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Owning Your Power at the Executive Table w/ Lisa Davis · Something Extra

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Lisa Davis: What are your core values?
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Lisa Davis: What are the foundation and principles that guide you?
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Lisa Davis: What are your guardrails?
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Lisa Davis: What lines won't you cross?
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Lisa Davis: And we see it time and time again with the pace and complexity of
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Lisa Davis: change that we're navigating, that leaders are under tremendous
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Lisa Davis: pressure, probably more pressure, than they've ever
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Lisa Davis: been before.
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Lisa Davis: And to me, that leadership because I always say
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Lisa Davis: AI might be the catalyst, but leadership is a differentiator.
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Lisa Davis: How will I become that leader in order to navigate my team,
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Lisa Davis: my organizations, and myself through this
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Lisa Davis: period of unprecedented change?
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Lisa Nichols: It takes something a little more to lead with impact.
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Lisa Nichols: I'm Lisa Nichols, author of Something Extra, and this podcast
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Lisa Nichols: From high stakes federal national security to driving multibillion dollar turnarounds
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Lisa Nichols: at Intel and Blue Shield of California, today's guest has broken barriers
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Lisa Nichols: at every level of executive leadership.
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Lisa Nichols: Joining us today is Lisa Davis, executive leadership expert,
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Lisa Nichols: keynote speaker, founder of Davis Core Advisory, award winning
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Lisa Nichols: CIO, CIO hall of famer, and best selling author of
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Lisa Nichols: The Only Woman in the Room, How to Win in a Workplace Still Built
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Lisa Nichols: for Men.
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Lisa Nichols: Lisa Davis, welcome to the Something Extra podcast.
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Lisa Nichols: I am so excited to have you on the show today.
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Lisa Nichols: You and I connected, and I'm like, oh my goodness.
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Lisa Nichols: I just I cannot wait for our listeners to learn from you.
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Lisa Davis: Lisa, it's so yeah.
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Lisa Davis: Yeah.
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Lisa Davis: I've been looking forward to our conversation as well.
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Lisa Davis: Certainly, after we finally connected I don't know what took us so long to
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Lisa Davis: finally bring our universe and our paths together, but I'm so glad
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Lisa Davis: to be doing this with you today.
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Lisa Davis: Thank you for having me.
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Lisa Nichols: Absolutely.
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Lisa Nichols: And I immediately liked you because you got a great name.
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Lisa Davis: That's right.
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Lisa Davis: We have great names.
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Lisa Nichols: We do.
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Lisa Nichols: We have great names.
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Lisa Nichols: I always love to give a a shout out of how I meet my
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Lisa Nichols: guest, Annalisa.
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Lisa Nichols: And you and I have a mutual friend, dear friend, Dan Turchin.
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Lisa Davis: Yes.
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Lisa Nichols: And he's like, you two Lisas need to know each other.
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Lisa Nichols: Right?
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Lisa Davis: That's right.
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Lisa Nichols: So shout out to Dan.
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Lisa Nichols: Dan is the CEO for People Rain and just as a just a tremendous,
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Lisa Nichols: tremendous, person.
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Lisa Nichols: But, you know, you you have been, like really, I was, like,
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Lisa Nichols: looking at your your CV, your resume.
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Lisa Nichols: Lisa, wow.
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Lisa Nichols: What a ride.
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Lisa Nichols: You have been
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Lisa Davis: a ride.
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Lisa Nichols: What a ride.
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Lisa Nichols: I mean, you have been at some of the most iconic
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Lisa Nichols: companies and organizations and have done a lot.
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Lisa Nichols: I mean, you I think how many years did you spend in the DOD?
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Lisa Davis: I had a full career in DOD, twenty six years.
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Lisa Davis: Crazy story.
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Lisa Davis: Started as a GS two.
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Lisa Davis: If you know anything about the government pay, you know,
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Lisa Davis: grade scale.
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Lisa Davis: So right out of senior in high school,
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Lisa Davis: started as a g g, GS two.
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Lisa Davis: They were recruiting engineers to the government.
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Lisa Davis: I was a computer engineering undergrad and wound up having a
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Lisa Davis: full career of twenty six years and retiring as a senior executive service member,
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Lisa Davis: which is equivalent, for those that don't understand, more to an admiral or
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Lisa Davis: general in military terms.
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Lisa Davis: So I made the whole journey, Lisa, on that pay
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Lisa Davis: grade scale from the bottom to the very top.
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Lisa Nichols: Very top.
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Lisa Nichols: That's amazing.
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Lisa Nichols: Wow.
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Lisa Nichols: And I know that you spent some time in the DOJ too, the Department
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Lisa Nichols: of Justice.
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Lisa Davis: My last role as the CIO for the US Marshals Service, a a fantastic
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Lisa Davis: role, incredible men and women and the mission
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Lisa Davis: of the US Marshals Service.
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Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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Lisa Nichols: You know a thing or two about being a CIO.
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Lisa Nichols: And then you went on into the the public sector
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Lisa Nichols: or the private sector and Blue Cross.
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Lisa Nichols: I think you were at Blue Cross for a while.
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Lisa Nichols: You had Yeah.
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Lisa Nichols: Time in the.
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Lisa Davis: Made that journey.
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Lisa Davis: It's hard to transition out of government after being a government civilian, and there's
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Lisa Davis: usually, you know, the typical track is the defense contractor.
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Lisa Davis: Mhmm.
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Lisa Davis: Really wanted to get to high-tech.
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Lisa Davis: That's where I had always wanted to be as when I started out as
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Lisa Davis: a engineering undergrad.
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Lisa Davis: And transitioned purposely to be the CIO at Georgetown
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Lisa Davis: University.
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Lisa Davis: Another fascinating experience, three years there, before finally
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Lisa Davis: making it to where I wanted to be, which was in high-tech, and
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Lisa Davis: had the opportunity to be at Intel for over five years, both
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Lisa Davis: on the IT side and then running a multibillion dollar p and l
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Lisa Davis: for their largest business group, data center group.
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Lisa Davis: And as you already called out, in that experience at Intel, which
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Lisa Davis: was a global business,
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Lisa Davis: multisector,
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Lisa Davis: recognizing that health care was really the digital laggard
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Lisa Davis: in terms of digital transformation.
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Lisa Davis: When Blue Shield of California was looking for a CIO, I thought it was
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Lisa Davis: an incredible opportunity for me to drive transformation and
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Lisa Davis: impact in health care.
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Lisa Davis: So I spent five years at Blue Shield of California as their CIO.
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Lisa Nichols: Right.
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Lisa Nichols: And you are so right.
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Lisa Nichols: They are a a little bit behind.
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Lisa Nichols: Right?
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Lisa Davis: A little behind.
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Lisa Davis: It's maybe catching up a little bit.
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Lisa Davis: Still working on it.
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Lisa Nichols: Still working on it.
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Lisa Nichols: I know.
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Lisa Nichols: Our team is doing the same thing.
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Lisa Nichols: Well, I just it what a journey.
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Lisa Nichols: And now you jumped onto the entrepreneurial wagon, and
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Lisa Nichols: you're you're, you know, you're the CEO of your own company, which is Right.
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Lisa Nichols: I mean, you've really just gone full full spectrum.
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Lisa Nichols: But I wanna talk a little bit about this.
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Lisa Nichols: Your your book is titled The Only Woman in the Room,
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Lisa Nichols: and I love the subtitle, How to Win in a Workplace That Is Still
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Lisa Nichols: Built for Men.
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Lisa Nichols: You know, was there a defining moment for you, Lisa, when you realized
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Lisa Nichols: that phrase would become the story that you needed to tell?
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Lisa Davis: You know, I was the only woman in the room being a technology executive
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Lisa Davis: and certainly starting my career, the first twenty years of my career in the
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Lisa Davis: Department of Defense,
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Lisa Davis: that it became a norm at how to operate.
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Lisa Davis: And it really shaped
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Lisa Davis: not only my leadership style, but also
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Lisa Davis: help me understand what it was going to take in order to build
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Lisa Davis: my confidence, subject matter expertise, finding my
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Lisa Davis: voice to speak in rooms when those rooms are predominantly,
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Lisa Davis: male military and civilian, right, people in
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Lisa Davis: those rooms.
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Lisa Davis: So it didn't really hit me, I don't think, Lisa, until
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Lisa Davis: you know, maybe I needed to be knocked over the head because it was
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Lisa Davis: the norm of how I operate it.
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Lisa Davis: Going to academia and then seeing again in
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Lisa Davis: in at Intel.
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Lisa Davis: And I call out a moment in the book where I'm an Intel
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Lisa Davis: executive.
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Lisa Davis: I have a meeting with JPMorgan,
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Lisa Davis: and I bring three three of my team members with me, all male,
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Lisa Davis: to the meeting.
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Lisa Davis: And I'm sat at the center of this huge, just huge
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Lisa Davis: conference table on the top floor of JPMorgan in New York City.
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Lisa Davis: And the JPMorgan team files in.
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Lisa Davis: There must have been twenty five, thirty of them.
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Lisa Davis: It was amazing to me.
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Lisa Davis: My first thought was, how many people does it take from JPMorgan
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Lisa Davis: to have this meeting with the four of us
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Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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Lisa Davis: From Intel.
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Lisa Davis: But they all file in.
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Lisa Davis: They're all male.
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Lisa Davis: They're all in the same darn blue suit, white shirt, same
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Lisa Davis: identical certainty, take their seat at the table.
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Lisa Davis: And I look around this table, and the the thought and I remember it
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Lisa Davis: like it was yesterday.
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Lisa Davis: I thought, my goodness.
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Lisa Davis: How is it possible at this point in my career
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Lisa Davis: as a c suite executive that I am still
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Lisa Davis: the only woman in this room?
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Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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Lisa Davis: It is not changing as fast as we needed to change.
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Lisa Davis: So the reason I wrote the book was and
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Lisa Davis: I think there's so much power in story sharing our
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Lisa Davis: stories because there's so many perceptions or
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Lisa Davis: you know, and and and we especially do this as women that, oh,
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Lisa Davis: she's got it all figured out.
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Lisa Davis: Oh, she must have had an easy ride.
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Lisa Davis: Oh, she was given the opportunity.
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Lisa Davis: And the reason I became so vulnerable in the storytelling,
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Lisa Davis: of what my journey was was for other women, diverse
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Lisa Davis: leaders, to see that, oh, no.
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Lisa Davis: She didn't have it easy.
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Lisa Davis: It took a lot in terms of grit and perseverance
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Lisa Davis: in pursuit of what her long term professional goals were.
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Lisa Davis: And I was hoping by sharing
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Lisa Davis: my journey, the setbacks, the learnings, the successes,
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Lisa Davis: the nine leadership principles that kinda guided my journey
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Lisa Davis: would help other women and diverse leaders make their journey
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Lisa Davis: easier.
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Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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Lisa Davis: So but the subtitle was really important, and I'm not sure people
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Lisa Davis: always get it.
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Lisa Davis: Yeah.
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Lisa Davis: Why I wrote this subtitle, especially when men pick up the book and see
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Lisa Davis: the book and the subtitle.
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Lisa Davis: And that's because our system and infrastructure at which we
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Lisa Davis: operate in was built after World War two to
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Lisa Davis: support the man going to work full time in the office
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Lisa Davis: and the women's woman staying home and and raising children and taking
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Lisa Davis: care of the family.
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Lisa Davis: And it is not the reality of what we live in today, where over
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Lisa Davis: sixty percent of women, work.
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Lisa Davis: Of that sixty percent, over a majority of those are primary breadwinners.
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Lisa Davis: Women sometimes choose to work.
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Lisa Davis: Many times they have to work.
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Lisa Nichols: Have to work.
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Lisa Nichols: Right.
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Lisa Davis: Right?
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Lisa Davis: And the systems and the
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Lisa Davis: infrastructure.
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Lisa Davis: We still don't have paid family leave.
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Lisa Davis: We still don't have,
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Lisa Davis: flexible remote work opportunities.
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Lisa Davis: We don't have affordable childcare in this country.
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Lisa Davis: So the journeys of all of us that finally made it to that
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Lisa Davis: goal that we had for ourselves.
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Lisa Davis: You know?
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Lisa Davis: And I always just wrote an article recently for Katie Couric Media of
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Lisa Davis: like, hey, it's not about leaning in.
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Lisa Davis: It's about kicking down doors, figuring out how to go around them,
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Lisa Davis: staying true to yourself and your goals.
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Lisa Davis: And what does it truly take as a woman
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Lisa Davis: in order to have the successful careers we want?
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Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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Lisa Davis: A little passionate about this area.
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Lisa Nichols: You are passionate, and I love it because you're right.
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Lisa Nichols: I mean, I do think, you know, I'm I'm just gonna
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Lisa Nichols: I'm a flip over here and just read this piece because you
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Lisa Nichols: talked about intel.
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Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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Lisa Nichols: And
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Lisa Nichols: this was, this is called the subtitle of this,
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Lisa Nichols: not it's it's in a, it's in the chapter six.
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Lisa Nichols: But it says courage, the ticket to trust.
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Lisa Nichols: Says when I arrived at Intel and found myself the odd woman out, I
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Lisa Nichols: had two options.
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Lisa Nichols: I could either quit or win.
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Lisa Davis: Yeah.
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Lisa Nichols: Quitting wasn't on the table.
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Lisa Nichols: So quitting really was not an option for you, but winning meant earning the
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Lisa Nichols: trust of a team that openly distrusted me.
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Lisa Nichols: You said the moment that you stepped into the building, it hung in the
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Lisa Nichols: air like humidity.
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Lisa Nichols: You could feel the resentment.
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Lisa Nichols: But then you go on to say, but you went in open and curious,
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Lisa Nichols: fully aware that you had a lot to learn, and you weren't pretending otherwise.
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Lisa Nichols: I let my team see that vulnerability instead of hiding it, because
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Lisa Nichols: I believe trust begins when a leader is honest about what she knows and
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Lisa Nichols: what she's still figuring out.
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Lisa Nichols: You know?
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Lisa Nichols: And I just I love that that you, you know, are are saying
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Lisa Nichols: that it is okay to be vulnerable and to say, own what
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Lisa Nichols: you know and what you don't know.
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Lisa Nichols: But you built trust with the team and eventually overcame
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Lisa Nichols: that resentment that they had, right, by leaning with
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Lisa Nichols: vulnerability.
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Lisa Nichols: So to your point, I do think it is important,
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Lisa Nichols: to share our stories because I think there may be another woman out there
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Lisa Nichols: that's like, oh, I can't be vulnerable because then that shows weakness
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Lisa Nichols: or Yes.
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Lisa Nichols: Maybe shows that, yeah, I'm not the right person for the job.
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Lisa Nichols: Right?
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Lisa Nichols: But no.
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Lisa Nichols: It's okay.
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Lisa Davis: It's okay.
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Lisa Davis: And it also keeps, I believe, Lisa, women back
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Lisa Davis: from taking those risk Yes.
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Lisa Davis: In those careers.
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Lisa Davis: And I always share the expression that growth happens at the exit of your
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Lisa Davis: comfort zone.
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Lisa Davis: Right?
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Lisa Davis: Every and when I made those career transitions
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Lisa Davis: and decisions, I would say they probably weren't vogue.
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Lisa Davis: A lot of people looked at my career and transitioning different sectors,
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Lisa Davis: although I was still a technology executive, it's like, this is kinda odd.
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Lisa Davis: And the expression I use in the book is nonlinear
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Lisa Davis: by design.
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Lisa Davis: It was purposeful because when I jumped sectors
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Lisa Davis: Mhmm.
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Lisa Davis: That
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Lisa Davis: that jump into that particular sector, whether it was academia, whether it was intel,
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Lisa Davis: or it was health care, I didn't know that sector inside and out.
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Lisa Davis: Right.
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Lisa Davis: I didn't know what the global supply chain was.
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Lisa Davis: I had never worked in supply chain when I went to Intel.
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Lisa Davis: So even though I brought a breadth of experience and knowledge as
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Lisa Davis: a technologist from my previous role, I
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Lisa Davis: very much stepped into roles where I had an incredible amount of learning
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Lisa Davis: to do.
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Lisa Davis: Yes.
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Lisa Davis: And I took that risk
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Lisa Davis: in doing that role because I knew it would stretch me.
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Lisa Davis: It would make me grow, that I would have to be curious and
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Lisa Davis: vulnerable.
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Lisa Davis: And, ultimately, as I reflect back now in those careers
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Lisa Davis: and by what and by by by no means am I saying it wasn't
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Lisa Davis: scary.
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Lisa Davis: And I was like, oh, man.
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Lisa Davis: How am I gonna do this?
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Lisa Nichols: You had those feelings.
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Lisa Nichols: Right?
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Lisa Nichols: You had those feelings.
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Lisa Nichols: And you were fearful.
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Lisa Davis: Yeah.
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Lisa Davis: I was fearful.
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Lisa Davis: Absolutely.
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Lisa Davis: I was stressed out.
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Lisa Davis: What the hell is this?
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Lisa Davis: Why am I gonna do this?
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Lisa Davis: But I knew, you know what?
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Lisa Davis: I'm gonna figure it out.
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Lisa Davis: Mhmm.
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Lisa Davis: I figured out other things.
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Lisa Davis: I can figure this out too, and I can bring my knowledge,
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Lisa Davis: my experience, my expertise
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Lisa Davis: from a different perspective.
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Lisa Davis: That's the important of diversity
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Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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Lisa Davis: Of perspectives per perspectives.
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Lisa Davis: And it ultimately, I believe, made me a better leader,
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Lisa Davis: a better technology executive because I had had that breadth
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Lisa Davis: of experience across the different sectors.
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Lisa Davis: So, you know, I always encourage women and all leaders, actually.
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Lisa Davis: You know, you will never know everything you need to know when you're taking
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Lisa Davis: that next jump.
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Lisa Davis: You know, when you can do the job you're doing today and you can
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Lisa Davis: close your eyes at night and do that with your eyes closed, asleep,
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Lisa Davis: that should be a signal telling you, oh, I'm I
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Lisa Davis: need to stretch myself.
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Lisa Davis: I need to take those risk in order to really grow.
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Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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Lisa Nichols: No.
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Lisa Nichols: That's so good.
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Lisa Nichols: That is so good.
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Lisa Nichols: I'm I'm so grateful that you just went through all that because I think
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Lisa Nichols: sometimes yeah.
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Lisa Nichols: It's fear that holds us back from doing things.
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Lisa Nichols: Right?
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Lisa Nichols: And I love that quote, Nelson Mandela.
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Lisa Nichols: You know, he says, courage is not the absence of fear.
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Lisa Nichols: It's a triumph over it.
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Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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Lisa Nichols: You know?
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Lisa Nichols: And for you to say, no.
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Lisa Nichols: I was fearful because a lot of times, I think women look at other
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Lisa Nichols: women doing those things and think, oh, wow.
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Lisa Nichols: They've got so much more confidence than I am.
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Lisa Davis: We just make it till we make it, whatever that expression is.
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Lisa Davis: Right?
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Lisa Nichols: You Yeah.
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Lisa Davis: You learn.
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Lisa Davis: You grow into it.
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Lisa Nichols: You you believe in yourself.
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Lisa Nichols: You know?
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Lisa Davis: Believe in yourself, and you surround yourself with people.
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Lisa Davis: Yes.
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Lisa Davis: You know, that support network of, yes,
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Lisa Davis: you're gonna figure it out.
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Lisa Davis: It's gonna be okay.
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Lisa Davis: Keep putting another step forward.
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Lisa Davis: Mhmm.
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Lisa Davis: And and I've always believed as, you know, authenticity and that's why it's a
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Lisa Davis: chapter in my book.
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Lisa Davis: Being an authentic leader doesn't mean that you're not an effective
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Lisa Davis: performance driven, you know,
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Lisa Davis: execution minded leader.
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Lisa Davis: It's it's how you engage and support your team, how
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Lisa Davis: you lead with honesty and integrity and transparency.
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Lisa Davis: And at the end of the day, it's about followership.
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Lisa Davis: You know?
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Lisa Davis: Ask yourself, are these people that I'm leading today, would they
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Lisa Davis: be willing to sign up and follow me in my next job
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Lisa Davis: and, you know, lead with me again?
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Lisa Davis: And that's a sign of whether or not you're developing that type of leadership
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Lisa Davis: in your organizations.
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Lisa Nichols: That's so good.
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Lisa Nichols: Love that.
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Lisa Nichols: Well,
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Lisa Nichols: you know, after people finish the book, what do you hope I mean, there
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Lisa Nichols: are nine principles in there.
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Lisa Nichols: Is there what what do you hope that they feel, Lisa?
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Lisa Nichols: And what's what's, like, one major takeaway
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Lisa Nichols: that you hope that they take away after reading the book?
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Lisa Davis: I love when women and not just women, but when when when men
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Lisa Davis: read the book and they say,
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Lisa Davis: oh, I'm empowered.
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Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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Lisa Davis: I got it.
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Lisa Davis: I can believe in myself now that I've given them
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Lisa Davis: some tools in the toolbox
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Lisa Davis: that gives them the confidence to pursue whatever
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Lisa Davis: personal or professional goal is.
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Lisa Davis: And I love it when a man and I, you know, I say this
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Lisa Davis: all the time.
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Lisa Davis: This is not just this book, not for not for just women.
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Lisa Davis: It's for men too.
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Lisa Davis: And I very much believe that these principles, and I talk a lot about
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Lisa Davis: this,
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Lisa Davis: in many of the groups that I work with.
18:53
Lisa Davis: These principles are principles
18:56
Lisa Davis: probably more important in this era of AI we are
19:01
Lisa Davis: of leaders, of how to lead with conviction.
19:05
Lisa Davis: Mhmm.
19:05
Lisa Davis: What are your core values?
19:07
Lisa Davis: What are the foundation and principles that guide you?
19:10
Lisa Davis: What are your guardrails?
19:11
Lisa Davis: What lines won't you cross?
19:13
Lisa Davis: And we see it time and time again with the pace and complexity of
19:16
Lisa Davis: change that we're navigating, that leaders are under tremendous
19:21
Lisa Davis: pressure, probably more pressure, than they've ever
19:25
Lisa Davis: been before.
19:27
Lisa Davis: And to me, that leadership because I always say
19:31
Lisa Davis: AI might be the catalyst, but leadership is the differentiator.
19:34
Lisa Davis: How will I become that leader in order to navigate my team,
19:39
Lisa Davis: my organizations, and myself through this
19:43
Lisa Davis: period of unprecedented change?
19:45
Lisa Davis: So when men read the book and they say to me, wow.
19:50
Lisa Davis: I never knew.
19:51
Lisa Davis: I got it now.
19:53
Lisa Davis: My first thought is, were you living under a rock this whole time?
19:57
Lisa Davis: You know, it's some of these some of these guys that I've been colleagues
20:01
Lisa Davis: and friends with the whole time.
20:02
Lisa Davis: But it gives a different perspective.
20:05
Lisa Davis: And, of course, it really hits home for them when they have daughters
20:09
Lisa Davis: entering the
20:10
Lisa Nichols: workplace.
20:10
Lisa Nichols: Sure.
20:11
Lisa Davis: Right?
20:12
Lisa Davis: We get we get a whole new perspective.
20:15
Lisa Nichols: Absolutely.
20:15
Lisa Nichols: When we
20:16
Lisa Davis: have daughters entering the workplace of, wow.
20:19
Lisa Davis: I had no idea.
20:21
Lisa Davis: Yes.
20:22
Lisa Davis: And they need be they need to be prepared Right.
20:25
Lisa Davis: And understand what it is going to take to persevere and
20:29
Lisa Davis: ultimately succeed.
20:31
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
20:31
Lisa Nichols: So good.
20:32
Lisa Nichols: So good.
20:34
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
20:34
Lisa Nichols: So I'm glad that you mentioned that because I was gonna say it's it's
20:37
Lisa Nichols: it's not just a leadership book for women.
20:39
Lisa Nichols: No.
20:40
Lisa Nichols: It's a leadership book for all.
20:42
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
20:43
Lisa Nichols: You know, so there are nine different leadership principles.
20:46
Lisa Nichols: Is there one that was the hardest one for you to learn personally,
20:51
Lisa Nichols: Lisa?
20:52
Lisa Davis: Well, that's an interesting question.
20:57
Lisa Nichols: Here's what we got.
20:58
Lisa Davis: I think they were a couple.
21:00
Lisa Davis: I think there were a couple.
21:02
Lisa Davis: Of course, it it those principles evolve, and I don't I think having
21:07
Lisa Davis: all nine, there's not one that needs to happen before the other.
21:10
Lisa Davis: Right?
21:10
Lisa Davis: I think they all kinda build upon themselves and can stand alone
21:14
Lisa Davis: on their own.
21:16
Lisa Davis: There's a couple I wrote purposefully,
21:19
Lisa Davis: that really stood out, and one was power.
21:22
Lisa Davis: And I think that chapter is really important because, many
21:26
Lisa Davis: women and frankly many leaders, we're not taught
21:30
Lisa Davis: how to navigate power structures,
21:34
Lisa Davis: how to build our power, how to use power responsibly.
21:38
Lisa Davis: And we see many examples,
21:41
Lisa Davis: where people don't use power responsibly.
21:44
Lisa Davis: So what does it mean to have the platform, to have the
21:48
Lisa Davis: leadership opportunity, to be at the executive table
21:52
Lisa Davis: where decisions are made?
21:55
Lisa Davis: And what is your responsibility as a leader?
21:58
Lisa Davis: Not to make sure you're leading with conviction.
22:04
Lisa Davis: You're leading certainly from a humanity stand standpoint as well.
22:09
Lisa Davis: But also your responsibility to bring and pull other leaders
22:13
Lisa Davis: and diverse perspectives forward.
22:15
Lisa Davis: And also a responsibility
22:17
Lisa Davis: to enable system change, to support
22:21
Lisa Davis: leaders of all types and kinds sitting at
22:25
Lisa Davis: that table.
22:26
Lisa Davis: So I think the power chapter
22:29
Lisa Davis: and, you know, it it also and and we know as we go through
22:32
Lisa Davis: our careers and we can continue to become wiser in our learnings,
22:36
Lisa Davis: right, in this journey that we're all on.
22:39
Lisa Davis: That that power chapter is really important to understand
22:44
Lisa Davis: the role and the importance we have as leaders and what that means to
22:48
Lisa Davis: have power.
22:49
Lisa Davis: Mhmm.
22:49
Lisa Davis: And then the other chapter,
22:52
Lisa Davis: that I think is an oxymoron for a lot of people is rest.
22:56
Lisa Davis: Yeah.
22:56
Lisa Davis: And
22:57
Lisa Nichols: I am so glad you brought that up because that's one of the things
23:00
Lisa Nichols: that I wanted you to talk about is rest.
23:02
Lisa Davis: Yeah.
23:03
Lisa Davis: Rest.
23:03
Lisa Nichols: So tell me your thoughts on rest.
23:05
Lisa Davis: Well, you know, I had to learn this the hard way, you know, as,
23:09
Lisa Davis: you know, and and it's in the book sharing my story of having to
23:12
Lisa Davis: have open heart surgery and never expecting that to occur and the
23:16
Lisa Davis: stress that I accumulated,
23:18
Lisa Davis: certainly in the roles that I had had
23:22
Lisa Davis: in in my own career.
23:24
Lisa Davis: And I've learned that exhaustion is not a badge of honor.
23:29
Lisa Davis: And what I talk about in this chapter is rest is a leadership strategy.
23:34
Lisa Davis: And it requires a different mindset, and I don't
23:38
Lisa Davis: I can't tell you how many leaders I meet with today, Lisa,
23:43
Lisa Davis: that what they tell me is I'm exhausted.
23:46
Lisa Davis: I can't self regulate.
23:48
Lisa Davis: The pressure is, you know, from the board, from the CEO,
23:52
Lisa Davis: whoever it may be.
23:53
Lisa Davis: I've I've never felt this type of pressure before.
23:57
Lisa Davis: And the response is that I'll keep moving
24:01
Lisa Davis: on this, you know,
24:03
Lisa Davis: hamster wheel trying to move faster, faster, faster.
24:07
Lisa Davis: And what we really need to be doing is saying, wait.
24:12
Lisa Davis: Take a step back.
24:13
Lisa Davis: Because we've all heard, you know, especially as moms and dads,
24:18
Lisa Davis: we need to be able to take care of ourselves before we can take
24:20
Lisa Davis: care of our children, before we can take care of others.
24:22
Lisa Davis: What's it's applicable in the workplace too.
24:25
Lisa Davis: If I'm exhausted and burnt out, if I'm in the office
24:29
Lisa Davis: twenty four seven on all weekends,
24:32
Lisa Davis: we are setting behaviors that will be replicated by
24:36
Lisa Davis: our teams.
24:37
Lisa Davis: We're actually setting expectations for our teams Yes.
24:41
Lisa Davis: With our own leadership behaviors.
24:44
Lisa Davis: And the culture we create are the leadership
24:48
Lisa Davis: behaviors I exhibit.
24:52
Lisa Davis: Right?
24:53
Lisa Davis: And there's all kind of data that supports this.
24:57
Lisa Davis: Poor decision making, you know, the inability to
25:01
Lisa Davis: be a systems thinker.
25:04
Lisa Davis: Our emotions become more forward when we're tired and we're exhausted.
25:08
Lisa Davis: So it's even more applicable in terms of leading
25:12
Lisa Davis: today than probably ever before That we incorporate
25:17
Lisa Davis: rest as a leadership strategy so that
25:21
Lisa Davis: we can be there for our teams, be sharp
25:25
Lisa Davis: in our decision making and our critical thinking, problem solving
25:29
Lisa Davis: abilities, adaptability, flexibility.
25:32
Lisa Davis: All these things don't happen if I'm exhausted when I wake up in
25:35
Lisa Nichols: the morning.
25:35
Lisa Davis: Right?
25:36
Lisa Nichols: That's right.
25:37
Lisa Nichols: That's right.
25:38
Lisa Nichols: Oh, I'm so glad that you touched on that because, I mean, I I
25:42
Lisa Nichols: do.
25:42
Lisa Nichols: I see myself included.
25:44
Lisa Nichols: I can I'd be I can get in that mode too.
25:47
Lisa Nichols: Lisa, like, oh, just work harder.
25:49
Lisa Nichols: Just work longer hours.
25:51
Lisa Nichols: Right?
25:52
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
25:52
Lisa Nichols: Somebody said to me, I was talking to a friend a couple weeks ago,
25:56
Lisa Nichols: and they go rest is for tomorrow.
25:58
Lisa Nichols: And I said rest
25:59
Lisa Davis: is for This is a cultural thing.
26:01
Lisa Davis: It that we have been trained
26:04
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
26:04
Lisa Davis: I really believe as an American work society.
26:08
Lisa Davis: That's not how they think in Europe.
26:09
Lisa Nichols: No.
26:09
Lisa Nichols: It's not.
26:10
Lisa Nichols: They're trying
26:10
Lisa Davis: to figure out when their next vacation is.
26:12
Lisa Nichols: That's right.
26:13
Lisa Nichols: They're
26:13
Lisa Davis: taking a siesta in the afternoon.
26:16
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
26:16
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
26:16
Lisa Davis: Right?
26:16
Lisa Davis: We here in America are just like, work, work, harder, longer,
26:21
Lisa Davis: more, and that, you know, that has been conditioned
26:26
Lisa Davis: into how we think.
26:29
Lisa Davis: Yeah.
26:30
Lisa Davis: It's not producing the outcomes that we want.
26:32
Lisa Davis: It's not sustainable.
26:34
Lisa Davis: Yeah.
26:34
Lisa Davis: And, eventually, what we don't realize is
26:39
Lisa Davis: the impact on our health.
26:42
Lisa Davis: Mhmm.
26:43
Lisa Davis: Right?
26:43
Lisa Davis: I'm a huge health nerd, you know, about longevity.
26:47
Lisa Davis: I've been a fitness instructor for a large part of my career.
26:51
Lisa Davis: And now my lens is thinking in health span
26:56
Lisa Davis: and longevity, and it was so telling to me
27:00
Lisa Davis: that when I left corporate America in my last role
27:05
Lisa Davis: and I know probably many of you can relate to the Sunday night
27:09
Lisa Davis: anxiety
27:11
Lisa Davis: of the weekend's over, tomorrow's Monday.
27:15
Lisa Davis: What's on the schedule for the week, and what do I need to prepare
27:20
Lisa Davis: myself for?
27:21
Lisa Davis: Right.
27:22
Lisa Davis: And and that Sunday night anxiety would sit
27:26
Lisa Davis: on your my shoulders and, you know, the weekend thinking
27:30
Lisa Davis: about, oh, man.
27:31
Lisa Davis: Next week's gonna be a doozy of what it's gonna take for us to
27:35
Lisa Davis: get through that week.
27:36
Lisa Davis: I carry that for probably six months easily
27:41
Lisa Davis: Mhmm.
27:42
Lisa Davis: Because it was ingrained
27:45
Lisa Davis: emotionally, physically,
27:47
Lisa Davis: right, into my body of being in corporate America
27:51
Lisa Davis: for over, you know, forty years.
27:54
Lisa Nichols: Right.
27:55
Lisa Davis: Mary.
27:55
Lisa Davis: So to unwind that conditioning
27:58
Lisa Nichols: Took some some work, right, to
28:01
Lisa Davis: A lot of work.
28:01
Lisa Davis: You don't still doing it.
28:03
Lisa Davis: And it's a year and a half, almost two years later.
28:06
Lisa Nichols: No.
28:07
Lisa Nichols: Well, you're getting ready to go to one of my favorite places for four
28:10
Lisa Nichols: weeks, Greece.
28:11
Lisa Nichols: So I'm really hoping you can continue to get some healing from
28:15
Lisa Nichols: that and unwind that.
28:17
Lisa Nichols: But Yes.
28:18
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
28:19
Lisa Nichols: That is, so good.
28:20
Lisa Nichols: Well, Lisa, we do need to take a quick break, and we'll be right
28:23
Lisa Nichols: back on the Something Extra podcast with Lisa Davis.
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28:56
Lisa Nichols: Welcome back, everyone, to the Something Extra podcast with my friend, Lisa
29:00
Lisa Nichols: Davis.
29:01
Lisa Nichols: Oh, boy, Lisa, you've just been this is a power packed
29:05
Lisa Nichols: podcast so far.
29:06
Lisa Nichols: Just so much good wisdom and insights here.
29:11
Lisa Nichols: You know, was, you know, was there ever a moment when you
29:15
Lisa Nichols: walked away from leadership?
29:17
Lisa Nichols: Did you ever I mean, I don't think you ever had a break.
29:20
Lisa Nichols: Right?
29:21
Lisa Nichols: You just went from one thing to the other.
29:24
Lisa Davis: Yeah.
29:24
Lisa Davis: I I was never fortunate.
29:27
Lisa Davis: Maybe I'll call it that way.
29:29
Lisa Davis: Yeah.
29:29
Lisa Davis: To kinda bake in
29:32
Lisa Davis: a small
29:32
Lisa Nichols: sabbatical sabbatical?
29:34
Lisa Davis: In between Mhmm.
29:36
Lisa Davis: In between roles.
29:38
Lisa Davis: And part of me is, a kind of a glutton for punishment
29:42
Lisa Davis: because I always seek those roles
29:46
Lisa Davis: where, frankly, there was nowhere to go but up.
29:50
Lisa Davis: Mhmm.
29:50
Lisa Davis: It was major transformation.
29:53
Lisa Davis: I love driving transformation.
29:57
Lisa Davis: I sought after those roles, and those roles really required me to
30:01
Lisa Davis: hit the ground running.
30:02
Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
30:03
Lisa Davis: And it just seemed that every pivot I made, it was, like, an immediate
30:07
Lisa Davis: start within the next two to three weeks.
30:10
Lisa Davis: So, yes, it it it was certainly,
30:15
Lisa Davis: one thing from the other.
30:16
Lisa Davis: And then when I left my full time role in February of last year,
30:20
Lisa Davis: immediately,
30:22
Lisa Davis: started my own company, Davis Core Advisory, with my portfolio
30:27
Lisa Davis: career, and I began writing my book.
30:30
Lisa Davis: And, you know, it must be my engineering type a personality
30:34
Lisa Davis: was like, okay.
30:35
Lisa Davis: This isn't gonna be a two, three year project.
30:37
Lisa Davis: I'm gonna get this book done in one year.
30:41
Lisa Davis: Right.
30:42
Lisa Davis: Right.
30:42
Lisa Davis: I knew what I wanted to write about,
30:46
Lisa Davis: and did that.
30:48
Lisa Davis: I accomplished that in thirteen months.
30:50
Lisa Davis: So that was that was terrific.
30:51
Lisa Davis: And I spent the first part of my time away
30:55
Lisa Davis: from corporate in doing so, and it was really an
30:59
Lisa Davis: opportunity to kinda reflect upon the whole journey.
31:05
Lisa Davis: Absolutely.
31:06
Lisa Davis: And when I started writing the book and sharing the stories,
31:10
Lisa Davis: I didn't have, oh, these are my nine principles, and I'm going
31:14
Lisa Davis: to talk about these nine principles in the book.
31:17
Lisa Davis: I had no principles.
31:19
Lisa Davis: And the principles evolved from the reflection
31:23
Lisa Davis: and the learnings of, oh, this is what
31:27
Lisa Davis: it took for me to take that next step.
31:30
Lisa Davis: This is what I had to learn.
31:33
Lisa Davis: So the principles evolved from that, and that that was really kinda almost
31:37
Lisa Davis: part therapy for me.
31:39
Lisa Davis: And Yes.
31:40
Lisa Davis: Shaping and telling that story and ultimately kinda curating,
31:45
Lisa Davis: oh, it was this principle
31:48
Lisa Davis: that really was the foundation
31:51
Lisa Davis: of what supported me from this point to the next point.
31:55
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
31:56
Lisa Nichols: I would I would one hundred percent agree with you because I learned so
32:00
Lisa Nichols: much about myself writing my book.
32:02
Lisa Nichols: Right?
32:03
Lisa Davis: Yes.
32:03
Lisa Nichols: And it really helped you clarify
32:06
Lisa Nichols: your thoughts around the subject for one thing.
32:09
Lisa Nichols: You know?
32:09
Lisa Nichols: Because you gotta write it in a way that people can understand it.
32:13
Lisa Nichols: Right?
32:13
Lisa Davis: Yes.
32:13
Lisa Davis: I
32:13
Lisa Nichols: think most books are, I don't know, meant to be,
32:18
Lisa Nichols: be able to re be read by, what, sixth graders or seventh graders, something
32:22
Lisa Nichols: like that.
32:22
Lisa Nichols: Right?
32:23
Lisa Nichols: But sometimes just getting that clarity and
32:27
Lisa Nichols: sitting with those things, I mean, I it was it was telling for me.
32:31
Lisa Nichols: And I've I've I've talked to other authors that have written in fact, I
32:35
Lisa Nichols: had a friend this morning I was talking to that his book is launching
32:38
Lisa Nichols: September fifteenth, and he's just like, it really was,
32:42
Lisa Nichols: like you said, kinda therapeutic.
32:44
Lisa Nichols: You know?
32:45
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
32:45
Lisa Nichols: And, because you got all this stuff rolling around in your head.
32:49
Lisa Nichols: But when you start putting on paper, it really
32:53
Lisa Nichols: helps drive clarity, I think.
32:55
Lisa Nichols: You know?
32:55
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
32:56
Lisa Nichols: So
32:56
Lisa Davis: The the hardest part for me was when I and
33:00
Lisa Davis: when I wrote when I started writing the book, it was always more from
33:04
Lisa Davis: a leadership lens and my learnings from a leadership lens.
33:08
Lisa Davis: And, really, the personal
33:11
Lisa Davis: stories,
33:14
Lisa Davis: were not part of where I was going originally with the book.
33:17
Lisa Davis: And when I shared the book, initial drafts with colleagues and
33:21
Lisa Davis: kinda crowdsourced from different generations, the overwhelming
33:26
Lisa Davis: response I got back was, oh, we want more of
33:30
Lisa Davis: you.
33:31
Lisa Davis: We want your personal story.
33:34
Lisa Davis: That's right.
33:35
Lisa Davis: I had to get really comfortable with that.
33:38
Lisa Davis: Yeah.
33:38
Lisa Davis: There's things in there.
33:40
Lisa Davis: I'm like, oh, I can't go there.
33:41
Lisa Davis: Oh, okay.
33:42
Lisa Davis: Where can I go?
33:44
Lisa Davis: Where where is that right balance?
33:46
Lisa Nichols: Sure.
33:47
Lisa Davis: And I never had intended to get that personal and vulnerable
33:52
Lisa Davis: in my storytelling.
33:54
Lisa Davis: But learning that that, I believe, is what ultimately people
33:58
Lisa Davis: connected to.
33:59
Lisa Nichols: It is.
34:00
Lisa Nichols: You're
34:01
Lisa Davis: Yeah.
34:01
Lisa Davis: That was that was a learning opportunity for me.
34:03
Lisa Nichols: You're exactly right.
34:05
Lisa Nichols: You know what?
34:06
Lisa Nichols: Because they see themself in that.
34:07
Lisa Nichols: It's like, oh,
34:10
Lisa Nichols: she felt that same emotion or she I went through
34:14
Lisa Nichols: that too.
34:15
Lisa Nichols: You know?
34:15
Lisa Nichols: I mean, I yeah.
34:16
Lisa Nichols: I just there it's powerful.
34:18
Lisa Nichols: It really is.
34:20
Lisa Nichols: What advice, Lisa?
34:22
Lisa Nichols: And I know that you I mean, you have a heart for women.
34:24
Lisa Nichols: I know that you have a heart for women and seeing women having a
34:27
Lisa Nichols: seat at the table.
34:29
Lisa Nichols: But what advice do you have for young women that are entering leadership,
34:33
Lisa Nichols: who feel like they have to prove themselves every day?
34:36
Lisa Nichols: What what advice do you have for them?
34:39
Lisa Davis: Well, sadly, you know, you do have to prove yourself
34:42
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
34:42
Lisa Davis: To a certain extent.
34:43
Lisa Davis: And and I always tell young women that
34:48
Lisa Davis: performing, executing, those are table stakes.
34:53
Lisa Davis: And that is foundational to even I mean, I have a daughter who's twenty
34:57
Lisa Davis: three years old, so I have this conversation Yeah.
34:59
Lisa Davis: With her all the time because she's so driven, and she
35:03
Lisa Davis: wants to reach the next level, and she's working so hard.
35:07
Lisa Davis: And I said, this is part of the journey.
35:09
Lisa Davis: Right?
35:09
Lisa Davis: I think many times
35:13
Lisa Davis: younger generations wanna know if there's a shortcut to getting to the
35:17
Lisa Davis: top, or, mom, I wanna have a career just like you.
35:20
Lisa Davis: And I said, well, you can have a career.
35:22
Lisa Davis: Actually, I want you to have a better career than I had.
35:26
Lisa Davis: But, you know, Alex, it took me fifty years
35:30
Lisa Davis: to have that career, not ten in my twenties.
35:33
Lisa Davis: I was very much learning and growing.
35:36
Lisa Davis: So I always, advise young people, you know, get really good at what you
35:40
Lisa Davis: do, find what you're passionate about, become a subject matter expertise,
35:46
Lisa Davis: And know that's not enough because building your brand, building exposure,
35:51
Lisa Davis: probably most importantly in your twenty, building relationships,
35:55
Lisa Davis: connections, your network.
35:58
Lisa Davis: As long as you're learning and growing, you're doing the right things.
36:02
Lisa Davis: Mhmm.
36:04
Lisa Davis: Stop doubting yourself.
36:05
Lisa Davis: Stop thinking there needs to be more.
36:07
Lisa Davis: It's part of
36:10
Lisa Nichols: The process.
36:11
Lisa Davis: The part of the process.
36:12
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
36:13
Lisa Davis: Right?
36:13
Lisa Davis: And you can't shortcut the process.
36:15
Lisa Davis: Mhmm.
36:16
Lisa Davis: Because that comes with age, comes with experience, it comes with
36:21
Lisa Davis: relationships.
36:22
Lisa Davis: It's part of the process and part of the journey.
36:25
Lisa Davis: Mhmm.
36:25
Lisa Davis: So don't doubt yourself.
36:28
Lisa Davis: Stay true to who you are.
36:30
Lisa Davis: Stay true to what you love.
36:31
Lisa Davis: Work hard.
36:34
Lisa Davis: Deliver results.
36:35
Lisa Davis: But also recognize that as you do that, you're building your brand.
36:39
Lisa Davis: You're building your exposure.
36:41
Lisa Davis: And it's helping you to learn and to shape
36:46
Lisa Davis: what direction I wanna go next.
36:48
Lisa Davis: Because few of us pick a direction in our twenties and stay with that
36:52
Lisa Davis: for the rest of our careers as we know.
36:54
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
36:55
Lisa Nichols: That's right.
36:56
Lisa Nichols: That's that that those are really good words
37:01
Lisa Nichols: of wisdom.
37:02
Lisa Nichols: And, you know, as you were talking, Lisa, I was thinking, you know, like,
37:06
Lisa Nichols: you're twenty, thirty years old maybe, and you want that top position.
37:10
Lisa Nichols: Guess what?
37:11
Lisa Nichols: Even if that, most likely, even if that top position was
37:15
Lisa Nichols: given to you, you're not ready for it.
37:17
Lisa Davis: Not ready for it.
37:18
Lisa Nichols: You don't have all the tools in your tool belt that you have to
37:21
Lisa Nichols: even take on that role.
37:23
Lisa Nichols: Right?
37:23
Lisa Nichols: So Yes.
37:24
Lisa Nichols: You know, but I love what you said.
37:26
Lisa Nichols: Just get excellent at what you do.
37:28
Lisa Nichols: Everything you do
37:29
Lisa Davis: Yes.
37:30
Lisa Nichols: Learn and grow, and then that's part of the process.
37:33
Lisa Nichols: And you will be prepared then.
37:35
Lisa Davis: Then you will be prepared.
37:36
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
37:37
Lisa Nichols: For sure.
37:38
Lisa Nichols: So, I love that.
37:42
Lisa Nichols: Well,
37:44
Lisa Nichols: you know, yeah, we've we've talked about power.
37:46
Lisa Nichols: I'm glad you've already talked about power.
37:48
Lisa Nichols: I wanted to talk about rest.
37:49
Lisa Nichols: We've talked about rest.
37:52
Lisa Nichols: You know, let's talk about technology for a minute.
37:55
Lisa Nichols: You argue that technology cannot replace certain human qualities.
37:59
Lisa Davis: Mhmm.
37:59
Lisa Nichols: Which human capabilities do you think, especially in this
38:03
Lisa Nichols: AI era Mhmm.
38:05
Lisa Nichols: Right now, Lisa, are gonna be even more important than ever?
38:08
Lisa Nichols: Let's talk about that a little bit.
38:11
Lisa Davis: Yeah.
38:12
Lisa Davis: It's hard for a machine or a robot to be authentic.
38:15
Lisa Davis: You know?
38:17
Lisa Davis: Developing your leadership style around,
38:20
Lisa Davis: authenticity, integrity, honesty,
38:25
Lisa Davis: respect for others, appreciation for others, diverse perspectives.
38:29
Lisa Davis: I mean, these are things that AI and machines will never be
38:33
Lisa Davis: able to do with us.
38:34
Lisa Davis: And, you know, we mentioned our friend Dan Turchin earlier.
38:37
Lisa Davis: You know, Dan and I always laugh and talk about, yeah, we're team human.
38:41
Lisa Davis: Because even as a technologist,
38:44
Lisa Davis: technology is there to enable, to accelerate our strategies,
38:49
Lisa Davis: the work that we're creating.
38:51
Lisa Davis: And it shouldn't be viewed as replacing humans, but actually is
38:56
Lisa Davis: amplifying the human potential.
38:58
Lisa Davis: And those skills to me are critical thinking, adaptability,
39:03
Lisa Davis: human judgment, wisdom that brings to the table.
39:06
Lisa Davis: And, you you know, one other point that I wanna call out, it's so
39:10
Lisa Davis: interesting in this era, and we hear so much about workers being replaced.
39:14
Lisa Davis: And, you know, we're at a point now where more more women
39:19
Lisa Davis: had left have left the work and have not left the workplace.
39:22
Lisa Davis: I wanna say they've been forced to leave the workplace and not
39:26
Lisa Davis: give them a choice.
39:27
Lisa Davis: And we have this this group of both men and women that
39:31
Lisa Davis: are fifty and older,
39:35
Lisa Davis: that for lots of different reasons, but one a one AI
39:39
Lisa Davis: being one of them is why those roles are no longer needed.
39:43
Lisa Davis: And I just think back.
39:44
Lisa Davis: I think so often that, you know, these are the people that have the
39:48
Lisa Davis: wisdom, that have led through these type of transformational
39:53
Lisa Davis: changes, that can bring that human judgment and perspective
39:57
Lisa Davis: to lead these teams in probably one of the most complex
40:02
Lisa Davis: times of technology that we've ever been in.
40:05
Speaker 3: Mhmm.
40:05
Lisa Davis: And we're letting those superpowers
40:08
Lisa Davis: go.
40:10
Lisa Davis: So I I think there's an incredible opportunity for these leaders to
40:14
Lisa Davis: be in the workplace.
40:15
Lisa Davis: It's an incredible opportunity to bring in new leaders to build the leadership pipeline
40:19
Lisa Davis: of the future.
40:21
Lisa Davis: And, you know, don't forget those soft skills.
40:24
Lisa Davis: You can be this you can be the smart I always used to say
40:27
Lisa Davis: you can be the smartest person in the room, but you're a jerk.
40:30
Lisa Davis: Nobody wants to work with you.
40:32
Lisa Nichols: Right.
40:32
Lisa Davis: Right?
40:33
Lisa Nichols: Right.
40:34
Lisa Davis: Right?
40:34
Lisa Davis: The the human skills and the soft skills have probably been never more
40:38
Lisa Davis: important.
40:39
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
40:39
Lisa Nichols: I love hearing you say that because I believe I believe the same thing.
40:45
Lisa Nichols: You know, you you were just talking about, you know, the smartest person in
40:49
Lisa Nichols: the room, you know, but don't be a jerk.
40:51
Lisa Nichols: I mean, I think humility is really important as a leader.
40:56
Lisa Nichols: You don't have all but but, you know, one
41:00
Lisa Nichols: of my favorite definitions of humility was CS Lewis.
41:04
Lisa Nichols: And he said, you know, it's not thinking less of yourself.
41:06
Lisa Nichols: It's just thinking less of your yourself less often.
41:10
Lisa Nichols: Okay?
41:11
Lisa Nichols: So just don't think about yourself all the time.
41:14
Lisa Nichols: Right?
41:14
Lisa Davis: That's right.
41:15
Lisa Nichols: That was his definition.
41:16
Lisa Nichols: But how you know, sometimes people, think that
41:20
Lisa Nichols: humility and confidence cannot live in the same person.
41:25
Lisa Nichols: Right?
41:25
Lisa Nichols: But, I mean, how do you balance, you know, humility with
41:29
Lisa Nichols: the confidence?
41:30
Lisa Nichols: You know?
41:31
Lisa Nichols: I mean, there's a difference.
41:32
Lisa Nichols: I mean, I think well, I just wanna hear what you you have to
41:35
Lisa Nichols: say about it, and then I'll say what I think.
41:38
Lisa Davis: Well, I I think it's a great example.
41:41
Lisa Davis: You know, taking risk, stepping into roles that you're not,
41:45
Lisa Davis: frankly, a hundred percent confident in Mhmm.
41:48
Lisa Davis: And that you know that you have learning to do,
41:53
Lisa Davis: and you have to be open to listen and receive
41:57
Lisa Davis: that learning from others that frankly may even be junior
42:01
Lisa Davis: to you requires humility.
42:05
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
42:06
Lisa Davis: You don't have all the answers.
42:07
Lisa Davis: Frankly, as leaders, we we never we never
42:11
Lisa Davis: have
42:12
Lisa Nichols: all the answers,
42:13
Lisa Davis: which is why we should surround ourselves with the, you know, brightest
42:17
Lisa Davis: and most capable minds and, frankly, people that are even smarter than us.
42:21
Lisa Davis: That requires you to have humility.
42:23
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
42:24
Lisa Davis: To not have an ego and lead with your ego
42:28
Lisa Davis: that you have all the answers.
42:31
Lisa Davis: And as you and I know, no one has all the answers.
42:34
Lisa Davis: So I absolutely believe.
42:36
Lisa Davis: I think it's a great point.
42:38
Lisa Davis: Humility and confidence can
42:41
Lisa Davis: coincide
42:43
Lisa Davis: in terms of the leaders that we need to be.
42:46
Lisa Davis: And that means that we can be curious.
42:49
Lisa Davis: We don't have all the answers.
42:50
Lisa Davis: We can learn.
42:51
Lisa Davis: We can grow.
42:52
Lisa Davis: We can rely on others to help us do that.
42:56
Lisa Davis: And at the end of the day, I think that's what our employees appreciate.
42:59
Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
43:00
Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
43:00
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
43:01
Lisa Nichols: I agree.
43:02
Lisa Nichols: Well and I you know, what I was just thinking is,
43:06
Lisa Nichols: you know, the antonym for me of humility is is
43:10
Lisa Nichols: hubris.
43:11
Lisa Nichols: You know?
43:12
Lisa Nichols: And so hubris can look like confidence, can look like
43:16
Lisa Nichols: but that's not what we're talking about.
43:17
Lisa Nichols: We're talking about a different kind of confidence that still is respectful,
43:23
Lisa Nichols: of other people's opinions, all of those things.
43:25
Lisa Nichols: So, yeah, okay.
43:27
Lisa Nichols: So I know you had you had said this a couple times
43:31
Lisa Nichols: that you'd had so many awesome people, you know, that had poured into you.
43:36
Lisa Nichols: Is has there been one or two mentors in your life, Lisa,
43:40
Lisa Nichols: that really were instrumental?
43:43
Lisa Nichols: Even, like, maybe inviting you into the room, saving a seat for you at
43:46
Lisa Nichols: the table.
43:48
Lisa Nichols: Giving you hard, you know Hard feedback.
43:52
Lisa Nichols: Hard feedback.
43:53
Lisa Nichols: Right?
43:54
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
43:55
Lisa Nichols: I mean, it's not easy to hear, but you need those people in your
43:58
Lisa Nichols: life that are gonna say, you know, you're you're not really walking
44:02
Lisa Nichols: the talk right now or whatever the case may be.
44:05
Lisa Nichols: Have you had some of those?
44:06
Lisa Nichols: And tell me a
44:06
Lisa Davis: little bit about them.
44:08
Lisa Davis: Have.
44:08
Lisa Davis: And and this is a big part of the book is allyship.
44:13
Lisa Davis: And, you know, the truth is I wouldn't have been
44:17
Lisa Davis: where I got in my career without both male and
44:21
Lisa Davis: female allies.
44:23
Lisa Davis: So allies,
44:25
Lisa Davis: are absolutely critical whether there's allies or mentors,
44:30
Lisa Davis: whether they're sponsors.
44:31
Lisa Davis: Make sure you understand the difference between both because sponsors
44:36
Lisa Davis: are the people that advocate for you when you're not in the room.
44:39
Lisa Davis: Yes.
44:40
Lisa Davis: So you need to have both.
44:42
Lisa Davis: I was fortunate to have both at various points of my career
44:47
Lisa Davis: that helped me either make that leap to the next role,
44:52
Lisa Davis: supported me, represented me when I was not in the room.
44:56
Lisa Davis: And I think, you know, all of I would even say my last
45:00
Lisa Davis: four or five roles, when someone else is saying, oh,
45:04
Lisa Davis: if you're hiring x, you need to talk to
45:08
Lisa Davis: Lisa Davis.
45:10
Lisa Davis: Right?
45:10
Lisa Davis: That goes back to representative of what your brand stands for
45:15
Lisa Davis: and who you are as a leader.
45:17
Lisa Davis: I think that's the ultimate
45:19
Lisa Davis: sign.
45:20
Lisa Davis: Okay.
45:20
Lisa Davis: I've got something right here because I'm not applying for these roles.
45:25
Lisa Davis: These roles are coming to me through my network for people that have
45:29
Lisa Davis: advocated for me, have seen me in action.
45:31
Lisa Davis: So being purposeful and establishing those mentors
45:35
Lisa Davis: and your sponsors are absolutely necessary as you
45:40
Lisa Davis: continue on your journeys.
45:41
Lisa Davis: And and I wouldn't have been where I was without having them.
45:44
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
45:45
Lisa Nichols: Well and then what I say is, Lisa, if we've had them, which I
45:49
Lisa Nichols: have as well, we need to be them.
45:51
Lisa Davis: Absolutely.
45:52
Lisa Davis: Yes.
45:54
Lisa Nichols: We we we can't forget, right, where we came from, and and somebody
45:58
Lisa Nichols: else needs that same mentorship or sponsorship.
46:01
Lisa Nichols: Right?
46:02
Lisa Davis: So agree more.
46:03
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
46:04
Lisa Nichols: So good.
46:06
Lisa Nichols: Well, you know okay.
46:08
Lisa Nichols: So,
46:10
Lisa Nichols: can you talk just briefly, and then we're gonna move into something
46:15
Lisa Nichols: extra.
46:15
Lisa Nichols: But can can you talk briefly about, Two Strands,
46:20
Lisa Nichols: the Global Foundation?
46:21
Lisa Davis: Oh, Three Strands Global Foundation.
46:24
Lisa Davis: Yes.
46:24
Lisa Davis: Yes.
46:25
Lisa Davis: This has been area I've been passionate in.
46:27
Lisa Davis: Started with my work back in the US Marshals when, the US
46:31
Lisa Davis: Marshals have a very close relationship with the National Center of Missing and Exploited
46:35
Lisa Davis: Children.
46:37
Lisa Davis: And, we worked very closely with them.
46:40
Lisa Davis: When I moved to Intel,
46:43
Lisa Davis: I had a young woman on my team that was involved
46:47
Lisa Davis: with prevention of human trafficking at a state level.
46:52
Lisa Davis: And we got together, started talking about the work that we've done,
46:56
Lisa Davis: and we elevated that work.
46:57
Lisa Davis: And I introduced her to the National Center to have Intel
47:02
Lisa Davis: assist with the center at a federal level.
47:05
Lisa Davis: So Intel supported modernizing their infrastructure, modernizing
47:10
Lisa Davis: many of their AI tools and capabilities.
47:13
Lisa Davis: So this has been a kinda a passion
47:18
Lisa Davis: area of mine in terms of nonprofit work
47:22
Lisa Davis: and areas where we can give back to our communities and have an impact
47:26
Lisa Davis: on, frankly, very serious and growing issue,
47:30
Lisa Davis: that's happening globally, but even more so in our country.
47:34
Lisa Davis: So, you know, it's so interesting how the universe works coming full circle,
47:39
Lisa Davis: leaving Intel, going to Blue Shield of California.
47:42
Lisa Davis: And then that colleague saying, hey.
47:44
Lisa Davis: Do you know that there is a nonprofit based out of Sacramento,
47:48
Lisa Davis: Three Strands Global Foundation, that is focused on the prevention
47:52
Lisa Davis: and determine of human trafficking and really work from
47:56
Lisa Davis: an education lens on helping,
48:01
Lisa Davis: those that have been trafficked, helping to educate,
48:06
Lisa Davis: school aged children on the signs to look for.
48:09
Lisa Davis: So it's it's work that I've been now doing, jeez,
48:14
Lisa Davis: almost probably over ten years now Mhmm.
48:16
Lisa Davis: And continue to serve as a board member now on the Global Foundation.
48:21
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
48:21
Lisa Nichols: Such important work.
48:22
Lisa Nichols: We we we love that work too and have gotten very involved in the
48:26
Lisa Nichols: TiVo.
48:27
Lisa Davis: Yes.
48:28
Lisa Nichols: The TiVo group and the TiVo Foundation because they're on the front lines every
48:32
Lisa Nichols: day fighting human trafficking.
48:34
Lisa Davis: And Yes.
48:34
Lisa Davis: Yes.
48:35
Lisa Davis: And there's there is more work to be done.
48:37
Lisa Nichols: There's more work to be done, but technology is a key component
48:41
Lisa Nichols: of that.
48:42
Lisa Nichols: Right, Lisa?
48:43
Lisa Nichols: I mean, that AI and being able to identify,
48:47
Lisa Nichols: you know, even missing children.
48:50
Lisa Davis: Yes.
48:51
Lisa Nichols: So,
48:53
Lisa Nichols: well, let me ask you this.
48:58
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
48:59
Lisa Nichols: Let me ask you this, and I'm gonna talk I'm two two more questions.
49:02
Lisa Nichols: I'm gonna talk about, something extra.
49:05
Lisa Nichols: But,
49:07
Lisa Nichols: is there a leadership habit that you have or something in your
49:11
Lisa Nichols: life, Lisa, that you never skip?
49:14
Lisa Nichols: Something that you do daily that you've just you never skip, you
49:18
Lisa Nichols: never compromise on.
49:20
Lisa Davis: Other than having my coffee?
49:22
Lisa Nichols: That's a big one.
49:24
Lisa Nichols: I haven't even had one cup of coffee today, but I I need it.
49:28
Lisa Nichols: But,
49:29
Lisa Davis: yeah.
49:29
Lisa Nichols: I mean Yeah.
49:30
Lisa Davis: I think it's a it's an interesting question.
49:31
Lisa Davis: I guess from a leadership perspective,
49:35
Lisa Davis: what I never skip is doing the work,
49:42
Lisa Davis: putting in the time, investing the time, not only in the work, but in
49:46
Lisa Davis: the people Yes.
49:47
Lisa Davis: Better doing the work.
49:49
Lisa Davis: And then at this point in the season I am in my career, and
49:52
Lisa Davis: you've already called it out, is, you know,
49:56
Lisa Davis: paying that forward and pulling other women, and
50:00
Lisa Davis: other diverse leaders forward and helping them accomplish their own goals.
50:05
Lisa Davis: So I I think it's important to stay true to who we are, to
50:09
Lisa Davis: get up every day, be passionate about what we're doing, do the work,
50:15
Lisa Davis: know why we're doing it.
50:17
Lisa Davis: And, you know, reaching a point now that when I choose to do
50:21
Lisa Davis: the work, I'm choosing to do it because it brings me joy and it
50:25
Lisa Davis: provides impact, and it's where ultimately I wanna spend
50:29
Lisa Davis: my time.
50:30
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
50:30
Lisa Nichols: That's so good.
50:31
Lisa Nichols: I love the word impact.
50:33
Lisa Davis: Yeah.
50:34
Lisa Nichols: Everything that we're doing, is it really impacting for the better?
50:39
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
50:40
Lisa Nichols: I'll put that little caveat in there.
50:42
Lisa Nichols: So you've got three children.
50:44
Lisa Nichols: You've got Katie, Christopher, and Alexander.
50:47
Lisa Nichols: Is it Alexander?
50:48
Lisa Davis: Alexandra.
50:50
Lisa Nichols: I've got an Alexandra, Lisa.
50:53
Lisa Nichols: We didn't talk about that.
50:54
Lisa Nichols: Our youngest is Alexandra.
50:56
Lisa Davis: Yes.
50:57
Lisa Davis: She's twenty three.
50:59
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
51:00
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
51:01
Lisa Nichols: What what do you hope that they learn from you?
51:06
Lisa Davis: Oh, work ethic.
51:09
Lisa Davis: Staying true to who you are, believing in yourself,
51:14
Lisa Davis: having grit.
51:16
Lisa Davis: You know?
51:17
Lisa Davis: I was never a trust fund baby.
51:20
Lisa Davis: You know, we had to we worked to accomplish Mhmm.
51:25
Lisa Davis: That and what it takes to
51:29
Lisa Davis: ultimately reach that success.
51:31
Lisa Davis: Success?
51:31
Lisa Davis: How do you define that success for yourself?
51:33
Lisa Davis: Because we all define it differently, and I think it's important climbing the corporate
51:37
Lisa Davis: ladder and hitting the role.
51:39
Lisa Davis: You know?
51:40
Lisa Davis: So many people I know climb that corporate ladder, and they get to that
51:43
Lisa Davis: role, and they're like, this is it?
51:46
Lisa Davis: This Right.
51:46
Lisa Davis: This is what I had spent This
51:48
Lisa Nichols: is what I've spent my whole life doing?
51:51
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
51:51
Lisa Davis: Yeah.
51:52
Lisa Davis: Yeah.
51:52
Lisa Davis: I so I I it's really important to have that self reflection.
51:56
Lisa Davis: Yes.
51:57
Lisa Davis: Agreed.
51:58
Lisa Davis: And, you know, one of the things I'd love to call out because there
52:01
Lisa Davis: is this perception.
52:02
Lisa Davis: I don't know if you saw it, but there was a great Wall Street
52:04
Lisa Davis: article journal that was done by a friend of colleague, Emily Riley.
52:08
Lisa Davis: She did a survey of the top earning women, women that have reached the
52:12
Lisa Davis: c suite and, you know, captured data of,
52:17
Lisa Davis: you know, what drove those women?
52:19
Lisa Davis: What did those women look like?
52:21
Lisa Davis: And there's this perception that in order to reach
52:26
Lisa Davis: the highest levels of your career, that you need to be single,
52:30
Lisa Davis: I don't know, crazy stuff or cat loving or whatever.
52:33
Lisa Davis: Whatever the adjectives that are used to describe Right.
52:36
Lisa Davis: Women who have succeeded.
52:38
Lisa Davis: Yeah.
52:39
Lisa Davis: Right?
52:39
Lisa Davis: And what the data showed, and I love this, is that
52:44
Lisa Davis: the overwhelming majority of women who have made it to
52:48
Lisa Davis: the c suite are women that have families, that have children.
52:53
Lisa Davis: And that in spite of the system Mhmm.
52:56
Lisa Davis: We found the way and a path to make it
53:00
Lisa Davis: work for us.
53:01
Lisa Davis: Mhmm.
53:02
Lisa Davis: And I think that is such an important lesson for
53:06
Lisa Davis: young women to understand that if you choose,
53:10
Lisa Davis: and it's your choice, to do whatever you want to do with your
53:14
Lisa Davis: one life, one beautiful life that you have, and that
53:19
Lisa Davis: is having a career and having a family.
53:21
Lisa Nichols: In line.
53:22
Lisa Davis: Right?
53:22
Lisa Davis: You can move over.
53:24
Lisa Davis: It won't be easy Yes.
53:26
Lisa Davis: In the system that we are navigating today, but it is
53:30
Lisa Davis: possible, and the data shows that.
53:32
Lisa Davis: And I loved that article for those results.
53:36
Lisa Nichols: That's so good.
53:37
Lisa Nichols: I love that as well.
53:39
Lisa Nichols: And, obviously, I believe that.
53:41
Lisa Nichols: As you said, it's not easy.
53:43
Lisa Nichols: It's not easy.
53:44
Lisa Nichols: And you may have to ask for help.
53:46
Lisa Nichols: That's right.
53:47
Lisa Nichols: Then.
53:48
Lisa Nichols: Don't be scared
53:48
Lisa Davis: to ask for help.
53:49
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
53:49
Lisa Nichols: Don't be scared to do that.
53:51
Lisa Nichols: Right?
53:51
Lisa Nichols: Yes.
53:52
Lisa Nichols: So, Lisa, this is called something extra.
53:54
Lisa Nichols: I wanna ask you.
53:55
Lisa Nichols: What do you believe is something extra that every leader needs?
54:01
Lisa Davis: Especially for women, I would say, own your
54:05
Lisa Davis: power.
54:07
Lisa Davis: And we hesitate
54:09
Lisa Davis: because we've been culturally conditioned
54:12
Lisa Davis: to almost shrink ourselves.
54:16
Lisa Davis: Right?
54:16
Lisa Davis: To not own that power that we have.
54:19
Lisa Davis: And I'm a huge fan of Marianne Williamson's quote
54:23
Lisa Davis: of, you know, our role is to be as powerful
54:27
Lisa Davis: as we can be, to not shrink ourselves, to make others
54:32
Lisa Davis: more comfortable.
54:34
Lisa Davis: And I think if we can hold that at our core of who
54:38
Lisa Davis: we are, and each one of us is a special,
54:42
Lisa Davis: you know, special unique being that has been put
54:46
Lisa Davis: on this earth for a purpose.
54:49
Lisa Davis: Yeah.
54:49
Lisa Davis: Own it.
54:50
Lisa Davis: Yeah.
54:51
Lisa Davis: Own it.
54:51
Lisa Davis: Let it shine.
54:52
Lisa Davis: Be proud of it, and never shrink yourself to accommodate
54:57
Lisa Davis: someone else's own
55:00
Lisa Davis: issues of who you are.
55:03
Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
55:03
Lisa Nichols: That's so good.
55:05
Lisa Nichols: I've never had anyone say that.
55:07
Lisa Nichols: So thank you out of four hundred and something episodes.
55:11
Lisa Nichols: So that was really good.
55:13
Lisa Nichols: I love it.
55:14
Lisa Nichols: You're unique.
55:15
Lisa Nichols: You're unique, Lisa.
55:16
Lisa Davis: That's right.
55:17
Lisa Davis: I am.
55:17
Lisa Davis: Definitely.
55:18
Lisa Nichols: Many people
55:18
Lisa Davis: are much better than that.
55:20
Lisa Nichols: Oh, thank you so much.
55:22
Lisa Nichols: Thanks so much for making the time to be on the show, and I
55:24
Lisa Nichols: know how busy you are.
55:26
Lisa Nichols: We talked about that.
55:27
Lisa Nichols: You're crammed trying to get away to Greece.
55:30
Lisa Nichols: So No.
55:31
Lisa Nichols: I I
55:31
Lisa Davis: would I wouldn't miss it.
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Lisa Davis: It's it it was a absolute pleasure to talk with you, Lisa.
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Lisa Davis: Thank you so much for having me.
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Lisa Nichols: Very good.
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Lisa Nichols: Thank you.
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