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"Cult Mom" Lori Vallow Dealth Penalty for Murdering Her Two Children? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the last hours a
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Speaker 1: major decision in the cult Mom Laurie Valo case. As
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Speaker 1: you will recall, Valo led police on a wild goose
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Speaker 1: chase trying to find her children JJ entirely was much
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Speaker 1: much later that their remains, dismembered, burned, buried in a
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Speaker 1: pet cemetery were found. I Meanancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and Serious M one eleven. Guess what cult Mom is
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Speaker 1: going to trial? Take a listen to this. Finally we
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Speaker 1: will see Laurie Valobar reigned on charges of first degree
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Speaker 1: murder in conspiracy to commit murder. Her court appearance is
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Speaker 1: set for next two day in the Fremont County Courthouse
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Speaker 1: of Idaho, the first time she'll be seen in court
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Speaker 1: since last May when she was indicted by a grand jury.
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Speaker 1: So here's what's happening now. According to the court order,
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Speaker 1: Valo's competency is now restored, she's fit to proceed, and
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Speaker 1: she will no longer be in the custody of the
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Speaker 1: Department of Health and Welfare. Transferred from an Idaho State
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Speaker 1: hospital to the Fremont County Sheriff ahead of her raiment.
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Speaker 1: Since last June, Valo has been deemed incompetent for more
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Speaker 1: than two hundred and seventy days. She's been treated until
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Speaker 1: she could be restored. Prosecutors in Idaho say she and
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Speaker 1: her husband and codefend and Chad daybel used their religious
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Speaker 1: beliefs to justify the killings of her two kids, seven
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Speaker 1: year old JJ Valo and sixteen year old Tyleye Ryan,
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Speaker 1: along with Daybelle's first wife, Tammy Daybell. Tammy sudden death
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Speaker 1: happened in the October in October of twenty nineteen in
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Speaker 1: the Daybell home. The children's remains were found on Daybell's
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Speaker 1: property in June of twenty twenty, about nine months after
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Speaker 1: their disappearance. You're here in your friend, said Fox Tan,
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Speaker 1: And you heard right. It's been months and months and
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Speaker 1: months on hold, waiting for justice in the murders of
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Speaker 1: this little boy JJ and big sister Tiley at the
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Speaker 1: hands according to police of Mommy Coltman Laurie Vallo, and
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Speaker 1: her brand new husband, I think husband number four, Chad
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Speaker 1: day Bell, the doomsday prophet who predicted the end of
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Speaker 1: the world with me and I'll star panel to make
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Speaker 1: sense of what we know. James shell Nutt twenty seven
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Speaker 1: years metro major case detective, former SWAT, now lawyer with
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Speaker 1: a shell Nutt Law firm. Karen start Were now psychologists
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Speaker 1: joining us out of New York at Karen Stark dot com.
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Speaker 1: Karen with a see Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: He's the star of a brand new hit series, Bodybags
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Speaker 1: with Joseph Scott Morgan on iHeart Cheryl McCollum, Founder and
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Speaker 1: Director of the Cold Case Research Institute at Coaldcase Crimes
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Speaker 1: dot org. But first to a very special guest I
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Speaker 1: now called a friend and colleague who has been on
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Speaker 1: this case from the beginning. One of my favorite things
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Speaker 1: he ever did was when cult mom Laurie Valoe, while
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Speaker 1: her children were missing, orders a wedding dress, a beach
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Speaker 1: b Eah beach wedding dress online on her husband's Amazon
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Speaker 1: account after he's dead, wait, wait, before he's dead, and
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Speaker 1: takes off to Hawaii and has a beach wedding. So
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Speaker 1: either she's clairvoyant or she's a killer. All right, While
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Speaker 1: she said Hawaii, she's hounded by the press, and you
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Speaker 1: see this hand appear over and over chasing Lorie Value, say,
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Speaker 1: where are your children? Aren't you worried about your children?
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Speaker 1: Are they here? Do you have them hidden away somewhere?
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Speaker 1: That was Nate Eden. Nate Eaton followed this woman all
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Speaker 1: the way to Hawaii. Nate Eaton joining me right now,
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Speaker 1: news director East Idaho News dot Com. Nate Eden. This
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Speaker 1: has been a long row to hoe, has it not. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're looking at over two years now now, two years, yes,
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Speaker 1: two years. It's actually nearly two and a half since
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Speaker 1: that JJ Enthighly were killed. They weren't just killed. They
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Speaker 1: weren't killed because you know, there's five ways to die,
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Speaker 1: all right, according to medical examiners. I mean, there's a
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Speaker 1: million ways you can be killed. But there's suicide, there
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Speaker 1: is accident, there's natural death, there's undetermined, and there's homicide.
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Speaker 1: All right. They were murdered. They didn't just fall into
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Speaker 1: a shallow grave on their new step dad's property in
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Speaker 1: the pet cemetery. They were murdered. Go ahead. The condition
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Speaker 1: of their bodies, you might recall Nancy two grafted to
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Speaker 1: even describe, but no, no, it's not, No, it's not
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Speaker 1: because a jury's going to hear it, and our listeners
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Speaker 1: are going to hear it. So tell them how these
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Speaker 1: two children were found. Hylee was found in pieces. She
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Speaker 1: had been dismembered, she had been burned. They were sifting
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Speaker 1: through dirt looking for bone fragments. That's how horrific her
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Speaker 1: body condition was. Everybody, remember this was a teen girl,
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Speaker 1: just sixteen years old, Tyleie Ryan, And you heard Nate
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Speaker 1: ate and say dismembered, burned, digging sifting through dirt, trying
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Speaker 1: to find bone fragments, piece of tiley, all right, go ahead,
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Speaker 1: And they were actually able to find a piece of
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Speaker 1: her tissue, which is how they were able to identify her.
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Speaker 1: And JJ, the cute little boy was found wrapped in
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Speaker 1: tight plastic and duct tape. That was duct tape across
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Speaker 1: his head, across his wrists, wearing his red pajama pans
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Speaker 1: that he had gone to bed in the night before.
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Speaker 1: So there was obviously, or it appeared, some thoughts that
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Speaker 1: went into this as to what happened. And you mentioned,
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Speaker 1: Nancy that it's been a long road two hundred and
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Speaker 1: seventy days since Laurie was declared incompetent and that decision
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Speaker 1: her attorney filed that motion at the time of her incompetency,
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Speaker 1: two days after the indictment came down. So she sat
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Speaker 1: in jail for over a year on other charges that
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Speaker 1: weren't as serious. But then once those murder charges came down,
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Speaker 1: suddenly her attorney filed emotion saying, wait, my client is
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Speaker 1: no longer competent. She was sent away to a state hospital.
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Speaker 1: That's what we call a hail, Mary, explain it shall not.
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Speaker 1: Let's called a hill Mary, because you know that your
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Speaker 1: blind is guilty, You know that your client is the
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Speaker 1: subject of a national media trial, and you know your
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Speaker 1: client's going to prison, and you just throw anything up
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Speaker 1: the skill of stick or worse, prison or worse. Now,
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Speaker 1: let me understand, there are seeking the death penalty on
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Speaker 1: the new husband, Chad day Bill, the stepfather. Why not
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Speaker 1: ult mom Laurie Valley. Well, they haven't said if they
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Speaker 1: are are not. What has to happen is when she
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Speaker 1: is arranged next week. At that moment she is arraigned,
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Speaker 1: they have sixty days in Idaho to declare whether they're
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Speaker 1: going to pursue it on her or not. So because
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Speaker 1: Chad was arragned last year, they've already declared that. The
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Speaker 1: interesting thing to note is that attorney I mentioned who
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Speaker 1: had Laurie, who declared the incompetency. He's off the case.
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Speaker 1: Oh what happened to him? The judge disqualified him because
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Speaker 1: he originally represented both Chad and Laurie, and you can't
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Speaker 1: represent two people in a conspiracy case. Laurie's new attorney
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Speaker 1: is a public defender who has done multiple death penalty cases,
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Speaker 1: high profile case. Hold on just a moment, I want
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Speaker 1: to talk about what you just said to James Shellnutt,
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Speaker 1: former law enforcement twenty two years on the force. You
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Speaker 1: can't just pass the bar and walk in, waltz in
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Speaker 1: and tried death penalty case. You have to have years
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Speaker 1: of experience under your belt. Typically you've had to sit
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Speaker 1: second chair with a primary trying a death penalty case.
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Speaker 1: I mean, when I had my first death penalty case,
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Speaker 1: it was the murders of two little babies that were
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Speaker 1: burned alive because of a gang argument, not between the
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Speaker 1: male members, between the female members of the gang over
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Speaker 1: some clothes. So they threw a Molotov cocktail into an
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Speaker 1: apartment and screamed out, let's fry them babies. Okay, that said,
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Speaker 1: so you can't at no offense to the lawyer, but
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Speaker 1: if he does not have death penalty experience, he can't
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Speaker 1: just come in and try this case. No God gree
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Speaker 1: with you. And the tip off also in addition to that,
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Speaker 1: is that you're representing two defendants in a criminal case.
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Speaker 1: As long was their interest stayed the exact same, that's fine.
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Speaker 1: But at some points throughout the case, if their interest
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Speaker 1: to urge their stories complete, you think there's gonna be
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Speaker 1: a favor pointing contest, they're going to throw you off
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Speaker 1: both cases, which is exactly what happened here. For those
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Speaker 1: of you that need to have your recollections refreshed. And
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Speaker 1: oh my goodness, Cheryl McCollum, you've been in the court
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Speaker 1: with me many times when I said you're on or
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Speaker 1: may I approach the witness with this document in order
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Speaker 1: to refresh their recollection. In other words, they were not
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Speaker 1: testifying to what they told me they were going to testify,
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Speaker 1: and apparently I had to give them some document to
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Speaker 1: jog their amory. I want you to take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut thirteen, he said. Katie v. B. Boise
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Speaker 1: September twenty second, the last time JJ Vaalo was seen
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Speaker 1: police interviewed Melanie Gibb and her boyfriend David Warwick, who
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Speaker 1: were visiting Lorie that weekend. They told police Lourie said
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Speaker 1: JJ had turned into a zombie. The next morning, September
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Speaker 1: twenty third, between eight and nine am, Warwick didn't see
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Speaker 1: JJ and asked where he was. Burie stated he was
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Speaker 1: acting out, so quote Alex had come and taken JJ.
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Speaker 1: GPS data once again puts Alex on Chad's property that
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Speaker 1: day from nine fifty five am until ten to twelve am,
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Speaker 1: paying near the pond. All this evidence started coming to
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Speaker 1: light around the first part of June twenty twenty. Just
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Speaker 1: days later, June ninth, police searched Chad's property. They focused
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Speaker 1: on sites corresponding to the GPS from Alex's phone and
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Speaker 1: the strange text to Tammy. JJ and Tigley's bodies were
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Speaker 1: found in those areas near the pond and fire crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace think back just a moment, Nate
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Speaker 1: Eaton joining us from East Idaho News dot Com. Nate
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Speaker 1: called Mom Laurie Valo would tell anybody that would listen listen,
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Speaker 1: her children had turned into quote zombies and that has
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Speaker 1: a peculiar meaning. For her, that means that it's her
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Speaker 1: duty to kill them because she's one of the chosen.
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Speaker 1: I believe it was one hundred and fourteen or one
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Speaker 1: hundred forty four thousand people that would go to heaven,
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Speaker 1: and it was her judy to kill all the possessed
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Speaker 1: spirits on earth. Yea. She believed she and Chad believed
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Speaker 1: they were part of the hundred forty four thousand who
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Speaker 1: would usher in Jesus Christ at his second coming, and
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Speaker 1: that if you became inhibited by a zombie. They had
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Speaker 1: the scale a light and a dark scale, and they
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Speaker 1: would rate people according to the investigators. So if you
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Speaker 1: were a really righteous, good person, you might have a
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Speaker 1: score of light nine or something. If you were dark,
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Speaker 1: you would have a dark score of You would have
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Speaker 1: a dark score as well. But then beneath this chart
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Speaker 1: was the zombie level. And they believe they told their
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Speaker 1: friends the only way that you could get rid of
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Speaker 1: a zombie out of someone is to either prey it
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Speaker 1: out of them, and if that did not work, if
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Speaker 1: you were unable to cast the zombie out of them,
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Speaker 1: the person needed to be destroyed or killed, and they
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Speaker 1: did that thing. Teaching Court documents show if That's what
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Speaker 1: happened with Marie's fourth husband, Charles Valot. He became possessed
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Speaker 1: by this zombie named ned Schneider, and because of that,
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Speaker 1: he ultimately was shot and killed. And then Chad's first wife, Tammy,
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Speaker 1: she also had this possessed zombie and her body. And
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Speaker 1: then of course tragically JJ, entirely JJ became possessed, and
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Speaker 1: they were open about talking about this according to their friends.
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Speaker 1: You know, one of her friends arrived here in Idaho
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Speaker 1: and Laurie fought out, said, JJ's a zombie. He's turned
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Speaker 1: into a zombie. He's climbing all over the cabinets. He
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Speaker 1: knocked down a picture of Jesus that was on the fridge.
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Speaker 1: So they were open about these beliefs with their inner circle,
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Speaker 1: and tragically it led to these deaths. Karen, Sorry, you're
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Speaker 1: the psychologist. Don't you think it's more than a coincidence
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Speaker 1: that everyone that's quote possessed by a demon and it's
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Speaker 1: a zombie. Are people that are standing in the way
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Speaker 1: Chad day Bail having sex with Laurie Valo, his wife,
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Speaker 1: her children, her husband, anybody that irritated them or got
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Speaker 1: on their nerves. Suddenly they were possessed and had to die. Well,
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Speaker 1: that makes me, as a psychologist nanti question what this
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Speaker 1: is all about, because it doesn't make sense if she
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Speaker 1: will mentally and so that people were becoming zandies, if
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Speaker 1: she was schizophrenic and last dating, whatever was going on,
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be that clear that it was only happening
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Speaker 1: to the people that stood in the way of them
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Speaker 1: being together. Now she is not crazy, and that is
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Speaker 1: what the judge has just ruled. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: you our cut eighty our friends at East Idaho Knees.
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Speaker 1: This morning, Judge Stephen Boyce ruled that Laurie Valodae Bell
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Speaker 1: is now competent for trial, meaning her the stay in
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Speaker 1: her case, the pause in her case, which has been
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Speaker 1: in effect since last summer June, will no longer be
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Speaker 1: in effect, and she will be released from the Department
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Speaker 1: of Health and Welfare custody. She has been in Northern
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Speaker 1: Idaho at a facility for the past well I would
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Speaker 1: say in nearly a year, at least eight nine months,
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Speaker 1: and she will now be brought back to Fremont County
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Speaker 1: and she will be arraigned. She will have her initial
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Speaker 1: quart appearance next Tuesday at one o'clock in Fremont County
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Speaker 1: on murder charges for the depths of her children, JJ
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Speaker 1: and Tilely, along with Chad day Bell's wife, Tammy Cheryl McCollum.
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Speaker 1: Of course, her religious theory sound Street term crazy to us,
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Speaker 1: but she is anything but crazy. Remember when the cops
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Speaker 1: were swarming Chad day Bell's farm and they finally went
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Speaker 1: to his pet cemetery. He got on the phone with Tammy,
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Speaker 1: He got, excuse me, that's the dead wife. He got
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Speaker 1: on the phone with Coltman Laurie Vallo, and she said,
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Speaker 1: have they found anything? I believe were her words. She knew,
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Speaker 1: darn well what was going on? That one question to me?
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Speaker 1: Have they found anything? She knew there was something to find.
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Speaker 1: No quick, My husband called me, and when the cops
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Speaker 1: are just shown up, and I'll say, okay, finally let
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Speaker 1: him in. What's up? Give them a bottle of water
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Speaker 1: for beats like, I would never think to say, did
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Speaker 1: they find anything? Right, because there's nothing to find that
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Speaker 1: I know of. Well, I think that's a really important
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Speaker 1: distinction for your listeners to understand. If we were just
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Speaker 1: all at a dinner party saying, hey, do you think
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Speaker 1: this woman is crazy? Honey, she's crazy. He's a rat
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Speaker 1: in a coffee can. However, is she legally insane? Absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: She wants to brag about, oh, zombies and we're gonna
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Speaker 1: take care of this problem. But she doesn't brag that
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Speaker 1: she stopped that zombie, that she destroyed that zombie. She
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Speaker 1: won't do that. She'll just tell you, oh, zombies are
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Speaker 1: out there and we've got to do something about it.
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Speaker 1: The other issue that people need to remember, JJ was
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Speaker 1: duct taped, his hands, his feet, and his mouth. Why
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Speaker 1: would you cover the mouth of a dead person. I
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Speaker 1: believe that baby was alive from that happened to him.
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Speaker 1: Tyley when she was buried, remember, Chad said a text
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Speaker 1: message to his wife talking about, Hey, I shot and
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Speaker 1: killed a raccoon in the pet cemetery. I buried it
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Speaker 1: in case she saw the ground had been disturbed for
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Speaker 1: a you know grave. They covered this up, they've fled
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Speaker 1: and there's no way that she's only crazy when it
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Speaker 1: comes to covering this crime, and every other time she's
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Speaker 1: you know, perfectly, Okay, Yeah, you can't have a selective insanity.
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Speaker 1: And let me ask you this, Nate eaton the fact
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Speaker 1: that she has been held all this time and the
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Speaker 1: custody of Health and Human Services, Health and Welfare. Everybody
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Speaker 1: knows that when you are in the mental ward or
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Speaker 1: the sick bay, you get special treatment. She has had
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Speaker 1: a pretty cushy existence for all this time while she
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Speaker 1: was being evaluated. Well, you could say that with this
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Speaker 1: particular facility, they encourage the residents that are there to
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Speaker 1: dress normal and normal street clothes, so she was not
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Speaker 1: in a jail outfit. She was able to wear what
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Speaker 1: she wanted. She was able to do her hair, she
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Speaker 1: was able to do her makeup, she was able to
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Speaker 1: eat decent food. She did meet with psychologists. We don't
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Speaker 1: know the content of what happened with those counselors, but
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Speaker 1: we do know they filed reports about two weeks ago
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Speaker 1: three different doctors with the Department of Health and Welfare,
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Speaker 1: and those reports went to the judge. So whatever they wrote,
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Speaker 1: and those reports obviously showed the judge that something has
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Speaker 1: changed to get her to this level of competency. Whether
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Speaker 1: it was medication, whether it was therapy, we don't know.
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Speaker 1: It will be interesting to see how she appears when
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Speaker 1: she shows up for her arrangement, because we have not
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Speaker 1: seen a person you know, you're just killing me, Nate
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Speaker 1: eight and death, death by a thousand words. I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you how he knows she's competent. She's sitting there and
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Speaker 1: the mid ward braiding her hair and making homemade makeup
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Speaker 1: to wear, the court yacking, having good meals, had being
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Speaker 1: therapy time, having recreation time, acting perfectly normal. That's why
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Speaker 1: I would totally totally go to the wardens or the
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Speaker 1: trustees where she is and ask about her behavior. I
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Speaker 1: guarantee you she's acting perfectly normal where she is. Nate Eton,
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Speaker 1: you could be right, Anthon, you could be right. I
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Speaker 1: would imagine that is the case. And we'll see how
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Speaker 1: she acts when she comes in. Will she be wearing
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Speaker 1: that pink lipstick when she walks into the courtroom. Oh,
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Speaker 1: you're just really rubbing it, an arn't you? Okay, I
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Speaker 1: got another point. I got another point for you. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twenty one. Now you tell
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Speaker 1: me she's crazy after this, go ahead. Police in Rexburg, Idaho,
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Speaker 1: pleaded with the public for help. Two children are missing
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Speaker 1: and haven't been seen since September. It's now just before Christmas.
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Speaker 1: That's four months. Joshua jj Valo is seven years old
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Speaker 1: and described as special needs. His sister, sixteen year old
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Speaker 1: Tylie Ryan, is devoted to the autistic little boy. The
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Speaker 1: last known video of JJ came from a ring doorbell camera.
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Speaker 1: The FBI and the National Center for Missing and Exploited
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Speaker 1: Children take part in the search. However, Mom Laurie Valo doesn't.
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Speaker 1: Police say Valo's not helping authorities to find the children
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Speaker 1: at all. In fact, Valo didn't report the children missing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Jess got Morgan, you're the forensics expert, but
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Speaker 1: I don't need forensics to show me that. In that case,
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Speaker 1: she already knew the children were dead. They were dead
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Speaker 1: according to forensics. As she was doing everything she could
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Speaker 1: to send police on a wild goose chase. She said
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Speaker 1: they were with their relatives. Cops go to the relatives place,
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Speaker 1: they're not there. When they go back to confront her
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Speaker 1: with that knowledge, she has moved out of the home,
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Speaker 1: left and leaves for Hawaii, refusing to answer any questions.
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Speaker 1: She did everything she could to evade police to keep
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Speaker 1: them from the knowledge the whereabouts of her children. That
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Speaker 1: is not insanity, No, it's not. It goes to purpose
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Speaker 1: and with her actions, and you can see it in
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Speaker 1: that initial moment in time when they begin to look
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Speaker 1: for these kids, she's trying to put as much distance
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Speaker 1: between herself and those bodies because they are bodies. At
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Speaker 1: that point in time, she knew that they were bodies.
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Speaker 1: She knew that those children were buried on that property.
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Speaker 1: And still and there's a continuation with this illness that
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Speaker 1: she allegedly has now because let me tell you this,
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Speaker 1: when this case finally makes it too court and they
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Speaker 1: begin to see those images of those children after they
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Speaker 1: have been disinterred, it will send such a shock and
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Speaker 1: a chill up the bond of the court and the
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Speaker 1: members of that jury that she knows what's coming down
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Speaker 1: the tracks at her. You're going to see a dismemberment
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Speaker 1: of a young girl who has been burned. Her body
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Speaker 1: has essentially been desecrated. And then you take JJ's body
22:16
Speaker 1: that's buried on the edge of this dry pond over there,
22:19
Speaker 1: and he has been wrapped multiple times for whatever purpose
22:24
Speaker 1: mac had mentioned, putting tape over the mouth. And I
22:27
Speaker 1: think that there's a lot that can be read into that.
22:30
Speaker 1: I think that, in my opinion at least, that with
22:34
Speaker 1: JJ's body, there was there was some kind of reverence
22:38
Speaker 1: or some kind of weird connection they had to him
22:41
Speaker 1: compared to Tyley. They attempted to literally destroy her in
22:47
Speaker 1: death Nancy, And there's some kind of dichotomy there. I
22:49
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. I'm not a psychologist, but
22:52
Speaker 1: it just screams to me that these two children were
22:55
Speaker 1: treated different and there was a lot of anger directed
22:58
Speaker 1: at Tyle. You know what's interesting when the claim insanity
23:02
Speaker 1: is thrown around. Let's go back to the indictment. Isn't
23:06
Speaker 1: it true? Nate eating Nate joining us from East Idaho
23:09
Speaker 1: News dot Com that cult mom Laurie Valo was also
23:14
Speaker 1: indicted on a grand theft charge as it relates to
23:18
Speaker 1: social Security benefits she was getting for the care of
23:23
Speaker 1: miners after they're murdered, they're missing, Is she still getting
23:28
Speaker 1: social Security benefits for them? That's correct. You might recall
23:31
Speaker 1: when I saw her in Hawaii, she had a plastic
23:34
Speaker 1: bag full of money and bank cards, and we later
23:37
Speaker 1: learned that those bank cards were not hers, they were Tyley's.
23:41
Speaker 1: They did not belong to her. So and that was
23:43
Speaker 1: several months after those children had been killed, so she
23:47
Speaker 1: had faced with that charge. She apparently continued to get
23:50
Speaker 1: those benefits long after her children were murdered. So she's
23:53
Speaker 1: so crazy that she knows how to cash in on
23:58
Speaker 1: our children's benefits. That's because tile h JJ I think,
24:05
Speaker 1: would you say JJ was autistic? Was he under the suspectrum?
24:10
Speaker 1: Was the ADHD? He was on the spectrum, and he
24:13
Speaker 1: was on medication that really helped, really helped deal with
24:17
Speaker 1: his his autism, doing really well. And that was another
24:21
Speaker 1: thing that the investigators sound inside their Talent Town home
24:23
Speaker 1: is that prescription had had not been filled, so they
24:26
Speaker 1: were not giving him the medication. And then that that
24:28
Speaker 1: was so disturbing to the ground to keep cashing those checks.
24:34
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. When the babies are the children are mutilated, dismembered,
24:42
Speaker 1: her medically sealed and buried in a pet cemetery with
24:48
Speaker 1: the dogs and the cats and the the gerbils, she
24:53
Speaker 1: kept taking the checks. And another thing, what about this, Cheryl,
24:57
Speaker 1: He Chad day bail. It's charged with this ssurance fraud
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Speaker 1: for getting insurance on the wife he murdered. Well, let's
25:05
Speaker 1: talk about why he might have done that. If you remember,
25:09
Speaker 1: Laurie was angered because Charles, her husband, switched his life
25:14
Speaker 1: insurance policy to his sister, Kay. Kay gets a million
25:18
Speaker 1: dollars when he is murdered and she says, I got
25:23
Speaker 1: nothing for me to raise JJ. Well, that goes straight
25:27
Speaker 1: the motive. You know you're right, and let's hear from
25:30
Speaker 1: the horse's mouth. Take a listen to our cut four.
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Speaker 1: The Madison County Prosecutor Rob Wood. Laurie Daville was also
25:37
Speaker 1: indicted on the charge of grand theft related to social
25:40
Speaker 1: Security survivor benefits allocated for the care of miners Tyleie
25:44
Speaker 1: Ryan and JJ Vallow that were appropriated after the children
25:48
Speaker 1: were missing and ultimately found deceased. Chad Daville was also
25:53
Speaker 1: indicted on two counts of insurance fraud related to life
25:56
Speaker 1: insurance policies he had on Tammy Daville for which he
25:59
Speaker 1: was the unofficiary and received funds after her death. What
26:03
Speaker 1: about it, Karen start Oh, I'm thinking about the fact
26:07
Speaker 1: that people are saying that she believed that God spoke
26:11
Speaker 1: to her and actually told her that she should kill
26:15
Speaker 1: her children. And I think about a case like Andrea
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Speaker 1: Yay where she actually felt that she should kill her children,
26:24
Speaker 1: that she was a bad mother and turned herself in,
26:27
Speaker 1: actually called and said come get my children. I killed
26:32
Speaker 1: my children and here's Laurie val saying God spoke to her,
26:38
Speaker 1: and yet she knows the difference between right and wrong.
26:41
Speaker 1: She knows that she should keep the Social Security check.
26:45
Speaker 1: She knows that she's sending them on a wild goose chase.
26:48
Speaker 1: That's not somebody who is insane and believes that in
26:54
Speaker 1: her religious views, her children are possessed and their zombies.
27:00
Speaker 1: I got a piggyback on that dread. If you watch
27:02
Speaker 1: what she's doing, she's very careful to let Alex do
27:06
Speaker 1: the dirty word, let Chad do the dirty word. She
27:09
Speaker 1: didn't buy her own hand kill them. She also then
27:13
Speaker 1: marries Chad so he can't testify against her. Then her brother, conveniently,
27:18
Speaker 1: of course, dies of natural causes too. She thinks there's
27:22
Speaker 1: nobody that's going to be able to tie her to murder.
27:24
Speaker 1: That's what she believes incorrectly. Of course, Crime stories with
27:40
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Nate Eaton, let me understand right now, the
27:49
Speaker 1: two of them are still co joined their co defendants
27:53
Speaker 1: and are set to be tried together. That's right. The
27:56
Speaker 1: prosecution wants them tried together. He says that the witnesses
27:59
Speaker 1: are going to be the same, the evidence is going
28:02
Speaker 1: to be the same. It will save a lot of
28:03
Speaker 1: money to do it together. There's no risk that there
28:06
Speaker 1: could be any sort of you know, jury influence by
28:11
Speaker 1: one juror potentially seeing the other trial. And Chad Davil's
28:15
Speaker 1: attorney has objected to that. There was a big hearing
28:17
Speaker 1: held just recently where he said, I want these trials,
28:21
Speaker 1: these trials severed. The judge responded and said, no, they're
28:25
Speaker 1: going to be held together. That was while Laurie was
28:27
Speaker 1: still incompetent, so things could potentially change. Right now, we
28:31
Speaker 1: know we have a death penalty case with Chad. The
28:34
Speaker 1: prosecution has sixty days to say if Laurie's going to
28:36
Speaker 1: go for the death penalty if everything goes as scheduled.
28:40
Speaker 1: Now they want ten weeks for the trial starting in
28:43
Speaker 1: January of twenty twenty three. What I don't understand, and
28:47
Speaker 1: shell nut I want to hear what you have to say,
28:49
Speaker 1: joining me, James shell Nutt former Metro major case detective
28:55
Speaker 1: now lawyer. Why would they say the DP on Chad
29:00
Speaker 1: day Bell and not Lorie Vale I mean she was
29:03
Speaker 1: the mother. He had no blood relation to these children
29:06
Speaker 1: at all. He just wanted Lorie Valle. And just so
29:10
Speaker 1: you know, what a pickup line. He would tell women
29:14
Speaker 1: that he was married to them in a previous life,
29:18
Speaker 1: so they have already had sex. Why not go at
29:22
Speaker 1: it again. I mean, if you ever heard a pickup
29:24
Speaker 1: line like that, he's going to get convicted on that alone.
29:28
Speaker 1: But she is the mother. Yeah, this is crazy. So
29:33
Speaker 1: I think Cheryl had a good point. I had not
29:35
Speaker 1: thought about it until she brought it up. A man
29:37
Speaker 1: to go. She's let everyone else do the thirty work
29:39
Speaker 1: on this. She didn't have her hands personally tied in
29:43
Speaker 1: with this, and it doesn't necessarily mean that she is
29:47
Speaker 1: a not a death penalty candidate. But I think between that,
29:50
Speaker 1: I think between her mental state, which has been well documented,
29:53
Speaker 1: not excusable of the crimes, but well documented, and the
29:56
Speaker 1: fact that she wasn't hands on, that might be some
30:00
Speaker 1: of the motivation behind the prosecution not seeking the death
30:03
Speaker 1: penalty on her, although she very much deserves it. Man
30:07
Speaker 1: to Nate Ayton, I cannot imagine seeking the death penalty
30:12
Speaker 1: on Chad day Bail and not on Laurie Vallo. Yeah,
30:15
Speaker 1: you would think that it would be the same, especially
30:17
Speaker 1: because as I mentioned that, the prosecution has set all
30:19
Speaker 1: along the evidence is the same but charges are the same,
30:22
Speaker 1: the witnesses are the same, unless they plan to work
30:26
Speaker 1: out some sort of agreement with Laurie, if Lorie flips
30:29
Speaker 1: on Chad, or they have far more evidence with Chad.
30:32
Speaker 1: I do know and have been told on good authority,
30:35
Speaker 1: that Chad spends every day in jail in a little
30:38
Speaker 1: room with a laptop it's not connected to the internet,
30:41
Speaker 1: going through all of the evidence. He's going through it,
30:45
Speaker 1: so he himself is involved in his defense while his
30:48
Speaker 1: attorney is also preparing to defend this death penalty case.
30:51
Speaker 1: Then you've got the whole issue of Tammy day bail.
30:55
Speaker 1: Take a list of our cut twenty three from KSLTV.
30:59
Speaker 1: Tammy had allegedly died in her sleep. They found her
31:03
Speaker 1: in bed, They didn't know the causes. Mandy wasn't shock.
31:08
Speaker 1: I talked to her the day before she died, she says.
31:11
Speaker 1: During that last visit with Tammy, something fell to off
31:14
Speaker 1: and she seemed maybe kind of frustrated, and that wasn't
31:20
Speaker 1: typical for her. Things got strangers. Mandy and multiple friends
31:24
Speaker 1: tell KASO that Tammy's husband, Chad day Bell, refused to
31:27
Speaker 1: have an autopsy performed. With so many investigations now involving Chad.
31:34
Speaker 1: Mandy hopes to find closure for her friend. I just
31:37
Speaker 1: can't help but think that I want to know what
31:39
Speaker 1: happened to Tammy? To you, Nate Eton? What is the
31:42
Speaker 1: status the Tammy Daybell death? Tammy day Bell has reportedly
31:47
Speaker 1: died from asphyxiation in her sleep, well in her sleep,
31:52
Speaker 1: perfectly healthy, training for a marathon, and she dies in
31:57
Speaker 1: her sleep. And isn't it true? Nate Aton. Just before
32:00
Speaker 1: she died in her sleep, her husband, Shan day Bell,
32:06
Speaker 1: now married to cult Mom, said that he had a
32:08
Speaker 1: vision that Tammy was going to die. He went into
32:12
Speaker 1: Tammy he one day, about two weeks before her death
32:15
Speaker 1: and said, Grandpa has appeared to me. You need to
32:19
Speaker 1: go see your family. And their family and her family
32:22
Speaker 1: lived about four hours away driving and Tammy never made
32:26
Speaker 1: that drive alone. They always went as a family or
32:28
Speaker 1: with Chad, and Chad was really insisting you need to
32:31
Speaker 1: go see your family. So Tammy got in the car,
32:34
Speaker 1: she drove down by herself on a Friday night, spent
32:38
Speaker 1: the evening with her family, and then drove home. And
32:41
Speaker 1: when she got home she was fine. And evidence later
32:46
Speaker 1: revealed that has been releases that Chad thought that Tammy
32:49
Speaker 1: might die, or said that Tammy might die in a
32:51
Speaker 1: car crash during that trip, and when that did not happen,
32:54
Speaker 1: two weeks later, she died in her sleep, quote unquote.
32:58
Speaker 1: Her family says, looking back now that was she really
33:00
Speaker 1: a blessing to them. They were able to spend that
33:03
Speaker 1: time with just Tammy while all of this other stuff
33:06
Speaker 1: was happening, while Chad had a secret phone that he
33:08
Speaker 1: was texting Laurie on while Tammy's down with her family
33:12
Speaker 1: saying that Tammy's gonna die. Tammy's gonna die. Well, she
33:15
Speaker 1: didn't on that trip, but unfortunately she did two weeks later.
33:18
Speaker 1: I know quickly after Tammy day Bill's death did he
33:22
Speaker 1: marry called on Laurie Valet. Within two weeks. She died
33:26
Speaker 1: on a Saturday. She was buried on a Tuesday. He
33:31
Speaker 1: left a funeral quickly after it was over, and within
33:34
Speaker 1: two weeks he was in Hawaii married to Laurie Dabo,
33:38
Speaker 1: with nobody else there Laurie Vale, nobody else on the beach,
33:40
Speaker 1: just the two of them. In a photographer Cheryl McCollum,
33:44
Speaker 1: do you ever expect charges and the Tammy day Bill death?
33:48
Speaker 1: I do absolutely, because again Nancy. Let's just look what
33:53
Speaker 1: all Laurie Valo has done. She has wabbed this whole
33:57
Speaker 1: evil net herself. So she's the one that starts reading
34:02
Speaker 1: these books by Chad day Bell. She goes and meets
34:05
Speaker 1: with him, She moves to his state. She convinces him
34:09
Speaker 1: to help get rid of the children and their bodies
34:12
Speaker 1: in his own backyard. She did all of that again
34:17
Speaker 1: believing I'm gonna be you know, okay, because I didn't
34:20
Speaker 1: really touch any of this. He did, and my brother did.
34:23
Speaker 1: My brother nobody can do anything with him. He can't
34:25
Speaker 1: be a witness or nothing, because now he's dead. But
34:28
Speaker 1: remember if you back up, she threatened her husband, Charles.
34:32
Speaker 1: She's the one talk about the spider to the fly.
34:36
Speaker 1: He's supposed to pick JJ up for school. She got
34:40
Speaker 1: him to walk right into that trap when he's shot
34:42
Speaker 1: by her brother. She's the one that got conflicting. Yes,
34:48
Speaker 1: but how he was shot, Yes, but Tylie said it
34:52
Speaker 1: was self devince as well. That's another reason I believe
34:56
Speaker 1: she was treated different, because I believe she said as
34:59
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old, I'm gonna tell she was the
35:02
Speaker 1: only witness. She and JJ they knew what had happened,
35:06
Speaker 1: and that all the witnesses are dead. I just don't
35:10
Speaker 1: understand why they would not seek the DP death penalty
35:15
Speaker 1: on cult mom. She's the one connected to all these people.
35:19
Speaker 1: It's not Chad day Bell's children that are dead, it's
35:23
Speaker 1: her children, it's her ex husband, So why are they
35:27
Speaker 1: seeking the DP on him and not her. Plus we
35:31
Speaker 1: have reason to believe her husband, her brother Alex, was
35:36
Speaker 1: the killer of at least JJ, if not JJ and
35:40
Speaker 1: Tyley Nancy. I honestly think perhaps they're waiting until she
35:45
Speaker 1: was released from the hospital and is capable again. Maybe
35:49
Speaker 1: they were just waiting until that happened. To add this
35:52
Speaker 1: additional level to this whole trial. I see no reason
35:57
Speaker 1: that she should not be you know, given the death penalty.
36:00
Speaker 1: If there was ever a case that begged for it,
36:04
Speaker 1: it is this case. To trap your children in such
36:08
Speaker 1: a way to not search for them, to while they're
36:11
Speaker 1: missing and we know now dead, you're buying a wedding
36:15
Speaker 1: dress with your dead husband's card. Now you're using your
36:18
Speaker 1: dead daughter's a debit card to go to Hawaii and
36:21
Speaker 1: live like you want to when you're literally on the run.
36:25
Speaker 1: I mean, she didn't go there to get married only
36:27
Speaker 1: she went there to again cover herself from somebody not
36:31
Speaker 1: being able to testify against her, and to be on
36:34
Speaker 1: the run, not using her own money. Money continues to
36:38
Speaker 1: be a motivating factor with this woman, Nate Eton. Originally
36:42
Speaker 1: the judge had these two being tried together, claiming that
36:46
Speaker 1: and he's right to this extent, that it was a
36:49
Speaker 1: common scheme, common course of conduct, the same facts, the
36:54
Speaker 1: same witnesses, so they should be tried together. But now
36:58
Speaker 1: that the DP death pilties be sought on Chad day Bell,
37:02
Speaker 1: I think that changes everything. I think the two are
37:05
Speaker 1: going to be severed and tried separately because there is
37:10
Speaker 1: a constitutional issue. Under the Constitution of the sixth Amendment,
37:14
Speaker 1: you have a right, of course to a lawyer. You
37:16
Speaker 1: have a right to call witnesses in your behalf and
37:19
Speaker 1: to cross examine witnesses against you. You have the right
37:23
Speaker 1: to cross examination in the constitution. So if they're tried together,
37:29
Speaker 1: what if Chad day Bell tries to call called Mom
37:32
Speaker 1: Laurie Valo, he can't because she cannot be cross examined.
37:38
Speaker 1: And likewise, if the state tries to use her as
37:41
Speaker 1: a witness against him she's on trial, they can't call
37:45
Speaker 1: her to the stand. So I have a very difficult
37:49
Speaker 1: time with the two of them being tried together. We've
37:52
Speaker 1: gotten this far, don't screw it up by not severing
37:57
Speaker 1: the cases. Plus, if they're both going to finally ultimately
38:02
Speaker 1: be subjected to the death penalty, they've got to be
38:05
Speaker 1: tried separately to preserve any conviction on appeal. Right now,
38:11
Speaker 1: has the jurisdiction, Has the venue been changed, Nate, it has.
38:15
Speaker 1: It's been changed from Fremont County, which is on one
38:17
Speaker 1: side of the state, to the Ada County, which is
38:20
Speaker 1: our in our capital Boise, about four or five hours away.
38:23
Speaker 1: The cost is going to be enormous, according to prosecutors,
38:27
Speaker 1: because this is such a small county where these crimes happened.
38:31
Speaker 1: That to transfer witnesses over staffing issues. So the prosecutor
38:35
Speaker 1: is going to ask next week, on the same day
38:38
Speaker 1: that Laurie's arraigned, he's going to ask that jurors actually
38:41
Speaker 1: be bucked in and sequestered here in eastern Idaho. And
38:45
Speaker 1: that could be an interesting decision. Okay, now, wait a minute,
38:48
Speaker 1: wait a minute, let me just analyze what you just said.
38:50
Speaker 1: That's a great alternative, because the whole point of changing
38:54
Speaker 1: venue is to get a fair and impartial jury. If
38:57
Speaker 1: you could get that jury in this distant reisdiction and
39:01
Speaker 1: bring them to roll the witnesses are that would be
39:04
Speaker 1: much more economical. And then moving all the witnesses, the judge,
39:09
Speaker 1: everybody to another location be a lot more simple. So
39:15
Speaker 1: that's on the table. When are we going to find
39:17
Speaker 1: out if the state, now that she's been declared competent
39:20
Speaker 1: stand trial? When are we going to find out if
39:22
Speaker 1: the state is going to seek the DP on her
39:24
Speaker 1: when Laurie appears next Tuesday. From that moment, the state
39:27
Speaker 1: has sixty days to declare if they will pursue the
39:31
Speaker 1: death penalty, and I'll be honest, in a lot of cases,
39:33
Speaker 1: they automatically will file that and say yes, we're going
39:35
Speaker 1: to pursue it, because then they can take it off
39:38
Speaker 1: the table later as a bargaining tool or if they
39:41
Speaker 1: decide not to do it, but you can't add it
39:43
Speaker 1: on after sixty days. So it's likely that they will
39:48
Speaker 1: do that. And as far as your point about tying
39:50
Speaker 1: them together, Nancy, everything's kind of been a wait and
39:53
Speaker 1: see game with Laurie being in the state hospital. Now
39:56
Speaker 1: that she's out, why do you keep referring to her
39:59
Speaker 1: on a first day basis, what do you think she's
40:01
Speaker 1: inviting you over after the trial? Well, I'd love to
40:03
Speaker 1: talk with her. I'd love to talk with her, and
40:06
Speaker 1: if she is now, now that she's competent, now that
40:09
Speaker 1: the case has no longer stayed, you could see a
40:11
Speaker 1: lot of moving pieces happen where things you know it's
40:14
Speaker 1: about it's about to get I just do not understand
40:17
Speaker 1: trying him with a DP and not her. She had
40:20
Speaker 1: the ultimate duty for their safe keeping. She is their mother,
40:26
Speaker 1: or was until she had them murdered. We wait as
40:32
Speaker 1: just as sunfalls, Nancy Grace comes story, signing off good
40:35
Speaker 1: bye friend,