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Moral Relativism, Tesla Terrorists & the Left: Jack Posobiec and Evita Unveil the Truth (Ep.175) · V

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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to Bongino Report Early Edition. And
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Speaker 1: today I have a very special episode because I am
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Speaker 1: joined by Jack Posobiec, a former Navy intelligence officer, author,
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Speaker 1: and host of the show Human Events Daily. Jack, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being here.
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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, Evita. As I always say, when you
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Speaker 2: come on Human Events Daily, you are my favorite anti-communist.
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Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get into anti-communism. I want to
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Speaker 1: talk about your book, Unhumans, because last time we talked
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Speaker 1: about your book on the assassination attempt. And I hope
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Speaker 1: that you got some good book sales out of it. Jack,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I told you this, but that
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Speaker 1: episode we did about the Trump assassination attempt is my
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Speaker 1: most watched episode of all time.
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Speaker 2: Let's go.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty awesome. It was at a good time, too,
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Speaker 1: because it was during Christmas. So I didn't have a
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Speaker 1: ton of content and people were just coming back to
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Speaker 1: that episode, I think. But it was a great it
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Speaker 1: was a great episode. And I want to dig into Unhumans, too.
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Speaker 1: Before I do that.
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Speaker 2: Well, go ahead. You know, just to point that out
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Speaker 2: is that, look, you know, here we are. It's been
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Speaker 2: months since the assassination attempt in Butler. It's been months
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Speaker 2: since the assassination attempt at West Palm Beach by this
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Speaker 2: Ukrainian foreign fighter, and still no answers on either of
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Speaker 2: these cases. And I think it just shows the palpable
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Speaker 2: interest that there is among the American people and really
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Speaker 2: just people around the world to understand who it was
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Speaker 2: that really tried to kill Donald Trump and how this
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Speaker 2: was allowed to take place, both on a field in
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Speaker 2: Butler and on a golf course in Florida.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you laid it out so well. And
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Speaker 1: in this book, there were just so many questions and
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Speaker 1: so many things that are just completely unexplainable. There's no
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Speaker 1: way that this is all just a coincidence. Also, I
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Speaker 1: love the Iranian accusations. It's like this kid from the
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Speaker 1: middle of nowhere and he's this white guy and he
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Speaker 1: shows up and he extraordinarily is able to get in
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Speaker 1: this perfect position to potentially assassinate President Trump. And everyone's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was Iran. And I'm like, maybe, but I feel
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Speaker 1: like there are just so many other questions to ask
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Speaker 1: of our own officials whether that's in the Secret Service
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Speaker 1: or the FBI, that just we have no answers about.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Jack, I want to get into Narnia first
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Speaker 1: because you've been tweeting about it a lot. You've been
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Speaker 1: tweeting about it a lot. And it's really, for the
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Speaker 1: fans out there who love the Narnia series, who love C.S. Lewis,
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Speaker 1: it is really disheartening to see what we already know
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Speaker 1: is happening with this Netflix reboot. We're turning it into
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Speaker 1: a series, and we found out that Meryl Streep may
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Speaker 1: become Aslan. Charlie XCX, who sang the Brat song, the
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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris anthem, was being, I guess, considered for The
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Speaker 1: White Witch. And the movie was also, I guess, going
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Speaker 1: to be rock and roll themed, whatever that means. And then,
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Speaker 1: of course, the Barbie director is going to, Greta Gerwig
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Speaker 1: is apparently going to also direct this Narnia series. So,
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Speaker 1: so many things that make you go, this is probably
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Speaker 1: not going to be a very faithful reinterpretation of the
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Speaker 1: Narnia series. What has been your takeaway here, Jack?
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, this, this is something that's, it's, it's
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Speaker 2: real personal for me. I mean, this, this series is
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Speaker 2: a series that my parents read to me, the Narnia series.
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Speaker 2: When I was a kid, you know, mom and dad
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Speaker 2: would take turns reading the books or, you know, one
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Speaker 2: will do one night, one would do the other night.
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Speaker 2: They would do, they would do the voices. You know,
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Speaker 2: I have to say my dad was a little bit
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Speaker 2: better at the voices, you know, but my mom was,
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Speaker 2: my mom was better at, you know, just sitting there
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Speaker 2: and reading longer. But, uh, You know, and now I
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Speaker 2: do the same for my boys and I sit and
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Speaker 2: I read them the books. And, you know, and yes,
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Speaker 2: we do the voices. We do all sorts of voices.
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Speaker 2: And that we actually just recently this weekend, this past weekend,
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Speaker 2: Narnia is showing at the Museum of the Bible right now,
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Speaker 2: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. And they've done this,
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Speaker 2: the third production they've done. It's a theater called the
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Speaker 2: Logos Theater. They're out of South Carolina. They're incredible. They
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Speaker 2: are fully Christian. Every, you know, every member of the
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Speaker 2: cast is totally on board, totally gets it. It is
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Speaker 2: the most, you know, I guess I would say just
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Speaker 2: perfect adaptation that I've seen on stage of any of
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Speaker 2: this completely in tune with what Lewis was looking for,
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Speaker 2: captures the magic. But it's a good show, too. Like,
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Speaker 2: it's not just, you know, it's not just, like, beating
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Speaker 2: you over the head with it. It's, like, it's really good. Well, it's, like,
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Speaker 2: Broadway-level production. And so, yeah, they're out of South Carolina.
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Speaker 2: They're here at the Museum of the Bible in Washington, D.C.,
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Speaker 2: where I am. They're going to Branson, Missouri. So if
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Speaker 2: anybody wants to catch it, you know, please, please go
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Speaker 2: and support this because They actually stay true to the spirit.
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Speaker 2: It's a faithful adaptation. We saw this with Snow White,
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Speaker 2: you know, just a couple of weeks ago with this
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Speaker 2: massive debacle, Disney pumping basically a billion dollars or at
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Speaker 2: least half a billion dollars writ large into the entire
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Speaker 2: thing for this massive act of cultural vandalism on a
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Speaker 2: character like Snow White, who's been around for literally hundreds
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Speaker 2: of years, right? The Brothers Grimm tale is 200 years old.
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Speaker 2: And now we have this. this degradation of Narnia, which
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Speaker 2: appears to be, and I'm someone who called out the
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Speaker 2: inclusion of Greta Gerwig right away, and a lot of
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Speaker 2: people don't know this, by the way, but believe it
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Speaker 2: or not, Greta Gerwig, this man-hating feminist who ran the
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Speaker 2: Barbie movie, which is an incredibly man-hating movie, also had
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Speaker 2: a right, basically did some revisions on an early draft
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Speaker 2: of Snow White. Now, she's like fought very hard to
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Speaker 2: distance herself from that because people like they're like, oh, no, no, no.
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Speaker 2: Like a lot of people in the industry could kind
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Speaker 2: of see the debacle coming. Of course, they also saw
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Speaker 2: that that Trump won. The audience had shifted. And so
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Speaker 2: she fought very hard to get her name out of
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Speaker 2: the credits. But she's still listed in like some of
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Speaker 2: the you know, some of the miscellaneous credits that are
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Speaker 2: out there in on the film. But her name isn't
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Speaker 2: like front and center in the marketing on this because
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Speaker 2: she knew it would be such a box office disaster.
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Speaker 2: And it was. At the same time, she's going over
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Speaker 2: to Narnia. And so this is something where adaptations of
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Speaker 2: Narnia have actually been very controversial over the years. It's
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Speaker 2: been this whole crazy thing. No one has ever done
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Speaker 2: the full series on film. There was a BBC series
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Speaker 2: that did books one to four. Back in the 70s
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Speaker 2: and 80s, there was the Walden Media adaptation, which was
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Speaker 2: done in the 2000s. And these were the blockbuster films.
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Speaker 2: They did books one to three. But famously, C.S. Lewis'
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Speaker 2: estate pulled it, pulled the rights from them, saying that
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Speaker 2: they were not faithful enough adaptations because they said– and
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Speaker 2: by the way, this wasn't because of wokeness or cultural Marxism.
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Speaker 2: This was just because they said it was too much
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Speaker 2: action and not enough of the heart, not enough of
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Speaker 2: the substance and the themes and the philosophy that we're
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Speaker 2: trying to really, really tell. They made it more of
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Speaker 2: like an action fantasy, similar more to like Lord of
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Speaker 2: the Rings series or something. And so they– Now going
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Speaker 2: to Netflix, though, it feels, though, and my worry is
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Speaker 2: that they handed it over to them. I'm sure Netflix
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Speaker 2: gave them a ton of money up front. Netflix has
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Speaker 2: massive fat pockets because of their investors going after a
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Speaker 2: series like this. And I've heard through the grapevine, I
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Speaker 2: kind of have this interesting position because I know more
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Speaker 2: people in the industry than I ever did before. So
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Speaker 2: having started as sort of like a fan slash just
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Speaker 2: critic of Hollywood, You know, now I actually have the
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Speaker 2: ability to find out stuff. And I've talked about this adaptation.
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Speaker 2: And I heard at one point you mentioned the rock
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Speaker 2: and roll adaptation of Narnia. I heard at one point
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Speaker 2: that they were going to change the entire setting of
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Speaker 2: Narnia away from London and that they were in the 1940s.
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Speaker 2: The World War Two, you know, is the backdrop of
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Speaker 2: the original series, by the way, for anyone who hasn't
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Speaker 2: actually read it. And they're taken out of London during
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Speaker 2: the Blitz when when the Germans are bombing London. And
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Speaker 2: that's why they go to the country and they're seeing
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Speaker 2: their uncle who's a professor and he has this giant wardrobe. And,
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Speaker 2: you know, you know, the rest of the story. Well,
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Speaker 2: they were actually talking about changing it to like Los
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Speaker 2: Angeles in the 1970s. What was the story that I
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Speaker 2: heard that they wanted to, you know, move it over
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Speaker 2: and then add yet these like rock and roll elements
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Speaker 2: to it. And. I talked to someone who at one
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Speaker 2: point was in talk to get the rights, but obviously
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Speaker 2: they just couldn't compete with this offer from Netflix. And then,
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Speaker 2: of course, what does Netflix do? They hand it right
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Speaker 2: over to Greta Gerwig. So she already conducted what I
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Speaker 2: would say is one of the most egregious acts of
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Speaker 2: cultural vandalism and weaponization of culture in terms of what
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Speaker 2: she did with the Barbie movie. Now, of course, that
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Speaker 2: didn't translate to the box office for Kamala Harris the
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Speaker 2: way that she wanted it to. But that is a
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Speaker 2: movie that instructed young women to hate men, to hate families,
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Speaker 2: to hate the idea of getting married, to hate the
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Speaker 2: idea of having children. And it is not subtle. It
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Speaker 2: is not some subliminal messaging that goes on in the film.
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Speaker 2: It is right there. The very first scene is young
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Speaker 2: girls setting fire and destroying their baby dolls in order
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Speaker 2: to go and get Barbie. And then later in the scene,
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Speaker 2: The climax of the movie is that Barbie goes and
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Speaker 2: signs a constitutional amendment taking rights away from all men.
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Speaker 2: And these are the Ken dolls in Barbie land. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this is like it's crazy. The entire thing is crazy.
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Speaker 2: It's obviously written by some sort of like hard left Democrat.
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Speaker 2: And so the idea that this person who would put
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Speaker 2: out something like that would also be handed Narnia, it
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Speaker 2: it I would say it's crazy, but it's typical. It's
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Speaker 2: so typical of what's going on in Hollywood and the
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Speaker 2: idea that they would take Aslan, who obviously is based
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Speaker 2: on Jesus, he's the son of the emperor across the
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Speaker 2: sea in Narnia, and turn him into a female character. Well,
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Speaker 2: that's exactly what Greta Gerwig would do because, and we
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Speaker 2: talk about this in the book on humans, the cultural Marxists,
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Speaker 2: the degradation of culture, the degradation of symbols, the destruction
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Speaker 2: of our culture and heritage is their plot. That is
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Speaker 2: their goal. That is what they are going for. They
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Speaker 2: know it's going to be bad. They want it to
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Speaker 2: be bad.
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Speaker 1: Why?
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Speaker 2: Because they want you to hate yourself They want you
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Speaker 2: to hate your culture. And if they can destroy something
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Speaker 2: like Narnia in the process, they will gleefully do so.
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Speaker 1: It really is an imperative on their side to say,
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Speaker 1: we'll make our own art, right? We'll do our own
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Speaker 1: works that are subversive to the Christian culture that is
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Speaker 1: inherent to the West. But then if we have these
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Speaker 1: stories that are so embedded in the psyche, like Lord
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Speaker 1: of the Rings or like Narnia, we have to actually
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Speaker 1: repurpose them for our own means in order to authentically
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Speaker 1: destroy them. You can't just ignore something like Narnia, which
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Speaker 1: has had such a positive impact on generations of Europeans
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Speaker 1: and of Americans, of people who are part of the West.
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Speaker 1: So it is definitely purposeful. And I did like– I
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Speaker 1: don't know how you feel about this. I did enjoy
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Speaker 1: the Disney adaptation of those first three Narnia movies. I
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Speaker 1: thought that they were good. They were well done.
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Speaker 2: That wasn't Disney though. That was Walden.
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Speaker 1: Oh, it was. Okay. So is it owned by Disney now?
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Speaker 1: Do they acquire it somehow or am I– I think
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Speaker 1: I saw it on Disney +.
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Speaker 2: No, I don't think Disney has it. I think it's
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Speaker 2: just– I think it's just– it's a Netflix in-house property.
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Speaker 2: So I don't believe that Disney has ever had the
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Speaker 2: rights to Narnia. I know they were trying to get
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Speaker 2: the rights to Narnia for a very long time.
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Speaker 1: And they didn't get it.
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Speaker 2: But everything that they were doing in the woke era
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Speaker 2: was just a total, you know, just a massive, you know,
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Speaker 2: too far of a leap for even the members of
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Speaker 2: the estate. The problem is, is that Lewis, who famously
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Speaker 2: didn't have children of his own, his stepchildren, his stepson
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Speaker 2: is literally the one that runs it. he decided finally,
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Speaker 2: and his kids, they convinced him to go with Netflix.
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Speaker 2: They said, oh, Netflix could work well. Netflix has done
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Speaker 2: a pretty good adaptation of the Lemony Snicket series. I
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Speaker 2: showed that to my kids. I thought they did a
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Speaker 2: fine job of that. It wasn't quite as good as
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Speaker 2: the books, but that's a different discussion. But it was fine.
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Speaker 2: It certainly wasn't woke or anything like that. And I
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Speaker 2: know that Netflix certainly has a few things that they
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Speaker 2: can point to to talk about this. But yeah, that
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Speaker 2: was Walden Media Publishing. Got it. Running those books in
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Speaker 2: the 2000s. And you're right. You know, they're they're cool.
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Speaker 2: They're fun movies. I don't I don't particularly have a
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Speaker 2: problem with those movies. But I did hear through the
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Speaker 2: grapevine that the reason that Walden lost the rights to
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Speaker 2: do it in after book three, which is Voyage of
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Speaker 2: the Dawn Dreader, was was basically that they said, you
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Speaker 2: are not sticking to the Christian themes of the books enough.
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Speaker 2: You're making this to action. You're making this to fantasy oriented.
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Speaker 2: And we're done.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would I would say about 20 years ago.
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Speaker 1: I would say Voyage of the Dawn Treader was like
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Speaker 1: the weaker of the three. And I think one of
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Speaker 1: my main concerns with the Greta Gerwig remake that's underway
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Speaker 1: is I have this fear because there's all these rumors
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Speaker 1: that Charlie XCX is potentially going to play the White Witch,
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Speaker 1: that they're going to turn the White Witch into some
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Speaker 1: sort of like morally complex, like empowered anti-heroine instead of
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Speaker 1: like the clear symbol of evil that the White Witch
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Speaker 1: is supposed to be. And so like recaster, you know,
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Speaker 1: as like some misunderstood feminist icon. And that seems to
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Speaker 1: be a theme in Hollywood these days, right? We can't
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Speaker 1: have any evil characters. Everybody has to be morally gray.
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Speaker 1: And in doing that, you would totally strip away the
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Speaker 1: Christian moral clarity behind having like a white witch who
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Speaker 1: was supposed to symbolize like the devil himself. And it
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Speaker 1: really is, I think, a reflection of what Hollywood does
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Speaker 1: all the time. And it just, already you can see
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Speaker 1: the seeds here of this being disastrous.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest, right? So it's like
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Speaker 2: people want to call me a hater or whatever. I'm like,
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Speaker 2: I can see a world where Charlie XCS could be
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Speaker 2: a good white witch, right? If you had a serious director,
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Speaker 2: if you had a serious director that actually understood things
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Speaker 2: and wanted to make her like full on evil and
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Speaker 2: just the epitome of all things that are evil, I
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Speaker 2: guess you could do that. Daniel Craig, they were in
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Speaker 2: talks with him at one point. I thought Daniel Craig
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Speaker 2: was who they wanted to be Aslan. But then I
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Speaker 2: think they were talking about Daniel Craig as like Mr.
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Speaker 2: Tumnus or something like the, you know, the faun, which
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Speaker 2: doesn't really make any sense at all. I don't think.
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Speaker 2: And so, you know, the, you know, hopefully I'm just like,
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Speaker 2: I've got this weird, like, you know, just hope like
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Speaker 2: I'm not totally blackmailed yet. Maybe I should be. But,
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Speaker 2: you know, maybe, maybe all this is just a smokescreen.
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Speaker 2: Maybe they'll learn the lesson from Snow White and this
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Speaker 2: is one of the reasons that I personally went so
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Speaker 2: hard at Snow White the way that I've gone hard
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Speaker 2: at other properties particularly Disney in the past but also
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Speaker 2: HBO and others for their horrible adaptations introducing wokeness even
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Speaker 2: before we had the word woke I didn't even know
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Speaker 2: I was talking about like it's just bad yeah you
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Speaker 2: know talking about Game of Thrones and stuff that are
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Speaker 2: going after in the years or like what they did
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Speaker 2: to Disney Star Wars and and realizing that yeah I
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Speaker 2: think you're right you know you look at you look
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Speaker 2: at the list of, you know, villains in Hollywood these days,
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Speaker 2: and it's like women aren't allowed to be villains actually anymore.
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Speaker 2: It's Maleficent. But oh no, Maleficent isn't just the evil queen.
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Speaker 2: Now she's got to have this backstory, etc. She's got
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Speaker 2: to have these reasons for doing what she did. And,
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Speaker 2: you know, then Wicked, of course, is obviously a total
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Speaker 2: subversion of Wizard of Oz story where Dorothy isn't good anymore.
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Speaker 2: Dorothy is actually, you know, a naive terrorist who's working
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Speaker 2: for the evil fascist wizard. And then even in Infinite
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Speaker 2: Snow White where you do. OK, at least you do
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Speaker 2: have actual evil queen there. But it's the evil white
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Speaker 2: queen versus the, you know, sort of diverse band of.
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Speaker 2: of freedom fighters led by Snow Woke. And so it's, again,
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Speaker 2: just another subversion of the trope again and again and again.
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Speaker 1: When people ask all that, I mean, I'll cover these
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Speaker 1: cultural stories all the time. I covered Snow White incessantly
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Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks. And even I was
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Speaker 1: covering it before two years ago when this started to
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Speaker 1: become an issue. And people will comment and say, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: this doesn't matter. This isn't the real news. Who cares
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Speaker 1: about what Disney does? I'm canceling Netflix. I'm canceling Amazon
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Speaker 1: and Disney, and it doesn't matter. And it does matter.
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Speaker 1: And you are somebody who's highlighted often just how much
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Speaker 1: these cultural elements are linked to the policies that actually
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Speaker 1: play out and affect all of us in the living world.
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Speaker 1: And your book on humans, I think, really highlights what
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Speaker 1: are the stakes of of this rise of cultural Marxism
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Speaker 1: that we're seeing in the United States. Because what has
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Speaker 1: Marxism looked like across world history? And one of the
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Speaker 1: examples that you brought up in Unhumans that is really
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Speaker 1: close to me, because I have a family tie to it,
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Speaker 1: is the Spanish Civil War. And the Spanish Civil War,
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Speaker 1: the lead up to it was there was a Marxist
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Speaker 1: government in Spain, was democratically elected, and they were burning churches.
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Speaker 1: And they were killing priests, executing them, killing bishops. They
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Speaker 1: were exhuming the bodies of nuns and defiling them on purpose.
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Speaker 1: And for my personal story, I have an extended family
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Speaker 1: member who was a priest during the Spanish Civil War,
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Speaker 1: and he was arrested. He was put in front of
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Speaker 1: a firing squad with multiple other Catholic priests and lay people.
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Speaker 1: They grazed his shoulder so he didn't die, and he
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Speaker 1: begged them to to shoot him so that he would
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Speaker 1: just have a clean death. He wouldn't suffer. And instead,
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Speaker 1: because these people, as you say in the book, Jack,
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Speaker 1: are unhumans, they buried him alive. It was like one
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Speaker 1: of the most horrific ways that you could go. And
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Speaker 1: so Francisco Franco in Spain, he came in and he
17:43
Speaker 1: was like, okay, we're done with this. And he overthrew
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Speaker 1: this Marxist communist government. And he ruled Spain for decades after.
17:52
Speaker 1: And it's one of those stories that's told by the losers, right?
17:56
Speaker 1: If you hear about the Spanish Civil War, if at all,
17:58
Speaker 1: in American history classes and in American classes in America
18:04
Speaker 1: for history, it's always painting these communist unhumans as positive
18:10
Speaker 1: and defenders of democracy. And Francisco Franco was like this
18:13
Speaker 1: Hitler-aligned dictator, which by the way, isn't true. You do
18:16
Speaker 1: an amazing job in this book handling the Spanish Civil War.
18:19
Speaker 1: And Jack, I want you to just Give us a
18:21
Speaker 1: little taste of why we get the history so wrong here.
18:25
Speaker 1: And then also, what lessons can Americans actually take from
18:28
Speaker 1: this conflict that's been so horribly misinterpreted by Americans?
18:34
Speaker 2: Well, I thank you so much, Evita. And also, thank
18:36
Speaker 2: you for being so vocal about sharing your family's story before.
18:40
Speaker 2: I think we actually cited your write-up in The Federalist
18:44
Speaker 2: as one of our citations in the book, just as
18:47
Speaker 2: a primary source, because that's so much that you know,
18:50
Speaker 2: of these stories come out of there. And we even
18:53
Speaker 2: went over to Spain and visited the Valley of the
18:57
Speaker 2: Fallen and visited various parts of Spain that were involved
19:00
Speaker 2: in the Spanish Civil War in the process of researching
19:03
Speaker 2: for this book. And, you know, you talk about, you know,
19:06
Speaker 2: why do the movies matter? You know, why talk about
19:08
Speaker 2: these things? Because that's where people get their mental model from.
19:12
Speaker 2: They get their mental model from these movies. And You know,
19:16
Speaker 2: when you look at the question about, well, why is it,
19:20
Speaker 2: you know, why do people believe this way about the
19:23
Speaker 2: Spanish Civil War? Well, guess what? Have you ever heard
19:25
Speaker 2: of the movie For Whom the Bell Tolls? It's got
19:28
Speaker 2: Gary Cooper and Ingrid Bergman, right? Two of the just,
19:33
Speaker 2: you know, probably the top two stars of the golden
19:35
Speaker 2: age of Hollywood, right? It's obvious. And who would be
19:38
Speaker 2: greater than Gary Cooper and Ingrid Bergman? Well, as it
19:40
Speaker 2: turns out, that book was written, or that's based on
19:43
Speaker 2: a book that was written by Ernest Hemingway. and Ernest
19:46
Speaker 2: Hemingway was over in the Spanish Civil War, and who
19:49
Speaker 2: was he fighting for? Oh, that's right. He was on
19:51
Speaker 2: the side of the communists. George Orwell was also on
19:55
Speaker 2: the side of the communists, although Orwell comes out a
19:57
Speaker 2: little bit better than him because it's it's the Spanish
20:01
Speaker 2: Civil War and his experience in it. that disillusioned Orwell
20:05
Speaker 2: to the lies of media, the lies of the newspaper,
20:10
Speaker 2: the lies of mainstream media in his time. And that's
20:12
Speaker 2: sort of what set the stage for his later works
20:16
Speaker 2: of 1984 and Animal Farm. But it's really in the
20:19
Speaker 2: Spanish Civil War where you see sort of like all
20:21
Speaker 2: the communist writers. They've got Emma Goldman is involved over there.
20:27
Speaker 2: You've got Ernest Hemingway, which I mentioned, so many others.
20:30
Speaker 2: from the U.S. and the U.K. that go over and
20:32
Speaker 2: they get wrapped up in sort of like the romance.
20:35
Speaker 2: We're overthrowing the king. We're getting rid of the monarchy.
20:38
Speaker 2: We're fighting for the future. It's a love story. It's
20:42
Speaker 2: going to be so wonderful. And all of the atrocities
20:46
Speaker 2: that you've outlined, the defiling of nuns in church altars,
20:51
Speaker 2: on church altars, The killing, the wanted killing of priests,
20:54
Speaker 2: you know, this is just completely, completely disabused. And if
20:57
Speaker 2: you don't talk to anyone who's actually lived through it
20:59
Speaker 2: or go back and read primary sources, which we did
21:02
Speaker 2: in the course of this book, just diaries of people
21:06
Speaker 2: that were living under this communist occupation and living through
21:09
Speaker 2: this absolute horror, really the Red Terror in Spain. they'll
21:14
Speaker 2: tell you very clearly. And that's why when you see...
21:16
Speaker 2: And something that's also just culturally speaking that I like
21:20
Speaker 2: to do on Fridays, I always joke on Twitter, we
21:22
Speaker 2: do like Franco Friday. And we'll show these videos of
21:25
Speaker 2: Francisco Franco when he goes into one of these towns
21:28
Speaker 2: and is liberating it. And the people are cheering. The
21:31
Speaker 2: people are cheering as he comes in and liberates them
21:33
Speaker 2: from the communists. And so when people can see that
21:37
Speaker 2: through video... in a way that prior to video and
21:41
Speaker 2: really the remastering of old videos is such a powerful
21:45
Speaker 2: tool these days because you don't have to tell people
21:48
Speaker 2: what the past was like. You can actually show it.
21:52
Speaker 2: And it cuts across all the propaganda. And suddenly you're
21:55
Speaker 2: sitting there going, wait, this isn't what my professor said
21:57
Speaker 2: about the Spanish Civil War. People are cheering. Women and
22:01
Speaker 2: children are celebrating. They're flying the Spanish flag again. How
22:05
Speaker 2: could this be? I was told this guy was a monster.
22:09
Speaker 2: And to be clear, it was a war. It was
22:11
Speaker 2: a civil war. Civil wars are bloody affairs. That's why
22:14
Speaker 2: you don't want to do them. That's why you don't
22:16
Speaker 2: want to go down that road. And the only option
22:20
Speaker 2: that's left in a terrible situation such as communism, it
22:24
Speaker 2: always breaks out in civil war. That's why you saw
22:26
Speaker 2: the Russian civil war. That's why you saw the Chinese
22:28
Speaker 2: civil war. That's why you saw various wars in France
22:31
Speaker 2: after the overthrow of the king and the launch of
22:33
Speaker 2: the red terror there and the French revolution right next
22:36
Speaker 2: door to Spain, by the way, just a couple hundred
22:37
Speaker 2: years earlier. So, you know, it, it, when, when these
22:41
Speaker 2: forces are unleashed and, and this is the reason that
22:45
Speaker 2: I talk about these types of things that, you know, really,
22:48
Speaker 2: you know, people, especially Americans, you mentioned American history, a
22:51
Speaker 2: lot of people kind of get American history and they're like, okay,
22:53
Speaker 2: you know, there were 1776 and then there was slavery and,
22:57
Speaker 2: And then we had a civil war and then World
23:00
Speaker 2: War Two happened and the Holocaust happened. And then Obama
23:04
Speaker 2: got elected and Trump got elected. And that's it. You know,
23:08
Speaker 2: and like that's kind of all you learn about like
23:10
Speaker 2: all history. And, you know, and then and then, you know,
23:14
Speaker 2: if you go to church, you kind of understand that
23:16
Speaker 2: there's like these us and some maybe Rome and some
23:19
Speaker 2: other things that happened before. But but that's it. Like
23:21
Speaker 2: that's your only background knowledge of any of that. And yet,
23:24
Speaker 2: unfortunately or fortunately, it just is what it is. All
23:27
Speaker 2: of these events shape our daily lives. They shape the
23:30
Speaker 2: world that we live in. They shape our beliefs and
23:32
Speaker 2: our interactions with the world. And I really looked at
23:35
Speaker 2: the communist uprisings in Europe in sort of this interwar
23:40
Speaker 2: period and even some of the ones in the past
23:43
Speaker 2: or the Chinese communist revolution, which took place just after
23:46
Speaker 2: the war. These shape our world in immensely intricate ways
23:52
Speaker 2: because when we understand these issues, Unfortunately, we can see
23:57
Speaker 2: in our own country the very same pressures at play.
24:00
Speaker 2: You see the rise of populism, right? So we've got
24:03
Speaker 2: the populist left and we've got the populist right. And
24:06
Speaker 2: the populist right, that's sort of like your Trump movement.
24:08
Speaker 2: That's your people who say, okay, something is wrong. We
24:11
Speaker 2: want to fix the system. Then you've got the populist
24:14
Speaker 2: left that says something is wrong. We want to burn
24:18
Speaker 2: down everything and create a utopia on the ashes. And
24:22
Speaker 2: that's the thing with communists. They don't actually want... the utopia.
24:27
Speaker 2: They really just want to burn everything down. They don't
24:29
Speaker 2: believe it. A perfect example, you know, you can, and
24:31
Speaker 2: you can, you can do this all day long with
24:33
Speaker 2: communists and say like, Hey, wait a minute, you guys
24:35
Speaker 2: are being hypocrites because you know, you said you wanted
24:37
Speaker 2: green cars and now you're setting all the green cars
24:39
Speaker 2: on fire. Like you wanted green cars for years and
24:42
Speaker 2: now electric cars. And now suddenly you're taking the most
24:45
Speaker 2: successful to date electric car and you're, you're targeting them
24:49
Speaker 2: for destruction and, and explosions and you're blowing everything up.
24:52
Speaker 2: Now the, the sort of like old, right? Like the, Uh,
24:56
Speaker 2: like the sort of like, just, just, just, you know,
24:59
Speaker 2: old style, you know, conservative elites, you know, con ink
25:02
Speaker 2: GOP would say, Oh, ha ha. You're being hypocrisy. We
25:06
Speaker 2: caught you. That's a double standard, but it's not a
25:09
Speaker 2: double standard because the left doesn't actually believe in any
25:11
Speaker 2: of this stuff. They don't actually believe in social justice.
25:13
Speaker 2: They don't believe in equity. Don't believe in equality. They
25:15
Speaker 2: just hate people. They hate humanity. They hate civilization. They
25:20
Speaker 2: hate the natural order. They hate God for creating them. OK,
25:24
Speaker 2: this is a huge, huge indicator when you want to
25:27
Speaker 2: understand what actually animates leftist politics at a very deep level.
25:33
Speaker 2: And I understand there's people that that go there's different
25:35
Speaker 2: there's degrees of degradation to this because a gradation to this,
25:39
Speaker 2: because not every leftist truly, you know, some people just
25:42
Speaker 2: kind of fall for the rhetoric of it. But at
25:44
Speaker 2: the deep core of it, how could someone love Tesla
25:49
Speaker 2: and then blow up Tesla the next day? Well, it's
25:52
Speaker 2: because they don't actually love Tesla. They hate something else.
25:55
Speaker 2: They hate our civilization. They hate our society. They hate God.
25:59
Speaker 2: They hate all of these things. And all of their
26:01
Speaker 2: life has been in rebellion to these things because they
26:06
Speaker 2: have a deep-seated resentment of themselves, resentment of God, resentment
26:10
Speaker 2: of others, resentment of parents, resentment of, you know, oh,
26:13
Speaker 2: it's all the world's fault that I have to be
26:15
Speaker 2: like this. Certainly, so if anyone is wealthy, if anyone
26:18
Speaker 2: is affluent, and isn't quote unquote down for the revolution,
26:21
Speaker 2: then you will be consumed by the revolution. These types
26:24
Speaker 2: of forces, when they're given into politically and when political
26:28
Speaker 2: leaders play upon them, because this is a huge part
26:31
Speaker 2: of human nature, of course, envy is part of human nature.
26:33
Speaker 2: It's one of the seven deadly sins that when you
26:36
Speaker 2: base your entire political movement around the idea that sin
26:41
Speaker 2: can be an ideology, right? This is Karl Marx. So
26:44
Speaker 2: the sin of envy could be a political ideology. There's no,
26:48
Speaker 2: there's no surprise that it always, and is designed to
26:53
Speaker 2: end in mass graves, in skulls, and hundreds of millions
26:57
Speaker 2: of people killed. And so, you know, the way that
26:59
Speaker 2: we kind of sum it up in the book in
27:00
Speaker 2: Unhumans is to explain that once you understand the true
27:03
Speaker 2: nature of communism, you'll say, because, you know, sort of
27:05
Speaker 2: the average person might say, well, if communism has killed
27:07
Speaker 2: 100 million people and it's never worked, why do people
27:09
Speaker 2: still keep trying it, right? And it's because they don't
27:12
Speaker 2: actually want the system to work. They just want to
27:16
Speaker 2: kill the 100 million people. And they view that as
27:19
Speaker 2: a good start. They want to do more.
27:21
Speaker 1: There are so many parallels to the collectivist movement from
27:26
Speaker 1: the Spanish Civil War and just the leftists that we're
27:28
Speaker 1: seeing today. And you might say, oh, that's a little
27:30
Speaker 1: bit dramatic. They're not murdering priests yet. But I mean,
27:34
Speaker 1: it's a slippery slope.
27:35
Speaker 2: They're locking them up though.
27:37
Speaker 1: Right. Well, in the Spanish Civil War, it started at
27:39
Speaker 1: first by them saying, we're going to not have prayer
27:41
Speaker 1: in the classroom, which by the way, we don't have
27:43
Speaker 1: prayer in the classroom anymore in the United States of America.
27:46
Speaker 1: And then they'll say, okay, well, now we're not going
27:48
Speaker 1: to recognize any marriages that are done by the Catholic church.
27:51
Speaker 1: And then it escalated from there. And you're right to
27:54
Speaker 1: bring up the haves versus the have-nots, because it wasn't
27:57
Speaker 1: just obviously a demonization of the church and of God himself,
28:00
Speaker 1: like a hatred of religion. But of course, it was
28:04
Speaker 1: people jealous of other people and saying, well, we need
28:07
Speaker 1: to right this inequity. And so, for example, my great-grandparents,
28:12
Speaker 1: my great-grandfather had not an amazing job. He wasn't a
28:15
Speaker 1: very rich man, but he had a very a very nice, comfortable,
28:18
Speaker 1: middle-class job, and he lost everything. He was arrested. Their
28:25
Speaker 1: house was literally stolen from them, and they never got
28:27
Speaker 1: it back. My great-grandparents were separated during the war. There
28:30
Speaker 1: were so many people who just were stolen from. And
28:34
Speaker 1: it's because there's this mentality that, oh, well, I'm entitled
28:37
Speaker 1: to what you have because you have it and I don't,
28:39
Speaker 1: so therefore you must have stolen it from me. And
28:43
Speaker 1: you see this come up all the time, even with
28:46
Speaker 1: this Luigi Mangione case here where some guy just said, oh, well,
28:49
Speaker 1: this healthcare CEO is inequitable here and healthcare is wrong
28:54
Speaker 1: and it should be your right. And so he just
28:55
Speaker 1: shoots the guy. This is a violent ethos that has
28:59
Speaker 1: played out throughout human history. And what's so interesting to me, Jack,
29:03
Speaker 1: is the denial of history. So now in Spain, and
29:07
Speaker 1: you detail this really well in the book, You aren't
29:08
Speaker 1: allowed to talk about the history of the Spanish Civil War.
29:11
Speaker 1: You aren't allowed to actually authentically discuss it. It's an erasure.
29:16
Speaker 1: And you see that erasure here in America. What was
29:18
Speaker 1: the BLM movement? We were toppling down statues of the
29:21
Speaker 1: founding fathers and embedding the 1619 project in our school
29:24
Speaker 1: system to say, hey, you're not allowed to talk about
29:26
Speaker 1: your history. We're going to demonize everything that made it
29:28
Speaker 1: beautiful and wonderful. And we're just going to replace it
29:31
Speaker 1: with our own revisionist history, the Howard Zinn version of
29:33
Speaker 1: things over and over again. And it is truly so parallel.
29:40
Speaker 2: Right. I mean, there's so much you could get into there. But,
29:43
Speaker 2: you know, you mentioned Luigi Maggioni. And, you know, one
29:47
Speaker 2: of the things, so here's the way that I can
29:49
Speaker 2: tie it back together. So you mentioned your own family
29:51
Speaker 2: and you mentioned Luigi Maggioni's target. And so there's this
29:54
Speaker 2: concept that in the Russian revolution, the Bolshevik revolution, they
30:00
Speaker 2: identify the enemies of the revolution as the kulaks. So
30:03
Speaker 2: after they wipe out and brutally murder all the Russian
30:07
Speaker 2: Christians that were running the Russian Empire, the Tsar, Nicholas,
30:11
Speaker 2: the entire family, all the children, bayoneted the little girls
30:15
Speaker 2: to death, by the way, in a basement in front
30:18
Speaker 2: of their parents. And they then went and took out
30:23
Speaker 2: the entire aristocracy, the ones that didn't flee, of course,
30:25
Speaker 2: to various parts of Europe. And Then they started going
30:29
Speaker 2: after the kulaks. What's a kulak? Well, nobody could ever
30:32
Speaker 2: really define what a kulak was. It was just sort
30:34
Speaker 2: of like this was the enemy class of today. And
30:37
Speaker 2: they would say, this person's a kulak, that person's a kulak.
30:40
Speaker 2: And this is where you kind of get the phrase
30:42
Speaker 2: from Marx, the petty bourgeoisie. And the petty bourgeoisie is
30:46
Speaker 2: basically something along the lines of what we would call
30:49
Speaker 2: like a small business owner today. So it doesn't mean
30:53
Speaker 2: someone who's incredibly wealthy or super wealthy. What it actually
30:57
Speaker 2: is is someone who like you know, maybe like owns
30:59
Speaker 2: a store or you're someone who's got a couple homes,
31:02
Speaker 2: you know, you've got like one house and then you've
31:04
Speaker 2: got a house that you put up for rent on
31:05
Speaker 2: Airbnb or like it's up for rent on Zillow or whatever, right?
31:09
Speaker 2: Or you've got a summer home that you, you know,
31:11
Speaker 2: you rent out down the shore and, you know, you
31:13
Speaker 2: go there for a week with your family. Well, guess what?
31:15
Speaker 2: If you've accumulated enough wealth in the middle class that
31:17
Speaker 2: you've gone up to like that upper middle class strata,
31:20
Speaker 2: that's really the people that the communists always target. Those
31:24
Speaker 2: people get completely and utterly wiped out. And the difference
31:29
Speaker 2: now with cultural Marxism is they add in these ethnic
31:34
Speaker 2: elements as well. And so when I talk about Luigi Maggioni,
31:37
Speaker 2: I always point out this. So the left loves him.
31:42
Speaker 2: He obviously did this thing. I know legally it hasn't
31:44
Speaker 2: been decided yet, but it's just so obvious he did it.
31:46
Speaker 2: And I talk to leftists. I say, well, if he
31:48
Speaker 2: didn't do it, why do you like him so much?
31:50
Speaker 2: And they'll say– You know, they'll say, well, it's because
31:55
Speaker 2: he's fighting for, you know, he's fighting for the people.
31:57
Speaker 2: He's fighting for the little guy. I said, all right, okay,
31:58
Speaker 2: hold on, hold on. The guy that he targeted was
32:01
Speaker 2: an affluent white male. What if, if this is all
32:06
Speaker 2: just about healthcare, would you be just as okay with
32:09
Speaker 2: him committing that assassination if this was an African-American CEO
32:14
Speaker 2: of a healthcare company? And would you be just as
32:17
Speaker 2: okay if this African-American CEO, let's say he's in a
32:21
Speaker 2: same-sex marriage. Would you also be just as okay with that?
32:25
Speaker 2: And you can say this to leftists, and I've tried
32:27
Speaker 2: this on them, and they just kind of start twitching,
32:29
Speaker 2: and they sort of say, yeah, sure. But they totally
32:34
Speaker 2: short circuit. Why? Because it's not just the affluent. It's
32:38
Speaker 2: affluent white males, and particularly Christians, because it's always Christians.
32:43
Speaker 2: And so if you point this out, it's what it
32:46
Speaker 2: really is. It's the targeting of an enemy class. And
32:49
Speaker 2: they have designed this enemy class. We talk about this
32:52
Speaker 2: in the book as well. We go through the various
32:53
Speaker 2: stages of a revolution. We talk about the preparation, the overthrow,
32:58
Speaker 2: the revolution itself, and then the aftermath, of course, which
33:01
Speaker 2: is the new order. And this is when all the
33:03
Speaker 2: killing takes place. I mean, the killing takes place throughout
33:05
Speaker 2: the various methods. But, you know, with Luigi Maggioni, of course,
33:08
Speaker 2: you know, when you look at this, the way to
33:13
Speaker 2: dissect it, I think, of course, is to point out
33:15
Speaker 2: that this guy isn't some working class hero anymore. He
33:19
Speaker 2: comes from a family that is more entitled and more
33:22
Speaker 2: privileged than the person that he shot and killed. His
33:25
Speaker 2: family is far more wealthy. They own country clubs. They
33:28
Speaker 2: own spas. They own nursing homes. He went to an
33:31
Speaker 2: elite prep school. He went to the Ivy League and
33:34
Speaker 2: graduated with advanced degrees. He actually doesn't really look like
33:38
Speaker 2: he faced health care denials or financial burdens. For example,
33:41
Speaker 2: his back surgery was successful. You know, some people say, oh, well,
33:44
Speaker 2: he had back surgery. No, no, sorry. No, he's literally
33:47
Speaker 2: not a victim of the system. He's not some man
33:50
Speaker 2: of the people. In fact, what he's doing is co-opting
33:53
Speaker 2: other people who have been victims and then conducting this
33:57
Speaker 2: assassination on their, you know, claiming their mantle. When you
34:01
Speaker 2: look back at it, that's what the communists always do. Particularly, actually,
34:05
Speaker 2: his profile coming from one of these upper middle class
34:08
Speaker 2: families is really, really indicative of just about every communist
34:13
Speaker 2: leader in history. That's what they all come from. Lenin
34:15
Speaker 2: came from a background like that. Mao came from a
34:17
Speaker 2: background like that. Most of the communists in Spain came
34:20
Speaker 2: from backgrounds like that. Lenin, of course, famously himself, Trotsky.
34:23
Speaker 2: And they all come from these backgrounds because they lack
34:26
Speaker 2: a sort of, you know, this sort of rite of
34:29
Speaker 2: passage of having to work at a young age, you know,
34:32
Speaker 2: actually experience the real world, no real hunger and know
34:35
Speaker 2: what it's like. And they just sort of become bored
34:37
Speaker 2: and they become resentful. And they, you know, there is
34:40
Speaker 2: a way when they become resentful and so bored because
34:44
Speaker 2: they have so much privilege. At some point, they turn
34:47
Speaker 2: and snap and they get sucked into these lies and
34:50
Speaker 2: get sucked into this idea that sin can be good
34:53
Speaker 2: if we do it in the name of justice or
34:57
Speaker 2: whatever it is. But it's not about that. It's about murder.
34:59
Speaker 2: It's about terrorism. And so I do think that the
35:01
Speaker 2: administration is right to charge him with terrorism, although the
35:06
Speaker 2: death penalty. So just earlier this week, we heard that
35:09
Speaker 2: they might be seeking the death penalty against him. And
35:12
Speaker 2: so I do worry. And I would caution that this
35:16
Speaker 2: really feeds into the cult of Luigi that has formed
35:20
Speaker 2: up around him. It's really turned into this spectacle. It's
35:24
Speaker 2: super viral. And you've got these insane woke comedians and
35:28
Speaker 2: celebrities like Bill Burr who are just supporting it left
35:31
Speaker 2: and right. And Bill Burr obviously hates himself. You can
35:33
Speaker 2: see that in every video that he makes. And you
35:37
Speaker 2: have to understand that People like this and supporting these
35:40
Speaker 2: types of ideas. There was a by the way, there
35:42
Speaker 2: was a trans attempted assassination of Scott Besson during his
35:45
Speaker 2: which nobody remembers during his confirmation process. And this individual
35:50
Speaker 2: specifically referenced Luigi Maggioni brought a gun into the United
35:55
Speaker 2: States Senate and wanted to at first, I believe they
35:57
Speaker 2: were targeting Pete Hegseth, but then found out that Hegseth
36:00
Speaker 2: wasn't up that day. And so we're about to go
36:02
Speaker 2: and kill Scott Besson before they were stopped. and specifically
36:07
Speaker 2: mentioned Luigi Maggioni as an inspiration. And unfortunately, I think, um,
36:11
Speaker 2: I think with Gen Z radicals, like Luigi Maggioni, you're
36:15
Speaker 2: going to see more radical, um, violence because with millennials, there's,
36:19
Speaker 2: there's more of this like tendency towards group movements, like
36:24
Speaker 2: joining a BLM or joining an Antifa. And certainly there
36:26
Speaker 2: are members, there are elements of BLM and Antifa that
36:29
Speaker 2: were violent, but it's always this sort of like sporadic
36:31
Speaker 2: random violence. Whereas, you know, Zoomers who are raised on
36:35
Speaker 2: TikTok want to go viral for performing one specific act.
36:39
Speaker 2: And people say, how could Luigi Maggioni shoot someone on
36:44
Speaker 2: camera like that? I said, no, you don't get it.
36:46
Speaker 2: He wanted it to be on camera. You don't understand
36:49
Speaker 2: what you're dealing with.
36:50
Speaker 1: That's such a good point about Zoomers. And you're right.
36:53
Speaker 1: And if they do give him the death penalty, there
36:56
Speaker 1: is going to be even more of a of a
36:59
Speaker 1: cult around this man and it'll probably inspire more people.
37:02
Speaker 1: And I agree with you that that's going to be
37:05
Speaker 1: a mistake. And the question is, you know, how do
37:07
Speaker 1: you respond to unhumans? When my great grandfather was in prison,
37:13
Speaker 1: he was arrested for no reason other than just being
37:17
Speaker 1: an anti-communist and a supporter of Franco. And at the
37:20
Speaker 1: time in Madrid, they had these makeshift prisons, just like all,
37:24
Speaker 1: it wasn't a real prison. It was, she was just
37:26
Speaker 1: like put inside like a random house with two other guys.
37:30
Speaker 1: One of them was like a work colleague of his.
37:32
Speaker 1: The other one was actually a priest. And when Franco
37:35
Speaker 1: was coming into Madrid, they released them and they said,
37:39
Speaker 1: you guys are free to go. Well, the other two
37:41
Speaker 1: guys went to collect their things. They had, you know,
37:43
Speaker 1: they had confiscated like a wallet and an ID or
37:47
Speaker 1: whatever from them when they were first arrested. And my
37:50
Speaker 1: great grandfather just was like, you're saying I can go?
37:53
Speaker 1: And he just booked it out of there. And then
37:55
Speaker 1: he found out that the other two were actually shot.
37:58
Speaker 1: as they were trying to leave to collect their things.
38:01
Speaker 1: So my family's history is just one of overwhelming gratitude
38:06
Speaker 1: to Francisco Franco. And I know that that's a controversial
38:08
Speaker 1: thing to say, but that, I mean, he could have died.
38:12
Speaker 1: I mean, in the case of my extended family member
38:16
Speaker 1: who was a priest, he did die. So many of
38:18
Speaker 1: their friends, I mean, lost everything because of this movement,
38:22
Speaker 1: because of this unhuman takeover of Spain. And you see people,
38:29
Speaker 1: specifically this guy, James Lindsay, who will respond to Franco
38:33
Speaker 1: Fridays in this really bizarre way, like how could you
38:35
Speaker 1: ever love Franco? And I think, I guess the takeaway
38:38
Speaker 1: is that we should have just allowed the killings and
38:42
Speaker 1: the murder and the atrocities because democracy, right? Democracy is
38:46
Speaker 1: the greatest of all principles. And so therefore we have
38:49
Speaker 1: to keep the democracy going and we shouldn't have allowed
38:52
Speaker 1: Francisco Franco to come in and And to take over
38:55
Speaker 1: and to be a supposed dictator, although he had a
38:58
Speaker 1: deep reverence for the monarchy. So he wasn't really a
39:02
Speaker 1: full-on dictator as they tried to say he is or
39:04
Speaker 1: a fascist.
39:05
Speaker 2: He restored the monarchy, which is something that they always
39:08
Speaker 2: leave out. He restored the monarchy and then he was
39:10
Speaker 2: appointed essentially the regent of Spain by the king of Spain,
39:15
Speaker 2: which had been the previous government.
39:17
Speaker 1: Right, and they'll say that he's also a supporter of
39:19
Speaker 1: Hitler himself. World War II breaks out. Franco stayed completely
39:22
Speaker 1: out of it. He did not support Hitler during World
39:24
Speaker 1: War II. This is a lie that he was like
39:26
Speaker 1: a great friend of his. That's fake.
39:28
Speaker 2: And so we had this idea of- like- There's many
39:34
Speaker 2: people of Jewish distraction in Spain who point out that
39:38
Speaker 2: they were not rolled up by the Third Reich or
39:42
Speaker 2: any of the horrific situations that took place because Franco
39:45
Speaker 2: did actually protect them. Yes. Yes.
39:48
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just a complete historical revisionism around this,
39:51
Speaker 1: but people will respond to somebody who has accurate view
39:54
Speaker 1: of history of the actual view of the events that went,
39:56
Speaker 1: went on like you and I, and they'll say this
39:58
Speaker 1: James Lindsay guy that, Oh, well you guys are a
39:59
Speaker 1: part of the woke right. This is like these right
40:03
Speaker 1: wingers who are just woke, but right wing. And they,
40:06
Speaker 1: they do all the same horrible things that the woke
40:08
Speaker 1: left does. Can you explain a little bit what, what
40:11
Speaker 1: does he mean by woke right? And, and, and is
40:14
Speaker 1: it even a thing?
40:16
Speaker 2: So, no, it's, it's, it's not a thing. And, uh,
40:19
Speaker 2: You know, there's man, there's so much I could I
40:20
Speaker 2: could explain there. But but one of the pieces is
40:23
Speaker 2: and I'll go back to the Unhumans book and just
40:25
Speaker 2: point out to say that, you know, we we advocate
40:28
Speaker 2: so strongly page after page after page in the book
40:31
Speaker 2: saying that we don't want a civil war. We are
40:34
Speaker 2: trying to prevent all of these things from happening. We
40:37
Speaker 2: are trying to prevent a communist revolution, which, by the way,
40:42
Speaker 2: was in the cards prior to Trump winning and is
40:45
Speaker 2: still in the cards today. if Trump's agenda and all
40:49
Speaker 2: of these things are not fixed, if you don't fix
40:51
Speaker 2: the massive wealth disparities in the United States right now,
40:55
Speaker 2: and call me a lib for talking about this, but no,
40:58
Speaker 2: it's actually true that the 1% is extremely wealthy and
41:02
Speaker 2: the middle class and the working class in this country
41:05
Speaker 2: have been completely screwed over for years. This is what led,
41:10
Speaker 2: exacerbated by COVID, exacerbated by globalism, exacerbated by so many
41:13
Speaker 2: things and the money printing, et cetera, et cetera. And
41:16
Speaker 2: so This is what led the outbreak of the Second
41:21
Speaker 2: World War. This is what led to the revolutions across Europe.
41:24
Speaker 2: It always comes down to either wealth disparity or land disparity,
41:29
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. This is what causes people to
41:32
Speaker 2: revolt and join movements like this. We don't want those
41:36
Speaker 2: things to happen. That's why, personally, I support Trump's ideas.
41:39
Speaker 2: I say, yeah, let's help everybody get rich. I think
41:41
Speaker 2: this is a great way to get out of. The
41:44
Speaker 2: situation that we're in, it's worked in the past here
41:46
Speaker 2: in the United States, prevented outbreaks of communism when the
41:49
Speaker 2: communists and the reds, by the way, were trapped. The
41:52
Speaker 2: whole labor movement was essentially founded by communist infiltrators in
41:56
Speaker 2: the United States. So sorry to all the guys who
41:58
Speaker 2: are loving the labor unions and these marches on Washington
42:03
Speaker 2: and things. But no, these were literally communist infiltrators coming
42:08
Speaker 2: in from the 1800s on. And I wrote a whole
42:10
Speaker 2: book about that, too. And it was fun. It was
42:13
Speaker 2: all a bunch of Soviets and they were just looting
42:14
Speaker 2: the treasury of Russia. By the way, in Spain, they
42:17
Speaker 2: took all the gold out of Madrid and sent it
42:21
Speaker 2: straight to Moscow. Just criminals. They're literally just criminals.
42:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was completely propped up by the USSR.
42:29
Speaker 2: By the Soviet, yeah. Yeah, so the idea that... Right,
42:32
Speaker 2: and it turns into this sort of like mini preview
42:34
Speaker 2: of World War II where the USSR is just sending
42:36
Speaker 2: tanks and airplanes over and it's absolutely horrific. And so
42:40
Speaker 2: the idea that there's a woke right is ridiculous and
42:44
Speaker 2: this is a phenomenon that i've noticed that's been it's
42:47
Speaker 2: a forced meme and it's pushed largely so i mentioned
42:50
Speaker 2: uh gen z's and millennials and the people who tend
42:54
Speaker 2: to who try to are trying so hard to make
42:56
Speaker 2: woke write a thing all tend to be uniformly gen
43:00
Speaker 2: x all of them are uniformly gen x or at
43:03
Speaker 2: least like getting their ideas from people who are gen
43:06
Speaker 2: x and why is this well sorry, Gen X, you're
43:10
Speaker 2: not going to like this part. This is because a
43:12
Speaker 2: lot of people in the Gen X are what I
43:14
Speaker 2: would like to call woke light. And what is woke light?
43:18
Speaker 2: Woke light is this idea that you believe in these
43:22
Speaker 2: like universal egalitarian issues of multiculturalism and universality, and everyone
43:28
Speaker 2: is the same. And, you know, you know, we're all this,
43:31
Speaker 2: we're all that equality. And, It's sort of like these
43:35
Speaker 2: hippie ideals that started in the baby boomer generation and
43:39
Speaker 2: then were sort of passed on to Gen X as well.
43:43
Speaker 2: This leads to a lot of really bad ideas out
43:47
Speaker 2: there where they'll say things like, well, if you oppose
43:50
Speaker 2: communism too much, then you're being woke. It's like, wait, what?
43:54
Speaker 2: How is that woke? If Donald Trump is posting the St.
43:58
Speaker 2: Michael the Archangel prayer, that's woke. It's like, what? How
44:02
Speaker 2: is that woke? It was literally Michaelmas. It's a Catholic
44:06
Speaker 2: feast day. It's a Protestant prayer. I say that prayer
44:09
Speaker 2: every single day with my kids. It's a great prayer.
44:13
Speaker 2: It's a very powerful prayer. It's said at the end
44:15
Speaker 2: of pretty much every single mass almost everywhere in the world,
44:19
Speaker 2: unless your church is too woke modernist. And so it's
44:23
Speaker 2: just a traditional prayer. But so The reason that they
44:28
Speaker 2: believe it to be woke is because they themselves, and
44:31
Speaker 2: they won't admit this, is that this group of people,
44:34
Speaker 2: what they're actually doing is trying to uphold an earlier
44:37
Speaker 2: version of wokeness, sort of like a early Barack Obama,
44:42
Speaker 2: like 2008 consensus of wokeness, where it's like you've got
44:47
Speaker 2: your gay marriage support, you've got your pride parades. you've
44:51
Speaker 2: got your same-sex marriage, but it's basically everything except trans, right?
44:55
Speaker 2: It's like everything's in place. Affirmative action is still firmly
45:01
Speaker 2: in place in this world. Reparations are totally on the
45:04
Speaker 2: table in this world. It's just everything right up to
45:08
Speaker 2: like full-on DEI and the full-on trans movement, but everything
45:12
Speaker 2: else they're totally okay with. So if you try to
45:15
Speaker 2: push back on any of those things and just say,
45:18
Speaker 2: Something like, hey, I think we should go back to
45:20
Speaker 2: being a meritocracy. I think people should be able to
45:22
Speaker 2: sink or swim based on their own merits. As a
45:26
Speaker 2: Catholic and a Trump supporter, I'm not one of these
45:28
Speaker 2: guys who's like totally against social programs for like actual
45:32
Speaker 2: people in, you know, in poverty or in bad situations.
45:37
Speaker 2: You know, that's just something where I think I'm different
45:39
Speaker 2: from like the libertarians and the tradition I come from.
45:43
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, obviously those systems
45:44
Speaker 2: are totally gamed and they actually need to be like
45:46
Speaker 2: enforced properly and managed properly. And so, so no, like
45:50
Speaker 2: what we're actually standing for is something radically different. We
45:53
Speaker 2: actually want to go back to an earlier America, like
45:56
Speaker 2: a pre-60s America, which was America that worked really, really well.
46:01
Speaker 2: In fact, we won two world wars. We won a
46:03
Speaker 2: civil war, became this massive global superpower. But then in
46:08
Speaker 2: the meantime, you know, following the peace dividend from winning
46:11
Speaker 2: World War II and then winning the Cold War, we
46:14
Speaker 2: basically just decided to, like, engorge ourselves on all the
46:17
Speaker 2: winnings and try to become this massive, like, global government.
46:21
Speaker 2: And then we just got these really, you know, these
46:25
Speaker 2: affluent ideas where we started saying that everyone can be
46:29
Speaker 2: the same, you know, women can be men, men can
46:31
Speaker 2: be women, and, you know, every single group in the
46:33
Speaker 2: country is welcome, or, excuse me, every single group in
46:36
Speaker 2: the world is welcome, and it just doesn't work. It
46:38
Speaker 2: just literally doesn't work. None of this stuff works. And so...
46:42
Speaker 2: What these guys are doing is they're very upset because
46:46
Speaker 2: the consensus of the world that they grew up in,
46:50
Speaker 2: which was the boomer world, is now actually falling apart.
46:54
Speaker 2: And so rather than sort of try to understand why
46:58
Speaker 2: people are going against these things, they're just lashing out.
47:02
Speaker 1: I think it's getting to this question of what is America?
47:05
Speaker 1: What is American identity? I've been talking about this a
47:07
Speaker 1: lot for that reason, because if you are somebody like
47:11
Speaker 1: James Lindsay, who, by the way, let me just explain
47:13
Speaker 1: who this guy is. I mentioned who he is, and
47:14
Speaker 1: I didn't really explain who he is, but he's somebody
47:16
Speaker 1: who is very anti-woke left. And he has done some
47:21
Speaker 1: really good work exposing just how crazy and horrible our
47:25
Speaker 1: education system is by submitting these fake research papers and
47:30
Speaker 1: actually getting them published. And it was very absurd. I
47:32
Speaker 1: think there was a Joe Rogan episode. And that was
47:35
Speaker 1: a good thing that he did. But because he was
47:38
Speaker 1: anti-DEI and an anti-just radical left-wing wokeism, he was accepted
47:45
Speaker 1: into the right. And really, he's not right-wing. He's not
47:48
Speaker 1: a conservative. He's not a traditionalist. He's a liberal who
47:51
Speaker 1: just thinks leftists have gone too far. And there's a
47:55
Speaker 1: lot of people in our camp, I think, who are
47:58
Speaker 1: like that. And they can't answer accurately the question of,
48:02
Speaker 1: What does it mean to be an American? What is
48:05
Speaker 1: this country? And the answer, if you look at the
48:07
Speaker 1: founding fathers, is that we were founded as a Christian country.
48:10
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that we were set up for sectarian fighting,
48:13
Speaker 1: we weren't explicitly Protestant or explicitly Catholic, but that we
48:16
Speaker 1: were supposed to be a moral and religious people with
48:19
Speaker 1: a state that underpins the Christian values that have created
48:24
Speaker 1: the entire West. All of our constitutional founding is all
48:30
Speaker 1: underpinned by Christian moral teachings. And you can't just separate
48:34
Speaker 1: that from who we are. And this is deeply disturbing
48:37
Speaker 1: to someone like James Lindsay, who, like you said, sort
48:39
Speaker 1: of has this perception of America that's completely false, that
48:45
Speaker 1: is sort of morally relative and completely divorced really from
48:50
Speaker 1: the morals that you need to actually have as much
48:52
Speaker 1: freedom as we're afforded. And there's this question, as you
48:55
Speaker 1: look at the Spanish Civil War, like what did Franco
48:57
Speaker 1: do he leaned into the Catholic heritage of Spain. That's
49:02
Speaker 1: not our heritage. I'm a Catholic, but unfortunately that's not
49:05
Speaker 1: the heritage of America. But he leaned heavily into it
49:08
Speaker 1: and into the traditions and the mores of Spain. And
49:11
Speaker 1: I think we have to do the same thing here,
49:13
Speaker 1: although it's different than what Franco did in Spain, because
49:17
Speaker 1: America is not the same country. Jack, what should that
49:20
Speaker 1: look like here as we're trying to re-evaluate who we
49:24
Speaker 1: are as a people and move forward and shake off
49:27
Speaker 1: the moral relativism that has been so poisonous over the
49:30
Speaker 1: last few decades?
49:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, moral relativism is really the best way to put it.
49:34
Speaker 2: That's really what these guys stand for, Um, you know,
49:37
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot of them, many of them are
49:39
Speaker 2: atheists to begin with. And atheism is just another religion. Um,
49:44
Speaker 2: atheism will never be the majority religion in America. America
49:47
Speaker 2: will never, and it's just fundamentally can't be. It's also
49:50
Speaker 2: not the majority religion anywhere. Um, the only times it's
49:53
Speaker 2: been tried are the ones that we spoke about, uh,
49:56
Speaker 2: the communist, the communist attempts to overthrow, uh, countries and people,
50:00
Speaker 2: and that it's always ended in abject failure. Um, America's
50:03
Speaker 2: always America at its founding was a Christian majority nation.
50:06
Speaker 2: America has always been a Christian majority nation. America is
50:09
Speaker 2: currently actually still a Christian majority nation. Although, because what did,
50:15
Speaker 2: and we talk about this in the book as well,
50:17
Speaker 2: what was the first thing that the socialists and the
50:20
Speaker 2: communists did? What was the first attack vector in the 1960s, right?
50:25
Speaker 2: Get God out of the public square. So you go
50:28
Speaker 2: from the 1950s, right? And it's, you know, we're in
50:32
Speaker 2: Easter season again here. We're in Lent. We're getting up
50:34
Speaker 2: to Easter. And On Good Friday in the 1950s, what
50:39
Speaker 2: did you see? It was the three crosses of Calvary
50:44
Speaker 2: on the New York City skyline. Now, there wasn't a
50:47
Speaker 2: law that said they had to have that. We weren't
50:48
Speaker 2: some theocracy. We had pluralism. But we understood that it
50:52
Speaker 2: was okay to publicly express your Christian beliefs because this
50:57
Speaker 2: was our moral code. I got into it with David
51:00
Speaker 2: French once about this, where he said, you know, America's
51:02
Speaker 2: never been a theocracy. We've never had this. It's the
51:04
Speaker 2: blessings of liberty that that we don't have a, you know,
51:08
Speaker 2: a set church in here in America, which by the way,
51:10
Speaker 2: like it's, it's, that's because in England, there was a
51:13
Speaker 2: church of England that was the, which was the Anglican church,
51:15
Speaker 2: which had overthrown the Catholic church and stolen all the
51:18
Speaker 2: monasteries and, and, you know, just, just killed a whole
51:20
Speaker 2: bunch of people. And so the idea was that we
51:23
Speaker 2: weren't going to have a church of America and we
51:25
Speaker 2: were going to allow there to be, you know, it
51:27
Speaker 2: was largely Protestant, of course, at the founding, uh, there
51:29
Speaker 2: were Catholics as well, predominantly in Maryland. And, and even
51:33
Speaker 2: though Maryland never really became like majority Catholic, but that's
51:35
Speaker 2: like a whole other story. And so the idea was
51:39
Speaker 2: that there would be various strains of Christianity that would
51:44
Speaker 2: be allowed to exist in the country. But there wasn't
51:48
Speaker 2: an idea that Christianity couldn't be the Ten Commandments on
51:52
Speaker 2: display in courthouses or at the Supreme Court. I mean,
51:56
Speaker 2: this is literally the basis for our moral code. This
51:59
Speaker 2: is where we get our morality from. It comes from
52:03
Speaker 2: the Bibles. It comes directly from there. That's where the
52:06
Speaker 2: West was created. It was born out of biblical values.
52:11
Speaker 2: And so the idea of the sort of new atheist movement,
52:14
Speaker 2: Richard Dawkins and Hitchens and some of these guys was
52:17
Speaker 2: to strip that moral core away. And, you know, their
52:21
Speaker 2: earlier generation of it, what did they do originally was
52:24
Speaker 2: they drove God out of the public square. And when
52:26
Speaker 2: you drive God out of the public square, well, then
52:28
Speaker 2: everyone can be their own God. And you can go,
52:31
Speaker 2: you know, pick your own church and you can go
52:33
Speaker 2: wherever and or, you know, don't have a church or
52:35
Speaker 2: go to the, you know, the satanic church and the
52:37
Speaker 2: black mass or whatever it is like they had this
52:39
Speaker 2: thing in Kansas and, and well, we have, we have
52:41
Speaker 2: to support all of it because there's no God in
52:43
Speaker 2: the public square. It's ridiculous. It's not been part of
52:45
Speaker 2: our history, but the vast majority of American history schools
52:49
Speaker 2: would open with a recitation of the pledge of allegiance
52:52
Speaker 2: and a reading of the passage from the Bible.
52:55
Speaker 1: Yes.
52:55
Speaker 2: In public schools, this was a totally normal thing that
53:00
Speaker 2: went on for centuries. hundreds of years, almost a hundred,
53:03
Speaker 2: at least 150 years would go on in the United
53:06
Speaker 2: States and nobody had a problem with it. Why? Because
53:09
Speaker 2: the people who came to America and yes, migrated and
53:12
Speaker 2: pioneered and immigrated to America, they were by and large
53:16
Speaker 2: of the Christian stock. And so we were able to
53:19
Speaker 2: keep our schools and able to keep our society centered
53:23
Speaker 2: on Christian morality. That's where it all came from. When,
53:27
Speaker 2: when Ben Franklin and Scott, John Adams talked about a
53:31
Speaker 2: religious people they said this republic is for a religious
53:34
Speaker 2: people it will not work without a religion the religion
53:36
Speaker 2: they were talking about was christianity and no they didn't
53:41
Speaker 2: write it down but that was because at the time
53:43
Speaker 2: they couldn't fathom the idea that america would cease to
53:46
Speaker 2: be a christian majority nation it's like why don't fish
53:49
Speaker 2: talk about the water right because they're surrounded by it
53:52
Speaker 2: it's just it just is what it is um so
53:54
Speaker 2: it's you know it's like that meme of if you
53:56
Speaker 2: had you know if you had a time machine go
53:58
Speaker 2: back in time like Just write the word Christian somewhere, guys.
54:01
Speaker 2: Come on. And so and again, that doesn't necessarily mean theocracy. Right.
54:07
Speaker 2: What it means is all of this is derived from
54:11
Speaker 2: a specific set of morals that are outlined in the
54:14
Speaker 2: Christian Bible. It is very direct. It has always been
54:18
Speaker 2: part of our history. And all of this nonsense was overthrown.
54:21
Speaker 2: And so what do you go, by the way, what
54:23
Speaker 2: do you go and look up? And I don't actually
54:26
Speaker 2: I have to fact check myself because I haven't looked
54:27
Speaker 2: this up yet. But I remember this last year pointing
54:31
Speaker 2: out that the Empire State Building was lit up on
54:34
Speaker 2: Trans Day of Visibility with the transgender flag and the
54:38
Speaker 2: pride flag. Well, guess what, boys and girls? When you
54:41
Speaker 2: strip the moral core of a country away, that doesn't
54:45
Speaker 2: mean like we just magically turn into this like egalitarian utopia. No,
54:51
Speaker 2: a new religion will seek to overcome it and replace it.
54:55
Speaker 2: And guess what? That has been the religion of DEI.
54:59
Speaker 2: That has been the religion of LGBT. That has been
55:03
Speaker 2: the religion of critical race theory, the religion of new leftism.
55:07
Speaker 2: Why do they act like a religion? Because they are one.
55:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Jack, and something that does give me some
55:13
Speaker 1: hope as we look to this pagan America that we
55:16
Speaker 1: are undeniably becoming is there's a movement right now among
55:22
Speaker 1: young men especially to embrace what I think some of
55:26
Speaker 1: these men would call the woke right, right? Just traditionalism
55:30
Speaker 1: and authentic American identity. And it's really beautiful to see.
55:34
Speaker 1: And at the same time, Jack, we're seeing a real
55:36
Speaker 1: demonization of young red-pilled men who have been on the
55:42
Speaker 1: internet and I guess are now embracing just like, I
55:47
Speaker 1: guess more accurately, rejecting radical leftism en masse. I mean,
55:51
Speaker 1: there's a reason why men, Gen Z men swung 30
55:56
Speaker 1: points to the political right in the last four years.
55:59
Speaker 1: That Gen Z men hate, 20-year-old white men hate Democrats
56:03
Speaker 1: more than 75-year-old white men. I mean, these are unprecedented
56:06
Speaker 1: numbers we're seeing. And there's this new show that's out
56:09
Speaker 1: on Netflix. It was number one for a while. It's
56:11
Speaker 1: called Adolescence. It takes place in the UK. And it's
56:14
Speaker 1: about this little working class white boy who murders his
56:18
Speaker 1: classmate And it's all done with the intent not to
56:23
Speaker 1: draw attention to a real issue. There are no little
56:25
Speaker 1: white boys killing young girls in the UK, but instead
56:29
Speaker 1: to create this narrative that red-pilled young men are a
56:32
Speaker 1: dangerous society. And you had a really interesting take on this, Jack.
56:36
Speaker 1: You had a theory for why they are pushing this
56:39
Speaker 1: right now, but perhaps a pretext for censorship.
56:44
Speaker 2: Well, so, yeah, the movie or, you know, limited series adolescence,
56:48
Speaker 2: it's this is blood libel against white males. I mean,
56:50
Speaker 2: there's there's no question about this. You know, this is
56:53
Speaker 2: also one of the reasons that it's been picked up
56:55
Speaker 2: so heavily in the UK. It's being pushed by the
56:57
Speaker 2: UK prime minister. Kirsten is because of the pedophile migrant
57:01
Speaker 2: scandal that erupted recently in the UK, one which, by
57:06
Speaker 2: the way, he himself, when he was a local prosecutor,
57:10
Speaker 2: looked the other way on. So this is something where.
57:13
Speaker 2: You know, he was totally embroiled in the scandal where
57:16
Speaker 2: there was the industrial size mass rape of young British
57:22
Speaker 2: girls by migrants.
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Speaker 1: Over a thousand of them.
57:25
Speaker 2: Yes. And they were they were tricked out. They were
57:29
Speaker 2: sold as chattel slaves, rape slaves, essentially these young working
57:33
Speaker 2: class girls to be raped multiple times a day. And
57:37
Speaker 2: these these migrants, many Pakistani, but also some Arab as well,
57:41
Speaker 2: were were were making money off of this. They were
57:43
Speaker 2: they were getting paid to do this. And they were
57:46
Speaker 2: they were pimping out these young working class white girls
57:49
Speaker 2: in in Britain, in these in these areas that have
57:51
Speaker 2: been devastated by many of the same economic forces that
57:54
Speaker 2: we've been talking about. And so Keir Starmer himself, currently
57:58
Speaker 2: the UK prime minister, having looked the other way on this,
58:02
Speaker 2: Elon Musk had been tweeting about it. A lot of
58:03
Speaker 2: people had been really blowing it up on X. So
58:07
Speaker 2: suddenly his response to all this is, well, we've got
58:10
Speaker 2: to find a way to censor social media. We've got
58:13
Speaker 2: to find a way to go after live streamers, to
58:15
Speaker 2: go after people like Human Events Daily or the Bongino
58:19
Speaker 2: Report or Evita Duffy or Steve Bannon, Charlie Kirk, et cetera.
58:23
Speaker 2: Or by the way, these other manosphere streamers, it's the
58:27
Speaker 2: manosphere's fault for talking about it. It's the manosphere. That's
58:31
Speaker 2: what we have to go after. And then think about it.
58:34
Speaker 2: Who could potentially be the best ally in this? Well,
58:41
Speaker 2: Netflix has been bleeding subscribers over the years. Why? Because
58:46
Speaker 2: they've been jacking up their month to month rates all
58:48
Speaker 2: the time. And who are they losing out to? They're
58:51
Speaker 2: losing out to YouTube and Rumble. Why? Because they give
58:55
Speaker 2: it away for free and Twitch and various other streamers
58:57
Speaker 2: as well, because they give it away for free. So,
59:00
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, here comes a natural ally. These guys
59:03
Speaker 2: with their massive propaganda platform and just, you know, flamethrower.
59:10
Speaker 2: of ability to get a message out across the world say,
59:13
Speaker 2: oh yeah, you know who's really bad are those online streamers,
59:18
Speaker 2: those online free streamers. People listen to them and they
59:21
Speaker 2: commit murder. No evidence for this whatsoever. There's no evidence
59:24
Speaker 2: at all. You can dig into the stats on this.
59:27
Speaker 2: There's no... case they based the whole thing on was
59:30
Speaker 2: actually a black migrant from Africa who killed a white
59:34
Speaker 2: girl on a bus and stabbed her to death. And
59:36
Speaker 2: they decided to change it in this film to be
59:39
Speaker 2: a limited series to change it into a young working
59:43
Speaker 2: class white boy who's like listening to Andrew Tate, you know,
59:46
Speaker 2: type people online and manosphere type people and then goes
59:50
Speaker 2: off and commits this murder, I guess, because they told
59:52
Speaker 2: him to or something. It's not really clear. And it's fictional.
59:57
Speaker 2: This is propaganda at its finest. This is indoctrination. This
1:00:00
Speaker 2: is something out of 1984. And it's done based on
1:00:02
Speaker 2: cultural Marxist lines. They're totally ignoring the massive crimes of
1:00:07
Speaker 2: actual night crime in the UK, which are perpetuated largely
1:00:11
Speaker 2: by migrants, particularly in London, by the way. And there
1:00:15
Speaker 2: are stats after stats from 2018, 2019 studies that all
1:00:18
Speaker 2: show this, that those are by and large the people
1:00:22
Speaker 2: who commit the crimes, which are, by the way, grossly
1:00:25
Speaker 2: overrepresented compared to their percentage of the population of London
1:00:29
Speaker 2: and the UK writ large. And so they'll never tell
1:00:32
Speaker 2: you the truth about this. They'll never talk about those crimes.
1:00:35
Speaker 2: They'll never be making series about the massive Rotherham scandal,
1:00:38
Speaker 2: the thousands of young British girls who were raped by
1:00:42
Speaker 2: migrants and tricked out by them. They'll never make shows
1:00:45
Speaker 2: about that. But what they'll do is and this is
1:00:48
Speaker 2: this is the problem I talked about before when we
1:00:50
Speaker 2: started this whole thing. Why do you care about the
1:00:52
Speaker 2: movie so much? Because that's where people get their worldview from.
1:00:56
Speaker 2: That's what people believe. I can sit here and show
1:00:59
Speaker 2: you charts and statistics and talk about these things all
1:01:03
Speaker 2: day long. But at the end of the day, the
1:01:06
Speaker 2: average person isn't going to look at all that stuff.
1:01:08
Speaker 2: What are they going to see? They're going to come
1:01:09
Speaker 2: down and say, hey, what's playing at the movie theater?
1:01:12
Speaker 2: What's on Netflix? And they're going to click it and
1:01:13
Speaker 2: they're going to watch it and say, oh, my gosh,
1:01:16
Speaker 2: I can't believe those young white men are so bad.
1:01:19
Speaker 2: How did they get this way? Oh, they were watching
1:01:23
Speaker 2: Jack Posobiec and Charlie Kirk and Evita Duffy and Andrew Taylor, whoever, right? Online,
1:01:28
Speaker 2: we've got to go and censor those guys. And guess what?
1:01:31
Speaker 2: That means censoring X, which we already know has been
1:01:34
Speaker 2: something that the EU and the UK have talked about doing.
1:01:36
Speaker 2: They already arrest people in the UK for making posts.
1:01:39
Speaker 2: There's no such thing as free speech in the UK.
1:01:41
Speaker 2: They've never had a First Amendment to begin with. But
1:01:43
Speaker 2: now they'll arrest you for making jokes online, for posting
1:01:45
Speaker 2: memes online. It will continue to get worse. That's what
1:01:48
Speaker 2: this show is. And what kills me, Evita, what really
1:01:51
Speaker 2: kills me is there are conservatives who will sit down
1:01:55
Speaker 2: and watch that and say, wow, that's a really good show.
1:01:58
Speaker 2: That's an important issue. We really need to focus on that.
1:02:01
Speaker 2: It's sickening.
1:02:02
Speaker 1: We're going to form, I guess the UK wants to
1:02:05
Speaker 1: form policy around a fictional TV series, Netflix series that
1:02:09
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with reality. And the point about
1:02:12
Speaker 1: Netflix having an actual monetary incentive to put this out
1:02:16
Speaker 1: there is so smart, Jack. I didn't even think about that,
1:02:18
Speaker 1: but you're right. I mean, if I look at what
1:02:21
Speaker 1: do young people watch these days, first of all, they
1:02:23
Speaker 1: don't consume corporate media at all. Like this is just,
1:02:26
Speaker 1: it's done. The young people don't do it. But YouTube,
1:02:30
Speaker 1: I mean, think about like Mr. Beast on YouTube. Like
1:02:32
Speaker 1: these are like, little kids love that. Like they're, when
1:02:35
Speaker 1: we talk about media and like what are people listening to,
1:02:37
Speaker 1: it's podcasts. It is scrolling through your X feed or
1:02:41
Speaker 1: your Instagram reels. Netflix doesn't have the kind of power
1:02:45
Speaker 1: that it enjoyed a few years ago just because there's
1:02:48
Speaker 1: so much more information. And even with the Trump admin,
1:02:51
Speaker 1: we've democratized information to a much greater level. There's much
1:02:54
Speaker 1: more free speech in the digital public square than there
1:02:57
Speaker 1: was under Joe Biden. And so, of course, there is
1:03:00
Speaker 1: an incentive for somebody like Netflix to say, hey, let's
1:03:03
Speaker 1: just get rid of all these voices so that there's
1:03:06
Speaker 1: much less content for people to pick from and then
1:03:08
Speaker 1: will inevitably benefit from it. I mean, it makes perfect sense.
1:03:11
Speaker 1: And it's also disgusting because, again, it is libel against
1:03:15
Speaker 1: white males who are simply taking back agency from a
1:03:19
Speaker 1: system and a West that has routinely, I think, not
1:03:23
Speaker 1: only persecuted them with DEI, but but also, and demonize
1:03:27
Speaker 1: them and their masculinity is toxic, but also just set
1:03:30
Speaker 1: up the world against, I mean, just manufacturing jobs disappearing
1:03:35
Speaker 1: from America. I mean, millions of them in the last
1:03:38
Speaker 1: two decades, mostly male-dominated jobs. They're not graduating from college
1:03:42
Speaker 1: at the same rates. Men make up 80% of suicides. Like,
1:03:44
Speaker 1: there's so much for them to say, yeah, you know what?
1:03:47
Speaker 1: The liberal order of things isn't working for me, and
1:03:49
Speaker 1: I'm going to do something different. It's so much to
1:03:52
Speaker 1: think about, Jack, and you're right. The stories matter. People say, oh,
1:03:55
Speaker 1: I don't care about culture. I care about the policies.
1:03:57
Speaker 1: I care about politics. The stories always have mattered. The
1:04:01
Speaker 1: stories are real and they inform who we are and
1:04:04
Speaker 1: what we are in such a powerful way that it's
1:04:08
Speaker 1: always worth talking about. Jack, I want to be respectful
1:04:10
Speaker 1: of your time. Where can people go to follow you
1:04:14
Speaker 1: and all of your work?
1:04:14
Speaker 2: I appreciate that so much, Evita. And it's unhumansbook.com if
1:04:19
Speaker 2: you want to get the book to understand what's actually
1:04:23
Speaker 2: going on in the world. You read this thing, you'll find,
1:04:26
Speaker 2: we discovered the playbook. We discovered the blueprint that the
1:04:29
Speaker 2: leftists have been using for hundreds of years to undermine civilizations,
1:04:33
Speaker 2: to undermine humanity itself. And it doesn't matter what part
1:04:36
Speaker 2: of the world it's in. We get into, you know, other,
1:04:38
Speaker 2: we get into Cuba, you know, we get into Haiti,
1:04:40
Speaker 2: we get into parts of, you know, Africa, South Africa,
1:04:43
Speaker 2: we get into obviously France, Russia, China, Spain. And we
1:04:47
Speaker 2: talk about the United States, even in the 1960s, which
1:04:49
Speaker 2: experience it essentially a soft communist revolution. And so when
1:04:54
Speaker 2: you see things that are going on in our world today,
1:04:56
Speaker 2: you'll say, I can't believe that that's so crazy. But
1:04:58
Speaker 2: if you actually flip it on its head, you'll say, oh, well,
1:05:00
Speaker 2: this is just part of the playbook. And so when
1:05:02
Speaker 2: Luigi Maggioni happened, we said this is part of the playbook.
1:05:05
Speaker 2: When Tesla terrorists happened, this is part of the playbook.
1:05:07
Speaker 2: When Keir Starmer uses a propaganda tool to then create
1:05:12
Speaker 2: policy in the UK, part of the playbook. It's just
1:05:15
Speaker 2: over and over again. They only have one playbook. And
1:05:18
Speaker 2: we just found a way to actually steal their secret
1:05:23
Speaker 2: plans and present it to everyone. And that's why I
1:05:25
Speaker 2: think the book was so successful. It did go to
1:05:28
Speaker 2: the New York Times bestseller list. Dan, when he was around,
1:05:32
Speaker 2: we did a great interview. So, you know, much credit
1:05:34
Speaker 2: to him for helping us promote this thing, get it
1:05:36
Speaker 2: out there at the time. But it's, you know, it's
1:05:39
Speaker 2: really just taken on a life of its own. And
1:05:41
Speaker 2: it's truly been, of all the things that I've done,
1:05:43
Speaker 2: probably the most viral, just organically on its own. There
1:05:46
Speaker 2: are even There are Catholic bookstores that are selling it now.
1:05:50
Speaker 2: People send me pictures from around the country. There's a
1:05:53
Speaker 2: Catholic bookstore actually in in Wisconsin that was, you know,
1:05:56
Speaker 2: that was selling it. And there was a which I
1:05:58
Speaker 2: didn't I didn't write it to be an expressly Catholic
1:06:01
Speaker 2: book or a Christian book in any way, which which
1:06:03
Speaker 2: Tucker pointed out, actually said, I think this is Christian.
1:06:05
Speaker 2: And I said, I didn't write it that way. It's
1:06:08
Speaker 2: just those are the people who tend to be the
1:06:10
Speaker 2: victims and specifically the first victims of communism every time.
1:06:14
Speaker 2: And so, so yeah, I guess in a way it's
1:06:16
Speaker 2: in a sort of backwards way it is because those
1:06:17
Speaker 2: are the first victims of communism every single time because
1:06:20
Speaker 2: communism will not allow another religion. And there's clearly demonic
1:06:24
Speaker 2: forces that are, that are activating, uh, against Christianity. So
1:06:27
Speaker 2: you can go to unhumansbook.com, go to Amazon, get it there.
1:06:31
Speaker 2: If you do audio books, I, I'm an audio book
1:06:33
Speaker 2: guy myself, you know, the, you can find it there
1:06:35
Speaker 2: as well. And, uh, yeah, I'm up at human events
1:06:38
Speaker 2: daily 2 PM every single day. We're there of course
1:06:41
Speaker 2: on the war room all the time with Steve Vanden and, uh,
1:06:44
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk and I do a show every week called
1:06:45
Speaker 2: Thought Crime.
1:06:46
Speaker 1: Amazing. Jack, thank you so much for being here. And
1:06:49
Speaker 1: you guys, you look up the book, Unhumans. I have it.
1:06:52
Speaker 1: I've read it. It really is an amazing read. Thank you, Jack,
1:06:56
Speaker 1: so much for being here. And thank you all of
1:06:58
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