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Episode #147: From Chick-fil-A to Cow Farts: Unveiling the Secrets of the Rogue Food Conference · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_01: At first, they ignore you, and then they discredit you, and then they fight you, and then you win.
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SPEAKER_01: That that's the stages of societal policy evolution.
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SPEAKER_01: And so raw milk was ignored as it's you know, it's nothing.
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SPEAKER_01: And then there's been a massive effort to discredit it.
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SPEAKER_01: Now we're in the fight stage.
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SPEAKER_01: We're in the fight stage.
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SPEAKER_01: They are really, really fighting this at the federal level.
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SPEAKER_01: And according to Gandhi, the next stage is we win.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm what I'm watching I'm watching for that.
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SPEAKER_00: Hi, everybody.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to another episode of Beyond Labels.
0:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Cena McCullough here with my favorite co-host and our favorite farmer, Joel Salatin.
0:43
SPEAKER_00: Today we have an exciting episode for you.
0:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, today we have Joel talking about what happened at the rogue food conference.
0:51
SPEAKER_00: And we're going to bring in some other little tantalizing stories along the way.
0:55
SPEAKER_00: The first one comes from one of our listeners, uh Sandra Hawkins.
0:59
SPEAKER_00: She says, uh, Dr.
1:00
SPEAKER_00: McCullough, I'm wondering if you've seen this story, which appears to be weaponization against raw milk.
1:08
SPEAKER_00: And this story was titled Cats Died after drinking raw milk from cows with bird flu.
1:16
SPEAKER_00: So, Joel, that story fits in nicely with the topics of rogue food.
1:21
SPEAKER_00: So why don't you take it away and enlighten us?
1:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:25
SPEAKER_01: You know, um, you know, these kinds of things you you can just feel uh uh like the the foundation.
1:37
SPEAKER_01: This is where I feel like a foundation is being laid now to truly, truly outlaw raw milk.
1:47
SPEAKER_01: So you had you had high high path avian influenza in chicken farms in Texas, and then they got into a KFO dairy, a concentrated animal feeding operation, a confinement dairy nearby, apparently one of the chicken houses.
2:03
SPEAKER_01: And some of those cows got sold to, I think, um, Michigan and others in Wisconsin.
2:09
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so now there are herds clear out of state uh with this uh high path avian influenza.
2:16
SPEAKER_01: And now the last thing that happened was 24 cats at that original uh confinement dairy have now died from drinking and drinking the milk at that dairy, and all the milk was raw.
2:32
SPEAKER_01: And you can just feel the narrative.
2:35
SPEAKER_01: You can just you can just feel the the oppressive narrative.
2:39
SPEAKER_01: And so I can tell you there uh there are there are people with in our in our circles, Cena, that that that are in the know that are close to this, um, that are suggesting that this is the foundation being laid to actually prohibit the drinking of raw milk.
3:01
SPEAKER_01: Uh because because her herd shares are coming on in uh states.
3:05
SPEAKER_01: This is not federal has not has dug in its heels on raw milk.
3:12
SPEAKER_01: But states are are just one after another after another passing you know raw milk bills of of different kinds, whether it's you know, you can milk three cows and sell the milk, whether it's you can register at pet food, not for human consumption.
3:26
SPEAKER_01: There are numerous things that are being done at at the state level.
3:30
SPEAKER_01: And so so so I'm just gonna say that right now, right now, as we speak, the raw milk uh movement is gaining steam, gaining power, gaining momentum, and the anti-raw milk people are starting to come become unglued, apoplectic.
3:59
SPEAKER_00: Wait, and so when you say so the states are getting involved, so federal's been against the raw milk, and now you're saying states are they coming to the defense and they're passing laws to help people have okay.
4:10
SPEAKER_00: So when the part about the herd shares, do you mean there's more states that are saying you can have herd shares?
4:16
SPEAKER_01: Okay, yes, yes, okay, yes, her her herd all all of the all of the raw milk uh legalization and and whatever exemptions and loopholes, um all of those are coming at the state level.
4:34
SPEAKER_01: And and you and you and I, we we believe in states' rights.
4:38
SPEAKER_01: We in other words, we don't think there should be any federal rule regarding milk.
4:43
SPEAKER_01: None, period.
4:44
SPEAKER_01: Just that that's not uh in other words, I think we would agree that even the the food laws are not a federal, they're not a federal jurisdiction.
4:54
SPEAKER_01: Uh they're not they're not given by the constitution.
4:57
SPEAKER_01: It's it's not a uh food safety, food protection is not an enumerated federal power in the constitution.
5:05
SPEAKER_01: It's a state issue.
5:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
5:08
SPEAKER_00: Yes, because the federal constitutionally only can regulate the interstate commerce, right?
5:15
SPEAKER_00: Things that cross the state line.
5:17
SPEAKER_01: Right, that's right.
5:18
SPEAKER_01: Things that cross the state line.
5:19
SPEAKER_01: And and and but not only that, but the the federal is limited by what's called the enumerated powers.
5:27
SPEAKER_01: In other words, in other words, the constitution says, here's what the federal can do, this, this, and this.
5:32
SPEAKER_01: And anything that we fail to mention here, they can't.
5:37
SPEAKER_01: That's called that's called the the the the whatever, you know, the enumerated powers clause.
5:42
SPEAKER_01: And and so the federal can only involve intervene in things that have been given to it by the constitution.
5:49
SPEAKER_01: Now you and I know that they have penetrated, they they've overrun that boundary on a you know on a host of things, but um, you know, but but that that's where we are.
6:00
SPEAKER_01: And so uh so so you know, there's a there's a huge um, you know a war going on uh in in this arena of of self-determination food freedom.
6:19
SPEAKER_01: Do I have the right to choose my food or not?
6:22
SPEAKER_01: And as a farmer, do I have the right to sell my food to somebody who, as a consenting adult, uh wants to engage in uh a transaction with me?
6:33
SPEAKER_01: And so, and so um I can I I I just my sense right now is that the the food freedom movement is on the move.
6:48
SPEAKER_01: It's it's on the move right now.
6:51
SPEAKER_01: And uh goodness, I mean, these homestead, these homestead things that are pop all over the country.
6:57
SPEAKER_01: There's there's just there's oodles of them.
6:59
SPEAKER_01: And um and they're attended by thousands of people.
7:03
SPEAKER_01: These aren't little, you know, 300-person conferences.
7:06
SPEAKER_01: These are, I mean, uh, this weekend I'll be in uh I'll be in well, no, I'll be in Colorado this week, next weekend in in uh Tennessee for the the Homestead Festival in Tennessee.
7:17
SPEAKER_01: You know, they'll have, I don't know what, six, seven, eight thousand people there.
7:21
SPEAKER_01: Uh these are these are these are huge, huge things.
7:25
SPEAKER_01: And so, so what happens when you know Gandhi said, at first, at first they ignore you, and then they discredit you, and then they fight you, and then you win.
7:41
SPEAKER_01: That that's the stages of of societal, you know, um whatever, policy evolution.
7:48
SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, raw milk was ignored as it's you know, it's nothing, and then there's been a massive effort to discredit it.
7:59
SPEAKER_01: Now we're in the fight stage.
8:03
SPEAKER_01: We're in the fight stage.
8:04
SPEAKER_01: They are really, really fighting this at the federal level.
8:08
SPEAKER_01: And according to Gandhi, the next stage is we win.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm I'm watching for that.
8:15
SPEAKER_01: But but it but but the win is is not easily won.
8:19
SPEAKER_01: And uh so so many of us looking at this escalating thing uh with the high pathavy influenza, then into the cows, into the raw milk, into the dead cats.
8:32
SPEAKER_01: You know, if there's one thing that people can't stand, it's dead cats.
8:36
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they can take dead kids.
8:37
SPEAKER_01: Dead kids is not a problem.
8:39
SPEAKER_01: Dead cats, big problem.
8:41
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so um, so you know, that this is you you you just kind of feel the narrative um clinching here.
8:49
SPEAKER_01: So that's interesting.
8:51
SPEAKER_01: And and and and it's interesting um in light of a couple other things that have just come out in the last couple of weeks.
8:58
SPEAKER_01: One huge one was Chick-fil-A announcing that their pledge that was, I don't know how many years ago this was made.
9:06
SPEAKER_01: I should have looked it up, but I'm gonna say probably eight years ago, they made a pledge that within 10 years they would be antibiotic-free, that they would be serving antibiotic-free chicken.
9:17
SPEAKER_01: And uh just last week they they made a public announcement.
9:22
SPEAKER_01: And and listen, bless our hearts for doing so.
9:25
SPEAKER_01: Most outfits would never do that.
9:27
SPEAKER_01: You know, Burger King about eight years ago pledged within 10 years to not have any um caged eggs, to not to use only cage-free uh chickens for their eggs.
9:40
SPEAKER_01: Well, um, I don't think they're gonna make it.
9:43
SPEAKER_01: And I don't think when they don't make it, they're gonna go back and say, well, you know, we made a promise we couldn't keep and we're and we're sorry we couldn't keep it.
9:50
SPEAKER_01: Chick-fil-A did.
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SPEAKER_01: So so I I I I salute Chick-fil-A for having the fortitude and the and the whatever the integrity to say, we made a pledge, we didn't make it, we're not gonna make it, and it ain't gonna happen.
10:06
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but you know, that was that was a pretty big deal.
10:09
SPEAKER_00: And um so their pledge was to not source chickens that that were fed antibiotics.
10:16
SPEAKER_00: That's correct.
10:16
SPEAKER_00: Right, that's what you're saying.
10:17
SPEAKER_00: And so now they're saying they're not gonna they they can't achieve that.
10:20
SPEAKER_00: That's correct.
10:21
SPEAKER_00: So they so they failed.
10:22
SPEAKER_00: So so there's so their chickens still have antibiotics, and are so are they not going to try anymore?
10:29
SPEAKER_01: They said it's just too difficult to do it, probably not, probably not, just too difficult.
10:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
10:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they they they had a there was a division of Tysons that was trying to work with Chick-fil-A on a medication-free bird uh chicken, and and because Chick-fil-A gets so much chicken from Tyson, uh, that's that was kind of their partner in this, and they just they just couldn't they just couldn't make it happen.
10:55
SPEAKER_01: Couldn't couldn't make it work.
10:57
SPEAKER_00: Is this back yeah, I was gonna say that is this back to the fact because of the way that they're raised in the capos?
11:03
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
11:04
SPEAKER_01: You can't you can't live in your toilet and be clean and be hygienic and sanitary, you know, and and these chickens, when they put 20,000 in a house and and they live, you know, in their in their toilet, they they sleep and walk and and and live their whole life right where they in their poop, and and the dust is fecal particulate that comes up into their um mucous membranes, it's you know, it's not a good it's it's like it's like in it's like inhaling poop sandpaper.
11:40
SPEAKER_00: Oh gross every day based for that stark visual.
11:48
SPEAKER_01: If you don't think inhaling poop is bad enough, combine it with sandpaper, and you get and you get what what we're what we're dealing with here.
11:56
SPEAKER_00: So do you think that it's it's just cost prohibitive?
11:59
SPEAKER_00: Like so Tyson can't like just start creating you know outdoor areas where they just are raising chickens outside, like you know what I mean?
12:08
SPEAKER_00: Is it just it costs much money and then it's passed on to the consumer and they won't buy the food?
12:12
SPEAKER_00: Like what is it?
12:13
SPEAKER_01: Oh Cena, Cena.
12:15
SPEAKER_01: Uh do I sound naive?
12:18
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, you sound naive.
12:20
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you gotta realize that these these big companies, they they think that any wild bird, any wild bird that comes into the vicinity of the chickens is going to is going to kill all the chickens.
12:35
SPEAKER_01: And so the idea of an outdoor of an outdoor situation, I mean they're they're they're using they're using um um timer uh uh noise noise cannons.
12:47
SPEAKER_01: They're they're doing everything possible to make sure that even a a starling, a blackbird, a blue bird, a robin cannot cannot come within you know a hundred yards of these big Tyson chicken houses.
13:02
SPEAKER_01: They're doing everything possible.
13:04
SPEAKER_01: And and so so the I mean they're so far removed in their paradigm from a what you know an ecologically embedded model that they can't they can't even conceive of such a thing.
13:22
SPEAKER_00: Oh goodness.
13:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so it was never on the table from the beginning.
13:25
SPEAKER_00: Because I'm thinking, how are they gonna get antibiotic-free chickens?
13:28
SPEAKER_00: They gotta get them out of the CAFO, but so they wouldn't even conceive of that idea, is what you're saying.
13:33
SPEAKER_00: They think of it as a liability.
13:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, though, that they absolutely they would think of it as a liability.
13:38
SPEAKER_01: They would say that outdoor chicken would be a higher liability than being safe, uh, where they can protect them indoors from anything coming from outdoors.
13:48
SPEAKER_01: And um, and and I mean, can you imagine?
13:52
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we certainly wouldn't would we tell would we tell kids the only place that you can actually live well is in a house with a hundred other people.
14:07
SPEAKER_01: Um, you can't go outside.
14:09
SPEAKER_01: We don't want any, we don't want any sunshine, we don't want any sun, you know.
14:14
SPEAKER_00: Um and no flushing toilets.
14:16
SPEAKER_01: And no flushing toilets.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: We're just gonna live in our excrement.
14:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
14:20
SPEAKER_00: I mean gross, it's just pork chickens, yeah, yeah.
14:24
SPEAKER_01: It's it's unbelievable.
14:25
SPEAKER_01: It's unbelievable.
14:26
SPEAKER_01: So um, so yeah, I I and what happens, Cena, is that these companies, this is what happens routinely, these companies make these these broad brush statements, you know, we're not gonna buy pork from from crated sows, we're not gonna buy eggs from caged chickens, and and you know, and if you notice, they always put the the actual date that this is gonna happen 10 years.
14:55
SPEAKER_01: It's always 10 years, it's never next year, it's never two years, it's 10 years.
15:00
SPEAKER_01: And I I was talking to somebody the other day that's actually in the industry, you know, uh, an industry player, and he said, well, the reason they make it out 10 years is not because they expect to achieve it in 10 years.
15:13
SPEAKER_01: What they're hoping is that society will forget about this, will chase a new, uh, chase a new um a new bogeyman within 10 years, and and 10 years will come and go.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: Meanwhile, because this is the this is the the bogeyman and the fad thing right now, they make their press releases and they get all this, you know, positive, whatever, you know, uh uh customer equity by making this, oh, we're wonderful, we've made this pledge, and then it, you know, it it it's there's no in intention of actually of making it happen.
15:46
SPEAKER_01: I I don't I don't think that that was that was mainly Chick-fil-A's uh plan.
15:50
SPEAKER_01: I I think they really meant well, and and I I do I do salute them for at least making a public announcement and admitting we we didn't make the goal because because most of this you know green pledge stuff, these goals are not met.
16:09
SPEAKER_01: And that and and they have these long horizons, and they're just hoping everybody will forget it.
16:13
SPEAKER_01: And they get this nice little you know one to two year bump uh as they introduce the initiative that's 10 years down the road, and um you know, and and nothing ever happens.
16:25
SPEAKER_01: Another interesting thing that happened last week was um Bill Gates making a grand announcement that he's put in, he's found 24.5 million dollars to dump into a research program to find a bovine, you're gonna love this, you know, a bovine vaccine that will keep a cow from burping and farting.
16:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
16:53
SPEAKER_01: So this is this is the new Bill Gates, this is the latest Bill Gates permutation on on uh climate change is uh is a bovine vaccine.
17:06
SPEAKER_01: But but now Cena, think about think about the the um what am I gonna say, the the strength, the inertia right now of the whole climate change initiative, you know, we're gonna be crispy critters in 50 years, all this stuff.
17:24
SPEAKER_01: And and and people people are becoming fearful.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: People are scared to death of this of this uh uh climate change stuff.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: And and and when people are scared to death, they they do they do funny things like like demanding, you know, we we've talked about the um radio frequency identification collars, the the the internet of things, the data uh uh uh uh around farming.
17:54
SPEAKER_01: And and that that the the plan is for every square inch of every piece of farmland to be linked to a an to a database, and and for it for every cow to carry a radio frequency transponder so she can be tracked, uh you know, the animal can be tracked.
18:17
SPEAKER_01: Well, it's not a far cry.
18:21
SPEAKER_01: If if things are that whatever, fearful and paranoid, it's it's not a very far reach to imagine a day when there's a mandate that every cow receive this anti-burp, anti-fart vaccine, if if one could be developed, um that that that it would be mandated and not just as it is today, right now, uh a crazy man's uh a crazy man's uh um you know trial balloon.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: Is it do you know is it an edible vaccine?
18:57
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
18:58
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's edible.
18:59
SPEAKER_01: It might it might be a it might be a shot.
19:02
SPEAKER_01: It's probably a shot.
19:03
SPEAKER_01: I mean basically all cow, all bovine vaccines right now are cows.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: The um obviously the poultry vaccines are are mixed in the feed of the water.
19:14
SPEAKER_01: Uh or or I mean medications, drugs, uh drugs for chickens are are are all water-based, where they they drink the water and it's you know it's part of the water.
19:22
SPEAKER_00: Well, that's what I was thinking, like my goodness.
19:24
SPEAKER_00: Not that I'm trying to help Bill Gates, but as you're telling this story, I'm thinking, wow, if they're trying to stop them from having these gastrointestinal naturally occurring events, it would make sense to put it in the food like they do for the chickens, right?
19:38
SPEAKER_00: Something that you they would consume every time they eat.
19:41
SPEAKER_00: Because I mean, these obviously these are not free-ranging cows, right?
19:45
SPEAKER_00: They're not grazing in the pasture, they're like in these feed lots, presumably, and they're handing them the food.
19:50
SPEAKER_01: No, but they want it for all of them.
19:52
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, for free-ranging, yeah.
19:54
SPEAKER_01: All this is this is a a across the board bovine vaccine that I would use on my cows.
20:01
SPEAKER_01: A calf a calf is born, you know.
20:03
SPEAKER_01: Immediately you go you give it a vaccine.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: Uh, yeah.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: I mean, for I thought you're talking about the from day one industrial ones.
20:10
SPEAKER_00: No, I thought you're talking about the industrial cows of these feedlots where they're trying to feed in the stuff and then they can put it in the food.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: But goodness, day one.
20:18
SPEAKER_01: Day day one.
20:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: Let's hopefully they don't uh start to mandate what you do on your own private property.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: You know, well, you gotta realize that the USDA considers my cows, and and this is throughout the the literature now.
20:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, that they consider my cows, and they use this terminology part of the national cow herd.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that the that's the language that's in that's in laws now, that's in that's in the regulatory um lexicon.
20:53
SPEAKER_01: Um my chickens are not my chickens, my chickens are part of the national flock.
21:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
21:01
SPEAKER_01: Those those phrases, those phrases really came in during um back during Mad Cow.
21:08
SPEAKER_01: Remember when uh the when the United Kingdom was having all their mad cow problems, and and uh throughout throughout the whatever, the agriculture regulatory climate in the US, suddenly, you know, um the language changed from cow herds, you know, or or farmers, farmers, cows, or or or cow her, you know, uh uh farm cow herds, it changed to the it changed to um to members of the national herd, the national flock, the national, yeah.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: Uh wow.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: So you so you will own nothing.
21:50
SPEAKER_01: So the government, yeah.
21:51
SPEAKER_01: The government's position is we don't actually own our cows, we don't actually own our chickens, they are simply a part of the you.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: You know, of the national group.
22:03
SPEAKER_00: And they're and they're now presented as they are a threat to our national security.
22:09
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
22:10
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
22:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
22:11
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
22:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:12
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
22:13
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, what else you got for us, Joel?
22:15
SPEAKER_00: You're just you're really making my day bright over here.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: So uh um Cena, we've featured the Pennsylvania Amish farmer Amos Miller on the on the show a couple of times.
22:29
SPEAKER_01: And there there has been a positive break in his case.
22:33
SPEAKER_01: Uh as we as we know, he's now his his new attorney for the last six or seven months is Robert Barnes, who um who was the attorney for um oh Rittenhouse.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: Uh what was his name?
22:49
SPEAKER_01: Uh Kyle Kyle Rittenhouse out in Wisconsin.
22:52
SPEAKER_01: Um and and um so Robert Barnes is is no slouch, and he has been able to pretty much get the federal government off of Amos Miller's back.
23:06
SPEAKER_01: The he's kind of won a a uh the federal government has decided to kind of take a back seat.
23:14
SPEAKER_01: Um the problem is he hasn't gotten any movement from Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture, the PDA.
23:21
SPEAKER_01: So now, but but at least now he's fighting the state and not the federal, which which most of us consider a bit of a win.
23:29
SPEAKER_01: Um that he was able to at least get get half of the you know half of the monkeys off his back.
23:35
SPEAKER_01: Uh that that's a that's a fairly positive thing.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: Wait, so how did they do that?
23:40
SPEAKER_00: How did they get the federal government off his back?
23:44
SPEAKER_01: I I think it's one of these things where you you negotiate uh jurisdiction and who's gonna front end, who's gonna take the front end of the case?
23:55
SPEAKER_01: And um they were able to do that.
24:01
SPEAKER_01: So does this mean PDA is gonna dig their feet in more?
24:05
SPEAKER_01: Um time will tell.
24:07
SPEAKER_01: It it appears, it appears that PDA will dig their feet in a little more uh now, but but we don't know.
24:14
SPEAKER_01: But what um the the interesting thing is that at the rogue food conference, which we just had uh a couple of weeks ago here, the rogue the rogue food conference, the next one, by the way, is going to be in Dallas, and then the next one's gonna be in Florida.
24:29
SPEAKER_01: So we've already got our fall and spring rogue food conferences um um planned.
24:37
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I thought it was at your farm every year.
24:40
SPEAKER_01: Well, it's been it's been here, it's been here three times, and um, and we're gonna we're gonna move it around.
24:49
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we we want to move it around, uh, but we seem to have been a we seem to be a a good place to have it.
24:58
SPEAKER_01: But I but I I know I know we're being at we're being asked to do it up in New England.
25:02
SPEAKER_01: You know, we did it out in Washington State, we've done it in Tennessee, we've done it in Florida.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: So we're we're we're really you know, we we want to move it around so folks can so folks can come easy.
25:11
SPEAKER_01: But one of the things that we did at this rogue food conference, we had a debate, and this was, man, this I was not expecting this.
25:20
SPEAKER_01: So we had there are uh we had two of the big players in the private membership association movement.
25:29
SPEAKER_01: So um the the private membership association, it's known as a PMA, is a um is a a tech is a legal technique to move a uh to move a transaction or an organ to move an organization into the private sphere sphere and out of the public space.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: You see where the where the bureaucrats enter a business is to protect the public.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: That's always to protect the public, protect the public.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: And so private membership associations were started many, many years ago, I mean, back in the 50s and 60s, um to protect the private ability.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: Well, so we had the two organizations that responded to our request, several did not, but the two that did were Pro Advocate and PMA Manifesto.
26:47
SPEAKER_01: Those are two different organizations, pro advocate and PMA Manifesto.
26:53
SPEAKER_01: They both offer consulting services for people who want to set up a private membership association, and um and proadvocate is the one who did Amos Miller's PMA, and so you can imagine there was a lot of uh attendee questions on to ProAdvocate, what went wrong?
27:23
SPEAKER_01: Why did the his private membership association not protect him?
27:28
SPEAKER_01: And the bottom line was that, and of course, you know, listen, I love Amos, I love what he's doing.
27:36
SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's no I'm not in any way denigrating.
27:40
SPEAKER_01: The problem with him, though, was he was not a good record keeper, and he did not have many of his patrons join the PMA.
27:54
SPEAKER_01: So here he is, he's shipping all over the nation, completely uninspected, you know, at least in the public sphere, illegal, prohibited food items, beef, chicken, pork, milk, cheese.
28:17
SPEAKER_01: And he wasn't consistent in having his patrons join the public membership association.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: If there's one thing that bean counter bureaucrats love to jump on, it is someone who's trying to, in their view, circumvent the regulatory structure and is doing it inconsistently.
28:47
SPEAKER_01: That's like a that's like a big blinking red flag, okay?
28:51
SPEAKER_01: So my encouragement and advice to everybody here right now is if if if you want to preserve, if you want to, you know, um go forward with a with a PMA, if if this interests you and you want to move forward with it, that's fine.
29:10
SPEAKER_01: Or or any other kind of you know, sovereignty individual or any of these other kinds of things, make sure you're consistent because it is the inconsistency that gives the government a chance to to come through and penetrate what's going on.
29:28
SPEAKER_01: And so um so the the the two groups, it was really fascinating.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: We had tremendous clash uh between the two the two um PMA organizations, counselors, and and the the the bottom line for me was um this is not a panacea.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: This is not a you know a cure all for all of the the things that were that you're wanting to circumvent.
30:05
SPEAKER_01: Um so and and and and and he he did he did numerous things.
30:15
SPEAKER_01: For example, the first time that the that the regulators came to visit his farm, pro advocates said they would have advised him to not let them not let them visit.
30:29
SPEAKER_01: You're you have no jurisdiction here.
30:32
SPEAKER_01: But you know, he's a nice Amishman, try to be a peacemaker, not have a war, you know.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: I mean, these guys don't even serve in the military, right?
30:40
SPEAKER_01: So sure, come on, you know, see what you want.
30:43
SPEAKER_01: And that that that opened the door and created a monster.
30:48
SPEAKER_01: And um, and and so he he he did a he did a lot of things wrong.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: And um, and so I am my bottom line is I'm not opposed to PMAs, but if you if you do it, if you do any of these kinds of kind uh um things, make sure you have it thought through to be truly consistent.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: Wait, and so quick question when you say that like not all the patrons join the PMA, so what does that mean?
31:22
SPEAKER_00: You have to if you have people wanting to buy your food, you have to get them to like sign a document or something that they're in part of the PMA?
31:29
SPEAKER_01: Yes, they have they have to join the PMA.
31:32
SPEAKER_01: So the whole thing got really funny when when uh um you know we're we're we're building a we're building a bathroom here uh to go with our lunatic learning center.
31:45
SPEAKER_01: And we'd hoped it would be ready by rogue food, but we've had some other more critical things come up.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: We haven't gotten it done.
31:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, and it looks like it's not going to be done for the two days of truth uh summit either, unfortunately.
31:57
SPEAKER_01: Uh, we thought we'd make it, but we we just we just aren't making anyway.
32:02
SPEAKER_01: We're we're not we're not permitting this toilet.
32:04
SPEAKER_01: And so I um I asked them uh, you know, um if we had a PMA, could we take the position that this is you know a a private thing and and we don't have to get this uh toilet inspected?
32:19
SPEAKER_01: And uh and it was in it was it was funny.
32:26
SPEAKER_01: In general, they they thought that if every single person who used it joined the PMA, that we could take the position, we're not public, we're private.
32:38
SPEAKER_01: In other words, somebody comes and visits the farm, has to go to the bathroom.
32:42
SPEAKER_01: Sorry, you've got to join our PMA before you can use the bathroom.
32:45
SPEAKER_00: So, so but we can just have a sign-up sheet on the outside of the door, just sign your name.
32:51
SPEAKER_00: Right.
32:52
SPEAKER_01: You're all you're already going down the path that I went.
32:55
SPEAKER_01: You know, I said we can have we could have uh we can have monogram toilet paper, you know, with the PMA uh agreement on the toilet paper and and you sign it anyway, but but I I hope that you can see how when I say consistent the this is real, okay.
33:14
SPEAKER_01: This is real.
33:15
SPEAKER_01: And and so so the consistency can become so onerous that it actually overrides the the assumed efficacy of the circumvention procedure.
33:27
SPEAKER_01: You know, sometimes the the cure can be worse than the disease.
33:29
SPEAKER_01: And and so so anyway, it was it was quite there were a lot of laughs.
33:33
SPEAKER_01: It was it ended up being a uh and of course you know, around me, almost every discussion ends up being about poop anyway.
33:40
SPEAKER_01: And so so that that's where we that's where we ended up.
33:43
SPEAKER_01: But uh, we've got just a few uh a few minutes and and uh got on a roll here with Rogue Food Cena.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: I've got to tell you a couple things because we had we had a couple big names here.
33:51
SPEAKER_01: We had uh Catherine Austin Fitz, the founder of Solari, which is probably you know the the most um advanced um uh policy uh alternative policy think tank uh in the world, perhaps.
34:12
SPEAKER_01: And um, and and and she did a talk on why I'm an optimist.
34:18
SPEAKER_01: And it was just wonderful why I'm an optimist.
34:20
SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna give you a couple of, you know, she was assistant secretary of housing under whatever uh George George Herbert Walker, uh uh Grandpa Grandpa Bush.
34:30
SPEAKER_01: And um and and so uh so here's here's why here's why she said she's still an op she's an optimist.
34:39
SPEAKER_01: Uh first of all, um it's becoming easier to um have a different kind of money.
34:50
SPEAKER_01: Uh she thinks there's gonna be some some changes in money that are gonna be positive.
34:55
SPEAKER_01: Um number two, there's no economic reason for poverty.
35:00
SPEAKER_01: We have uh our the only reason we have poverty is because we have an epidemic of central control.
35:07
SPEAKER_01: Uh that was a that was a fascinating thought.
35:10
SPEAKER_01: Um there's um uh next one was there's more understanding about the world and the unit and the universe.
35:21
SPEAKER_01: Um you know, just just that that that is that it's impossible to control.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: The universe is just too big to control.
35:29
SPEAKER_01: Um a handful of people will never control.
35:32
SPEAKER_01: And so our listeners who are who are steeped in the Illuminati, the trilateral commission, and the the Rothschilds and all that stuff, uh, she said she said uh that that as we learn more about the spontaneous universe that we're realizing more and more it just it it's it's too dynamic, it's too big.
35:53
SPEAKER_01: It's no no handful of people can control it.
35:55
SPEAKER_01: So that's optimistic.
35:57
SPEAKER_01: Uh number number three was um you you don't need a lot of people to make big changes.
36:06
SPEAKER_01: Only if you just have a few dedicated people, you can turn things around fast.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: Uh, of course, she cited the the biblical example of Gideon.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you don't need a lot of people to turn a system around.
36:20
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you just need a few really loyal people.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: And her question then was where is the group of people who will not be sabotaged?
36:30
SPEAKER_01: Where is the group of people who will not be sabotaged?
36:33
SPEAKER_01: Don't worry about the majority.
36:35
SPEAKER_01: Uh we said we are the gathering of the sane.
36:39
SPEAKER_01: We are the gathering of the sane.
36:40
SPEAKER_01: That was that was pretty good.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: Though those were those were all uh interesting things.
36:45
SPEAKER_01: And then uh Congressman Thomas Massey, of course, uh he he's our he's our hero, you know.
36:50
SPEAKER_01: He he spoke and he had an interesting tidbit.
36:53
SPEAKER_01: Did you know, Cena, that the uh Olympic Committee tells Olympians when they travel, do not eat meat from Mexico or China because it's so full of steroids, they'll test positive for steroids and get um and get kicked out of the games.
37:16
SPEAKER_00: I did not know that.
37:18
SPEAKER_00: That's alarming.
37:19
SPEAKER_00: Why aren't they telling us that?
37:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I know.
37:22
SPEAKER_01: Isn't that something?
37:24
SPEAKER_01: So that that was that was really interesting.
37:31
SPEAKER_01: And and and what's inter and and if you add that up, Cena, with um, so we had a we had a lady who is very, very high up in the horse, uh horse racing world here.
37:46
SPEAKER_01: Uh she's in the UK and Australia, and um, and and she was here in the U.S.
37:52
SPEAKER_01: looking at at horse racing.
37:54
SPEAKER_01: She's she's very high up in that horse racing world.
37:56
SPEAKER_01: And so I couldn't help but ask her about uh about Bob Befford, the Bob Baffert, the horse trainer in the Kentucky Derby, who's been uh banned from the Kentucky Derby for whatever it is, four years for uh a horse testing positive for drugs.
38:10
SPEAKER_01: She said she said that the tests, the drug tests, are so um are so whatever efficient now that she said if if somebody if somebody walks into the horse barn with a that that used uh that that that showered in the morning using a shampoo with a steroid in it, the horse can test positive for drugs by inhaling the fumes from your shampooed hair when you walked into the horse barn.
38:54
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
38:56
SPEAKER_01: And so her her position, of course, Bob Baffert denied that he was using anything.
39:01
SPEAKER_01: Her position was he was absolutely innocent, and somebody used something somewhere and it and it it wafted, it it got, you know, or maybe they rubbed on the horse, maybe they maybe they had a a liniment on their, you know, some something on you know, a wound on their hand and they and accidentally brushed it against the horse.
39:20
SPEAKER_01: I mean, ain't everything.
39:21
SPEAKER_01: But I I was just I was just what what's the word um gob struck when she started explaining to me how how tiny um uh particles of this stuff our high-tech testing is able to pick up?
39:38
SPEAKER_01: It's it's it was just it blew my mind.
39:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, that's that's interesting, but my thought immediately went to okay, so what are all the other things in these shampoos, for instance, or perfumes that people lather all over themselves, or the lotions that smell like uh they have synthetic additives.
39:58
SPEAKER_00: What are all those other toxins that we're actually inhaling?
40:02
SPEAKER_00: Like we've done a show on um, you know, my do-it-yourself uh product line with the recipes, but that was talking about stuff you put on your own body.
40:12
SPEAKER_00: You bring a good point.
40:13
SPEAKER_00: We're walking around inhaling all of these aeroslice chemicals for other people.
40:18
SPEAKER_00: It's like it's like the Bible says, be careful, you know, who you associate with.
40:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
40:24
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
40:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:26
SPEAKER_01: So um, so that that that was just that whole thing about don't eat any Mexican or Chinese meat, um, and and and and realize and realize that a lot of the meat in the US is being shipped to China for processing and then being re reimported here.
40:45
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, who knows what's going on with all that stuff.
40:48
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, and that could still be uh there's there's caveats to that too, right?
40:53
SPEAKER_00: That meat can still be labeled as you know, from as US meat.
40:58
SPEAKER_00: So it's hard to track that down.
41:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:04
SPEAKER_01: Here, here's another one from a from a guy who's such a maverick in Congress.
41:08
SPEAKER_01: You know, Massey, remember, Massey is the congressman that whenever you see a vote that's 434 to one, he's the one.
41:17
SPEAKER_01: And uh he he had an interesting little saying.
41:20
SPEAKER_01: People people were asking him, you know, how do you how do you get by?
41:24
SPEAKER_01: He said, Well, if you can't be nice, at least be vague.
41:31
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, let's see.
41:34
SPEAKER_01: Uh he he's put in, so this actually, I think it was last week.
41:41
SPEAKER_01: Last week he is now officially put into the federal register, so it's there now.
41:45
SPEAKER_01: His constitutional amendment, and the amendment is this uh I'm I've got it here posted, so I'm gonna read it from it.
41:54
SPEAKER_01: The right of the people to grow food and to purchase food from the source of their choice shall not be infringed, and Congress shall make no law regulating the production and distribution of food products which do not move across state lines.
42:18
SPEAKER_01: He has now put that in as a as a uh a constitutional amendment, and um, and so we can start, you know, we can start um dealing with that.
42:30
SPEAKER_01: Um he talked about transgenic, transgenic medical vegetables.
42:35
SPEAKER_01: That's a that's about it.
42:37
SPEAKER_01: Um from I mean, I'm just hitting some some uh highlights.
42:40
SPEAKER_01: The whole rogue food conference was just, I mean, it's just like if you've never been to one, it's like it's like one day of drinking out of a Liberty fire hose for the day.
42:50
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's just you know, it's so because we get you know, we we get so uh we get so inundated, don't we, with with the government has the solution to this.
43:02
SPEAKER_01: We we you know um you you can't do this, you can't do that.
43:05
SPEAKER_01: You got to get a license to pee almost, you know, and and to to to come together with like-minded people who are willing to take personal responsibility.
43:15
SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much, and um and kind of you know chart their own course is is truly truly wonderful.
43:23
SPEAKER_01: So that's the report from Rogue Food, the latest uh goings-on shenanigans in the in the uh food world, Chick-fil-A, and Bill Gates.
43:33
SPEAKER_01: And um, there you have it, Cena.
43:35
SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Joel.
43:36
SPEAKER_00: And now I'm starting to get concerned that they're gonna create a vaccine to stop us from burping and farting.
43:43
SPEAKER_00: Or next, they came for the cows and we did nothing, right?
43:48
SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
43:49
SPEAKER_01: Right, and they came finally came for me, and there was no one else to stand up.
43:53
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
43:54
SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you, we we the the uh we have seen we have seen the future, I think.
44:01
SPEAKER_01: I think we've seen the future that may or may not be, but it's the future that a lot of people envision, and that is the future of censorship.
44:13
SPEAKER_01: This this whole censorship culture is um that's why we do what we do, is because we need everybody informed as these things develop, because otherwise, you know, they're they're gonna they're gonna happen.
44:32
SPEAKER_01: They're gonna happen, and suddenly we're gonna wake up one morning and um we're gonna realize we've been, you know, we've been had, and it all happened while we were waiting.
44:46
SPEAKER_01: So I just want to thank all of our listeners and subscribers for to you know to appreciate your investing your time and attention on these topics because we're talking about the future our children are inheriting, and uh, and it's a you know, it's uh it's a crazy trajectory.
45:07
SPEAKER_00: It is.
45:08
SPEAKER_00: And I want to end on a positive note, like piggybacking off of what Catherine said.
45:13
SPEAKER_00: So our I'm gonna propose that our community question for this week, right?
45:18
SPEAKER_00: Our communities discussion question is like Catherine, what are you optimistic about?
45:25
SPEAKER_00: Right?
45:26
SPEAKER_00: Let's be aware, let's be educated, but let's be positive.
45:30
SPEAKER_00: So let's share some good news.
45:31
SPEAKER_00: Let us know what you are optimistic about.
45:33
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45:38
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45:46
SPEAKER_00: We'd love to read them and we'd love to share them.
45:48
SPEAKER_00: Thank you all for joining us.
45:49
SPEAKER_00: And thank you, Joel, once again for enlightening us, giving us education with a little bit of humor.
45:55
SPEAKER_00: We'll see you next week.