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Newstalk 1010: Jim Richards' The Rundown with Jon Liedtke and Stephen Murdoch - May 22, 2024 · Kvetch & Release

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You're listening to News Talk Tonight on the iHeartRadio Talk Network. Welcome everybody.
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I'm Richard Craus in for Jim. Richard's Jim. We'll be back in the
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hot seat tomorrow night, but I'm here with you right now and it is
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time for the Rundown. Rundown is where we bring in smart people to talk
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about the big stories of the day. Joining me today Stephen Murdoch, VP
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Enterprise Canada. They're a PR firm. And John Lidkey, radio and podcast
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host in Windsor, Ontario, business consultant and former cannabis entrepreneur. That sounds
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like a story right there. Welcome to News Talk Tonight. Thank you and
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John. Have you ever been to the Blind Owl in Windsor, Oh?
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I have too many times. Maybe can you say that it's such a lovely
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place, great craft cocktails. Yeah, yeah, I haven't been, but
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I was in Windsor a while ago and it was late and I got to
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the hotel really late. I walked past the place and I thought I have
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to go in here. It was too late to go in, But the
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next time I'm there, I will be at the blind Out. It looked
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like a lot of fun. Well, give me a call. I will
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Yeah, we'll go. We'll meet at the blind Out for charcoutery and cocktails.
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Let's start with this story about a law restricting the money that third parties
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could spend in the lead up to elections has been found unconstitutional. The Long
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Question added more onerous restrictions to the amount that third parties like unions and special
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interest groups are allowed to spend in the lead up to an election, and
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the Court of Appeals for Ontario has said, Nope, that is in constitutional
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or unconstitutional. So let's go back here a little bit and just go back
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to the root of all of this. I like the idea that third parties
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aren't allowed to spend unlimited amounts of money in the lead up to elections.
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I just think that it muddies the water. And I think that, you
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know, we don't need that many voices that can spend some, but not
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in the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars like they have. And Stephen
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Murdoch, what's your take. Well, I guess it depends on where you
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are on the political spectrum. I mean, if you're a conservative, obviously,
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look you follow the dollars. I mean a lot of these dollars are
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coming from union houses and we're talking tens of millions of dollars. So I
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agree with you. I think it can muddy the water. And I think
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it puts it in a position where you've got organizations of specifically unions, who
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have their own agendas and have big budgets and get to push with you know,
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how they feel, and it can make it difficult for the smaller organizations
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that don't have those kind of dollars to have any kind of influence on an
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election. Yeah. The Ontario Premier Doug Ford's government argued the extended restrictions on
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third party advertising were necessary to protect elections from outside in Lewens, but others
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have said, well, it amounts to the government trying to silence criticism,
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you know, ahead of the of an election. John, what do you
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think? You know, politics is a pendulum. We saw unlimited spending before
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and then it got tightened up in twenty fourteen. Then we see this coming
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in a bit more strongly, and it's you know, is it benefiting the
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PC Party? I think arguably, of course it looks like that. It
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probably is on face value, but it doesn't mean that the party is going
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to be in power forever, and the next party that comes in will of
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course have their own tweaks to it. So I have a hard time getting
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all hot and bothered about the inner workings of electoral laws as long as people
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are able to vote, as long as third parties still are able to spend
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their money. I mean, in this case, what they stretched it from
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six months where you could spend six hundred thy to twelve months. It's not
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like people's voices were silenced here because of it. But again it's pendulum politics.
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And at least some of that money will be spent on the radio advertising,
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and we always like to hear that. Yes, let's talk about critics
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who are calling on the Ford government to scrap the impaired driving rules. So,
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as part of an effort to relieve court backlogs, the Ford government put
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a pandemic era policy in place that allowed Crown prosecutors to downgrade impaired driving charges.
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You could enter a guilty plea under the Highway Traffic Act and the idea
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would be that you're not taking up court time and it would save money.
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And I suppose a lot of effort now mothers against drunk driving Mad estimates that
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thousands of drivers would have avoided a criminal record as a result of the policy.
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I mean, I get I think why this was put into place.
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The courts are backlogged. It's a mess over there. There is systemic problems
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that are probably going to take years to untangle within the court system. But
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I don't think that we can let people who were convicted or at least arrested
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for drunk driving off that easily. What do you think, Stephen, Yeah,
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I agree, I can't. I don't think we should be letting us
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people this easily. I can understand in the middle of the pandemic. And
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it's even difficult for me to say I understand because the severity of the crime.
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But at the end of the day, courts are backlogged. But you
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know, as we I don't think we're ever going to get to a point
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where court courts aren't backlogged. And I think we have to as a collectives,
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as a community, say, you know, we don't want this.
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We don't want thousands of people avoiding criminal records, especially if they decided to
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get behind the wheel drunk. So it makes me a little bit nervous that
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they're you know, Matt is saying that that many people we continue. I
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think it was a sixteen percent increase in BUI charges year over years, So
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something needs to be figured out. I think they need to revoke the policy
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and ar people accordingly, or at least bring them to bring them to justice.
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Over ten thousand impaired driving charges were laid by the opp this year alone,
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according to Carrie Schmidt, who is an Ontario Police sergeant, John what's
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your take? Call it you take that in any direction that you like,
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you know, in Windsor Essex, our local mad outfit commended this and said
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they were very happy to see this because it would impose that lifetime licensed suspension
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on any convicted impaired drivers who cause death. But our local outfit also said
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that they have always supported lifetime suspensions for that, but also a pathway for
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drivers to get back to legal safe driving with ignition interlock. So I think,
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you know, somewhere between the two of those is a sensible measure.
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I don't like the idea of people getting off without you know, repercussions or
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punishments, but I do understand that just like our healthcare system, our court
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system is going through a triage right now and absent you know, immense investments
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that I don't think any government is going to be doing. This does seem
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to be the likely way forward for the next little bit. So governments,
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unfortunately, you're going to have to be creative. Mark Mendelssohn, newstak ten
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Tens crime specialist, was here earlier today and he said, don't downplay d
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wise as a fix to the backlog, you know, and then when you
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minimize sort of the you know, the egregiousness of drinking and driving by turning
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it into an HDA offense and letting people walk without a criminal record, I
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say, fix the system. Then, get more clerks, get more resources
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in the courts, get more provincial judges, get more provincial assistant Crown attorneys,
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if need be, to make the system work. And you know you
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mentioned spexual assault. We have heard a lot of cases in the last little
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while where sex assaults have been kicked out because of the time limits and because
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lack of resources. And that's a provincial matter when it comes to the provincial
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court, not superior court, but provincial fix it. The higher the people
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make the system work and streamline it. Earlier this week when I was in
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we were talking about a case of sexual assault that had been bounced out of
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court because it was taking too long and it was deemed unfair to the person
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who had been arrested and charged. And I said to a panel of lawyers,
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well, let's just get more judges. How hard can that be?
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And apparently it's really hard to get qualified people who want to be judges.
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But Stephen, something has to be done in terms of this backlog. Something
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has to be done. I mean, we're seeing it in the medical community
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with the shortage of doctors and nurses. Smart people are getting in a room
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and figuring out how we fix the backlog. Is it going to take time?
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One hundred percent. I'm not one of those smart people, and so
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I know that. So let's get smart people in the room in the legal
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world and say, you know, what can we be doing now to address
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this issue? Is it? Does it mean putting a band aid on which
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none of us want for a year too, so be it. But collectively
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they need to be telling us what they're doing and communicating that to the public,
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saying, hey, we recognize there's an issue here. We need more
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judges and this is what we're going to do to make sure more judges are
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in place in two three four years. You are listening to the Rundown on
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News Talk Tonight. My guests are Stephen Murdoch, whose voice you just heard,
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VP of Enterprise Canada PR Firm, and John Lidkey radio and podcast host
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and blind Owl Obitue from Windsor, Ontario, business consultant and former cannabis entrepreneur.
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When we come back, we're going to talk about hidden tip options.
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Does it drive you crazy? Well, it's driving a lot of people on
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Reddit crazy, So we'll get to that with the Rundown when we continue.
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You're listening to News Talk Tonight. I'm Richard Kraus and for Jim Richard,
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stay with me botsmore to come. News Talk Tonight continues on the iHeartRadio Talk
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Network. I'm Richard Krause sitting in for Jim Richards. Jim will be back
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tomorrow with his usual mix of vocabular jazz and outrageous opinions. But for the
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time being, I'm in the big chair and I just wanted to put a
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button on the last story that we talked about here, the impaired driving rule.
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So as we talked about with my panel members that the Ford government is
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facing calls to rescind a pandemic era policy that allows Crown prosecutors to downgrade impaired
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driving charges as part of an effort to relieve court backlogs. So this came
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in during the height of COVID nineteen and that it allowed them to withdraw certain
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impaired driving charges in exchange for a guilty plea under the Highway Traffic Act and
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relief some of the tension and some of the just problems that we're having with
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an overstuffed justice system. So we've got a number of opinions on this,
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but we also have a bit of audio here from earlier in the day when
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Jeff Hirstberg, a criminal lawyer, was weighing in on the system and how
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the system is not able to handle every single charge that comes through. Obviously,
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it would be great to have more judges and court staff in the Superior
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Court and the Ontario Court of Justice. That's the responsibility of both the federal
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and provincial governments. If every charge is set down for trial, the system
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will collapse, regardless of how many judges we have. Crowns need to divert
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more cases that are not serious, even low number impaired charges for first time
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offenders. If they do not do this, then we will see very serious
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charges not get reached and end up never going to trial due to unreasonable delay.
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That was Jeff Hirschberg An He's sort of echoing something that I've been saying,
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like, we have to fix what's happening here. We need more judges,
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we need more time available in the courts. But it seems like an
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almost insurmountable problem, or at least that's the way it's being presented right now.
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The rundown is what's happening right now though. On News Talk Tonight,
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Stephen Murdoch, VP of Enterprise Canada PR Firm, joins me. Also John
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lid Key, radio and podcast host in Windsor, Ontario. What's the name
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of your podcast? John Betch with John Lydkey. There you go, and
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you can find that, I'm sure at all the usual places everywhere you get
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your podcast. That's right. He is also a business consultant and former cannabis
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entrepreneur. So there is outrage on Reddit. When isn't there outrage on Reddit?
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But there's particular outrage at about a Canadian restaurant that forces tipping by hiding
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the no tip option. So the story is someone goes into a restaurant and
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they don't name the restaurant, they don't out them, but it sounds like
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it's kind of a fast, casual sort of place. You go up to
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a counter, you order your food, you wait a couple of minutes,
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they ring a bell, you go up and pick it up. Then you
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have to pay for it. You pay with the debit card or whatever that
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you have in your wallet. And it turns out that as you're going through
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all the buttons that you have to push, they've hidden the no tip option,
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and so everything that is left is you know, fifteen, twenty twenty
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five or maybe even twenty eight or thirty percent. And people on Reddit are
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displeased. So John, I'll start with you on this one. Are we
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right to be upset that it seems like every time you go into any store
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if they're looking for tips here, or should we just be a little bit
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more you know, hard scrapple about hitting the no tip option when we can
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find it. Everybody in the province is making fifteen dollars an hour. There's
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no server's wage anymore. So that argument is set aside. But I think
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that if there is exceptional service, if you think that there is a need
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for providing a tip, there's nothing wrong with it. This story, how
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dare they? How dare they? I can't believe this. This is the
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most infuriating thing that I have come across. It's as a former business owner,
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this makes me angry. As a current customer, this makes me beyond
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angry. I can't There are words that I can't say on the air right
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now. The only thing that I can think of with this as well is
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there's one fast food place that I go to in my area and I try
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to tip every now and then when I'm in there, I'll try to tip
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on as a grellar as I can, but I can't sometimes because the employees
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refuse it and they say no, the owner takes the tips. They refuse
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to let us have it. So we just tell customers don't bother tipping.
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This whole tipping culture, everyone is confused about what there is to do.
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John, I want to I want a list of those restaurants and windsor where
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the owners are taking them. Well, it's not like I haven't heard that
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before that you know when because when I worked in bars, and it was
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a long time ago now, but when I worked in bars, most people
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paid in cash and so at the end of the night, you you had
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your cash, you did your cash, and there was always cash money left
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over. Now most people use debit or credit cards or whatever it might be.
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And so the management of the of the establishment will pay out once a
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week or you know, perhaps with your paycheck every couple of weeks, the
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amount of money that you're owed. But it makes it easier for them to
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take take a cut of it. And I've been hearing more stories about not
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just giving some to the kitchen staff. Absolutely do that to the bussers.
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Absolutely do that to the host yep. But the management, I think you
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have to draw the line there. Stephen, what do you are you as
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infuriated about this as John is. I'm infuriated infuriated. I don't know if
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I'm as angry as John is, but yeah, I mean, when you
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look at the format of this restaurant, it sounds like a bit of a
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self serve place. Right At no time did I see any wag staff.
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I paid the cash here, paid my meal, sat down, the chef
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brought out the meal listen at the end of the day. This is extremely
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bad pr the reddit person that originally didn't out the restaurant, but the people
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went and did their due diligence and actually meeting the restaurant in Burnaby. I
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mean, this is a lesson for other restauranteurs. So if you're if you're
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following this along, because let's be honest, there are probably other restauranteurs from
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coast to coast that were potentially thinking of doing the same thing, and I
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bet a lot of them are like, yeah, that's a bad idea.
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So it's a it's a lesson if you work in the food service industry.
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Don't don't make people angry because what it's going to do is it's actually going
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to essentially kill the business. The next door you're going to hear his owner
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crime that they're going to have to shutter because everybody was staying away from from
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from going to the restaurant. So yeah, this this is going to have
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big implications for them. Yeah. I'm annoyed by the dollar value tips that
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are popping up now more and more so instead of saying to win a tip
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fifteen twenty or thirty percent or whatever it might be. It'd be a dollar,
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two dollars, three dollars, and so forth, and it goes up
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to five or ten, fifteen dollars. And I bought a muffin and it
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was two twenty five or two fifty or something like that, and I tipped
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because I made my living off tips for a very long time. But I
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was like, Okay, well it's a dollar tip. Isn't that like ninety
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five percent of the cost of the thing that I just bought? You know,
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So that annoyed me. Grocery chains should face an extra at tax when
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profit's sore. That's what the MDP is saying. And I know that this
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is a headline and an idea that will appeal to a lot of Canadians.
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A lot of people are having, you know, trouble putting food on the
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table. They're feeling like their taxes are going up. They're feeling like money
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is scarcer that it's ever been. So why not ding these big corporations with
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another tax if they're making huge profits off the food at a time when you
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know people are going to food banks and that sort of thing. But I
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have to say, on the other side of this is where does it stop
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when a car company has a particularly good year, Well, do we dig
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them with an extra tax, because well, people have to get around and
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they've got to have cars to do that with. So I'm not on the
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side of this, John. What's your take? Do we get to put
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an excess profit tax on how much is fundraised by political parties? Oh?
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Interesting takes? Is that something that we could look at now? I think,
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come on, there's a lot of reasons why grocery stores are making more
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money right now. They've diversified their offerings, they have different in a lot
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of cases, they own the land that they're on, they lease it out.
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There's a variety of different reasons, and of course there's inflation and there's
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higher gas prices. But a hit for a reason, there's a reason why
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they call them the hits. This will always work amongst a group of people
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who are feeling it in their wallet. And no matter how much you try
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to convince someone that the grocery stores aren't the bad guy, there's going to
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be a lot of people who are going to go, yes, they are,
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because they're the ones that are charging me this price. So is it
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good politics for a certain segment of the populace. Absolutely for a lot of
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people, I think it's just like, what do you guys doing here?
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Come on, you're listening to the Rundown on News Talk Tonight. Steven Murdoch
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VP Enterprise Canada and John Lidke are my guests. When we come back,
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we're going to talk about some of the other big stories of the day.
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I am Richard Krouse, sitting in for Jim Richards in the big chair.
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Jim is back tomorrow. It's News Talk Tonight on the iHeartRadio Talk Network.
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Welcome back, everybody. I'm Richard Kraus in for Jim Richards, and you
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are listening to the Rundown with Steven Murdoch, VP Enterprise Canada and John Lidkey,
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radio and podcast host and Windsor, Ontario business consultant and former cannabis entrepreneur.
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Steven, we didn't get your take on this grocery chain extra tax that
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the new Democrats want to bring in. They've long sort of had this plan.
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They've thought it's a really great idea. But listen for me, I
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think that any resulting increase in tax is just going to filter down to even
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higher prices on the shelves. That's exactly what's going to happen. This is
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a complete joke. What our first first question is what are excess profits?
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I was told what I've read the grocery chains run out of a profit of
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around three point five percent, So what are we taxing? And you're right,
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if we go after them and put a tax on these grocery chains,
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inevitably they're just going to raise the prices more on groceries. And guess who's
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going to pay you, Me and John. So yeah, at the end
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of the day, putting more more taxes is going to put more taxes.
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Are not going to bring food prices down. This is far from the right
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answer, John. Almost two thirds of Canadians feel that inflation at the grocery
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store is getting worse. That's according to a new poll. But food inflation
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apparently has steadily been cooling. When you go to the grocery store. Have
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you noticed a difference over two months ago, three months ago, because we
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were sort of at the height of the time of the fifteen dollars pine apple,
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then have you noticed a difference. Prices are coming down, not as
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quickly as I think people would like to see, not as consistently. Sometimes
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they go back up and fluctuate, but yeah, they're generally coming down.
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But what I've also been noticing is that supply is starting to become more consistent.
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There's been a lot of items that haven't been available at least I can
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speak down here and winsor essex. But and that's going back from you know,
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when the pandemic hit and now just still getting back into the full swing
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of things. So I understand that people are still upset by the prices.
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And this is this is the problem. When you start having economic conversations about
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cost of living. We can talk about how it's coming down, but if
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people are still having to spend more money at the grocery store and it's still
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hurting them, they don't care if it's down a half point, a full
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point, any point, because it still hurts. Yeah, if you go
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in any social media account, scroll more than two or three swipes, and
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you'll see someone who's taking a picture of four chicken breasts for forty seven dollars,
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or you know, a bunch of broccoli that costs way too much money.
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So it's still the perception is there that it's still really really expensive,
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and it is food's very expensive, but the perception is that it's the same,
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even though it does seemed to have come down in my estimation anyway,
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it seems to have come down a little bit. Stephen. You know,
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it's funny. I do a lot of the grocery shopping and I have not
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seen that. Maybe I'm not looking at the right products, but for the
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most part, well, when you just like caviare yeah, yeah, you
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don't feel the pain that. No, honestly, I haven't seen. I
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haven't seen that much, you know that. Being said, I did go
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over to the States a couple of weeks ago to do some shopping and I
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stopped in at Walmart USA, and I can tell you I was blown away
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by how expensive things were south of the border. A bag of chips were
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five dollars at Walmart USA. You had the twenty five percent on per Canadian
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dollar and we're looking at a seven dollars baggage chips. I'm like, yeah,
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that's absolute insanity. So, you know, I like to say it's
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not just a Canadian thing, not that it makes it easier for people,
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but for the most part, no, I don't. I wouldn't say I've
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seen I've seen much much of a difference. Poverty and food insecurity have worsened
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in most of Canada in the past year. I don't think that's any big
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surprise. Most federal or most provincial governments aren't doing enough to address the problem.
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That's according to a just released series of report cards, and Ontario did
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not do great. We've got a D minus for insufficient approach to poverty reduction.
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John, I'm not sure exactly what can be done. I think that
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poverty reduction has to be sort of a more of a grass roots thing,
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even though systemically it feels like it should be a coordinated plan between the federal,
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provincial, and municipal governments. But for some reason, I think it
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seems to be more effective when it's small, it's grassroots, and it's in
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the community itself. But I think something needs to be done overall. Trouble
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is, I don't know what it is. Yeah, listen, don't ask
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me for a fullsome answer from a authoritative place, but yeah, the whole
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of community effort is absolutely what's necessary. You need to get all service providers
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on board, all levels of government on board, and religious institutions on board.
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Because we have to recognize that we're all in a community together and we
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all have a role to play here. I think we've just lost John Steven.
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I'll throw this back over to you. I'll let you take it any
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way you want. What should we be thinking of right now? What should
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we be doing to make sure that one fourth of Canadians don't feel food insecurity.
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It's a difficult question to answer. I think as Canadians we like to
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think that there are policy instruments in place that can address this, but I
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agree I really, at the end of the day, it comes down to
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the grassroots and regional things that we can do in our own community, and
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whether that's helping out for profits, donating our time, donating food, that
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grassroots stuff really makes a big difference. I know where I call Niagara home.
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I'm in Saint Catharines and we have a lot of wonderful not for profiting
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food banks and groups that really come together and rally and it makes big change.
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Right the dollars come in from local corporations and it really has to be
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a grassroots effort in communities across across the country until we can figure out how
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we can use policy instruments to make things better. We've got a quick sound
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by here from Christian Beardsley, the CEO of Food Bank Canada. Behind all
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of these numbers are real people, and real folks who are struggling to make
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ends meet like never before, families with jobs that should be able to afford
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food to put on their table. And I think that's just the thing that
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we have to keep in mind. Whether you have to rely on a food
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bank or not, know that probably somebody in your neighborhood does. I don't
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know if we have John back or not, but Steven, hi, John,
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we lost you for a second. With ten thousand or ten thousand or
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providers offering healthcare to two million seniors, the Health Minister has defended the dental
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plan. Listen. I'm very happy that seniors are able to access cheap dental
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plans. I don't think we have enough dentists on board yet here, but
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the numbers don't seem to be adding up though. Ten thousand providers, two
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million seniors. Do you think John, that we'll see more and more dentists
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sign on to this or do you think that we've kind of hit a glass
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ceiling with us already? Oh, I'm sure that more dentists will sign on
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eventually. You know, it's a slow rollout, but it looks they're seeing
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a lot of people signing up for the demand is there, and quite frankly,
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we know that the need is there as well. People are going to,
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you know, try to go and knock this one down, But I
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say, let it roll itself out and if it doesn't work after a certain
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amount of time, then reassess it. But it's barely been in place,
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and I don't think it's time to be having these conversations yet. I also
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think that even and we've just got forty seconds left, Stephen, but I
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think even if it gets rescinded tomorrow, which is not going to be,
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at least it helped a lot of people in the short term. I hope
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it doesn't get riscined. It's been a very important program and it has helped
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a lot of people across the country who maybe aren in a financial position to
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do so. At the end of the day, it's going to fall on
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the government to continue to get buy in from the Stanteal association from coast to
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coast. That was the rundown with Steven Murdoch, VP of the Enterprise Canada
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PR firm and John Lindkey, radio and podcast host in Windsor, Ontario.
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Thank you very much for stopping by. Thank you, Thanks, rich I
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appreciate your time. When we come back, lots more to come on News
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Talk tonight. I'm Richard Crusts. I'm sitting in for Jim Richards. He'll
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be back in the big chair tomorrow