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Teen Girl Carly Gregg 'Shoots Mom in Face,' Invites Friends to Come 'See a Dead Body' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A teen girl just fourteen
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  Speaker 1: years old, Curly Greg reportedly shoots mommy in the face
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  Speaker 1: and then texts her friends to come see a dead body.
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  Speaker 1: Let that sink ken. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: A fifteen year old Mississippi high school student self reported
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  Speaker 3: math and history nerd. Loves her pets and her mother.
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  Speaker 3: Is she also a killer?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe? Fifteen? Now fourteen at the time mommy gets shot
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  Speaker 1: in the face. But hold on, Let's don't put the
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  Speaker 1: car before the horse. Let's take a listen to that
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  Speaker 1: nine one one call. I love nothing better except when
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  Speaker 1: the defendant takes to stand love that the most. Nothing
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  Speaker 1: better than a nine to one one call. Listen.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, sir, where is your where's your?
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  Speaker 5: Why that on the bore of my daughter stepdaughter room?
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  Speaker 5: She's on the poor in your stepdaughter's room. What do
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  Speaker 5: I say? Act Ashley? Tie her? Sir? I speak with me? Okay?
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  Speaker 5: Can you go out? Can go outside the house and speak? Coming?
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: That gut wrenching nine one one call of Mommy's husband
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  Speaker 1: finding her in the floor, shot in the face, No
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  Speaker 1: matter how many times I listen to a nine one
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  Speaker 1: one call. When I hear the person calling in it,
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  Speaker 1: it's almost disabling for the moment to hear that raw
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  Speaker 1: pain in their voice. What more can we learn?
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  Speaker 4: Listen, that's that's mom, Yeah, yeah, under Mom and dad,
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  Speaker 4: I forgot it?
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  Speaker 5: Okay and dad.
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  Speaker 4: Dad's got to throw on the shoulder. He's already in
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  Speaker 4: the ambush.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So join me in all star panel that makes
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  Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now. Lauren Colin, first
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  Speaker 1: to you, co host Primetime Crime on YouTube. Lauren, who
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  Speaker 1: found Mommy?
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  Speaker 6: He smile found his wife Ashley smiling, and that is
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  Speaker 6: Carly Greg's stepfather.
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  Speaker 1: So the stepfather finds her. But yet, when we are
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  Speaker 1: listening to the ranking County sheriffs on their body cam footage,
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  Speaker 1: one deputy says this mom and this number two says
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  Speaker 1: this mom yeah, and then he goes no, she Mom
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  Speaker 1: and dad both got it. Mom and dad both got
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  Speaker 1: what got hit? Explain Lauren Conlin.
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  Speaker 6: So when he Smiley walked into his house, he was
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  Speaker 6: met by Carly Gregg who attempted to shoot him, got
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  Speaker 6: him in the shoulder as he fought her off.
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  Speaker 1: So immediately on the scene they realize what they think
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  Speaker 1: has happened straight out to Catherine White and Newman, ranking
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  Speaker 1: county assistant district attorney before that, public defender, private practice
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  Speaker 1: in a wide variety of cases. Catherine, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. You know, Catherine, when you hear defense
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  Speaker 1: attorneys say there's no playbook for grief, the husband's showing
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  Speaker 1: no emotion because he's in so much shock. Did you
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  Speaker 1: hear that nine one one call, Catherine.
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  Speaker 7: I did, Nancy, That nine one one call is one
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  Speaker 7: of the most chilling that I've heard on any type
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  Speaker 7: of case. He was in sheer shock and terror. We
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  Speaker 7: believe that he was certainly speaking the truth at that moment.
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  Speaker 1: That really hit the nail on the head, Katherine White Newman,
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  Speaker 1: speaking the truth regardless of emotion, lack of emotion, demeanor
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  Speaker 1: response if you can determine if they're telling the truth.
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  Speaker 1: And of course we're not lie detectors, but when I
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  Speaker 1: hear a nine one one call like that, it sounds
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  Speaker 1: genuine to me. Now think about it, Catherine White Newman.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you're familiar with the Alex Murdoch double murder
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  Speaker 1: trial in South Carolina where he was kind of like eh,
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  Speaker 1: and then it would go away and then he go again.
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  Speaker 1: It was kind of an intermittent kind of wine. That's
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  Speaker 1: not what we're hearing right here, is it, Catherine, No.
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  Speaker 4: It's not.
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  Speaker 7: In fact, at the beginning of the call, the nine
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  Speaker 7: one one dispatcher actually thought he was speaking to a woman,
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  Speaker 7: and Heath's voice was so high pitched because of the
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  Speaker 7: terror that he was in that they again thought he
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  Speaker 7: was a woman, and it wasn't until he gave them
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  Speaker 7: his name that they realized they were talking to a man.
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  Speaker 1: Katherine White Newman has actually worked on this case to
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Camp joining us, a veteran criminal defense attorney and
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  Speaker 1: lead lawyer in the case for Carly Gregg and f YI,
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  Speaker 1: just so you know, former JAG military attorney guys, he's
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  Speaker 1: at Camp Law Firm dot com. Kevin Camp question, how
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  Speaker 1: do you somehow? What do you do you say to
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  Speaker 1: the jury? Look here, not here?
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  Speaker 5: How do you do that?
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  Speaker 1: On one call is being played in front of the jury.
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  Speaker 1: Do you just sit there pretend like you don't hear it?
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  Speaker 1: Do you pull an OJ and act like you're taking
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  Speaker 1: notes out when OJ's really writing I did it, y'all? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So what do you do? When you're hearing that nine
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  Speaker 1: to one one call.
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  Speaker 8: At that point, you're just like what you said, You're
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  Speaker 8: you're trying to do something to deflect it away from
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  Speaker 8: your client and to move on from those issues as
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  Speaker 8: quickly as you possibly can. Sometimes you you have the
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  Speaker 8: situation where you know, look at the monkey, look at
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  Speaker 8: the silly monkey over here, and you know, and get whatever,
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  Speaker 8: whatever the issue is, you want to get off of
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  Speaker 8: that subject just as fast as you can.
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  Speaker 9: Oh yes, And of course, from.
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  Speaker 1: What I can understand about your trial record, Kevin Camp,
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  Speaker 1: you have certainly schooled your client how to behave in court.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a little example. I was trying a murder case.
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  Speaker 1: When I came into court, I had not seen it
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  Speaker 1: at the arrament care calendar or any of the motion's calendars.
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  Speaker 1: And I looked. But in a murder case, the defendant
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  Speaker 1: had shaved into the back of his head hit man
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  Speaker 1: number one. You know how many times I went to
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  Speaker 1: the other side of the courtroom, so you'd have to
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  Speaker 1: turn around and look that way so the jury could
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  Speaker 1: see the back of his head. Well, obviously his lawyer
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  Speaker 1: did not school him not to put that on the
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  Speaker 1: back of his head. Bottom line I'm sure you have
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  Speaker 1: your client schooled how to behave when damning evidence is
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  Speaker 1: pouring from the witness stand. Listen, fourteen did a fourteen
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  Speaker 1: year old girl shoot her mom dead? Shoot her stepfather?
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  Speaker 1: And if so, why they did everything possible to show
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  Speaker 1: her she's loved? And now I understand why Catherine White
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  Speaker 1: Newman is saying they thought they were speaking to a woman,
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  Speaker 1: because Smiley, the stepfather, is in so much pain and
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  Speaker 1: shock from being shot and seeing his wife dead. His
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  Speaker 1: voice has gone into a whole another octave and he
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  Speaker 1: says she's fourteen. She ran away. I want to show
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  Speaker 1: you some video that we have obtained. That's Carly Gregg
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  Speaker 1: and her home. And from a trained eye, I immediately
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  Speaker 1: notice everything's spotless. There. She walks out of the view
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  Speaker 1: from the Okay, walking back across the den so far,
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  Speaker 1: nothing in her hands. There are the dogs following her around,
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  Speaker 1: everything as normal. I see her backpack. Oh, she's coming
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  Speaker 1: around the corner with something behind her back. Oh what
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  Speaker 1: could it be? Okay, not just one, but I think
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  Speaker 1: three gunshots. There's free meditation right there. That's plenty of
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  Speaker 1: time to form intent to kill. Here she comes back,
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  Speaker 1: guns still behind her back and go straight to her phone.
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  Speaker 1: Why not, Mommy's dead and she's texting. I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: that's when she texts, Hey, guys, you want to see
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  Speaker 1: a dead body, Come on over now, wait for it,
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  Speaker 1: wait for it? Texting texting Catherine White. Nay, maman, did
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  Speaker 1: she actually break out into song?
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  Speaker 7: She did, Nancy. She absolutely started homing at some point.
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  Speaker 7: And the person she was texting at that moment that
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  Speaker 7: was her mother's, her dead mother's phone. She picked up
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  Speaker 7: that phone and text her stepdad and said.
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  Speaker 8: When will you be home? Honey?
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  Speaker 1: So she is luring luring the step dad to the scene.
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  Speaker 7: That's right, That's absolutely correct. She had her phone there,
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  Speaker 7: but she chose to use her mother's uh to text
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  Speaker 7: him to find out when he would be home.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna be very tough to show any type of mental
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  Speaker 1: defense when she texts the stepdad luring him home so
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  Speaker 1: she can shoot him dead.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, okay, sir, all right? What's her name? Carly Gregg?
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  Speaker 5: Carly Gregg? Did you still have a gun? Homer?
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  Speaker 1: He ran.
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  Speaker 3: Ran h Burnes, evapstash pot and an angry team. It's
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  Speaker 3: an explosive combination that leads to death.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not we got, we got everybody had, that's what
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  Speaker 5: your mom? Where's the mon where's sir? God?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's so hard to hear that raw pain
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  Speaker 1: and emotion by the stepdad finding his wife shot in
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  Speaker 1: the face, to just the out pouring, the screaming, the
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  Speaker 1: crying she shot her mom and she's gonna come back
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  Speaker 1: and kill me, And still this nine one one person
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  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to understand what's going on. The nine one
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  Speaker 1: one dispatch says she killed her mom, and he goes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I've been trying to tell you this whole call.
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  Speaker 1: And now she's coming back to kill me. It's really
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  Speaker 1: gonna be hard to make that mental defect, that mental defense.
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  Speaker 1: When we see Curly Gregg, fourteen years old, sneaking around
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  Speaker 1: the house with a gun behind her back, sneaking into
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  Speaker 1: mom's area and shooting mom in the face. There's three
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  Speaker 1: gun shots that we hear fired and then go straight
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  Speaker 1: to the phone and texts stepdad hey from mom's phone.
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  Speaker 1: From mom's phone, another layer of deception to lure him home.
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  Speaker 1: Let's stay on that one moment when we introed, I
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  Speaker 1: heard the words burner, phones, pot, and an angry teen
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute straight out to doctor William Marony, longtime
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  Speaker 1: colleague and friend, renowned medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist, opioid treatment expert,
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  Speaker 1: and author of a bestseller American Narcian. It's about saving
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  Speaker 1: lives with malaxon dtr Maroney, thank you for taking time
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  Speaker 1: from the morgue. I can't imagine who wants to tear
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  Speaker 1: themselves away from that. But that said, are we really
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  Speaker 1: going to blame pot here? That pot caused some kind
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  Speaker 1: of a middle deepink? You're the toxicologist, I'm not buying it.
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  Speaker 1: Help me.
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  Speaker 9: There's an awful lot of moral ethical and it's a
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  Speaker 9: just a terrible state of American mental health. There's dissociative
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  Speaker 9: disease here, dissociateive disease. Let me dumb it down, because
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  Speaker 9: I know not everybody's a doctor. The idea that she
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  Speaker 9: has a mental health process, that she's disconnected from thoughts, feelings,
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  Speaker 9: and identity to make this happen. This violence is the
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  Speaker 9: end result of dissociative disease. But guess what six times
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  Speaker 9: more likely psychosis with cannabis.
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  Speaker 1: So okay, take hold on, let me rephrase my question.
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  Speaker 1: Can I blame this on pot?
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  Speaker 9: Fifty fifty mental illness and drugs together.
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  Speaker 1: Why wait, now, you're the medical examiner, right, Yes, but
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  Speaker 1: it's it's okay. Do you have a degree that you've
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  Speaker 1: kept hidden from me in psychiatry.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, I'm writing a book called Sidewalks.
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  Speaker 1: Does not have a degree in psychiatry.
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  Speaker 9: I did study psychiatry at school, so no, no, I'm
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  Speaker 9: going to argue with you. I can make these decisions.
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  Speaker 9: I see people's mental.
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  Speaker 1: I study psychology. I had one course in it. But
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't make me Karen Stark. Good, Okay, I differ.
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  Speaker 1: One little rotation with a psychiatric unit does not make
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  Speaker 1: you a psychiatrists, just like my one class in psychology
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  Speaker 1: does not turn me into Karen Stark.
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  Speaker 9: But I've seen this mental health of twenty years.
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  Speaker 1: Using pot is not an excuse for shooting your mother
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  Speaker 1: and your stepfather.
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  Speaker 9: What we have what we call three hit hypotheses genetics, environment,
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  Speaker 9: and then drugs. You add them all together and you
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  Speaker 9: get a terrible combination that leads to disrespective life, to
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  Speaker 9: socia of disease, and then violent behavior that breaks laws.
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  Speaker 9: This is the breakdown of society. There's not enough mental
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  Speaker 9: health here, and the lack of.
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  Speaker 1: Dear Lord in heaven. Now you're going to societal breakdown.
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  Speaker 1: I know their societal breakdown. Guess what they said that
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  Speaker 1: in Roman times there will always be societal breakdown. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: not my problem right now. My problem right now is
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  Speaker 1: why to Curly Gregg shoot her mother. If she has
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  Speaker 1: a mental defect, then I want her in a mental hospital.
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  Speaker 1: If she doesn't, I want her to treat it as
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  Speaker 1: an adult and tribe for murder. It's really black and white,
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  Speaker 1: it really is. You're telling me that pot I can
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  Speaker 1: blame pot for the murder. Is that what you're saying?
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  Speaker 9: It adds to the dissociate disease six times more than
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  Speaker 9: natural mental illness. The studies come from Scandinavia. They followed
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  Speaker 9: conscripts for twenty years, and the condavia have six times
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  Speaker 9: more likely to have psychotic episodes. Period.
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  Speaker 1: Are you throwing a Scandinavian study at me and expecting
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  Speaker 1: me to let Curly greg walk for murdering her mother
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  Speaker 1: and then shooting her steath?
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  Speaker 9: No?
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  Speaker 1: What hold on? Hold on, Marony, Catherine White Newman. Isn't
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  Speaker 1: it true that just before Curly Gregg shot her mother
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  Speaker 1: in the face, I'm pretty sure I heard three gunshots
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  Speaker 1: as you know you're a veteran prosecutor. Intent can be
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  Speaker 1: formed in the twinkling of a moment, the blink of
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  Speaker 1: an eye, the time it takes for you to pull
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  Speaker 1: a trigger. Under the law, you don't need a long
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  Speaker 1: drawn out plan such as poisoning someone over a period
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  Speaker 1: of weeks and months, raising the gun, and pulling the trigger.
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  Speaker 1: Under our jurisprudence shows intent. We've got three of those here.
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  Speaker 1: But that said, in casey jury doesn't believe me, isn't
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  Speaker 1: it true the mom was searching her room and she
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  Speaker 1: didn't like it.
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  Speaker 7: That's exactly right, Nancy. Not only do we know that
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  Speaker 7: because one of Carly's friends came forward to law enforcement
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  Speaker 7: that day at school. He had been concerned about Carle's
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  Speaker 7: use of burner phones and marijuana t x vapiens, and
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  Speaker 7: so he confronted her mom to let her know about
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  Speaker 7: this secret life. And we know from Carlee's evaluations that
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  Speaker 7: mom confronted her on the way home, and then from
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  Speaker 7: the video evidence inside the home, we know that mom
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  Speaker 7: went over to Carly's side of the house, removed some items,
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  Speaker 7: walked back to her bedroom at some point with them
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  Speaker 7: in her hand, and then walked back to the bedroom
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  Speaker 7: to continue searching. When law enforcement arrived on the scene
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  Speaker 7: and they were able to process the scene, they found
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  Speaker 7: four empty vape cartridge boxes as well as Carly's burner.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Katherine White Newman, you've got me drinking from the
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  Speaker 1: fire hydrant. Okay, that was so much information, but I
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to stop you. Could you say that again
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  Speaker 1: and slowly? Because I'm making a flow chart here as
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  Speaker 1: to why this girl is not insane. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: she wasn't depressed, not at all. I'm not saying she
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  Speaker 1: didn't have some type of mental issues. Don't all teenagers
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  Speaker 1: have some kind of mental issue. But that said, if
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  Speaker 1: she's truly mentally ill, I don't want her thrown into
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  Speaker 1: gp general population. I want her treated. But I'm not
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  Speaker 1: convinced yet. I have one dead body, a mother, a
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  Speaker 1: devoted mother, shot in the face. I have her or
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  Speaker 1: tasting her friends. Hey, you want to see a dead body,
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  Speaker 1: and this is after she lures stepped at home to
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  Speaker 1: shoot him. Now, my original question, Miss Newman, was isn't
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  Speaker 1: it true mother was going to search her room?
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  Speaker 8: Yes?
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely, that's true. Mom had gone into Carly's room. She
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  Speaker 7: was currently searching through her room when Carly came in
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  Speaker 7: and shot her three times in the head. From what
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  Speaker 7: we learned through law enforcement and also through the trial
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  Speaker 7: was that one of Carly's friends was so concerned about
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  Speaker 7: her secret life using burner phones as well as these
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  Speaker 7: marijuana thhc vappens that he confronted her mom at school
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  Speaker 7: that day to let her know that he was concerned
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  Speaker 7: about Carly. And so we also know from Carly's mental
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  Speaker 7: health evaluations she reported that mom in fact did confront
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  Speaker 7: her on the way home about the drug use and
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  Speaker 7: the phones. When law enforcement arrived at the scene to
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  Speaker 7: process it, they found four empty vap pen boxes that
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  Speaker 7: we assumed that mom had removed from Carly's bedroom. On
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  Speaker 7: the video surveillance footage, Mom Ashley Smiley is seen walking
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  Speaker 7: to Carly's of the house and then has something in
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  Speaker 7: her hand and is scene walking to her bedroom and back,
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  Speaker 7: and so we certainly think that Ashley had found those
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  Speaker 7: baked pin boxes and quite frankly, possibly Carly's burner poam
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  Speaker 7: before Carly came in and shot her mom three times
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  Speaker 7: in the face inside her.
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  Speaker 3: Bedroom, gunshots ring out. Carly Gregg caught on home surveillance
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  Speaker 3: running away what happened?
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  Speaker 1: Did you see her running away right there? Could I
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  Speaker 1: just show that video one more time and that's from
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  Speaker 1: out you're looking through the garage and there she goes.
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  Speaker 1: Just so you know, that was Dad's blue pickup. That
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  Speaker 1: was just Stepdad coming home after she lured him. There, guys,
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  Speaker 1: with me and all Star Pannel, we have the prosecutor
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  Speaker 1: on this case, Katherine White Newman, and the defense attorney
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  Speaker 1: who still has not given up one greg Whether you
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  Speaker 1: agree with him or not, that's what our constitution is
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  Speaker 1: all about. He cares about one thing and one thing only,
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  Speaker 1: doing everything he can within the law. I hope to
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  Speaker 1: help his client. And if you're in trouble, that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of lawyer you want. But I gotta tell you something,
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Camp that text luring the stepdad and then the
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  Speaker 1: text going hey guys, what's he? He dead body? Shooting
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  Speaker 1: her mother twice in the face, and there's gotta be
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  Speaker 1: some psychological story behind that once in the neck and
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  Speaker 1: then shooting stepdad in the shoulder. It's gonna be really
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  Speaker 1: tough to prove she has some type of mental defect.
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  Speaker 1: When you when you see that and she runs flight
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  Speaker 1: shows evidence of guilt. Knowledge of guilt? How do you
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  Speaker 1: fight that? Yes, I know she usedes O law. I
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  Speaker 1: get it, But how are you gonna blame pot?
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  Speaker 8: She texted her friends because she asked them because she
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  Speaker 8: needed help, and so the tech, the text stream from
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: all her friends was dealing with, uh, you know, come over,
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: I need help. Uh, you know, things of that nature.
• 23:17
  Speaker 8: And they became concerned because they.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Thought, you mean things of that nature. Whoopsie, you mean
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: when she said, hey, does a dead body bother you?
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: That that that other text that wasn't a text, that
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that was not a text? Was okay? What was the
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: text that?
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: What was that?
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: That was when her one of her friends, which you
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: saw the friend running behind Carly in the video, when
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: that friend came over, then Carly made that comp Brooks said,
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: Carly made that comment to her, and so that that's
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: where that comes. That's not the that's not from the Texas.
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: It'd be the second person they you know what.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you clear cleared that up, Kevin Camp. So
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: am I supposed to assume that you think that's not
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: as damning as texting it? She says to her friend,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: does dead body bother you?
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: The the other the other things that you ask about
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: sort of what's going on and why why we have
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: these opinions on it. It's a mental defect and things
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: of that nature. It's a lot of conversations that she's
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: having with her friends. It's it's convers it's Texas conversations.
• 24:27
  Speaker 8: It's things that she was writing in her diary that
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: give us a glimpse of actually what was going on
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: that nobody knew besides her friends that these issues were
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: out there. And then what you're seeing is everything sort
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: of comes to a head on that March nineteenth day.
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: You have the medication comes into play. You have she
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: already had issues, she was cutting, there have been cutting issues.
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: There had been a lot of different mental things that
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: were that were all going on, and that's that's where
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: it all sort of comes together. One other thing that
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: I that I want to sort of clarify. They talked
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: about a burner fund. The burner phone is like just
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: an old iPad that they had and that she was
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: able to activate. So it's not like some you know,
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: nefarious phone. It was just one that that she was texting, uh,
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: texting her friends and stuff like that on and and
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: there was a boyfriend that I think she was texting
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: on that that she didn't want her mom to know about,
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: is what I got.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: So she's using an old iPad that mom and dad
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: have discounted, and she's using that surreptitiously.
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's where that's when we're talking about a burner phone.
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: That's that's the quote unquote burner phone. And so the
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: person that she's talking to is this. There's a boyfriend
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: who came in and testified that I think she had
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: met him at some mathematics camp up at Mississippi State
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: or something that summer before, and so that was that
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: was where the Texas were going, you know, the nefarious
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: Texas that everybody says. She has a burner phone.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: Immediately after the shooting, Carly uses her mom's phone to
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: text Heith Smiley, you almost home, honey. Smiley replies he'll
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: be home in about an hour. Carly then sends a
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: text to six friends saying she's having an emergency and
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: needs someone to come to her house. One friend offers
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: to call nine one one, Carly declines. Eventually, one friend
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: agrees to come over. When Carly answers the door, she
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: asks the girl, are you squeamish around dead bodies, before
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: leading the girl to her mom's body in her bedroom.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: What are you squeamish around dead bodies? And then takes
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the friend to go look at mom's body. Catherine White Newman,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: did that happen?
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: That did happen. One of the other things that has
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: not been addressed is that one of the people she
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: was texting with as you just played, offered to call
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: nine on one. She said, no, you can't do that.
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: One of the other friends. She also facetimed with multiple people,
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: so one of the other friends reported to law enforcement
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: that he told her don't hurt yourself or someone else,
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: and as soon as he got out or someone else,
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: she said it was too late. She also facetimed with
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: the same friend who had offered to call nine one one,
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: and she said, you can't do that. Our assumption is
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: because we knew that she wanted to try to kill
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: stepdad two, she didn't want her plans interrupted. But she
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: also explained to him that she had fed up again,
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: indicating to us, of course, Nancy, that she did in
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: fact know right from wrong. All of these actions. The
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: fact that she kept telling these friends, I can't tell
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: you why I need you to come over. I just
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: need help.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Karen Stark, renowned psychologist, TV radio trauma
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: expert consultant at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with a
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: C if you're looking for her. Okay, Karen. The only
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: other fact I want to throw in is Curley had
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: been on Zoloft and switched to lexipro. I don't know
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: if that had anything to do with it, but I
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: can tell you this, Karen Stark. If it did and
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: the defense is using that prescription drug, everybody in Rikers
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: is going to walk free because they're all going to say, hey,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I was on lexapro.
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: Well, Nancy. I read that she was taking a very
• 28:21
  Speaker 11: small dose, and there's no way that that led to
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: psychotic behavior. I also want to talk about a disassociated
• 28:29
  Speaker 11: state that doctor Moroney kept mentioning. There's no way that
• 28:33
  Speaker 11: she's in a disassociated state. I don't even know where
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: that comes from. She is very aware of what she's doing.
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: She knows right from wrong. She knows to take her
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: mother's phone and to get in touch with his stepfather
• 28:48
  Speaker 11: and even use her mother's voice and say honey, are
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: you coming back soon? Her own counselor who saw her
• 28:56
  Speaker 11: the day before said that her mental state was fine.
• 29:01
  Speaker 11: She knows the difference between right and wrong. She knows
• 29:04
  Speaker 11: to walk quietly into her mother's room, She understands to
• 29:08
  Speaker 11: text her friends. She runs away after she attempts to
• 29:13
  Speaker 11: kill her stepfather. So this is someone who is a psychopath.
• 29:18
  Speaker 11: This is not a disassociated state. It's not because of
• 29:22
  Speaker 11: the medicine. It's very very clear. She's an angry teenager
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: who got caught and decides, well, I'll just go ahead
• 29:30
  Speaker 11: and kill both of them.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Lauren Collins joining me co hosts of Primetime Crime on YouTube,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: which is incredible, Lauren, Lauren, is it true that when
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: everyone arrived at the scene they found mommy dad shot
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: three times? Which I'm gonna have to go to Maroney
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: on this overkill two times in the face, one time
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: in the neck. But Curly Gregg had laid a towel
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: over her mother's face.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: That's correct, Nancy, she did lay a towel over her
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: mother's face. And I just I want to add that
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: Ashley Smiley was an incredibly devoted parent Nancy, and Carly
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: greg like Kevin said, was brilliant. She skipped a grade
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: at thirteen, she scored a thirty on her acts, and
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: that towel right there, combined with everything else, in my opinion,
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: does show that she did know right from wrong. She
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: perhaps did not want to look at what she did
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: to her mother after she shot her three times in
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: the face, so she put a towel over her.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. I've seen so many cases
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: where people do a makeshift covering, especially the murder of
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: victim's face, and one case where a daughter kills her
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: mother and then puts a wicker trash back basket out
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: of the bathroom over her mom's head. People throw leaves
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: over the face, only put a blanket a pillow. It's
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: very odd to me, but it's a thing because I've
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: seen it over and over. That's anecdotal proof, not statistics.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Doctor William Maroney again renowned medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist, and author.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Doctor Moroney, This all starts over vaping and popped. Mom
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: goes into the room after getting tipped off by a
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: friend of her daughter's and pulls out four vapes empty.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Explain what that means? What are your thoughts.
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: It's really important to recognize that THHC is just as
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: much a drug just because it's legal as something like
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: amphetamine or OxyContin, and regular exposure he whires the brain.
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: And you're not dealing with an adult brain of a
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: twenty seven year old. You're dealing with the brain of
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: a child. And if there's been THHC involved since it's eleven, twelve,
• 32:13
  Speaker 9: thirteen years old, you have what we call arrested emotional development.
• 32:19
  Speaker 9: So this knowing the difference between right and wrong in
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: a child, that's insane.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Doctor William Roney chilling in court, and you've got Kevin
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Camp sitting right beside her, standing by her till the
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: bitter end. And you see Curly greg the fourteen year
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: old girl giggling in court, trying to stifle a giggle
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: in court after she is accused of murdering her mother. So,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Kevin Camp, that is damning. What do you do when
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you're clients starts laughing during a murder trial?
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: Well, I think it depends on you know what time
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: you're you're talking. That was a five day trial. There
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: were numerous times where she was crying when she was
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: given or when there were a lot of photos and
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: things that we had we had talked to her about.
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: But we had not prepared her for those or we
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: had not shown them to her, and so when they
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: came out in court, Uh, she became very very emotional
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: about that. So when if you're asking, you know, you
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: want the perception is you want your the people to
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: believe that that this individual is truly concerned about what's
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: going on. So when you're you're saying she was giggling,
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: I would have to put that in perspective of when
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: that happened. I know it wasn't during any of the
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: testimony or anything like that. Long trials that are very intense.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Kevin. Yes, I never want to be a defense attorney,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: but I have to say I really admire you, you know,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: fighting your way out of this paper bag, because she's
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: laughing in court in the murder of her mother and
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: you actually said that you're defending her, and you said, well,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: it kind of depends on you know, the testimony at
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the moment. Did she not see the gruesome crime scene
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: photos of her mother dead? But somehow she manages a giggle.
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: She does it. She's not giggling then, In fact, when
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: when those were being shown, she was she was crying.
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: She was visibly upset when all that was happening as
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: far as this giggling. I don't know what time frame
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: we're talking about, but it wasn't. It certainly was not
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: in those time frames because I know what her reaction was.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Then the bio dad standing by her and defending her.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I have just received this motion for a new trial.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: This is SOP standard operating procedure. Once you get once
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the defense gets a guilty verdict or in this case,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: a verdict of not insane or menally ill, you immediately
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: file a motion for a new trial and you try
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: to convince the judge this just just ruled against you,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: that he she was all wrong and to give us
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: a redo. That rarely happens because no judge, even if
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: they are wrong, is ever going to admit it. After
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: this is denied, then the defense will start a legitimate
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: appeal to a higher court. So, Catherine White Newman, what
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: happened at the trial?
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: I believe that the evidence showed that Carly Gregg was
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: in fact guilty of murder, attempted murder, and tampering with
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: physical evidence. We heard from doctor Gugliano as well as
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: doctor Pickett on behalf of the state, who testified that
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: Carly Gregg was competent to stand trial, and then that
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: Carly Gregg was not in fact insane at the time.
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: The judge allowed doctor Andrew Clark to testify on behalf
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: of the defendant. It's the states argument, and we stand
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: by this that he actually did not testify to the
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: proper standard. He did not actually meet the qualifications to
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: testify as an expert in this case. However, the jury
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: did get to hear from him. He talked about the
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: fact that Carly had apparently experienced a disassociated state and
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: that she blacked out from the time that she let
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: her dogs out until the time that she came to
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: in the sewer. Interestingly, doctor Clark said that his opinions
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: were just hypotheses, and also there were times that Carly
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: knew right from wrong during some of her actions. And
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: so we believe the jury got it right. I mean,
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: these ladies and gentlemen used their common sense and heard
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: from these experts, and there was just no testimony that
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: Carly in fact did not know right from wrong.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Kevin Camp, you just heard Katherine White Newman just off
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the top of her head spin out so many seemingly
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: damning facts. She didn't even have to look at her
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: notes for Pete's sake. But Kevin Camp, you are convinced
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: at this girl, then fourteen year old Curly is ill,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: that she has some sort of a mental illness. I
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: want to hear your defense, because again I do not
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: want someone medtally ill thrown in with GP. Tell me
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: your best shot.
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: First and foremost. I would say doctor Clark was a
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: much more experienced psychiatrist than either of the two states
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: psychiatrists in this situation. In fact, the psychiatrists they used,
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: which was a doctor Pickett, this was the first time
• 37:54
  Speaker 8: that he had ever been qualified as an expert. He
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: had just gotten his qualifications, I believe back in October.
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: That being said, doctor Clark went through an extensive valuation
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: and we ruled out different things so we knew she
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: was on psychopath There were different tests and different things
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: that we looked at on that we knew that this
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: wasn't a panic situation. So then it comes into a
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: mental illness. We went back and started looking at what
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: the mental illnesses were, what was going on, uh, things
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: of that nature. Some of the stuff that I want
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: to I just want to address this a little bit.
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: Doctor Clark testified exactly to what McNaughton was. There was
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: no issue on different standard or anything of that nature.
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: One of the big issues that came out in the
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: case is they're actually their h expert. Again, the expert
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: who doesn't have any experience in this case, did a
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: diagnosis of Carly Gregg's father without ever seeing him. And
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: that that's something that from my understanding is you're the
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: American Medical Association, which this doctor is a part of,
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: is you don't do that, Okay, if you're you do
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: not do a value. You do not do diagnosis of people,
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: especially psychiatry diagnoses of people that you never examine. There's
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: a rule, it's called the Goldwater rule that comes into play.
• 39:23
  Speaker 8: That being said, the big issue was whether or not
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: she was bipolar, and she had not been diagnosed with
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: bipolar at that time. If there's a heredity, So let me.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Understand, you're an answer to the question, what instrumental defect
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: you're saying bipolar?
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: Man?
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: It depressive? Is that what you're saying is your ailment?
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: Yes, it goes into that, Yes, it goes into that
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: disassociated state, and it all it all sort of fits
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: in together on how that works and that's what uh
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: if you take, if you if doctor Pickett does there evaluation,
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: does what he's supposed to, he's going to come to
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: the same conclusion that doctor Clark did, which that she
• 40:05
  Speaker 8: was in a manic situation and in that disassociated state
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: at that floor.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off good
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: night for it