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DIDDY ESCAPES JUSTICE? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Breaking you tonight a dark day for crime victims and
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Speaker 2: women all over the world. Sean Combs aka Ditty has
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Speaker 2: been sentenced in a court of law to a measly
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Speaker 2: fifty months with time served that leaves just thirty six
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Speaker 2: months behind bars. Factor in good behavior, he'll be out
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Speaker 2: in no time. Judge, what were you thinking?
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories and I want
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Speaker 1: to thank you for being with us. Well, we've seen
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Speaker 1: it now.
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Speaker 2: In the last moments, the judge has sentenced Shawn Combs
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Speaker 2: aka Didty aka Puffy aka Puff Daddy aka.
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Speaker 1: Love, on and on and on. It goes to woolf
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Speaker 1: whopping three years.
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Speaker 2: Why because he's getting credit for time served with me
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Speaker 2: an all star panel. I'm sure that the victims all
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Speaker 2: across the country, victims of rape, victims of abuse, are
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Speaker 2: taking to their beds and tears or angry at this hour.
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Speaker 2: Straight out to Lynn Shaw, founder and director of Lynn's Warriors,
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Speaker 2: committed to fighting exploitation of women and girls, I feel
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Speaker 2: like taking my bed too.
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Speaker 1: I can't believe it.
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Speaker 3: I can't believe it either, and I've been getting so
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Speaker 3: many text messages just in the last five minutes about this.
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Speaker 3: I was getting phone calls even last night. What do
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Speaker 3: I think?
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Speaker 1: What happen? Here's the thing.
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Speaker 3: I want everybody to take a breath. Though of course
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Speaker 3: we had the Warriors want at the maximum sentence. We're
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Speaker 3: not lawyers, but anything, anytime women, girls, poison men or
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Speaker 3: exploit it, we want that person held accountable. So here's
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Speaker 3: what I have to say about everything. At least he
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Speaker 3: got something.
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Speaker 1: Is it enough?
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Speaker 3: It'll never be enough in our warriors book, But you
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Speaker 3: know what, it's better than nothing because we have a
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Speaker 3: lot of people walking around that there is no accountability.
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Speaker 3: As far as we're concerned. Though, this was not just
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Speaker 3: about this case of Diddy. This was about more than
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Speaker 3: one man. It was really for victims and survivors of
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Speaker 3: any kind of sexual assault and abuse exploitation. Really about
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Speaker 3: would somebody of power, wealth, all this opportunity, would he
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Speaker 3: be held accountable? So we're gonna have a lot of
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Speaker 3: cleanup we'll be doing tonight and all weekend about this.
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Speaker 3: But at least everybody should remember right now, he's still
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Speaker 3: in jail. He's not doing speaking engagements and getting on
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Speaker 3: his airplane and leaving town laughing in everybody's faces. So
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Speaker 3: we have to remember there's still more to come with
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Speaker 3: this story.
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Speaker 2: You know, now that you put it like that, Linshaw,
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Speaker 2: I think you've got a really good point. People thought
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Speaker 2: Sean Comes would walk free, and you know what, he's not.
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Speaker 2: He's already done, going on two years behind bars, and
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Speaker 2: he's got three more to look at. The actual sentence
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Speaker 2: is fifty months behind bars, but when you subtract the
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Speaker 2: fourteen months he's already got, that's where we're getting thirty
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Speaker 2: six months left to serve. And you know what, she's
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Speaker 2: got a point straight up to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst
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Speaker 2: joining us from the La Jurisdiction author. You can see
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Speaker 2: her on Peacock Now and you can find her at
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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, what do you
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Speaker 2: think about it? I'm shocked, Nancy.
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Speaker 4: I am gravely concerned that this short sentence is going
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Speaker 4: to have what we call a kindling effect, like using
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Speaker 4: kindling to make a fire. He's in just long enough
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Speaker 4: to contemplate his next move. As we already know, he's
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Speaker 4: probably putting out big feelers to start his empire. So
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Speaker 4: what is I got to think about in three years,
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Speaker 4: how to wreak vengeance on the victims, how to regain
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Speaker 4: control over everybody in his kingdom, how to reassemble his company.
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Speaker 4: This kind of a sentence is unfortunate because I do
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Speaker 4: consider him a sex offender, and sex offenders when they're
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Speaker 4: in jail they have nothing but their sexual fantasies, so
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Speaker 4: when they get out there more likely to offend. This
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Speaker 4: kind of a sentence is not a deterrent at all.
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Speaker 4: It is an accelerant. It is an accelerant on his
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Speaker 4: capacity to wield his power and engage in sexual abuse.
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Speaker 2: So, doctor Bethany, what about what Lann Shaw just said.
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Speaker 2: Because of his fame, his money, his high powered lawyers,
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Speaker 2: many people thought he would walk free. So is this
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Speaker 2: a symbolic victory? Okay, I think I know what Troy Slayton,
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Speaker 2: a veteran defense attorney, is about to say, joining us
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Speaker 2: out of la What about.
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Speaker 5: It is like this was fair based on what he
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Speaker 5: was convicted of. You've got to understand and remember that
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Speaker 5: the government lost the most serious of the charges here,
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Speaker 5: the charges that would have kept him in jail for decades.
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Speaker 5: So the judge here is limited to the sentencing guidelines
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Speaker 5: based on what he was convicted of, which is only prostitution,
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Speaker 5: one thing that he's a one thing.
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Speaker 1: That is a choice lighton.
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Speaker 2: You don't need to school me in the sentencing guidelines.
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Speaker 2: He Shongcoms could have gotten I'm still hearing him up
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Speaker 2: to ten years on each count run consecutively. That could
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Speaker 2: have been a twenty year sentence.
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Speaker 1: That's are you telling me? That's not what the official.
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Speaker 2: Code says, because it is twenty years was a possible sentence?
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Speaker 5: Well, the prosecutors here were asking for eleven years, and
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Speaker 5: the judge said.
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Speaker 1: Did I just ask you?
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Speaker 2: You're trying to tell me what's an appropriate sentence under
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Speaker 2: the Man Act. But the sentences are too ten years
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Speaker 2: on each count.
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Speaker 5: But nobody gets that that might be what is possible.
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Speaker 1: You're avoiding the question.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what joining me right now is Sam Croupin,
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Speaker 2: who was in the courtroom through Wow. He's an investigative
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Speaker 2: journalist and he is the star of Sampson's World on YouTube.
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Speaker 2: Sam Crouping, let me just start with a yes.
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Speaker 1: No from you. Isn't it true that sentencing.
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Speaker 2: Could have been up to ten years on each of
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Speaker 2: the two counts, which could have run consecutively.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that true?
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Speaker 6: That was a.
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Speaker 1: Maximum sentence it could have gotten. Yes, okay, it was
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Speaker 1: like pulling it to and.
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Speaker 2: Sam, I gotta tell you something. I'm a JD, not
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Speaker 2: a DDS. I don't know how to pull teeth, but
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Speaker 2: give me a set of pliers and I won't be
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Speaker 2: happy to try. I want to hear what exactly happened
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Speaker 2: in court today because we're told that Diddy and his
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Speaker 2: defense team made him out to be the victim about
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Speaker 2: how much he has suffered, even bringing up a knee
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Speaker 2: ailment in his professional video.
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Speaker 1: Really a knee ailment, Yeah.
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Speaker 7: To be honest with you.
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Speaker 8: They showed him running his marathon barely making it across
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Speaker 8: the finish line in a little bit what felt like
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Speaker 8: a wedding video, and most people inside the courtroom felt
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Speaker 8: that Diddy's defense team was kind of Once the kids
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Speaker 8: had gone up and spoken, it was so emotional. There
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Speaker 8: was not a dry eye in the room of the
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Speaker 8: children begging.
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Speaker 7: For their father back. But it's still it was just.
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Speaker 8: Not enough to sway judge of Bramanian at all, because
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Speaker 8: you know, he spoke up for women and victims all
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Speaker 8: throughout the world and said these were heinous crimes. The
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Speaker 8: probation had suggested sixty months. They gave him fifty months.
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Speaker 8: But with you know, his time served and good behavior,
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Speaker 8: people are saying he might only get about a year
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Speaker 8: and a half to two years.
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Speaker 1: Oh, you know what, I wish you had told me that.
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Speaker 2: But sorry, I heard you saying that the judge was
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Speaker 2: talking about sticking up for rape victims and assault victims.
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Speaker 1: Did you just say that.
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Speaker 2: And he cares so much about all these victims that
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Speaker 2: he gave Combs a slap on the wrist. I really
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Speaker 2: did not think that's what we were going to be
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Speaker 2: reporting tonight.
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Speaker 7: I'm sorry, but did you just say he could.
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Speaker 1: Walk in a little over a year.
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Speaker 8: I mean that is what people inside the courtroom are
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Speaker 8: saying that in first fifty months, it sounds like five years.
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Speaker 8: That is half of what the government would have liked,
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Speaker 8: Like you said, it could have been twenty years.
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Speaker 7: And I think this is.
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Speaker 8: A little bit of a slap, slap in the face
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Speaker 8: of the victims. Like you're saying, Nancy, that with good behavior,
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Speaker 8: his free Diddy game classes, he does time served, he's
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Speaker 8: looking at only a year and a half potentially.
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Speaker 2: You know, we h in the victims' rights community had
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Speaker 2: hoped for a serious sentence. Instead, Comes is going to
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Speaker 2: be out in no time, rubbing our noses in it.
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Speaker 1: And according to many of the victims, they're afraid.
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Speaker 2: They are actually afraid of him seeking vengeance when he
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Speaker 2: gets out, and they should be. Did I just hear
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Speaker 2: you Sam Krupen state that the defense.
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Speaker 1: Video looked like a wedding video? Why did you say that?
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Speaker 8: I mean it just it looked like a wedding video.
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Speaker 8: It looked like somebody would play it like somebody's seventieth birthday.
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Speaker 8: Beautiful music, well edited. But the problem was is and
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Speaker 8: I was surprised at the defense. Every every lawyer got
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Speaker 8: up and spoke, and it's like, let's give them the
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Speaker 8: light a little bit. Some people went on Miss Westmoreland Pride.
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Speaker 8: Some people viewed that as a little odd because as
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Speaker 8: a defense attorney, we should remain the you know, keep
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Speaker 8: our composure. So it was just after the kids spoke
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Speaker 8: and it was very emotional. A lot of people said
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Speaker 8: they should have gotten out, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 8: like that's the light blows the show. But they kept
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Speaker 8: going and they were beating a dead horse in my opinion,
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Speaker 8: and I don't think it helped the sentencing. I think
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Speaker 8: the judge knew all along how long he was going
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Speaker 8: to give. He did say, this is a severe crime
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Speaker 8: that deserves a severe sentence.
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Speaker 7: And to your point, Nancy, it's not that severe of a.
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Speaker 8: Sentence, even though he told us he was giving a
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Speaker 8: severe sentence.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm very perplexed by what the judge said,
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Speaker 2: going on and on and on about what awful crimes
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Speaker 2: had been committed. And at the very beginning he made
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Speaker 2: it clear that he the judge, could take into account
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Speaker 2: the charges for which Comes was acquitted, the sex trafficking charges,
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Speaker 2: but apparently he didn't, so he really just fussed out
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Speaker 2: Comes and then gave him a slap on the wrist.
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Speaker 2: And speaking of the so called wedding video, let's take
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Speaker 2: a look at the video that the court saw where
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Speaker 2: we're actually hearing Comes whining about his knee injury.
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Speaker 9: I mean, he's really devoted and dedicated himself to running.
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Speaker 7: You know, he's had some knee problems and.
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Speaker 6: A lot of people don't think he's going to finish.
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Speaker 10: He is going to finish, even if he has to
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Speaker 10: do it on one leg, because he's raised a lot
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Speaker 10: of money for kid's charities.
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Speaker 4: And he's not going to let all those people.
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Speaker 2: Down his knee injury, okay, Doctor Bethany Marshall, His knee
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Speaker 2: injury did not stop him from videoing women and all
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Speaker 2: sorts of sex positions while they were drugged, From beating
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Speaker 2: them mercilessly, from dragging them up and down the hallway
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Speaker 2: of the Intercontinental Hotel. That's the video that Judge should
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Speaker 2: have been thinking about.
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Speaker 4: Well, let's see, he had enough stamina to beat women,
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Speaker 4: to rape allegedly rape women, to throw freak offs that
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Speaker 4: lasted twenty thirty hours, to line up physicians and nurses
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Speaker 4: to give treatment to the victims after these parties were over.
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Speaker 4: Let's see, he had the energy to call and call
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Speaker 4: and call and bully and threatened his girlfriends. He had
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Speaker 4: enormous amounts of energy, Nancy, And he can't run a marathon.
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Speaker 4: I'm wondering if he is detoxing or this is a
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Speaker 4: part of his drug addiction, which he refers to in
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Speaker 4: his letter, and back to this kindling effect. If he
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Speaker 4: has as severe a drug problem as I have witnessed
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Speaker 4: through all of the tape you've been playing, and as
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Speaker 4: he attested to in his own letter to the judge.
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Speaker 4: A year and a half gives him just enough time
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Speaker 4: to get the fumes out and then go right back
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Speaker 4: out and start using again. Somebody with that kind of
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Speaker 4: a drug addiction, that kind of a power problem, sex addiction,
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Speaker 4: all the symptoms we've talked about, is a menace to society.
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Speaker 4: And I think Judge Subramanian really really did not take
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Speaker 4: the victims into account. It is an insult to them.
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Speaker 4: They have been re traumatized.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Sam Croupen joining us from outside the courthouse, star of
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Speaker 2: Sampson's World on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: Sam, is it true that the defense.
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Speaker 2: Painted Shawn Comb's as the victim in this scenario?
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Speaker 1: And I think I've got this straight.
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Speaker 2: The Shawn cohmbs stood up and said, I finally have
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Speaker 2: a chance to speak. WHOA didn't he have a chance
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Speaker 2: to speak at trial? But he didn't want to be
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Speaker 2: cross examined, so he chose to remain silent, right.
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Speaker 8: I mean, he had said, you know, it was so
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Speaker 8: hard this whole time not being able to talk. And
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Speaker 8: I think that kind of tells you a little bit
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Speaker 8: about his ego of here's a guy who's used to
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Speaker 8: going talk shows, award shows. Even when he comes into
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Speaker 8: the courtroom, he gives like the love emoji signed to everybody,
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Speaker 8: like he's on some weird talk show.
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Speaker 7: And I think, yeah, it's it's just.
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Speaker 8: The whole thing was was just It's so bizarre. But yeah,
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Speaker 8: they were painting him as the victim. Now he apologized,
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Speaker 8: he said sorry to Passie. But for sure, through that
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Speaker 8: eleven minute wedding video, like I stated, they in my opinion,
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Speaker 8: the defense, the defense didn't overkill all right when the
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Speaker 8: kids gave their testimony. Did he should have gave his
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Speaker 8: testimony and they should have gotten out. In my opinion,
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Speaker 8: they went too far and they did too much.
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Speaker 2: Well, Sam, obviously you and I are both wrong because
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Speaker 2: it worked. The judge him fifty months, Yeah, fifty months
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Speaker 2: with time served.
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Speaker 1: He's going to be out.
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Speaker 2: I'm checking my math because it's hard for me to
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Speaker 2: believe it.
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Speaker 1: Thirty six months with time served, right.
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Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say, but they portrayed
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Speaker 2: Sean Combs as the victim. Here is more of the
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Speaker 2: so called wedding video that Sam Cupen is describing. It's
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Speaker 2: a video put together by the defense that was played
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Speaker 2: for the judge and I guess the judge got his
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Speaker 2: popcorn and his diet coke and kicked back and soaked
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Speaker 2: it all in watch.
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Speaker 3: I had Kiddus trophy.
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Speaker 1: I want one of the best Person trophy.
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Speaker 9: And I know in order for me to get into heaven,
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Speaker 9: I'm not gonna get in there.
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Speaker 1: Will come on in heaven. You had twenty hit records.
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Speaker 1: I don't mean nothing.
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Speaker 7: And that's what this world is for.
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Speaker 9: Let's say, oh, come on in heaven, you was a
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Speaker 9: nice person.
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Speaker 1: The Best Person award.
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Speaker 2: Well, okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, I need
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Speaker 2: to recap of the evidence. Joining me is Crime Stories
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Speaker 2: investigative reporter and distant Sam Cupan at the courthouse. Sidney's
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Speaker 2: been on the case from the very beginning. Sidney, can
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Speaker 2: we just have a reality check? This is not the
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Speaker 2: Father of the Year, although he used his children a lot.
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Speaker 2: In sentencing today, how he wants to go back to.
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Speaker 1: Being a good dad? What a good dad?
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Speaker 2: He didn't live with the children, He didn't support that,
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Speaker 2: he didn't raise the children.
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Speaker 1: He did pay for them, that's true.
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Speaker 2: He was too busy having freak coughs that lasted two
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Speaker 2: and three days at a time all over the world.
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Speaker 2: He daddy wasn't there, but he sure as heck used
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Speaker 2: those children as props in court today. Can we just
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Speaker 2: refresh everybody about the evidence that came out in this case.
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Speaker 1: Including you, judge.
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Speaker 2: You need a refreshing of your recollection what came out
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Speaker 2: at trial, Sidney.
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Speaker 11: Dancy, The first thing that comes to mind for me
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Speaker 11: is Cassie describing her first freak offs where an escort
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Speaker 11: urinated in her mouth. That is the first thing that
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Speaker 11: comes to my mind when we think about the evidence that.
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Speaker 10: Came out at trial and shocking to me.
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Speaker 11: Colins and his letter to the judge was surprised at
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Speaker 11: what Jane had to say a trial.
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Speaker 10: He claimed that he had no idea he hurt her.
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Speaker 10: He thought he was supporting her and her child. And
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Speaker 10: it took her testifying at his federal trial about being
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Speaker 10: punched in the head and vomiting after having sex with
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Speaker 10: three escorts for him to get it through his head
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Speaker 10: that he was coercive and hurt her. We heard so
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Speaker 10: much bile information from many witnesses on the stand and
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Speaker 10: for him to say, I'm a model person, I do
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Speaker 10: charity work. My children who never needed me before need
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Speaker 10: me now. It's disgusting.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm just curious about what sticks with you
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Speaker 2: the most from this trial, Lynn Shaw. I think that
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Speaker 2: the Cassie venture up video where she was being beaten
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Speaker 2: and dragged up and down the halls of the Intercontinental
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Speaker 2: back to a freak ofugh that she was trying to
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Speaker 2: get away from Sydney may have topped me.
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Speaker 1: With the moment that.
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Speaker 2: She was forced to allow sex worker urinate into her
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Speaker 2: mouth on video.
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Speaker 1: Then there is the.
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Speaker 2: Moment when one of the victims went and threw up
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Speaker 2: in the shower after being forced to perform sex with
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Speaker 2: three male sex workers. Shawn Combs came back and beat her,
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Speaker 2: told her to clean up and get back out there.
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Speaker 2: That's something that sticks with me. Then you've got the
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Speaker 2: threatening of Cassie's parents to pay up money or he
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Speaker 2: would release X rated video and photos of their daughter,
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Speaker 2: Cassie Ventiro, who is just starting her singing career, and
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Speaker 2: they go take out a line of credit on their
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Speaker 2: home to pay off Combs, a multimillionaire. Those are just
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Speaker 2: a few things running through my line that I guess.
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Speaker 1: The judge forgot about, Lynshaw. Yeah, and I think the.
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Speaker 3: Judge also forgot about all of the victims of one
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Speaker 3: Shawn Combs and everything you just described. The one thing
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Speaker 3: that sticks out for me, Nancy, will always be that
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Speaker 3: video of Cassie being chased and beaten in the hallway
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Speaker 3: and dragged around like a rag doll. Why is everybody
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Speaker 3: falling for this Shawn Combs and he is the victim?
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Speaker 3: This is the playbook we see in court. It is
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Speaker 3: so exhausting, Nancy, all the time, play the victim. I'm
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Speaker 3: the victim, not the actual victim. It is time we
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Speaker 3: demand justice. We need to really blow up this whole
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Speaker 3: justice system and have a new understanding of what is
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Speaker 3: a sex trafficking victim. When Shawn Combs says like clean
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Speaker 3: yourself up and get back out there, you know, to perform, that's.
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Speaker 1: The talk of a pimp. He is a pimp.
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Speaker 3: So I want to know when are we going to
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Speaker 3: address the justice system itself and when are we going
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Speaker 3: to say we have to have a new understanding of
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Speaker 3: what a sex trafficking victim, an exploited person looks like
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Speaker 3: their trauma.
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Speaker 7: I am very worried.
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Speaker 3: I have so much of a heavy heart tonight about
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Speaker 3: this because of the victims of this and Cassie. I
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Speaker 3: understand from sources of ours really believed she came forward
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Speaker 3: originally because she thought he would be jailed for sex trafficking.
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Speaker 3: She laid out her heart, she laid out her stories,
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Speaker 3: her years of abuse, and she thought she'd never have
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Speaker 3: to see him outside of a jail again. And now
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Speaker 3: everybody is living in fear again. Power and wealth over
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Speaker 3: vulnerable people. The story never changes.
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Speaker 1: Sam Croupen joining us investigative journalist.
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Speaker 2: He is the star of Sampson's World on YouTube and
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Speaker 2: he's been on the case from the very beginning. Joining
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Speaker 2: us from the courthouse tonight, Sam, again, thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us. Is it true that after one lawyer
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Speaker 2: I'm embarrassed for her, Westmoreland breaks down and starts crying
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Speaker 2: and snotting in court?
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Speaker 1: Then you have another wait?
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Speaker 2: Maybe it was with Morland that also said there should
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Speaker 2: be a light sentence for Diddy because he.
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Speaker 1: Was awarded the men's Wear Designer of the Year award.
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Speaker 2: When the sentence went down, Sam, when the sentence went
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Speaker 2: down and the judge from the bench enunciated what the
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Speaker 2: sentence would be, what happened.
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Speaker 1: In the court room. Did all the defense attorneys start
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Speaker 1: high fiving?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 8: No, it was it was oddly very quiet. There wasn't
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Speaker 8: a celebration. I think a lot of people heard fifty
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Speaker 8: months and they're assume, okay, that's five years.
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Speaker 7: But no, people were not celebrating at all. And I
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Speaker 7: was going to say it.
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Speaker 8: Was interesting the way Judge of Romanian delivered it was
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Speaker 8: a bit like a dating reality show where they're like, well,
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Speaker 8: you know, Chad, you really had these great things, like
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Speaker 8: Diddy your career, you did so much for the community,
21:37
Speaker 8: and you the clothing line and all these great things
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Speaker 8: you did. However, you did all these awful things, and
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Speaker 8: he made it sound in the courtroom everybody was shaking
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Speaker 8: their head like, oh, snikes, he might get the full
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Speaker 8: ten years, the full twenty years. We thought he was
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Speaker 8: going to get much more by the tone that the
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Speaker 8: judge was giving out. But then, like you said, he
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Speaker 8: just gave basically a year and a half sentence while
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Speaker 8: telling the victims that this was their win.
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Speaker 7: It was almost a slap in the face.
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Speaker 2: At the same time, Hey, Sam, isn't it true that Mia,
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Speaker 2: one of comes as victims, was set to testify today
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Speaker 2: but then completely ignoring all the evidence. The defense sends
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Speaker 2: a letter to the judge trashing Mia.
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Speaker 1: What did the letter say? Whatever it was was enough
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Speaker 1: to scare her away from the courthouse?
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Speaker 7: Of course.
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean you can imagine for any of these
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Speaker 8: witnesses seeing the sentence of only basically a year and
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Speaker 8: a half after you break it down? Of course, would
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Speaker 8: you the fact that these women came to this court
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Speaker 8: building he wasn't convicted of the rico it felt, you know,
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Speaker 8: I saw these women. It was gut wrenching testimony. Cassie
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Speaker 8: was nine months pregnant. I have three children. I couldn't
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Speaker 8: imagine my wife having to sit and deliver such traumatic
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Speaker 8: words and experiences and relive it with a baby inside
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Speaker 8: you who's.
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Speaker 7: Also feeling all of those emotions.
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Speaker 8: So it's just I really feel for all of the
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Speaker 8: victims because these women came forward, they spoke their truth,
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Speaker 8: and I think at the end of the day that
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Speaker 8: our justice system potentially failed the victim, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, and the judge had this in the palm of
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Speaker 2: his hand to do.
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Speaker 1: The right thing, and sadly, federal judges are appointed for life.
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Speaker 2: Straight back out to Sidney Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter,
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Speaker 2: Let's do another reality check. Mia was intimidated and scared
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Speaker 2: away from coming to court.
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Speaker 1: She was set to testify and then backed out.
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Speaker 2: After a letter from the defense trashed her yet again.
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Speaker 2: What was her testimony? What did she live through? Sydney Sumner.
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Speaker 11: If we remember from trial, Mia was a former sent
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Speaker 11: to Sean.
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Speaker 10: Combs and she spoke under a pseudonym. She was not
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Speaker 10: using her real.
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Speaker 11: Name, but the Internet quickly found out her true identity.
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Speaker 11: So Nia testified that Seawan Holmes physically assaulted her numerous
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Speaker 11: times and even raped her three times while.
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Speaker 10: She was under his employe. Na said that she was
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Speaker 10: not allowed to leave colms home without.
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Speaker 11: His express permission, like she wasn't.
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Speaker 10: Allowed to clock out and go home, but she was not.
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Speaker 10: She was also not allowed to lock doors, so when
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Speaker 10: she went to sleep on a Holm's home, she wasn't
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Speaker 10: allowed to lock the door behind her and she woke
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Speaker 10: up one morning to Colmbs on top of her, raping her.
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Speaker 10: She described another situation where she was packing for Colms
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Speaker 10: to go on a trip and he attacked her while
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Speaker 10: she was in his closet packing his clothes.
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Speaker 11: She described one more physical assault from Calms on her
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Speaker 11: directly where he snatched herself phone and ran into a
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Speaker 11: men's bathroom, and she was worried that he would come
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Speaker 11: across text messages where she was complaining about him, so
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Speaker 11: she was trying to get her phone back, and he
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Speaker 11: slammed her arm in a door so hard she thought
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Speaker 11: he had broken it, and then calmly came out of
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Speaker 11: the bathroom a few minutes later, gave her her phone
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Speaker 11: back and said he had sent himself for nude photos
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Speaker 11: so that he had blackmail if she ever upset him
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Speaker 11: in the future. Mia was also there when Colmes attacked
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Speaker 11: Passy in a bedroom and gave her that gash on
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Speaker 11: her forehead that needed.
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Speaker 1: Chichis Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Guys, I want you to hear about the letter sent
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Speaker 2: by Combs's defense trashing the victim.
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Speaker 12: Mark Agnifhillo insists that Mia is not a victim of
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Speaker 12: anything in her entire testimony at trial. As an outright
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Speaker 12: line down to her voice and demeanor on the stand,
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Speaker 12: prosecutors can see that Mia is not a victim of
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Speaker 12: the crimes alleged in Comb's convictions, but super money and
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Speaker 12: allows the statement We've got.
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Speaker 2: So much more to say about the judge's weak sentence
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Speaker 2: on Sean Comb's but now straight out to doctor Dwayne Hendrix,
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Speaker 2: joining us former warden at MDC in Brooklyn, also warden
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Speaker 2: and Sheridan Oregon, author of Who Are.
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Speaker 1: You See It?
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Speaker 2: Say It Sees It, and he is the founder of
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Speaker 2: the New Daylight Foundation. Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, What will Combs
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Speaker 2: is first.
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Speaker 1: Night be like at the MDC.
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Speaker 2: I understand he's having spaghetti and meatballs, green beans and
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Speaker 2: salad tonight.
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Speaker 6: Oh, there's gonna be some very cold green beans spaghetti tonight.
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Speaker 7: I can say that.
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Speaker 6: I'm hoping that he doesn't really end up on a suice.
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Speaker 6: I watched this time because I understand that he has
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Speaker 6: some speaking engagements that he arranged in Miami next week
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Speaker 6: because I guess he thought he was going to get
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Speaker 6: that fourteen month sentence from time Sir. So he's going
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Speaker 6: to have a lot of soul searching and tomorrow I'm
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Speaker 6: hoping that his family comes and visits with him, because
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Speaker 6: he's probably going to be I know he's feeling real
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Speaker 6: defeated right now because I honestly believe he really thought
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Speaker 6: that he could outsmart.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think he thought.
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Speaker 6: I thought he thought he could out.
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Speaker 2: He's going to be out max thirty six months, and
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Speaker 2: that will probably be cutting down for good behavior. Please defeated. No, No,
27:44
Speaker 2: he's not feeling defeated. Well, of course, you know what,
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Speaker 2: straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, Let's analyze what Hindicks
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Speaker 2: just said. For Shawn comes not to get what he
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Speaker 2: wants when when it wants spaghetti. He probably does feel defeated.
27:58
Speaker 2: He doesn't understand he got a gift on a silver
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Speaker 2: platter on top of the Christmas tree handed to him
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Speaker 2: by the.
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Speaker 1: Judge in the last hours.
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Speaker 2: He probably is saying, poor penifol me because I forgot
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Speaker 2: all about him, Nancy.
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Speaker 4: He feels sorry for himself. He thought that he was
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Speaker 4: the ring leader of the circus of filth and he
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Speaker 4: could get away.
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Speaker 7: With whatever he wanted.
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Speaker 4: Do you know what one of his daughters testified to
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Speaker 4: She said that she felt she was finally going to
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Speaker 4: get her dad back, something to that effect, which implies
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Speaker 4: to me that Daddy was never there. As you were
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Speaker 4: pointing out earlier, he was not there.
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Speaker 7: He was at Freakoff's.
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Speaker 4: You know, Nancy, I think that what I'm seeing happening
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Speaker 4: in this courtroom today is evil. There's no other word
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Speaker 4: for it. I think it's a profound dissociation on the
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Speaker 4: part of the judge from the reality of women and
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Speaker 4: men being abused. It's a man in authority not really
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Speaker 4: thinking about the victims. And we're not just talking about
28:58
Speaker 4: the mental states of the victory. We're talking about real
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Speaker 4: physical safety and in terms of just dissociating from the
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Speaker 4: reality of what happened. I mean, I was just listening
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Speaker 4: right now to what you were saying. I mean, you're
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Speaker 4: talking about raping somebody, taking pictures of them and blackmailing them,
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Speaker 4: having a woman gang raped to the point where she
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Speaker 4: has mouth sores and chronic infections, giving money, taking it away,
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Speaker 4: slamming a woman against a table. It's like, have we
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Speaker 4: all lost our minds together our judicial system, thinking that
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Speaker 4: this is in any way appropriate. I worry that this
29:39
Speaker 4: judge might be what we call offender identified, meaning that
29:42
Speaker 4: there's something about the sexual crimes. I mean, I don't
29:46
Speaker 4: know this judge, but there's something about the sexual crimes
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Speaker 4: that really don't seem like that big deal to him.
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Speaker 4: I'm very, very worried about that.
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Speaker 2: Guys, we also know, believe it or not, that Comes
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Speaker 2: had arranged a speaking AI engagement in Miami for next week.
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Speaker 12: Listen prosecutor. Slavic tells the judge the pre sentencing reports
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Speaker 12: suggested sentence of sixty months does not adequately account for
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Speaker 12: the separate harms done to Cassie and Jane, informing him
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Speaker 12: her office stands by their request for one hundred and
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Speaker 12: thirty five months. Slavik calls Comb's respect for the law
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Speaker 12: lip service, revealing Combs has booked speaking engagements in Miami
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Speaker 12: as early as next week. Supermanian reminds the parties of
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Speaker 12: the federal guidelines for the charges, saying he sees no
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Speaker 12: reason to deviate from the recommended seventy to eighty seven
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Speaker 12: months between six and seven years behind bars.
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Speaker 2: Sam Coupon joining us, star of Samson's World on YouTube.
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Speaker 2: He's been on this case from the very very beginning,
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Speaker 2: joining us from the courthouse tonight.
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Speaker 1: Sam.
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Speaker 2: He actually had a speaking engagement set for next week
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Speaker 2: in Miami.
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Speaker 7: Hang on, hang on, Nan, let me just throw a
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Speaker 7: legal term at you.
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Speaker 1: Balls the size of coconuts sound.
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Speaker 7: Now, Hold on, Nancy.
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Speaker 8: It is not a speaking engagement, as Brian Steele said,
31:08
Speaker 8: it is a teaching engagement.
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Speaker 7: Okay, so let's get the right language here.
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Speaker 8: They were very specific. It was not speaking like he
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Speaker 8: was getting paid. They had it set up for Monday.
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Speaker 7: Isn't that crazy?
31:21
Speaker 8: They really thought he was coming out that he was
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Speaker 8: going to be able to go to Miami and do
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Speaker 8: a speaking engagement on Monday. And like I said, they
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Speaker 8: called it teaching engagement. You see how carefully they choose
31:31
Speaker 8: the words. But when they had said that, when miss
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Speaker 8: Slavic announced that he had a speaking engagement, the whole
31:38
Speaker 8: courtroom was like, EO, I think he's getting a little
31:41
Speaker 8: too far ahead of himself.
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Speaker 1: So he was so confident that he was going to
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Speaker 1: walk today.
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Speaker 2: He had a speaking slash teaching engagement Monday in Miami
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Speaker 2: set up, and I guarantee you be a big pr
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Speaker 2: evan how he.
31:56
Speaker 1: Has changed his life.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Troy slightly joining me LA criminal defense attorney? What
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Speaker 2: about that, Troy a speaking engagement on Monday?
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Speaker 5: I think that was probably a little bit optimistic on
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Speaker 5: behalf of Diddy and his handlers. But I think what
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Speaker 5: I'm hearing from all of your other guests about how
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Speaker 5: upset you are and how upset everybody is about what
32:23
Speaker 5: you perceive to be a light sentence here based on
32:27
Speaker 5: things like rape and all these parade of horribles that
32:31
Speaker 5: everyone has mentioned, including doctor Marshall, who I appreciate, and
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Speaker 5: Revere saying something about the get the pace.
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Speaker 4: Saying something about the judge being.
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Speaker 1: Please get to your point.
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Speaker 5: The point is that despite the parade of horribles from
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Speaker 5: all your other guests, he was sentenced for what he
32:51
Speaker 5: was convicted of.
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Speaker 4: He was not convicted of rape. He was not convicted
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Speaker 4: for all these.
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Speaker 2: Other Okay, let me remind you of what the judge
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Speaker 2: said at the get go. Okay, the judge said he
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Speaker 2: the judge could take into account all of the previous charges,
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Speaker 2: whether acquittals or not.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 12: Reviewing the pre sentencing report, Judge Supermanian finds the court
33:16
Speaker 12: can consider ac quitted conduct while forming a sentence a
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Speaker 12: loss for Combs. Supermanian also rules Cassie Jane and the
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Speaker 12: numerous hired male escorts are in fact victims. Supermanian denies
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Speaker 12: the defense objection to the report's finding Combs has not
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Speaker 12: taken responsibility for his actions, highlighting that Comb still full
33:35
Speaker 12: throatedly challenges his factual guilt. Supermanian also includes a coercion enhancement,
33:41
Speaker 12: citing Comb's threats to release freak off videos.
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Speaker 2: Even from behind bars, Sam Krupin joining us with the
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Speaker 2: court House. Shawn Comes was reprimanded and his lawyers as
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Speaker 2: well for trying to influence witnesses from behind bars. You
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Speaker 2: don't think he's going to seek vengeance now on everyone
34:05
Speaker 2: that spoke out against him.
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Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know. Maybe if he had.
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Speaker 8: Gotten that eleven year sentence or twenty year I would say, yes, Nancy,
34:13
Speaker 8: he's going to be in like that Adam Sandler movie
34:15
Speaker 8: Steve Boucemi, you know, crossing off the lift of everybody
34:18
Speaker 8: who wronged him.
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Speaker 7: But I feel because he's only getting around a year
34:22
Speaker 7: and a half a slap on the wrist.
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Speaker 8: Like we said, I don't think he's going to be
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Speaker 8: so vengeful because I think he's seeing light at the
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Speaker 8: end of the tunnel. If he wasn't seeing light at
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Speaker 8: the end of the tunnel, then I would totally agree
34:33
Speaker 8: with you that, Yes, I think he would make a
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Speaker 8: list and go after everybody who wronged him.
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Speaker 2: Is it true, Sam Creupin that in court, the defense claimed, Hey,
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Speaker 2: the reason all this happened is because did he's actually
34:47
Speaker 2: been high for twenty four years?
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Speaker 7: That's a defense pretty much.
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Speaker 8: They said he's been a drug addict for twenty five years.
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Speaker 8: It made him a erradic, It made him do all
34:58
Speaker 8: these things. Did He even said in his testimony that
35:01
Speaker 8: he was a drug addict and that was not him.
35:04
Speaker 8: His kids testify to saying, look, he's been sober the
35:07
Speaker 8: last fourteen months, the first time he's been sober off
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Speaker 8: opiates and the Obama, Maali and all the different stuff
35:14
Speaker 8: that he was on.
35:16
Speaker 7: But again it's forced sobriety.
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Speaker 8: Nancy, right, do you think had that hotel video not
35:22
Speaker 8: come out, had he not get caught, as a judge said,
35:26
Speaker 8: would the drug use have stopped? This is just Look,
35:29
Speaker 8: if anybody is forced to go to jail and has
35:31
Speaker 8: a drug or alcohol problem, you're gonna have to sober
35:33
Speaker 8: up one way or the other.
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Speaker 2: You know, I was looking at Sam the video that
35:39
Speaker 2: he submitted to the court, and I'm gonna play a
35:43
Speaker 2: little bit of that just a moment, sure, But instead
35:46
Speaker 2: of making me feel positively toward Combs, it made me
35:52
Speaker 2: feel the opposite because I saw all of the advantages,
35:57
Speaker 2: all of the money, all of the opportunities that he had,
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Speaker 2: but yet he squandered it in the worst way, doing
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Speaker 2: unspeakable acts. You know, most people don't have the money
36:11
Speaker 2: and the advantage and the privilege that Combs had, the
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Speaker 2: family to love, the beautiful mansions, the cars, the private
36:20
Speaker 2: jit he had, all of that sand Instead of using
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Speaker 2: it for anything good, he used it for pure evil.
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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, I mean show, you know, show.
36:33
Speaker 8: You know they always say, like give a man money
36:36
Speaker 8: and see who he really is. And I think we
36:40
Speaker 8: saw this love sick, drunk on power. I think we
36:43
Speaker 8: see as Americans and our culture we idolize celebrities just
36:48
Speaker 8: because we love a lot of the music and the
36:51
Speaker 8: entertainment he's brought us. We still need to understand that
36:55
Speaker 8: what he did to women. It's disgusting that the Cassie
36:58
Speaker 8: Ventura Intercontinental video is something that will stay in all
37:03
Speaker 8: of our minds and will scar us forever. Every time
37:06
Speaker 8: they play that. It took your stomach out. You know,
37:09
Speaker 8: it's just so this, you know, it's just disgusting anytime
37:14
Speaker 8: a man talks down to a woman or lifts a
37:17
Speaker 8: hand to a woman. It is just something that I
37:20
Speaker 8: have no patience for.
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Speaker 7: And I agree to you.
37:24
Speaker 8: You know, we we let him get away with this
37:27
Speaker 8: because we want to.
37:28
Speaker 7: We don't. We don't want to hate our idols.
37:31
Speaker 8: You know, it's this celebrity brings a whole new thing.
37:33
Speaker 8: If he wasn't a celebrity, we could probably all agree
37:37
Speaker 8: to throw the key away, you know, lock him up
37:38
Speaker 8: and throw the keyway. But I think so many people
37:41
Speaker 8: are so emotionally. I mean, look at the video kicking
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Speaker 8: a woman. I mean it's despicable behavior. And as the
37:49
Speaker 8: government was saying, this is the real Sean Combs, that
37:52
Speaker 8: eleven minute wedding video that we've seen that was well orchestrated,
37:57
Speaker 8: well edited, looked like a night commercial almost, that's something
38:02
Speaker 8: you play at a super Bowl.
38:04
Speaker 7: To me, it felt a.
38:05
Speaker 8: Little inappropriate that they even let that video be played
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Speaker 8: in the court, because they didn't let a video be
38:11
Speaker 8: played of all of Cassie's highlights and her being a
38:15
Speaker 8: mother and all the wonderful things she did.
38:17
Speaker 7: We just got to see.
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Speaker 8: Sean Combe celebrated, and frankly, I thought it.
38:23
Speaker 7: On the defense, it was kind of a mistake and
38:26
Speaker 7: a little bit inappropriate.
38:27
Speaker 8: I thought they should have given themselves the light and
38:30
Speaker 8: gotten out. You know, it was a comedian When they
38:33
Speaker 8: stay on stage too long, we call that a bomb.
38:36
Speaker 7: And that's a little bit of what's starting to happen
38:38
Speaker 7: with the defense. But like you said, it worked, so
38:41
Speaker 7: maybe you know their tactics work.
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Speaker 2: It worked, and he really really used his children.
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear what he said.
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Speaker 9: So instead of telling them about the guns in the violence,
38:52
Speaker 9: I was always telling about a bit of life. Places
38:55
Speaker 9: we didn't go before. Things we never wore, cause, rural
39:00
Speaker 9: houses we never lived in. I think I brought an
39:03
Speaker 9: aspiration to hip hop, try to take it out of
39:07
Speaker 9: just being street. Oh so it was a fantasy and
39:11
Speaker 9: a dream, my dream that I always felt would come true.
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Speaker 2: Is anybody hearing this, because what we hear him say
39:19
Speaker 2: right there, the aspirations a better life.
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Speaker 1: Places we didn't go.
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Speaker 2: Things, we never wore, cars, we never drove houses, we
39:31
Speaker 2: never lived in all material things.
39:35
Speaker 1: That's the aspiration is to wear nice.
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Speaker 2: Clothes, live in mansions, dry fancy cars. I mean, I
39:44
Speaker 2: pray to God, that is not what I'm teaching my children.
39:49
Speaker 1: I want them to know how to be good people, to.
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Speaker 2: Love the Lord, to help other people, to be kind
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Speaker 2: and patient. Not what car I didn't drive, what mansion
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Speaker 2: I didn't live in, what designer close?
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Speaker 1: Where this is all best awkwards?
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Speaker 10: Yeah?
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Speaker 8: No, I say, you know Nancy, it's like the simple
40:14
Speaker 8: teachings of Jesus. I'm Jewish, but you know, even I know,
40:18
Speaker 8: do unto others as you want done to yourself.
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Speaker 7: You reap what you sew. And I think, just like.
40:23
Speaker 8: You said, Nancy, I have sons, and there is there's
40:28
Speaker 8: and then I've totally failed them as a father if
40:32
Speaker 8: they could ever talk down and lift a hand to
40:34
Speaker 8: a woman.
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Speaker 7: And you know, yeah, this is just I mean, this is.
40:39
Speaker 8: Something like you mentioned all the material things, the cars,
40:42
Speaker 8: the mansions. I think this is a deeper problem with
40:45
Speaker 8: American culture is we celebrate millionaires.
40:48
Speaker 7: You know, I've had a lot before you.
40:49
Speaker 1: Go off on American culture.
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Speaker 2: And reminder, Sam, you and I both have the same lord,
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Speaker 2: regardless of where we.
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Speaker 7: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: Sam got a question. The children were in.
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Speaker 2: Court, correct, Yeah, I heard that they were squirming around
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Speaker 2: as the prosecution was describing what was done to the victims.
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Speaker 7: I mean, look the kids.
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Speaker 8: I really feel for the kids when they gave their statements.
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Speaker 8: When the twins got up there, they were begging for.
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Speaker 7: Their father back.
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Speaker 8: So as a father, you know, I mean, I don't
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Speaker 8: I didn't see them squirming around so much like you're saying.
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Speaker 8: I mean, I think everybody's been pretty respectful in the courtroom.
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Speaker 7: And when all the.
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Speaker 8: Kids got up there, what I saw was honestly children
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Speaker 8: who loved their father and and they were begging for
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Speaker 8: their father to come home.
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Speaker 7: And I, honestly I was tearing up. It was. It
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Speaker 7: was very emotional.
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Speaker 8: But no, I didn't see them necessarily fidgeting around or
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Speaker 8: being disrespectful at all. I think people are very careful
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Speaker 8: in that courtroom to watch your expressions. I mean, if
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Speaker 8: you start to fall asleep, if you're chewing gum, they
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Speaker 8: come right up to you and they will kick you out.
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Speaker 7: Of the courtroom.
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Speaker 8: So they don't they don't really take a lot of
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Speaker 8: you know, hums and odds in there.
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Speaker 2: I want to hear what he said in this video
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Speaker 2: about his children.
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Speaker 1: Listen today.
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Speaker 9: Now, I'm a full time dad and I'm gonna be
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Speaker 9: there for you.
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Speaker 4: Do everything all of y'all.
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Speaker 8: Every Sunday.
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Speaker 4: I got to slow everything down.
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Speaker 8: The family, Richard getting family and each other makes the
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Speaker 8: drugs watching church there.
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Speaker 2: Is a definition of it looks good, okay, More about
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Speaker 2: being a good dad to doctor Bethany Marshall all those
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Speaker 2: nights all over the world taping free coughs with him
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Speaker 2: butt naked, wearing a burka over his head.
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Speaker 1: You know, where was.
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Speaker 2: He then, who was taking care of his children? I mean,
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Speaker 2: I just find that he's using his.
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Speaker 1: Children to try and get a light sentence, and guess what,
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Speaker 1: it worked.
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Speaker 4: It did work, Nancy. You know, when I saw that
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Speaker 4: video earlier today, I thought, this is just one more manipulation,
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Speaker 4: but this time the attorneys are participating in it. And
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Speaker 4: this is how he seduced his victims in the first place.
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Speaker 4: He was manipulative. You know, I remember seeing a video
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Speaker 4: at the beginning of all of this at one of
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Speaker 4: his three cops that was on a ship and his
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Speaker 4: sons were there. So he involved and incorporated his sons
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Speaker 4: into these sex parties.
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Speaker 7: That is not a good dad.
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Speaker 4: And the reason those kids are crying is because their
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Speaker 4: dad rejected and abandoned them a long time ago, and
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Speaker 4: they had been led to believe by the court, by
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Speaker 4: the court that if they just put themselves out there
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Speaker 4: and speak honestly about wanting their dad back, that their
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Speaker 4: wish would be granted.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking about the sentence and what it
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Speaker 2: means to not only the victims in this case, but
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Speaker 2: rape victims and abuse victims all over the world, linn Shaw,
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Speaker 2: what does it mean?
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Speaker 3: It means to them abject failure. What happened today today
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Speaker 3: was an opportunity for this judge. Can you imagine, Nancy,
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Speaker 3: if he gave a really diff sentence to Shawn Colmes
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Speaker 3: to ditty, how that would have reverberated? Finally, victims would
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Speaker 3: say somebody somebody, because it's the same words all the time.
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Speaker 3: Somebody of wealth and power always wins over us. If
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Speaker 3: this judge really stuck to his guns, and it seemed,
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Speaker 3: you know, during the day he was going to be
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Speaker 3: a little stiffer in the sentence and he wasn't, that
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Speaker 3: would have really meant so much to victims. They could
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Speaker 3: finally say, we have somebody being held accountable. We are winning.
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Speaker 3: I have always said, this is not just about Shawn
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Speaker 3: Colms this case. It was about not just this one man.
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Speaker 7: It was overall.
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Speaker 3: And I'm really sick and tired of our society. It's
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Speaker 3: the justice system, and it's also society normalizing and becoming
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Speaker 3: habituated to these horrific crimes. I mean, do you hear
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Speaker 3: what we're talking about? Urinating in mouths, dragging, beating, sores, infections.
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Speaker 3: We're talking about horrible things that's just rolling off our tongues.
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Speaker 3: So society's becoming habituated. In the meantime, we are forgetting
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Speaker 3: about the victims. I don't care what sentence and guides are.
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Speaker 2: You're talking about a big societal problem. I'm talking about
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Speaker 2: a real, concrete problem, and that is this sentence. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: And I'm telling you right now, wherever they are, the
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Speaker 2: defense attorneys are all together, and that they're at a
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Speaker 2: five star restaurant and they are celebrating. They're like the
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Speaker 2: pigs around the table in animal farm, celebrating the mistreatment
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Speaker 2: of others. And you know what, he may have a
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Speaker 2: light sentence, he may, but when he gets out, he
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Speaker 2: will be having supper with Satan. I'm telling you what
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Speaker 2: he did will never be forgotten. And I pray that
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Speaker 2: he does come out of jail a changed person. But
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Speaker 2: when you don't know a horse, you look at his
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Speaker 2: track record. Tonight, on this dark night, for crime victims
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Speaker 2: and women all over the world, we stop and we
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Speaker 2: remember heroes, heroes that, against all odds, in the face
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Speaker 2: of likely defeat, continue to.
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Speaker 1: Come forward and let their voices be heard. Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: signing off good night friend,