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164: How Dr. Stephen Hussey Tapped into the Wisdom of Nature to Overcome a Life-Altering Heart Attack · The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke

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  If you think about what health is, to me, it's the
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  ability to adapt to your environment. If you can adapt, like
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  to any certain signal or stimulus or whatever in your life
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  supplements and if they're on the allopathic side, then it's mostly focused on
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  prescription and they may not even look at the diet and exercise
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  break down what that education looks like,
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  how it impacts the way that your practitioners are looking at
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  health, the benefits of it, the rigor of having a 4,
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  6 year degree and also what's missing, the
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  reductionist way that traditional
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  what it doesn't cover, how we can shift the conversation, how we can
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  shift institutions if we can, and what we
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  really need to be looking at when we look at health today. And it's
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  not just diet and exercise, of course, it's. It is how our biology is
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  interacting with our environment as a whole. So Dr.
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  Hussey has some great insights on that. As somebody who
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  followed very closely all of the
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  standard advice on how to be exceptionally healthy and ended up
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  having a heart attack in his early 30s. So that put him on a
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  totally different course. And he has now gone deep, deep, deep into
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  quantum biology and biophysics and, and has a
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  very in depth understanding of
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  heart health and health in general from this new
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  paradigm, which he has come to
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  understand by doing his own research, by taking extra certifications
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  and he is now a faculty member at the Institute of Applied Quantum
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  Biology. He's written three books and he's an
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  independent practitioner that is really, I think, at the forefront of doing what,
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  what needs to be done, which is shifting the
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  paradigm from the ground up, you know,
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  which is what all of you are doing. Whether you are a practitioner or a
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  health coach or a client of one of those people, just by
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  exploring, researching, applying new ways of thinking
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  about biology, you are in fact making
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  the change happen. It doesn't have to. We don't have to wait for
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  the CDC or the NIH to put out a, a bulletin. But
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  a lot of those lately, we could just do it, which is really
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  what's so fun about being in the world. So enjoy this. It's
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  synced up. It's super fun stuff. It's a super fun world,
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  you guys. There's so much cool stuff happening and I so appreciate you being
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  here and contributing to it and supporting it and you
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  are amazing. Have fun with this convo. Stephen
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  Hussey welcome back to the Quantum Biology Collective podcast. I
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  think this is this three or Four times, I forget. But it's
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  always super fun. I love it.
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  Okay, so I'm going to jump right in. If people want like a
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  deep dive into Steven's story. I have, as I just said, at least two other,
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  maybe three other interviews in the archives. You can go to QBCPOD and put in
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  Hussy H U S S E Y and it'll, they'll all come up. I don't
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  remember the episodes offhand, so I, I wanna jump right in
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  because today we're gonna talk about the field of chiropractic.
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  What's missing, what used to be there
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  that's not there anymore, your thoughts on the whole thing. So we'll start
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  off. You were a successful chiropractor.
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  You'd been in practice for nine years. You were really good at what you did,
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  you were early 30s and
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  as one does, you had a full on heart attack
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  and the trajectory changed from there. So let's start with that.
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  Yeah, well, just you saying the trajectory changed from there, that's, that's
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  interesting because it's this thing that obviously most people would consider
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  this bad thing, right? That happened to me, but it has kind of
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  turned into one of the best things that's ever happened to me because of
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  where it took me, where I went to try and figure out why it happened
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  and the things that I found. And now it's what I'm known for.
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  And now I'm coaching people through their heart
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  disease or to heart health. That's what I do for a living now. I don't
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  even practice chiropractic anymore. I stopped doing that six months ago because this is
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  what I do full time. So yeah, definitely changed trajectory for me.
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  And in a way it, it's, what I'm doing now is more
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  rewarding to me than chiropractic ever was. And we'll probably get
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  into that and I'll get into that more as we get into it. But
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  yeah, so obviously it changes trajectory for me because at that
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  moment in time, obviously I missed something, right? Something happened because
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  I had always been interested in health my entire adult life, ever since college when
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  I figured out that I could live my life in a certain way and have
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  a direct impact on my health, which no doctor ever really told me. I was
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  like, okay, I can take back control and take the reins on this. And so
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  I'd always kind of eaten well, as whole foods as I could, tried various
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  diets. You know, I did paleo, did vegan, did low carb, did
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  all these things and found what Worked for me. Exercise. I was always
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  athletic and played a lot of sports, so that was just kind of part of
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  who I was. But it always kept me active, just wanting to play sports. So.
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  And people think that that's what it takes to create health, right? You eat right
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  and you exercise. That's what we're kind of been told forever. And
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  formal education was no different. It was the same kind of messages
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  there is that, that you eat right and exercise. That's what. Like in
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  undergrad, I learned my major was health and wellness promotion.
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  And in that, if I wanted to go to chiropractic school, I had to take
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  all these other science classes too, the biologies, the chemistries, all that stuff.
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  But yeah, in health and wellness promotion, I remember, I mean, I had basic classes.
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  It was basically everything had to do with movement and food, right?
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  And that was it. There was no other talk of any other aspect of health
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  really. Like, to get a bachelor's degree in health and wellness promotion, you
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  learned about exercise and you learned about food and, you know, that's great.
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  Those are important parts of living healthy, right? But they're
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  definitely not the full story. It's very incomplete. And so,
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  yeah, even then in chiropractic school, you know, I stayed active and
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  ate well as I could. And in chiropractic school was when I was vegan for
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  two years, which ended up not working well for me in the end
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  for various reasons. But I, I mean, I. I'm thinking back
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  to like, what that education was like. And it was
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  so, first of all, like, just so people have this context, because we're going to
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  talk a lot about chiropractic today. There's. I didn't know this,
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  going to chiropractic school, like I, I went to. My parents took me to a
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  chiropractor at a very young age. And they said that it helped me with my
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  asthma. I have no memory of that, of it helping, but they said that it
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  helped me with that I was able to get rid of asthma later in life
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  by doing other lifestyle things. But then I didn't go to a
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  chiropractor again. And probably until college I started to go into one again
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  and had no concept of this philosophy of
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  chiropractic, the different, like the divide in chiropractic
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  or anything like that. So when I'm applying to schools, no idea that there's
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  different philosophies and different things in schools. We all have the same board exams.
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  We have to pass the same board exams regardless of school you go to. But
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  there's really had no idea that like the school that I ended up going
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  to, which was University of Western States considers themselves one of the
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  most evidence based schools. They're teaching based off the literature, which
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  I appreciate that they taught me how to critique literature and read literature
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  and ways like that. It helped get me a lot of places when I was
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  reading literature about cardiovascular disease. But yeah, there's like that side of the spectrum
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  and there's some schools on that side and on the other side there's the very
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  philosophy based schools which are very much like treat
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  the spinal cord, treat the spine and the nervous system and everything will
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  work better. And there's kind of two different things. Whereas this side is very do
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  what the research says, like treat pain and treat conditions based on what the
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  research says is effective. And so it's very interesting. Whereas
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  two different. And then there's a bunch of schools in the middle where there are
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  varying degrees of either side of those extremes. So yeah, it was very
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  interesting to have no concept of that going in. And then even
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  then like at my school they
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  were very big on, they wanted them to make us as close to primary care
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  physicians as we could. So what that means is basically any
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  someone could come in with literally anything and doesn't mean that I can treat that
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  thing, but I can diagnose it or at least recognize it and refer them out
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  to who they need to go to. So my school was very proud of treating
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  us to be primary care physicians. And I noticed was a
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  chiropractic school. But they, yes, really
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  seemed to have modeled themselves as a medical school. Yeah.
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  And a lot of people would say that people who want to practice
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  chiropractors, they're calling them medi practors is what they're calling them because it's very
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  much that way. And again, there's no problem with that. I'm not complaining
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  about it. It's just the way that school's philosophy was, was to be
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  very familiar with the research. What does chiropractic actually treat as far as these
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  diagnosable conditions? Right. Whereas a
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  very medical philosophy it's we have to find a diagnosis in order
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  to treat something. Whereas if not very non medical philosophy
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  would be like regardless of what the symptoms are because sometimes the collection of
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  symptoms does not match up with your diagnosis or a diagnosis that
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  you're trying to get it to fit. Right. It doesn't match up. You still know
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  what to do. Right. Because you recognize the same imbalances in the body
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  that literally cause all. When a body is telling you something is wrong, you
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  recognize the imbalances that are causing that, and you can fix
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  those, and the body figures it out. Right. Rather than saying,
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  I need to know exactly what's going on, have a diagnosis before I can do
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  anything. So it just to. And I didn't get exposure to that more
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  philosophical side of things until later because I got this
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  education that told me that this is the way to do things, and that's fine.
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  But I've never really. I've never been a person that's
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  more like, hoorah. Get involved in this thing because I
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  like it and I want to be involved in this. And it's kind of a
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  belief. It's whatever. It's all always skeptical to me. Like, I've never been a very
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  big proponent of, like, I believe in
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  chiropractic. Right. I think that it's great. Right. But I've never been that way.
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  I've never been like, yeah, I believe in. This is the best thing to do.
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  I love all chiropractic. It's all great. I've never been that kind of person.
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  It doesn't mean that I don't like chiropractic. It just means that I'm not. I
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  guess I'm not tribal, I would say. I was gonna say it's. It sounds like
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  you're just not an all or nothing thinker. Yeah. Which is
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  incredibly helpful because I do see that a lot, Whether it's on the
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  professional side or even just the other side. Even with light, people are like, I'm
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  gonna watch the sunrise every morning. And then that's it. I never have to do
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  anything else again. All my problems are fixed. It's like, okay, that's not what we
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  said. Yeah, right, exactly. So. So I. I came into things
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  with that kind of mentality. Just kind of like, whatever. I'm just learning stuff, having
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  no idea. But then later, having worked with lots of different
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  chiropractors who went to different schools, I'm starting to
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  see, oh, there's a whole different way of doing this or practicing this.
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  And then I learned that there's this huge divide in the profession, which is why
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  chiropractic, or one of the reasons why chiropractic seems to not
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  be able to get anywhere as far as, like, politically or
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  legislatively. Because when state or federal
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  governments are getting legislation from chiropractic as far as what we can do, what we
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  can't do, they're getting two pieces of legislation, one from the ICA and one from
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  the ACA who have different philosophies and the legislators are like, well, what do
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  you chiropractors want? We don't know what you want, so therefore we're not going to
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  do anything. And that's kind of a big issue. One of them is the more
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  medically evidence based. Everything we do comes from the literature. And
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  the other one being the more philosophical base like
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  treat the, treat the person and see what happens. Yeah, it seems
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  to be that's the divide. Now, you couldn't go to a chiropractor though, any
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  chiropractor, and be like, so which one are you? Because it's all across the
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  board. That's why you really have to go to a practitioner and see if they
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  fit with you and see if you like what they do and how they explain
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  it and everything. Because there's chiropractors that are full
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  blown functional medicine and they're just taking blood work and recommending supplements and that's all
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  they do. They don't even do chiropractic. And then there's chiropractors who just adjust the
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  spine and that's pretty much all they do. Then there's chiropractors who do
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  all kinds of muscle work or physical therapy or whatever.
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  Like there's all kinds of things. And it varies depending on the state of what
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  chiropractors can do. In some states, chiropractors can take
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  blood work and interpret that, and other. And others they can't. You know, so
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  it's crazy. Like in, in Oregon, where I went to school in
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  Portland, chiropractors are technically, at least last time I checked,
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  they're still allowed to deliver babies, do
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  proctology exams and gynecological exams. If you do
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  extra training, you can't do that coming out of school. But under your license,
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  if you do extra training and you get certified in those things, you can do
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  them in that state, whereas most other states you cannot do those things
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  whatsoever. There's even, even minor surgery. Chiropractors can do
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  that. And so going to school in Oregon, I had to learn all those
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  things because in the state that I went to school, that was under my
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  license. So I had to learn them. And to get my state license, I had
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  to test on those. Whereas in lots of other states you don't have to
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  get your license. So just very interesting. It's very different. This
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  is actually very helpful because I always think that you're a doctor and then I'm
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  like, oh no. And then I go check. I'm like, oh no, he's A chiropractor.
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  But the way you talk about things, which is how I know he was talking
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  to you, I'm like, you sound and speak like a doctor. Okay, so
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  now I'm seeing why. Got it. It's interesting. It's interesting that you say that and
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  you notice that because I wouldn't know that. It's just my experience that I'm
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  speaking from. So going through that. Like, I remember, like in
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  chiropractic school, everybody thinks that. I mean, first of all, the first
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  two years of chiropractic school are just like medical school,
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  like a traditional medical school. And the reason I know that is because in
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  Portland, where I went to school, they had the four big kind
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  of medical discipline schools were in Portland. They had the ohsu, which is the
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  medical school, and dental school. They had University of Western States, the
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  chiropractic school, the National College of Natural Medicine, which is naturopathic school, and then
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  Oriental College of Medicine. So they're all there. So they had this group called
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  same. I forget what it standed for, but it was basically students something, something. So
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  we all got together to talk. People who wanted to come got together. So I
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  got to know people. Yeah, I was also dating somebody in
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  the naturopathic program, or I did for a little while. So I got to know
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  people in the naturopathic program. And then a friend of mine in chiropractic school,
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  her boyfriend, who's now her husband, was in. At medical school.
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  And then a friend of mine in chiropractic school, his best friend from college was
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  in the dental program. So we all kind of got together and. And got to
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  know each other and compared our curriculums. And the first two years was
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  exactly the same. Like we're learning all the basic science, all the
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  physiology, all the anatomy, all the pathology.
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  Everything was exactly the same. We were taking all the same courses. And then after
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  that it differed. Right after that, we started adjusting a lot more,
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  looking at very neuromusculoskeletal type conditions. The medical school
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  went pretty deep into pharma. The Natural College of Natural
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  Medicine did. The naturopaths did lots of herbalism and
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  lots of other therapies. They did all kinds of things. So it was very interesting
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  to see things change as we were going through our education.
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  But the reason I say that is because people don't are
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  unfamiliar with the types of education. Right. And so.
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  But then when we got. When I got into later quarters and I'm learning things
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  like nutrition, that was. I had two or three nutrition classes in chiropractic school.
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  People think that, oh, yeah, chiropractors learned all these alternative ways to do
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  things. And technically that's true. But when I think back on my
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  nutrition courses, absolutely terrible. Based on what I know
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  now, just terrible. No offense to the professor or the school or
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  the curriculum or whatever, but it was basically just like nutrition
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  meant to them, supplements. That's what I was learning. I was learning,
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  okay, we have this evidence for this supplement to do this. You can do that.
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  And then, like, when I was going through clinic, like a student Internet, I had
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  to get certain nutrition credits, so I had to recommend nutrition to someone. That meant
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  recommending a supplement to them. That was my nutrition credit. Yeah. So it's like
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  a prescription model, but with supplements instead of
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  drugs. Yeah. And unfortunately, so. So I.
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  I guess I've always been curious or like, I was going through chiropractic school and
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  got this education and felt like that's not what I wanted
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  to learn. It wasn't what I. Everything I thought, there has to be something more.
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  Right. It can't just be you adjust the spine and give supplements. I can't. That
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  can't be right. And it can't just be. Doesn't make sense to me to kind
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  of think of it as a. As a trying to diagnose somebody with something.
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  Right. Because there's chiropractors that just do sports medicine, and all
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  they do is treat athletic injuries and things like that. And so
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  after chiropractic school, I was like, there has to be more. So then my school
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  had just launched this human nutrition and functional medicine master's program.
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  So I was like, okay, I'll go do that. Because it was like, partly. It
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  was like half online, half in school. So I did the in classroom
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  part, and then I went to Ireland while I finished the rest of it. Because
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  I went to Ireland after chiropractic school, and that didn't tell
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  me what I thought I wanted to know. I. It just didn't. It was just
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  unsatisfying to me. I mean, we. I learned a lot of things. It was good.
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  Like, we talked a lot more about actual nutrition in that program. We
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  talked about things like oxidative stress and genetics, but there was a lot more
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  supplements. Right. And actually, to his credit, the guy
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  who started that program, his name was Alex Vasquez, and he started the
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  whole program. He built the whole program. And then the school wanted to sell out
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  the standard process, which Standard Process is a good supplement company if you're into
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  supplements. Right. They wanted to take a bunch of money from Standard Process in order
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  for them to recommend only Standard Process products in the program.
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  And he was like, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to
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  sell out. So he left. And I was like, good on him. That's
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  awesome. You know, so. So he left. But so anyways,
• 20:10
  that's kind of my formal education. It was that kind of
• 20:14
  story. But even after the functional medicine program, it was like, I'm unsatisfied. I
• 20:17
  don't know what causes disease. Nothing told me what caused this disease, and that's
• 20:21
  what I was looking for. So you had like this intuitive sense that the
• 20:25
  picture was incomplete. Yeah. And then you had
• 20:29
  a health event that kind of proved the picture was
• 20:32
  incomplete. Because if all of that had been sufficient,
• 20:36
  why would you be having a heart attack at 30 years old? Right. Or
• 20:40
  so even then, like as a chiropractor, you know, I learned
• 20:44
  about neuromusculoskeletal disorders and about the nervous system and things
• 20:48
  like that. But the way that I see
• 20:52
  that stuff now is totally different than what I think the traditional chiropractor would think,
• 20:56
  whether they're more medical based or more philosophical based. But yeah, it was
• 21:00
  clearly something that I missed because even then I was eating well and exercising and
• 21:04
  all that stuff. And I did that for after chiropractic school for nine
• 21:07
  years. And then, yeah, had this cardiac event
• 21:11
  seemingly out of the blue. All my testing looked great. There was nothing that told
• 21:15
  people this was going to happen, and it still happened. So
• 21:18
  that got me more curious and looking into more things
• 21:22
  to try and figure out what that was. But it also got me really focused
• 21:26
  on heart disease. I mean, I was already somewhat focused on heart disease because I'm
• 21:29
  type one diabetic. And so that heavily predisposed me to heart disease
• 21:32
  technically. So I've always kind of thought about that. But
• 21:36
  this got me really thinking about it, obviously figuring out why this
• 21:40
  happened and. And that led me down this path of where I am
• 21:43
  now. So, yeah, knowing what you know now, when
• 21:47
  you look back at that curriculum, which I think by
• 21:51
  general standards was actually pretty good, it. I've
• 21:55
  heard, you know, it could have been a lot worse. What was missing? When you
• 21:58
  look at the especially western states and trying
• 22:02
  to be more of a medical side of things, like that education
• 22:06
  was the standard. Like if you go to any medical school anywhere,
• 22:10
  like OHSU in Oregon, like, you're going to get that same education. It's just going
• 22:13
  to vary a little bit after when we go to treatments, like based on what
• 22:16
  you can treat. So, yes, it was very good. And it's standardized across
• 22:20
  all chiropractic schools, so we all have to pass the same boards and get the
• 22:23
  same credits for things. So. So, yeah, so that was the case.
• 22:27
  Very, very high level of education. What was it missing?
• 22:31
  Why did I. Why could I not prevent this? Right. Those are answers that I've
• 22:34
  had to come to through my own research. I always credit my
• 22:38
  dad for this and giving me this curiosity because he's always, like, when
• 22:42
  we were growing up, he'd ask us just random questions, and we. Even if we
• 22:45
  knew the answer, he'd be like, but why? You know? And so we're just always
• 22:48
  having to tell him why about stuff. Or even, like, science
• 22:52
  projects in elementary school. Like, we do the product, this is what we got. And
• 22:55
  he's like, yeah, but why? And we have to think about that. So it gave
• 22:59
  me this curiosity. Fortunately, I have hardly been reading a lot about health in
• 23:02
  general. And it wasn't until after the heart attack that I really
• 23:06
  started getting into light because I was aware of
• 23:10
  circadian rhythm and I was aware of sunlight being healthy and things
• 23:14
  like that. But the whole reason this started for me, which
• 23:17
  I don't often say on podcasts, was that I didn't. I didn't
• 23:21
  know what I was doing right after the heart attack. And I've had this success,
• 23:24
  and I've been able to figure out why I was successful and all this stuff.
• 23:26
  And that's great. But in the first, I didn't know what I was doing. They
• 23:28
  just scared me into thinking I was going to develop heart failure because I just
• 23:32
  had a heart attack. Which is the biggest. A big issue after you get damaged
• 23:35
  to tissue in your heart is you could develop heart failure. And the only thing
• 23:38
  I knew at that time was I was well aware of the research that showed
• 23:41
  that infrared sauna was phenomenal for heart failure. And I was
• 23:44
  like, infrared light, this is it. So I got a sauna and started
• 23:48
  doing that and then just started researching more and more and more. So that's where.
• 23:52
  That's how I got onto light was just that little bit of information
• 23:56
  right there, and then applying it to all these different things, like, well, that makes
• 23:59
  sense because the sun is always infrared light. Anytime it's up, there's an
• 24:02
  infrared light. And so I just started making sense of all these things
• 24:07
  and then recognize, like, based on your question, is what was
• 24:10
  missing? Is that right there. What's missing is that we're
• 24:14
  looking at human physiology
• 24:18
  and biology from a
• 24:21
  biochemical perspective, from a structural and a
• 24:25
  biochemical perspective. So even then, I think about it
• 24:29
  like as I wrote this book on chronic pain. It's been out a couple
• 24:32
  years now, and I'm thinking about that too. People think of pain as this very
• 24:36
  physical thing. I think about a physical therapist or a chiropractor. We're
• 24:40
  thinking that we have to treat this tissue physically to get it to stop
• 24:43
  expressing pain. And that's not the case
• 24:47
  necessarily. I mean, a physical ailment can be one contributor
• 24:51
  to why someone would have a change in a tissue that would cause the brain
• 24:53
  to express a pain signal. But it's.
• 24:57
  It's much more than that. There's more than just this physical aspect of something
• 25:01
  or the biochemical changes that happen due to the physical aspects of it.
• 25:05
  And so as I'm starting to learn all that stuff, I'm like, where was that
• 25:08
  in my education whatsoever, all we're learning about? I mean,
• 25:12
  I had to take organic chemistry and then biochemistry and all
• 25:16
  these courses in college and in chiropractic school, because it was all based on
• 25:19
  that. It was just little letters that interact with each other and make different things.
• 25:24
  And it was very linear and it was very one step after the other.
• 25:27
  And even your labs, it was just trained you that that's the way physiology works,
• 25:32
  is that you just one reaction after the next. It's these biochemical
• 25:35
  interactions. That's what drives everything. Even like nutrition and even
• 25:39
  supplements in pharmaceuticals, they're all based off of, how can we
• 25:43
  change the biochemistry? Right? We're looking at nutrition.
• 25:47
  We're reducing it down to the nutrients in the food or in the supplement
• 25:51
  or whatever that have the biochemical reaction to change this. And so
• 25:54
  that's where I think you just trained that. That's the way that it is, right?
• 25:57
  And then from a physical perspective, all you're doing is you're looking from the outside
• 26:01
  like, I got a shoulder problem. Okay, there's something wrong in the
• 26:04
  shoulder. You're not really connecting that and chiropractic. There's a little bit
• 26:08
  more of this where you're connecting it to the nervous system and how it's signaling
• 26:11
  to the shoulder and things like that. But I've come across other
• 26:15
  techniques and philosophies of things that make way more sense from a physical perspective
• 26:19
  and how it is about the nervous system. But I think about
• 26:23
  it way differently than how chiropractic thinks about the nervous system. So there was just
• 26:27
  all this stuff missing. And to some extent it's
• 26:30
  understandable that it's Missing because if you're going to bring people
• 26:34
  in and give them education for four years,
• 26:38
  like you've got to make it this and you got to give them that, that's
• 26:41
  what you're paying for. Right. If you try to teach somebody all the things that
• 26:45
  I've learned since then in a four year program, that's impossible. You're not going to
• 26:48
  do that or be able to very successfully. You're not. It's definitely
• 26:52
  hard to standardize it too. Which, that's the thing is you have to standardize. Yeah,
• 26:56
  I know. Yeah, you would know that, wouldn't you?
• 26:59
  Yeah, yeah, you would know that. There's a lot of moving parts. So it's, it's
• 27:03
  like that's what's, what's missing is philosophy of health. Because
• 27:07
  if you think about what health is, to me
• 27:10
  it's the ability to adapt to your environment. If you can adapt
• 27:14
  like to any certain signal or stimulus or whatever in your life
• 27:18
  and your body can have a reaction to it and then return to homeostasis. That's
• 27:21
  healthy, right? So if we think about it from that perspective,
• 27:26
  we can't just think about the biochemical interactions
• 27:29
  or the physical things that happen to us. We have to think about every
• 27:33
  single environmental stimuli that our bodies come into contact with day in and
• 27:37
  day out. And now you're thinking, oh well, that
• 27:41
  could be light, it could be sound, it could be
• 27:44
  relationships, it could be toxins, it could be movement, it could be food,
• 27:48
  it could be whatever, emf, it could be all these things. All
• 27:51
  these things are just signals to our body that are telling it to do one
• 27:55
  thing or the other, which is a very important concept. Especially when I talk about
• 27:58
  how I do chiropractic now. It'll come back, but
• 28:02
  we have to look at all of it. And most educations,
• 28:06
  medical, chiropractic, maybe even naturopathic, they may be a bit more
• 28:10
  broad, but are looking at it from very, very
• 28:13
  biochemical perspective and physical tissue perspective,
• 28:17
  because that's how you can standardize something. That's how you can make it an education
• 28:20
  and make it four years, make it reasonable, that kind of thing. But it's missing
• 28:24
  and it's, it's so incomplete that any sort of
• 28:27
  formal education on some sort of professional healthcare
• 28:31
  practice is incomplete. And it's why coming out of
• 28:35
  school today, I think students are just incredibly
• 28:38
  ill equipped to handle what we're seeing because
• 28:42
  their education's been so reductionist into what is
• 28:46
  contributing to all this disease. And reductionist is the right word because it's not
• 28:49
  that it's incorrect, it's just like
• 28:53
  one layer. But if everything is reduced to
• 28:57
  that one layer, then any part of health or symptom
• 29:01
  or condition or experience that a person is having that is
• 29:05
  coming from the other layers is not going to be addressed. And I'm
• 29:08
  critical of functional medicine because I have a master's degree in it, but I'm
• 29:12
  critical because I've had clients and people over the years, patients as
• 29:16
  a chiropractor, that come to me and say, yeah, I'm professional medicine practitioner and
• 29:20
  I'm taking 15 supplements a day. And there's a few issues
• 29:23
  with that. One is that that's incredibly expensive for someone to do. But
• 29:27
  two is that it's the same philosophy as Western
• 29:31
  medicine. You take blood work and you treat the blood work with supplements rather
• 29:34
  than treat the blood work with medications. It's not health. You're not going to create
• 29:38
  health by that. And the reason I know that is because, and you know,
• 29:41
  functional medicine does address environment, they do address lifestyle, and so I'll give them
• 29:45
  that. But if you think that 15 supplements is more important than
• 29:49
  the environment, then you're not doing a service to somebody, right? Because
• 29:52
  you could take all the supplements in the world. You could take a medication, you
• 29:56
  could go to a clinic and have a treatment, right? But if you come back
• 29:59
  from doing those things or you do those things in the environment
• 30:03
  that's giving you the signals to tell your body to be sick, they're not going
• 30:06
  to help, right? And so now the
• 30:10
  person is just doing these things, thinking that it's helping while not addressing the
• 30:14
  actual things that are telling the body to be sick, which means their light
• 30:17
  environment or their lack of movement or their EMF or their whatever
• 30:21
  else would be their dental infections. What, like, whatever it could be. There could be
• 30:24
  so many different things. It's incredibly lacking. And again, at some point
• 30:28
  it's understandable because it's really hard. How do you get all that information into
• 30:32
  one education and give people a piece of paper that says they can do something
• 30:35
  now? That's really what education is. Yeah. Piece of paper. Yeah. And,
• 30:39
  and truly, as we were just talking about, there are some
• 30:43
  basic ways you can be equipped, but then it needs to be to be an
• 30:46
  ongoing process. And I also think that if the
• 30:49
  paradigm shifted a little, right? And that's why
• 30:53
  I really, you know, God bless the scientists who
• 30:57
  invented the term quantum biology, because quantum, to me,
• 31:00
  that like, gives instead of just, you know, one section
• 31:04
  of the library, it's like the whole library all the books on
• 31:08
  all the different things that you've just mentioned have a place on the shelf
• 31:12
  if you expand from a biochemical view to a quantum view
• 31:17
  and mechanisms of action to go with it, which is always what they're
• 31:20
  after, right? Well, I think that just.
• 31:24
  You said mechanisms of action, and that just put this whole thought into my head,
• 31:28
  because I think that the most important thing that looking at things from a
• 31:32
  quantum perspective has given me is that we will
• 31:35
  not ever be smarter than nature. Ever.
• 31:39
  Right? And so if we think we can be, if we think we
• 31:43
  can master the next biochemical pathway, which, again,
• 31:47
  is what medicine is trying to do. I used to. I used to work in
• 31:50
  a clinic as a chiropractor across the street from the Virginia Tech School of Medicine
• 31:53
  and Research. I would get all these PhD students coming in. I'd always ask them,
• 31:57
  what are you working on? And they tell me, oh, I'm working on this very
• 32:00
  specific biochemical pathway to see if I can create some molecule to change that. Because
• 32:03
  it's all, where's the next pharmaceutical, Right? Where can we make something?
• 32:07
  And again, very reductionist. But they're trying to change this one
• 32:11
  biochemical pathway and think they're going to affect a whole disease process that has all
• 32:14
  these complex mechanisms or within a complex
• 32:18
  biological ecosystem. So when you look at things from a quantum perspective and you realize
• 32:21
  that something can happen and that a hundred different things can happen all at the
• 32:25
  same time, and how that makes it almost impossible to predict
• 32:28
  what's going to happen, you just have to throw your hands up and be like,
• 32:32
  why am I even trying to research this biochemical pathway? Because that doesn't even
• 32:36
  make sense, that I'll never be able to figure it out. And,
• 32:40
  yeah, like, when you, like I've heard mathematicians talk about it, and like, you get
• 32:43
  two things, you can kind of predict how they're going to interact with each other.
• 32:46
  You get three, it becomes harder, you get four, you get five. It's almost impossible
• 32:49
  now. And we're talking about hundreds of reactions at the same time.
• 32:53
  So when you think about it that way, to me it's.
• 32:57
  And I've expressed this to clients recently a lot, which is probably why I popped
• 33:00
  into my head. It's almost as if we're creating this false
• 33:03
  idol that is medicine, that is science,
• 33:08
  right. And that this is the standard by which we're trying to do things. And
• 33:11
  those things are trying to basically tell us, or we're trying
• 33:15
  to using those things. We're trying to tell ourselves that we're Smarter than
• 33:19
  nature or smarter than God or smarter than the universe or whatever you want to
• 33:22
  say, right? When in reality, what quantum, I think biology
• 33:25
  teaches us, you see that from that perspective, is that at some point you have
• 33:29
  to kind of throw up your hands and surrender to the
• 33:33
  higher power. That is what I would to consider nature, right? And if you put
• 33:36
  yourself in that environment, your physiology knows what to do and you're never going to
• 33:40
  understand how it's doing it or why it's doing it, but you
• 33:44
  will see the result. And so it's not about
• 33:47
  me trying to do this science or diagnose this thing that
• 33:51
  I think that I can control the way the body's doing something or give this
• 33:55
  pill or give this whatever. It's about throwing your hands up and saying, go back
• 33:58
  to this environment and make that be your baseline.
• 34:02
  Right? And if your baseline is that, then that's a
• 34:06
  great place to start right now you've created this as much as you can within
• 34:10
  the confines of your modern world. Go back to nature, recreate nature. And that
• 34:13
  means that sometimes, yes, we have to use some modern day things that help us
• 34:16
  recreate that because we all just can't go live in the woods. And then you
• 34:20
  can use some select maybe supplements or maybe this here and there, but your baseline
• 34:24
  has to be this. Throwing your hands up and going back to this and
• 34:27
  surrendering to that because that's the only really way that your
• 34:31
  physiology is going to get the right signals. And what it does with that is
• 34:34
  up to the body. But we have to at least give it that chance. And
• 34:37
  that's the almost like people ask me all the time, like, how do you know
• 34:39
  you're not going to have another heart attack? And I'm like, that's why. Because I
• 34:43
  just kind of gave up and said I'll give myself to this
• 34:47
  higher power. That is the philosophy that I have. And yeah, I could tell you
• 34:50
  all these different things in science about why I think that works, but in reality
• 34:54
  I don't need to understand that. I just kind of like to, because I'm curious.
• 34:58
  But yeah, I hope that makes sense. It makes perfect sense.
• 35:02
  And I think going back to what you were saying, how you were trained on
• 35:05
  diet and exercise, diet and exercise. You know, for
• 35:09
  women my age, we grew up on that. The adults when
• 35:13
  we were teenagers, the adults in our lives getting middle aged,
• 35:17
  wanting to get healthy diet and exercise. And so they
• 35:21
  see me doing all this stuff and talking about all this stuff and they're kind
• 35:24
  of like, what are you doing? And I'm like, everything in our environment
• 35:28
  is affecting us, and our environment has
• 35:32
  changed a lot since. Since we were teenagers. So. Yeah,
• 35:35
  it's exactly what you're saying and what I feel like quantum biology does.
• 35:39
  And I'd love for you to give a little of the science on this is
• 35:42
  like, give that grounding to ex
• 35:46
  a little bit, like, for your dad. Right. Okay. But why? It's like, what do
• 35:50
  you mean? Who cares? Like, it's fine. Seems
• 35:53
  fine. When in reality, we could be like, we're putting ourselves
• 35:57
  in a, you know, destruction chamber every day and not even
• 36:01
  realizing it. Yeah. So, like, from. From perspective of, say,
• 36:04
  like, some research article. Let's take that. Right. We take this research article,
• 36:08
  we look at it. What's the goal of a research article? What are they trying
• 36:11
  to do? They're trying to show that this causes this. And you can start out
• 36:15
  with an associational study to just see if something's associated. But that doesn't really tell
• 36:18
  you much. You have to figure out why it's associated. And then the standard, like
• 36:22
  the higher standard is randomized controlled trials. And then higher than
• 36:26
  that is the systematic reviews of all the randomized controlled trials. But the controlled
• 36:30
  trial is the highest thing because, like, you take this intervention versus the people
• 36:33
  who don't do the intervention, and you see if it causes something. And so it's
• 36:37
  like, okay, that's great. You. You tried to isolate all the variables
• 36:40
  and see if this one thing that they did versus the people who didn't do
• 36:43
  it caused a certain thing. It's like, that's great. However, last
• 36:47
  time I checked, I'm not exposed to one thing at a time. Nobody
• 36:51
  is. And at the end of the day, the way that we're doing research, even
• 36:54
  the standard of care randomized controlled trial is fundamentally flawed. Yeah. Because it
• 36:58
  can never tell us anything. It can tell us what this study
• 37:02
  showed, but that's about it. That doesn't apply to any of us because
• 37:06
  we are all in different environments. We've all had different experiences, different
• 37:10
  traumas, different whatever. And so you can't really say that. You
• 37:13
  can't apply that to everybody. And we're all exposed to multiple things
• 37:17
  at multiple times, all the time. And even then, you could say that in that
• 37:21
  randomized controlled trial, it's completely. The results are completely void
• 37:25
  because everybody in that trial had different environments, you know, did different
• 37:28
  things. You didn't control for light, you didn't control for emf. You didn't control for
• 37:32
  childhood, you didn't control for car accidents, you can't, like. It'S
• 37:36
  literally impossible to control for all that stuff. So, so that's what I mean
• 37:40
  by putting this faith in this thing that literally can't give us what we think
• 37:43
  that it's going to give us. And we have to put our faith
• 37:47
  somewhere else. So from that perspective, without that
• 37:50
  philosophy, for me, of, of nature and again,
• 37:54
  people who call it God, they call it prana, they can call it universe, they
• 37:57
  can call it ether, whatever they want to call it, for me, it's
• 38:00
  nature. Without that context, then you can't
• 38:04
  interpret what that study said or what it meant, right? Then
• 38:07
  you just basically focused on the result of that study and you say, see
• 38:12
  this study lowered LDL with a statin and it
• 38:15
  created less heart disease. And aside from all the statistical
• 38:19
  manipulation that probably happened in that study, like you're taking that
• 38:23
  result as the end all but because this is the standard, this is a man
• 38:26
  made standard that has been created just like a man made
• 38:30
  standard of care has been created through medicine. And that
• 38:34
  is us trying to think we're smarter than nature. So
• 38:38
  again, I mean you read my book, there's like 750 cited articles of science
• 38:41
  in there. So it's not like I'm anti science, I just am expressing the
• 38:45
  limitations of it and being aware of those and realizing that if I don't have
• 38:49
  this foundation of what nature is, then this doesn't make sense. So
• 38:53
  here's an example. So if you look at research on
• 38:56
  electromagnetic fields, right? Wireless signals, radio frequency or electromagnetic
• 39:00
  fields, and you look at, say you read Andrew Marino and you read
• 39:03
  Robert Becker, you're like, this is some things, there's some things here that we should
• 39:07
  probably pay attention to, right? But there's also a lot of other studies that say
• 39:10
  that it's not an issue, right? They don't get any results. They
• 39:14
  didn't get any like harmful. You could argue that they designed those studies
• 39:17
  poorly or that there's other variables and you could make all those arguments.
• 39:21
  But all that stuff without the context of nature
• 39:25
  doesn't make sense. And here's why. Because if you look at what nature
• 39:29
  provides us, nature provides us with
• 39:32
  a radio frequency on the electromagnetic spectrum of
• 39:36
  UV through infrared, right from the sun and that's it. Anything outside
• 39:40
  of that is non native to us. And so for me,
• 39:44
  if, for historically, revolutionarily, if all we had
• 39:47
  was these wavelengths between here and here, anything outside of
• 39:51
  that, that's suspect until proven innocent, right?
• 39:55
  And whenever we, I mean you read Arthur Fursten's
• 39:59
  Berg's Book about how they were studying like electricity came and then all the
• 40:03
  radio frequencies came after that. And the things that they saw, those are just
• 40:06
  observations, but it's a 200 year observation that every
• 40:10
  time that something happened we saw these issues. Right. So
• 40:14
  just to, just to clarify. So that is like
• 40:17
  electricity came and then there were some major epidemics,
• 40:21
  illness. Well, yeah, well, first of all, the early scientists who were studying
• 40:24
  electricity and kind of like inventing this thing got sick. They,
• 40:28
  they had flu, like viral like illness. Right. And then, yes,
• 40:32
  every time we had this major jump in some sort of electromagnetic or radio
• 40:36
  frequency thing, we saw these epidemics, we saw these people
• 40:39
  get sick. Whether that was after World War I, we all know
• 40:43
  that. What was it? The Spanish flu? Was that what it was? I forget what
• 40:46
  it was after all of the radio. Yeah, after the radio towers. Because
• 40:49
  radio frequency is what came out in World War I. That's why that's
• 40:53
  how they communicated. And then radar in World War II and like there's all these
• 40:56
  different things. And he tracks it very well. And again, it's just associations.
• 41:02
  I'll say it. So you don't have to.5G in the late
• 41:06
  2000s. Yeah, I mean that's the latest one. Did we
• 41:10
  have an epidemic of a flu like virus after that? Yeah,
• 41:13
  exactly. Right. And he traces that really well. And again, it's just
• 41:17
  associations. But it's a very consistent association every single time for
• 41:21
  the last 200 years. So it's kind of hard to ignore that whether we know
• 41:24
  the mechanisms or not. So but anyways, getting back to
• 41:28
  like. So nature also provides us an electromagnetic field. And that
• 41:32
  is assuming resonance of the earth or the electromagnetic field coming from other living things.
• 41:36
  Those are compatible electromagnetic fields. Anything outside of that
• 41:40
  is non compatible. Which means the electromagnetic field is created by this
• 41:43
  artificial thing we've created, which is electricity. Right. When we do
• 41:47
  that, and we put it at much higher voltage than say what's coming from
• 41:50
  the earth when we touch our feet to the earth, that creates this field that's
• 41:54
  non compatible with us. And so again, that's guilty and
• 41:57
  proven innocent until proven innocent in my mind. Because it's not something that we have
• 42:01
  been exposed to for historically for forever really.
• 42:05
  And so that's just one example. So if you look at this
• 42:09
  research and you say, see this research shows that it doesn't cause harm, or see,
• 42:12
  this research says that it does, you're tied to those things and you don't know
• 42:16
  what to make of those things because there's conflicting results. There
• 42:20
  Whereas if you have this foundation that is nature, you realize,
• 42:23
  oh, that that stuff's not natural to us.
• 42:27
  Right. And so therefore, it's for
• 42:31
  me, just as my personal decision, I'm more likely to say, yes, it's
• 42:34
  probably the study that shows that there's harm. And then there's all the other issues
• 42:38
  with research too, as far as who's funding it, what type, where the scientists
• 42:42
  paid off, like, all the stuff, did they mess with the statistics and make it
• 42:45
  show a certain thing, which we can talk about all like that, with statins and
• 42:49
  everything. But to give examples, there's this again, I'd say, like,
• 42:53
  almost false idol in modern medicine and modern
• 42:57
  science, and it's taking us away, which is a very, I'd say, I
• 43:00
  don't know, like, spiritual or religious kind of foundation. Like, you
• 43:04
  surrender yourself up to a higher power, and that's how you find
• 43:08
  enlightenment and those types of things. So it's kind of led me to that. And
• 43:12
  that's just, you know, one example. We could talk about light as well. The only
• 43:15
  light that we get is UV through infrared. So these other unnatural
• 43:19
  forms of light, it's not surprising that we're finding that they're harmful. And people will
• 43:22
  say, like, why? You know, because we can adapt, right?
• 43:26
  And to a certain extent, we can adapt to things. But
• 43:30
  true adaptation, I mean, I think from an evolutionary perspective, true
• 43:34
  adaptation comes many, many generations. So in my first
• 43:37
  book, I talk about this Russian scientist named Dmitri Belyav,
• 43:41
  who basically started selectively breeding foxes for docile
• 43:45
  traits. And after about 30 generations, he had pretty much foxes who
• 43:49
  were dogs. They were like his. He domesticated them after 50
• 43:52
  generations? No, after 30 generations, basically he started seeing
• 43:55
  characteristic changes, like the fact that their ears were up like this all the time
• 43:59
  in nature, always perceiving their environment. They didn't have to anymore,
• 44:03
  that their ear started to droop, like is what we see in dogs, right? And
• 44:07
  their coat started to change because they didn't need camouflage as much. And then after
• 44:10
  50 generations, he actually died, but people continued his work. After 50
• 44:14
  generations, he pretty much had these foxes that were like dogs. They were completely
• 44:18
  domesticated. And so that shows us that it takes, you know,
• 44:21
  30 to 50 generations to get significant changes in adaptation.
• 44:25
  And that's with very select breeding. So in nature, it doesn't happen that way.
• 44:29
  It probably takes longer. And for humans who have a much longer
• 44:32
  reproductive cycle, it probably takes longer to get these true
• 44:36
  adaptations to a change like that. And so if you think about how long that
• 44:40
  takes and you think in the last three generations
• 44:43
  at the most, four generations at the most, the drastic amount of changes we've
• 44:47
  seen, there's no way our physiology could adapt to that. And
• 44:51
  so it's not like it's adapting enough to just kill us off immediately,
• 44:55
  but it's definitely enough to make us ill. And we're seeing the
• 44:58
  repercussions of that with a chronic disease epidemic. That's what I mean
• 45:02
  by, like, when we change the environment too much, these things are
• 45:06
  unnatural to us. Our bodies give us signals. This is not okay.
• 45:09
  And we're interpreting, like, the historical way to think about it has been,
• 45:13
  like, from a medical perspective is, oh, our genes are causing
• 45:16
  disease. Right. And that's not the case at all. Our genes
• 45:20
  respond to the environment. If even that's the way it works. I don't even know
• 45:24
  from a quantum perspective. I'm not even sure if that's the way it works. But,
• 45:27
  yeah, it's all about the environmental signals and how our body perceives them and then
• 45:30
  chooses to respond to them to keep us alive and adapt.
• 45:34
  If we're constantly trying to adapt, that's what we call disease. Like,
• 45:38
  if we're constantly trying to adapt to an apparent signal, that's what we call disease.
• 45:41
  You give it a better signal. It's adapting to that. It's easier to adapt to
• 45:44
  that. We have health, we have homeostasis. Our technological
• 45:48
  evolution so far outpaces our
• 45:52
  biology's ability to keep up, but also our
• 45:55
  institution's ability to keep up. You know, going back to
• 45:58
  your curriculum that focused on diet and exercise, that had
• 46:02
  its roots at a time where that might have been enough because
• 46:06
  we didn't have LED light bulbs. We didn't have screens in our faces
• 46:10
  before we fell asleep at night. We didn't have TVs on in the bedroom all
• 46:14
  night. We didn't have wifi. We didn't have 5G. We didn't have
• 46:18
  headlights on cars that could blind you when they come
• 46:22
  around the corner. Like, none of those things existed and
• 46:26
  we are proceeding, or the institutional
• 46:30
  education system is proceeding as though none of those things
• 46:35
  are having a biological impact. Meanwhile,
• 46:38
  the research to show that it is, like,
• 46:42
  piling up. People always assume that, like, oh, you're kind of out on
• 46:46
  the fringe talking about these things, because the research must be out on the fringe.
• 46:50
  No, it's all there. It's just we're not equipped. We
• 46:54
  have no mechanisms or structures that are
• 46:57
  equipped to update themselves quickly enough. Yeah. To
• 47:01
  connect that research to the
• 47:05
  people giving health advice to the people receiving health advice
• 47:08
  down to like the mainstream understanding of, you know,
• 47:12
  maybe turn those LEDs off, you know, in the middle,
• 47:16
  when it's the middle of the night. Like that should just be common knowledge. And
• 47:19
  it's not because of all these layers that are
• 47:22
  unable to keep up with the absolute insane pace
• 47:26
  of technology change. Yeah, and not just technology,
• 47:30
  but all kinds of stuff that we've seen over the last, I'd say 150 to
• 47:34
  200 years. Major changes. But yes, even the last 50 has been crazy
• 47:37
  as far as technology. But yeah, and there was that study, I can't remember, I
• 47:41
  think it was 2011 when it came out, that was just.
• 47:45
  Basically, it found that the average amount of time for
• 47:48
  something to get published in the literature to be something that your doctor may tell
• 47:51
  you in the doctor's office was 17 years. And that was the average. So
• 47:55
  yeah, like all this literature is there and I, I talk about
• 47:59
  that all the time when I talk about cardiovascular disease. It's like the
• 48:03
  amount of things that I found in the literature that I have never met a
• 48:06
  cardiologist she's aware of astounds me, you know, because
• 48:10
  I've. Like the work of Giorgio Baraldi itself just throws
• 48:13
  cardiology on its head. But it was completely ignored. I've never met even more in
• 48:17
  the. No cardiologist I've never met anybody who's aware of him in the field of
• 48:21
  cardiology. Doesn't mean there's not somebody, because I don't know all of them. It's crazy
• 48:24
  to me that his work is not recognized. But of course it's not,
• 48:28
  because if his work was recognized, they would never do electrostens and
• 48:32
  bypasses, but they do. So yeah, it's just there's so
• 48:35
  much incongruency between what medicine's actually doing and what
• 48:39
  the research is showing for because of A, the philosophy of medicine and
• 48:43
  B, how fast things are changing. There's just like, it's,
• 48:46
  it's crazy. Like a medical school would have to, you know, revamp its whole curriculum
• 48:50
  to teach what's actually causing modern disease, even if that was their
• 48:53
  purpose, like to try and actually prevent disease rather than just treat it and profit
• 48:57
  off of the treatment of it. But yeah, it's just, it's too much.
• 49:00
  But it's a good segue based on what you said was that like
• 49:05
  even the modern day practitioner now is up against so many different things
• 49:08
  that even 20, 50 years ago they wouldn't have had to address or be
• 49:12
  aware of. Right. Because there's so Many new things. And like
• 49:16
  if you look at some of the early things that, like the early
• 49:19
  chiropractors like DD Palmer and the people that worked with him were doing and
• 49:23
  the results that they say they were getting, if you looked at that now and
• 49:26
  saw A, what they were doing and B, the results they were getting, you'd be
• 49:29
  like, this is crazy. There's no way they could do that. But it's
• 49:33
  because of what they were doing. But also in 1895, there wasn't
• 49:37
  near as many of the problems and changes that we've had today. So
• 49:41
  it's interesting about, you know, how
• 49:45
  that was possible then, even if it seems impossible today.
• 49:48
  It was very possible then. Right. You could, with an adjustment,
• 49:52
  probably change somebody's life because that was, that was probably
• 49:56
  the main thing going on. They didn't have all of these other assaults on their
• 49:59
  body. Sure, yeah. So what was, so what was the early
• 50:02
  chiropractic like? What did they do? So I have a good friend, his
• 50:06
  chiropractor, who introduced me to a lot of this stuff. So especially
• 50:10
  in my program that was very much like I told you, very
• 50:13
  medicine based look at the research. What has chiropractic shown to be helpful with. And
• 50:17
  we teach that, whereas the philosophical schools, I didn't get much of
• 50:20
  that. And so they got more of this background of the philosophy of chiropractic and
• 50:24
  what D. Palmer did. But first of all, DD Palmer didn't invent an
• 50:28
  adjustment. People have been manipulating people for however
• 50:31
  many years, ancient civilizations were doing that. He just kind of formalized
• 50:35
  it into what's chiropractic or not even he did, his son did. BJ
• 50:39
  Palmer is the one who really formalized it into a career of chiropractic or a
• 50:42
  profession anyways. Yeah. So if you
• 50:46
  look at like some of the early quotes of the Palmers, they'll say things
• 50:50
  like, all you really need is a space and a
• 50:53
  patient. And the magnetic manipulator is what he called himself.
• 50:57
  And he wasn't using magnet. He didn't, he wasn't like putting magnets
• 51:01
  about. Some people do that today. They use magnets. He wasn't doing that. He's using
• 51:05
  his hands. And he called himself a magnetic manipulator.
• 51:08
  And so I think that he had this concept of what
• 51:12
  chiropractic was that I don't even think
• 51:16
  maybe he didn't or early, early disciples didn't, or
• 51:20
  students. But I don't even think that the philosophical schools have a
• 51:23
  concept, a true concept of what was going on. And what he was doing.
• 51:27
  Because when I think about it and when I learned about it from a quantum
• 51:30
  perspective or quantum aspects of what the body does, it
• 51:34
  makes more sense to me on what he was doing and the results that he
• 51:37
  was seeing. And what chiropractors can still see today, it's much less common, but can
• 51:41
  see today. If you ask chiropractors, I will lecture to groups of chiropractors and ask
• 51:45
  them these things. Like, we all see people that come in and they're in a
• 51:48
  lot of pain, or they're, they have all these health issues, or they're just like
• 51:52
  a disgruntled person. They don't even want to be there. And like, their
• 51:56
  wife made them come or something like that. And then we start treating them
• 51:59
  and whether their pain goes away or not, they just seem more likable, they seem
• 52:03
  more amiable about life. And we're just kind of like,
• 52:07
  okay, that's great. And we assume, oh, they must be feeling better, that's why they're
• 52:10
  happier or whatever. But when I thought about things differently and I thought about what
• 52:14
  de Palmer was saying, originally, it is magnetic manipulation.
• 52:18
  And then I learned things from a quantum perspective. I put a lot together.
• 52:21
  And so what I think was happening in those early days is that when you
• 52:25
  adjust the spine, which is the main treatment that most chiropractors
• 52:29
  do, you do a hvla, a spinal manipulation of joints or
• 52:32
  whatever, you're creating sound. Obviously we hear sound, but you're
• 52:36
  also creating electromagnetic field. You're having a piezoelectric effect that
• 52:40
  creates electrons, you know, a streaming potential of electrons that go somewhere.
• 52:44
  You're creating light. You're actually emitting. There's studies that show that when you adjust
• 52:47
  the spine, more biophoton emission happens in that area.
• 52:52
  And so you're doing all these quantum, like things to it. And then
• 52:55
  if you understand that the fascia is a communication system for all
• 52:59
  this stuff, and you adjust the spine and the
• 53:03
  communication system picks up on all that, and it's instantly relayed to the entire body.
• 53:07
  And you recognize that the better the fascia
• 53:10
  communicates, the more coherent the body is. It's one thing,
• 53:14
  one contributor to coherence of the body, which is how synced up
• 53:18
  and on the same page, all the systems of the body are all the
• 53:22
  cells, all the tissues, everything is. And when you do that, you're creating the
• 53:26
  signals that are creating coherence, right? You're, you're improving. You're also breaking
• 53:29
  up scar tissue where. Cause scar tissue is a place where the
• 53:33
  signals through the fascia can't flow very well. So if there's any around
• 53:37
  the spinal cord, you're breaking that up in the spinal cord and the spinal column.
• 53:40
  And so when all that stuff's happening, you start to understand that what you're really
• 53:44
  doing is you're creating coherence in a system. And
• 53:47
  so back in the day, it could be that you get a
• 53:51
  couple adjustments and you've created coherence. Now there's all
• 53:55
  these things that we're exposed to today and it's
• 53:59
  taking a lot more or we're not seeing the same result. Right. Well,
• 54:02
  there's things like you adjust somebody, they go back right into the environment that was
• 54:06
  making them sick and creating incoherence. And it's like it's not going to matter.
• 54:09
  Whereas back in 1895, they were barely having
• 54:13
  electricity. Right. So it wasn't even like this situation
• 54:17
  where you're surrounded by emf. And now we are. So there's all this stuff.
• 54:20
  And so, yeah, so then when you realize that the heart
• 54:24
  is what's measuring, it's sending out the electromagnetic field and it's measuring
• 54:29
  the coherence of the body internally and externally, what's happening on
• 54:32
  externally, and you start to increase the coherence internally
• 54:36
  by chiropractic or any other body work therapy. I'm not saying chiropractic is the
• 54:39
  only one. There's lots of different bodywork therapies that will increase this. And you start
• 54:43
  to see the effects of chiropractic or any body work therapy on heart rate
• 54:47
  variability. Which heart rate variability? People think it's measuring balance in the nervous
• 54:50
  system, when in reality it's measuring coherence and
• 54:55
  it picks up on coherence and sends that message to the brain, sends that message
• 54:58
  back down through the body as nervous system balance. And so,
• 55:01
  yeah, it looks like because chiropractors are all like, oh, yeah, adjust the spine, you
• 55:04
  create nervous system balance. We're balancing sympathetic and parasympathetic. But that's only
• 55:08
  through creating coherence. And so that's what's actually happening in
• 55:11
  chiropractic. That's why we see the results. And you can relate heart rate variability to
• 55:15
  pretty much any chronic disease. If heart rate variability gets better, there's less rates of
• 55:19
  cancer, there's, there's better cardiovascular outcomes, there's better
• 55:22
  neurodegeneration outcomes, there's metabolic outcomes. It's all of
• 55:26
  it. Right. Because we're creating coherence. And that's the thing that
• 55:29
  chiropractic is actually doing. Because, you know,
• 55:33
  traditional chiropractic philosophy will say, oh, you adjust the spine, you relieve pressure
• 55:37
  on a nerve. The brain is. The brain is able to send a signal down
• 55:39
  to the body better. And that may be happening too, right.
• 55:43
  But in reality, what's really happening is the other way around, is you're creating coherence
• 55:47
  and the heart's picking up on that. The heart's sending that information to the brain.
• 55:50
  The brain is sending the signal back down of more coherence, more balance in
• 55:54
  the nervous system. So that's what's really going on. And I think that's what they
• 55:57
  were seeing in early chiropractic, whether or not they knew that or not. But
• 56:01
  now, you know, chiropractic has this very
• 56:05
  interesting history of being like, chiropractors went to jail because they were
• 56:09
  accused of practicing medicine without a license when they were just practicing
• 56:13
  chiropractic. The American Medical association, literally,
• 56:16
  there were statements out from them that medical doctors should accuse chiropractors of
• 56:20
  practicing medicine so that they would get arrested. It's crazy. And then
• 56:24
  I can't remember what year it was. I think it was the 60s. I can't
• 56:27
  remember. But eventually it went to a court, and the court, I think it
• 56:30
  was a superior court somewhere, like, literally told the American Medical association to
• 56:34
  cease and desist, that what they were doing was unconstitutional. You cannot do this.
• 56:38
  And then finally it stopped at that point. And I think that
• 56:42
  over time, depending on which school or which person you're talking
• 56:46
  to, to stay relevant, chiropractic had to become more medical,
• 56:50
  to a sense, which is. I mean, that's kind of the name of the game
• 56:53
  is you have to create this standardized education. It has to be evidence based. You
• 56:56
  have to do all this stuff. Even though we talked about the evidence and how,
• 56:59
  I think that's false idol. That's the standard by which you have to be
• 57:03
  relevant or create relevance to survive as a profession. And
• 57:07
  so now we get today these chiropractors that are thinking very
• 57:09
  neuromusculoskeletally rather than very quantumly, which is
• 57:13
  where I think it started, whether they understood that or not. And that's why
• 57:17
  they were seeing the results they were seeing, especially in 1895, without
• 57:21
  all the other stuff around them. So, yeah, I hope I described
• 57:24
  that well. But, yeah, that's my perspective on what chiropractic was
• 57:28
  and is now. It's so fascinating. And I think,
• 57:32
  like, for me, the thing that is hard to get my head around,
• 57:35
  and I know this for a Lot of people, too, is the idea that all
• 57:38
  of the structures that we believed
• 57:42
  had our best intentions at heart and all of the
• 57:46
  structures that we put our faith in to keep us healthy
• 57:51
  or help us get back to being healthy if we get sick
• 57:55
  are flawed. I'll say flawed. And I
• 57:58
  think over time, even dis. Totally disincentivized for
• 58:02
  us to be healthy. Which leaves us in this space
• 58:06
  of, you know, you have now
• 58:10
  started your own independent practice where you can
• 58:14
  treat patients with all of the knowledge that you've collected
• 58:19
  as a curious researcher. And it also, I think,
• 58:23
  is tough for people to swallow because it does put a lot
• 58:27
  of personal responsibility. Right. If my environment
• 58:31
  matters that much, I have to think about it. I have
• 58:35
  to make the changes. And I'm going against the tidal wave of
• 58:38
  culture, which is hard to do. Right. Like,
• 58:42
  I use the example of having a home birth. I lived
• 58:46
  in Ontario, Canada. There was like, a midwife
• 58:50
  was covered by insurance. I learned with my first
• 58:54
  child that you had to get on the list, like, the moment you conceived or
• 58:57
  the midwives were booked out. So by the second one, I figured it out. I
• 59:01
  was in a culture that supported that. With my third child, I
• 59:05
  wasn't. And it's. I was living overseas and it was,
• 59:09
  you know, I realized, like, I actually don't have the energy to go
• 59:12
  counter to what everyone wants me to do in this situation. So I went
• 59:16
  back to the hospital and I just use that as an example,
• 59:19
  because what I'm hearing from you is that, like,
• 59:23
  we do have to take this responsibility for environment, and it's
• 59:27
  not straightforward, and it's not what everyone else is doing. And
• 59:31
  so to have a practitioner or a coach or somebody at least, who is
• 59:35
  supporting you in those choices becomes so important and is helping
• 59:38
  you to be that detective. Yeah, I mean, I. An analogy I use
• 59:42
  with people, because I'll get on with a potential client and I'll be like, how
• 59:46
  do I know this is going to work? Can you guarantee me results? And I
• 59:49
  say, okay, so whether or not you went to college, when you go
• 59:53
  to college, does that guarantee you in education, they're like,
• 59:57
  well, yeah, if you pay for it and you go through anything. I'm like, yeah,
• 1:00:00
  but did you learn anything going through that? What determines if you learn something and
• 1:00:03
  how much you get out of this? So you can pay the same amount as
• 1:00:06
  everybody else, but your education will be very different. Whether or not it
• 1:00:09
  works and gets you where you want to go is very, very different based on
• 1:00:12
  how much you put into it. Right. So it's really on you. Even if you're
• 1:00:15
  all paying the same tuition, paying the same amount, you get out of it what
• 1:00:19
  you put into it. And that means you really have to invest. You can't just
• 1:00:22
  pay and expect someone to give you the answer or fix you.
• 1:00:26
  And that's a very hard thing to face. And it's. I've especially
• 1:00:30
  become aware of how hard that is for certain people with trauma,
• 1:00:34
  because you have to face some very, very hard things, and that's not easy. And
• 1:00:38
  I. My heart goes out to them, and I empathize with them. I can also
• 1:00:41
  be there to encourage them. Then it's worth it. So it's not just environment as
• 1:00:44
  far as having to change things. And, and you may
• 1:00:48
  lose some friends if you decide that this isn't going to be my hard line.
• 1:00:50
  I'm going to change this, and I'm not going to do that. This friend may
• 1:00:53
  be like, oh, I don't want to hang out with you anymore. Okay. You have
• 1:00:56
  to kind of be okay with that. Right. But it's also making you look at
• 1:00:59
  internal things, things that may be in the way of you getting to the place
• 1:01:02
  where you want to be, which is difficult. And those are things that
• 1:01:06
  I've had to learn over time. And working with people, that. That's. That's something that's
• 1:01:10
  probably one of the most important things to deal with. So you're right. It's not
• 1:01:13
  easy, and it's not easy sometimes. It depends because.
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  Because half of that's really empowering. It's like, oh, man, now I can make the
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  changes. I'm in control. I don't have to rely on the next blood test or
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  this medication or what this doctor says, or I can take my control. It's very
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  empowering. But it's also like, man, now I've got this. This climb
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  to face. Right. I got this. All these things I got to change about
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  my environment. I got to deal with things internally, all this stuff. And. And
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  there's so many resources out there for people to use and utilize
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  and help them. So it all depends on how you see it,
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  right? Do you see it as, man, I'm back in control, or do you see
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  it as, ugh, this is way too much, I can't do it. Yes.
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  And I love that you said that, because ultimately
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  it's a gift. If it was just in the hands of somebody
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  at the top of the food chain in a higher. In the hospital
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  structure like that, it's locked away. Like, I don't have
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  that person in my living room, I don't have that person in the, you
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  know, when I wake up in the morning. But if it's me,
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  like, the world becomes just infinite
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  possibility. And I've embraced that.
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  Going through some deep challenges 20 years ago. And I was
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  like, no, you know what? I'm just gonna take 100% responsibility for
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  everything. And people are like, oh, don't be so hard on yourself. I'm like, I'm
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  not. I'm choosing the freedom. I'm choosing the freedom path. Because
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  if I could take responsibility, then I get to make the
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  changes and make the choices. Yeah. And, you know, if they
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  don't work out, I just make. I'd make a choice again not to get mad
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  at myself and blame myself. But that's a choice too. Yeah. And it's about, I
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  mean, it's the same thing. It's like, how long do you stay stuck in a
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  situation because you're waiting on someone else or you're waiting on some information
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  or something like that, when a long time ago you could have decided, I'm going
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  to do this because I'm in control and get whatever you need from
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  that, having that mentality. And then there you go, you're. It doesn't mean it's going
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  to be all like sky high from there. It'll be ups and downs. But if
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  you're the one in control making the decisions and you have the information that
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  allows you to make the decisions, that's the most important aspect of it. And that's.
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  So there's something that's completely missing from medicine and from a
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  formal education is it's more like
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  the mentality, I feel like, especially of medical education is this is
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  the standard of care, do this to people. Right,
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  right. Rather than this is what we think, we understand,
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  this is the best way we think about it, educate people on this and allow
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  them to make their own decisions. That's a much different way of
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  doing anything medical or anything health related. And so
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  that's. I didn't know that's what was going to happen for me. But, you know,
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  I thought that I was going to come into this, starting my own business and
• 1:03:54
  coaching people and teach people about heart disease and help them with their heart disease.
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  But then I realized what I was doing was I wasn't empowering them, I was
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  educating them so they can make their own decisions and that's what gives them the
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  peace of mind. So that mentality, that whole
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  philosophy is incredibly missing from any formal, I think,
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  education. And it's this beautiful paradox of I'm
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  in control and I'm surrendered. I don't know
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  how those two things are true at the same time, but they are. Well, if
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  you're in control, it's your choice to surrender. There you go. Oh,
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  Stephen, this has been so delightful. I can keep doing it. And I'm so
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  excited that you are faculty at the Institute of Applied Quantum
• 1:04:33
  Biology where we are doing our best to put some
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  curriculum around all of these concepts and
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  provide that educational structure so that
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  the, this missing piece can be slotted into whatever it is
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  that, that, you know, whatever field of expertise a person comes to
• 1:04:52
  the table with. This is like a lens to go over top,
• 1:04:55
  not a replacement, just a widening and expand, expand an expansion
• 1:04:59
  of the view of health that can be taken. And we
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  talked a lot about research today and you know,
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  as I mentioned to you, that's the next phase is
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  we're going to be rolling out programs
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  so that the practitioners can be pulling research
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  from the field, from those real life individual and bio
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  individual interactions so that we aren't completely
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  reliant on lab data and randomized control
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  studies that control for all of the things that actually happen in people's
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  lives. Yeah, there's a really interesting, there's a really interesting
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  article out there that is published that I've cited in a few of my books.
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  Maybe you're aware of it, but it's basically, it argues against evidence based medicine
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  and argues for medicine based evidence. So basically
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  perfect. That's exactly it. Yes. Yeah. Because it's
• 1:05:50
  basically, it would be more useful if we had this huge database of
• 1:05:54
  people came with this condition or this symptom. Right. And this is what we tried,
• 1:05:58
  this is what happened. Right. If we have a huge catalog of that,
• 1:06:01
  rather than let's try and prove this is a good treatment for something and we
• 1:06:05
  can't do it until we prove that it is. And that's evidence based medicine. Let's
• 1:06:08
  try and make this one sequence of events, this one sequence of
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  cause and effect, the standard of care for everyone. When we live
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  in a quantum universe that has infinite variables at
• 1:06:20
  any given moment. Yeah, it's just like my reversal of the plaque in my
• 1:06:23
  leg and how I was able to do that. I just finished writing up the
• 1:06:26
  case, that report for that. We're trying to get that published. But that case was
• 1:06:30
  sport. Like if you had 50 case reports, like that's data.
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  Right. Even though they're case reports and they're the lowest form of research, like
• 1:06:37
  that's more significant than these clinical Trials where
• 1:06:41
  they try and control for everything, like what worked for this person in this
• 1:06:45
  instance based on their situation and everything. And if we had a bunch of those
• 1:06:48
  things deciding what you want to do for your someone, if they came in with
• 1:06:51
  peripheral disease like I had, then this is ideas of
• 1:06:55
  what you could do. And it worked really well for this instance. That's much more
• 1:06:58
  useful as a practitioner rather than trying to sort through all the clinical
• 1:07:02
  trial stuff that they try and control for and prove that this one thing
• 1:07:05
  causes this. It's. It'll be much more useful. Yeah, please do. We will
• 1:07:09
  add it to the database and I'm excited to have you. We're doing a practice
• 1:07:13
  based research accelerator for people to come in and learn. It's going to be a
• 1:07:16
  good time because Nico Kennedy was saying that she was reading research and
• 1:07:20
  you know, the, the practitioners would implement the
• 1:07:23
  standard of care based on the research and it wouldn't work. And then they'd go
• 1:07:27
  back and the research would be like, oh no. Well, we controlled for this and
• 1:07:30
  this and this. And they're like, well, my patients have all of those
• 1:07:33
  variables in their lives. They're like, oh well, yeah,
• 1:07:37
  yeah, like. Again, like trying to isolate one thing
• 1:07:41
  and from all the different variables. It doesn't make sense because humans are not
• 1:07:44
  exposed to one variable at a time. Sure are not.
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  All right. If any of them. You'd like to be exposed to any of our
• 1:07:51
  variables. Steven, where can people find you to book a
• 1:07:54
  session? Particularly if you have, if you are a man
• 1:07:58
  or you have a man in your life. It's really worth a consult just
• 1:08:02
  to check in on your, on your heart. Because I
• 1:08:06
  promise whatever you are told is not the full story.
• 1:08:11
  I mean my website is resourceyourhealth.com pretty much everything is
• 1:08:14
  on there. I'm also on social media posting.
• 1:08:18
  When things pop in my head, I get ideas. I post stuff on there. Informational
• 1:08:22
  stuff. Just Dr. Stephen Hussey. Dr. Stephen Hussey. People can
• 1:08:25
  find me there. Amazing. So resource your health.com or
• 1:08:29
  Dr. Steven Hussey on Instagram and all of the big
• 1:08:33
  platforms and you can come and learn. If you're a practitioner, you want to take
• 1:08:37
  the certification. Dr. Hussey is there
• 1:08:40
  for Q and A's and we would love to
• 1:08:44
  see you all. Thank you, Stephen. This was so fun.
• 1:08:48
  I look forward to interview number five. Yeah, I'm sure it'll happen sooner
• 1:08:52
  rather than later. I think so. There's so much to talk about.
• 1:08:56
  All right, everyone, thank you so much for being here.
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  Appreciate it all. Thank you Stephen.
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