or enough.
38:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I mean, that's just, do you think there's a world where everybody's or what one where Dave can Alice could survive that setback?
38:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I do, honestly, I won't say that I think that it's probable that that's the end result of this season because as you said, I believe in Bryce Young's ability to execute an NFL offense.
38:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he's a really smart player and I think that he's shown that between the years part of his game, I think that that is on display.
38:52
[SPEAKER_01]: You can have the conversations about Armstrong that I think that it's a fair conversation because Bryce Young does not have a lead arm strength and he wanted to just argue with
39:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyone that says that he has a lead arm strike though is just gas lighting and I am a very big Bryson fan and I am a believer in Bryson.
39:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe that he will prove it this year.
39:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I truly do.
39:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he has a real command of it.
39:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Brad is because a great thing for Bryson.
39:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that his development with Teterrow McMillan continues Jalen Coker.
39:22
[SPEAKER_01]: He loves Jalen Coker.
39:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's got doing before like you have to say that as a Panthers man,
39:27
[SPEAKER_01]: that I have to like sell it almost.
39:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
39:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, is that like yeah, because I mean, you saying I believe like I don't know if I believe I don't disbelieve.
39:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's running to really.
39:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you, do you feel obligated a little?
39:43
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I just don't know.
39:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's planning my flag so that there's not confusion, just for me personally, right?
39:50
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think you talk to Jacksonville Jaguar's fans.
39:52
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a, there's a baby of Jacksonville Jaguar fans that don't believe in Trevor Lawrence, but there are a lot of care a lot of paint the fans that would give up three-fourths of this roster to get Trevor Lawrence here.
40:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Did he, he's on the fucking show!
40:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, this isn't, this isn't secluded or isolated to strictly care a lot of Panthers.
40:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it gets really sensationalized because Bryce Young is small, and because there are preconceived notions about Bryce Young for when he came out.
40:19
[SPEAKER_01]: People did or didn't like him.
40:20
[SPEAKER_01]: He failed pretty drastically as a rookie, and that is with a ton of context.
40:26
[SPEAKER_01]: But that rookie season, I think, is the one that still is at the forefront of a lot of people's minds.
40:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you take much from the sophomore and third season and actually say that you don't see development.
40:35
[SPEAKER_01]: There is true development from statistical points, from game film points, what are any kind of metric?
40:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Any kind of efficiency metric?
40:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
40:45
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not being a dick.
40:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
40:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
40:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
40:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to know like what it was because I wish it was nice as more that he's been up and down.
40:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, he's never Take it.
40:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to say I need him to take over a game.
41:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't need the best taken over a game.
41:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I think what I don't even need that.
41:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the one thing he did last year And started to do the year before was is that the turnovers went down
41:12
[SPEAKER_03]: right as like to me.
41:14
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the one thing I saw.
41:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, I'm leaning.
41:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm asking these questions not as trying to poke.
41:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I am not.
41:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not poking.
41:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to know because I don't do the draft guides.
41:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't do that.
41:29
[SPEAKER_03]: But I have, I'm an artist football guy.
41:32
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was looking
41:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I guess Alabama just got my algorithm.
41:41
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm looking at these tweets from when Bryce was at Alabama making what was the reason you drafted him.
41:51
[SPEAKER_03]: But one thing that stuck out to me is he dropped back like seven yards in this pocket.
41:58
[SPEAKER_03]: And this pocket was so clean, clean.
42:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, and I just, and I, and this is the only thing is, I don't, I don't need them to have the greatest arm strength.
42:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I know he does it, like I know he just doesn't, but like he can make a deep throat.
42:12
[SPEAKER_03]: He can do this.
42:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
42:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he's not going to roll over mugs and do this.
42:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't need all of that.
42:19
[SPEAKER_03]: But I just with Ricky.
42:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just being honest.
42:22
[SPEAKER_03]: What I saw on those two clips and it's such a small sample set.
42:26
[SPEAKER_03]: So I know it's not real science.
42:29
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was like damn he did this.
42:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's like, oh,
42:33
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, this is why we're drafting.
42:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, man, there's nobody fucking around him and that is not going to happen in the NFL on the day-to-day basis.
42:41
[SPEAKER_03]: So tell me those metrics where you really have seen the success of going up.
42:47
[SPEAKER_03]: And to me, the one I point to is the turnovers have gone down.
42:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
42:52
[SPEAKER_01]: The turnover to touchdown ratio, right, has as increased in an exponential way was a 26 touchdowns, 10 touchdowns or 10 interceptions last season.
43:00
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you need, right?
43:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's you got to have that type of thing.
43:04
[SPEAKER_01]: The run game for him also became a little bit more of a
43:08
[SPEAKER_01]: second nature for him.
43:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that it was something where he was doing it only out of bare necessity.
43:13
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a creator.
43:14
[SPEAKER_01]: He's an extender of plays.
43:15
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that you saw him even take opportunities where maybe he could have sat there and continued his full field read.
43:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And instead he took an avenue and he ran.
43:22
[SPEAKER_01]: There's still opportunity for him to grow in that.
43:24
[SPEAKER_01]: But if we're talking about just the measures, right?
43:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Just the statistical stuff.
43:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have my list of front of me.
43:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I did this for a show.
43:31
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
43:32
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was like, it was like completion.
43:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're good.
43:34
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like completion percentage.
43:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously yards passing.
43:37
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's because he played more games.
43:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yards per attempt.
43:41
[SPEAKER_01]: His deep passing efficiency.
43:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it was his EPA per play, per drop back, his success rate from an offense of standpoint.
43:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously you have the fourth quarter come back.
43:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
43:51
[SPEAKER_01]: The game.
43:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to drop it.
43:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to drop it.
43:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is.
43:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a statistic that I was one.
43:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't take that in a vacuum right by itself and say, that's why he's a good quarterback.
44:05
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's missing it correct.
44:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that this missing it as meaningful.
44:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's also a little bit funny, especially when we talk about guys like adjusted Herbert, Trevor Roberts, right?
44:15
[SPEAKER_01]: That everyone loves because they're big, strong and can layer every throw, but they can't win a game when the game is on the line.
44:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you can keep your team in the way, but all of those actual like passing metrics, right?
44:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And those are those are pretty standard metrics that you look at and say this is how people read if he's a good quarterback or not, there are still things that he is going to be in the bottom tier of the league.
44:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not making excuses for that.
44:34
[SPEAKER_01]: He has to get better in those ways, but if you look at CJ strout and those same exact because you always are going to compare CJ strout and Bryce young, right?
44:42
[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at both of them and those same exact.
44:45
[SPEAKER_01]: those same exact departments C.J.
44:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Stroud has gone the opposite direction where Bryce Young has gone up.
44:51
[SPEAKER_01]: His trajectory is going north where C.J.
44:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Stroud is literally dropping down.
44:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is with all of the talent that you talk about with the Texans having the great defense.
44:59
[SPEAKER_01]: He had his offensive line woes, but if we're going to talk about the offensive line further, people, we have to acknowledge that we play 12 different offensive linemen last season.
45:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's still to statistic.
45:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, come to his first season.
45:13
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45:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Then went and got care of the Williams and DJ more and all these other players and Whether it's fair on fair, Bryce is always gonna be compared to his constituents You mentioned CJ Stra out CJ Stra has definitely been on the decline and no one can deny that
45:47
[SPEAKER_00]: But I also think it's true to say that CJ Stroud has had higher highs in his career than Bryce Dome did in that one year down there in Houston where I'm happy right here with this and it's not so much of a question.
46:01
[SPEAKER_00]: This is providing the alternate to what you're just saying.
46:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a Carolina Panthers fan.
46:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know you're on Twitter and I know you know the narrative around me on Twitter.
46:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a Brysionator.
46:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I am someone who wants to see it before I'm going to come up here and say that Brysion is the future at the 40 bank position for the Carolina Panthers.
46:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that there are some things that he does well and then I think there are some things that for him being the number one overall pick that you treated up to draft.
46:31
[SPEAKER_00]: There are some things that he does dramatically below par that we were told that he was going to be this incredible reader of the field and all these different things.
46:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just see him miss layups.
46:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not going to plant my flag for Bryce.
46:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying, I want Bryce to make me plant that flag.
46:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like I feel like you've been on fair.
46:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you've mentioned some of the things that Bryce definitely does need to get better at.
47:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that where there is a split in Carolina Panthers fans are the ones that believe that Bryce is the future.
47:11
[SPEAKER_00]: That's our guy, I'm a Panthers fan.
47:13
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna go to war for this dude, no matter what, then you have another subsection of Panther fans that are like,
47:20
[SPEAKER_00]: for the amount that we paid and where we're still at and the amount of excuses that tend to get made for him.
47:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just not going to say that this guy is my guy until I see him have performances like it does against the Falcons against more teams than just the Falcons.
47:39
[SPEAKER_02]: In the Rams.
47:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is really just man and it's incremental steps forward.
47:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
47:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's small like we're look like looking at incremental steps forward.
47:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking I'm just worried about I'm not worried, but I'm with Cody on this is I can't walk into a game with my chest out.
48:12
[SPEAKER_03]: pricey on to take this developmental step.
48:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I want it just walk around.
48:16
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I do want it up.
48:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, do it.
48:18
[SPEAKER_03]: But you know what, I'm not going to put fucking money on it.
48:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, oh, I'm not back on the pants anyway.
48:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm back for staying for a long enough.
48:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I might be up here.
48:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
48:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Whether he's not here or he is here or not.
48:32
[SPEAKER_03]: But if he doesn't take a significant step forward, I guess, Ricky is what we're asking or when I'm asking.
48:40
[SPEAKER_03]: or not even the significant is like is what does this season look like if Bryce young doesn't go beyond a 200 yard pass or each week.
48:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't go and I'm we're not talking 300 yards.
48:55
[SPEAKER_03]: So here's it in there.
48:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to help out because right now Reggie I need to understand I'm on your side here.
49:02
[SPEAKER_02]: He's never been more clear that every single year Bryson has taken a pretty massive step forward in his development.
49:09
[SPEAKER_02]: You may feel like it's incremental, but we look at year one, year one was horrendous.
49:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Like probably one of the worst rookie campaigns of a quarterback taken in the first round that we can remember in a long time.
49:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
49:24
[SPEAKER_02]: the second year he came from being benched and then played himself into the conversation of okay, maybe he is able to be a starting quarterback in the NFL.
49:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Then we go into here three and Bryce Young has got Carolina Reaper and he is the guy you wanted the quarterback position when it comes to the fourth quarter.
49:44
[SPEAKER_02]: You may think those are overblown stats, but in meet my opinion, I hear, I see the progress that, yes, to Ricky's point, everybody's point, there are things
49:55
[SPEAKER_02]: But to believe that he hasn't taken master steps forward, that is just not true.
50:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Like every single year, it has been a massive, it has been noticeably different.
50:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Not incrementally, it has been noticeably statistically better.
50:08
[SPEAKER_02]: And every cat category you can ask about.
50:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And to assume that that's not, that's only incremental is just not looking at the actual factual data.
50:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and and C. K. I appreciate all that.
50:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I I agree with that.
50:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's great context to add into it.
50:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the other part, Cody, and I wanted to ask you this because you said, you're like, we were told that he's such a smart field reader and that he does such a good job processing.
50:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you not think that he processes and reads a full field well, because I don't think he does or does it.
50:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think that depends adequately.
50:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that it depends from game to game.
50:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen him make a brilliant throw and make the right read.
50:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen him throw into double in triple coverage.
50:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And to me, it's kind of the arm talent thing.
50:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that sometimes, so nobody wants to go with the ball, but he just doesn't put the ball right on the receiver.
51:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And they don't have to make an adjustment to the ball, which will, anyway, it could have been a more yards after the catch play.
51:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but no, just being honest, I don't feel like Bryce is some, you know, Matt to the staffer level, Drew Breeze, Reader or Peyton Manning like I don't feel like is I have not seen Ricky and this is not me and being a dick.
51:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not trying to be a dick as I don't think he's dumb.
51:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that at all.
51:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's smart.
51:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like, but I don't know is look is he doesn't have physical attributes that can overcome scenarios like Cam good, right?
51:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Like could do sure that could get away with it things, right?
51:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we've seen players that are so physically gifted that they throw a late ball, but they can zip it in there.
51:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I just haven't seen him be able to
51:52
[SPEAKER_03]: on a consistent level overcome the, not deficiencies.
51:59
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not the challenge is limited.
52:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, limitations to where it's like, oh, where I understand the game so much better.
52:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I need Bryce y'all into work this what I need I need to work if he does not work We are stepping back.
52:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I want him to work.
52:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I just I just don't look at him and go all the sudden he's who is a stockton
52:29
[SPEAKER_03]: the point guard.
52:30
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
52:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm like, it's like, I mean, I hope he's going to be that.
52:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I want him.
52:35
[SPEAKER_03]: And I like that you're saying, I'm playing my flag.
52:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not playing my flag in despair.
52:42
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not necessarily saying.
52:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this, if the Panthers win eight games and they win eight games because their defense is really strong.
52:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Other players did something.
52:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I think this conversation continues to exist.
52:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I think one of the, you know, all kind of like in my stance on the Brysion thing here because and I asked about the fulfilled reading and like his processing ability because when I'm sitting down and I've had people smarter than me sit down and talk me through the concept, talk me through plays, talk me through responsibilities for each individual concept and, you know, design and where these wide receivers supposed to be when they're supposed to be.
53:21
[SPEAKER_01]: When we talk about physical limitations, it's part of why Brysion's superpower for lack of better words.
53:27
[SPEAKER_01]: It's
53:28
[SPEAKER_01]: anticipation as a thrower, right?
53:30
[SPEAKER_01]: He is an anticipatory thrower, which is very timing-based.
53:33
[SPEAKER_01]: He can throw the ball exactly where the ball is supposed to be, but if the receiver even takes a extra step off the release, or if he gets jammed up ahead.
53:42
[SPEAKER_01]: If he, Bryce Young can make the right read.
53:44
[SPEAKER_01]: and it turned into an interception.
53:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not always, I'm not saying that it's never, but it's not always because Bryce Young doesn't have arm talent that that ball is intercepted.
53:53
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times it's because the concept or rest of those moving pieces within the structure of that concept did not execute the way they're supposed to execute.
54:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not giving him a pass on that, but I think that it's really important
54:05
[SPEAKER_01]: not to sit here and say that just because, well, Bryce can't miss make up for, you know, a late, late read or whatever, and try to whiz it into a small window.
54:13
[SPEAKER_01]: That's absolutely fair.
54:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's not, and you're not going to see him try to do that very often for what it's worth.
54:17
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can pull up like five or six instances of him trying to FU throw a bullet into a space, I don't know, I would be pretty shocked.
54:25
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and I would be shocked because he can't do that.
54:28
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a self-aware quarterback, and he knows what he can't he can't do to CK's point about that rookie season.
54:34
[SPEAKER_01]: The things that I was most concerned coming out of that rookie season and after the Benching of those two games is that I thought he was shell-shocked and I thought that his mental process had become foggy.
54:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt that he looked like he was not confident and that he was having a really hard time actually seeing the game and playing confidently to what he was able to do.
54:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if it was because he was afraid of having bad results, right?
54:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he had been coached really hard first of all to not make mistakes while also handing him a CVS receipt of things that
55:02
[SPEAKER_01]: for because the rest of the offense was lackluster.
55:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that what I saw last season was a huge step forward in that department.
55:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw him take more chances.
55:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw him give better looks.
55:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw him identifying pre-snap at the line what defenses were doing.
55:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's calibrating.
55:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, this is a big part of being a master at a position.
55:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Is calibrating what NFL defenses, what coordinators were going to throw at you, get familiar with the looks, get familiar with the disguises.
55:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that his Rolex is pretty well built at this point, and I have seen him take advantage of that in ways last season that I did not see him doing.
55:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're talking about film where we're not talking about analytics instead.
55:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't give you a numbers to back that up.
55:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you for my eye test when you said, you know, you got it.
55:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You're an eye test.
55:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
55:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do.
55:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And it takes me a long time to go through and actually form a full opinion on something.
55:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I came away pretty encouraged by Bryce Young.
55:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to say one more time.
55:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to say one more time.
55:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that you're worried that that perfectly understand what you're saying, that price, what he is really good at, is being on time and anticipating the thought.
56:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is a really good trait.
56:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that as it continues to grow, the Panthers have done a good job of building all fence around him that will help him with just those things and getting those wide receivers that you can trust in those moments.
56:25
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why I get pushback is because if that's your super power as our franchise quarterback,
56:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see a whole lot of difference between Bryce Young and what Teddy Bridgewater was supposed to be.
56:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And we didn't pay the enormous amount for Teddy Bridgewater that we did for Bryce.
56:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you want, like this is kind of written to the lore of C3 at this point in time.
56:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony came to my house.
56:55
[SPEAKER_00]: He was going to the Rams game and he was sitting on my porch and I said to Tony, I'm like Tony.
57:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Do we have a chance at the time of 2016 or 2017 at the time?
57:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he told you replied to me, we have Cam Newton, so of course I feel like we have a chance.
57:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't think we were going to win, but I thought like we had a chance.
57:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if Bryce has gotten us to the point where it's like, man, we can have the worst team on the field.
57:24
[SPEAKER_00]: But because we have Bryce Dong, I feel like anything is possible.
57:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like that yet, and I feel like this is the deer where he has to earn that trust for people to believe in him in that kind of manner.
57:39
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just short back now, like I'll have that though.
57:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy that you asked that we like can we kind of go through that real quick This doesn't have to take a long I didn't judge Alan has that no, I mean this is a good question Yeah, no, I feel yeah, yeah, I think Josh Alan has it.
57:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the more Jackson has it.
58:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Patrick Mahomes has it Joe Burrow
58:05
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
58:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course, Matt to Stafford.
58:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Trevor Lawrence has that and also I think that's creptatable.
58:12
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a way to be able to do a lot of people that would debate Joe Burrow even.
58:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of people would debate Joe Burrow.
58:18
[SPEAKER_01]: To be honest, if you take Jamar Chase and T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T
58:28
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58:28
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58:29
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58:32
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58:33
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bryce Young has taken in your words to, and I'm paraphrasing him as taking considerable steps forward.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so what is this year's considerable step forward?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not talking about your, I'm not talking about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: To me, I like I think this can get too washed out in wins.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a way that Panthers can win nine games and Bryce young could be just poor okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm sure so I don't think that but like what is it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: To me, I've always said this and it's so weird because I'm the biggest Cam Newton fan in the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's it's hard to find somebody who is gay or for Cam Newton and me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I sharpen my Twitter sword for him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would go to war.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be sharpened a couple swords to keep Newton building clearly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's like, I mean, the crossing swords and everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, but the thing is, is that what I've said that Cam Newton was the most con for so many years on this podcast.
59:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, Cam Newton's the most controversial player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Panther history like is like he's you love him you hate him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a I used to refer to him as the Barack Obama I'm a big Barack Obama fan, by the way, too, but put Donald Trump in this is like is that like there's this either or camp
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't think we would have a more controversial player in the history of the world and it was like this guy who is the most clean cut smartest this this is like all of a sudden bright shines like hold my beer I'll be the most controversial like what is it I'm not going to say will end that discussion will be there till it's not and maybe that surrounds the starting quarterback position period.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But what is it that would make this conversation less about price young this season and to me I to me is like I'm just going to give you like my base is to 25 pass in yards.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, I'm not going to say no, but not really no sub 200 yard passing games and a positive touchdown to interception ratio.
1:01:07
[SPEAKER_03]: So like if if we come out if Bryson week one to 28 to touchdowns one interception week two to 48 to touchdowns one interception to a like, but there's been a lot of 161.
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[SPEAKER_03]: one seven like that's the thing what will make your when you say you plant your flag to you protect it there like what is that what do you envision that being
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and look, I want to make sure that we're all clear too that like, I think these are all good points and valid points on both sides of the argument.
1:01:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think that this discussion isn't a black and white easy discussion.
1:01:49
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a lot of nuance and context behind it.
1:01:52
[SPEAKER_01]: There are personal opinions, there are statistics, there are facts, and there are the way you decipher game film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because that's the other part of this man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: None of us are in the room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: None of us know what the cause are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: None of us know what the read is, what the route distribution for certain concepts and players and things like that.
1:02:11
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But for Bryson for me to get a better year, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And a year ago, we'll make you a better year that will make you feel comfortable to say, this guy should be our quarterback.
1:02:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're one year more.
1:02:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you all are correct about the lows can't be as low.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is something that I have appointed to as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There have to be answers, not just from Bryce, but from the offensive staff for things that are difficult.
1:02:34
[SPEAKER_01]: That is one of the things that I saw last season that was still extremely frustrating is that when the offense and Bryce young individually got punched in the mouth at times, they didn't have a response.
1:02:45
[SPEAKER_01]: They did not have a good counter punch.
1:02:46
[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of just kept getting hit in the face and they just ended up taking it until they were out cold and the game was out of reach, right?
1:02:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see a better answer to dilemmas.
1:02:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Dilemmers are going to happen in the NFL for every quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bad games happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When we try to get into these numbers though of per game,
1:03:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Understand the like the top five six quarterbacks probably average what 235 yards per game Last season if you take their totals and you break it down to 17 games is probably around 235 to 250 yards per game That was it
1:03:20
[SPEAKER_01]: If Bryce Young could average 215, 220 yards a game, you're going to talk about him being in the top 12, total yards in the air thrown for the lead.
1:03:30
[SPEAKER_01]: If he could tack on 300 yards rushing two or three touchdowns, but the main thing, completion percentage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: attacking downfield, which also goes into the offensive structure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's simply on Bryce Young to do that more.
1:03:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that the rest of the offense has to perform, but Bryce needs to be comfortable and confident in giving his guys one-on-one opportunities and taking those throws.
1:03:51
[SPEAKER_03]: It's got to be part of creating part of that, right?
1:03:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he can't just be waiting for everyone else to do their part.
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_01]: He needs to facilitate some of that confidence and be the driving factor for taking those chances.
1:04:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he can do that.
1:04:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe that I saw enough from him last season that I do 100% anticipate that being a new element that we see on a more consistent basis.
1:04:13
[SPEAKER_01]: but the lows cannot be as low they just can't and the turnovers cannot happen in critical moments they have to be a hey look he's playing within the structure of the office or he's trying to make something happen when there are no other options and that's where he's making these turnovers they cannot be laws a fair incorrect throws badball placement it's gonna happen every now and then but you just don't want to see three games in a row of Bryson putting you behind the eight ball
1:04:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, that might also be a little unfair for me just to throw that out there blankedly because I think that some of those really things happen.
1:04:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think some of those early things that have happened though aren't strictly on Bryce Young.
1:04:50
[SPEAKER_01]: So it makes it seem like I'm saying that all of those instances in the past were because Bryce failed.
1:04:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there were other elements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to y'all's point though, a great quarterback, and I don't think it's fair first of all.
1:05:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is why I asked about the how many facts are going to back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How many quarterbacks are like that, upper echelon.
1:05:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not fair to compare any quarterback to Cam Newton necessarily.
1:05:10
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, I need him to get to that level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cam Newton's 101.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a one of one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a path of homes.
1:05:14
[SPEAKER_01]: If we're talking about that, right?
1:05:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, these are all guys that are going to be wearing gold jackets.
1:05:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're going to be wearing gold jackets.
1:05:19
[SPEAKER_01]: But what we do need, Brasio cannot be this conversation anymore.
1:05:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we can all agree on that.
1:05:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to be Alex Smith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see consistency.
1:05:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see aggressiveness and I want to see raise the yards per attempt a little bit.
1:05:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's open the offense up a bit.
1:05:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I know we've melted your time, just your thoughts on the bears are coming to Carolina.
1:05:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to get involved in the storylines have been Johnson and all this stuff, but what do you think the Panthers are facing in week one?
1:05:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you face a really smart offensive coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you face a really talented quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you also face a defenses extremely vulnerable.
1:06:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that you can attack and exploit the secondary.
1:06:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that their past rushes underwhelming.
1:06:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that their run defense is going to be relatively susceptible to success from opponents.
1:06:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that Devon Bush is a really good addition for them.
1:06:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that will help their second level a lot.
1:06:19
[SPEAKER_01]: He had a good season last year in Cleveland.
1:06:21
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be interesting to see what he does in Chicago now.
1:06:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that this is an attackable defense.
1:06:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that their offense is really going to rely on is Roma Dunes a healthy is Luther burden healthy.
1:06:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Post in lovelin are healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he's not happy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Coast in lovelin is the thing that I think is going to really turn that offense for them.
1:06:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And that runs game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Andre Smith or the Andre Swift Kyle Manage, I want to see what those guys were able to do behind that offensive line.
1:06:50
[SPEAKER_01]: But hey, look, Caleb Williams, I think there was something they went out today on line on Twitter about his struggles against disguised defenses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Disguise looked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what we talked about with processing and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When they run a heavy play action, his back is turned to that defense and they rotate.
1:07:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And that back end is completely different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That coverage is completely different than what he identified.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pre-snap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's something that everyone does at a really high clip that we have a lot of success on.
1:07:11
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something that Caleb Williams struggles a lot.
1:07:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams is on the Madden cover.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams is being talked about his MVP.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He got a mustache now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He looks like he's in shape.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not painting his nails.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a lot of pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Social pressure, internal pressure, external pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For him to come out and do something tremendous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are favorite.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a heavy amount of bets that are going towards the Chicago Bears Ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Vegas doesn't lose all that often.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When there is a lot of pressure.
1:07:35
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of pressure.
1:07:37
[SPEAKER_01]: No, two and a half of our favorites, but they're getting like 90% of the money right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And usually when that kind of flow is happy, man, the wise guys will end up betting that later in the game or later in the week.
1:07:47
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think they honestly, this is a game that they can win.
1:07:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it will be a difficult game.
1:07:53
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that the early portion of this Panthers schedule is really set up for them to get a quick start where they have historically had very slow starts.
1:08:00
[SPEAKER_01]: But they get the Falcons a week too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, to a tag of our lowest
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of the still starting quarterback.
1:08:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you get the Detroit Lions without their two starting safeties and a Sunday night game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is an opportunity.
1:08:15
[SPEAKER_00]: This will be three and one going into Monday night, right?
1:08:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Two and two bare minimum.
1:08:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Two and two bare minimum, I think.
1:08:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, where's two bare minimum?
1:08:24
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[SPEAKER_03]: The line is three, Ricky, plus 134 if you pick the Panthers to win outright over under 47.
1:08:43
[SPEAKER_03]: If you were going to make a pick on my bookie using the promo code C3P, would you pick the bears at minus three, the Panthers at plus three,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Would you go for out right when on one of those or would you go over under at 47?
1:08:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
1:09:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, look, I'm not going to take the bears given three because I don't think that the bears win this game.
1:09:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I think that's my money, I wouldn't take the care a lot of pain.
1:09:10
[SPEAKER_01]: There's plus the money line.
1:09:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not the point of it.
1:09:12
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a win in this.
1:09:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I honestly do.
1:09:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think that the band is doing this for one more Sunday.
1:09:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I generally think they do.
1:09:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it's a relatively low scoring game.
1:09:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like a 24 to 20.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe take the under there as well.
1:09:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've maybe do a little parlay action, right?
1:09:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go make some money together, guys.
1:09:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And before I get out of here, we just talked about it.
1:09:34
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a home game.
1:09:37
[SPEAKER_01]: If I can't offer one piece of advice, come and win two tickets to the Panthers game on Panthers on Tap on Friday night on our show.
1:09:43
[SPEAKER_01]: We're giving way to tickets to the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So somebody come here and steal the game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And do this.
1:09:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Ricky, you've been so generous with your time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so glad we got to have you on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know you're busy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: this is your opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
1:09:56
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a thank you from us for hanging out with us, but we are rising tide lifts all boats.
1:10:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Tell Panther fans, when you're live, where they can check your videos out,
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[SPEAKER_03]: and how they can get those tickets.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will say this as someone who has given away tickets for the Panthers in Contest, just a piece of advice, the Panthers may email you and be like, you can't do contest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So what you do, the way to subterfuge it is, we with this contest gets you this and these tickets are included.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's smart.
1:10:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So don't win tickets coming coming win a couple of stickers.
1:10:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when I meet you on Sunday to give you your stickers, I might have an envelope with other stickers in them.
1:10:45
[SPEAKER_01]: How about that?
1:10:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I was a first year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We were the second year doing this podcast.
1:10:51
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm talking about like eight people watching us.
1:10:54
[SPEAKER_03]: And we did this thing submit a fan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like tell us why you're a fan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to give you these tickets.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to say this is that what you do is you say we're giving away a package of something and then I'm including this then I'm just a thing I'm just going to say I mean I don't know how they are this day, but I was like man we got 78 followers on the fucking YouTube and I'm getting a message from their lawyer.
1:11:29
[SPEAKER_01]: We're struggling to get fans in the building and you would find ways to stop that from happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a little backwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So tell them again, the channel, the times, and how they can win some stickers, where that might be an opportunity for them to win attend a game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe you're given away, maybe you should give away various tickets.
1:11:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just Chicago Bears tickets.
1:11:53
[SPEAKER_01]: If the Bears don't want me to do it, they're going to have to find me, right?
1:11:56
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, thank you guys for having me.
1:11:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're right, man, everyone's busy, though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We all have lives.
1:12:01
[SPEAKER_01]: We all have everything outside of these content creation gig that we get involved in.
1:12:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm appreciative that you guys enjoyed in conversating with me and enough to have me come in here and give my perspectives to my opinions.
1:12:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I am always open to different perspectives and having those conversations.
1:12:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's part of what makes being a fan fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you guys for having me on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you guys for allowing that conversation to happen.
1:12:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Panthers on top is typically going to be live every Wednesday night at 9pm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This week, the NFL, you know, they didn't consider us when they made their plans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they have the season kicking off on Wednesday night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we pivoted over to Friday night, which is going to be a lot of fun anyways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got no work in the morning on Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe have a couple extra liveations with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be giving away some stickers and some bears tickets apparently are in a package.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... lit up right there behind my head at ricky bow body five me on twitter that's where i do most of my stupidity so uh... c three c k c k c o d tony appreciate you guys man uh... and hope to be back at another point the season thank you back to you to check out panthers on tap to be live friday given away some stickers with the opportunity
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[SPEAKER_03]: of you also going to a football game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I hope I'm not over exaggerating, but it did happen to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I've just put it out there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for your time.
1:13:36
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys, Cody, let's go ahead and move into.
1:13:40
[SPEAKER_03]: We've got a power through.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've got calls to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what is
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I can't, I'm, I really believe this until it's not, it will be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and again, the Bryce's own chat is what people say we could do it, or that we do it too much, but that's what everybody wants to hear.