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Shocking Details Emerge After Young Mom Cassie Carli Found Buried, Hidden in Remote Barn · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the search for a beautiful
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  Speaker 1: young Florida mom, Cassie Carly has come to an end.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious X
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  Speaker 1: one eleven. Listen to this. Cassie Carley, who's been missing
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  Speaker 1: down for about a week. We discovered her body while
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  Speaker 1: executing a search warrant in Alabama. It was in a
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  Speaker 1: barn in a shallow grave. So it's not the ending
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  Speaker 1: that we wanted, obviously, but we're hoping to provide a
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  Speaker 1: little closure for the family and also, as you know,
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  Speaker 1: as we reported earlier, the suspect is currently in jail
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  Speaker 1: and Mori County, Tennessee on the charges of tampering with
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  Speaker 1: evidence and giving false info reference missing person's investigation. Cassie's
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  Speaker 1: body has been found in a very, very unusual location.
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  Speaker 1: This is such a devastating blow to all of her
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  Speaker 1: family and friends desperate to find the missing mom after
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  Speaker 1: her Taught Girls sailor was found alive and well, you
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  Speaker 1: were just hearing Sheriff Bob Johnson from the Santa Rosa
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  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office. Now take a listen to our friends
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  Speaker 1: at w ea RTV. Sheriff Bob Johnson said it best.
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  Speaker 1: This is obviously not the ending anyone wanted. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I just spoke to a woman in the parking lot
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  Speaker 1: moments after that announcement. She tells me she's lived here
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  Speaker 1: for forty years and can't believe something like this would happen.
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  Speaker 1: Earlier today, at two pm, the Santa Rosa County Sheriff's
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  Speaker 1: Office held a press conference or Sheriff Johnson says authorities
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  Speaker 1: found Cassie Carly's body in a shallow grave inside a
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  Speaker 1: barn while executing a search warrant in Alabama. Sheriff Johnson
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  Speaker 1: says since this is an ongoing investigation, he couldn't say
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  Speaker 1: exactly what led authorities to that property, but he did
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  Speaker 1: add Cassie's ex boyfriend, Marcus Spanavello, has ties to it.
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff Johnson says he met with the family this morning
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  Speaker 1: to break the news. They're crushed, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it gives them some closure that they know where she's
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  Speaker 1: at now, but still it's their daughter. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: daughter and sister, and it is terrible. It's not something
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  Speaker 1: you look forward to do as a detective or as
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  Speaker 1: a sheriff's I think we have a great case, and
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  Speaker 1: I think he's either going to spend the rest of
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  Speaker 1: his life in prison or he's going to get the
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  Speaker 1: needle in a shallow grave inside of a barn another
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  Speaker 1: state away in Alabama. You were just hearing more from
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  Speaker 1: the local sheriff, But now here are friends At w
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  Speaker 1: VTM thirteen for the family of Cassie Carley, a week
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  Speaker 1: of hunting unknowns has come to a devastating conclusion. She
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  Speaker 1: loved her community, their community loved her back. I am
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  Speaker 1: just sub forever grateful for everyone, everyone we helped bring
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  Speaker 1: her own. Corly was last seen meeting her boyfriend, Marcus
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  Speaker 1: Spinivello at this beachside restaurant. They were swapping custody of
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  Speaker 1: their four year old daughter. Six days later, Corley's body
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  Speaker 1: was found buried in this Springville barn, two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: eighty nine miles away. Diane Fisher lives just up the road.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry that it happened. It could happen in any community,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't I'm not afraid God's got this. You
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  Speaker 1: were just hearing friends trying to sort out and make
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  Speaker 1: some type of peace with the murder. Of this young mom,
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  Speaker 1: Cassie Carly, But there will be no peace until there
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  Speaker 1: is justice in this case. Joining me an all star
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  Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now.
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  Speaker 1: Former felony prosecutor now renowned defense attorney in multiple jurisdictions.
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  Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen joining us and you can find him at
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  Speaker 1: c CEA Law dot com. Karen Stark Psychologists joining us
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  Speaker 1: from the Manhattan jurisdiction at Karen dot com. Lisa Daddio,
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  Speaker 1: former police Lieutenant Newhaven Police and now Director for the
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  Speaker 1: Center for Advancing Policing University New Haven. Doctor Tim Gallagher,
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  Speaker 1: medical examiner for the entire State of Florida, lecturer University
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  Speaker 1: Florida Medical School, FORENSICCT Medicine, and the founder and host
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  Speaker 1: of the International FORENSICCT Medicine Death Investigation Conference. But first
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  Speaker 1: to crime online dot COM's investigative reporter Dave mac Dave,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: first about the discovery of this young mom's body in
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  Speaker 1: a shallow grave inside of a barn. What can you
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  Speaker 1: tell me about the shallow grave where Cassie Carly's body
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  Speaker 1: was found. Well, it was found in an area of Springville, Alabama,
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  Speaker 1: which is about thirty minutes from downtown Birmingham north northeast,
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  Speaker 1: just off fifty nine. The area that it was found
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  Speaker 1: in very rural area. There was a house about one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards away from the barn. That house
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  Speaker 1: is something that Marcus Spain of Vala had been working
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  Speaker 1: on for the last several weeks. That was the connection
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  Speaker 1: to that property. Well, on just a moment, you're giving
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  Speaker 1: me a memory of another case that we covered together
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  Speaker 1: at Dave Mack and you also were on the case,
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  Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen. It was the case of a serial killer
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  Speaker 1: in Canada and one guy, a young males after the
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  Speaker 1: neck would go missing. Then they connected the dots and
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  Speaker 1: figured out they were all gay. Then one body was
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  Speaker 1: found in this family's backyard and nobody could figure out
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  Speaker 1: there was no connection between the family and the victim.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the people that lived in the home
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  Speaker 1: were elderly. I mean they're not going out committing murder
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  Speaker 1: and burying the body in the backyard. Finally, Daryl Cohen,
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  Speaker 1: it was connected to the gardener and cops started looking
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  Speaker 1: at other estates yards in which he had worked and
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  Speaker 1: discovered multiple dead bodies all across the city. No connection
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  Speaker 1: to the homeowner, but connection to the worker, the gardener,
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  Speaker 1: the landscaper. See what I'm saying, Daryl Cohen, Nancy, you
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  Speaker 1: never know when out of the clear blue sky, if
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  Speaker 1: you look carefully, what's going to happen. The gardener should
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  Speaker 1: not have been a suspect until your gardener was, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And people look too lawyers to say something incredibly profound
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  Speaker 1: and full of legalise in Latin terms, But you're right, Daryl,
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  Speaker 1: and Daryl, I remember the first time I saw you
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  Speaker 1: in the Fulton County courthouse you were still prosecuting, and
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  Speaker 1: that what you just said is exactly the way you
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  Speaker 1: have to explain it to a jury. You never suspect
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  Speaker 1: a certain person until suddenly you do, because the circumstances
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  Speaker 1: surrounding the crime don't always lend themselves to an apparent suspect. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: for those of you just joining us, the Senate, Rosa
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  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office has made a very upsetting announcement. The
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  Speaker 1: body of Cassie Crawley. This young mom, mom to four
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  Speaker 1: year old sailor and her younger sister, is dead. Her
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  Speaker 1: remains found in a shallow grape inside a barn to
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  Speaker 1: Karen Start joining us a renowned psychologist joining inside of
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  Speaker 1: Manhattan today. Karen, you and I have often marveled, not
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  Speaker 1: in a good way, at how people try to cover
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  Speaker 1: up bodies and why they feel the knee to Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: they'll leave the body out, but they'll cover the face
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  Speaker 1: with a blanket. Or I've told you about this case
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  Speaker 1: where a mom was killed in her own home and
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  Speaker 1: she was found lying naked in the bed, but the
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  Speaker 1: killer had put a wicker bathroom trash can over her head.
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  Speaker 1: It's just so bizarre to me. And in this case
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  Speaker 1: the body was buried in a shallow grape inside a barn.
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  Speaker 1: So aware of killers doing that, Nancy, And it is
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  Speaker 1: extremely perplexing to people. But what it's about is the
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  Speaker 1: feeling that they don't want their victim to look at them,
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  Speaker 1: even though the person is dead. They just have a
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  Speaker 1: very personal connection. Could be good, it could be bad,
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  Speaker 1: and they have this need to. Sometimes they even put
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  Speaker 1: a pillow underneath the head of their victim. And in
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  Speaker 1: this case, being buried in a shallow grave in a
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  Speaker 1: barn is very indicative to me that there's absolutely no
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  Speaker 1: feeling at all. It's like, just get rid of her
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  Speaker 1: sticker in a barn, sticker in a shallow grave, and
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  Speaker 1: really no attempt, which is surprising to conceal the body.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, think about it, Karen Starry. I know you're
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  Speaker 1: a city girl and you've probably never been on a
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  Speaker 1: working farm for very long. Please correct me if I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but you just don't strike me as a farm girl.
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  Speaker 1: That's the true, Karen. Think about it. Burying her in
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  Speaker 1: a shallow grave, just throwing a body in there, and
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  Speaker 1: that's the contempt, study feels carry her up in a
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  Speaker 1: barn that is for animals that will poop and urinate
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  Speaker 1: on top of the body. I mean, that's so full
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  Speaker 1: of psychological amplications. Look, I'm a trial lawyer, you're the shrink,
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  Speaker 1: but even I uneducated and psychology or psychiatry. No, there
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  Speaker 1: are many meanings to whoever buried her body under cow excrement,
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  Speaker 1: complete indifference, nancy contempt, contempt to the body. Absolutely, it
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  Speaker 1: could be a doll. Just toss it in that grave
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  Speaker 1: and cover it up. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: for those of you just joining us, this young mom,
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  Speaker 1: who I might add I'm now learning was living in
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  Speaker 1: fear of her ex has been found dead. I want
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  Speaker 1: you to hear from our friends at crime online, describing
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  Speaker 1: the fear that Cassie had when she would make these
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  Speaker 1: handoffs of custody. Usually it's done in a public place, okay.
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  Speaker 1: I remember one lawyer in the courthouse would go pick
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  Speaker 1: up his daughter at a McDonald's and then we'd drop
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  Speaker 1: her off at a McDonald's. That was what their lawyers
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  Speaker 1: thought was best. Cassie was so afraid she actually asked
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  Speaker 1: her father to bring guns concealed weapons to the handoffs
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  Speaker 1: of baby sailor listen to our friends at crime online.
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  Speaker 1: Ring Carly tells the son that just five months into
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  Speaker 1: Cassie Carly's pregnancy, she wanted out of the relationship. On
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  Speaker 1: a GOFUNDI page, Carly wrote that Spanavello's abusive control and
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  Speaker 1: manipulation had escalated. The sister says that while Spanavello was
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  Speaker 1: not physically abusive, his erratic rollercoaster emotions scared Cassie rand
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  Speaker 1: Carly says that despite all her fears, Cassie Cary was
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  Speaker 1: hopeful that the couple could co parent together and stay civilized,
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  Speaker 1: but an intense custody battle ensued. When Carly disappeared, her
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  Speaker 1: father Andrew received a text message, reportedly to be from Cassie,
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  Speaker 1: that the mom was staying at Marcus Spanivello's home that night.
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  Speaker 1: Neither the father nor Rayan believed the text came from Cassie.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan tells the son that Cassie Carly was so afraid
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  Speaker 1: of her ex that she asked her father to bring
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  Speaker 1: a gun for when the couple met for an exchange. Mum,
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  Speaker 1: Lisa Daddio for em Police lieutenant now the director and
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  Speaker 1: founder for the Center Advanced Policing at University New Haven's
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  Speaker 1: Forensic Science Department. Lisa, Okay, Now this is normally the
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  Speaker 1: kind of question I would ask Daryl Cohen. Remember how
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  Speaker 1: we would all sit around the table up in appeals
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  Speaker 1: and eat lunch and talk. Oh, absolutely, and you would
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  Speaker 1: breeze in and out drop a couple of verbal bombs
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  Speaker 1: and leave. Yeah. Yeah. We learned more from those discussions
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  Speaker 1: or those times that we just talked, than we ever
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  Speaker 1: learned from any law book, or ever learned from any
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  Speaker 1: case that we learned in law school, More than we
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  Speaker 1: ever learned from any case we watched in the courtroom
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  Speaker 1: or participated in. It was collective knowledge. You're so right,
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  Speaker 1: and how many times like I would sit there as
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  Speaker 1: a new prosecutor, and I would hear the greats in
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  Speaker 1: our office, Russ Parker, Harvey Moscow goes on and on
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  Speaker 1: talking about, Hey, guess we just happen in court, and
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  Speaker 1: I would soak it all in, little knowing that one
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  Speaker 1: day almost the same identical things that happen to me
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  Speaker 1: when I would be trying cases. But how many times, Daryl,
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  Speaker 1: have we said, why are they so stupid? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of criminals get away because they're not stupid,
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  Speaker 1: but the majority of them are just they're just they're
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  Speaker 1: just stupid. I mean, think about it, Darrel. You got
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  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson with everywhere in the world he could dump
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  Speaker 1: Lacy and Connor. He dumps in San Francisco Bay, where
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  Speaker 1: he a is spotted going to the marina on Christmas
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  Speaker 1: Eve in the rain and be his regular fishing hole.
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  Speaker 1: And here you've got this beautiful mother's body buried in
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  Speaker 1: a barn for animals near a house where he is
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  Speaker 1: doing work. I mean, think about it. Chris Watts, remember him.
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  Speaker 1: He murders Shenanne Watts and both of his children, Celeste
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  Speaker 1: and Bella. And where did he dispose of their bodies.
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  Speaker 1: He went to his place of business and a Darko
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  Speaker 1: oil and he horribly abused their bodies and left them there.
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  Speaker 1: Why are they so stupid they go to a spot
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  Speaker 1: to which they are intimately connected. I don't think it's stupid,
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  Speaker 1: so stupid, Lisa, daddy O, thank you. I threw that
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  Speaker 1: to Daryl Cohen, but I'd much rather hear you. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: I don't blame you. I would too here Lisa, and
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  Speaker 1: then Daryl will probably copy everything you just said. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, absolutely, but I'm not going to give you
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  Speaker 1: any credit. Good. You don't have to. It's all right.
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  Speaker 1: Why it is stupid, Nancy, because you're thinking like a lawyer. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I think what happens with criminals, and it's great for
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement is because they're making these judgment calls and
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  Speaker 1: they're handling things in such a way that it helps
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  Speaker 1: the solve cases. And for those criminals who are smart.
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  Speaker 1: Because you keep going back to being stupid, those are
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  Speaker 1: the cases that oftentimes become cold and we can't solve
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  Speaker 1: them because we can't find the body right or we
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  Speaker 1: you know, the body is in such a location that
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  Speaker 1: has no connection at all to anything. And this isn't
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  Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time. We know that, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, we look for our criminals to make these
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  Speaker 1: types of decisions to help us solve the case. And
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  Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean yeah, you know, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: it all comes down to the whole psychological part of it. Right.
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  Speaker 1: There's panic, there's fair, there's this whole kind of oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, somebody's going to find me. And you go
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  Speaker 1: somewhere that you know the ins and outs of a location,
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  Speaker 1: thinking that nobody's ever going to make the connection. Hi,
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  Speaker 1: nobody's ever gonna think the parcel of land you're working on,
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  Speaker 1: Darrel Cohen, I have to disagree with Lisa daddy O stupid. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I got to agree with her. I completely agree, And
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  Speaker 1: the stupidity is they don't. So you think it's brilliant.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think Lisa's brilliant, and I think her
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  Speaker 1: knowledge is logical. And you take the two and put
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  Speaker 1: it together, and you've got somebody that's impeccable. Okay, Well
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  Speaker 1: you say potato and I say potato. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: really stupid to dispose of a dead body somewhere near
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  Speaker 1: where you live or work or go fishing all the time.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess we can disagree. We can agree to disagree,
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  Speaker 1: but I hope to prove you wrong. Shortly. Let me
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  Speaker 1: go to doctor Tim Gallagher. Doctor Gallagher the medical examiner
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  Speaker 1: for the State of Florida at pathcaremed dot com. Doctor Gallagher,
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  Speaker 1: Cassie's body had been in the shallow grave for oh gosh,
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  Speaker 1: what would you say, Dave Mack from the time she
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  Speaker 1: went missing March twenty seven, thirty days has September April?
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  Speaker 1: Okay seven twenty eight, nine thirty thirty one one two.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a little over a week in a shallow
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  Speaker 1: grave in a barn. What would you expect to be
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  Speaker 1: the condition of the body and will we be able
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  Speaker 1: to determine cod cause of death? I think we will
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  Speaker 1: be able to do that. Nancy being buried in a
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  Speaker 1: shallow grave actually helps to preserve evidence. It slows down
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  Speaker 1: the decomposition of the body because the temperature of the
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  Speaker 1: body will remain cool throughout the entire day. There will
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  Speaker 1: be no temperature spikes which will accelerate decomposition. So six
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  Speaker 1: days in that dry environment. Wait a minute, you're familiar
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  Speaker 1: with Springville, Alabama. It's also I believe on the Panhandle
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  Speaker 1: current if I'm wrong to but I think it's on
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  Speaker 1: the Panhandle, so the heat in that area, even in
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  Speaker 1: the bar What Springsville, Alabama is north central Alabama, Birmingham. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's north of Birmingham. Actually, oh well then I'm completely
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  Speaker 1: wrong on the weather, right weather analysis. You're right, doctor Gallagher.
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  Speaker 1: It would be cool. Go ahead, I'm sorry, rightful, it
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  Speaker 1: would be cool. And what that will do is slow
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  Speaker 1: down the decomposition process, thereby making facial identification very good,
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  Speaker 1: a very good possibility, but it will certainly allow fingerprint
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  Speaker 1: identification to be your reality. In addition, they said that
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  Speaker 1: they found a tattooing on her skin that was a
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  Speaker 1: very unique pattern and all the circumstances fit, so, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, her being in the shallow grave most likely
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  Speaker 1: saved her from the decomposition where they could not be identified,
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  Speaker 1: and also predation by animals and in sex, which would
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  Speaker 1: also speed up the decomposition. So being in the shallow
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  Speaker 1: grave actually helped the identification more readily. Okay, that made
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  Speaker 1: perfect sense, doctor Gallager. And I'm hoping we're going to
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  Speaker 1: get a cause of death analysis time stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: How did the whole thing start. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: Olivia iverson w ea RTV. This is the woman Cassie Carly.
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  Speaker 1: She was last seen on Sunday, Sunday night. We are
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  Speaker 1: in of our beach, so right when you get off
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  Speaker 1: the bridge to the right, there's the boat ramp here.
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  Speaker 1: And we are told by a friend of hers that
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday she was scheduled to meet up with the
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  Speaker 1: father of her daughter and to get her daughter exchange custody.
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  Speaker 1: As any of you with children in that situation know
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  Speaker 1: how that works. They were supposed to meet here so
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  Speaker 1: she can get her daughter and was scheduled to go
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  Speaker 1: meet with her dad afterwards. Hours passed and she never
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  Speaker 1: showed up to her dad's house. Her dad was concerned.
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  Speaker 1: Later received a text message saying that Cassie was having
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  Speaker 1: some sort of car and phone trouble. And then some
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  Speaker 1: time later after that was when he had heard from
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  Speaker 1: the child's father saying that he thought she might be
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  Speaker 1: at the friend that I talked to his house, which
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  Speaker 1: that friend tells me is not true. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: find it really interesting to you, Daryl Cohen. You and
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  Speaker 1: I have both dealt with domestic homicides on many occasions.
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  Speaker 1: Cassie Carley was doing everything right. She was going to
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  Speaker 1: court to air her a grievances. She was not fighting
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  Speaker 1: back and forth with her X. She would meet him
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  Speaker 1: in public places. But still in the end, everything went
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  Speaker 1: horribly wrong. As a matter of fact, take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to our cutsy our friends at crime Online. The night
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  Speaker 1: Cassie Carly went to pick up her daughter's sailor, Carly
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  Speaker 1: told her own dad that she would be right back.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Carly tells Dateline that her sister was headed to Juanna's,
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  Speaker 1: a local bar with a big parking lot and people
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  Speaker 1: using the boat ramp, a very public place. Ryan Carly
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  Speaker 1: says their father fell asleep and when he woke up
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  Speaker 1: at ten forty five pm, the pair were still not home.
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  Speaker 1: Calls to Cassie's phone when unanswered, but he did receive
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: some text messages from Cassie's phone saying that she was
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: having phone and car troubles. Ryan Carly tells Dateline that
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the next day, when Cassie Carly was still not home,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the father calls police. As it turned out, much like
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: in the case of Gabby Petito Daryl Cohen, the texts
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: were very unusual, so she's late she's getting back to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: her dad's where she lives. She's very late. He wakes
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: up at ten forty five at night, realizes she's not there,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: checks as texts, and they're saying something like her cell
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: phone and her car had trouble at the same time. Now,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: how likely is that? Then he hears from the X,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and the X says she has to be dropped off
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, near Destin. And you and
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I know from being in Destin so often there are
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: miles and miles of nothing but ocean and sand dune.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And he expects us to believe that this young mom
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: wanted to be dropped off at night in the middle
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: of nowhere. And the dad is getting these texts, he
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: knows immediately something's wrong. That's what happened in Gabby Petito.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Her mother got a text that was off kilter, and she,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Gabby referred to her grandfather. I think it's Tom. That
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: would be like me calling my mother Elizabeth. I would
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: never do that. I call her mom or mother. So
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: there's something in the way people write texts, when they
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: write their behavior, that the people that love them can
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: immediately identify. This is not her text, Nancy. This is wonderful,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: and I say it's wonderful, it's horrible that she was killed.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: And I can assure you though we are convicting this
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: man before he's terribly been arrested. He is going to
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: be arrested. He is going to be tried, and I
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: hope as you do, that he gets the death penalty.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I believe in coincidences every once in a blue moon,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: but one coincidence, two coincidences doesn't work, doesn't fly. It
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: just doesn't work. And that's why we are so delighted
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: when people who commit crimes, for the most part, they're
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: dumb and they wait, wait, stop. You just went round
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: and round with me, and you and Lisa Daddio ganged
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: up on me telling me that criminals are not stupid.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: And you know I never said that. Did he not
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: say that? He said, you said Lisa Daddio was correct,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and she had just said criminals are not stupid. So
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the two of you, I mean, I'm gonna let you
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: just sit and stew together in the same pot and
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: your own juices, because this guy has made one horrible
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: mistake after the next guys, take a listen to our
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: cut twelve. This is Lacy Beasley at Our Friends Fox ten.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Carly was lasting at Juana's Pagodas Grill in the VARs Sunday,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: meeting Marcus Bonavello during a custody exchange of their four
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: year old daughter. According to investigators, he was the last
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: person to make contact with her, and six days later
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: he's now been arrested on charges related to her disappearance. Wednesday,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Spanavella was tracked down in Birmingham with their daughter. Investigators
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: drove up to interrogate him, though Sheriff Johnson did not
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: reveal what was said, and three days since that interrogation,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Spanavello has today been arrested by the Tennessee Bureau of
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Investigators and Highway Patrol in Lebanon, Tennessee, charged with tampering
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: with evidence, giving false information concerning a missing person, and
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: destruction of evidence. Okay, we're hearing about destruction of evidence.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: What could that possibly main? I want you to take
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: a listen to this regarding the previous charges. Can you
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: get it all into what edens he tampered with and
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: whatever is he might have destroyed? Yeah, Abs, In reference
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to the victim's phone, he took her phone and basically
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: got rid of it. So were you guys able to
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: ever locate the ball? Yes? Yes, okay, where we're not
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: gonna go on to that one. And how did he
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: lie to investigating where you lie about? Um? He lied
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: a couple of times actually in different scenarios. But wolves
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I think is actually thing which just over there that
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the information he was was materially false. Yeah, the redlar confirmed. Okay,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Dave mc joined me from crime Online. Dave, we have
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: just gone through that Patrick phrasey case. Remember him? Yes? Um,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: he murdered the mother of his little girl, and then
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: he enlisted the help of his lover, the rodeo queen
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: literally she was a rodeo queen, right, and together the
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: two of them got rid of the body I believe
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: in a burn pit and disposed of her cell phone.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: And it was several states away, but they could track
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: the pings. So when you get rid of a cell phone,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: or think you get rid of it, you better be
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: careful how you do it because it could be tracked.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Isn't that what happened there? They tracked the phone several
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: states a way that just happened to be the direction
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: that the girlfriend was traveling, and figured out where it
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: had been disposed same thing here exactly. You're right about it,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Patrick Crazy. I remember as we covered that case how
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: they were able to use those cell phone pings to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: basically corroborate the evidence they had against the stories they
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: were being told. Now in this particular case, because as
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: an ongoing investigation, we really have to read between the
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: lines for them to charge him with the tampering, and
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: in this case, they say he destroyed the phone. You know,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: the claims from the family is that, you know, Spainavella
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: was sending text messages from her phone to her father
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and that's why he's trying to get rid of that thing,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: because that would actually prove that he had her phone
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and was trying to represent himself as her to stall
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the investigation or stall looking for and Daryl coeh And
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: you're what Dave Mack is saying, and he's correct. And
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: you know what they're going to do, Santa Rosa County Sheriffs,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: not that you need my help, but if you haven't
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: thought of it, they need to trick his phone and
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: her phone and see them traveling together to the location
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: where her phone was discarded. That's what they should do,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: and that way they'll pin the destruction or the abandonment
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: of her phone to him. And that leads me to
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: my final question. Ergo in argument to you, Daryl Cohen,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: if in fact he got rid of her cell phone,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: what is one innocent reason he would get rid of
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Carly's cell phone other than he killed her? Give you
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: one reason, Nancy, if I could find one reason on
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: this earth, I would tell you he got rid of
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: his cell phone because in his brilliance, in his own mind,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: by disposing of the cell phone, they would not follow him.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: But his own mind wasn't brilliant. He just thought it was.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Or Lisa Daddio, let's analyze this Susanne moore few husband, Barrymorephew,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: and the hours leading up to her or Suzanne's disappearance.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Barrymorephew turned off his cell phone? Or did he put
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: it in airplane mode? Jack? Either one? I mean, Lisa,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: when's the last time you put your phone in airplane mode?
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Last time I didn't. I was on a plane. Exactly
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: me too, unless you're trying to hide something. So if
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: your phone is not traveling along with Carly's phone before
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: you discard it, if you have your phone turned off
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: during that period of time, or on airplane mode. To me,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: that's just as damning as traveling along with her phone. Well,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: you know as well as I do. It becomes circumstantial
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: at that point. And are you saying that to me?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I don't care. Why are you saying that, like there's
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: something wrong with circumstantials. You're gonna put spit it out
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: of your mouth. The law is in black and white,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: codified in the Georgia and every other criminal code in
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: this country that circumstantial evidence is as powerful as direct
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: evidence such as an eyewitness or DNA or a fingerprint.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: So why are you saying, oh, but it's circumstantial. Why
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: are you telling me that? I'm saying it because as
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: what's currently happening in this country is circumstantial cases that
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: used to be able to get adjudicated and convictions found
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: are few and far between. Now, well, I don't know
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: what you're talking about, because I find the opposite. I
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: find circumstantial evidence to be riveting for juries. And I mean,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, you and Lisa daddy O, you're like the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Devil's league today. What has happened to you? How many
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: cases did you know circumstantial evidence? I wouldn't really no, Nancy. Look,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: we used to use that the DA's office, and the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: argument was shall we still use it? Went to bed
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: last night, there's no snow on the ground. Woke up
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: there was snow on the ground. How did you get Wow?
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: You know ye, Nancy, you mentioned Scott Peterson. I mean,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: thank you, Karen, throw me a bone here for Pete's sake.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: It's but it's true. I mean criminals, especially when the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: ones that are caught, they make stupid mistakes. And all
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: you have to do is someone's on the lamb and
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: hiding is keep track of their families, and eventually you're
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: going to get a phone call home because there's that
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: instinct to go where the places that you know, to
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: be in touch with the Pete well that you know.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: And that's circumstantial. I've got another idea. Something you said,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: just gave me another idea. Care and start. Another thing
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: they could do Dave Matt In addition to determining whether
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: his phone the X the last one to see her,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: then she goes missing, but he has the baby, and
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: the baby Sailor is alive. Another thing they could do
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: is look at his nav navigation system and his vehicle
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: and determine was it traveling along the same trajectory, the
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: same path as her cell phone. That might be another
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: way they could prove that he was with her cell
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: phone at the time it was discarded. What about that thought, Actually, Nancy,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: it's interesting that you know, the police we're giving us
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: very little information and still continue that because it's ongoing investigation.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: But something that we've been able to put together is
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: when police from Santa Rosa County, Florida went to Birmingham, Alabama,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: to talk to Marcus Spinavello. That's when they already knew
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: certain things happened. They had already seen these texts that
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Spanavello had sent to her family members, and so they
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: knew and he, I guess thought if he destroys the phone,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: they won't be able to get these messages or something.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Because once they talked to him, they talked with sailor
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and they were able to realize that he's not helping.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: He's actually lying. He told them things in that first
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: interview that they already knew were untrue. So immediately they
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: started focusing on him and where he had been. That's
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: how they located that he actually was working in Springville, Alabama.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: He was apparently contracting for a audio visual company there.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: They found that he was working on this house. That's
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: how they got the warrant. They were able to track
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: it all back because they were trying to find that phone.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: That's why I love it when defendants insist on talking,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: because even if they're not spouting an outright lie, everything
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: they say is going to be dissected and parsed and
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: there will be lies in it. Okay, you were just
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: hearing our friend Dave Matt from Crime Online describing that
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: cops already knew, the sheriffs in Sana Rosa County already
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: knew a lot and as this guy kept talking as Spinavello,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: they were just shaking their heads because they knew he
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: was spouting lies. So how is he connected to this
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: location where this young mom's body is found in a
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: shallow grave underneath underneath the cowpoop. Take a listen an
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: hour cut fifteen our friends at w VTM thirteen. So
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: what is Spinevello's connection with the property where Carly's body
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: was found? We tracked down the property's owner. He tells
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: us that Spinavello was helping him renovate this hold, which
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: is only about one hundred and fifty yards away from
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the barn where Carly's body was buried. Spinevello was arrested
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: southwest of Nashville over the weekend. He faces charges of
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: destroying Corley's phone and lying to investigators at this time,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: how have you, But the Sheriff's office says those charges
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: could be upgraded. We hated that Cassie has passed away,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: but it's good to get closure for the family, and
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: it's good to keep this dirt bag in jail where
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: he belongs. Corley's daughter was found safe. Her family looks
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: forward to reuniting with her and honoring her mom's life.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I celebration. You are hearing statements from the sheriff, and
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you're also hearing the X being called a dirt bag,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: And as you may guess, he's being a complete jackass
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: from beginning to end. Take a listen to reporter Shelby Myers,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: our cut seventeen from our friends at Fox ten. I
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: can tell you this. He was totally uncooperative. He never
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: cooperated at all with us, and that goes a long way.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, you think about it. It's it's your baby's
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: mother and she's missing and you're not going to cooperate
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: with authorities sets kind of telltale. He is facing charges
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: of allegedly tampering with Carly's cell phone and lying to
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: investigators about her disappearance. Spentavello choking up while in court
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: explaining to a judge just why he's fighting extradition. In
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: the meantime, Ryan Carly says she's fighting for custody of
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: her sister's four year old daughter, adding that Carly's legacy
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: will live on through Sailor. She will shine through Sailor.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: That is the one good thing we are looking forward,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: So we will always have a piece of Cassie with Sailor. Well,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: they're being a lot more altruistic than I could be
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: in those circumstances. Talk about circumstances to you, Dave mc
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: joining us crime online dot com. I do not believe
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: it's just a coincidence that just before Cassie goes missing
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: at a drop off of her little daughter, Sailor, he
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: was hit the X was hit with about a five
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars bill for expenses relating to custody, attorney's fees
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: and so forth. And then suddenly she goes missing and
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: she's dead. When he's forced to pay out thousands of dollars.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, it's shocking when you look back at
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the history of the family. You mentioned the fifty nine
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars that Spainavella was hit with to cover Cassie
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Carley's attorney fee. Don't you know that burned him up
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: having to pay her attorney's fees and losing the court
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: battle as well. Whoa the thing that you know, Nancy?
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Over and over this guy kept taking her to court.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: He called the police, he called CPS, He did everything
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: he could to make her life miserable and costing her
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: thousands of dollars. That's why Ray and her younger sister
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: actually started a go fund me to help Carlt have
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Cassie raise money to hire a decent attorney to fight
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: this guy about six thousand dollars some reports five, but
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I think you're right fifty nine hundred dollars he was
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: ordered to pay. But rather than over suddenly Cassie Carly
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: goes missing. And as you heard report Shelby Myers and
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Sheriff Bob Johnson, he absolutely is not cooperating and a
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: few things he has been saying. According to reports, our lives.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Now we're looking at the process. Darryl Cohen of extradition.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut sixteen our friends at
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Fox ten. Are you willing to waive extradition? More now?
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: On the man at the center of a murder invest instigation,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Marcus Spanavello not quite ready to leave Tennessee and face
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: the music. In Santa Rosa County, Florida, deputy say he
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: was the last person to see Cassie Carley alive during
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: a custody exchange of their daughter in Navarre Beach, and
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: today in court, Spanavello getting emotional as he talked about
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: that little girl. Are you willing to weigh the extradition?
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Marcus Spanavello will spend at least nine more days in
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: a Tennessee jail. Spinavello was picked up there on Saturday
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: during a traffic stop. Investigators say he was the last
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: person to see Cassie Carley alive the old traffic stop maneuver.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Just like Timothy McVeigh Okay City bomber. They pulled him
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: over on a traffic stop too. Daryl Cohen, forget about
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the traffic stop extradition. Wi FI extradition extradition is not
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: really a fact finding hearing. You can do one in
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: about five minute. All you have is a letter from
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: the governor in the extra dining state, which is Florida.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: You can get one of those overnight. It can be
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: facts or emailed over. And all you ask the defendant
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: is are you Marcus Spanavello. If they want answer, you
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: have to do a fingerprint. But if they are, if
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: he says yes, I'm Mark Spanavello, and you have the
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: letter from the governor and the other state, ma'am, that's
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the end of the hearing. Nancy, It's almost laughable. Whoever
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: is advising this guy is not doing the right job
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: if he's getting advice, because these people think, well, I'm
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: not going to fight extra I'm fighting extradition. He's still
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: going to go. It's just a question of whether it
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: goes stay tomorrow or next month. You're going, and you're
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: just irritating everyone involved because it's simply a matter of
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: are you Daryl Cohen? And even if you want answer,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I would have a fingerprint to match you up to
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: being Darryl Cohen. It'd be sent postase to whoever wants you,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: because I guarantee they do not want him in Tennessee
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: or Alabama. He needs to go back to Florida and
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: start getting ready for trial. Dave Mack, any word on
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: bond as we sit right now, they have not set bond.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: They're waiting on the results of the autopsy, which we
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: should have in the coming days. Do you think they'll
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: do the autopsy doctor Gallagher and Alabama where she is found,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: or in Florida, where the trial will be. They'll do
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: the autopsy in Alabama. Typically the laws go that wherever
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: the body is found, that's the jurisdiction that will do
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: the autopsy there. And they have an excellent crew in Birmingham.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: They're going to do a fine job and it's going
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: to be a very convincing presentation at the trial. We
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds, and there's no better place for
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Marcus Spinivello to be than behind bars, Oh except for
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: having dinner with Satan when he goes to hell. Nancy
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Grace com story signing off Goodbye Friend,