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CTK-48: Springboks Win the Greatest Rivalry... But Is the Series Really Over? · Cut The Kak

• Byron: Welcome back to another episode of Cut the Cuck, the show where we talk about the sport we absolutely love but know very little about that fool over there. That's Chad. I'm Byron. And Chad, it's Cut the Cuck. Chad: Let's fucking do it, Byron. What a weekend. Byron: What a weekend. We're so spoiled at the moment. It's what a time to be a rugby fan, especially a South African rugby fan, but a rugby fan in general. No, I mean Chad: I was gonna say a Springbrook fan, more than Byron: I think it must be interesting to be, you know, if you look at the other top international rugby nations, you know, obviously we had Argentina and Australia playing, but then like France, Ireland, Scotland. I wish Chad: Yeah. Byron: we could hear what they're thinking when they're watching these games. Chad: Or if that even watching. Byron: course they're watching. And any any any rugby fan is watching the greatest rival. Chad: Yeah. You'd hope so. Byron: I mean, I saw I saw something online that was talking about the the World Cup is obviously still a long ways away. It's over a year away. But after watching the greatest rivalry, which other teams are going to be competitive against the All Blacks and the Springboks? Chad: France. Byron: Yes. In France. Yes. Chad: Yeah, yeah. Well we'll find out because Byron: Well at the moment I Chad: we've got the the nations championship finishing up in when's that that's November? Byron: I know. And if you look at that, yeah, November. But if you look at that, if you look at just how the first round went, the first three games. Chad: Yeah. Byron: France lost to New Zealand. Chad: In New Zealand, but that was also with a shit team. Byron: Ireland lost to New Zealand. Chad: Yeah, but I don't know getting worse. We've been through this. Byron: Scotland lost to South Africa. I don't know. Like I said, it's still a long ways away. A lot can change, but it is I think it must be very Chad: Intimidating. Byron: intimidating and like you're looking at the World Cup and you're just like, fuck man. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Like Chad: Well we'll we'll go through those fixtures again, closer to the time of the Rugby World Cup and we'll go through yeah, Byron: And see if anything changes. Chad: we'll go through each of those games maybe like a year out and then suss it out again just before it Byron: I like that idea. Yeah. Chad: happens and see how much it's changed closer to the time. Byron: I think the big one just off the top of my head would be Australia beating the all blacks in the group stage. That was something we we discussed quite heavily. Chad: Yeah, often Byron: After watching that two match series against Argentina, I'm not I'm not entirely convinced that's plausible anymore. Chad: We'll see. it's still unbeaten. And who's a coach? Lisquiss. Byron: Yes. But I mean the the four games were against two against Japan and two against Argentina. And a weakened Argentina side because their players have already gone off to France for French top fourteen and D two. So it's a weakened Chad: Yeah. Byron: Argentina side. Chad: We will see. Byron: So take that with a little with a pinch of salt. Chad: Yeah. Byron: but before we even dive into all of the the fun stuff, do you want to quickly do NRL, MPC, Curry Cup? Yeah, I think that's all the club competitions on at the moment. Because I know that the Premiership rugby has started, and French top 14 has started. But I believe we're not going to cover those as in depth as what we do the other competitions. Chad: Yeah. Byron: I'd love to. You know, if I didn't have a real job, it would be spectacular to just l sit on the couch and watch Rugby day. Chad: Well that's the goal is to I mean, not sit and watch rugby all day, but sit and watch rugby all day. Byron: To s to watch rugby all day and then talk about rugby all day. Chad: Yeah. okay, so fire up Blitz Rugby. Is that what you're saying? Byron: don't don't fire it up yet. Let's go over the NRL quickly, which is not on Blitz for obvious reasons. It's rugby league, not union. so if I understand correctly, it was the last round of group play, league play, log play, whatever you want call it, for the NRL. obviously the big ones we like to talk about were the rabbitos absolutely crushing roosters 50 20. Chad: Yep. Byron: and then some other fixtures. Broncos beat the Bulldogs 34-20. Dolphins beat the Titans 24-20. Warriors with a narrow win over the Sea Eagles 31-30. Raiders crush the Cowboys 50-30. Close game between Storm and Sharks, 24-20. Dragons beat the Eels 24-22. And Panthers beat West Tigers 38-10. You have something to tell us about another wonderful decision made by Sky Sports New Zealand. For those that didn't watch Chad: I don't know if it was the decision or what it was, but obviously Jira's last Byron: Hold on, hold wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I want to give everyone a reminder that last week we spoke about Sky Sports because the beginning of the All Blacks Lions game, there was cycling on. And basically missed the whole first half. Chad: Not the beginning bone, the first half. Byron: Yeah, the first half. Now that was last week. Now please tell us Chad: Yeah. Byron: what happened this week. Chad: So another important game. It's J Arrow's last game, his hundredth game. If you don't know about him, plays for the Rabbidos, has motor neuron disease. So there was a lot of stuff that went on behind the scenes for him to actually make his hundredth. so real special. Coming onto the field. Byron: Absolutely. And also really good for the league to allow, you know, come on sub off, come on, sub off over the last two games. Yeah. Beautiful. Chad: Yeah. So good. but last game, you'll never see it ever again. Well not live at least. but we got to watch sports betting ads instead of Jaiara coming out. And Byron: Now I got a question for you. Was it one of those things where they minimized the screen and then showed the Chad: No. Byron: sport? Did it completely stop coverage? Chad: There was n th there was no coverage of it at all in the beginning. Byron: Sky Sports how dare you Chad: Yeah, it was rough. And I yeah. Byron: That's not that's not okay. That's not I mean, I know you got your sponsorship deals, but like anyone with half a heart would have been like, you know what? Show our ads after, show our ads before. Chad: Yeah, I felt bad for the the 'cause it's the sports betting one that we we use, betcha. And that I don't even think they knew. They were like, pha 'cause they got given shit and it wasn't I don't I don't think Byron: Yeah, 'cause now they're they're Chad: it was their fault. Byron: No, but they're the bad guy now because now you saw betcher ads when you should have been watching him come out for his one hundredth game. Yeah. Chad: Yeah. Anyway, yeah, that's Byron: No bueno, Sky Sports New Zealand. When are you going to fix your shit? Two weeks in a row. And that's Chad: Yeah. Byron: not the only time they've they've messed up in recent history. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Sky Sports New Zealand needed needs to do better. quickly Chad: Just do better, yeah. Byron: then to finish off with the NRL. four great games coming up this week. We have the Rabbido's and the Knights, we have the Warriors and Chad: Mm-hmm. Friday. Byron: the Dolphins. Sharks and Cowboys, Panthers, Roosters. Chad: P predictions. Byron: well obviously rabbidoes are gonna beat the knights. Warriors will beat the Dolphins. Ooh, I don't know about sharks and cowboys. If I have to pick one, I'm gonna go sharks. And then I think Panthers absolutely crush everybody, so they'll beat the Roosters. Chad: There go. You heard it, Jeff first? Byron: Heard it here first from the the the the best rugby league analyst that exists. Chad: Ha ha ha. Byron: Stupid. okay, Chad, fire up the good old reliable blitz Rugby Chad: K what are we covering? N P C says on Tuesday. Byron: do you wanna do curry cup since it was only two games, it was the semifinals? Chad: Sure. Byron: It was nice that they moved the Curry Cup games to Sunday 'cause I I think they knew that if they put them on during the same times as the Springboks, no one's gonna be watching. That stadium Chad: Yeah. Byron: would have been empty. Even if it was your brother playing, you'd be like, I'm gonna watch the game at home though. Chad: yeah, I w I watched the highlights on Supersport. Mm, I don't know why I'm getting it. Byron: They gotta make bank. Chad: no, I paid for the paid for the thing. Okay, share screen. We're doing this? Windows. Blitz rugby. Okay. Byron: Well, you're the one doing it. You're the the you're the tech guy. I'm the idiot. Chad: Where we go back to you want to do Byron: It would be Sunday for me, so maybe Monday for you. it's the first game, there's a second game. Sick. So first game would have been Krikwas absolutely torched the Lions. Torched. Chad: Yeah, it was a tough watch. Byron: It was a hard watch. I watched it it it it hurt. Because at least it was Sunday rugby for me, but it was not a fun watch. so Kriquas through to the final. almost expected, but good to see. And then this game, this game had everything. Chad: Can't believe that and that we said it last week. I was like, I don't care if the cheaters don't win this one, it's next year's one that we care about. Byron: Next year everyone needs to be a cheetah supporter. but this Chad: Yeah. Byron: lines up a really fun curry cup final if you think about it. None of the you could argue the top sides in South Africa are gonna be in the final. so you have Kriquas versus Pumas in the final. Chad: Is it on? Byron: It's probably gonna be there it is, one AM Sunday for Chad: Yeah you go. Ma one AM on Sunday. Byron: you, baby. who am I picking in this one? Look at those. I'm I'm still picking crickwers, even though it doesn't look like it should Chad: Hundred percent. Byron: be. Chad: You end Yeah. Byron: Okay, so everyone agrees with us. Chad: Yeah, look at that form. Byron: yeah, no, they're having a phenomenal, phenomenal season. Chad: They could probably play the Hurricanes, I reckon. Byron: Okay, easy now. Easy does it? Hawk's Bay versus Kriquaz would be the equivalent, I guess. all right, then MPC. Chad: Yep. That started on Byron: Alright, I've got some I got some complaining to do. Chad: Hit me. let's first go through the results and then hit me with the complaining. Byron: Okay, so Taranaki Bulls beating Auckland. I think we expected that one. I think we called it. Yeah, Chad: Yep. Byron: Yasma complaining. Hawkspay versus Otago. Did you watch the game? So game starts and Otaga were all over Hawks Bay. Hawks Bay were just giving away penalty after penalty and Otaga were just moving, moving, moving, moving, moving. what I did find fun was that the Hawks Bay home crowd were really into the game. The commentators were talking about it as well. but they were down ten points, but they were having a blast. The crowd was cheering for Chad: The crowd, yeah. Byron: everything, giving the ref shit for everything. And you compare that to a URC home game in Ireland or Scotland, where they're booing from the first whistle to the last whistle. They their team Chad: Everything. Yeah. Byron: scores a try and they boo. It's it's Chad: Yeah. Byron: so fucking annoying. but then you had the Hawks Bay crowd losing and still having a great, great game. the complaining's coming up. I'm almost there. I thought it was Chad: Yeah, this doesn't you I thought this was you complaining. Byron: No, the complaining's coming. Chad: Okay. Byron: I thought it was really fun to watch Otago attack their defensive lineouts. Even five meters out, they were putting pressure on Hawke's Bay and they stole a few from five meters out. It was really it was fun to watch. However, here's my complaint, and it changed the whole game. Because Otago were ahead at this point at the 68th minute. Then there's a clear knock on. From Hawke's Bay, but the ref was on the other side of where the Ruck was forming, and the ref missed it. Which happens. I'm not giving the complaint's not against the ref. Play goes on, Hawke's Bay breaks away from that point, and five meters out from the Otago try line, they get a penalty. Now, if they didn't get a penalty at their five meter line and they ran over and scored. They would have come back for the knock on, 'cause it was clear and obvious. But because they didn't score and they got a five meter penalty, no one go went back to check the knock on. Hawks Bay score from that penalty, take the lead, and essentially Otago land up losing the game. Chad: Yeah, momentum's completely s changed. Byron: I know we're asking for, or I'm not asking, I think, I think that the TMO should check a lot of things. but if that trial was scored, the game goes back for the knock-on. But because a trial wasn't scored and a penalty was given, then they don't go back for the knock-on. Chad: Yeah, it's weird. Byron: And it changes the it it changed the game because if you went back and had the scrum, okay, maybe Hawke's Bay would have still got the win. There was twelve minutes left to play, they were one score behind. things could have changed. But Otago lost that game because they gave away a penalty instead of letting Hawks Bay score. At that point, it's almost better to let them run and score. Chad: Yeah, just let them walk walk it in. Byron: Yeah, just like stop tackling them, let them run score, and then just turn it in the ref will go, it's a clear and obvious knock on, we've got to go back for a scrum. So I guess my question to you here is Are you happy that the TMO didn't get involved and play went on, even though it was clear and obvious? Yeah. Chad: No. You know that I we I I think we both agree. We want the right calls to be made. It's why we have TMOs and touch judges and Byron: Yes. Exactly. Yes. Chad: everybody I appreciate people can make mistakes and be on the wrong side. There's a lot going on. But Byron: Yeah, I don't blame the on field ref for this. I blame the TMO. Chad: Yeah. Yeah. Byron: And maybe even the the AR on that side of the field. 'Cause he could've called Chad: Yeah. Byron: knock on. Anyways, so yeah, Otago land up losing to Hawke's Bay, and I don't think they should have, all because of that one call. That's my complaint. Let's go on. where are we? Manawatu beating Bay of Plenty. You must have been happy about this one. Tasman Marco absolutely killing the Lions. Chad: Yeah. I mean, it's it that first half was pretty close. It wasn't I don't think the score line reflects how close that game actually was. It was really just the second Byron: That's a fair assessment. Chad: half dominance. Byron: that Marco second try, with that cheeky no look inside offload from the prop to the hooker. Chad: I saw that. I commented on their post. I was being like, Why does that prop and that hooker why does your inside center pairing have number two and three? Byron: Have a three and two on their back. Chad: Cause that was amazing. Byron: It definitely wasn't a a type three a front three type of play. It was incredible. Chad: No. That was and that has one hundred percent been rehearsed. That's a so th they knew exactly Byron: yes, yes. Yeah, no, it was great. Chad: what they were doing and I love to send it. I love seeing the big boys stretch their legs and send it. Byron: It wasn't even it was about the the pure skill behind it. it was fantastic. Chad: Perfect execution. Couldn't have got any better. Byron: but I did notice something in that game, because I saw an on a post online talking about how New Zealand weren't entering the ruck through the gate in the second test, and they were cleaning Chad: Yeah. Byron: from the side. It happened the whole game between Marco and Wellington and the Lions. Chad: It is a New Zealand thing. Like if you watch any other it's not just that game, it happens quite often. Byron: It was it was there were times where it was so egregious that there's no way that clean out could have happened unless there was a crock roll, the way they ended up. But then you watch the replay back, it's because he ran from the side and hit him, and that's why they landed up on this side of the rack. It was it was Chad: Yeah. Byron: wild to watch. I was like, no one's gonna call this? Chad: Yeah. Byron: but it was a good game. I'm sure you were happy with the result. Chad: I was. it was I was yeah, like I said, worried in the first half, but second half came and I was pumped. Byron: No, no, they they had a fantastic second off. That hookah Chad: David the the both Havili brothers, bro, so good. Like yeah. Byron: Yeah, so good. So good. S look, duplicate Carifi needs to go somewhere else. Please do me the favor. Chad: Bro, you can get me out to the marker. Byron: I don't care where he goes, just move, brother. Chad: Imagine it'll be duplicately Kirifi, Ethan Blackadder. Byron: So good. the hooker for Marco also doesn't Chad: Yeah. Byron: look like he should be. Great runner on the ball. Chad: Yep. Well you saw him fucking offloading and running like a champion. Byron: And yeah and it was fantastic. And then this one I got wrong. Canterbury absolutely killed Wakato. Chad: Yeah. Byron: I got that one very wrong. Very, very wrong. I think that's all the club game. do you wanna do Chad: And Sunday there was two more games. Byron: yeah, sorry. We got the surprise of the weekend. Counties picking Chad: Bro. Byron: up a win against the Stags. Chad: And a c a a decent one too, almost fifty points on the board. Byron: Stags need to go look at themselves in the mirror. Chad: Yeah. Byron: and this one surprised me. North Harbour beating Northland fifty seven forty two. Chad: So that it disappoints me so much. I Yeah. I was like ph but I did say, I did say that Byron: that's because you want the fucking shield, that's why. You couldn't perform like that last week? Chad: I won North Harbor to win just out of sparts, I was happy that they did, but like why couldn't it happen last week? Byron: A week ago, yeah. But man, I I'm so glad I'm watching MPC. Big fan. Big f it's so fun. Chad: It's so fun. It's I I'll say it again and again and again every fucking episode. It's the best competition to watch. It's so exciting. I'll more people should watch the NPC. Byron: Well, it needs to be easier to watch, unfortunately. Chad: Yeah. I wonder if Supersport has it. And if not, Supersport, get onto it. Byron: yeah. Super sport, since you got that new sports package coming out, let's let's talk business. Chad: Yeah. I'm pretty sure some of the NPC games are actually on just like free to air here, so you can just watch them. Byron: There are a few here in the Netherlands that are free on YouTube. Chad: Yeah, it's sick. Byron: So I almost all of Super Rugby was free on YouTube and most of the NPC games are free on YouTube. Chad: That's so sick. That's so cool. Byron: I'm a big fan of it. I think it's it's so smart because, you know, the Netherlands obviously not the biggest rugby nation. so the the licensing here probably will never happen. but you throw it on YouTube and you still get to make money from it. Chad: Do they play ads? Byron: Yeah, of course. Chad: Like to add the game. Byron: so you have ads when you click onto it and then during the game they'll have like ten, fifteen second ads where it either goes screen side screen by side screen, but you never Chad: Okay. Byron: lose you never lose the stream. You can always watch it. Chad: Okay, so it just gets a bit smaller, like window in window type stuff. Alright. that's dope. Byron: Yeah. But when I had YouTube Premium, when I had YouTube Premium, there were no ads, of course. And you just watched the whole game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you got YouTube Premium, it's a perfect, perfect setup for watching the NPC. And that's how I watched Super Rugby as well. Was on YouTube. And then after the game streamed live, you can always go back and watch them. Chad: That's so sick. Maybe I should move to the Netherlands. Byron: It's the best. It's absolute shout out to New Zealand rugby for making it happen. better than Sky Sports New Zealand. Which Chad: Yeah. Dime bar. Byron: it's not a very hard bar. Chad: Yeah. Byron: do you wanna do predictions for next week? Chad: Sure. where do we go? It starts Byron: What rugby's on today in the in New Zealand? nothing. Okay, Chad: Fuck all. Nothing on a Wednesday. Byron: interesting. Thursday. Hmm. You I just I did the Chad: it's today Wednesday. Byron: I did the NRL. Why didn't you do the NPC? Chad: okay. I think Teranecki Bulls. If I can click. Byron: trying to see the log here. I mean it's eighth versus tenth, so it's not as if it's it's too chaotic. Chad: Yeah. It'll be close. I think Ternacky Bulls. Byron: Well yeah, I mean look at the f last five games, five wins. I mean Do you know hold on before you Chad: Yeah. Byron: go to the next one? Do you know what I'm noticing when you're going through this? A lot more people are using the prediction app. The prediction feature. Yeah. It's so much fun. Sorry. Chad: Yeah, it's so good. I love it. And so many people are dropping into NPC, which is pretty cool to see. A couple weeks ago it was just U and R. Byron: Just you and I mean exactly. That was seventeen on the last one. Chad: Yeah. gotta go to the Marco. But it's gonna Byron: what a fourth verse fifth. Chad: be fun. Whew. Byron: I mean obviously I'm gonna agree with that for bias purposes. Chad: Yeah, that'll be that'll be a good game. Byron: Yeah, I'm excited for that one. Chad: and Saturday Saturday's a big one. Big day of rugby. Byron: That's eleventh verse twelve. Chad: Auckland counties in Eden Park. I'm gonna go Auckland. Checks it out. Byron: Ha ha ha. Chad: North Linton Waquetto. Byron: Third verse seventh. Chad: Northerland? Byron: Yeah. Yeah. Against your wishes. Chad: Yeah, so this'll be a Ranfurley Shield game too. So it's a lot of stuff going on. It'll be it'll be heated. It's pretty cool. It's all those games Byron: this is an easy one. Chad: just seem to be exciting. I I'm sorry, Byron, I can't go Wellington. Byron: I wouldn't expect you to. They're 0 6 for the season and they gotta play Canterbury. In Christchurch, I mean, please. Chad: In in Christchurch. But I still want to go to the stadium so badly. Byron: so do it. Chad: Yeah. I wanna for the next internationals that happen there I definitely want to head down. Byron: they'll be so sick. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Then they can let off all those fireworks and no one can breathe or see again. Chad: I don't think I'll make that mistake again. Byron: Ha ha ha Chad: and then we've got two games on Sunday. Byron: Brother, that's gonna be the best game of the season so far. That's first first second. Chad: Yeah. Have a look at their form. Okay, I have to go I'm gonna go Hawks Bay. Purely because Byron: You can't Chad: of this one game. Byron: You can't not go aga you can't not shout Hawke's Bay when doing a prediction, unfortunately. They're the only unbeaten Chad: Yeah. Byron: team in the competition. Chad: Yep. And then I'm gonna go Bay of Plenty, stags, where are they on the log? Byron: Bay of Plenty's ninth stags of thirteenth. Chad: Yeah. I've got to go bad plenty here too. Byron: Brothers stags lost to counties. They've lost all my respect. Chad: Yeah. I'll Byron: Ha Chad: I'll let them know. Byron: ha ha. No one even cares about this fucking game. That's rude. Chad: Yeah, that's why it's on Sunday at five PM. Byron: What time would that be for me? I'm curious. Give me a second. Chad: Papier. Isn't it like three? Byron: South no which game are we talking here? Southland Bay of Plenty, yes, seven AM. Chad: Seven A. Two hours other way. Byron: I'm definitely waking up at four o'clock to watch Hawke's Bay North Harbor for shore. Chad: Hundred percent. Byron: okay. Chad: I think that's that's all. Byron: Now we can talk internationals. Woo! I guess let's do the the two smaller Chad: Yeah, well do talk about Byron: ones before we talk about black phones. Smaller ones with inverted commas. Japan beating Canada. Chad: Yep. Byron: And then the last game, international game for the week, was Australia versus Argentina, which ended in a twenty Chad: It was a f Byron: eight twenty eight draw. Chad: I was a bit disappointed with the way that game ended. I thought Argentina could Byron: Argentina we're gonna go for it. Chad: have Yeah, done a little bit better in that Byron: Well, I want to point something out because it's it it it was a trend that we spoke about last week and the week before. And that is international teams turning down easy three points in front of the posts. Now at the end of the first half, Argentina had a penalty right in front of the posts. Chad: Yeah. Byron: And time time was up. It was like the forty second minute already. Take the three, go into the half, come back and you're fine. If they took that three, Game, nothing else needs to change in the second half. They won thirty one twenty eight. Chad: And arguably, I don't know. It's always something about coming back out being ahead. Byron: Exactly. Yeah. I d I just I don't underst look, I get it at a club level where, you know, defenses are not as solid as the international level. Even if you've got better players, the the type of play is more it's more free. but at an international level it's so hard to score points. You get an easy three, time's up on the clock, right in front of the posts, take the three, be the team to score last in the first half, you're good to go. And then they took a scrum from the penalty. And it's not Chad: Yeah, no. Byron: as if they had scrum dominance. They had solid scrums. There was no like penalties going back and forth or anything like that. You put the ball in, you get the ball. That was kind of how the scrums were going in that game. Why not take the three instead of going on a risky play for the scrum and then they landed up losing it? No points were scored, and they go into the half and draw. Am I the idiot? I mean I am an idiot, but am I the idiot? Chad: I mean, I mean, yeah. Byron: But I don't understand why international sides are turning down threes. Look at the difference it made for us in the second test and this test. Chad: And and yeah, I was gonna say in this one. Yeah, I know. I pff Byron: And we didn't do it in the first test and we lost. Chad: Yeah. Byron: I think that scoreboard pressure at an international level is so important. Chad: And it definitely makes a difference, like yeah. Byron: And it's not as if you're guaranteed a try if you kick the ball and you have a five meter line out. It doesn't guarantee a try. Chad: It must be just such a don't know what it is because like back jeez, I sunk an old man now. Back in the day Byron: Back in my day. Chad: you you never let Three points guy. Like Byron: No. Chad: very rarely. Byron: Yeah, like if they're down, if they've got two yellow cards, Chad: I mean we also Monet Stein who had just Byron: you're five meters out, and you've got a two man open, then sure, push, Chad: Yeah. Byron: push, push. But if if especially in the half out in South Africa, if Chad: Yeah. Byron: you're giving away a penalty within sixty meters, you take the three. Chad: Yeah. Byron: And then it becomes it becomes so daunting for the team who's getting threes put against them that they're scared to give away penalties within sixty meters. Chad: Yeah. Byron: And then they're not jackling for the ball then and it changes the dynamic because they're under pressure. Chad: Hundred percent. Byron: But no, we're kicking for the corner, losing the ball, and then they score, and then you've lost it's a ten point turnaround, exactly. Anyway. Do you want it Chad: do you know what's so crazy about that game? Byron: What? Chad: I was busy looking at the the stats for this one. Byron: Mm-hmm. Chad: So it's busy lighting up again. and I should have done a head head to head for that game too, but I'll do it next time. Argentina, fifty eight percent possession. Argentina scored four tries to three. Argentina converted four tries to three. There's obviously no penalties. They had more line out wins, ten to eight. They had more scrum wins six nine to six. The only place where Australia won well Byron: Beat him onstead. Chad: two places was the turnovers won and yellow cards. They only had one and Odd T had Byron: Bruh, but that's Chad: two. Byron: that's the the the loose three from Australia, I think, are fantastic. You got Harry Wilson, no I'm blanking. Please bring it up, because I feel stupid. Chad: I don't have it up. Byron: bring it up quickly quick quick quick quick quick I'll go Chad: I have the team. Byron: the the old trusty blitz rugby for this one where is that Argentina game lineups Australia. Harry Wilson, Vallatini, and Fraser McRaud. Chad: Yeah, prize me rat's unreal. Byron: Brother, those three at a breakdown are terrifying. And also solid runners, great defense. Sorry? Chad: You know who you're gonna have come back is big big boy, big lock, Will Skelton. He's gonna come back soon too. Byron: yeah, know I I c I th he he made such a difference for Australia. What was it in the rugby championship two years ago? Chad: Yeah. Yep. Byron: Yeah, he's a he's he's he's a he's a game changer. I'm a big fan of old big old Willy. Chad: Yeah. That's if that's Byron: Ha ha ha Chad: Yep. Byron: You heard it here first, folks. Chad: Yeah, you gotta do our first. Baron, big fan. Byron: Big old Willy. Chad: Big old winny fan. Byron: Ha. okay, I think there's one more game to talk about before we dive into the most fun of the weekend. that's the Springbok Woman versus the Black Ferns. I don't know if you saw what I reposted on the page. That was really cool. with the Black Ferns Chad: I did. Byron: saying thank you. I thought that was so dope. but I guess Chad: Yeah. I I love Woman Dragby for that. I think it is so cool. Byron: There's there's so much I don't know if more respect is the right way to put it, but there's a there's a really good like rapport with the women's sides. Chad: Yeah, I love it. I I love to see it. I'm yeah. And y it's it's Byron: I guess Chad: just so genuine. Byron: it is genuine. And I think it's it's exactly what we spoke about at the the last Women's World Cup. And that was that the women's game, although all the rules are the same as the men's game, it's a different sport that needs to be played differently and advertised differently. It's not the same as the men's game. And that's with respect. Chad: Narrow. Byron: That's not a it's not a bad thing. Chad: No, no, no what you mean. Byron: Yeah. I think overall the South African team compared to the Black Ferns just lacks that level of pure athleticism. Chad: Yeah. They also lost their coach like two days before, which was I know. Byron: And swast the brain. Chad: It was a weird one. I saw his comments but Byron: Yeah, his comment was like that it was always planned and no no no no but I thought at least coach Chad: They had resigned a while ago. I don't know. Byron: that game and then stop. I don't know. but like you saw the Black Ferns when they got a line break, it was deadly. When the Springbok ladies got a line break, if they got a line break, it never really ended in a the the pace, they just didn't have the pace and the strength. But it was a good game. Chad: Yeah. But I mean, if you look at where we were even even Byron: A year ago. Chad: a year ago, so much better. So good. Byron: That mall try that we scored for our second try was class, was pure class. It's like exactly what you want from a tier one nation when it comes to rugby. So I think the growth of the women's game in South Africa is has been fantastic. And if it continues in this vein, it's gonna be amazing. Chad: I really hope it does 'cause it's been really fun to watch. 'Cause wait, New Zealand second, yeah. New Zealand second in the world. Byron: I think we did I think we did a comparison the last time we looked at it. I think it would have been the equivalent of New Zealand playing Wales. Yeah. Chad: It still is. I just had it. I'm looking at it now. Byron: So, you know, what was the final score? Fifty something, twenty something? Chad: it was Did I lose my page? No. 5220. Byron: Now I've got it open here, I've got it open here. Yeah. I think that's a completely reasonable score, and I think the ladies should be incredibly proud of themselves. Although the stadium was not packed at the time 'cause it was a a curtain razor, that Chad: I was gonna say I was a bit disappointed with the turnout for that game. Like if it was me Byron: I w I would have loved it to be packed. Chad: Yeah. But like I think if if if I was there, I would have been there from before the kickoff of that game. Byron: But don't you think kickoff should have been at three or two thirty instead of one thirty? Chad: Yeah, I don't know. But I would have still been there. Byron: 'Cause then if you're if you're coming to watch both games, you're there for seven hours because of the gap between the first game and the second game. Chad: Yeah. And Byron: Yeah, for you and me that's not a problem, but imagine you go with your family. Chad: They'll love it. they could never come Byron: Yeah. Chad: to rugby ever again. Byron: but the cool stat from that was it was the largest capacity stadium for a women's game of rugby ever. Although it wasn't the largest number of people at the game because it was relatively empty, but the stadium capacity was the largest capacity for a women's. Chad: But that's such a a a shame because how let me have a look. How many people were at our game? It's like eighty eighty seven Byron: Eighty six thousand, I think it was. Chad: eighty seven thousand nine hundred and seventy six people. Can you imagine if the girls even played I don't know, in front of fifty thousand. Yeah. Would have been Byron: Forty thousand. Yeah. And I think they deserve it, you know. I think they deserve it. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Keep growing and we'll keep crushing. All right, Chad, I think we've we've we've delayed it for long enough. Do you want to talk about Springbox All Blacks? Greatest rivalry, test number three. Chad: what a game. That first half was one of my favourite games of rugby I watched in a long time. I can't think of another game. Byron: I actually wanted to ask you that question. Do you think that that game for both teams was some of the best rugby you've ever seen? In every aspect, defense, attack, kicking, line outs, scrums, passing, it was everything was just so good. Chad: Just everything, yeah. I I've rewatched that game twice. Well, wha one was the full game again and then I watched the extended highlights again. Bro Byron: I even watched the mini match on YouTube. Chad: yeah. How yeah. Ethan Hooker Yes hit me with the question. Bro Byron: Ethan hookah. Chad: he's incredible. He is one of my Byron: He's Chad: favourite players now. Byron: Okay, granted, Cheslin had that horrible jawbreak. if those of you who haven't seen it online, please go to Cheslin's Instagram page and watch him play with his broken jaw. it's But Chad: Yeah, he was on he must have been o on the green whistle to do that 'cause that would have been painful. Byron: Brother, he must they gave him all of the good stuff. Chad: Yeah. Byron: What I think is crazy with Ethan Hooker is that he's making it so that you would think that Cheslin Colby, Kurtley Arrensa, our best wingers, right? Ethan Hooker's making as good of a statement to go which one of the three do we pick? Chad: Yeah. One thing I I don't want to happen, and I'm worried that they do do it, is that they move Ethan Hooker into centre, other outside centre. Byron: Well, at some point we do need to find reliable replacements for Damien D'Alinda and Jesse Creel. At some point. Chad: Yeah. Byron: It's not at that point yet, because arguably one of the best center pairings in rugby at the moment. Did you see what they did to fucking Chad: Yeah. And my bro, Jesse Byron: Leroy Carter? Poor oak. Both of them stepped him Chad: Yeah, twice. I felt bad. Byron: on the outside. Chad: But that was because of what's his name's passing. Byron: Money. Chad: Marnie's f real flat passing and getting 'cause one Lee Recotta was obviously coming up real fast, but Marnie's passing is so good. Like he had Byron: It Chad: it exactly where he needed to be. Byron: he brings such a different defensive requirement when he's on the field at fly half Chad: Mm. Byron: compared to Sasha or Hundre. Chad: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I mean all three of them are are wildly different. but I I kinda wanted to see Marnie more. Sasha, I don't know. Byron: I almost preferred Chad: I feel like Byron: for that game, I preferred Sasha at fullback than at fly half. Chad: Yeah. Byron: But I do think it's still the right decision to start Sasha at fly half. Chad: Still? And bring Marnie on second half? Byron: Can you imagine being a tired backline? You've been defending against Sasha for sixty minutes, fifty-five minutes, whatever it might be, and then you bring on the creativity and the precision of Marnie. Brother, ex Chad: Yeah. Byron: it's it's the same as being a forward and watching the the the bomb squad come on. You just look at Marnie come on and you're like, man, my legs can't move quick enough for it. Chad: Yeah. Byron: So no, I think I still think it's the I still think it's the the the the right choice. I did have a Chad: And Marnie's when we almost scored a try was also sick. That little run he had down the left wing. Byron: He's so good. Everyone was like, Chad: Yeah. Byron: he's gone to Japan. He's gonna miss a step. Nah nah nah. Brother Mani is class. I think he's Chad: He's obviously got b he he's almost got bitter. Yeah. Byron: got him better. I would say he's got him better. Some of that Japanese flair. Chad: Yeah. Yeah. Byron: I had a question for you. Early in the first half, there was that high tackle. And it was given Chad: Yeah, yeah. Byron: as just a penalty because the impact was on the ball and Chad: Yep. Byron: it wasn't a direct head to head contact. My question on that is if the ball was not there. Where does that tackle land? Chad: Yep, no. It's yeah. Byron: Wait, let me let me finish. Let me finish in terms of the the the laws of rugby. If the action is always illegal. That was if the ball wasn't there, that's a high tackle, is it not? Chad: I think it was sort of been sh up here, shoulder. Byron: Okay. You th so you you Chad: Yeah. Byron: say you say if the ball wasn't there it wouldn't be a shoulder to head? Chad: No. I think it would've been it probably would have Byron: Okay, then then Chad: been it probably would have been head on head for sure, maybe, but you can't make that assumption. Byron: Okay, now you can't assume head on head. I thought that it would have been shoulder to head. Chad: No. I thought it would have been Byron: Okay, then I won't proceed with what I was gonna say next. Chad: Good. I like this. Th we should keep this more often. This is great. Byron: Ha ha ha ha. you know, last week I spoke about the poetry of rugby with the way we had the the kick for the the the touchline, Colby saving it, getting the penalty, making the subs, winning the scrum penalty, and then Sia scoring against Sevilla. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Sevilla did the same thing this week, scoring against Sia, and I was like, man, this Chad: Yeah, one all. Byron: game is doesn't get better than this. Doesn't get better than this. Chad: Yeah. Shame poor Audi. I feel bad for the Oak. You got Byron: Yeah, he's gonna miss the Baltimore game for sure. Chad: It was so bad though. As soon as it happened and I saw him got holdings on the game, I was like, Fuck, that's shoulders. I thought it w honestly thought he had broken his shoulder. Cause it was such a big clean out. but yeah. Byron: Who was it that did the clean out? Do you remember? Chad: Marks or Peter Stiff? Byron: Brother, it's somewhere here in my notes. I c I don't Chad: Right. Mm-hmm. Byron: know where it is. I'll find it eventually. But we beat the shit out of Barrett. Chad: Yeah. Byron: We absolutely beat the shit out of him in every opportunity. Chad: You see his f his face was Byron: There were a few times where I think the TMO did have to check for a high tackle and it was cleared. So I'm I'm glad that the TMO was checking, because if it's high, it's high. But Chad: Yeah. Byron: goodness gracious did we beat the shit out of Barrett. Two two on Chad: Yeah. Byron: one tackles, spear tackles, whatever you can think of, they put on Barrett and everything at full pace. Chad: and you kinda have to. he he's that good. That would j just Byron: There was one where Peter Steph was off his feet when he made contact with Barrett. Chad: But Peter Steph, that Peter Steff would tackle t anybody like that. Byron: He'd run into a gorilla like that. Chad: Yeah. The gorilla would stay down. Byron: Ha ha. I do have a complaint again against Chad: Yep. Byron: the All Blacks line out. Chad: Mm-hmm. Byron: You can throw to the prop. That's a perfectly good thing. But because you can't compete, so you know if the new rule is if you don't compete, it can be skew as long as it's not egregiously skewed. Chad: Yeah. Byron: You can't compete for the ball to the prop. So the rule is you have to throw it down the middle if you're throwing to the prop. There was one where Cam Roigard caught it within the five-meter, and then I counted three where the prop caught it. at his chest, which is not the centre of the liner. So I think that one needs to be watched as well. I'll complain for me or Chad: I I disagree with that. I think you still can compete. You just have to be quick enough to spot that it's happening. Byron: We did get better at it as the game went on competing for it. That's why that Chad: Yeah. Byron: one where Cam Roigard caught it within the five. Also, Cam Roigard wasn't part of that line out. Chad: True. I Byron: He stepped in. Chad: after. I mean they c yeah. Byron: So that's a change in numbers. Chad: Unless that's the numbers that they call then you just walked in late. Yeah, I don't know. I'd have to go watch, I don't remember the exact play. Byron: what else do I think I've got you under some big calls? What about Sasha Feinberg's yellow card for the deliberate knock? Chad: warranted. Byron: You don't think his hand was moving backwards? Chad: It was, but you know w when you're making that decision and you're going you know the risks, you know what you're doing. and if he got it it would have been fucking unreal and he would have been away. But he didn't and It is what it is. Byron: It is what it is. we did win a scrum penalty with seven players. That was fun. Chad: I'm not I mean and w there was no walking around either. It was straight through the middle. Byron: No, we the only place we walked was over their try line for a penalty try. Chad: Yeah, that was rough. Bro, actually speaking of Cameroy god the yellow cod that's was it Quibus? Bro Byron: please It wasn't a yellow, it was a penalty to restart the game after the penalty try. Chad: I don't even think it was that. Byron: Are we talking about the one where where Reinach where Cam Roigard was basically Chad: The two there is right. Byron: climbing over him like he was like he was a bouldering wall. And Chad: Yeah. Byron: and what's his name? Chad: Cobus Byron: Cobus threw him off. And then they said it Chad: Yeah. Byron: was a what do they call it? It was a a s a a tip tackle. But Roigard was Chad: Yeah. But then Byron: on his his back. Chad: But also the way that Roigard was rolling around on the floor, that was Byron: I actually have a note about that. Chad: up there with the Nick White. Byron: That's exactly what my note says. My note I'll read it to you word for word. Was that Cam Roigard or Nick White? Chad: Yeah. Bro, and like I I'm I I like Amroy God. I don't I I like Cam Roigard Byron: And then I've got some other words after that. Yes. He's good. Chad: he's he's so good, but that shit does my Byron: Pissed me off. Chad: head in and it should not there there shouldn't be any any tolerance for that in the game. I hate it. Like N Nigel Byron: The the two Chad: Owen said, this is not soccer. Byron: Well they're the two English Oaks that have that pod call on We Love Rugby, I think that's what it's called. they were saying Chad: For the lava rugby? Byron: that if Nigel Owens was there, he would Chad: Yeah. Byron: never have gotten away with it. And the problem is, Cam Roigard Chad: Yeah, it's mm. Byron: has now done it twice. I can't remember the first time they gave as an example, but obviously this was the second example. But they talked about Chad: He the time he did it before, I know when he's done it before and f he scored a trial for it, 'cause he did that, got the penalty, got the tap kick, and then went through and scored. That's for the Canes. Byron: Exactly. That was that was the thing. He was acting as if he was dead. He got the penalty, stood up, took a tap and go and went to go score. Chad: Yeah, hate it. Byron: So what they said was very true. They said it's wrong. It shouldn't happen. But it's happened twice and he's gotten away with it twice. Why wouldn't he keep doing it? Chad: Yeah, it's I mean that's a it's a great shout. Byron: So, you know, it's up to the referees to be more like Nigel Owens and be like, listen, you started that because also Chad: Yeah. Byron: he attacked, he went on to Quibus from an offside position. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Because with the new rules, the the the the scrummy needs to behind be behind the center of the scrum. Chad: Yeah. Byron: But I guess because they were pushing over the line, but he wasn't behind the try-line when he when he attacked him. Chad: No, he wasn't Byron: So Cam Wygo attack For no reason whatsoever, got all over Cobus from an offside position. Kubis threw Chad: Yeah. Byron: him off, and then he gets the penalty. Chad: Yeah. But just it's don't be a doous, be lecca. Byron: Don't be a buzz. what other interesting Well don't be a buzz. Chad: I'm gonna have to bleep that out. Yeah, I'll have to bleep that one out too. Hell yeah. Byron: No one knows what it is except for South Africans. I don't even think YouTube knows what that is. Chad: Yeah, true. Okay, well we'll test it out. Byron: 'Cause if we're in the Netherlands it's a cat. Chad: We are in the Netherlands. Byron: I am in the Netherlands. I got Netherlands praten. Chad: Yeah. Yeah. Byron: Okay, anyway, back to important things. I don't know if you recall this. Do you think that tri from Leroy Carter should stand? And I got two points on that one. Chad: Okay, hit me with the points. Byron: First one was wasn't there obstruction against Wiese in the Rack prior to the breakaway? You might have to watch it back. But watch the ruck. Ooh Chad: do you know do you know when it was? Like what's what time it was? Byron: I can tell you, I can tell you, I can tell I can tell you I can Chad: Let me see. Byron: Leroy Cartus Train. Chad: My objective. Byron: Am I looking at the right game? Walt Jordan scored it, excuse me. Fifty fifth minute. Chad: I don't know which one you're talking about. That was after he's Byron: That was the one where Sasha scooped it back, Will Jordan picked it and scored. Chad: yes, yes, yes. Byron: Okay. Chad: I know what you're talking about. I don't even have to watch this one. Byron: Okay. It's not blatant and the reason I brought it up is because it prevented a try in the previous game where Chad: Mm. Byron: it was a meh obstruction call around the ruck. And I thought it was a similar thing for V they didn't even go back and look at it. Chad: Yeah, well I mean, Sasha's hands in the ruck, I mean, scooping it back was also a bit sus. Byron: No, so I agree with Sasha scooping it back, but then my next question to that was it comes off Leroy Carter and goes forward. 'Cause Sasha scoops it back into Leroy Carter. Chad: But off his leg, no? Byron: Take a came off his chest. Chad: other is leg. Byron: So those were my two points for that one. I the try stood, it was a good try, but give us a break. Chad: Yeah. Byron: when Jesse Creel was at wing, things were weird. I don't know why they put Creel on wing for a few few minutes. I don't like that. They moved Aronser to outside center and moved Creel to wing. And then he knocked the ball Chad: Yeah. Byron: on and they like, No, no, no, go back. Fucking that was a stupid idea. Chad: Yeah. Control Z, Control Z. Go back. Yeah, I think I think that was probably I reckon I don't know if it was Rassie or someone in one of the coaching staff. Rusty probably made the call, said do this. And then some would have been like, Brother, we tried this in the first test. There was too much change. Just Byron: Didn't work. Yeah. Chad: can we just can we just put the boys back where they want to be? Because Jesse Girl and Damien had such a great game together, I think. Byron: They always have a good game together, the two of them. Always. I don't know why you would change Chad: Yeah. Byron: it. Chad: Jesse's game was I I enjoyed the game that Jesse played. I haven't seen Jesse play a game like that in a long time. But again, like we said, it was such a high level rugby game. Like it had everything. And yeah, Jesse I think did well. I think it was Eastern Hooker and Jesse Kierl for Man of the Match for me. Byron: What about in the seventy fifth minute, Damian Delinde making that tackle, getting up and then getting the steal? Brother, come on. That's so good. And Chad: Yeah, right. Yeah. Byron: then I think the person who made the biggest impact in that whole game, and I'm glad Chad: Mox? Byron: he's starting next week, Mornay Von der Berg. Chad: Mornay van den Berg. Bro, Mornay van den Berg. Sorry, you just reminded me. My moment of the match. Mornay van den Berg hits He's like, we want the scrum. Yeah, no, I heard Byron: Brother, he's on his knees, hands trying to steal the ball and he's looking at the ref and he's just going for Chad: on the ref's mark. The riff's like, get it, use it, use it, use it. He's like, but we want the scrum. Byron: No, I want the scrum. Chad: And then we got a penalty off that. It was so good. It was a thing of Byron: It was so good. Chad: a thing of beauty. I loved it. My absolute moment of the match. Byron: He's tackling. Did you see the most Chad: Yeah. Byron: the important tackles he put on? man, Chad: Yeah. Byron: I'm so glad he gets the start. He earned it. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Absolutely earned it. and getting better every game. He's I think his improvements since joining the Springback Alignment camps have been phenomenal. I can't wait for next season in the URC. Chad: Yeah, it's gonna be good. I hope it sticks and one, I hope he stays there. Byron: yeah, that's the other thing. Anytime someone gets good, they leave the Lions. Chad: Yeah, because the sharks or the bulls or Byron: Also, yeah, why would you rather live in Joburg or would you live in Cave Town or Durban? I Chad: Yeah. And get paid well. Byron: don't know about that, but Chad: A hundred percent. can I quickly read the stats out for that game again? Byron: That's all I've got for that game. Please do. Please do. Chad: So New Zealand had fifty six percent possession. Obviously Byron: Possession has hasn't won a single game this competition. Chad: Wild, right? the tries four to three. Conversions to all. I think that's also a was a big thing. Ruben Love missed a couple of kicks. I think he left Byron: Important kicks. Chad: yeah, I think he left seven points on the Byron: Not more? Wasn't it ten points? Wasn't it two penalties, Chad: Maybe Byron: two conversions? Chad: Maybe. penalties, we got Byron: Anyway. But the wind was horrific. Chad: one. Yeah, it was rough. line outs one. This is one of the only we've we only have three stats that are better than New Zealand. so penalty goals, we've got the one. Line outs won, twelve, and turnovers won nine to six. Everything else Byron: Malcolm Marks. Chad: is in yeah, everything else is in New Zealand's Byron: What I did think was cool as well is Sia Khulisi now becomes the winning most Springbok captain of all time with fifty five wins as Springbok captain. Chad: Does he? How just sus fifty five fifty five wins as captain. That's impressive. Byron: The winning most captain in South African history. Brother, Chad: Well done, sir. Captain my captain. Byron: I I know we've had Peter Steff as captain. We've had Jesse Creel as captain. We've had who else is a big leader? Even Etzabeth as captain. Chad: Mm-hmm. Byron: all great leaders, but nothing like Sia. Chad: No, seeers d like what he does inspires the players. Mm. Byron: Cause look, Paul DeVilius is exactly. Paul DeVilius is going to be a fantastic flanker. The number six for South Africa, absolutely. He's only twenty-three. He's going to be great. But Chad: Yeah. Byron: what Sia brings on that field in terms of passion and in terms of leadership, I don't know. Chad: Even when he's off the field, like once he's been subbed off, Sea is the number one Byron: Bro, he's more Chad: harp man. Byron: Exactly, he's more involved in the game off the field than when he's on the field. Chad: Yeah. Byron: That's that's one Chad: Yes, it must Byron: thing I don't know what we're gonna do with. Chad: Captain. Yeah. Byron: 'Cause he he brings a different level. He he he makes them play at a higher level when he's the captain. Chad: Yeah. I wonder if after Sierra retires if he'll join the the coaching team in some capacity. Byron: Like Dwayne Famirlin. Chad: Yeah. Byron: He has to. I can't see why not. Chad: You could put him as anything, even if he's just a fucking water boy. Yeah. Byron: Water boy. Hundred percent. The best fucking water boy that's ever lived will be C. A Kylisi. Chad: Yes, that's a little bit Yeah, we have to keep him going until he's four hundred and seven. Byron: Fill him up with peptides and all the other stuff that they're Chad: Yeah. Byron: allowed to do. I think that's it in terms of the ruggers from do you want ooh. Chad: I've got w I've got one more thing. I've got one more thing quickly. The Byron: Hit me. Chad: for the bigger picture for South Africa versus New Zealand. So we've played them 113 times now. We've won forty-five times. we've drawn four. New Zealand have won sixty-four times. So we have to win our next twenty games against New Zealand just to catch up. Byron: I mean look New Zealand, Chad: Isn't that a wild thing? Byron: I think in terms of stats will at least for the next decade will still be the leading team. They've just Chad: yeah. Byron: been they've been at a high level forever. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Whereas the Springboks kinda only entered the conversation after ninety five. Chad: Yeah. I'm n I'm just talking ab against each other though. I'm Byron: Yeah. Chad: talking one on one, yeah. Yeah. Byron: No, New Zealand, look, and I think I think it's been clear if you read the comments and the the conversations that people are having around this this this greatest rivalry. There is so much respect between the two nations when it comes to rugby. Because they both Chad: I don't know. Byron: love and appreciate the game and they love and appreciate the fact that both sides are playing it at a different level than everyone else at the moment. Chad: I re we are gonna try and get some guys that were actually at the game, one Kiwi, one South African, to talk about exactly that. Because seeing all the the con other content creators and everybody that's out and about and gone to watch the games and interviewing Kiwi fans that are in South Africa, it's been so wholesome to see. Like, yeah, just all all the stories. Byron: So wholesome. No no aggression, even when they lost, even when we lost. It's just respect. All out respect. Chad: Yeah. And I cannot wait for it to come here and And be on the other end of it. Byron: A month in New Zealand. epic. Epic. Chad: Yeah, we'll get you a blow-up mattress. You have to come. Byron: Deal. I'm down. I'm down. do you wanna do the actually hold on, I wanted to ask your opinion on something. There's one game left next week in Baltimore. Chad: It doesn't really matter. We've won the series. We can't lose we haven't lost the series. Byron: Okay, so my opinion on the matter is the series is over. Because a four-match series doesn't make sense. You either have a five-match series or a three-match series. A four-match series you can end in a draw, so it doesn't make sense. The series is over. This is now a game for world number one and for the Raeburn Shield. And to make a fuck ton of money for both nations. Chad: Yeah. But I wonder how much money let's have a look here. What is the if I look at the fixtures? do I have the fixtures on here? Byron: What is the ticket price in Baltimore? Chad: you mean if I did that? Byron: I'll look that up while ever you looking whatever you're looking up. I don't even know what that is. Chad: all fixture, what do you wanna Wanna do mint? I don't have it yet. Byron: What are you looking for? Chad: I wanted to see what the stadium capacity was. Byron: MNT Bank Stadium. Give me a second, I'll have the process now. Chad: I've got them here. So upper level is between one hundred and twenty seven and two hundred and four dollars. Lower level is thirty. Byron: Okay, so let's put two hundred USD two Z A R three thousand Chad: I don't know if this is USD or Byron: two hundred Rand for upper level. Chad: Let me double let me check. This might be converted, yeah. Yes, they're all shown in New Zealand dollars. I mean not Americ American dollars Byron: USD or New Zealand dollars? Chad: USD. so yeah. upper level, one twenty seven to two four, lower level two thirty to three hundred plus premium lower level, my god, seven Byron: How much? Chad: hundred and fifty eight dollars. Byron: twelve thousand Rand. Chad: That is Byron: Remember when I said at the beginning of this that the Baltimore thing is to make bank? This is bank. 'Cause you charge someone twelve thousand Rand for a ticket at Ellis Park, you're gonna get murdered. Chad: Mm sorry, let me share my screen here. I mean that's an option with or without that money. Byron: Ha ha ha. Chad: yeah, two tickets. Byron: we're on the same we're on the same website. That's hilarious. Chad: like eight hundred bucks. Byron: I see tickets here for eight seventy nine. Chad: He has once for one thousand Jesus, one thousand three hundred and one thousand four hundred bucks. Byron: One thousand four hundred is, I'll tell you now, twenty two thousand three hundred and thirty Rand. Chad: Mother, for that I better be getting Sierkalisi shorts after the game. Byron: I wanna run the water on the field for twenty two grand. Chad: No, that must bring you the water. The water boy must come to you. Byron: Ha ha ha. Duane Vermeulen running over water when I get thirsty. Chad: Yeah. Just bring over the cold beers. And afterwards I wanna go have a a brandy with Rassie Yeah, that's rough, That's Byron: Okay, so is it fair to say that the the series is over? This is a bonus game for both nations to make a lot of money and to decide world number one and who keeps the Raeburn Shield. Chad: Yes. Byron: Did you see they finally asked Rassie about the Raeburn Shield in the in the conference? Chad: I was just about to say, how good was that? I would have loved to have media credentials and ask those kind of questions more often. One day when we get big and strong, we will hopefully be in there. Byron: Shout out to World Rugby. If you want us to ask fun questions at press conferences, please give us media passes. Chad: Yeah. I think it's just the Springbok rugby we have to talk to. Maybe we should. I'll do it. I'll do it this week. Byron: We are we do have some fun news. I know we have spoken about it before, but about Hong Kong. Chad: Byron and I have booked our flights, booked our hotel. We are going to Hong Kong, so you will see us roaming around, interviewing, speaking to people, watching a little bit of Sevens a and just it's gonna be so fun. Byron: So shout out to Hong Kong China Rugby for the invite. We greatly appreciate it. Chad: Yep. It's gonna be exciting. So yeah, we'll keep you up to date with that. Tickets are books, flight Byron: Tickets are booked. Tickets are booked. We're going. Chad: flights are booked, hotels are booked, the only thing we need to pay for is all the fun that we're gonna have when we're there. Byron: So much fun. So thank you. This is exciting. Can't believe two little fools are gonna go watch rugby in Hong Kong. It's amazing. what else is there? I think that's that's everything. Could we cut all the kak? Is there more kak kak the cut? Cocking, cucking, cutting, cutting, cucking. Chad: let's have a look. I I don't think so. I think that's it. we do Squad, brother, what are we what are we doing here? Byron: Squad, the squad. Squad for next week. Chad, come on. Pull yourself together, man. We're professionals here. Chad: This is why we call him nice things. Okay. You ready? You gonna read the squad for us. Byron: Not much of a not a lot to talk about here compared to last week. Chad: No. There's not a lot. It is Byron: The forward pack, starting forward pack remains completely unchanged. So you've got Oxenchair, Malcolm Marks, who's now playing eighty minutes. Malcolm Marks is an eighty minute man. There's it's crazy. Ox Nche Malcolm Marks, Wilco Louw Eben Etzabeth, Ruan Noortje Siya Kolisi Pieter-Steph du Toit and Jasper Wiese. Chad: Me, it's such a good forward pack. Do you think Rassie's Byron: It's as good as it Chad: sticking so I know we've ex normally we try and like experiment 'cause we're going into the Rugby World Cup year next year. Do you think Rassie's found his his squad and he's trying to build experience and depth not depth experiences within this team so they all have game time together? Byron: I think it's a brilliant observation. My opinion on it though is that he knows that you can't experiment against the All Blacks You have to be at 100% every time you play the All Blacks And these these 23, obviously, we've lost Cheszy, but these 23 arguably. Chad: He'll be back in a year. He'll be back for the Rugby World Cup. yeah, yeah. Byron: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just talking about for this game with the broken jaw. Yeah, yeah. For you would argue this 23 is our best 23. So against the All Blacks, you have to play your best 23. But I think the moment this is done, we go back to 60 man squads. Chad: Yeah. Byron: then the backs, the big change, Mornay Vandenberg getting a start. So Cobus Reinach starts on the bench. and then Cheszi out and Damian Willemse in. Very happy to have him back. I mean, look, Cheslin starting at fullback, he made that one incredible saving pickup against Will Jordan. but we know that Damian Willemse under the hard ball is pretty much as good as it gets at the moment. Chad: Unreal. Yeah, I've got two things to talk about Byron: And that's Chad: in that. Byron: yeah. Chad: our highball, that's one thing that New Zealand really struggled with in the last game and they have for the last while. We're just so much better in that space. Ethan Hooker did an amazing job at it last weekend. Damien Willemse is arguably one of the best and Kurt-Lee Arendse is not far off. So Byron: In the air. Hmm a hundred percent. No. Chad: and Morne van den Berg's kicking his up and under and stuff were pretty pretty good. Byron: Spot on. Yeah. Especially with the against the wind, 'cause he was kicking against the wind. Chad: Yeah. So yeah, It's gonna be so good. Byron: Thomas the toy coming off the bench is so scary. Chad: And so at some point in the Rugby World Cup in the next year, 'cause we're very close, this entire team, Touchwood, There's No Injuries, could be the team that faces the All Blacks in the Rugby World Cup. 'Cause at some point we're gonna face them. It's either gonna be in a final or in a quarter final Byron: Round of sixteen. Chad: No no, it's not the round of sixteen, it's the one after it. It's either the quarter final or the final. Byron: Yeah, it's a quarter final. You're right. It's quarter final. Yeah. All the final. Chad: This team that's now beaten them so say we go we win this one, I think we will. Has beaten them twice and will go and play them for a third time Byron: No, we would have beaten them three Chad: And we'll probably Byron: times. Chad: Yeah. With this Byron: And then obviously we've got rugby championship next season as well. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Next year. But it's a shortened Chad: Yeah, it's Byron: rugby championship. So I think it's only three games. Chad: I haven't even looked yet. But we'll it's Byron: Usually the year of the World Cup they only play one each team once. Yeah. Chad: Yep. but yeah, it'll be interesting. Byron: It's so good. Just look at that. How scary. Everywhere on the field is scary. Chad: Yeah. When does Deon Fourie coming Byron: You can't? Chad: at? Is Deon Fourie coming in as is hookah or as Flink? Yeah. Fuck he's so good. Yeah. Byron: Dion Ferry comes on wherever he's needed. Dion Ferry will come on for the ref if that's if that's what it takes. Put him at fullback. You'll you w you'll find a way to be just as good as Damian Willemse at at thirty nine years old. Chad: And do you reckon that this is the actual team or do you reckon there's gonna be last minute changes, like there was a couple of weeks ago? Byron: I in my honest opinion, I think it's I find it incredibly interesting that we don't we didn't get a complete twenty three man change to travel to Baltimore. Chad: I thought there was gonna be I thought this team was gonna be a completely different beast. Byron: I thought everyone that didn't get to play and also maybe played in the first test would travel to Baltimore a week early or something crazy like that. Chad: Yeah, like what Rassie did for the rugby championship, was it? Yeah. Byron: Yes, yeah, when half the some of them went to Argentina and the rest went to New Zealand. Yeah. Yeah. Chad: Yeah. Byron: I mean I'm not mad about it. We get to watch these twenty three again. Please, any day of the week. Chad: I'm really I'm really, really, really wanna see Ethan Blackadder and Tavatava Nawai play against Jesse Kriel and Byron: Could you could you think that New Zealand might do what I just said and let the likes of Ethan Blackadder, Richie Mawanger, all of those guys who may not have got the opportunity to start in the first three tests, give them a full bash. Chad: I think look I'm I'm not having a shot here at Ruben Love 'cause I think he's pr probably one of the best at the moment to do it. but I think In any important games, experience that Richie Manga has, that Rubenup just doesn't have yet, if they want to obviously can't win the series, want to draw the series, I feel like that's that's your boy. I mean, look at him when he went to Canterbury, played over there, won two games back to back in the last minutes. Byron: got called up, then the lions kept him quiet. Chad: Yeah. But He's I think that's that's your boy. I think that's your boy at at ten, who starts, and then Ruben lab off the bench. Byron: So if if that would be the two changes you would make, you would bring on Richie Mowanga and you'd bring on Ethan Blackadder. Chad: And Tawa Tawa Nawa in the centres. Byron: If yes. Chad: put him on the wing. 'Cause that's where you play for the Mako. Byron: Brother, you can put him at flank and he wouldn't look out of place. Chad: You're probably and you'd probably have just as many turnovers 'cause he's fucking unreal. Once he gets Byron: Well Chad: his hands on the ball, it's basically impossible to move him. Byron: The way he's built, him and Malcolm Marks could be scrumming against each other next week. Chad: It could be. Yeah. Byron: no man, we're so I don't want the series to end. Chad: no. I was thinking about I was like, I could just watch New Zealand and South Africa play week in, week out for the next Byron: And never get bored. Chad: no. D yeah. Byron: So much fun. We're so spoiled. I love rugby. Chad: Yeah. I think that's it. That's all the Kak Byron: We cut all the kak, all of it, and we even added extra kak. Chad: It's a long episode, hundred and a hundred and eighteen minutes. An hour and eighteen minutes. Byron: Well, it will be cut shorter because we do we we we talk a lot of kak. Chad: Yeah. Byron: we just want to say thank you to all those that watch, share, and subscribe. Please keep supporting us. We really wanna do this on a bigger scale. so keep supporting and we'll keep growing and keep doing cool shit and bring all that cool shit to you. Chad: Adios. Byron: Thanks. Tell your auntie to like and subscribe. Goodbye.