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John Spencer · Not Another Football Podcast

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Not Another Football Podcast with myself,
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  Speaker 1: Simon Donley, and Jackie like the manner, and we're delighted
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: to have an old teammate of Earls.
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  Speaker 2: John Spencer is our next guest.
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  Speaker 3: Spend I'm good, guys, good, very good.
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  Speaker 4: I don't usually does I do the one S and
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  Speaker 4: N and it's kind of a more recent I don't
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  Speaker 4: usually do because get I don't like talking with myself.
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  Speaker 3: Since it's used to And you know, I've got a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Of respect, a lot of time for you both, and
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  Speaker 4: that's why thanks.
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  Speaker 3: For the end.
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  Speaker 5: People ask me like, who's the funniest for me? You're
• 0:35
  Speaker 5: the funniest player I've played me Rejake, sim do.
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  Speaker 2: You see you're up there with me as well?
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  Speaker 3: Really, I don't have to take that as a compliment.
• 0:44
  Speaker 4: I know one thing that the last time I get
• 0:46
  Speaker 4: close this close to Jackie, he took he took a.
• 0:49
  Speaker 3: Dive on the pitch.
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  Speaker 4: I got a red card and a four game suspension
• 0:52
  Speaker 4: to a grand fine. And Simon says that you're paying
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  Speaker 4: to fine the days that's I remember that you did
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  Speaker 4: die men and you couldn't tell the truth.
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  Speaker 5: No, my recollection, I've need to look it back and
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  Speaker 5: what year were talking, because that is ninety eight, two
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  Speaker 5: thousand and Martin Neil was a manager.
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  Speaker 4: It must have been one of my last games before
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  Speaker 4: I went to the States, because I like you and
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  Speaker 4: the thing I never pridedly fine in the SVA, so.
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  Speaker 3: Getting what you mean in the club.
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  Speaker 5: Because I remember the time you try to tip my
• 1:28
  Speaker 5: head off with an elbow and I thought, I thought
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  Speaker 5: we had got on really well.
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  Speaker 4: We spending and we must have been two of the
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  Speaker 4: smallest guys that practice. I've never stood five secs and elbows.
• 1:38
  Speaker 4: Some usually catch people in the chest, you know, went
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  Speaker 4: So it must have been the second video on the pitch, mate,
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  Speaker 4: I've caught you in the gid. But there's no way
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  Speaker 4: I caught you, mate. When I seen your line of
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  Speaker 4: ground rolling a bit, I was looking for blood.
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  Speaker 3: There was nothing there. So disappointed, But listen, lifelong friends.
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  Speaker 2: And that was, by the way.
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  Speaker 4: That's two teammates as well as Scotland before that obviously.
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  Speaker 2: But when you cross that white liner.
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  Speaker 4: Were you in the twenty ones when I was in
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  Speaker 4: the nationally too? I think you're a bit younger men.
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  Speaker 5: I'm fifty six, I'm fifty three. A couple of months.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think he was part of the under
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  Speaker 4: twenty ones. Were you in the same squad as Paul Hartley? Now?
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  Speaker 5: Then no, I was after he's a wee bit younger
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  Speaker 5: again and it helped, so I was hardly's a wee
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  Speaker 5: bit you hardly will be. He waved at four or
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  Speaker 5: five years younger and me, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think, yeah, I remember one of the squads. I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: that was doing it.
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  Speaker 4: True in I was three, sat having a conversation about
• 2:32
  Speaker 4: football outside the hotel and I thought it was I thought.
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  Speaker 1: It was part of remember the trun thing. I remember,
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  Speaker 1: this is what sticks in my head. So we were we.
• 2:41
  Speaker 4: Were invited for dinner, some sort of meal at the
• 2:45
  Speaker 4: golf club and there was a few kind of I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if it was the captain of the club
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  Speaker 4: or whatever, and they were asking you if you'd played
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  Speaker 4: we played through, John, if we played through and join
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  Speaker 4: and you just shot the guide the fucking I would
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  Speaker 4: over agree with a quad something along the lines, and
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  Speaker 4: just I just didn't know how to do. I think
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  Speaker 4: there was a lot of people then my lack of
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  Speaker 4: a diligence selfly showed through it.
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  Speaker 3: Coversation did. But yeah, it's lessened life change.
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  Speaker 4: When you're a young footballer coming from Glasgow, everything's about
• 3:18
  Speaker 4: of laughing a joke and there's probably certain times that
• 3:20
  Speaker 4: I probably should bear a joke. And there was a
• 3:23
  Speaker 4: certain times Jackie mentioned earlier about coming back favors at
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  Speaker 4: Moto and I think I talked my way, you're getting
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  Speaker 4: another international.
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  Speaker 3: Cap, but it was at your last cap. I think
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  Speaker 3: it was you know what, I kind of a.
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  Speaker 2: Nine.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody disrespectful to anybody you were playing. I was
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  Speaker 4: playing every week in the Premiership and I was under
• 3:41
  Speaker 4: Glenn Glenn Hodo and Peter Shreeves at Chelsea and I
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  Speaker 4: love the way they did things, of the why they
• 3:47
  Speaker 4: wanted to play. They got the body and in they passed,
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  Speaker 4: and it was always felt that was that was my
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  Speaker 4: type of football.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't there a four four.
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  Speaker 4: Two guy where you knocked at all your flackorns and
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  Speaker 4: stuff that I didn't enjoy that type of game, so
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  Speaker 4: I'm glai. Then he changed it to three four three,
• 4:02
  Speaker 4: and then when you would get up to play with
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  Speaker 4: Scotland it was four four two and the message and
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  Speaker 4: I'm not defending I don't want to speak badly any
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  Speaker 4: coaching but that you're just looking at going. The message was, listen,
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  Speaker 4: you know what your socks are for sixty five minutes,
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  Speaker 4: will sub you it, We'll get somebody else on. So
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  Speaker 4: I was like, the first couple of caps I got, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm buying into that. Right, you're playing for your contrac.
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  Speaker 4: You're on a built a madman and you get subbed
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  Speaker 4: out and then the guy gets subbed then scores.
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  Speaker 3: It going you're kind of gone, just running. He center
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  Speaker 3: backs ragged and the silk comes on, he gets the headlines.
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  Speaker 4: You're kind of going nah. And I remember going to
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  Speaker 4: Molt and I think it was a similar type situation.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if I get injured.
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  Speaker 3: I was over there.
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  Speaker 4: Training or whatever, and I was thinking to myself, this
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  Speaker 4: is just no working for me. I always felt that
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  Speaker 4: if I was going to way through my wife and
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  Speaker 4: my kids, I had to.
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  Speaker 3: Be for something that I was massively enjoying.
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  Speaker 4: I think with Glenn Hoddle and Peter Seves at Chelsea,
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  Speaker 4: I loved what they were trying to do. I love
• 4:55
  Speaker 4: getting into training every day because it was just football
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  Speaker 4: for age. Would you have been in the ninety seven
• 5:00
  Speaker 4: that twenty seven that's still young, Yeah, yeah, twenty seven.
• 5:03
  Speaker 3: I just wasn't enjoying my football.
• 5:05
  Speaker 4: And somebody asked me us a couple weeks ago, like
• 5:08
  Speaker 4: you like you Rangers frying growing up? And I was
• 5:10
  Speaker 4: like no, I was a Celti fun like why did
• 5:12
  Speaker 4: you sign for Rangers? And I was like I was
• 5:16
  Speaker 4: enjoying it and Celtic the Celtic scouts a couple of
• 5:20
  Speaker 4: times you came to me after it. I was training
• 5:21
  Speaker 4: at Rangers. Then I signed and I like joy to
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  Speaker 4: come me Celty and I was like, well I'm at Rangers.
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  Speaker 4: And one of the scouts say to me listen, so
• 5:27
  Speaker 4: and I get fifteen John Spencer's it's Celtic yeah, And
• 5:30
  Speaker 4: I was like, well, you know I need a sixteenth thing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I was always kind of a I came for
• 5:35
  Speaker 4: the Gorbos. I came up through a single parent whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I was.
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  Speaker 4: Always could handle myself rough and ready. Probably hope my
• 5:40
  Speaker 4: move too much at times killed me at times. But
• 5:43
  Speaker 4: I always felt that I spoke the truth and it
• 5:45
  Speaker 4: was transparent with people. What age were you when you
• 5:47
  Speaker 4: signed the Rangers? Then I went in at twelve. John
• 5:50
  Speaker 4: care who owned a garage and it pays the road west.
• 5:55
  Speaker 4: He had connections with Jack Gillespie, the old Rangers director.
• 5:59
  Speaker 4: I played in Glasgow and I to boys club and
• 6:01
  Speaker 4: they he asked, after playing a few games, letters and
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  Speaker 4: when you committed to Rangers, and I was like yeah,
• 6:06
  Speaker 4: and I was thinking about on the drive here I
• 6:08
  Speaker 4: was going to They ask me this question. And for
• 6:11
  Speaker 4: me it was always about just played when I just
• 6:13
  Speaker 4: wanted to play. And even when I left Chelsea it
• 6:16
  Speaker 4: was because Rude started doing that squad rotation thing and
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I just wanted to play. I didn't
• 6:23
  Speaker 4: want to sit in the bench for two games a month,
• 6:26
  Speaker 4: you know, I just wanted to do it for starting games,
• 6:29
  Speaker 4: finishing games ninety minutes. Platy, you get injured, platy, you
• 6:33
  Speaker 4: lose form, you're on the bench and in the stand,
• 6:35
  Speaker 4: then you go again. And that was that was me
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  Speaker 4: throughout my career. Really, Like the only reason I never
• 6:40
  Speaker 4: never went to Celtic wasn't it because I didn't support
• 6:42
  Speaker 4: Celtia or I didn't like Celti.
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  Speaker 3: It's just I was it Rangers. I loved there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they treated me ever so well and I didn't
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  Speaker 4: think about Catholic bodies and it was just about football.
• 6:51
  Speaker 4: Who was the manager then when they signed me John
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  Speaker 4: Greg yeah, because I was like twelve thirteen, so they
• 6:58
  Speaker 4: wanted to sign me. And then it was I was
• 7:02
  Speaker 4: too young for the S form and maybe I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I guess they used to sign S forms and put
• 7:07
  Speaker 4: them in the drawer right. Well, they never did that.
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  Speaker 4: We mean that one day. One day they called me in.
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  Speaker 3: Me and my mom Mo went into the stadium and
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  Speaker 3: I thought I was going to send an S.
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  Speaker 4: Form and they were like, listen, the religious thing and
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  Speaker 4: all that, and we do why.
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  Speaker 3: To put you under pressure?
• 7:21
  Speaker 4: And I walked to the club and I was like
• 7:23
  Speaker 4: in twelve year old and I was like, that's so
• 7:24
  Speaker 4: I'm going to Dundee United. So I was training with
• 7:26
  Speaker 4: Day the same because I was trained Dune United. I
• 7:28
  Speaker 4: think it was like Wednesday. Rangers was like Monday. Shend
• 7:30
  Speaker 4: with my club last we united during the week the
• 7:33
  Speaker 4: other nights. And then I was like, I've got to
• 7:34
  Speaker 4: Dundee United. So we didn't have house phone, so I
• 7:36
  Speaker 4: went to my Mynie Suss, picked up the phone, phoned
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  Speaker 4: the Dundee United scouted a time, couldn't get audio, must scouting,
• 7:44
  Speaker 4: And I said to his mys Caesar at his moment
• 7:46
  Speaker 4: at the I was like, listen, tell me phone when
• 7:48
  Speaker 4: they get in. So Rangers had obviously thought about my
• 7:50
  Speaker 4: reaction because I was in tears leaving the stadium. They
• 7:53
  Speaker 4: must have thought, listen, you get this kid tied up whatever.
• 7:56
  Speaker 4: So I think I went back and signed the s form,
• 7:58
  Speaker 4: put it in the drawer, and then Dunde united phone
• 8:00
  Speaker 4: saying listen, what's the problem.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, listen, you missed, mister chance. That's
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: how I went.
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  Speaker 4: And then obviously soon As came in at that time, yeah,
• 8:08
  Speaker 4: took over at Rangels.
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: Run about is that run a bit of.
• 8:12
  Speaker 4: Time viewer right after Mexico clocking with the team, but
• 8:15
  Speaker 4: you run about the first team they made that That
• 8:17
  Speaker 4: was the first year soon As came in. It was
• 8:19
  Speaker 4: the first year as a professional for me.
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  Speaker 3: I loved him.
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  Speaker 4: He was absolute legend, just the rory of the man
• 8:26
  Speaker 4: when he walked through the stadium, the corridors, the corridors
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  Speaker 4: shook supreme physical condition.
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  Speaker 3: And I was always intrigued beforeign football, so.
• 8:35
  Speaker 4: Like seeing the shape of them and all that you know,
• 8:37
  Speaker 4: and always asking him questions about serie and stuff. And
• 8:40
  Speaker 4: I remember the conversation walking back through the training room
• 8:42
  Speaker 4: one day and I was holding the balls and if
• 8:43
  Speaker 4: we got two bags of balls over my shoulders and
• 8:46
  Speaker 4: we're walking and you.
• 8:47
  Speaker 3: All said the shots rolled up was a challenge.
• 8:49
  Speaker 4: I remember, and when the shots rolled up back in
• 8:51
  Speaker 4: the day and I walked back and I'm thinking, it
• 8:53
  Speaker 4: is this funk, I'm got to take one of these
• 8:55
  Speaker 4: bags of ball many killing me And he must have
• 8:57
  Speaker 4: been going on, I'm no caring for this.
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: I was carrying these two boys. I don't remember sending
• 9:02
  Speaker 3: him about.
• 9:03
  Speaker 4: You know, Serie, I played Sam Dori and stuff, and
• 9:05
  Speaker 4: it's like Great League and the football, the culture totally differently.
• 9:09
  Speaker 4: He said to me, listen to man, if you ever
• 9:11
  Speaker 4: get the chance to go, so always stuck in my mind,
• 9:14
  Speaker 4: if I get the chance to go and play in Europe,
• 9:16
  Speaker 4: I would I would take it.
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  Speaker 3: But the opportunity never came.
• 9:18
  Speaker 4: And then how long after that did it? You kind
• 9:21
  Speaker 4: of broke around about the first team. I think always
• 9:24
  Speaker 4: the problem, to be honest with you, I never they
• 9:26
  Speaker 4: never wanted to put me in because of the Catholic Protestants.
• 9:30
  Speaker 4: And if I'm being honest with you, because I remember
• 9:32
  Speaker 4: me and Swiggy we went to play.
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: I think it was Hibbs reserves of similar age.
• 9:38
  Speaker 4: I mean Swiggy grew up through Rangers, Amateurs, Scotland school
• 9:41
  Speaker 4: boys and stuff like that, so we were kind of
• 9:42
  Speaker 4: like the two young strikers at the club.
• 9:44
  Speaker 3: It to him.
• 9:45
  Speaker 4: I always remember we went to Hibbs Easter Road resis
• 9:48
  Speaker 4: Friday night and they come in before the game.
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: I was the gaffer.
• 9:51
  Speaker 4: Walter came in and they're like money matching night, whoever
• 9:55
  Speaker 4: it is be on the bench for a first team more.
• 9:58
  Speaker 4: And I was saying, oh my god, what an opportunity.
• 10:00
  Speaker 4: Someone who played really, really well, scored a couple, sat,
• 10:03
  Speaker 4: a couple come in and I was waiting, waiting for
• 10:06
  Speaker 4: the tart, waiting for the tart, and maybe they said nothing.
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: Swig he was on the bench next day and I
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: was like, fuck, you know what I mean. It was
• 10:13
  Speaker 3: like got clipping the balls? Really, you know it?
• 10:16
  Speaker 4: So I always memember thinking I'm going to get an opportunity,
• 10:18
  Speaker 4: and I remember being McCall came to me. He's like me, man,
• 10:20
  Speaker 4: you should have you should have got the opportunity to
• 10:22
  Speaker 4: be on the bench the first team.
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: So it never happens. It wasn't. I think it might
• 10:27
  Speaker 4: have been. I'm looked saying it was a Catholic position.
• 10:29
  Speaker 4: I think it could have been. They will just try to.
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: Protect me from that situation, you know what I mean.
• 10:34
  Speaker 4: And and then I obviously got my opportunity, and I'm
• 10:38
  Speaker 4: trying to think. I played in a European game against
• 10:40
  Speaker 4: Valletta Fimoto, and I played a couple of games.
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: So family and et cetera.
• 10:44
  Speaker 4: Never made a lot of appearances, probably be made maybe
• 10:47
  Speaker 4: ten or twelve, but just came to a stage in
• 10:51
  Speaker 4: my career where I was like McCoy's hat Lee Johnston
• 10:54
  Speaker 4: three the best in Europe at that time, and I
• 10:57
  Speaker 4: never have a gonny breakthrough and it's not really changing.
• 11:00
  Speaker 4: Think about how hard is it for young SEALTI players,
• 11:02
  Speaker 4: younger and just plus to break in it the first
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: team now, so there's so much demand.
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: And presciently strikers you don't really in recent times, it's
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: not really been anybody that can anybody that's come in
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: and like held the position and took the position instead.
• 11:16
  Speaker 4: So for me, it was like I got to a
• 11:17
  Speaker 4: stage where I was like I need to go and
• 11:19
  Speaker 4: play because I went to Hong Kong and eighty nine
• 11:22
  Speaker 4: for a year. What was that brilliant brilliant.
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: You enjoyed that.
• 11:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, soon as came to me one day, I was
• 11:29
  Speaker 4: on fire and the reserves, like the reserve that what
• 11:32
  Speaker 4: wasn't dating me any good?
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: This was this was before you get in.
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  Speaker 3: This was when did Hong Kong get over? Eighty nine
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: n nineteen.
• 11:39
  Speaker 4: Eighty nine even there, I feel yea yeah. Nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 4: nine went out there playing a team called Li Son.
• 11:47
  Speaker 4: It was owned by the guy owned the team owned
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: like Lacoste rights in Asia, and then he did that
• 11:54
  Speaker 4: like kind of rapa version and they called it Crocodiles.
• 11:59
  Speaker 3: It was meant to it's crazy stuff.
• 12:01
  Speaker 4: Get that we get a game for We had Yeager
• 12:05
  Speaker 4: club suits, right, you sort you had to get into
• 12:07
  Speaker 4: the club shut and tie every day, right, So I
• 12:10
  Speaker 4: had been like Yeager suits, boss suits or whatever.
• 12:12
  Speaker 3: It was shut and tie every day to rangers.
• 12:14
  Speaker 4: All of a sudden, soon as she was like listen,
• 12:17
  Speaker 4: you're going to Hong Kong and I was like what
• 12:19
  Speaker 4: he go, yeah, you're not going to play here. They said,
• 12:21
  Speaker 4: Reserve it was doing any good. We're going to get
• 12:23
  Speaker 4: you on law into Hong Kong. And I was like,
• 12:24
  Speaker 4: what's that. He's like random and it's like somewhere you
• 12:28
  Speaker 4: have a connection with that, not like you think about
• 12:30
  Speaker 4: it now, like if someday comes you but al right,
• 12:31
  Speaker 4: you go out on your phone, google my apps whatever,
• 12:34
  Speaker 4: you know what it is.
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: I was like a clue. So fast forward. I'm out
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: in Hong Kong.
• 12:40
  Speaker 4: Get out there, and we're training and changing rooms like
• 12:44
  Speaker 4: a tenement building and downtown Hong Kong. That's places and
• 12:52
  Speaker 4: mingo in here, so like you got and it's like
• 12:57
  Speaker 4: three bedroom, four bedroom apartment.
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: I was standing up with the boys. Most of the team.
• 13:00
  Speaker 4: Boys stayed their bunk beds all over the place. Here's
• 13:04
  Speaker 4: your gear rolled up, and I'm thinking, my god, we
• 13:06
  Speaker 4: get a gear off folded at rangers and all that stuff.
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: What doing across the street Anty Happy Valley Racecourse? Then
• 13:13
  Speaker 4: with all the teams in the league trained inside the
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: racecourse because it was multiple football pitchers and so about
• 13:19
  Speaker 4: the first I don't know. I think must have been
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: in the first two weeks. I've been over there with
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: a ten on my pocket, right, I've been over there.
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: Nay money, I'm not going to get who was in
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: the team with me. Steve Wafford, big Wally was there.
• 13:34
  Speaker 4: He was the kind of big name English player they
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: signed and I was just let we rag him off
• 13:38
  Speaker 4: and they took it and j you know what meant.
• 13:40
  Speaker 4: So I went over there first ten twelve days, name
• 13:42
  Speaker 4: money whatever. Wally looked after me and eventually went to
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: the owners. She's listening, you need to pay me my salary.
• 13:47
  Speaker 4: I've get told I'm getting five on aquid a week,
• 13:50
  Speaker 4: whether it's tax free, give me more money. He's like, no, money,
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: come money, come tournament this weekend, money, come money, and
• 13:57
  Speaker 4: so we'll go claim this serving a side tournament.
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: The full size pitch and this big stadium in Hong
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: Kong is unbelievable. So I'm like, you know seven aside,
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: that's full pitch.
• 14:08
  Speaker 4: They're like, yeah, there's no off side. I said the boy,
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: just get a boy, just hump. I'll get on it
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: in fact, so sure enough, I'm standing happy. L like
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: one big stupid center center defender was at that age,
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: I was rapid quick, so they'd want to knock out
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: as I wanted one foot from the goal.
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: He goes, I's going back halfful of goals.
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: After the tournament Monday morning and I got to sit
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: to the owner, get me a flight, homemie Scotland.
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: I'm going home. This is why there's no money. I'm
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: not playing. I'm going home.
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: Go over the training. He's come running, big, heavy guy,
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: heavy guy. He's come runn He's got a brown Velo spencer,
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: it's a com calendar and got the pitch. He goes,
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: there's your money for the month. And I was like, all.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: Right, I'll stay.
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: So that was me again to the groove and I
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: eventually won the foreign played a year in the league, scored.
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: The barrelful of goals. It was they seven a side
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: off season was name the last game.
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: So one of the last games was Everton, right before
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: Itali united. So Everyton came over at end of the season
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: and we played them in a like a league selecting
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: versus Everton and scored a couple in the game finished
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: two two when then the penalty scored the penalty shootout,
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: and then after the game, Colin Harvey, the Evert manager,
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: seemingly bid for me.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: Then Walter turned it down. When you let me go?
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: So I came back to Rangers, and when I came
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: back it was so.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: That's that's when you get into the first movie. After
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: the Hong Kong.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: Episode, when I came back. It was a different animal.
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: I'd seen different culture and I had like seen successful
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: playing in front of twenty five thirty thousand every week.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: One we beat the big team. I think it was
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: like Hong Kong. I can't remember the big name at
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: that time, beating them in.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: The final scored the winner won.
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: That was Cup league, the fished sixteen teams. It was
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: a semi pro amagur thing. They police did the team
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: Hong Kong Police did a team in the league and
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: you played them. My god, I used to put it
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: unbelievable experience, but I came back for it. Yeah, And
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: I never touched alcohol when I came back, I thought
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: because over that was so hot and humid, and it
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: was like you drunk next to my full.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Days Robin drink over that yea.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: So I came back a completely different like person stayed
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: after drink, and I think within maybe four or five games,
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: I was getting into the first team.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: But still you had hate Lee McCoys and Johnson there.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: So then what happens for you after this thing? Because
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: you obviously traveled into London. How did that come about?
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: I played the first two reserve games of the season.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: And I think at that time Chelsea had Ken Bates,
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: the owner, had done a deal with David Murray to
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: rebuild Stamford Bridge, because I think Murdy at that time
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: a national metal so ken Bates told me the story.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: So I playing the resies, me and Swiggy. I think
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: the first game we play Saint Johnson and me Dermid
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: we beat them ten to nothing, scored six.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Second game we.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Play Hibbs at Ibrooks and the first team are obviously
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: playing away beating phone all scored three. And on the
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: Monday morning, I think Chelsea said the deal was with
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Chelse ken Bates told me was They said, listen, come up,
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: take such a big squad, the first team writing Ferguson's
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: or his boys, Peter Houstra, we're aking, and you know
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: the first team they want to reduced the wage ball.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: So I believe that the scout come up to watch
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: the games, watch the two reserve games, reported back to
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: ken Bates, who don't take any of the pros to
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: the boy, and I think they bought me for three
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: hundred grand and I went doing and we went on
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: a trip to La Half.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: It was like money. They kind of Chelsea La Half connections.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Right, and we went Chelsea on the first to visitors
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: point Chelsea in the Premier League.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: I tell you when I.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Went there, that was the first year of Sky Sports
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: took over nat too, and so they did the thing
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: with have and he told me that in an elevator
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: trip and down he goes.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: You're my player, they said, And I was like, how's that?
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: And he told me the story that they wanted me
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: to take these older, like first team players, and the
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: scouts said this and that, so to make sure you
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: did well for me and all this stuff.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, no problem.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: So when then a few years later they get a
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: new contract and I never agreed the deal. I came
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: out of the office and Bates he was sitting in
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: his office and he tapped him and he says, came here.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: I stopped my head and he goes, what did they
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: offer you? That says five a week. He says, get
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: six and a half.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Year lo And I turned in the deal and end
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: up got the money that bakes They told me that
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I get. So he looked at him.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Your times in Chelsea then, so you must have played
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: a few top players.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Was bullied there. It was that yeah, Craig. Me and
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Craig were in the regids for a long time. I went,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: there was he already there? Yeah, Greg been there. I
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: think Craig went, there's a young Scots doing.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: He went doing a or big copy was probably Hoppy
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: and Denny mckinnis came doing actually the same time.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course that.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, in that time it was all about pacing, power
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: and tackling, and Hoppy was tailor made.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: For that long throwing as well.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Hoppy was browing, man.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: He came down and at that time, I don't know
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: if you ever remember, they be kind of cotton shots
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: used to wear.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: We poking in the back. Yeah, so we're still wearing
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: there with Chelsea.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: We'll still wearing with Chelsea and be it ranges me
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: like the best, the best you had if you remember,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: they like he just equipment gear. Remember that it was
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: the Buyer Munich jersey with a few stripes and we'd
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: admir own training gear was amazing. And I remember getting
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: in the first day and only stuff and I was like,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: what was getting on here?
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Man? What have I come to?
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: And remember big Cascardino, she is the higher note range mate,
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: you know, And I was like it's mad.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: That's mad because you think that likes a Chelsea nowadays and.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: So big Hoppy and Derrick mckinness they came doing and
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: I can't remember that was my first year or maybe
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: second year, but they can doing Hoppy his brobing mate.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: It's like hot short Hamish. The picture of the picture
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: was like solid copies. You get big aluminium screw, pure
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: mustard belting.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Down the way. I remember I'm shooting kind of teeth
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: take his teeth up before and he's shooting his list.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: And I was like, oh my god. They didn't know
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: how to take them. They couldn't understand me. They certainly
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: couldn't understand that. And the eventually they signed them, they said,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: and then it was obviously a cultural midfield player when
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: he came doing, you know, I think he ended up.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I think he went back to what and then end
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: up went to Rangers Rangels After that, who was the man?
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Is it that Chilsea?
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Then I think it might have been in Portfield Field
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: and then with Dane Portfield and then he left and
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: then they brought Dave Webbing and Dave Webb.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I'll never forget it.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: He pulled me and he was like listen, I don't
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: like wee players just so we get more time. And
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: he goes, I don't like we players at all, So
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: I like bad guys. And he was a manager of
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: South End. It was like back to front foot. Remember
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: he was chelseason maybe it was in nineteen seventy or
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: seventy one. F he cut winning captain right and so
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: I don't like wee players, this says, But they tell
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: me you can finish, he said, So if you get
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: an opportunity, he says, finish. I was like, sorry, all
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: I want is the opportunity. So first four or five
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: games didn't he happened. Then I got an opportunity to
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: score goals in the team and that was me to
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: end of the season. And then they brought Glenn Hoddle
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: and it was like changed.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Then he changed.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Then he changed right away from me. Glenn made a
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: couple of signings and I was scoring in the resies
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: regular and I always remember my remit was when it
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: wasn't he working out for me? And I knew I
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: was there a training a little base because I was
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: a good trainer, yea. And for me playing in the
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Regies wasn't a problem. Was a problem for a lot
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: of people. I grew up playing in the reserves. We
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: were rangels, so I didn't care where I was playing,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: at Kingstonians or half a Bridge. I was like, get
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: my football school, yeah you know. And I always remember
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I started getting we bit rowdy and I always I
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: was shouting at it. Tell my boy, don't come fucking
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: asking for my goals at Christmas time when you're fighting relegation.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: And I'd shouted walking through the corridors and the doors
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: were shut to the gaffer's office and that the doors
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: would shut.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: And sure enough they came asking for my goals.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Runn about Christmas time when they were struggling and I
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: got in the team scored at Sheffild Wednesday way in
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: the FA Cup replay, and then we went to the
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: FA Cup final and that was me and the team
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: back in the team I was paying in the ass.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: I'm the first one I meet it. I was uncoachable
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: at times. Un coach will probably something to do with
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: my upbringing. I always like, as I said, I came
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: up through a single parent family and always managed myself.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: So I was like I was like the Sun and
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Glenn because I was like, how he has.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Glenn kept the teammated like City. Yeah, for months.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: I was at the team for months and Sheffie wentz
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: the wear in the cup and then we get in,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: we go on a run, we get battled with Man
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: United in the fause.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: I really enjoyed working under him. When I went to Wolves,
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: I thought he was the way ahead of these years
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: football wise, how he wanted to play and I know
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: the other ones that he may be not handle sitting individuals,
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I think he liked being
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: the obviously the main man, but he could still do
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: it as well, couldn't.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: He was unlable because he used to join. Yeah, I
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: used to join in the training. I don't know if
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: he did that Wolves, and I always remember.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: They're still he's still playing. Was he still?
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Manager.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: I was never one for like juggling with the ball
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: like see the the world, balancing it by your head.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: I used to I was like, you never use that
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: shit in the game, you know what I mean. I
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: was like a control past move and anyway Glenn came
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: in and Glenn, I don't know if he did this
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: up move Jackie, but a lot in the first fifteen
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: twenty minutes of training any times was technical work.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't mind doing the vall. He's not that. It
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: was like controlling the left like at the Rain. I
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: was going and every day you.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Go eat partner up and I'm like, but spending you
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: coming me? I'm sure this guy's day nisty pistage, you
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. So anyway, I became, I became
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: a better I became a better footballer for a working
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: room and I'll never forget it. He pulled me one
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: day and I don't know if I was getting to Massadi,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: they're probably going to Massordid, but pre game in the dressroom,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: I was one of the annoying fucking players. Right there
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: was loud and and it was laughing, you know what
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, And probably some guys were. He was probably saying,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: this guy's get me a fucking headache before the game,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? And he pulled me
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: on a Monday morning and he was like and the
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: way he explained it, it kind of a it just
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: hit home and he was like, you know what, I've
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: like watched you for a number of weeks. It said
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: you've got some talent, it's but see you use all
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: your mental energy before the game, he goes, and you're
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: geting into the pitch and I don't see as effective
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: as you could be.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Its dami a favor. It is Leicster this weekend. This
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: is at home.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: You're going to start, he says, saying nothing before the game,
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: almost meditate right, I was.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Try to help me. You Ca'm done. I thought, you
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: know that. I remember sitting by like I'm going to
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: start the slashing against the wall before games.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Before the game was started, I thought myself, you know,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: let see if I maybe don't take his advice, I
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: might end up with the team.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: And I've worked hard to try and get in. So
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: I sat there and I was like, all right, man,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: remember sitting.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Going okay, just focus in the game. Just what you're
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: going to take control. I get it first, simple and
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: the game ellie, I mean minute and a half, score ahead,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: score again, set up one.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: I come off, we's cut a point.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: And he says to me, told you and I changed
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: for that day on and did it from my whole career,
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: and I mean the whole career you finished. Yeah, And
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: I was the one for sitting earphones on, like playing
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: music and all that. I just used to go for
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: whistle goes, get on the ball as quick as you
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: can control it. Simple, simplify the game, keep bill confidence,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: et cetera.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: And it stuck with me. T retired at thirtyfoone. It's
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: amazing that did he bring Yeah he did make Yeah
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: rude was unbelievable football.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Through that time. Then you must have played with huge there.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: I know you. Parker was the yeah, yeah, top players.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: I look back even at Rangers and you go Sooners, Walkins,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: hate Lee Johnson. Marris Johnson was the creamery crop. Honestly
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: had everything. He was unbelievable in their three size left foot,
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: right foot, just he didn't you eat everything. It was
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: a complete fowoard. He was probably more unselfish than koysty
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Koisty was like a supreme goal scorers. But I think
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: if you re turnround and say who was the best
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: all round at the three, I would probably say, yeah, yeah,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: he was magnificent. So I look at the look at
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: the Empy right and you're going, yeah, Ray Wilkins as
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: soon as Butcher like legends in the game, right.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: And then I go down to Chelsea and you're going
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Sparky Zola. So really you know to be Honestly, I.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Look back and I was actually blessed to play with
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: some unbelievablelayers. Dan Petrescu. Dam Petresco made me so many
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: chances and goals. He was one of the best fullbacks.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: I thinks every.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Blessed, which obviously I look back and certain guys that
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I've played with and I regard myself the same. But
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: you've actually the longevity there despite all the players coming,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: you still held your own in that team.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: I think that it changed when right after the ninety
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: six Euros the club changed. That's when like they were
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: really looking to bring in elite footballers. Right if Yale
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: came in, Zola him in and Zola I remember first
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: his tray and I always felt I was kind of decent.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: But if you put me in the right system, I
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: could play. If you're playing as a CGL at four
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: folto just you wouldn't see me. I wasn't effective. You
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: put me in at the seven or the eleven position.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Ten whatever I can link up, I can control, I
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: can see passes and stuff like the quickest in the world.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: But you're looking at I remember Zola cam In and
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: we played eleven v. Eleven.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I went in there as he's he was one of
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: the front two. And they took three kicks playing a
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: game and read calls a foul to a free kick.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Ben it's a crop top of the cross, bargains over
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: to another one, bends at the top quality, another one
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: keeper polls off of world.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: They take another one scores and.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: I've got the holy less guys like elite, elite football.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: And he was the same height as me and the
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: nicest guy that you could ever meet. And I remember
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: sitting and talked to for I was about stretching and
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: the preparation and how he eats, and my god, the
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: guy wasn't he only wasn't he just one of the
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: best footballs in Europe at the time. Was just like
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: as a human being, he was unbelievable guy. So I'll
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: look back and I go gez Man coming through backingf
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: playing like big games, playing all the big stadiums, played
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: better players that I kind of ever dreamed about playing
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: way And that's how I feel blessed about my my
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: career side.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Did you hold Zola is the best of the buncher?
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I think I think like individual talent, he was absolutely incredible,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: but he couldn't play as a six. Rud could play
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: as a sweeper. In the world class, you could put
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: them right back. The better on Kyle Walker, you could
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: put left. He could play anywhere in the in the
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: on the pitch. In the world class we played. I
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: was at Liverpool think it was Liverpool and a cup
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: and he started as a sweeper right and we went,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: they went go. I was on the bench and they
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: went a couple of goals behind, and then he put
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: them up front as a striker, change the game. You're
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: kind of this guy's like six foot four and his
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: knees was shot. I remember, I'm kind of getting his
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: knees clicked, like before training in the morning, and he
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: was only a pitch and you're going, this guy is
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: just And that's what you talk about when you had
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: if you're an honest player, if you're an honest player,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: like I was going to come off a really good
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: season a half at Chelsea and I was felt I
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: was one of the men players there.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: And then when you bring that like Zola and pull
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: it and you kind of got mm hm.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: You kind of find your level your mind, you kind
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: of go, I'm no really anywhere near that quality. But
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: that's why these guys have been playing and selling. Had
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: one balling doors and one European Cups.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: You know what.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: A minute's kind of a it's a great leveler in
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: your mind where you kind of brings you down a
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: begg or two.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: But as I said, nothing but admiration for them as
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: he took over, eventually didn't they were you still there? Then?
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: He was the one that I've seen the podcast before,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: but mess me about a couple of times we went
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: and played at Bolton. I was always a guy that
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: you get the best do to me by going listen,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: here's what I rate you, Here's what I think you're
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: going to day in on the pitch for us, here's
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: your role. I would go, then, no, I don't want
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: to play one game a month. I'm getting I'm out
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: here a way to go or about it? Right?
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Okay? So he would.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: He was that kind of manager where you play a
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Living via Living a Friday. She's right, okay, Remember we
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: play bolting Away. I scored bolting Away. We come back,
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: we're playing Spots on the Saturday and it's like Friday
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: pregame prep Living via Living. I'm flying a book I
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: can create a couple of goal for sparkying the eleven
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: v eleven against the reserves as what we need.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: That's me.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: You go in there, your teacher shut You'll think you're
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: shut half, you're tie half. You're kind of look at
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: the team in the boone and you're going where I
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: spenny number. So, but I'm on, I don't want to
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: swear on the podcast, but I'm kind of going, that's
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: this is. I just don't think that's where you treat players, right,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I don't. So I went to see I was like,
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: that's you're not going anywhere. And that's when I started singing,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: like please release me, let me go. They talked my voice.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: That week, I came back it again for the Gorbos
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: and just caused mayhem upon mayhem and he kind of
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: treated me poorly, and I was like, I remember one
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: of my last meetings.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: I went into him. I said to him, rude, listen,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: you're going to being so disrespectful me.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: You need to let me go. You're not going anywhere.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: I said, well, listen, here here's how it is. This
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: is how it's going to get down. I'll see your
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: team on a Friday. I'm going to release your team
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: to repress.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: You don't let me go.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: He said that, because it's like, you're not going to
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: ruin my career. I worked so hard to get it
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: in that position. As I said, you're all I want
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: is respect, Yeah, disrespect. I think it's the best way
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: to be as a manager, and I was as a
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: coach and MLS myself it's like, you're no going to
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: it's not going to fit for you here, but I'm
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: going to have it. I can to get you to
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: your city, to a team that you want to go
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: to where you want to go. And that's how I worked.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Were the players that I walked to we in America
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: when I was the head coach at the Portland Timber.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: So that for me, I was like, listen this, I'm
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: at my happiest as a human being as a player
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: when I'm playing right. So at that time, Strasbourg came
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: in for me and I was thinking, what are you
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: going to play? And in France to be brilliant, QPR
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: bid more money.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: I ended up. I went to QPR and I was
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: just shut the door and the doors.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: Did that kind of Dutch way as well, that sometimes
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: they're communication, you know.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: I think that arrogant.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: I think I've seen them and as I say, yeah,
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: think that man management let him do. And I think
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: it showed that at Newcastle when he went and he
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: kind of tried to make a point where allan share
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: that's right, right, rude, he could He's seen the name.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: He was a very very good coach.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I've seen him making tactical substitutions and that you've got
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: one fair playmate, that's I think you see what you
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: were then there and worked too and the team won.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: So I tipped my hat after you as a tactical coach.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: The thing that let him do was mad management and
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: I think that to be.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I do you think that is?
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that is it possible? I mean,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't have the answer to you. I've
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: got to the answer to it.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: I'm going to throw it back to you and say,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: is it possible that you become that good a footballer
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: that you can almost look and doing people in a
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: sense that the hare knows And then when you try
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: to explain, you'd maybe not get the point across, or
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: it's like I need to get the point across because
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: I'm so.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: A better level. I've thought that, like growing up, like
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: Doug Leash was my hero, and I always said, like
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: I walked under Kenny Itseltic and I thought he'd be like,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: we're shite.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: I mean we took off with John Barnes, but he
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: was a complete opposite. He's like encouraging and you know,
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: praising and stuff like that, and he took us to
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: the end of that season before Matt and Eel come in.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: But when I worked with Glenn Hoddle, who was arguably
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: one of a top top player as well. He worked
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: under Glenn, but Glenn, for me, was very frustrated. Maybe
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: bit's because we were doing set PCEs or you know
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: with Paulins and dan anderm that we stood in the
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: set pieces and he would just go right and then
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: you're going and get the bond Doty sell.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: So it was like a frustration, Yeah, because I can
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I can relate to that.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, But I thought he was way ahead of his time,
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: how he wanted to play, how he wanted to do things.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: But the communication side of it with some of them
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: and putting that across, but he could still do it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: We're both feet it was.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: It was class but Kenny was class as well.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I always find that the best ones that I've
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: came across or something, the most humblest human beings, like
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: do you look at really you look you're going It's like, yeah,
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: them two boys. I remember sitting on the coach going.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: I used to watch that as it was it Gazette
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: on the Saturday and then I'm going, I remember this
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: week like running Riot and palm Ohama, you know, and
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: like Vialley all superstars, superstars and when you spoke to them,
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: just you and don't yeah, like individuals and the song
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: great experience for me coming from a Rackon for to you.
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: Burley would have been in it as well. It was
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: rumored to be coming to Celtic. Remember that was when
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: we dr.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: I nearly went a couple of times.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was my son Brad, I was doing my
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: missus was getting into hospital appointment doing in London and
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: came back out.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: My mother Love was sitting there. She was like, Tommy
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Bums has been on the form. Was it really?
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: She said you have to call him back. So I
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: phoned the number back and it was to be here.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: I spoke to them and he's like would you come?
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: And I was like listen.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: If it's you can get something older would be one
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: hundred percent okay coming, So I'm going to rewind back.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: I was walking through glass weareport. One time Tommy was
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: under twenty one manager. Think Tommy took a couple of
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: games or twenty one's at one time.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I was run a bit of time and that I think.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: We went to Copenhagen and we're walking through and I
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: checked in at the same time as him and said Hi.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Obviously I'd spoke to Hi when he was a command
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: that manager, give me a kit. That actually give me
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: a tip during the game. One time we were playing
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: four four two long ball. He has me turned and
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: running hate lya thinking on and then he's standing over
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: the ball, wasn't it Tommy Buns.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: He was playing manager.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: I think you're killing You can off a half timus
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: list and stopped turning your back and the ball, and
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: I was like, that's pretty cool, you know what I mean,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: like oposing manager.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: If I don't if I don't turn my back, I
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: collected in a score and I beat his team.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: He talked the talk about humility, but partomise Tommy Bun.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Jimmy I grew up as I said, I grew up
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: like watching Celtic Point. They taught me bones and guys
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: deaby prove ands.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: And you know, just like Charlie. Nickluss was one of
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: my heros. When I had hair, I had the long
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: hair with it permanent back and all that. So back.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: He told me like walking through Glasgow Port and he
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: said to h to come with Celti part and I was,
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's just a place because the
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: press for everywhere, and he goes, would you come, and
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: I said, of course I would.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: I would love to come plan under you. You know.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: I had a lot of a lot of respect for
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: him as a as a player. And then is what
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: he does a Silkie manager. And I think they bid,
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: they bid for me and Chelsea turned down the bid
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: say it wasn't enough. I think Hugh Kevans tells it
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: a be a bit differently. He said it was doctor Joe.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: That was never the case. I'd never he he hanged.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: He comes out and says something along like my rat
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: check John Spencer and ha ha ha that's how that goes.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: And I'm going, sorry, you're gonna get a three different
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: times you got spat so I nearly went twice and
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: so it wasn't the doctor Joe Tak. I nearly went
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: under Tommy, and then Martin sent Steve Wolferd to watch
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: me playing for Mother Will, and I think Steve was
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: pushing for it, but they were looking for a wide
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: right ish and they end up signing, was it d
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: D a guard hat and you.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Actually run?
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: I could run for halfway ninety eighteen yard box. I
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: couldn't go box the box, the box, that's what you
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: were looking for.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: Then I was find there was a say kind of striker.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: But then since I was playing wing back at that
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: point and I get injured the way with Scotland and
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: San Marino, and then he tried day and the weekend
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: one at home and that was.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: That flying ship. They liked his, you know, so I
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: can listen, I would that would have been maps.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Can you remember who was drinking when TV was looking
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: at you can remember who they was vanoid on and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: that they're already did you been compete for them?
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Can you mind that?
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: And maybe just because he was getting on your thoment
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: and then tom maybe what about.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: That time, as I said, the conversation was had and
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: I enjoyed playing. You know, Tommy coach.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: They played the why Tommy play. He was a cultured
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: midfield player. It's just a shame you look at guys
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: like him, Paul Miksteak. Imagine if he had then Paul Stay.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: You know, they called him the Micero thirty five forty
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: years ago, you know, and you look now you're gone.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: He's thirty five million, forty million pound midfield player, goalscoring
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: midfield you know, but before.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: He had numbers a six ten midfielder when you're a midfielder, yeah,
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: I mean it's the same in today's football, Like what
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: would you class Lampard? Yeah, but he could do the
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: whole pits, you.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Know what I mean? It was a midfielder. I believe that.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Roy wasn't believe what I believe Lampard is the high
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: school scored on. Chelsea's history is exactly just incredible, mate,
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: you know, great finishing.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: So you go to America, Yeah, and you're talking about
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: all these managers I had to deal with yourself as
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: a player.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Did you find the transition pretty simple gunto management?
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: What they're doing here coaching wise with players that were
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: then in America in two thousand and I'm talking about
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: man management.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: It's advanced, different culture. Yeah, America was brought for me.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Like I remember pat Vincent that to making back and
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: I did something at Chelsea when he's like, we're doing
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Chelsea TV and at halftime he.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Says, you really changed as a person.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: I was like, you're so calm because me and him
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: putting together as the chief executive player chief exact.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: I mean like so, I mean part was a very
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: kind of a it's the same spinning yeah, mean battle
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: jock and cheese.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Part was like.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: I was like that the street Numpty you know in
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: part with came in like dressed in the paper under
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: his arm and I would freaking terrorized part and the
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: boys were going, why is the chief one?
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: When he stands in the dress?
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: You terrorized Alec Miller.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: A terrorizing go on? You remember, I'm thinking it was
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: mot was your last trip might have been his last
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: trap was in Japan?
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: Did you know in Japan or I must I'm sure
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: it was Motor I'm sure it was one of your
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: last trips with Scotland. It might have been because of that, Yeah,
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: because Alex said big balls.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Can we talk about on your wife?
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: But He's like, no, you're looking there and he's going
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: fucking Health and Spain. He is like, fuck me, I
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: like you you're saying with everybody else in the dress
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: room was saying fuck me, Alex says, your boss on
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: a fucking space.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Hop played the doctor Fount. He pleaded, he took it.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: He's like driving you s funk off.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: That's why he probably because it was rattling against his appreciates.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: It was more than that was his last cat.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I always remember like we went to Japan. I felt terrible.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Paul Lambert, man, he had these We went to Japan's.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: An under twenty three strip before the it was his
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: summer before the Euros. I'm sure it was the summer
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: before the Euros. Paul Lambert obviously, I think he just
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: won the Champions Champions League. So Paul get brought in
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: and it was like a mixture and we're going to
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: play against Japan. I never forget it, me and Don
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: Jackson not playing it. From the game's going on register.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: It was a weird game and stadium Royce was brilliant,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: great atmosphere and Jacko and this big boys playing against
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Jacko and he's smashing jack a little over the gaff
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: and Jack's lad to meet one.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: He said, pieces to swamp men. This guy's kicking the
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: shot at me, and I was like, I'm all right.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: He goes that, please be when please what? So like,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: all right, I'm fuck got a smart ass here.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: So Ball goes to the right back and I let
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: him come across and bogs down the channel. So as
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: he comes across a slow doing told him right.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Up the ass, and I thought, I've done him. He's
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: not going to come back. I turn round red card. Ah,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: I can't. Hell, man, that's part of Euros. I'm done.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: I'm getting the Euros year. And I walked past JACKO.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Jack was like, like, you know, man, you're lucky there,
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: weren't you. I was thinking you should be you. I
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: get the addressing him and I hear the door open
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: for like three minutes later, Paul Lambert comes in and goes, fun,
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: did you get red grabbed me as well? He goes, no,
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: they took me after you get right to make a defense.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: And it was his debut for the NOD. Listen, that's
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: the trial and tribulations in the game, and there's things
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: that It's one of the things if you could wind back,
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: you would tell me.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Have you any regrets? And then you would change. Do
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: you know what I said?
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: I saw tell him I'm going to I've been on
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: that radio clade and they talk about you know, I
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: get battered than these quizzies for you twenty years ago
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: and all that stuff, and I'm looking on gone.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: I don't look back away. You know.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of an a type of guide it. As
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: I said, I don't know these because I don't like
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: talking about myself. I have a laugh of a joke,
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: but I get mere joy seeing my boy playing at
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Foker and know what they've done for League one out
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: of the prem has journey. I love going to watch. No,
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not that dad that's trying to live like through
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: his career. I've done that myself, so I go there
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: just as a fan and enjoy. So for me, I
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: look back and they're gone. That's what I say to
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: your boo when they spoke about music and stuff. It's
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: like God, I don't look back away. I always say,
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: I live in the present and pray for the future.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: So that's where they great, great time, great journey. It's
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: met guys like you a long way. I feel very
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: happy with what I kind of achieving in life, you know,
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: but that's a good way to finish it. And we
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: haven't even spoken about music, and you've stretched out of
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  Speaker 4: that went I wasn't. I was going, How is like
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: a fifty six year old ball guy going to talk
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  Speaker 4: about two backs of Core and Biggie Smalls and Doctor Dray.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: It will be a retest to finish spell like to
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  Speaker 1: get a guest to recommend to the next guest.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: And our last guest was Derek Ryldon.
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  Speaker 1: And he picks an album, a song and a film,
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  Speaker 1: all right, so you've got to recommend see things. His
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  Speaker 1: album Ministry of Sound, could be Volume whatever.
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  Speaker 4: That raven that he's under that stuff. He slatters me,
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: he says, on my guitar music, I mean guitar, so
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: Ministry of Sound his songs from Harmond van Helden.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know me.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: I wasn't aware of it as soon as you stuck up.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: And in his film's Casino You'll see Casino. We get
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: three recommendations for our.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Next guest movie. Can I go see these no Lionesses?
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: If you want, I'll go lion Esses? Decent?
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Is it?
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Brilliant? Three seasons Prime. Right.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, so he's al Dano, brilliant c I A Tye
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  Speaker 4: black Ops song really good.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, what's the next one? An album?
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Album and a song?
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go.
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  Speaker 4: I see a lot of music, but I'm going to
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: go with Justin Bieber. Swag is it swag? And it's
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: a black It's a he's got two versions, he wander.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: I'm sure it's the black cover. I'll go Justin Bieber.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Listen that in the gym and song.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Oh time, favorite song, called time favorite song.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: That's a good one. And maybe an eminem song, I think, Stan, maybe.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: You've been a great guest mate. Maybe Elaine, thanks for coming,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: fantastic football.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Thanks for coming on, thanks thanks for having me really
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: really appreciate it. Bro Jackie that I can dive after.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to look