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Normally Podcast: Running Away from Political Correctness · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on normally the show with
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Speaker 1: normal it takes for when the news gets weird. I
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Speaker 1: am Mary Catherine Ham.
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Speaker 2: I'm Cayrol Marko Witz. You know, Mary Catherine. I was
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Speaker 2: thinking this that we record on Mondays and air on Tuesdays.
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Speaker 2: But and I ask you how your weekend went, and
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Speaker 2: sometimes that's you know, a little delayed on Tuesday. But
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Speaker 2: I think you had a very eventful weekend, right, I
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Speaker 2: think your weekend holds into Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I took my children camping this weekend, which I
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Speaker 1: think we're a little camping cursed because it's in the
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Speaker 1: past like five years. I've taken them two times, and
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Speaker 1: one time it was thirty four degrees outside and the
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Speaker 1: second time it rained all night. Yeah, the entire night.
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Speaker 1: So I did that, and then in my great wisdom,
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Speaker 1: I came back and did a huge workout for the
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Speaker 1: Travis Mannen Foundation with like three hundred back squats and
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Speaker 1: a bunch of running, and then I watched a terrible, terrible,
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Speaker 1: terrible movie. Well movie another simple favor.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it all not look good.
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Speaker 1: No. The only reason this is getting press is because
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Speaker 1: Blake Lively's in it, and so her controversy is giving
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Speaker 1: it press right. Anna Kendrick is the other lead, and
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Speaker 1: she is charming as usual. But there's only so much
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Speaker 1: you could do girl, that it is. That thing's a disaster.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the socials are really trying to sell
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Speaker 2: me on that movie, but I don't really watch that
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Speaker 2: many things to begin with, so it's not going to
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Speaker 2: be that. I'm glad you've be viewed it for me
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Speaker 2: so I can conclusively say I will not be watching that.
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Speaker 1: I went in knowing it was going to be bad.
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Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping it'd be a hate watch,
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Speaker 1: and I knew that I was going to be semi
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Speaker 1: immobilized from camping plus workout, so you might as well.
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Speaker 2: It's perfect do that.
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Speaker 1: So that's what I did.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 1: Well. Coming off the weekend, I think we might need
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Speaker 1: to have a semi regular segment. It's just like weird
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Speaker 1: ass weekend ideas from Donald Trump because the president's tweeting
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Speaker 1: through it like yes, sure, And he had a couple
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Speaker 1: things to pitch this weekend. Two ideas. One I'll start
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Speaker 1: with Alcatraz, but the other one is Hollywood based and
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Speaker 1: we'll get into that. The first one is Rebuild and
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Speaker 1: open Alcatraz. For too long, America has been plagued by vicious, violent,
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Speaker 1: and repeat criminal offenders, the dregs of society who will
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Speaker 1: never contribute anything other than misery and suffering, both with capital. Beginning. Yes,
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Speaker 1: when we were a more serious nation in times past,
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Speaker 1: we did not hesitate to lock up the most dangerous
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Speaker 1: criminals and keep them far away from anyone they could harm.
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Speaker 1: That's the way it's supposed to be. No longer will
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Speaker 1: we tolerate these serial offenders who spread filth, bloodshed, and
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Speaker 1: mayhem on our streets. Anyway, He's directing the Bureau of Prisons,
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Speaker 1: Apartment of Justice, FBI, Homeland Security to all get together
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Speaker 1: to figure out how to enlarge and rebuild Alcatraz, so
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Speaker 1: it can only be as large as the island. Correct.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know how much enlarging we can do.
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Speaker 1: It's currently a museum owned by the federal government, so
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Speaker 1: at least they got that going.
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Speaker 2: Right by the Parks Department.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the pitch, Carol, What do you think
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Speaker 1: you know?
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Speaker 2: I think what he's saying is we need a bad
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Speaker 2: ass prison in order to scare people away from doing crimes.
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Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to that. But if he starts reworking Alcatraz,
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Speaker 2: which as you mentioned, is a museum, it's going to
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Speaker 2: take years and years. I don't think that he'll still
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Speaker 2: be president by the time that happens. You know, he's
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Speaker 2: a real estate developer. By a different island, make a
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Speaker 2: different prison. The thing is that prison building over the
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Speaker 2: last decade plus has become something that is very difficult
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Speaker 2: to do because we had this big, you know, movement
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Speaker 2: of to criminalize everything and defund police and don't put
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Speaker 2: anyone in jail. And it got to where private prisons,
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Speaker 2: for example, couldn't get bank funding to those prisons because
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Speaker 2: it was just seen as such a touchy subject. So
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Speaker 2: I get what Donald Trump is saying, build more prisons
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Speaker 2: on for it. Forget about Alcatraz. It is just too complicated.
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Speaker 2: I visited Devil's Island a long time ago. That's also
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Speaker 2: an island prison. It's now a resort. You know, maybe
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Speaker 2: maybe that could be the backup plan be here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, he has he has a way of doing
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Speaker 1: very specific weird pitches that I'm like, no, immediate no
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Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, But the very specific weird pitch touches
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Speaker 1: on a larger issue that. I'm like, he'll he'll do
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Speaker 1: it a different way. Like he one time in one
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Speaker 1: of his many, many speaking engagements last week, he just said, like,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna do all the normal stuff. We're gonna put
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Speaker 1: the prisoner, put the criminals in jail, and we're not
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Speaker 1: going to have the boys play on the girls teams.
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Speaker 1: And he just lists them off, and I was like,
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Speaker 1: so much more of that, just like say the normal
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Speaker 1: things over again, over again instead of the weird specific thing.
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Speaker 1: I imagine that will be abandoned in a couple days. But
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Speaker 1: the Hollywood one is interesting as well. He has this
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Speaker 1: to say, the movie industry is their truth posts. By
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Speaker 1: the way, the movie industry is in America is dying
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Speaker 1: a very fast death. Other countries are offering all sorts
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Speaker 1: of incentives to draw our filmmakers and studios away from
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Speaker 1: the United States. Hollywood and many other areas within the
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Speaker 1: USA are being devastated. This is a concerted effort by
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Speaker 1: other nations and therefore a national security threat. It is
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Speaker 1: in addition to everything else messaging and propaganda. Therefore, I
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Speaker 1: am authorizing the Department of Commerce and the United States
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Speaker 1: Trade Representative to immediately begin the process of instituting a
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent tariff on any and all movies coming
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Speaker 1: into our country that are produced in foreign lands. Capitalized again.
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Speaker 1: We want movies made in America again.
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Speaker 2: Okay, get and I don't like it because I don't
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Speaker 2: see why movies can't be made in America. And the
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Speaker 2: reason that they're not is because of leftist local government
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Speaker 2: in places like California. There were a number of artists
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Speaker 2: over the last few years who have taken a risk
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Speaker 2: and spoken out and said it's very tough to make
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Speaker 2: movies in California, and that's also true for New York.
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Speaker 2: Of course, all of this is kind of the problem
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Speaker 2: of the culture of those states. Why should they get
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Speaker 2: this big boon from the president in order to make
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Speaker 2: it easier for them to make their movies here?
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Speaker 1: And it provides a ready made excuse for Hollywood for
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Speaker 1: all these losses that it has incurred because of California's terrible,
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Speaker 1: terrible policies in governacently. And now they can be like, aha,
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Speaker 1: the foreigners did it to us, that's it. Now they
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Speaker 1: might be so negatively partisanly polarized that maybe California would
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Speaker 1: be like, we should be a low regulation state who
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Speaker 1: allows people to make things so like I would love that.
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think
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Speaker 1: Gavin Newson is going to become an abundance Democrat. But
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Speaker 1: this goes to our old complaint about Donald Trump from
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Speaker 1: the very beginning, which is he's too liberal for us. Yes,
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Speaker 1: exactly too much of a Democrat for me. And this
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Speaker 1: is an old school protectionists make up excuses for lefty
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Speaker 1: policies kind of pitch, and I anti. The other problem
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Speaker 1: with it is that a I just like a lot
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Speaker 1: of choices. So if I pass on all the subtitle movies, fine,
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Speaker 1: but I want to have those choices. Him saying we
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Speaker 1: should have fewer choices of either movies or dolls is
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Speaker 1: not good. But we also are a net exporter of services. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we are a service nation. So if we decide that
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Speaker 1: we're going to tear off services and entertainment and people
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Speaker 1: decide they're going to retaliate, that's gonna go badly for us, right.
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Speaker 2: Considering we make most of the movies. Still, you know,
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Speaker 2: the protectionist stuff, I don't like it, but I particularly
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Speaker 2: don't like it when it's protecting industries that cause the
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Speaker 2: protectionism in the first place, and so right, it becomes
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Speaker 2: like there are other industries that I would quick be
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Speaker 2: quicker to protect. Although again I don't think the presidency
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Speaker 2: picking winners and losers at all. I'm stating that very clearly.
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Speaker 2: But if you're going to protect certain industries, Hollywood is
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Speaker 2: the one that you've picked.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Why why these folks don't need your help man?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Look, I think if we've seen anything from
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Speaker 2: California since the fires, it's that they will not learn lessons.
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Speaker 2: They refuse to learn lessons. The politicians just absolutely will
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Speaker 2: keep doing what they're doing. The people seem poised to
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Speaker 2: keep reelecting those politicians. After a while, it has to
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Speaker 2: be their problem, their economy, and the fact that movies
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Speaker 2: films have left Hollywood has to be their problem.
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Speaker 1: Yes, like y'all create hated this issue, I would say,
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Speaker 1: as far as it goes with California possibly learning a lesson,
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Speaker 1: I have enjoyed seeing Steve Hilton, who is a Republican
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Speaker 1: running for governor, used to be Fox News host and
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Speaker 1: he has this great branding which is all beautiful, yellow, bright, sunny,
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Speaker 1: and the tag is golden again. And I just think
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Speaker 1: as far as simple political messaging goes. Even the most
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Speaker 1: hardened lib California has to be like ooh ooh, that
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Speaker 1: doesn't sound okay, right, I hope they lean into it.
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Speaker 2: I like Steve Hilton a lot, but I always have
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Speaker 2: hope that places of California and New York will turn
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Speaker 2: themselves around, and they always disappoint me. But I would
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Speaker 2: love to see Steve Hilton make a run of it
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Speaker 2: and show California what they can be again. And really,
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Speaker 2: I don't want to say make them great again, but
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Speaker 2: really make them great again, make them well, make them
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Speaker 2: the kind of place that people will want to make
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Speaker 2: movies in again.
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Speaker 1: Yep, it could be done, but you'd have to give
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Speaker 1: more than like four permits in four months after to
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Speaker 1: rebuild homes after these devastating files. They're fires like that
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Speaker 1: would be part of Yeah, that would be part of it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be right back on normally.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: Another incident over the Crazy Weekend on Saturday, apparently Barstool
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Speaker 2: Sports owns bars. I did not know this. It's a
10:29
Speaker 2: great idea though, like Barstool is I think really capturing
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Speaker 2: a large segment of the young males. Dave Portnoy is
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Speaker 2: a hero to many of them, he is the fearless leader.
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Speaker 2: So apparently at the barstool Sansum Street in downtown Philadelphia
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Speaker 2: over the weekend, when you order bottle service, you can
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Speaker 2: order a sign with it, so you could be like,
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Speaker 2: happy birthday, Mary Catherine, you know whatever. Apparently a group
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Speaker 2: ordered f the Jews, and the bar people made the
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Speaker 2: sign for them. Those people have been wired.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like the first thing right keeping should have
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Speaker 1: happened there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, or like somebody should be like this is a
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Speaker 2: poor idea. But apparently they made the sign, and Dave Portnoy,
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Speaker 2: who owns the bar, is Jewish.
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Speaker 1: Video of course on video proudly.
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Speaker 2: They were all very happy and dancing around with the sign. Now,
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Speaker 2: of course the proverbial should have hit the fan, and
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Speaker 2: they are saying, you know, who are these people, Let's
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Speaker 2: find them. One of them is a Temple University student
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Speaker 2: who has been named Dave Portnoy took to X saying
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Speaker 2: that he was flaming mad and he was shaking, and
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Speaker 2: he was so angry about this, and you know, I
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Speaker 2: feel him. That's it makes me angry too. And it's
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Speaker 2: an his own bar, and I'm sure that it has
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Speaker 2: to be painful and hard. His initial reaction was, I
12:07
Speaker 2: will find these people and end them for that. I
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Speaker 2: am very much for the idea of you do something
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Speaker 2: like that, you should be named your name. I'm not saying,
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Speaker 2: you know, kick them out of school or anything, which
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Speaker 2: actually turns out to be a possibility as some of
12:24
Speaker 2: them go to Temple University. I'm not saying ruin their lives,
12:28
Speaker 2: but there absolutely should be consequences to this kind of thing.
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Speaker 2: But then his follow up tweet is he spoke to
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Speaker 2: some people and now he thinks that he will be
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Speaker 2: sending the students of the people involved on a trip
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Speaker 2: to Auschwitz to take a tour of the Auschwitz death
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Speaker 2: camp and teach them about the Holocaust. And I hate this.
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Speaker 2: I hate this so much. I hate this from the
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Speaker 2: bottom of my soul. I'm okay with teaching. I'm okay
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Speaker 2: with showing people the way. I'm okay with talking people
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Speaker 2: out of hate, which I think is a very difficult
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Speaker 2: thing to do, and I don't think it's that possible.
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Speaker 2: I think the people need to come to it on
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Speaker 2: their own right. Showing them Holocaust stuff just has never
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Speaker 2: worked for me. And if you recall, maybe about ten
13:18
Speaker 2: years ago, there was a DC City councilman who said
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Speaker 2: the Jews control the weather. The first thing people did
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Speaker 2: was take him to the Holocaust Museum. He left the
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Speaker 2: tour halfway through because he was like, oh, you know,
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Speaker 2: these people are not going to be like wow, other
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Speaker 2: people hated Jews, so I shouldn't. That's never going to
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Speaker 2: be the lesson. What do you think?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so one, I appreciate that Portnoy was actually mad
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Speaker 1: about it. Yeah. And our friend Adam Rubinstein, I think,
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Speaker 1: was tweeting, Oh, I'm surprised to see stool presidente, which
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Speaker 1: is what his ex handle, is more morally outraged by
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Speaker 1: anti Semitism than Harvard and Columbia, right, And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I'm not, no, maybe ei there. Portnoy is very outspoken,
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Speaker 1: pretty ballsy, pretty clear eyed on some stuff. I would
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Speaker 1: say I often end up falling in the same category
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Speaker 1: as him. I feel like I might be a barstool Republican,
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Speaker 1: like that's I can see that actually kind of where
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Speaker 1: I am.
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Speaker 2: You're gonna hang your saturdays for the boys?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, outside, well, and he created what he did. By
14:23
Speaker 1: the way, the reason he's so successful is that he
14:26
Speaker 1: created Fox News for sports, right, So it's just filling
14:31
Speaker 1: a gap for people who want news about sports that's
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Speaker 1: not explicitly leftist. Like that's what he did. He was like,
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Speaker 1: let's let's do that and let's make it fun. So
14:44
Speaker 1: he did that, and then he also likes pizza, so
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Speaker 1: that that took off as well, because who doesn't like pizza? Pizza?
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Speaker 1: I liked that he was angry about it, and it
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Speaker 1: was more clear eyed than Harvard or any of the
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Speaker 1: Ivys have been about this, because it takes them a
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Speaker 1: year and a half to put together. There a three
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Speaker 1: hundred page report that is also presented alongside an Islamophobia report,
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Speaker 1: because you couldn't just do anti of course. Yeah, but
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Speaker 1: I do agree with you that, like a trip to
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Speaker 1: Europe is not what these people deserve, right, I'm big on.
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Speaker 2: You should give trips to Europe to the people who
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Speaker 2: have supported you, not people who despise you. You know,
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Speaker 2: I've been saying this the whole time. I think the
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Speaker 2: Jewish community needs to do a much better job of
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Speaker 2: celebrating people who have been so good to us. Obviously
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Speaker 2: I include you in that, guy Benson. I include so
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Speaker 2: many amazing people, and I don't think we do that enough,
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Speaker 2: and instead we send people like this to Europe too,
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Speaker 2: and you know these people are going to be like
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Speaker 2: hanging out in bars in Poland, like they're not going
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Speaker 2: to be I just can't picture the kind of person
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Speaker 2: who ate doesn't know about the Holocaust, doesn't know enough
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Speaker 2: about the Holocaust, but then will be moved by the
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Speaker 2: Holocaust when they see that people that they also hate
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Speaker 2: have been murdered, you know, and mass I just I
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Speaker 2: can't picture how that works.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you also make a good point about
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Speaker 1: you've said taking them on a tour of the weakest
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Speaker 1: moment for the Jewish people. Yeah, maybe isn't the thing,
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Speaker 1: right And by the way, by that token, if you're
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Speaker 1: going to give them a fully funded trip somewhere, maybe
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Speaker 1: to right in the middle of Israel and be like this,
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Speaker 1: this is where the themselves, how do you like that?
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Speaker 1: So go to a little IDF tour. But yeah, I
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Speaker 1: do think there is this big modern question of what
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Speaker 1: is the thing that you teach, how is the way
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Speaker 1: that you teach it. Because all of the money that
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Speaker 1: went into all of the Holocaust museums so that we
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Speaker 1: could say never again post October seventh, that became quite
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Speaker 1: clear that a bunch of people had seen those museums
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Speaker 1: and they didn't care.
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Speaker 2: Right, Not only did that care, they saw that as
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Speaker 2: like either a blueprint or something that they had to deny.
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Speaker 2: They had to say that this never happened in order
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Speaker 2: for them to have the views that they have. I
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Speaker 2: just again, if you're in a bar and that's the
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Speaker 2: sign you pick, I don't want to say you're beyond help.
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Speaker 2: Because it sounded like their parents were mortified, and I
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Speaker 2: hope that I hope so, I hope this isn't something
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Speaker 2: that they grew up with in their homes. I hope
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Speaker 2: that this is just something stupid that they did drunkenly
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Speaker 2: one night. But I just I've been drunk, I've been stupid.
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Speaker 1: I just this.
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Speaker 2: I've never been like, you know, what we should put
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Speaker 2: on the sign, like you know, I'd put like Jimmy's
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Speaker 2: an asshole. I wouldn't put, you know, Like, I just
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Speaker 2: I just cannot give them the kind of leeway that
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Speaker 2: I'm supposed to give them. And of course when I
17:41
Speaker 2: tweet about this, I get a lot of like, well,
17:43
Speaker 2: this is why people hate Jews, Like I don't think
17:45
Speaker 2: that this is why people hate Jews. Actually, because we
17:48
Speaker 2: have refused.
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Speaker 1: To just like, because you're mad at the f the jewice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I'm not sure that's it. I don't
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Speaker 2: know that that's really it.
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Speaker 1: And so.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope Dave Portnoy changes his mind on that. Again,
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Speaker 2: you don't need to destroy these people alive. You want
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Speaker 2: to have conversations with them.
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Speaker 3: Do it.
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Speaker 2: But a free trip to Europe to see our weakest
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Speaker 2: point too, you know, I just don't get it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and also just Harvard and Columbia, take a
18:20
Speaker 1: look at what it looks like when someone's upset about
18:24
Speaker 1: anti Semitism on the institution that they started. Exactly, that's
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Speaker 1: what it looks like when somebody is ticked off, right.
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Speaker 2: Dana White actually was very good on it. Also, there
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Speaker 2: was an MMA fighter that did a podcast denying the
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Speaker 2: Holocaust and it was like his first episode of the podcast,
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Speaker 2: and Dana White went on this like rip of him,
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Speaker 2: and he said, I'm not going to take away his
18:50
Speaker 2: right to speak and say what he wants. I'm not
18:52
Speaker 2: going to fire him, but I just want to say
18:54
Speaker 2: he's a moron and it has been hitting the head too often.
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Speaker 2: But he was mad, he was angry that this guy
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Speaker 2: was getting to use his business to kind of promote
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Speaker 2: himself in order to say this kind of stupid stuff.
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Speaker 1: That fighter also got knocked out, and Dave Portnoy was
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Speaker 1: at that knockout with an Israeli flag wearing a yamaka
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Speaker 1: I believe to wait in the crowd. So yeah again,
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Speaker 1: Colombia and Harvard, maybe take a look at yeah, look
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Speaker 1: at at the Portnoy and Dana White pr I don't
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Speaker 1: know if they're going to look there, but there's a
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Speaker 1: lot more clarity than they have.
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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, We're going to take a short break and
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Speaker 2: come right back with normally our last topic today, Running
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Speaker 2: is a privileged to marry Catherine.
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Speaker 1: So this is this is one of these like influencer
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Speaker 1: micro controversies, but it says a lot about where we are.
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Speaker 1: So there's a running influencer and I believe her name
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Speaker 1: is Kate Max. I'm not sure exactly how you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, KZ, I hear you miss Max on the Z ending.
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Speaker 2: I understand I did not.
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Speaker 1: I did not follow her before I do now. And
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Speaker 1: here's why this is the cut reporting on this. By
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Speaker 1: the way, just so you can understand where the tone
20:14
Speaker 1: is coming from. It says in times like these what's
20:18
Speaker 1: so wrong with doing a little puff piece about the
20:20
Speaker 1: White House and it's press secretary a lot? Actually, that's
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Speaker 1: what running influencer Kate Max found out this week when
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Speaker 1: she posted a video in which she gleefully interviewed the
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Speaker 1: mouthpiece of the Trump administration, Caroline Levitt. Turns out that's
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Speaker 1: not really the content her followers wanted to see. Jog
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Speaker 1: along with me while I answer your questions about this
20:38
Speaker 1: whole ordeal. Okay, we'll play just the beginning of this
20:41
Speaker 1: little influencer vid where she just does. She tapes herself,
20:45
Speaker 1: she tapes Caroline, and generally she goes running with each
20:48
Speaker 1: person she does this with, whether it's the guy who
20:51
Speaker 1: played I think she's done with Patrick Swarzenegger recently. She's
20:55
Speaker 1: done one with Tim Wallas in the past. We will
20:58
Speaker 1: get to that. But here she is just getting an
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Speaker 1: insure to Caroline Lovett and then doing a walkthrough of
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Speaker 1: the White House. Hey, how many miles are you running today?
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Speaker 3: No miles, because we're at the beautiful White House. But
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Speaker 3: why don't I give you a tour?
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Speaker 1: Let's do it.
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Speaker 3: My name is Caroline Lovett. I am from New Hampshire
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Speaker 3: and I am the White House Press secretary, and this
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Speaker 3: is the beautiful White House. We're currently walking on what
21:17
Speaker 3: we call Pebble Beach. This is where all of the
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Speaker 3: press hang out. Guys, we have to stop for a
21:21
Speaker 3: second and look at this.
21:22
Speaker 4: I can't believe you get to wake up and be here.
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Speaker 3: Every single day.
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Speaker 1: And is this a dream come true for you?
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Speaker 3: It is a dream come true. The White House is
21:29
Speaker 3: so beautiful, especially this time of year. So that's where
21:32
Speaker 3: President Trump and the first family live.
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Speaker 1: So she goes, she's our a tour of the press room,
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Speaker 1: all this stuff. Okay, My only complaint about this video
21:39
Speaker 1: is that they should they just should have run for
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Speaker 1: the video because Caroline is an athlete and that's the
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Speaker 1: format that she generally follows. But I get it, it's
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Speaker 1: the White House. The objection, of course, is that nothing
21:52
Speaker 1: can be done around the White House. Well Donald Trump
21:56
Speaker 1: is in office. That is not explicitly made to tear down
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Right, we cannot normalize Caroline Levitt by chatting
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Speaker 1: with her as she gives you a tour of the
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Speaker 1: White House. And Kate is very clearly acting as if, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is cool. I'm at the White.
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Speaker 2: House because it is cool.
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Speaker 1: That's how normal people react. And a lot of the
22:20
Speaker 1: Internet was upset by this, so they went after I
22:24
Speaker 1: followed her because I'm like, girl, you didn't do anything wrong,
22:28
Speaker 1: Like everybody needs to calm down. And of course, if
22:32
Speaker 1: this had been a democratic press secretary spouting whatever her
22:36
Speaker 1: boss wants her to spout, no problem, the Internet would
22:41
Speaker 1: have been fine with it. The silliest response, which also
22:45
Speaker 1: went viral, is from Hope Waltz, who is Tim Waltz's daughter,
22:50
Speaker 1: and she objects to this content because it's on the
22:52
Speaker 1: same page as a pinned video of her dad running
22:57
Speaker 1: with Kate. So here here's a little bit about the
22:59
Speaker 1: sport of running as conceptualized by the Walls family.
23:03
Speaker 4: Running as an act is political. And you know who
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Speaker 4: taught me that, Tim Walls. The first thing he told
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Speaker 4: me when I was first getting into it in high school. Granted,
23:12
Speaker 4: I don't really do it as much anymore. I go
23:14
Speaker 4: in spurts, but when I was first getting into it
23:15
Speaker 4: in high school, the first thing he told me was
23:18
Speaker 4: that running is a privilege, and being a part of
23:20
Speaker 4: the running community is a privilege that not all people
23:23
Speaker 4: have access to. Whether you do it recreationally or you
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Speaker 4: race a lot or you are, you know, at the
23:29
Speaker 4: elite level, it is a privilege, whether it be you
23:32
Speaker 4: just having the time to run, access to funds to
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Speaker 4: buy the gear, access to you know, healthy quality foods
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Speaker 4: that fuel you as your training and as you're running,
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Speaker 4: access to you know, a safe, stable situation that allows
23:50
Speaker 4: you to be in a good mental state to be
23:51
Speaker 4: able to run. All of those things are hard to
23:55
Speaker 4: come by, and if you have them and are a
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Speaker 4: part of the running community, that is a privilege. And
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Speaker 4: that again was the first thing he taught me. I
24:05
Speaker 4: don't really understand our platforms.
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Speaker 1: She goes on, and we're going to listen to more
24:09
Speaker 1: of this, but can I just interject with a couple
24:12
Speaker 1: of things. The first thing he taught you about running,
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Speaker 1: like not not hydrate, tell a friend you're running route,
24:22
Speaker 1: stretch your quads, like none of those things. The first
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Speaker 1: thing was this is a political act. Second gear for
24:31
Speaker 1: running shoes and actually not even shoes. Sometimes some of
24:36
Speaker 1: the best long distance runners come from developing countries where
24:40
Speaker 1: they run barefoot, because there is a theory that that
24:44
Speaker 1: is in fact the best way to a long distance run.
24:48
Speaker 1: So there's that we can take gear of the off
24:51
Speaker 1: the table. Healthy food the trashiest possible food is the
24:55
Speaker 1: best food for fueling when you are running. When you
24:57
Speaker 1: are running a marathon, you get to eat Reese's pea
25:00
Speaker 1: butter cups while you're running the marathon.
25:02
Speaker 2: Man, you should, I should do that, just trash.
25:04
Speaker 1: Because it's just quick carbs. That's all you need, right okay,
25:08
Speaker 1: And then of course safety to run. This is so
25:13
Speaker 1: silly and overwrought, and we're gonna let her go on
25:16
Speaker 1: because it gets dumber.
25:19
Speaker 4: Platforming and administration that cuts mental health services, cuts you
25:24
Speaker 4: know funding and literal shipments to food banks, is entirely
25:29
Speaker 4: hurting the climate. Because you can get into running in
25:31
Speaker 4: the climate. That's a whole nother thing. But it's cutting
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Speaker 4: you know, funds to climate initiatives and actively hurting the
25:39
Speaker 4: planet in that way, sending people away without due process, villainizing,
25:45
Speaker 4: villainizing minorities, all of those things are preventing people from
25:49
Speaker 4: getting into the running community, which is what I thought
25:51
Speaker 4: Kate's platform was for. But it's also just damaging to
25:55
Speaker 4: society as a whole. We should not be normalizing these people.
25:58
Speaker 4: I'm not going to tell anyone what to do with
25:59
Speaker 4: their pay, but I think it's insulting to my dad
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Speaker 4: to leave a certain video pinned, especially when he stands for,
26:05
Speaker 4: quite literally the opposite of what this is administration is doing.
26:08
Speaker 4: You don't get to both sides this, it's not both sides.
26:13
Speaker 4: We are quite literally talking about good versus evil here,
26:16
Speaker 4: and I'm just really disappointed the whole thing happened. I
26:19
Speaker 4: was there when that video with my dad was filmed,
26:21
Speaker 4: and I was very impressed with Kate, and this is
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Speaker 4: just extremely disappointing, insane.
26:27
Speaker 2: I don't say this a lot, actually insane, but this
26:30
Speaker 2: is why you lost. This is why you lost. You
26:32
Speaker 2: do this to people, and this is why people don't
26:37
Speaker 2: want to be associated with the Democrats right now. It
26:40
Speaker 2: is a toxic brand because of this kind of stuff.
26:44
Speaker 2: Cancel Culture, for example, was always largely a left on
26:48
Speaker 2: left phenomenon. So it's not enough that Kate had a
26:51
Speaker 2: video with Tim Walls as she pinned to the top
26:54
Speaker 2: of her page. She also has to walk the line
26:57
Speaker 2: and do exactly as they say after Tim Walls is
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Speaker 2: no longer running after that's already over. And the reason
27:04
Speaker 2: that Hope Walls feels so comfortable targeting Kate Max, I
27:08
Speaker 2: think is because it is the way to get somebody
27:12
Speaker 2: who is sensibly on the left herself, Kate Matts, I
27:15
Speaker 2: assume is a liberal. She wants to get her back
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Speaker 2: in line and say you're not allowed to do this,
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Speaker 2: we don't do this, And she gives this insane list
27:24
Speaker 2: of reasons why that ends up, including you know, immigration
27:28
Speaker 2: and climate change and who knows, and ties it back
27:31
Speaker 2: to running, like that's a real thing.
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Speaker 1: It's just not. It's just not. And I would argue
27:37
Speaker 1: that to the extent anyone is preventing people from getting
27:40
Speaker 1: into the running community, it's people who talk like this, yeah,
27:44
Speaker 1: who convince people that getting into that community would be
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Speaker 1: scary and weird and bad because you seem weird. I
27:50
Speaker 1: don't you Imagining that there's these giant barriers to going
27:56
Speaker 1: on a run and telling people that it's super hard
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Speaker 1: because of the climate is not encouraging tell people to run.
28:04
Speaker 2: She's also discouraged.
28:05
Speaker 1: Yes, I also enjoyed. You've been thoroughly discouraged. You can
28:11
Speaker 1: put it on her. I also enjoy that she's not
28:14
Speaker 1: going to tell anyone what to do with their page,
28:16
Speaker 1: except that she is exactly telling someone what to do
28:19
Speaker 1: with her page. And then finally, the pathetic appeal to authority,
28:23
Speaker 1: which is proximity to her dad while he filmed an
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Speaker 1: influencer video when he was running his failed campaign for
28:31
Speaker 1: vice president. I'm not impressed. I'm not impressed.
28:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are just weird, I know.
28:38
Speaker 1: And then the part where she's like, I was really
28:40
Speaker 1: impressed with Kate. Maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe
28:45
Speaker 1: it's not just that Kate agreed with you on politics
28:48
Speaker 1: or seemed to in the moment. Maybe it's because Kate
28:51
Speaker 1: was worth being impressed with, and that's why she has
28:53
Speaker 1: a huge following.
28:55
Speaker 2: I can't think did this happen to anybody on the
28:58
Speaker 2: opposite side? Has anybody been targeted for visiting the Biden
29:02
Speaker 2: White I said warehouse Biden.
29:06
Speaker 1: I mean it's sort of warehouse in there for four years,
29:08
Speaker 1: so fair enough.
29:10
Speaker 2: The Biden White House over the last four years, I
29:13
Speaker 2: cannot think of a single incident. And I can't imagine
29:15
Speaker 2: what that would look like if you went to the
29:17
Speaker 2: Biden where what's wrong with me? The Biden White House?
29:23
Speaker 2: Would there be outrage? Would there be people saying, how
29:27
Speaker 2: dare you? I don't think so.
29:29
Speaker 1: I think there might be, like there might be some complaints,
29:32
Speaker 1: but I don't know that it is. It's a asserting
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Speaker 1: that high up.
29:37
Speaker 2: You know, it would be Randos on Twitter.
29:39
Speaker 1: It wouldn't get written up in the cut, right, it
29:41
Speaker 1: wouldn't be this imposed punishment that is meant. It isn't
29:46
Speaker 1: just meant for Kate, by the way, It's meant for
29:48
Speaker 1: whoever comes. Oh yeah, right, that's the idea behind this.
29:53
Speaker 1: And I also just think the way that they are
29:57
Speaker 1: the left is letting go of all of the totally
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Speaker 1: normal things now that now running's gonna be one of
30:03
Speaker 1: them where they're like they're like ew icky running right coded?
30:08
Speaker 2: Uh.
30:09
Speaker 1: I think we discussed last week how like weightlifting and
30:13
Speaker 1: going to the gym is becoming right coded, wearing cross necklaces.
30:17
Speaker 2: Right. The new one today is protein.
30:20
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just gonna say this. You're reading my mind.
30:23
Speaker 1: I'll read the Vanity Fair headline, why are Americans so
30:27
Speaker 1: obsessed with protein? Blame Maga from the Liver King to
30:31
Speaker 1: the podcast Bros. To RFK Junior's Maha constituents, America's infatuation
30:35
Speaker 1: with protein has reached a fever pitch, and it's undeniably gendered.
30:41
Speaker 2: Good. I just I've been craving steak so I think
30:45
Speaker 2: I've gone to maga.
30:47
Speaker 1: Protein's good for you. Yeah, protein's good for you. If
30:50
Speaker 1: you ate a bunch of protein instead of whatever the
30:52
Speaker 1: government told you to do with that stupid pyramid for
30:54
Speaker 1: the last generation, you'd be in better health. And this
30:58
Speaker 1: is the thing that kills me about all the journalists,
31:00
Speaker 1: is like they have a chance to do something interesting.
31:03
Speaker 1: When she says it's gendered, what she means is that
31:06
Speaker 1: eating protein is manisphere coded. That's not the interesting story.
31:11
Speaker 1: The interesting story is that women are finally getting the
31:14
Speaker 1: message that rice cakes are not the best yes for them.
31:18
Speaker 2: Totally.
31:19
Speaker 1: It's interesting that a bunch of women in their forties
31:21
Speaker 1: are actually protein loading, Like that's the interesting, counterintuitive trend.
31:27
Speaker 1: But she can't see that, because the only reason you
31:29
Speaker 1: can write about crosses or weightlifting or protein is when
31:32
Speaker 1: you can pathologize it as a righty thing.
31:35
Speaker 2: And fit it into your preconceived ideas about the world.
31:40
Speaker 2: It's so dull, it's so weird. Just be normal.
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Speaker 1: Oh anyway, kay, Max, give her a follow if you.
31:48
Speaker 1: I'm not a big runner anymore, but you know, I
31:51
Speaker 1: appreciate the.
31:52
Speaker 2: Effort, So yeah, I appreciate lifting.
31:56
Speaker 1: Now because IgA anyway.
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