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The Impossibility of the Apollo Missions · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have actually quite a very background. Actually
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Speaker 1: started off in the music industry, so I have quite
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Speaker 1: a background in music. And then I went into the
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Speaker 1: healthcare industry and I really didn't like it. I didn't
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Speaker 1: like the direction that it was going. So I actually
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Speaker 1: did a if I can say this, I did a
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Speaker 1: career change in my thirties and got into aviation. And initially,
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Speaker 1: when I got involved in aviation, it was just because
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Speaker 1: I had a love of flying and I just wanted
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Speaker 1: to get a private pilots license. But from there it went,
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Speaker 1: I went even further. I ended up getting a commercial license,
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Speaker 1: and then I added you know, various ratings like a
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Speaker 1: multi engine rating and instrument rating, all of what you
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Speaker 1: need for the airlines. I knew at that time I
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Speaker 1: wasn't going to get into the airlines because I'd already
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Speaker 1: was at that point, was too old to get into
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Speaker 1: the airlines. They like the airlines, They like to hire
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Speaker 1: people in their mid twenties because they get their investment
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Speaker 1: back over their career. So because they have to invest
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Speaker 1: a lot of money in training them. But still you
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Speaker 1: need the fundamental trainings before you can get into aviations.
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Speaker 1: But that didn't mean that aviation wasn't close to me.
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Speaker 1: There was lots of other options like bush flying, cargo flying, commuters.
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Speaker 1: I chose instructing, and so I added an instructor rating
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Speaker 1: and I started teaching. So I did a lot of
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Speaker 1: ground school teaching as well as teaching in the air,
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Speaker 1: and I went from there and I did a little
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Speaker 1: bit of charter flying. Eventually I ended up well several
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Speaker 1: years and I finally retired. You know, I figured I
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Speaker 1: was getting close retirement age anyway, So so it was
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Speaker 1: from there. You see, the connection to Paul Moon missions
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Speaker 1: and to aviation for me was always close, and I
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Speaker 1: always wanted to be I was really inspired at the
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Speaker 1: time when Apollo eleven launched and then landed on the Moon.
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Speaker 1: I was very young at the time, and I remember
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Speaker 1: vividly watching this in class. You know, we were all
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Speaker 1: heard it down to the gymnasium that watched this little
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Speaker 1: black and white snowy TV. We watched the launch, and
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Speaker 1: at that point I actually had a love for aviation.
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Speaker 1: I knew I was never going to be an astronaut,
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Speaker 1: nor did I want to be, but the next best
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Speaker 1: thing for me was aviation, and so that's just kind
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Speaker 1: of a connection there, So that's how I got involved
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Speaker 1: in aviation. Then, of course, from aviation it led into
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Speaker 1: a lot of research. It wasn't until about twenty years
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Speaker 1: later after I started flying, when I realized that something
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Speaker 1: wasn't right with the Apollo missions, and then I just
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Speaker 1: went from there. And I just want to make it
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Speaker 1: very clear to my audience that I don't pretend to
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Speaker 1: be an expert in a of these subjects. I'm not
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Speaker 1: an aerospace engineer, but you don't need to be because
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Speaker 1: a lot of these engineers that started off in the sixties,
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Speaker 1: when it came to involving themselves in space missions, they
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Speaker 1: were starting from scratch as well. I'm not comparing myself
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Speaker 1: to them, but what I'm saying is is that aviation
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Speaker 1: gave me sort of a leg up on what to
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Speaker 1: expect and the impetus to investigate further. But I must
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Speaker 1: say that most people can investigate this on themselves. It
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Speaker 1: takes a little bit of common sense and there's you know,
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Speaker 1: there's some technical stuff to get involved in, but most
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Speaker 1: people are capable of it if they put their mind
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Speaker 1: to it.
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Speaker 2: So what made you suspicious of the Apollo missions?
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Speaker 1: Yes, very good question. So that and back in the
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Speaker 1: mid to late nineteen nineties. Actually, I had just a
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Speaker 1: routine day for me. I came home one day from
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Speaker 1: work and switched on the TV. Just happened to switch
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Speaker 1: on A and E. For those of yous that are
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Speaker 1: matter as old as I am, you realize that the
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Speaker 1: back it was.
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Speaker 2: So just to point out, there was no point, there
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Speaker 2: was no time at which I came home and turned
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Speaker 2: on the TV. I wasn't even born.
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Speaker 1: You you didn't even matter. Yeah, no internet back then, folks.
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Speaker 1: Sorry to depress you all, but it was. It was
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Speaker 1: the dark Ages, let's put it that way. But A
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Speaker 1: and E was actually a really good network back then,
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Speaker 1: not like it is now. It Actually they had some
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Speaker 1: fairly decent documentaries, and they just happened to be running
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Speaker 1: a documentary the night I come home from work on
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Speaker 1: the Apollo thirteen mission. Now, for those of you out there,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure more your audience will be aware that Paula
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Speaker 1: thirteen had experienced. According to dat official narrative, they had
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Speaker 1: experienced an incident, a very serious incident, on the way
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Speaker 1: to the moon. We can get into that later, but
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Speaker 1: I remember that that really, that whole episode was the
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Speaker 1: first time that really got me thinking about something's not
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Speaker 1: right here, something's not right about these missions because there
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Speaker 1: was a segment in that documentary they were interviewing all
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Speaker 1: of the three astronauts on board that were on board
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Speaker 1: of Paula thirteen, and I remember the commander Paula thirteen,
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Speaker 1: Jim Lovell. He was talking about how he had to
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Speaker 1: what they had to do is they had I won't
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Speaker 1: getting into the technical technical part of this, but they
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Speaker 1: had to fire the engines. And while they were firing
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Speaker 1: the engine, they had to keep the Earth withining the
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Speaker 1: grid pattern, you know, so they were doing visual and
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Speaker 1: that was what really did it for me, and it
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Speaker 1: really made me question because I was thinking, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: this person is about three quarters the distance from while
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Speaker 1: there were about a quarter ways back to Earth when
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Speaker 1: he had swung around the dark side of the moon
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Speaker 1: part and they were using the gravity assist because they
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Speaker 1: hidn't have full powerful engines. And again, there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of technical stuff to get involved here about just give
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Speaker 1: you the basic outline. And I remember him saying that,
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Speaker 1: and he was paraphrasing himself and he said, okay, I
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Speaker 1: turned to so and so and I said, whatever you
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Speaker 1: do when I fired the engines keep the Earth within
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Speaker 1: a grid pattern on the window. And he was actually
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Speaker 1: talking about the optics which is used for star sightings
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Speaker 1: and navigation, and that it really hit me because he
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Speaker 1: was talking about using visual clues, visual clues to navigate
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Speaker 1: from the Moon back to the Earth. That's impossible, I
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Speaker 1: know from flying from my own experience using visual clues
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Speaker 1: as all right, when you're very close to the ground
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Speaker 1: and you have a lot of landmarks to navigate buying
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Speaker 1: even and then you can be off course. I mean
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Speaker 1: you could be a degree off course. In an hour
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Speaker 1: later you're ten twenty miles off course. I haven't got
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Speaker 1: exactly correct, but that's basic, the basic outline. And I
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Speaker 1: was thinking, Wow, you're using visual to navigate back to
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Speaker 1: the Earth from the Moon and you're just like a
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Speaker 1: zero point one degree of course, you're gonna be thousands
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Speaker 1: of miles off course. You're going to be marooned in
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Speaker 1: analytical orbit around the Earth and the Moon for eternity.
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Speaker 1: So that's what really got my attention, and that from there,
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Speaker 1: I kind of let it go at that point, but
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Speaker 1: I went back and I revisited, and I realized by
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Speaker 1: investigating further and researching Apall thirteen that the whole scenario
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Speaker 1: was just absolutely impossible from start to finish. It was
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Speaker 1: an absolute impossible scenario. If it actually had it happened,
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Speaker 1: the whole service module command model will have exploded, the
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Speaker 1: astronauts would have been killed instantly.
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Speaker 2: Randy, Why do you think then that so many people
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Speaker 2: believe the story?
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Speaker 1: You know, I believed it for a long time. Like
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Speaker 1: I said, I was I was in grade school and
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Speaker 1: I saw it live when paul O eleven launched. It
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Speaker 1: was at that time for me it was an inspiring moment,
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Speaker 1: as it was for millions of other people. And it
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Speaker 1: wasn't just that. It was the fact that, you know,
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Speaker 1: we're part of a race of explorers. We're very inspired
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Speaker 1: by that kind of thing, as I said earlier, motivating
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Speaker 1: me to get into aviation. But also there was there
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Speaker 1: was It was deeper than that. German was much deeper
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Speaker 1: than that. It had to do with you develop an
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Speaker 1: emotional attachment to this, to this historic event, and you
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Speaker 1: you know, as especially as children, you're very you're very impressionable,
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Speaker 1: so you're going to idolize these people. I idolized these
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Speaker 1: people well into my twenties and thirties. I never dared
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Speaker 1: to question it, and I think it really has to
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Speaker 1: do an answer to your question. I really do think
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Speaker 1: that you can sort of think about it intellectually and say, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I got some problems with it, but but in your
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Speaker 1: heart you can't let go of it emotionally. And I
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Speaker 1: think that's one of the fundamental problems.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so what you're saying is that people want to
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Speaker 2: believe it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I have. I have
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Speaker 1: heard people come back and may I get emails all
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Speaker 1: the time. Most of the emails, I want to say,
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Speaker 1: are very are very good. They're very very supportive of
9:27
Speaker 1: my work and and but I sometimes I'll get an
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Speaker 1: email and it's not nasty, but they'll question me and say, well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're right, there's some things that are not on the
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Speaker 1: up and up with this. But I still believe they
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Speaker 1: went and I know exactly where they're coming from. They
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Speaker 1: they actually I think I've actually had one reader say
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Speaker 1: I need to believe.
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Speaker 2: The only people that know the truth is NASA.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, NASA has a very interesting history. There was a
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Speaker 1: space agency before NASA. They didn't really they didn't spend
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Speaker 1: much of any time on activities in space in terms
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Speaker 1: of all man and man missions and the name of
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Speaker 1: that space agency excase me, at the moment, it was
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Speaker 1: really not important. What's important is when NASA came into being.
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Speaker 1: On NASA was brought into being by Eisenhower nineteen fifty eight.
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Speaker 1: He started because at that point they were starting to
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Speaker 1: think it was actually before Kennedy. They're actually starting to
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Speaker 1: think about a man and man missions to the Moon,
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Speaker 1: believe it or not. So that was really the start
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Speaker 1: of it. It wasn't until, of course, nineteen sixty one,
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Speaker 1: after Eisenhower and enacted legislation to bring in NASA, that
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Speaker 1: all the technology from the Air Force and military was
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Speaker 1: moved over under that department, which is still being supervised
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Speaker 1: by the military. But it was you know, NASA was
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Speaker 1: put forward as a civilian space agency. You know that
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Speaker 1: again is just to please the public, but it was
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Speaker 1: anything but a civilian space agency. It was a civilian
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Speaker 1: space agency on paper, but certainly when not when it
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Speaker 1: came to practice. So that was really the beginning of it.
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Speaker 1: And I think NASA was brought into being for many things.
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Speaker 1: I think it was more of a psyops than anything else.
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Speaker 1: I really you know, I don't want to be too
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Speaker 1: harsh when it comes to on man missions. There seems
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Speaker 1: to be quite a bit of evidence that they've been
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Speaker 1: able to achieve that. But I really do believe the
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Speaker 1: flow purpose of NASA's existence is number one a psyops
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Speaker 1: in terms of man missions. And when you get down
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Speaker 1: to it and what I'm about to say, I just
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Speaker 1: want your viewers to understand my book's hard to talk
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Speaker 1: about this. I have one chapter on it. I get
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Speaker 1: into the technical aspects of why the Apollo missions were impossible,
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Speaker 1: could not have happened. I'm talking about man missions specifically,
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Speaker 1: not on man missions. But I've come to the conclusion
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Speaker 1: now that NASA is a cult agency, and when you
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Speaker 1: look deeper at that, you will see the evidence of
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Speaker 1: a cult symbology all over NASA, all over their symbiology,
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Speaker 1: what they do, how they do it, how they say it,
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Speaker 1: their press conferences. It's therefore all to see. You just
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Speaker 1: need to open your eyes and look for it.
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Speaker 2: It's also quite interesting, and we won't getting into the
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Speaker 2: history of World War Two, but the Allies were very
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Speaker 2: big on demonizing the Nazis and guests who became one
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Speaker 2: of the chief scientists.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so isn't that the irony? So back in nineteen
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Speaker 1: for a lot a lot of your reviewers will probably noticed,
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Speaker 1: but for those who don't. After World War two, both
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Speaker 1: the Americans and Soviet unions basically infiltrated the scientific establishment
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Speaker 1: in Germany and they both took their share of scientists
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Speaker 1: back to their respective countries. One of the one of
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Speaker 1: the operations that was involved was called Operation paper Clip,
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Speaker 1: and this was from this was brought into from the
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Speaker 1: precursor to the CIA, I think it was the OSS,
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Speaker 1: and they brought over several, well actually many, I think
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Speaker 1: a couple of thousand German scientists specifically to work on
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Speaker 1: their space program. This is of course before NASA was
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Speaker 1: even brought into being. And one of them, particularly who
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Speaker 1: became very famous in terms of being involved in neopolo missions,
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Speaker 1: was a Nazi by the name of Erna von Braun. Now,
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Speaker 1: for those of you out there, many of again, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you know this, but those who don't. Vernon von
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Speaker 1: Braun was the architect and the builder and used thousands
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Speaker 1: of POWs as slaves to build a V two rocket
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Speaker 1: that terrorized London during World War two. So here you
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Speaker 1: have the American governments working with a Nazi who was
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Speaker 1: notorious for terrorizing London and killed a lot of British
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Speaker 1: citizens with his V two rocket. He's the one, but
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Speaker 1: directly and it was responsible. He was the architect and
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Speaker 1: the builder of the Saturn five that was used to
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Speaker 1: land missions on the Moon.
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Speaker 2: So he was he was the head scientist.
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Speaker 1: He was not head science of NASA, but of his department. Yes, right,
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Speaker 1: he was the architect and a head scientist when it
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Speaker 1: came to developing the Saturn five, which was necessary to
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Speaker 1: launch the hardware for an Apollo moon landing.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the irony So okay, so then you have you
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Speaker 2: have this this interesting backstory of NASA, almost almost as
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Speaker 2: if it was theatrical to some degree. When who was
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Speaker 2: it that announced the Apollo mission?
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Speaker 1: Was?
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Speaker 2: It was a JFK?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So actually, as I mentioned earlier, it was a
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Speaker 1: couple of years before I wasn't really mentioned public, but
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Speaker 1: NASA we're talking about that amongst themselves and officials were
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Speaker 1: talking about that. But it was JFK who in nineteen
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Speaker 1: sixty one, I believe, in his speech to the United Nations,
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Speaker 1: who declared that the America was going to send a
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Speaker 1: man to the Moon and of course safely return him
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Speaker 1: to the Earth by the end of this decade, which
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Speaker 1: would be nineteen sixty nine. And now, when he made
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Speaker 1: that announcement, and it's important to realize this, the Soviets
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Speaker 1: already had of orbit at the Earth and a manned mission,
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Speaker 1: and he already had a full orbit with Gary uh
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Speaker 1: his name excase me but Gageron, Yeah, Gagaran's his last name.
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Speaker 1: But at that time when Kennedy made the announcement, NASA's
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Speaker 1: experience in space in terms of MAD missions was one
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Speaker 1: fifteen minute sort suborbital flight. They didn't even make orbit.
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Speaker 1: So on that basis alone, Kennedy had made that announcement
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Speaker 1: that they were going to go from a fifteen minute
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Speaker 1: sub orbital flight in nineteen sixty one to landing a
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Speaker 1: man mission in nineteen sixty nine. Now, it doesn't take
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Speaker 1: a leap of faith to understand the technological challenges just
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Speaker 1: in that alone, let alone like just getting to just
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Speaker 1: getting to perfection, just in terms of man missions in
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Speaker 1: lower authorbital let alone to the Moon, landing there and
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Speaker 1: then blasting off in the Moon and coming back. So
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Speaker 1: all that based on a fifteen minute suborbital flight, and
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Speaker 1: at that time, NASID did not have aerospace engineers per se.
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Speaker 1: They were not in existence because it wasn't even it
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Speaker 1: wasn't really taken seriously. So they had to take engineers
16:49
Speaker 1: from the aviation industry come over and they had to
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Speaker 1: kind of learn all these They had to delve into
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Speaker 1: the theory, develop the tools, and so on and so forth.
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Speaker 1: There was a lot of.
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Speaker 2: Why do you think JFK did that? Was it a
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Speaker 2: spur of the moment sort of Cold War type strategic
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Speaker 2: comment or did you do you think he genuinely believed it?
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm actually researching JFK now for a book,
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Speaker 1: and the more I researched JFK, I see him. I
17:23
Speaker 1: saw him, or rather I see that he was a
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Speaker 1: He was a highly intelligent man. There was no doubt
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Speaker 1: about that. He was definitely intelligent. But he was inexperienced
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Speaker 1: and he had just at that time, he was recovering
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Speaker 1: from a disaster when he was involved in the Bay
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Speaker 1: of Pigs in Cuba, and he was trying to recover
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Speaker 1: from that, and I think in part he might have
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Speaker 1: had delusions of grandeur that he actually probably honestly thought,
17:51
Speaker 1: because there is some evidence that you know, there's some
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Speaker 1: There is some recordings some conversations between him and NASS
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Speaker 1: administrator a time talking about the possibility of a man landing,
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Speaker 1: and they were trying to convince Kennedy that just isn't impossible.
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Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. This is NASA saying this, right,
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Speaker 1: And Kennedy said, yeah, it is going to happen. We're
18:10
Speaker 1: going to make sure it happens. We're going to give
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Speaker 1: you a resources. So I think initially he might have
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Speaker 1: believed it. I think later on he changed his mind
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Speaker 1: and he realized that he'd gotten himself into something he
18:20
Speaker 1: needed to get himself out of.
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Speaker 2: I have a feeling that probably everybody working on that
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Speaker 2: project at the time realized it was never going to
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Speaker 2: happen by nineteen sixty nine or ever.
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Speaker 1: No, and again, and as I said at the beginning
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Speaker 1: of this show, you know, you don't need to be
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Speaker 1: an aerospace engineer to make that determination. You just need
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Speaker 1: to look at it, look at and NASA actually contradicts itself.
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Speaker 1: I've come to many contradictions about NASA in terms of
18:51
Speaker 1: manned space missions, in terms of the elements of space.
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Speaker 1: They always constantly contradicting themselves and then what they do
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Speaker 1: is is when they send an arman For example, the
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Speaker 1: Orion program they sent up a couple of years ago,
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Speaker 1: it was armanned, and they classified all that information. And
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Speaker 1: I'm asking to myself, why would you classify information that
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Speaker 1: we supposedly have known for the last fifty plus years. Right,
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of this contradiction that comes out,
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Speaker 1: and I believe now at the very yes, at the
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Speaker 1: very beginning, NASA knew this wasn't going to happen.
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Speaker 2: Take me back to those early days of the attempt
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Speaker 2: to start preparing for it. I mean, that's people love
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Speaker 2: to talk about the actual moon lighting and self but
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Speaker 2: something that you talk a lot about is the preparation process.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So you're talking, I think before you're talking about
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Speaker 1: the pre Apollo missions about I'm.
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Speaker 2: Mistaken, yes, and leading up to it. Yes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the pre Apollo missions were our man missions.
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Speaker 1: They sent out a series of arman missions between I
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Speaker 1: believe it was between nineteen sixty one sixty two to
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Speaker 1: sixty five, and it was it started off as a disaster,
20:05
Speaker 1: the Arma missions. They just had breakdown after breakdown after breakdown,
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Speaker 1: failure after failure after failure. Then they sent out the
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Speaker 1: second set of arm Man missions, they have more success
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Speaker 1: with that. By the time the standard the third Man missions,
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Speaker 1: they were still had some success, but not as successful
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Speaker 1: as the previous mission. Interesting how there are Man missions
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Speaker 1: started off as disaster got better and then we're sort
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Speaker 1: of satisfactory. So we're not seeing a lot of progress here.
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Speaker 1: Compare that to the Apollo missions. Man missions, it just
20:34
Speaker 1: seems to the arrow, the charuck seems to go up
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Speaker 1: and you know, not a flaw anywhere. So uh, and
20:41
Speaker 1: we're talking about more complicated missions. But the pre Apollo
20:44
Speaker 1: missions were basically, I believe, designed to survey the Moon
20:49
Speaker 1: as much as possible, to get as much detail as possible,
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Speaker 1: to use that to build replicas of where the Apollo
20:56
Speaker 1: missions would supposedly land, to build replicas here on Earth.
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Speaker 1: So I believe that was the sole purpose of the
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Speaker 1: the pre Apollo missions. Now, but also they had new
21:06
Speaker 1: Mercury program, that Man program Mercury which carried down one astronaut,
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Speaker 1: and they also had a Gemini program which carried two astronauts. Really,
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Speaker 1: I don't see a lot of contributions from those two
21:17
Speaker 1: programs to towards the Apollo missions. If you study the
21:21
Speaker 1: Mercury and Apollo the Gemini programs thoroughly, you realize that
21:27
Speaker 1: there wasn't really a lot done in order to prepare
21:29
Speaker 1: for the Paul missions. So again, I believe it was
21:32
Speaker 1: for show. I'm going to give NASA at this point
21:34
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt that the Mercury and the
21:37
Speaker 1: Gemini missions were real, but I'm now starting to have
21:39
Speaker 1: my doubts on that as well. Why because there's a
21:44
Speaker 1: lot of information coming out now, you know, in terms
21:49
Speaker 1: of the photos and film and a lot of the
21:55
Speaker 1: uh still shots that were taken during the Gemini missions
21:58
Speaker 1: have turned out to be staged. And NASA's excuse for
22:03
Speaker 1: that is as well, we wanted better quality pictures, photos
22:06
Speaker 1: for the public, but you know, we really did go
22:08
Speaker 1: but we wanted, you know, to show the public. We
22:12
Speaker 1: just wanted the public to have quality photos. And that's
22:15
Speaker 1: an expertise that I leave up to others. Marcus Allen,
22:18
Speaker 1: for one, who's a photographic expert. He talks a lot
22:21
Speaker 1: about that. I haven't delved into that a lot, but
22:25
Speaker 1: enough to know that, well, if you're faking photos, what
22:27
Speaker 1: else are you faking?
22:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I love it when when you talk to
22:31
Speaker 2: people who who say, oh, you know what, I don't
22:34
Speaker 2: trust the state. I don't trust the government, right, Well,
22:37
Speaker 2: what about the moon landings? No? No, no, definitely I
22:39
Speaker 2: trust what they did they I mean, I trust what
22:41
Speaker 2: they say.
22:42
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, interesting again, isn't it? And I get that
22:47
Speaker 1: a lot. I get that in emails, I get that
22:49
Speaker 1: in comments on my videos that yeah, well okay, there's
22:53
Speaker 1: this and this and this, but we and you're right
22:56
Speaker 1: about the government. I don't trust the government, but we
22:58
Speaker 1: went and they never present any evidence. That's it. That's
23:02
Speaker 1: the thing, right.
23:04
Speaker 2: It's very difficult though, because we only have NASA's information
23:09
Speaker 2: to go by, isn't it.
23:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we have NASA's information to go by. But again,
23:14
Speaker 1: like I asked, people, you know that NASA is involved
23:18
Speaker 1: in the occult. Why would you believe any agency that
23:20
Speaker 1: that that delves so deeply into the occult, and and
23:24
Speaker 1: that in and of itself should raise a red flag
23:26
Speaker 1: with everybody, well, with many people, and I think it
23:29
Speaker 1: is now, to be fair, there's a lot of people
23:32
Speaker 1: that are genuinely starting to question it. But you know
23:37
Speaker 1: that just that fact alone, I mean, why, and that's
23:41
Speaker 1: the biggest question. And nobody seems to have an answer
23:43
Speaker 1: for me on that. I always ask, why are they
23:45
Speaker 1: so involved in the occult and they're there. We just
23:47
Speaker 1: saw the latest mission from Jack Bezels. I mean, if
23:50
Speaker 1: that wasn't.
23:52
Speaker 2: Wanted Katy Perry, oh my goodness.
23:56
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing that came to my mind was
23:58
Speaker 1: bezils Harem. That's why I thought about, right, That's exactly
24:03
Speaker 1: what I thought about. And the whole thing was a
24:06
Speaker 1: sex ritual, a cult sex ritual, all right, That's what
24:09
Speaker 1: that was. And it had absolutely even the mainstream media
24:12
Speaker 1: was forced to admit it had no benefit whatsoever in
24:17
Speaker 1: terms of contributing to the mand Space program.
24:22
Speaker 2: Katy Perry would never lie about something like that. She
24:24
Speaker 2: is very genuine. She definitely went up there and came
24:28
Speaker 2: back and kissed the ground.
24:30
Speaker 1: I know, I know, And my apologies to Katy Perry.
24:33
Speaker 1: By your next album, I.
24:35
Speaker 2: Actually almost missed a joke right there. She kissed the
24:38
Speaker 2: ground and she liked it.
24:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, now the not the pope does I mean,
24:44
Speaker 1: isn't it? The whole thing's a ritual. I mean, if you,
24:46
Speaker 1: if you, if you really want to get into it,
24:48
Speaker 1: and not now, but for for the for the viewer
24:51
Speaker 1: out there just look into NASA, the occult, the Vatican.
24:55
Speaker 1: You'll see the Illuminati, You'll see the connections. It's there.
24:59
Speaker 1: It's there. They do exactly what the Vatican does. It's
25:02
Speaker 1: all a ritual.
25:04
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go back to the Apollo missions. Randy poly Leven,
25:08
Speaker 2: Why liven what happened up until that point?
25:12
Speaker 1: So you mean, in terms of why did they launched
25:17
Speaker 1: the first mission on the Teland and Moon Apollo eleven?
25:20
Speaker 1: Is that what you're asking?
25:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like what happened between one and ten
25:24
Speaker 2: including ten.
25:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's a very interesting and deeply disturbing topic
25:32
Speaker 1: because so one in ten doesn't one in two, and
25:37
Speaker 1: three and four I believe don't even exist. Non NASA
25:39
Speaker 1: came up with this numerology and I was all brought
25:42
Speaker 1: into into being because of the disaster of Apollo one.
25:45
Speaker 1: Now Apollo one was supposed to be the crew rater
25:51
Speaker 1: of Apollo one was supposed to be the first mission
25:53
Speaker 1: to land on the Moon that ended in tragedy. Apollo
25:58
Speaker 1: one was. The commander of Apollo one was Gus Grissom.
26:02
Speaker 1: Now Gus Grissom was a very outspoken opponent of the
26:09
Speaker 1: Apollo missions. And this is really interesting because he was
26:13
Speaker 1: talking about against the Apollo missions while he was actually
26:15
Speaker 1: in the Apollo program, and he was doing that off script.
26:19
Speaker 1: So there was one incident during a live press conference
26:25
Speaker 1: where Gus Grissom from the Apollo Apollo one commander Gus
26:29
Speaker 1: grisson had hung a lemon on the Apollo command module.
26:35
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a similar or not,
26:36
Speaker 1: but its matters to symbolic of what he was doing.
26:39
Speaker 1: And the message was is that the Apollo Command module
26:42
Speaker 1: was a lemon and we're not going anywhere. And it
26:45
Speaker 1: was two weeks after that the tragedy struck while Gus
26:49
Speaker 1: Grissom and his crew were doing assimilated launch on Apollo one.
26:54
Speaker 1: And this, by the way, it wasn't a Saturn five launch.
26:57
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be a Saturday one B launch,
26:59
Speaker 1: which is far as powerful rocking. They had sealed the
27:03
Speaker 1: capsule and they were doing a full launch simulation, and
27:09
Speaker 1: that cabin at that time was pressurized to one pure oxygen.
27:14
Speaker 2: All right, and that's toxic.
27:18
Speaker 1: That's toxic. Yeah, And a spark occurred and disaster struck
27:23
Speaker 1: and the astronauts inside was was caught fire and they
27:28
Speaker 1: were basically incinerated. Alive. Apparently they claimed they couldn't get
27:32
Speaker 1: the astronauts out in time. This is where it gets
27:35
Speaker 1: even more disturbing, because now you've got the Apollo one disaster.
27:38
Speaker 1: Gus person and his his his crew were killed, and
27:45
Speaker 1: now you have the aviation the quality control for for
27:51
Speaker 1: the corporation that built the command module, the quality control
27:55
Speaker 1: inspector North American Aviation Quality Control Inspector was Barren had
28:02
Speaker 1: come forward to Congress and he had submitted, actually he
28:07
Speaker 1: submitted to reports. He submitted a fifty page report, a
28:10
Speaker 1: preliminary report on the disaster of the Apollo I fire,
28:14
Speaker 1: and then he submitted a five hundred page report. He
28:18
Speaker 1: testified for Congress for a couple of hours, and he
28:20
Speaker 1: was talking about everything that he'd been trying to warn
28:23
Speaker 1: NASSA about in terms of its, you know, its launch capabilities,
28:28
Speaker 1: and the safety aspect of sending astronauts, especially in the
28:31
Speaker 1: Apollo commandmogos. Bottom line was he said, this thing is
28:34
Speaker 1: not is not flight worthy. It's just not flight worthy.
28:37
Speaker 1: And he talked about a lot of the things that
28:39
Speaker 1: led up to the disaster. But what's disturbing is is
28:42
Speaker 1: that a lot of what he was saying was ignored
28:45
Speaker 1: up until the disaster happened, and then two weeks after
28:49
Speaker 1: he testified before Congress he was killed. I think it
28:54
Speaker 1: was a week later. He was killed along with his
28:56
Speaker 1: wife and child in a railroad crossing, you know, and
29:02
Speaker 1: his five hundred page report to Congress disappeared.
29:05
Speaker 2: So it wasn't an accident.
29:08
Speaker 1: You know. I When I say it wasn't an accident,
29:11
Speaker 1: people accused me of calling NASA murders. But what other
29:15
Speaker 1: conclusion can you come to? How convenient is it just
29:18
Speaker 1: a law of averages? How convenient it was? Is it
29:21
Speaker 1: a coincidence that three astronauts are killed in Apollo one
29:24
Speaker 1: because Gus Gerson was speaking out By the way, Gus
29:27
Speaker 1: Grisson's son is a seven forty seven captain, He himself
29:31
Speaker 1: believes his father was killed. It's not just me saying
29:33
Speaker 1: this right to shut him up. And Thomas Byrne two
29:38
Speaker 1: weeks later after that disaster and his wife and child
29:41
Speaker 1: are killed in a railroad crossing, are you kidding me?
29:44
Speaker 2: You know?
29:44
Speaker 1: So you have to know. People are free to draw
29:47
Speaker 1: their own conclusions. But that's pretty strong evidence, I mean
29:52
Speaker 1: to say the least.
29:54
Speaker 2: And what happened after that, I mean with the the
29:57
Speaker 2: following Apollo numbers.
29:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what gets crazy? So then they come up
30:02
Speaker 1: with so they designated that Apollo one in honor of
30:05
Speaker 1: the fallen crew, right, the fallen crew, And then they
30:11
Speaker 1: come up with two, three and four, which made no
30:13
Speaker 1: sense to me. Then they come up with the course
30:15
Speaker 1: I led into sorry two and three, which really wasn't
30:18
Speaker 1: a mission to say the least. It was actually apall
30:21
Speaker 1: of four, which was the real the first on launch
30:25
Speaker 1: on de man mission of the Saturn five. So four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
30:30
Speaker 1: ten up to.
30:31
Speaker 2: Eleven using what did you say? The seven five?
30:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the first launch of a Saturn five was
30:37
Speaker 1: appall of four. So appall of four was to test
30:41
Speaker 1: out the vehicle, so they were testing out an am
30:44
Speaker 1: manned launch of the Saturn five. So that was the
30:46
Speaker 1: first launch. Apoll of five was a Saturn one B launch.
30:51
Speaker 1: It wasn't a Saturn five launch, right, But the next
30:56
Speaker 1: pall of six was the second launch of an an
30:58
Speaker 1: manned Saturn five. It was on that basis alone that
31:02
Speaker 1: they went straight. And then of course Apollo seven was
31:05
Speaker 1: another Apollo one B launch, was not a Saturn five launch,
31:09
Speaker 1: and that was for lower Thorpit flight only, and then
31:12
Speaker 1: Apollo eight was the first um manned launch of the
31:18
Speaker 1: Saturn five. And I'm going to go back because I
31:21
Speaker 1: want to talk about this a little further, but I
31:22
Speaker 1: just want to get this out. Apollo eight was the
31:25
Speaker 1: first on man launch of a Saturn five, and it
31:28
Speaker 1: was also sorry the first man launch of a Saturn five.
31:31
Speaker 1: And it was also the first manned mission to leave
31:34
Speaker 1: Lower Thorp and circumnavigate the Moon and back. So that
31:37
Speaker 1: was the significance of Apollo eight. So I want to
31:41
Speaker 1: hold it there for a second because we go into
31:43
Speaker 1: nine ten eleven, We're going to get a little tongue
31:45
Speaker 1: tied here, so let's go back. So I said that
31:49
Speaker 1: they went straight from Apollo six to Apollo eight. So
31:54
Speaker 1: you have Apollo four and Apollo six, which are two
31:58
Speaker 1: on man launches of the Saturn five, straight through to
32:02
Speaker 1: Apollo eight, which was the third launch, but this time
32:05
Speaker 1: a manned launch of a Saturn five. Okay. What significant
32:09
Speaker 1: about this is is that Apollo four the Apall four
32:13
Speaker 1: unmanned launch, which shows that they had the ability to
32:16
Speaker 1: launch a rocket without a crew on board. Okay, so
32:21
Speaker 1: it was automated. So they had Apollo four was supposed
32:25
Speaker 1: to be a flawless lunch, so the mission was supposed
32:27
Speaker 1: to be flawless, so they get that full bar. But
32:29
Speaker 1: the Pollo six was a near disaster. So they had
32:32
Speaker 1: major problems with the F one engines in the second
32:34
Speaker 1: launch of the Saturn five. And what was happening is
32:37
Speaker 1: is that the F one engines were misfiring, and that
32:40
Speaker 1: misfiring and that uneven thrust was creating what was called
32:44
Speaker 1: a pogo effect, and I was sending a serious vibration
32:49
Speaker 1: wave through the longitudinal axis of the rocket. If there
32:52
Speaker 1: had been a crew on board that rocket, they would
32:55
Speaker 1: have either had to abort or they would have been killed.
32:58
Speaker 1: NASA claims this is not me saying this, This is NASA.
33:02
Speaker 1: NASA clians that they fixed that problem with the F
33:05
Speaker 1: one engines. They sorted out all of the problems with
33:08
Speaker 1: the second launch of the Saturn five and went straight
33:13
Speaker 1: to the third launch of the Saturn five with a
33:15
Speaker 1: crew on board without any further testing static or in
33:20
Speaker 1: flight testing of those engines. After the disaster or a
33:25
Speaker 1: near disaster for Paulo six. That seems reckless, very reckless.
33:29
Speaker 1: I mean, would you get on an airplane from an
33:32
Speaker 1: aviation company they did that. No, of course not. I wouldn't
33:35
Speaker 1: even getting in a car that did that from a
33:38
Speaker 1: manufacturer that did that. So they basically and by the way,
33:43
Speaker 1: the timeline was about seven or eight months later. So
33:45
Speaker 1: from Apollo six, the near disaster on man mission of
33:49
Speaker 1: Pol six, you would have thought they would send up
33:51
Speaker 1: another on manned mission of the Saturn five. The test systems.
33:55
Speaker 1: Now people have come back and argued with me that, well,
33:58
Speaker 1: those engines are are not reusable. Of course they're not reusable.
34:02
Speaker 1: While I'm talking about is consistency in data, and they
34:06
Speaker 1: had no consistency in data, and they put they flaggerantly, uh,
34:11
Speaker 1: they were flaggerant with in terms of their safety protocols.
34:15
Speaker 1: They're all safety protocols, and put a crew on board
34:20
Speaker 1: a Saturn five rocket which was Apollo eight, eight months
34:25
Speaker 1: after the near disaster of Apollo six, the second amand
34:30
Speaker 1: launch of a Saturn five without any further testing.
34:35
Speaker 2: And just to be clear, this was all headed up
34:39
Speaker 2: by vernavon Braun.
34:42
Speaker 1: Yes, it was headed up by Veron von Braun, and
34:46
Speaker 1: there's some evidence now that it is trickling out there.
34:48
Speaker 1: Vernonon Bron wasn't happy what was going on. With the
34:51
Speaker 1: program he was you know, there was there's many several
34:54
Speaker 1: different methods that they were working on at that time
34:57
Speaker 1: in terms of earth rendevuew lunar rendezvus so on a
35:00
Speaker 1: soft forth. It's a lot, a lot of technical stuff
35:02
Speaker 1: to get into. But and I describe it thoroughly in
35:04
Speaker 1: my book. I mean, we have the time to get
35:06
Speaker 1: into it here. But Vernon bron Bran at that point
35:10
Speaker 1: was not Yes, he was not happy with where the program,
35:14
Speaker 1: but by that time vernonmon Brann, whew, they weren't going
35:17
Speaker 1: anywhere anyway.
35:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I just want to pause there for
35:20
Speaker 2: a second, Randy, and just think about the human element.
35:24
Speaker 2: All right. So you have this government agency, which is NASA,
35:28
Speaker 2: pushing ahead with what was obviously non a nonprofit type project.
35:35
Speaker 2: I mean, this doesn't make any money. This is just
35:37
Speaker 2: burning gash for what for what to to beat the
35:42
Speaker 2: Soviets at the space race effectively? I don't I don't know.
35:45
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what the end goal was.
35:51
Speaker 2: And you have all this disaster and catastrophe happening along
35:54
Speaker 2: the way. Do you think that there were a lot
35:58
Speaker 2: of people within the pro looking at this and just going, ah,
36:02
Speaker 2: this is not happening.
36:05
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I do, and I've read reports about that.
36:08
Speaker 1: I know that there has been there were some early reports.
36:12
Speaker 1: In fact, I think there was a poll on right
36:14
Speaker 1: after the Apollo moon landing Apollo eleven, the first landing,
36:18
Speaker 1: and quite a percentage of Americans at that time did
36:21
Speaker 1: not believe that NASA had landed men on the moon.
36:24
Speaker 1: So and it's interesting that those poll those those poll
36:27
Speaker 1: numbers have gone down when action and actuality they've actually
36:30
Speaker 1: gone up, right, So there was a lot of people.
36:33
Speaker 1: I think the thing they remember too is that NASA
36:37
Speaker 1: by that time, the American government was marred in a
36:39
Speaker 1: lot of problems. I mean, they were still recovering from
36:41
Speaker 1: the JFK assassination. They had a Vietnam War ongoing. At
36:43
Speaker 1: the same time, they had, you know, the Cold War. Yeah,
36:49
Speaker 1: and the Cold War is a bit of a ruse.
36:51
Speaker 1: I I think it's a red herring because the Cold
36:53
Speaker 1: War is not really what it was made out to be.
36:55
Speaker 1: I really strongly believe now that NASA and the Russian
36:59
Speaker 1: Space A. You can see at that time we're working
37:02
Speaker 1: very closely together behind the scenes. A lot of it
37:04
Speaker 1: was just theater for the.
37:05
Speaker 2: Public that's interesting. Tell me more, well, that.
37:11
Speaker 1: Gets into Apollo thirteen. So a very interesting incident happened
37:14
Speaker 1: on Apollo thirteen. It's not just the explosion that supposedly
37:18
Speaker 1: happened on the way to space. So Apollo thirteen was
37:21
Speaker 1: launched on April eleventh. And now we're going to get
37:26
Speaker 1: into some dates and some very interesting numbers here too,
37:29
Speaker 1: but let me just give you the gist of it here.
37:31
Speaker 1: So Apollo thirteen was launched on April eleventh, but the
37:34
Speaker 1: day before Apollo, April tenth, there was a Russian a
37:39
Speaker 1: Soviet nuclear class submarine lurking off the coast of South Africa, sorry,
37:46
Speaker 1: North Africa. And the reason why it was lurking off
37:49
Speaker 1: the coast of North Africa is because when an Apollo
37:54
Speaker 1: mission launched from Kite Canaveral in Florida, its flight path
37:58
Speaker 1: is generally taken over the Atlantic Ocean from Florida Cape
38:03
Speaker 1: Canaveral to roughly around the coast of North Africa. And
38:07
Speaker 1: that's also the Atlantic Ocean where it would be there aboard.
38:12
Speaker 1: And what's interesting is is that, so you have this
38:16
Speaker 1: Russian nuclear power submarine lurking off the coast of North Africa.
38:19
Speaker 1: Why was that happening. Number two, Now you have the
38:21
Speaker 1: Apollo eleven, sorry, the Paula thirteen launch on April eleventh,
38:26
Speaker 1: number October twelfth. A lot of people don't know this. Sorry.
38:30
Speaker 1: The next day, April twelfth, the Russians picked up a
38:34
Speaker 1: command module out of the Atlantic Ocean. Yes. Interesting, and
38:40
Speaker 1: this is all on record, and this is all proven.
38:41
Speaker 1: There's no conspiracy theory, folks. You can actually look this
38:44
Speaker 1: up and search for yourself. NASA admits to this, right.
38:49
Speaker 1: And then, of course, on the same day on April twelfth,
38:55
Speaker 1: the US military and US media and now that the
39:01
Speaker 1: Russian sub sank on the twelfth, and then the thirteenth
39:05
Speaker 1: you had the so called Apollo thirteen accident on the
39:09
Speaker 1: way to the moon. So the question is what was
39:12
Speaker 1: a Russian sub doing there? And there's evidence now that
39:16
Speaker 1: the Russians were there to track the aboard of Apollo thirteen,
39:24
Speaker 1: which splashed down in the Atlantic Ocean of the north
39:28
Speaker 1: coast of Africa, and then a Soviet trawler came to
39:33
Speaker 1: pick it up and brought it back. Now, for those
39:35
Speaker 1: of you right now who are listening to this and saying, no,
39:38
Speaker 1: you can't be right about this, Yes, I am right
39:40
Speaker 1: about this, because the USS south Wind picked up a
39:45
Speaker 1: command module from the Russian military port of Mansk five
39:51
Speaker 1: months later in September of nineteen seventy and there's photos
39:55
Speaker 1: of that. You can search it online, you can google it.
39:57
Speaker 1: The USS south Wind Coast Guard cutter picked up and
40:01
Speaker 1: Apollo that was officially handed over from the Soviets to
40:05
Speaker 1: the Americans, and it was brought back on that ship.
40:09
Speaker 1: And there's lots of photos. I've put the photos in
40:10
Speaker 1: my book. You can go on Google Photos and you
40:13
Speaker 1: can check the photos for yourself. So the question is
40:16
Speaker 1: why did that happen? So we're told that Apollo thirteen
40:21
Speaker 1: went to the Moon and back a near disaster, and
40:24
Speaker 1: they miraculously made it back and splashed down and then
40:27
Speaker 1: they lived happily ever after. That's what we're told. But
40:30
Speaker 1: where did the other pollomn CO module come from? Well,
40:33
Speaker 1: NASA claims now that the Apollo command module that they
40:36
Speaker 1: found the next day in the Atlantic Ocean after the
40:39
Speaker 1: launch of Apollo thirteen was a boilerplate, a boilerplate designation
40:44
Speaker 1: one two two seven, and a boilerplate for you, all
40:47
Speaker 1: of you out there, is just the dummy command module
40:49
Speaker 1: that was used to practice on right. But the markings
40:53
Speaker 1: of the boilerplate don't match the markings of other boilerplay
40:56
Speaker 1: command modules. The markings were changed, they were they were
40:59
Speaker 1: hastively changed to make it look like a boilerplate. So
41:03
Speaker 1: this now gets into a little bit of speculation. Okay,
41:05
Speaker 1: everything else up at this point I've told you is
41:07
Speaker 1: absolutely true. All right, you can check that out for yourselves.
41:11
Speaker 1: But now it gets into speculation. Why, well, I believe.
41:15
Speaker 1: And there's a couple of theories out there. But one
41:17
Speaker 1: of the theories is is that NASA purposely aboard at
41:19
Speaker 1: Apollo thirteen. There was no crew on board, a purpose
41:22
Speaker 1: a purposely a ball of thirteen souls that Russians would
41:25
Speaker 1: pick it up so they would have physical, a physical
41:29
Speaker 1: apparatus to work with, because they were planning for their
41:33
Speaker 1: Apollo Soyuz mission several years later in nineteen seventy five.
41:36
Speaker 1: At that time, the Russians and the Americans were exchanging
41:42
Speaker 1: officials back and forth because they were talking about a
41:45
Speaker 1: joint Soviet American mission in nineteen seventy five, which turned
41:48
Speaker 1: out to be the Epoyee the Apollo Soyuz program. But
41:52
Speaker 1: they couldn't they weren't able to get their hands on,
41:56
Speaker 1: and it couldn't not The Americans cannot be seen handing
41:59
Speaker 1: over their prize possessions, their brand new technology, the Apollo
42:04
Speaker 1: command module to the Russians. So they had to find
42:07
Speaker 1: a way to deliver that Apollo command module to the
42:09
Speaker 1: Russians so they can work out the docking apparatus that
42:12
Speaker 1: would be necessary for their joint venture in nineteen seventy five,
42:17
Speaker 1: which is another occult mission right where you have famously
42:21
Speaker 1: you have the Russians and the Americans docking in low
42:23
Speaker 1: Earth orbit and then they're shaking hands, right, So I
42:26
Speaker 1: believe that that is that's one scenario. That's what I believe.
42:29
Speaker 1: The other scenario is that the Apollo crew had to
42:33
Speaker 1: make there wasn't a crew on board for whatever reason
42:35
Speaker 1: that they had to make. They had to abort, and
42:38
Speaker 1: it was the antic Ocean, by the way, was designated
42:41
Speaker 1: ABC dn E, so that it was an aboard sequence there.
42:44
Speaker 1: So they had to abort and were picked up by
42:46
Speaker 1: a Russian trawler. I don't believe that. I think the
42:48
Speaker 1: first scenario is the most probable.
42:51
Speaker 2: Why did the Soviets just suddenly stop the entire program
42:56
Speaker 2: when the us one. I mean they were eating every
43:01
Speaker 2: step of the way supposedly.
43:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean others have done some really good
43:07
Speaker 1: work on this. Some of my community have done some
43:09
Speaker 1: work on this, and one of them had pointed out
43:11
Speaker 1: the fact that the Russians were There was an agreement
43:15
Speaker 1: between the Russians and Americans between from the very beginning,
43:20
Speaker 1: like around nineteen sixty nineteen sixty one, maybe even further back,
43:23
Speaker 1: and they had agreed that the Russians would be the
43:26
Speaker 1: first in space, so they really the first and everything.
43:28
Speaker 1: So they had the first satellite, they had the first
43:31
Speaker 1: man mission, they had the first two man mission, they
43:34
Speaker 1: had the first three man mission, they put the first
43:36
Speaker 1: woman in space. They were the first to dock to
43:40
Speaker 1: spacecraft in lowerth orbit in space, so on and so forth.
43:43
Speaker 1: And then after that they were to stand down and
43:47
Speaker 1: to the Americans would take over and excel and become
43:51
Speaker 1: number one in nineteen sixty nine by landing a man
43:53
Speaker 1: mission on the Moon. Now, the last pro the last
43:59
Speaker 1: Soviet mission to the Moon was an a man mission
44:04
Speaker 1: that can carry I believe it can carry two astronauts.
44:07
Speaker 1: It was their Zone mission, and they put a lot
44:09
Speaker 1: of mammals on board, a few mammals on board, and
44:13
Speaker 1: they sent that to the Moon and back. And what
44:16
Speaker 1: they did was they recorded the data to see how
44:19
Speaker 1: radiation would affect the mammals on board, and they said
44:22
Speaker 1: the mammals all survived. Well, if people just do a
44:25
Speaker 1: little bit of biology research, you'll find that tortoises can
44:30
Speaker 1: stand thousands of times more radiation than humans. So, I
44:34
Speaker 1: mean that kind of just blows their them. But it's interesting, though,
44:38
Speaker 1: A very interesting thing happened there when and again I
44:41
Speaker 1: can't substantiate this part, so and this is just this
44:44
Speaker 1: is rumor, but I put it in the book because
44:46
Speaker 1: I thought it was fascinating. Apparently, when the Russians, they
44:50
Speaker 1: said the zoned their zoned manned spacecraft to the Moon
44:54
Speaker 1: and back. When they opened the hatch and what they
44:57
Speaker 1: saw horrified them. And there was supposed to be an
44:59
Speaker 1: astronaut on board. There wasn't an astronaut on board when
45:02
Speaker 1: they opened the hats. It's just a rumor, and it
45:04
Speaker 1: was that. But whatever the rumor is, that's when they
45:07
Speaker 1: stopped their Man program. In nineteen sixty eight, they stopped
45:09
Speaker 1: their man mission Man program, and he had it. They
45:12
Speaker 1: basically passed the baton onto the Americans, which I think
45:15
Speaker 1: was all planned.
45:15
Speaker 2: Anyway, we often just focus on the rocket launch, but
45:20
Speaker 2: there were other things going on, like they were supposedly
45:24
Speaker 2: preparing the moon landing sequence.
45:29
Speaker 1: And that's what I met earlier when I was talking
45:30
Speaker 1: about where the Moon bron because there was different methods
45:33
Speaker 1: that they were looking at. Did you know did you
45:35
Speaker 1: know that NASA actually considered before they decided on the
45:38
Speaker 1: Apollo program, NASA all actually considered landing one man on
45:42
Speaker 1: the Moon. They had determined at that point in nineteen
45:46
Speaker 1: sixty two or three that they knew how to get
45:49
Speaker 1: him there, but they didn't know how to get him back.
45:52
Speaker 1: So what they plan on doing is is sending him
45:54
Speaker 1: to the Moon and he had to stay there until
45:57
Speaker 1: they built it, come up with the technology to build
46:01
Speaker 1: a rocket to go and pick him up. And while
46:04
Speaker 1: he was there, they would just send supplies that would
46:07
Speaker 1: keep him alive. Is anybody laughing about this? I mean,
46:11
Speaker 1: that was the most bizarre idea I have ever heard.
46:15
Speaker 1: Then they decided that they were going to build well, okay,
46:18
Speaker 1: we'll do a direct mission, right, But in order to
46:22
Speaker 1: do a direct mission, that meant launching a rocket from
46:24
Speaker 1: the Moon that same rocket traveling through the Moon and
46:27
Speaker 1: landing are sorry, launching from Earth and landing on the Moon.
46:30
Speaker 1: That rocket would have to be at least what three
46:33
Speaker 1: or four times the size of the Saturn five maybe
46:37
Speaker 1: twice the size of the Empire State building. So you're
46:40
Speaker 1: looking at a lot of bizarre ideas that NASA was
46:42
Speaker 1: coming up with. And this was really upsetting Wernavon Braun
46:45
Speaker 1: because he really was a proponent of what is called
46:49
Speaker 1: a direct mission. He wanted to build a huge spaceship
46:52
Speaker 1: in lower th orbit. He said, the only way to
46:55
Speaker 1: get there is to is to build an apparatus in
46:57
Speaker 1: lower th orbit and then launch the ship from lower thorbit.
47:00
Speaker 1: It would be a lot more practical and feasible, and he
47:03
Speaker 1: was right. But in order to do that, you were
47:06
Speaker 1: probably looking at equivalent in today's money, and not SUS
47:09
Speaker 1: spent about three hundred billion dollars in today's equivalency on
47:13
Speaker 1: their Appollo program. You probably have to just to build
47:16
Speaker 1: the apparatus alone on lower thorbit to fulfill an actual
47:20
Speaker 1: Moon mission, probably about two trillion dollars in today's value,
47:24
Speaker 1: just to get the apparatus that you need to put
47:27
Speaker 1: the rocket to put the spaceship together in lower thorbit,
47:30
Speaker 1: which is what Vernon bon Bram is advocating, And then
47:33
Speaker 1: you're reluctantly.
47:35
Speaker 2: If you just think about it for ten seconds, it's ridiculous.
47:38
Speaker 2: I'm reminded of when Elon Musk supposedly launched a car
47:42
Speaker 2: into space. Remember that. Yeah, I mean it's just the
47:46
Speaker 2: whole aerodynamics doesn't make sense.
47:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, another it makes sense. And it's interesting how
47:52
Speaker 1: clear that photo is, and you barely get a clear
47:56
Speaker 1: photo of anything else they send up there, Like I
47:58
Speaker 1: find it, it's really interesting. They ever point the camera
48:01
Speaker 1: on a rocket in the forward direction. You always notice
48:03
Speaker 1: it's pointed backwards. Yes, yes, And have you noticed too
48:08
Speaker 1: with the ISS that it's constantly orbiting a course to
48:12
Speaker 1: the Earth. That's what it does. But the cameras always
48:14
Speaker 1: pointed towards her, and then they never do a three
48:17
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty degree panoramic view with the camera. I
48:20
Speaker 1: find out very interesting too, And I found that well,
48:24
Speaker 1: CGI works, wonders and Neil and Musk.
48:26
Speaker 2: Has the resources, right, Brandy, we don't do a conspiratorial thinking.
48:31
Speaker 1: Yeah please, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. I tend to regress sometimes.
48:37
Speaker 2: But look, I want to go quickly, just back to
48:40
Speaker 2: what I was asking you about when I spoke about
48:42
Speaker 2: the Moon landing process, like, for example, the actual that
48:45
Speaker 2: actual pod what have you called? What is the moon lander?
48:48
Speaker 2: That thing?
48:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had.
48:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, the lunar Lander. They had to teste that thing
48:54
Speaker 2: on Earth and I heard that people Needdy died.
48:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they had built a version of that called
49:02
Speaker 1: the lunar Lander training vehicle. There was actually two types,
49:05
Speaker 1: and they finally progressed to the second one. It was
49:10
Speaker 1: supposed to be a lot more closer in design in
49:13
Speaker 1: terms of the lunar lander that was going to the
49:17
Speaker 1: lunar module who's going to be used to land on
49:19
Speaker 1: the Moon. What's interesting about that lunar training vehicle on
49:22
Speaker 1: Earth is is that the astronauts spent ninety percent of
49:25
Speaker 1: their time just trying to keep it in the air
49:29
Speaker 1: instead as opposed to simulating you know, lunar gravity and landing.
49:36
Speaker 1: And actually Neil Armstrong has I think he had combined
49:41
Speaker 1: total of about two hours and forty minutes. But when
49:44
Speaker 1: you consider that ninety percent of their time was spent
49:47
Speaker 1: just keeping it in the air and not practicing lunar procedures,
49:51
Speaker 1: that works out to about twenty minutes right, and interestingly enough,
49:55
Speaker 1: Buzz Aldrin the second man to walk in the Moon
49:58
Speaker 1: along with Neil Armstrong. You never even had any training
50:02
Speaker 1: on the lunar landing training vehicle. What if in the
50:05
Speaker 1: scenario at a very crucial moment, when the let's say
50:10
Speaker 1: there are three four five hundred feet from the lunar
50:13
Speaker 1: surface and for whatever reason, Neil Armstrong becomes incapacitated, Neil
50:20
Speaker 1: Armstrong would or sorry, Boss Aldron would have to have
50:22
Speaker 1: taken control and fly that lunar module down to a
50:27
Speaker 1: safe landing. Now people will argue that he had simulator training,
50:31
Speaker 1: but there's nothing. The simulator training back then does not
50:35
Speaker 1: translate into what simulator training is today. You needed hands
50:38
Speaker 1: on experience as well as the limited similartor trainings that
50:42
Speaker 1: they have back in nineteen sixty nine, it just wasn't
50:44
Speaker 1: advanced enough to be proficient in terms of landing a
50:47
Speaker 1: vehicle not only anywhere on Earth, but on another planet.
50:52
Speaker 1: And they just didn't have that capability.
50:54
Speaker 2: So pushrack, you're going to get pushback is the Moon
50:58
Speaker 2: is not a planet?
51:01
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sorry, folks out there, I don't get all
51:03
Speaker 1: the details right, but you know who does right. One
51:08
Speaker 1: other thing I want to bring up about the lunar lander,
51:10
Speaker 1: and this is very interesting. This is a very important part.
51:12
Speaker 1: The lunar lander was never practiced. Now when they went
51:16
Speaker 1: up with the Pollo they had they practiced me a
51:19
Speaker 1: lunar lander with Apollo nine, and that was a Saturny
51:23
Speaker 1: five launch, but that only was in lower thorbit. And
51:26
Speaker 1: then they supposedly with Apollo ten, put a crew on
51:29
Speaker 1: board the lunar lander and it supposedly went to the
51:33
Speaker 1: Moon and it descended to within fifty thousand feet of
51:37
Speaker 1: the lunar surface and then aborted and came back. That
51:40
Speaker 1: was a practice run, so it was really two practice
51:43
Speaker 1: runs before the Apollo eleven landing. There was no there
51:49
Speaker 1: was absolutely no attempt to land an amman lunar landing
51:54
Speaker 1: vehicle on the Moon, which should have been done. I mean,
51:57
Speaker 1: it just it boggles my mind that they had the technology.
52:01
Speaker 1: They could have easily sent an a man mission to
52:03
Speaker 1: the Moon. They could have sent an O man lunar
52:06
Speaker 1: module used that to land on the Moon to test
52:09
Speaker 1: it out. That was never done. They just went straight
52:12
Speaker 1: to a man mission and landed perfectly. Now, one more
52:15
Speaker 1: point I want to add here the lunar lander itself
52:18
Speaker 1: was so fragile that it could not withstand its own
52:20
Speaker 1: weight in Earth's gravity. It would collapse. Right, So, if
52:26
Speaker 1: there was any kind of mishap when they landed on
52:29
Speaker 1: the lunar surface, on the Moon's surface, you're going to
52:33
Speaker 1: have a total destruction of the vehicle. They give you
52:38
Speaker 1: an example, the outer shell that covered the lununar module
52:43
Speaker 1: where the astronauts stood. They didn't even sit, they were standing.
52:47
Speaker 1: The walls of the lunar module had equivalent to three
52:50
Speaker 1: inches of kitchen foil.
52:55
Speaker 2: A lunchbox.
52:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, sleeping. You can easily put your foot through it.
53:01
Speaker 1: Then you're finished.
53:05
Speaker 2: That's a whole that's a whole different episode.
53:08
Speaker 1: Yeah.
53:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's stay on Earth. You've spoke, you've spoken, or
53:22
Speaker 2: you've you've mentioned the SATs in five a lot, and
53:26
Speaker 2: you've mentioned the F one boosters a lot. Why are
53:29
Speaker 2: they significant?
53:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about the F one engines again,
53:33
Speaker 1: just briefly. The F one engines For those who are
53:35
Speaker 1: out there don't know, Southern five rocket was a three
53:37
Speaker 1: thousand ton rocket that's equivalent to, uh, basically a military
53:41
Speaker 1: destroyer at sea. Okay, that's a heavy rocket. Fully loaded
53:46
Speaker 1: with propellant. You needed the powerful F one engines, which
53:50
Speaker 1: were found in the first stage of the Saturn five.
53:53
Speaker 1: You needed those powerful F one engines. They're there. According
53:57
Speaker 1: to NASA, they are the most powerful liquid fuel engines
54:00
Speaker 1: ever built. You need that enormous power and there's never
54:04
Speaker 1: been anything like it since. And they worked perfectly while
54:07
Speaker 1: they were in emissions, but they couldn't get them working afterwards.
54:10
Speaker 2: Is interesting? Sorry? Sorry, sorry, not even SpaceX.
54:13
Speaker 1: SpaceX doesn't use anywhere near the equivalent of the No,
54:21
Speaker 1: it doesn't use anywhere near the power that was used
54:23
Speaker 1: in the F one engines. Nowhere near it. So SpaceX
54:26
Speaker 1: I don't have all the specifications on SpaceX, but their
54:28
Speaker 1: engines will produced about two hundred pounds two hundred thousand
54:31
Speaker 1: pounds of thrust compared to one F one engine, which
54:33
Speaker 1: would be one point five million pounds of thrust. Okay,
54:37
Speaker 1: and you had five of those engines for a total
54:39
Speaker 1: seven point five million pounds of thrust. You know, for
54:42
Speaker 1: those of you watch, you could do the metric conversion,
54:45
Speaker 1: and you needed that to lift the forty six metric
54:48
Speaker 1: tons of Paula hardware that was necessary to land emission
54:53
Speaker 1: on the moon, So you needed that power. If you
54:55
Speaker 1: didn't have that full power capability, if one of those
54:58
Speaker 1: engines was to faulter just one, you're not going to
55:01
Speaker 1: get that payload into lower orbit. Hence you don't have
55:04
Speaker 1: a moon landing. So it all starts with the F
55:07
Speaker 1: one engines.
55:08
Speaker 2: But why is it significant?
55:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Bill Casing was the first one to come
55:14
Speaker 1: out of that. For those of you out there, I'm
55:15
Speaker 1: sure you know a lot of you watching this, No,
55:17
Speaker 1: that Bill Casing was the pioneer. Bill Casing was. He
55:21
Speaker 1: worked for Rocketdyne, the corporation Rocketdyne who built the F
55:25
Speaker 1: one engines for NASA back in nineteen fifty eight. That's
55:30
Speaker 1: when they were getting that's when they were developing the
55:33
Speaker 1: F one engines. So Bill Casing was hired to record data.
55:36
Speaker 1: People often countered that he was not an engineer, but
55:40
Speaker 1: you need to be he read the data. If he
55:42
Speaker 1: was hired by Rocketine Corporation, he was obviously qualified to
55:45
Speaker 1: read the data. That's what they hired him for. And
55:48
Speaker 1: he noticed in over the several years that he was
55:51
Speaker 1: there that they were falsifying the data output for the
55:56
Speaker 1: F one engines. They were not getting the power output
55:59
Speaker 1: they needed, and by that time he knew that they
56:01
Speaker 1: needed the F one engines to launch an Appollo mission
56:04
Speaker 1: to the Moon. He resigned in nineteen sixty two or
56:07
Speaker 1: three in disgust of what he saw, and then was back.
56:10
Speaker 1: And then later on in nineteen seventy seventy he wrote
56:12
Speaker 1: his book about this. He was the first one, He
56:14
Speaker 1: was the pioneer, the first one to write a book
56:16
Speaker 1: about that, exposing what was really going on with the
56:19
Speaker 1: F one engines. Now here's what's interesting about the F
56:21
Speaker 1: one engines, and I want to emphasize this point. I
56:23
Speaker 1: said earlier that they produced each engine produced one point
56:26
Speaker 1: five million pounds of thrust. The military is on record
56:31
Speaker 1: of being able to produce a million pounds of thrust,
56:35
Speaker 1: but they were only able to maintain it for a millisecond.
56:38
Speaker 1: They were not able to maintain it beyond that. And
56:41
Speaker 1: then in nineteen sixty when they started launching the Apollo missions.
56:46
Speaker 1: You cannot verify the data that the Apollo missions are
56:48
Speaker 1: now that NASA claims is true because NASA destroyed all
56:53
Speaker 1: the telemetry from the Saturn five rockets, so you can't
56:56
Speaker 1: verify any.
56:56
Speaker 2: Of that data. Randy, I could go on for hours
57:04
Speaker 2: now with you. But I think this is just a
57:07
Speaker 2: taste of what's in what's in your books plural, I
57:11
Speaker 2: might add, Okay, let's come in for excuse the plan,
57:15
Speaker 2: let's come in for landing. Where can I where can
57:19
Speaker 2: I get your books and follow you for that matter?
57:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, so people can follow me on have my own
57:25
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Don't put a lot of work into it,
57:27
Speaker 1: but I do. I do case you put videos up
57:28
Speaker 1: on that. Randy Walsh, just putting in Randy Walsh. You
57:31
Speaker 1: can find me on Instagram as well and on Twitter
57:34
Speaker 1: Randy Walsh. So I'm very easy to find. You can
57:37
Speaker 1: find all of my books. I have three of them, actually,
57:40
Speaker 1: The Apolem of Missions, Hiding a Hooks and plain Side
57:43
Speaker 1: Part one and Part two is on Amazon. Now, those
57:46
Speaker 1: two books I want to emphasize are non fiction. A
57:50
Speaker 1: reason for saying that, and they're written by me. Non fiction,
57:54
Speaker 1: and I go into the technical aspect and why technically
57:57
Speaker 1: NASA could not ascend and with the technolo team we
58:00
Speaker 1: have today, they cannot send a man mission to removed.
58:02
Speaker 1: The third book is Apollo The Real Mission, and it's
58:06
Speaker 1: co written by Robin Landry. So Robin Landry myself wrote
58:10
Speaker 1: a fiction book on the account, because fiction gave us
58:13
Speaker 1: a chance to pull all our knowledge that we have
58:16
Speaker 1: and we speculated on why in the book respectulate why
58:19
Speaker 1: and how they faked the missions. So that's all available
58:24
Speaker 1: on Amazon dot com.
58:26
Speaker 2: Randy Welsh, thank you for joining me in the drenches.
58:30
Speaker 1: It was a pleasure, Germ. I really enjoyed it.
58:32
Speaker 2: Thank you.