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This 5-Minute Bible Hack Actually Works · How to Faith a Life Podcast with Faith Womack

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  SPEAKER_00: You're listening to the How to Faith a Life podcast, where we wrestle with questions on how to live a life of faith, from everything from books to Bible studies, even Bible studies.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is your place to wrestle with the hard questions and dive deep into what scripture really says for the Christian woman.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, with all that said, let's begin.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi friends, welcome back to the How to Faith a Life Podcast, a ministry of Bible Darm Ministries.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today I have a new friend, Matt Whitman, with me here on the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: He is author of the Lightning Fast Feel Guide to the Bible, a fellow Zonderman published author.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what he does is really cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: He has a 10-minute Bible hour podcast where it's a daily podcast, just getting into the word.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's not trying to tell people what to believe, just trying to help believers get into the word of God.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're very like-minded in the way that we view online ministry and the powerful effect of the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm so excited for our conversation today.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're actually just going to get into the word.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm really excited to do that together real time in a podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: So welcome, Matt, to the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Should we disclose that we tried to do this once already and we just get it off so much and had so much fun talking?
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  SPEAKER_01: But we were like, well, in like two hours of really enjoyed hearing about you and your husband's ministry and church and what's going on.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: And seems like you've enjoyed hearing about what me and Camilla are doing, but maybe we should get back together later.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is true, guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: I showed up like two minutes late because I was moving the laundry from the washer to the dryer.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, sorry, hi, nice to meet you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk on the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we were like, wait a second.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, like let's actually talk.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, where is the Lord?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, and it just was such a great, fruitful.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think we ended up talking for like three hours.
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  SPEAKER_00: So like-minded in ministry.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm so grateful to find a brother in Christ that, you know, genuinely just wants to serve the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's not about you building your kingdom.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like, no, we're here for the Lord's kingdom and his will and be done.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: We had never seen each other's YouTubes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like the algorithm on YouTube had separated us.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's crazy because we're very similar.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like this is what I feel like is a better, more updated version of Gordon Fee and Douglas Stewart's The Bible for All It's Worth.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then they did the Bible book by book and they broke down each book of the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like this is like a really good, more approachable version of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But no, this is so great.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I love that you're a fellow Zonervan author because I know that you and the people that helped make this book happen are like the salt of the earth great people.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is gonna truly help the church and its quality and it's been prayed over.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, I don't want to ask you all the silly classic podcast questions, but I do have to ask you if there was one way where you feel like this book would actually be like this is the best use of the Lightning Fast Feel Guy, how do you envision that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Use case number one is just onboarding somebody to the Bible who's either been around it for a long time but never cobbled together the bigger story, or onboarding somebody who's completely brand new and just has no idea where anything goes, where anything fits.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you think of the Bible as a cinematic universe with 66 installments, okay, we'll think about how overwhelming it would be if someone dropped in from space and knew nothing about the Marvel cinematic universe.
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  SPEAKER_01: You got all this lore and all this stuff, timeline, and people feel very strongly about it, and there's debates about different issues within that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It would take a long time to get onboarded on that thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what would benefit someone would be like a handy companion to get up to speed on the Marvel cinematic universe so you can look cool at parties when people bring up this subject.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is meant to really accelerate that process of knowing why each book of the Bible is in there, how they feel, how that not just like the academic stuff, but the stuff that you you kind of have to intuit.
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  SPEAKER_01: It feels this way.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is what people have done with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it's it's more poetry in this one.
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  SPEAKER_01: This one seems like a story, but the original audience, it would have read more like a poem or an epic.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the book, I spent a lot of energy trying to figure out all of those touch points, those common touch points that we have in storytelling, so that even if somebody hasn't, you know, gone and burned three years of their life on seminary, they can really quickly feel like, wow, I I can navigate this thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm understanding who the characters are and how it all fits together.
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  SPEAKER_01: So onboarding is one.
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  SPEAKER_01: The second really handy use case is just set it by your Bible and you have it right there.
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  SPEAKER_01: The the way the thing breaks down.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I guess we're going with Ezekiel.
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  SPEAKER_01: Each book just looks like this.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's very, very efficient in terms of how quickly it hums along.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's all of Ezekiel right there.
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  SPEAKER_01: You've now seen it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a real quick, bolded a question or category, and then a quick yet still very human-sounding answer.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the categories are not what a seminary professor would go through and write, though I like them, respect them, and am grateful to them.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're contending with other academics.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're trying to win arguments.
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  SPEAKER_01: They need to win.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have the luxury of just ruthlessly trying to make it make sense.
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  SPEAKER_01: I get to imagine an audience and think, how would they ask questions?
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  SPEAKER_01: How do they talk about other stories?
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, let's just do it like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So a lot of the categories that are covered in the book are tightly tuned to how we talk about stories and books and things that we're trying to understand here in normal world.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the third use case, in addition to read it end to end and onboard quickly, and in addition to leave it by your Bible and use it as a quick reference as you're going through things.
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  SPEAKER_01: The next one would just be for a study, a shared study.
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  SPEAKER_01: It makes it really easy to, you know, you could take a couple of the short books, pack them down, double them up on a given week, but it makes it really easy to do a book a week for a Bible in a year, where you'll come out with a study group, with a reading partner, just going solo, feeling like, dang, I've got every book of the Bible in my hip pocket in language and categories I understand and that I use.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the cool thing is that it takes about five minutes to read each chapter.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if at any point you feel like, I kind of forgot some of the Ezekiel five minutes, and you're right back to that baseline of understanding about the book.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's so many people reading through the Bible for the first time right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like this is a great, like, have right beside your Bible just, okay, now I'm going into a new book of the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me read these like two, three simple, easy to read pages that will just summarize what I'm about to step into.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not quite as lost reading through Ezekiel, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Last night we had we've started like a small group at our church.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, small groups are hard.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like the pastor's asking you to come to another Bible study.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you know, we're sitting there and we're going through Galatians, you know, just like an easy epistle.
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  SPEAKER_00: And immediately, it's a great little study guide that we're going through, but immediately people are asking questions like, Paul set up this church, right?
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, When?
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  SPEAKER_00: What which missionary journey?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, it's debated.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do I go into the north and south theory?
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  SPEAKER_00: Do I talk about like big Galatia versus little Galatia?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, how far do we go into this, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I really thought about your book and going, it would have been nice to introduce them to remember, this is who Paul is, because another woman, a Brazilian woman, she's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was like, Paul was Saul, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And when did that happen in Acts?
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  SPEAKER_00: And you're like, Acts nine, you know, like it's just there's so much that can be needed just to understand who is this yelling at the beginning of an epistle and why is he so angry, you know?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's my rambly way of saying, I think this is really needed.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of Christians need it and they don't even realize they need it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But just a little lightning fast guide to just get you into the Bible, whatever book you're reading, with some guardrails.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I recently was in Nahum and I couldn't remember exactly where in the history, because obviously with exile, it gets really confusing with Persia eventually taking over, and then you're like, wait, when exactly was this before or after Babylon?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know?
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's like you gotta quickly be able to figure that out, or you're Googling it and you don't really, you can't really trust Chat GPT and Google on these things all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you think about how much Chat GPT hallucinates, I mean, you saw that lady the other day.
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  SPEAKER_01: I felt terrible for her, but also that's what you get with AI.
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  SPEAKER_01: She was arguing a case between like before like the Georgia Supreme Court or something, and the chief justice stops her.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Hey, you cited eight cases in here, none of which exist.
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  SPEAKER_01: Did you prepare this?
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  SPEAKER_01: She's like, Uh, I'll get back to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: She used Chat GPT.
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  SPEAKER_01: Stop her.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of those results are cycling back in now to the repository of knowledge that is Google.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that is part of why I wanted to write it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, now is a great time to put the stuff that is just the actual raw data of the Bible in usable physical form so you can hold it and have it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It can't be informed by ChatGPT.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, Matt, I just realized there's probably somebody listening and going, yeah, but why do I need to know the date and the history behind a book?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why does that really matter?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm just trying to listen to the spirit.
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  SPEAKER_00: What would you say to that critique?
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  SPEAKER_01: Golly, that's a great question.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here's why I love the question, because it's rooted in truth.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've both heard someone raise that objection.
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  SPEAKER_01: The question you asked is also rooted in compassion for the person who asks it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you and I both know the person who asks it because we've both been there before.
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  SPEAKER_01: When something is intimidating to us, it is easy to dismiss it and say, well, I think the best way to appreciate it is the way that isn't threatening to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: For me, I lived in Las Vegas.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was intimidated by the strip when I moved there right out of seminary.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was talking with somebody about it and I was complaining about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's still not my thing or my favorite, but they were like, hey, if you're gonna live here, you gotta understand it and you're gonna be up there a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: You should just go up and explore it and get to the place where you kind of own it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, all right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I just started going up there every day by myself on my lunch break.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'd drive the little back alleys and back streets and figure out like the local parking and the clever things you could do, the little Las Vegas hacks to get in there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I would just go walk around, you know, on the casino floor and stuff.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a gambler.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, I'm so boring.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I don't even drink.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would just go and see like this is what people do.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I started to recognize people who worked there and I started to greet them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And after a few months, I was like, I'm not afraid of Las Vegas anymore because I dove into it and now I see the benefit to having the knowledge of how this thing works.
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  SPEAKER_01: But at first, I wanted to just distance myself completely.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: And the truth is because I was insecure, I was intimidated.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: The question you just brought up, in my experience, is a question that is asked out of insecurity.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: The Bible is huge.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look at this thing, Faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: And mine's even bigger because I got it wet, so the pages expanded.
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  SPEAKER_01: It it's it's a gigantic document.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: You don't even have to take a history class to get an undergraduate degree anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: People don't know this stuff, and that's okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you start talking about Assyria and Babylon and Persia and that exile timeline you just casually threw out.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's so much easier at that point for somebody to say, I just want the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just want Christ in my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: One, I don't really want to do the work to go and study that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a history person.
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  SPEAKER_01: Two, I think some people are afraid of what they might find, that it might kind of take away the magic of the thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: That when I just focus on the passages that are kind of between me and the Lord, it's straightforward.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I start getting into academic things or things that people fight about, that makes me feel bad and it makes me feel like maybe the whole thing is fake.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm gonna have to go all the way down the rabbit hole to sort it out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know if I can do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I have the chops for that.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I would rather stay here.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: If you are that person, I have you, I was thinking of you when I wrote that because I'm empathetic to you, because I've been there and I get it.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: And this would be my pushback on that question.
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  SPEAKER_01: One, y'all are a lot better at reading stories and understanding stuff than you're giving yourself credit for.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can watch a sophisticated, intelligent film and understand character motivations.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can understand the story arc.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can have a sharp conversation about that with a friend when you're done.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can read a book and think about it deeply.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can listen to somebody who's going through a hard time at Chili's over lunch as they pour their heart out, and you can see all of those little emotional moving parts.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: You can hold all of the details in your brain at once.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are good at this.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: It just is intimidating when you apply those skills you've developed to the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_01: And my exhortation would be stop being intimidated.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have the skill set, you've been quietly nurturing this skill set your whole life, and you're ready to apply it to the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the second exhortation would be when you get into the nuts and bolts, the raw details, when you start to lay extra biblical history over the top of the Bible, it does not get worse, it gets better.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's faith crisis proof, uh, faith in like the lowercase F sense of faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so what happens is you go from thinking about the Bible as kind of a thing that exists on a separate plane from history in the real world, to the more you get into these details, the more you realize it is a product of the flow of history that God is superintending.
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  SPEAKER_01: And instead of, oh no, now I see too much history in the Bible, it makes me feel weird, you'll start to say, Oh, now I see so much more Bible and redemptive history in extra-biblical history that now I can't stop seeing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So my friend, the person who faith was just referencing right there, don't be intimidated by this stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're good at it, you're well trained.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a reason God ordained this stuff to be in here for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You knew what he was doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if it's intimidating, I I guess this is the hardest sell I'm doing on my book right here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had you in mind when I wrote the book, and I think it might help you with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Praise the Lord, man.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's put it to action.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: We talked before, turning on the camera, that I would just spur on you a random passage of scripture.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I keep going back and forth about like, you know, which narrative to throw at you because there's so many good ones, but I also kind of want to do one that like people aren't going to expect because there I have some of my favorites.
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  SPEAKER_01: We did not plan this, but the point of the exercise is here is how we would start to unpack something when you were coming in cold.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just like most people come in cold to their Bible study, unprepared and just like, okay, Lord, what do you have for me today?
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: And here we go.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll go to the parable of the Good Samaritan in Luke 10, 25 and following.
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  SPEAKER_00: Kind of a long percopee.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right before Mary and Martha.
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  SPEAKER_00: How would you approach Luke 10?
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Your Bible reading guide says that you need to read these couple verses.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: What is that?
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's about 12 verses.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: How would you get started?
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Where would you go?
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: First thoughts, first steps.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: How would you feel about me putting on my giant whimsical stony Tony Stark uh reading glasses here before we get started?
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because I don't know why.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: We're all gonna judge you.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, here we go.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what are we doing in Luke so far?
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: Straight up, if I just didn't remember this parable at all, I was like, I don't remember where we are in the story, I don't remember what's going on.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: What I might start by doing is just thumbing back to the beginning of Luke, all the way to Luke 1.
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  SPEAKER_01: Most Bibles are gonna have bold up above that gives you, you know, it's it's extra biblical.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like Luke didn't write the section headings, but they're really useful.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: So mine says, preface the method and purpose of writing here right at the beginning of Luke 1.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, that'd be the kind of thing where I go, oh, that's important.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, he's gonna tell me why he wrote everything in this book.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: That will help me when I get there.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: So right off the bat, I've just lucked out, uh, because the first thing's gonna help.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see what we got.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
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  SPEAKER_01: Therefore, since I myself, I'm assuming I is Luke, have carefully investigated everything from the beginning.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: It seems good also to me to write you an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you've been taught.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: All right, that helps.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: So Luke wasn't there, he didn't see it.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: What I'm about to read, he investigated.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: He must have talked to other people, and they're bringing him up to speed.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: He's writing it for somebody else.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think that's probably gonna be relevant for the moment, but he's writing it so that he may be certain of the things he's been taught.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so he's trying to persuade me.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: He's showing me that this is real and good, and he's telling me he did reliable work.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, what do we get?
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: John the Baptist is gonna be born, Jesus is gonna be born.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: I remember that from Christmas.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: John the Baptist is born, there's the Christmas stuff, Jesus is born, there's a census.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Remember all of that from Christmas and songs, angels, and stuff.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Jesus grows up.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm into chapter three.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I remember this too.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus gets baptized.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: We got a genealogy.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now he's doing ministry in chapter four.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, now I'm getting a whole bunch of little subheadings here.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's doing miracles, power.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: He's demonstrating his power over demons and over disease.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Now he has authority to call disciples in chapter five.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, this is all ringing a bell.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Power over defilement and defectiveness.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm remembering this.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so now he's getting more popular.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: People, that's right, they're starting to become more threatened by him because it's working, but also his disciples are becoming more enthusiastic about him because every miracle they see, everything they see him do, they're thinking more and more, maybe this is the Christ, the Messiah, the one who is to roan uh reign on the throne of David forever.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: Chapter seven and eight, he's doing more miraculous stuff, and and now he's teaching in parables.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: So this is a parable in chapter 11, and it looks like he's spending a lot of time with his disciples here.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: So we pick it up in chapter 10, and we start with Jesus sending out a whole bunch of his disciples.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I think I'm oriented.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: That would be how I would attack it first.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: Before I got to chapter 10, I would go and do a quick scan of all of that.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: What do you make of that?
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: That overkill?
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's exactly yeah.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: When I talk about context and like reading, checking out what's before and after a text, that is exactly what I do.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: And it's probably about that long of like, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, have they covered this yet?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: How you know, and just freshening yourself up.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of people don't do that, like in sermon series or in Bible studies, like in group settings.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then they're like, oh, I didn't go to last week's lesson, so now I'm lost.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like we're supposed to be refreshing ourselves each time we get into the text to remind ourselves where we've been and where we're going.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think that has a lot of good benefits that are even sometimes unexplainable.
• 18:16
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• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's get back to the conversation.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: But what about some of your stuff from the Lightning Fast Field Guide?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: Because I feel like you got a lot of good stuff here.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, in every chapter, we start with a Lightning Fast summary.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: Here it is Jesus is the compassionate savior of the world.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: He's for everyone.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it does a sequel called Acts.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was written by Luke, talks about how he wrote it, talks about that guy he wrote it for.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, here we go.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: All right, type of book.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: Persuasive theological narrative.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: Tone and feel.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Luke is brave, outside the box, and wildly optimistic.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Luke's tone mirrors Jesus' demeanor.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: Bad things happen, but Jesus resolutely sets his face toward redemption and powers through all resistance.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I happen to remember that that phrase or that word resolutely comes up right here in the middle of the book of Luke as well.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: There's kind of a pivot point here where Jesus resolutely sets out toward Jerusalem.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: He knows exactly what he's walking into.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I happen to know that that moment where Jesus leaves the friendly confines of the north, where he's been hanging out and pretty well received, and heads toward the hive of scum and villainy where he's going to be put to death on false charges.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: I happen to remember that that occurs just a little bit before this moment, right here.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: He's on his way to Jerusalem when all of this stuff is going on.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: And it makes sense that the closer he gets to Jerusalem, the closer he gets to the headquarters of his enemies, the more he's going to be tested and pushed.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like there's radiation coming out of Jerusalem.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: And the closer he gets, the more exposed he is to the people who don't like him and would like him to go away.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I suppose that's handy.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: There's a pivot point mentioned here.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there's a section called Pivot Point.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Not everyone is excited by what Jesus is doing.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: By Luke 6, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law were furious and began to discuss with one another what they might do to Jesus.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus knows they're going to kill him.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: It was the plan all along.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: And here's my reference.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: In Luke 9, 51, the whole story pivots as Jesus resolutely sets out for Jerusalem, even though it's the stronghold of those who want them, who want him dead?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: He travels slowly, performing miracles, gathering crowds, and teaching famous parables like those of the good Samaritan and the prodigal son.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: So there you go.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like that little guide comes in handy right there.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then there you go.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: We're set up with context and ready to fire this one.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I got a question for you.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: How does Jesus getting closer to Jerusalem affect the pacing of the way Luke works out?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, when you read through this book, what do you notice about the difference between the early section, the pre-on the way to Jerusalem, and the on the way to Jerusalem and in Jerusalem section about just where Jesus is at, what he's thinking, how he comes off, what he says, what he emphasizes?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: Seems like he is very focused in on the mission with the Father, the and the will of the Father.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: And he gets a lot less like soft in his teachings.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: He gets a lot a little bit more blunt and straightforward the closer we get and willingly makes them angry, knows he's going to make Pharisees angry and yet still goes, but all the while stays with this very Lucan, like you're you said the.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Book in the summary, you gave a good one-sentence summary of the book.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: He's the compassionate savior of the world, he's for everyone.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: Luke does a really good job of showing how Jesus still loves the Varisees and the Sadducees, even though we hate them and we view them as the villains, you know.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like he still is presenting, you know, the good news of who he is all along the way.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: He's just more resolutely on mission.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: To be able to characterize it that well off the top of your head, what you do and how you approach this is clearly serving you really well.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, yes, I can't say it better than that.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: I particularly appreciated the way you noted how Jesus seems to more and more be depending on his father and focused on saying stuff about the will of the of his father.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's just locked in.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not that he wasn't locked in for the first nine chapters.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's just that once you've read this a couple of times, you can feel the tension build.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, uh, you think about some athletes, you get into clutch time and they fold.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: They they just don't look like it's gonna work.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: They look frantic, they start to lose composure.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: But then there's those few who have ice in their veins.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: And the closer they get to that pivotal moment, to that moment of truth, the more dialed in they get.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: And and like you said, that's what I see happening with Jesus.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, step one of understanding this parable, and we haven't even looked at it yet, is okay, what's the build out of the book?
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: Even if I don't know that off the top of my head, even if I, you know, you've studied this a lot, but maybe I haven't studied it that much, and I can't just off the top of my head pull all of that.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, but you could feel it out quick.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: You could use a resource like this, somebody else's resource, to get oriented and be like, all right, this is what's going on in Luke, chapter 10.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: This is right where this is like the first stuff that happens after the, all right, here we go, off to Jerusalem pivot point.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so that's that's a big deal.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: Where this happens in the story really matters.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: And okay, so now we get into it.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: On one occasion, an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: Teachery asked, What must I do to inherit eternal life?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: The fact that he's standing up makes me think that Jesus was probably teaching.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't somebody in this case who just ran up to him on the road.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, maybe I'd be curious to go and compare notes with Matthew and Mark, who give us moments like this as well.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's the same moment, maybe it's another moment.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: It makes sense that if one teacher of the law would want to know what Jesus says is required to inherit eternal life, that others would want to know that as well.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: Also, we know that this was a divisive issue.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: So this is a teacher in the law asking this question about what must I do to inherit eternal life?
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, one of the dominant parties of the day didn't think there was anything you could do to inherit eternal life because there was no eternal life.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: The Sadducees didn't think resurrection was a thing at all.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: And they try to make a mockery of the whole idea of resurrection when Jesus gets to Jerusalem.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: And they try to trap him with the question of the, you know, 18 widows and widowers and who you're going to be married to if you get married a hundred times and they all die.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: Won't that be chaotic in heaven?
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and Jesus, of course, navigates that perfectly when he gets there.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: But before we even get into Jesus' answer, this is politically loaded.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I have to imagine there were other people in the room who were looking at him and they were like, idiot, that's the wrong question.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so there's political fussiness between the different tribes, probably even as this got asked, that Jesus doesn't take the bait, he doesn't do anything political with it.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: What's written in the law?
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: He replied.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: How do you read it?
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: He answered, Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: And love your neighbor as yourself.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: You've answered correctly, Jesus replied.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: This is the equivalent of a giant Twitter fight.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Just I mean, I'm not even going to make one up because people will get upset and they'll quit thinking about the Bible with us, but just pick audience members in faith, a politician you don't like, you think is dishonest and bad from a party you don't like.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then imagine things that people from the other party say about that politician that make you mad.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then imagine someone said that, pulled the pin out of the grenade, and just rolled it into the equivalent of a first century Twitter thread.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know all the moves.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know what everybody's gonna say.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: Party A is gonna say this.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what about party B is gonna be like, oh yeah, of course, you don't even acknowledge the fact that your team did, and then Party A is gonna say this.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's so boring, it's so pedestrian.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: No one is thinking, no one is saying their own thoughts anymore.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: They're just saying whatever their team has programmed them to say.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's so dull.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus skips all of it.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: What he didn't say would have been as significant as what he did say.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: He took no bait, he did, he just answered the question as though it were forthright.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: But then in verse 29, uh, we get a weird response from the dude.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: What do you make of that?
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's very interesting.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: Jesus essentially alludes to the Shema of Deuteronomy 6, 4 through 5, this command for Israel to love God with their everything, essentially, with all their innards.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: Then he said to him, You have answered correctly, do this and you will live.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, and who is my neighbor?
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: He misses that God just called him to love God with everything.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: And he's just like, Okay, how may you get legalistic and draw a line?
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like he just kind of, like if he was a good Jew, he would know that the Lord requires everything of us and that everybody is our neighbor.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: But he's missing that.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: He me he's missing the whole heart and he's just jumping to legalism, which honestly, I'm sitting there going, I do the same thing countless times.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: The Lord calls me to love him with my everything.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, yeah, but when can I scroll on TikTok and be lazy and escape?
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I forget even your question, but I was just sitting there in conviction, honestly.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I I think you spoke to it.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's a weird response.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus' response is so tender and so above the fray.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: And dude comes back, at least to me, it sounds defensive.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: And who is my neighbor?
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: Or like the guy comes in with move number one of dumb pre-programmed Twitter fight.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus hand waves that and does something that's above it all that is actually true and meaningful and good.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: And dude is sitting there instead of listening, he's sitting there calculating, Well, yeah, how do I get him back on script with the Twitter fight?
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: But but there's a debate here.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like now I suspect that for for good reason that I won't totally unpack in the interest of time.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: I suspect that now we are back on track with the Twitter fight, and that the debate that is being alluded to here, that this teacher of the law wanted to find out which side Jesus is on over, is well, what about the people who live right here in the middle of historic Israel?
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: You're from up north in Galilee, that's us territory.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: We're from down south in Jerusalem, historic Judea, that's us territory.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: But in the middle, we have this weird half-breed territory, and that's kind of where we probably are right now in the story.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, we're supposed to, obviously, with the Bible and the whatnot, we're supposed to love our neighbors.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's very important.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: But what about Samaritans?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what about people who've pretty much bastardized the whole thing and are awful and have the wrong beliefs and wrong theology, and they worship the wrong way, and their very existence as a fly in the ointment of our historical claim to truth.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: What about them?
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: I suspect that this is the script the guy wanted, given geographically where Jesus is on his journey to Jerusalem, and it given what I know about the tensions that existed between Jews and Samaritans back then.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: So dude goes Twitter script, Jesus goes above it and Bible.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Dude tries to get it back on track with the Twitter script.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: What is Jesus going to do?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: Point A, just ignore all of their things and just everybody's right, everybody's a little right, all theology is equally right, Samaritan theology is right, and go soft.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: Or will he choose the only other option, which is B, and want them to be consumed with fire from heaven?
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: Therefore, we don't have to love them.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, faith, you knew this when you picked this passage.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus goes with other, as he is so often wont to do.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: You want to read the first part?
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um Jesus replied, A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers who stripped him and beat him and departed, leaving him half dead.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: Now by chance a priest was going down that road, and when he saw him, he passed by the other side.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: So likewise a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so the setup, what do you make of it?
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, for one, what's he saying?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: And two, what do you think the room is doing when he starts in on this story?
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: In some ways, it's like the ancient century.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: Three girls walk into a bar.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: There's a blonde, a brunette, you know, like in some ways, it's like he's that's what he's presenting, and you're supposed to jump to conclusions.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: You're supposed to have expectations based on the stereotypes, just like the first century listeners had expectations of the stereotype of a Samaritan and all that you just said previously.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think we're supposed to be trying to read between the lines of okay, robbers, you know, it is what it is.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of just happens when you're moving from Jerusalem to Jericho, but by chance, a priest and he comes by and we're supposed to jump to conclusions of what we're supposed to expect from him.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: And the kind of the tension continues to build like a big crescendo of what will these responses be?
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: Who am I supposed to be cheering for, really?
• 31:09
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• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: All right, now let's get back to the conversation.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: I could be wrong, but if you're willing to play along with my pre-programmed Twitter fight where each side knows what they're supposed to say, there's usually Team A is just locked in.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Team A can do no wrong.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: Team A will gladly think what Team A thought was horrible three years ago, if Team A now is told to like it.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's really, this is the dregs of thought on the internet.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's the most embarrassing expression of human thought.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: And if you can't tell, I loathe it and yearn for us to be above it, especially as Christians.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: But it happens.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: We can be duped into thinking that other people's ideas are our ideas, and our team loyalty can take us to places that are embarrassingly dishonest.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: How do I know?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because it happens to me.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I know it can happen.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so if we'll indulge the idea that there's sort of a pre-programmed fight that's been going on for a long time here, what we see is in part an attempt to pin Jesus down.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: We know from other places in the Bible that that was the technique that these guys wanted to lock Jesus in on a certain answer in the debate so they could say, see, we've already figured out how anyone who thinks that is vulnerable to these criticisms and therefore a big fraud and a big hypocrite.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think the room is, what do you think the room is doing with that at this point?
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think they're realizing that what they're hearing is completely different?
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Or do you think they're sitting there trying to figure out how to fit this into those categories still of Jews good, Samaritans bad, or maybe Jews good, Samaritans not so bad?
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: You think they're agitated?
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think they're intrigued?
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: What do you make of it?
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think they're gonna get pissed the moment he mentions the Samaritan.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: You bring him into the story, you have a priest and a Levi, and he, you know, I think their blood's immediately gonna get boiled because it he's gonna poke the idol, he's gonna poke the bear.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: But up to this point, I think they're probably like, okay, we know we're they're putting people into groups and stereotypes, and maybe don't see where he's about to go.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think you're probably right.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: I I think this is where the big switcheroo is about to happen, and it's disorienting.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I think there's discomfort.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: So priest is going down the same road and he saw the man, he passed by on the other side.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, and we just got done saying, Love the Lord your God and love your neighbors, yourself, but okay.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe, maybe they're like, Well, ritual, you know, cleanliness.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: He couldn't go over there.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see who else is along.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Levite.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, that's somebody from the same family, uh, the same historic family.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: They play a similar role in society.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they would need to remain pure as well.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: Who are they imagining that third, because it's always three, who are they imagining that the third passerby is going to be here?
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what are the ways the story could go?
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: Then uh a normal citizen of Jerusalem walked by, and he was nice.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: Is that what they were guessing?
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Then a Samaritan walked by and he was even worse.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I don't know what they're guessing.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: Happen, I mean, all the jokes have that.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: All right, well, let's keep going.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: But a Samaritan, so now the booing and hissing and the anger starts, but a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was, and when he saw him, he took pity on him.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, now I do think we have a problem in the room because I think the debate was not should we be nice to Samaritans or mean to Samaritans.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think the debate in this room would have been what is the correct biblical justification for how mean we should be to Samaritans?
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Is it this justification or that justification?
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: And if these people have any social sophistication at all, they've figured out that this is gonna this is not following the Twitter script.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-oh.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, he took pity on him.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Look after him, he said, and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, before we get to verse 36, which is the dagger in the heart question.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: The contrast so far.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: Dude number one, obviously walked by, barely even gets a whole sentence.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: Dude number two, so priest walks by, no.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: Levite walks by.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, obviously not.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: Not happening.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: Barely even gets a sentence.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: The Samaritan gets quintuple the amount of screen time that the priest and the Levite get.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: And with each passing word, he looks better.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about all the good things that he does here.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, so he was traveling, he had something to do, and he interrupted that.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's one good thing.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Two, he took pity.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's two.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: He went to him and bandaged his wounds.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: So he touched somebody else's blood and injury and used his own supplies and stuff to take care of him.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's four good things.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: He poured oil and wine on him.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: He spent serious money.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: So now we're up to five, six good things.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: Put the man on his own donkey.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: So gave this person he doesn't even know the dignity of writing in wealth.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh, the image of writing on a donkey is one that's going to come up here in just a few chapters, and there's a lot of dignity in that.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: Took him to an inn to take care of him.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Seven, uh, stayed with him overnight at the inn to make sure he'd be okay.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: Eight, then took out two silver, which is crazy money, and trusted it to an innkeeper, assuming the innkeeper would match his own goodwill, nine, and then said he would come back and check back in on him ten and would foot the bill for anything else that happens here, eleven.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of reminiscent of Paul at the end of Philemon being like, I know Onesimus wronged you.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: That is your perspective.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: Anything he owes you, I'm not just not just telling you to do the right thing.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm modeling it, I'll pay it.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Dang.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is not subtle.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's laid on so thick.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: Before Jesus asks the final question, I want to take your temperature again, Faith, as as you're gauging the room here.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now, what do you think everybody's thinking?
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: A Samaritan would never.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think they're immediately doing what we do today and making justifying their sin, justifying why they would pass on the other side and not even give him a second look.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile, the Samaritan bends down, touches him, puts him on his donkey, pays for him, like constantly like near and involved and invested.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: We we find every excuse to not be invested in the needs of our neighbor or to care or to give love and grace.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I think in some ways that's human nature when we are legalists and pious, prideful little jerkaroonies.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think they're also ready to rip off Jesus' head at this point because how dare he talk so highly of a Samaritan and act like they could be better than a priest or a Levite, held in such high regard.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that in some ways feels like a dig at the law.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's coming at their cleanliness laws and how legalistic they were with those, adding to the law, but then bending it when they wanted to, you know.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I think there's a lot, a lot there, but they're not happy with Jesus, just to put things simple.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: I I think that's such a good characterization and appreciate the way you once again mirrored it back to us and how we work.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: Again, I'm not gonna jab the bear.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna do it.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna talk about this news headline or that news headline over the last five or ten years of history.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: But if you live in the same country I do and you are decidedly loyal to uh a team here, I promise you, you have felt the temptation to look at a news headline that frankly isn't a great look for what you vote for and dismiss it and write it off and be mad.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: It is hard to keep your heart soft with the way we do discourse and the way we talk about things in the world right now.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: I imagine that was the room here too.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: People so locked in to certain presuppositions that maybe sometimes, you know, maybe they were justified.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe people would add bad ex I look.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm sure there were realities here that that are very complex.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: I get that.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: But somebody came to Jesus and asked a big picture truth question, and he gave them an answer that they all knew by heart, directly from their own scriptures.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's it's one of the 10 or 15 passages in the Old Testament that has a name.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's so famous.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: They all knew it.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: People probably had this posted in their homes.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: They all knew it.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus doesn't give them any novelty at all.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind, and love your neighbors yourself.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, I kind of just scroll past the Bible stuff.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: Keep going with the argument, though.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: Get back to the Twitter thing.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: And he gets steered back toward the Twitter thing and hits them with this story that is clearly designed to obliterate all of the political, social opinion categories that existed at the time.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: This is a wrecking ball through all of the neat, tidy, pious, self-righteous little political opinions game that everyone had built and everyone was participating in.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's part of the genius of it.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not smart enough to write a version of this for our current predicament with our current bipolar society and the way we fight with each other.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: But there is a version of this that could be written that would make no one happy and would point straight back to biblical values and would leave us all from across the Christian political spectrum fussing and flustering and pointing fingers, but really just being dumbstruck because there is a version of this story that could be written directly to us with our circumstances that would demonstrate that we we don't love the values of the kingdom as much as we say we do.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't love the values of the kingdom as much as I say I do.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes we fall in love with the fight.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I fall in love with the fight more than the stuff that redeems the fight.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: And like the fight is the brokenness of humanity.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: This is the thing we're all trying to fix and escape and be redeemed from.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yet sometimes we're deeply irritated when God's word is put in front of us and it reminds us that we can't scrap and politic and fight our way out of the fight and out of the muck.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel a lot of empathy with the people in this room.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: You want to read the end of the passage?
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'll give you the payoff question, the payoff line here in verse 36.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: Which of these three do you think proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell among the robbers?
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: He said, the one who showed him mercy.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: And Jesus said to him, You go and do likewise.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, anyways, there's my story, guys.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: So just a little feedback question, engagement question for all of you here in the room.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: So, of the three that we discussed here, which one would you say was a neighbor to that man?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: Am I wrong to detect snark on the part of Jesus here?
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, no.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, absolutely not.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: I love how snarky he is.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: Why are we even asking the question?
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: The answer is self-explanatory.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we're asking the question because we're you're gonna own it, people in the room who wanted me to be a part of your dumb Twitter fight.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, you know the answer to the question.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Was it the guy who walked by?
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: Was it the other guy who walked by, or was it the guy who helped?
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: What tone do you imagine the expert in the law had when he said the one who had mercy on him?
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think he was uh begrudgingly saying it.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: The one who showed mercy, you know, like one of those.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think he was secretly hating himself in the moment as he said the words, and people definitely rolled their eyes in the room and started to walk out and all those kinds of things.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: The take-home of the passage is go and do likewise.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was really nice of Jesus not to rub it in.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: And and, you know, he's not above it.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes Jesus really spells it out.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think, particularly of was it Matthew 23?
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he really spells it out.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you whitewashed tomb, yeah, vipers.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he he gets after him.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: But here, Jesus' response almost indicates that he imagines there could be a softening of the heart and a goodwill response to what just happened.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: He just took a flashlight and pointed it away from the Twitter conversation.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: Was like, if you're looking for the off-ramp, this is it right here.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: You've had it printed as a poster on the walls of your home all this time.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: All this time.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: Love Lord your God with everything you got.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: Love your neighbor as yourself.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, to me here, I hear some echoes of that come to me, all you who are weary and burdened kind of thought from Jesus.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: I I see behind this text an exhaustion.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: There is there's no end game.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: There's no heart nourishment to the game that this teacher and the law was playing and that the people in the room expected him to play.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: Just endless tweets.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: You say A, I say B, you say C.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: I say D.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's what we do.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: We just yell about these things and embarrass ourselves and squander our lives.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: They had to feel this back then.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: People had to have known these dumb arguments and these stupid false dance steps that were going on.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus shines a light with one simple short little story on an off ramp.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: A different way, a better way.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: Something that is life-giving, something that isn't burdensome.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then rather than spike in the football, he gets to the end and just urges them to go and do likewise.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: So there's two ways that I could enunciate this, right?
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: Gets done with the story.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: The one who had mercy on him.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Go and do likewise.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: I I can imagine tremendous gentleness at this point.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: And Jesus just stepping out of the limelight.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: I said what I needed to say.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: I can also hear something that sounds a little bit more prophetic.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: So which one of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: The one who had mercy on him.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, go and do likewise.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: Either way, the take-home is the same.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't think Jesus needed a lot of um spit and fire here at the end of this to make the point.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Faith, did you see Shane Gillis did this joke at the Espies?
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: He pointed to a lady who was his friend's wife and made up a fake name for her at the the ESPN Sports Awards.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, and uh so-and-so just made up a name, uh, is in the house, four-time WNBA MVP, and everybody's like, yo, give it up.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, I'm just kidding, that's my friend's wife.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: None of you watch the WNBA.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: And the reason it's funny is not because there's a dang thing wrong with the WNBA.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: I just like that.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: The reason it's funny is because everyone was aware of the Twitter conversation, and they were aware of what they're supposed to like or what they're supposed to not like.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: And they all played along performatively, yeah, and dishonestly, and he caught them in it right there in front of everybody.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: And like, there's what can you say?
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: There's no argument after that.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: Were you one of the people who stood up and cheered for that fake person?
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you would know a four-time MVP of a league if you watched the league.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so he pointed out like he did it in real time with the room.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, come on, guys, let's let's drop the act for the rest of the SBs here tonight so we can have a nice time.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't say that, but he said that.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like Jesus, much more eloquently, accomplished that here.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: Implicit in this is hey, let's drop the act.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't about inheriting eternal life.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't about what's actually right or good, beautiful, or noble or pure.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: This is about this dumb little non-life-giving fight that you guys are just trapped in in a quagmire.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: And here's the off-ramp.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: Here is life.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: So, what do you have to do to inherit eternal life?
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, on the one hand, the Shema, but I think there's another layer to what Jesus is giving them.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: And it's here's a completely other way to think and talk and approach the world and approach your moment on the stage of history that's informed by the grace and the tenderness of God, informed by love for God and love for people made in his image.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I just think uh I don't know how many words are here, and maybe Jesus has a hundred words that are in red, and he accomplishes so much so quickly.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: What I love about what he does here is it's not like he's like ignore the cleanliness laws, but he levels them up, you know.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's not that we don't like I'm just throwing out the law because it doesn't matter.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's I've come to fulfill the law, and it's been all it's always been about so much more than just checking the boxes.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's always about who do you love and why, not oh, they're in my party.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: I like them and I don't like the Samaritans.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: I have self-righteous hatred of them, you know.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think so highly of myself that I get to hate them.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's always been about loving Yahweh.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: And really, you see a pastoral aspect of this where he's truly just after their hearts.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: And that that that fruit that comes from having the Lord reign in your hearts.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: And it's so timeless.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like he levels the playing field for all Samaritans, Sadducees, Samaritans, even.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wait, did I say that already?
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: Pharisees, Sadducees, and Samaritans, even.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: And it convicts us through time.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like all Christians, all denominations, all theological tracts, all of us will be convicted, even amongst our hatred, amongst like brothers and sisters across the aisle, you know, the ways that we condemn each other.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's so good.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: So good.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: The go and do likewise is hard for me here.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, we have the power of the edit, so anything stupid we could say, we could make go away here.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, I know that there's a camera and a microphone here.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, I know people are going to watch this.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: So my guard is going to be uh up a little bit, and I'm going to try to sound like a Christian.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I I want to be a Christian.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I want to live by these teachings, but the heart can be a weird place.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: This is deeply convicting for me because not just them.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: I know what it is like to know Bible verses very, very well and Bible passages very well, and even post them around my office and have them memorized, and then just go and do not likewise.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because well, there's a there's a few different reasons.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: One, because you get sucked into the fight.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: Two, because you want to justify yourself.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: Three, because of insecurity or embarrassment.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: Four, the other thing that's on display here that sucks people into not kingdom thinking is just hatred.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: Raw, unbridled uh hatred toward somebody else being more powerful than than the love of God.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: And that's that's scary.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, uh thank you for picking this one.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: It will never get old to me and it will never be unneeded for me.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: And may I never imagine myself to be the Jesus character in this parable.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: May I always imagine myself to be the teacher of the law who's decided to turn on a camera and a microphone and get out a Bible and say things to the internet about these things, but who has the capacity to completely miss the point under pressure.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, convicting.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's helpful.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, if you guys are watching this on YouTube, because I post my podcast on YouTube as well.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: Let us know in the comments what else do you see in this passage.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because I do not think I'll ever read this again without thinking about this podcast.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: It made me see it in a whole new lie and to like go slowly through it with my brother in the faith and just ask the questions and be real and not just think of the veggie tales version of it has been really good.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you for it.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for picking a great passage and uh thanks for trusting me.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: You have a lot of people uh who are listening who you care about, and it's not lost on me.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: The gesture of of trust to let me share microphone time with you and with them.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thanks for coming on, truly.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: Guys, seriously, I'm not just saying it because he's my new friend, but definitely check out the Lightning Fast Field Guide to the Bible, April 21st.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: So excited.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: So pre-order it.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's such a great resource to have.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_00: Quick grab in your Bible study bag or on your Bible study desk, whatever, even just like a coffee table book.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: But when you're like talking about something and you can't remember, when was that written?
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: Who wrote that book, etc.?
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: Grab this, look it up really quick.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then you have all these great reflections of what's wrong in Ephesus?
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: What's the theme verse?
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, just all these things.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: People ask me all the time what the theme verse of a book is.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: Guys, check out this book, okay?
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you, Matt, for coming on and thank you so much for getting into the word with us today.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: It was a blast.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really grateful, Faith.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, wait, let's let's end it like the cheesy podcasters that we are.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: Where can people find you?
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because I know people will be mad if I don't ask you.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: The 10-minute Bible hour podcast.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: Give a website.com gets you most of my stuff.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: My YouTube channel, which has been pretty much dormant for the last year while I've been writing this book, is called Matt Whitman and the 10 Minute Bible Hour.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then the 10 Minute Bible Hour podcast is my daily audio only.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: Pick a book of the Bible and chip away at it every day podcast, which is uh it's a lovely way to make the Bible a part of your daily rhythm.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: You can get that anywhere you find podcasts.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's different than my YouTube channel.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_01: They're completely separate things.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: And for your audience, I think they might like some of what's going on on the YouTube side, but I suspect they really might like the daily podcast.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: We've done seasons on Matthew, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: We did one season where we did one book of the Bible per day.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: So pretty quick season.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: And we did Galatians, Philemon, and I just started John.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: Sick.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: Guys, that's such a great to join him in John would be awesome.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_00: Also, Philemon or Philemon is one of my favorite books of the Bible.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: So you love that you just did that.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for coming on.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I look forward to everybody saying how much they loved this episode because I know I did.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 52:33
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