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Terry Morris | Part 2 - One page deals & Bathurst wins & losses. · Rusty's Garage

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  listener.
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  G'day, it's Rusty here, all set for part two of my feature episode with Terry Morris.
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  If you've landed here and somehow missed part one, jump back to the library and give that a listen first.
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  Early life in Victoria, insurance sales and the learnings, the foundations from that which would help his business interests later after a move to the Gold Coast, meeting his wife, Lurleen, and discovering his other love.
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  Cars and motorsport.
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  The work that he did there to help a club grow and finding business opportunities in places most wouldn't have considered.
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  Plus, a cool car called a Zefska that he worked very hard to own.
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  Let's launch back into the convo now.
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  I reached out to Alan Gow ahead of our podcast today.
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  Lord Gow.
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  In the Gow.
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  So...
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  Now, this is a long story.
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  I'll get you to give your version of it.
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  The kind of headline he gave it was, two of my business partners got gourd, is what he described it as.
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  And he's referring to you two driving to Bathurst, but in Peter Aderton's skyline.
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  So, I can vividly remember
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  Peter Skyline and how cool I thought that damn thing was.
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  It was Marone.
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  Marone, exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  Now, he says, actually sharing this story with me, send a shiver, probably send a shiver down your spine too.
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  What happens here?
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  He borrows the car.
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  You're driving Sydney to Bathurst and back.
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  You needed a lift, obviously.
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  You're driving through, I think, the Blue Mountains.
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  What transpires next?
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  Yeah.
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  Ah, okay, we're coming past the Medlo.
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  Medlo bath, yeah.
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  Medlo bath, yeah.
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  There's a puck in front of us, Alan, gives a miss and a boot.
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  As those things go, Roar is past the truck, comes up in a corner he couldn't quite make, the car goes off the road into the trees and I'm thinking, no, don't tell me this is it.
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  Oh, wow.
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  gets out of the car, get out of the car, look around.
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  It's pretty badly damaged.
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  We're both okay.
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  I suffered a broken rib, I think.
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  That's what he says too, yeah.
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  And the cops come.
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  They're starting to interview Alan.
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  He said, you were speeding?
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  He said, no, I wasn't speeding.
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  The bloke gets out of the truck witnessing and he said, that bastard's spent past me.
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  Alan said, no, I didn't.
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  It was total denial.
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  And the cop went on for about 20 minutes and he just kept denying everything.
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  I'm trying not to laugh.
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  Anyway, the cop gave up.
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  He drove away and never heard any more about it.
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  Amazing.
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  Amazing.
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  The finishing part of that story is, and just to sort of underscore the relationship, I guess, all of you had, I think Peter might have offered to send him the Ferrari as a replacement.
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  Is that right?
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  I don't know how he...
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  I don't know.
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  I don't know.
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  But anyway, just to finish on what Alan's kindly offered here, he says...
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  Terry is a bloody gem of a bloke, and Australian motorsport is all the more richer, not just for the money, but the enthusiasm that you have ploughed into the sport in equal measures.
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  Great bloke, and we're fortunate that he loves the sport that we all do too.
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  That's very nice.
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  It's lovely.
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  At that time of the game, part of our business was marketing for the Hutt River Province.
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  Yes.
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  So I had him knighted.
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  He was Lord Gow.
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  And I used to send all the mail to him addressed to Lord Gow.
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  Did you?
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  You sent him a certificate saying he'd been anointed Lord Gow.
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  And he used to use that to get good accommodation in London.
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  Oh, fantastic.
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  We talked about the pension before.
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  The ultimate thing that we sit and enjoy today, I mean, Paul's had success in supercars and so on, there's...
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  I don't know if I want to look upon it as a victor.
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  I want to think of it as a chapter, if you will.
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  But when the super touring thing finally ended, how did you feel about that?
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  And did you still, you know, in the ever positive way that you are, look back on some of the successes you've enjoyed?
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  Yeah, it was – sometimes you've got to let go.
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  You've got to realise when something's dead, which we did.
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  Yep.
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  And then we started racing as a level three team in – Supercars.
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  Supercars.
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  Yep.
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  That's when you go and you might drive to Perth and you don't make the cuts, so you've got to come home like a golfer.
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  So we went to level two.
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  Then they brought in the new system where some got level one and some didn't.
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  Yeah.
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  And we had a long, drawn-out legal battle.
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  Battle, yeah.
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  No one's always in the right on those things.
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  Yeah.
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  You have firm ideas and never like to give up.
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  But I think Paul was probably instrumental in getting it solved.
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  He got Ross Stone, Roland, and myself together.
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  Before then, Roland said, Paul said, I've got to race with these blokes.
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  Let's see if we can fix it up.
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  Resolve this.
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  Which we did.
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  Good.
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  Good.
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  One story we haven't talked about, I don't know how you feel about it.
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  Obviously, in the 90s there, he and Beto team up for what would have been his first Bathurst win.
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  Yes.
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  And, you know.
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  It was.
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  Fundamentally, for a moment, it was, right?
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  I know the record books say something different.
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  They do, yeah.
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  How do you feel about that with the benefit of time now?
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  It's always been a sad thing and I still think that's one of the worst things that's ever happened to me.
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  Really?
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  Yeah.
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  How did you deal with that then, if that's the case?
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  Just let the anger boil up and remind yourself that time wounds all heals.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Did you hear what I just said?
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  Yeah, wounds all heals.
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  Yes, yes.
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  This is you with your one-liners, I know.
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  Yeah.
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  Can I then give a different bookend here, right?
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  And I know this takes quite a bit of time.
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  When he finally does it in 2014 on one of the craziest days in Australian motor racing, how did that make you feel?
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  That's incredible.
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  Amazing day.
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  I'm so pleased, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I think at the end of that year, I can recall working in an MC capacity at the Supercars Awards night.
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  He didn't tell me at the time, but I could sense it in the way he spoke on the stage that night that he'd almost made the decision that that was kind of basically it, wasn't it?
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  He was done.
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  He climbed that mountain.
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  Yeah, he literally climbed that mountain.
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  From your own personal perspective, you know, your love of motor racing, what Bathurst meant, you know, that the class win in 91, obviously, but...
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  Took a long time to get that, didn't it?
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  Yes, it did.
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  And I often think how lucky and how good it is Brad Jones and Kim, who I really respect.
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  Yeah.
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  They've never had that thrill yet.
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  And I'd love to see that happen for them.
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  For them, yeah.
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  You guys were sort of, I guess you could say like adversaries between BMW and Audi.
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  It was a great, great thing.
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  It was brilliant.
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  It was brilliant, right?
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  But I love the fact that you have in the broader offering of what Super Touring was, they played a very important part in all of that.
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  Oh, they did, yeah.
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  You've got to admire what they do, the Jones boys, what they've done.
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  They're incredible.
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  Yeah.
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  And then years later, I mean, for Paul to even have a steer of the Audi and be a part of all that was crazy.
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  He did, yeah.
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  Ran across an axle and had dropped out of a car with radishes, I think he was with them.
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  Was it?
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  Was it?
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Supercars, big Kev, the crash at Oran Park, that must have been pretty frightening.
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  Yeah.
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  That was scary, yeah.
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  That was when your heart drops right to your feet.
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  They dispatched me at the end of all that to come to the Gold Coast and it's like filming my mind now.
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  I can remember Paul getting special care out of the plane and being, you know, and if memory serves, it wasn't all that long later he was determined to get back in the car and go again, wasn't it?
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  He did.
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  Were you okay about all that or how did you feel at the time?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, if Paul had caused the accident and it had been a mistake on his behalf, I probably would have said to him, you know, you think about what you're doing.
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  But he was totally blameless in that.
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  Yeah.
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  Get back on the horse.
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  Yes, if you want to do it.
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  Yeah, which he did, which is tremendous.
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  That stage, though, was fundamentally your own operation or his own operation, wasn't it?
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  It was, yes.
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  Yeah, big mission then.
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  And the whole big Kev thing I love because that was something different in the sponsorship space.
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  I could remember him coming into Channel 10 and doing infomercials and stuff like that.
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  It just added something totally different, didn't it?
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  Yeah.
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  thing was that our dear friend since past, Bruce Ellery, he looked a bit like Big Kev.
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  Yes.
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  And Bruce was quite proud of his appearance and rightly so.
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  He's always neat as a pin.
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  But a lot of people came up and asked him for Big Kev's autograph.
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  Did they?
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  Bruce wasn't real happy about that.
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  I bet he wasn't.
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  You two, as in you and Lurl and the Ellery's, enjoyed some very special travels together, didn't you?
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  Wonderful people.
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  Do you miss him?
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  Very much, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Very, very... Oh, he's still very close friends with Lorraine and so am I.
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  That's lovely.
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  I miss having Bruce there.
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  That's lovely.
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  Let's come to a couple of other fun yarns if you don't mind.
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  I'm told you have stayed at Dale Juniors at the ranch.
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  Is there a yarn here, maybe a bonfire, Brad Koslowski?
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  Oh, that's interesting.
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  On a wonderful, wonderful time in your life that day, I was a wonderful host.
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  Yeah.
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  But he had built himself a little village on his property called Whiskey River.
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  Yeah.
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  Have you heard about Whiskey River?
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  I've heard bits from Paul.
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  I've not seen it.
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  It was like a set for a Wild West story, five or six stories.
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  It was a general store, a pub.
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  You'd finish your day's work in the workshop, then you'd go down to Whiskey River and start drinking.
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  And Keselowski was a junior driver for Dale then.
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  So he was staying with Dale as a guest.
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  And we'd get going and the nights would get cold, so you'd start a bonfire, a little fire.
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  But Keselowski, they'd, Les Small nicknamed him Pyro.
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  LAUGHTER Because he wouldn't stop throwing wood on the fire.
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  LAUGHTER
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  Let me dance on it.
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  Oh!
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  For a brief moment.
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  Yes, yes.
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  I don't know whether anyone still calls him pyro or not, but Brad Caslowski is always pyro to me.
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  To you.
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  I love that.
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  Tell me about flying in the private jet to Daytona too.
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  Is there a yarn around there?
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  Yeah.
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  Was it with Dale or what were you doing here?
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  He'd gone earlier, but the jet was sent back to get us, which is Paul and me and Les, and to a practice session and it was incredible.
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  Amazing.
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  Wonderful host, Dale.
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  Wonderful person.
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  Person, yeah.
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  You are equally, you know, the responses I've had from some people around you and when you're in their environment too, which we'll come to in a moment.
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  Just if I can, what does the business landscape look like for you now at your age?
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  Because where I'm leading to here, Owen Kelly has been on the podcast.
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  You two get on very well.
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  He goes, you've been a great mentor in business and racing and in life in general.
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  He says, you are always up for a good time.
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  You are really a 21-year-old trapped in an older person's body, he reckons.
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  And there are a few times that he can remember where Lurl would scold you after a quick glass of red turned into a few bottles and you'd be chuckling like the kind of naughty teenager as you do.
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  Lurl knows my twin brother very well.
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  Very well.
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  Okay, the business side of it then, this is a kind of good example maybe of perhaps how you operate.
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  He says when the Sea Road deal came together, and this is for people listening that perhaps don't know, we're talking freight and shipping between mainland and Tasmania, pretty significantly so.
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  When he says it was in the making, it needed a partner for the Kellys and he called Paul.
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  I think Paul was getting a haircut at the time.
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  Paul said, look, that sounds good.
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  Call TM.
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  So he does that.
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  And after about, I don't know, four or five minutes of explaining what he wanted to do, you said, Owen, just send me a one pager.
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  I don't know whether it was a fax or what it may have been.
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  And almost to the T, like next day, deal done.
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  That's simple.
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  Is that?
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  Yeah, that's it.
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  Yeah.
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  That's it?
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  Well, you knew the Kellys by reputation.
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  You knew Chas by reputation.
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  You knew Owen by reputation.
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  Good family.
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  Yeah.
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  Understood the business.
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  The synergy is just basically aligned.
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  Yeah.
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  Good punt.
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  Yeah.
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  Good punt.
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  And something that's...
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  Really what that is and what it does is pretty important, isn't it, between the mainland and... Oh, it's vital.
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  Yeah.
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  It is the highway.
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  It's a third of the...
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  There's three companies doing it, so it's a third of the superhighway between Tasmania and the mainland.
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  Does that sort of mean that, you know, when you come to boardroom situations and across your entire time of business, did you get really good at reading people and how to – or were you just single-minded from a goal point of view?
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  This is what we want to do, minimize the BS and get on with it.
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  Yeah, I know.
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  I've learned to trust everyone once.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  And if they do the wrong thing, they're discarded.
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  Yeah.
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  What about staff generally and keeping them either?
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  Yeah, the same thing really.
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  But people are terrific really if you give them a chance.
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  But you're big on giving them that chance.
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  Is that what you're meaning?
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  Oh, yeah, for sure.
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  Yeah.
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  Brodie Kostecki, I asked him for a little something here and he says, I wouldn't have necessarily one specific memory from TM, but more so if I've ever gone to him for advice, he always took in all the information that I had
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  He never tiptoed around the solution.
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  He just told it to me straight what he thought.
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  And that quality, Brodie feels, has definitely rubbed off on Paul and that's why he goes to Paul when he is in quote-unquote crisis for something.
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  TM and Lurl have been so welcoming, particularly during my time at the family house at the compound here.
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  I truly believe I would be nowhere today without that family opening up their home to me at an important time.
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  Yeah.
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  I think Lerlene treats Brody as another son.
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  Does she?
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  Yeah, she really has a great deal of affection for him.
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  For him, yeah.
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  No, I think he's a wonderful young man.
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  When did you kind of, like, you know, Paul's great at that talent spotting and realising that, you know, the potential that he had and all that sort of stuff.
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  Did you see that too or was it more the way he was striving, the kind of hunger that he had?
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  What was it?
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  I didn't see Brodie do a lot of driving until he got the Erebus deal.
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  Yes.
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  He was there.
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  Yeah.
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  I knew of his uncle Steve's thing.
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  I met Brodie's grandmother when I was spectating for the super trucks when Paul was racing at Adelaide.
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  Yes.
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  And I got talking to her a bit and Steve came in.
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  And I said, your boys are there.
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  I said, oh, you should.
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  I'll give you Paul's number.
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  You should think about sending the boys there so they can do a bit better.
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  Nice.
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  And I sent him an email.
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  Yeah.
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  Never got a reply.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  So what transpires next then?
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  I don't know.
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  His boys didn't get to... To Norwell.
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  Norwell, but Brodie did.
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  Wow.
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  Wow.
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  And look at the impact that that has had.
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  Yeah.
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  He's doing some great stuff now, right, from not just a driving perspective.
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  I feel like we're seeing more of that young man's – he's not a young man, but you know what I mean?
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  Like we're seeing more of his personality and, you know, the custodianship that comes with being a Bathurst winner or a champion and stuff like that, aren't we?
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  I was watching his podcast this morning with Nash and Ryland Gray and young Cade
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  Yeah, I love that for the supercars.
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  Yeah, but it's good to see Brady develop like that.
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  I'm very pleased with that.
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  The Super Touring Championship provided a significant opportunity for Lee Diffie early in his broadcasting career.
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  Through hard work, perseverance and a little help from the Morris' a door opened to television but it came about in an unusual way.
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  The dudes acres 500, jet skis, bikes, bareback horse riding and water slides, and Lee commentated it for fun over a makeshift PA.
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  It was pretty loosely run, but it was so much fun.
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  And we're just driving around and I'm commentating on it live.
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  And it was as simple as this.
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  At the end of that weekend, when everybody had sobered up, Paul went to his dad, Terry Morris, and said, Dad, we've got to get this guy on the Super Tourist.
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  Diff went on to call IndyCar and the famed Indy 500, Supercross in America and now NASCAR, he also commentates athletics including the 100-meter finals, the gold medal races at the Olympics.
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  Listen to the A Great Aussie Export story later, you can find it in the GarageBank catalog.
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  Now back to TM and Rusty.
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  Now, before we get to a little bit of stuff on Nash and things like that, can I come to Donnie Schott's?
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  Donnie Schott's.
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  So I've had, as a pure fan, the joy of seeing him on countless occasions here in Australia and the way, I mean, he's just so damn good as a sprint car racer.
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  So I don't know Donnie, you know, not enough to be able to text him or anything along those lines.
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  So Paul has helped connect us there, which I'm grateful for.
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  So I messaged Donnie.
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  He comes straight back to me and had remembered, you know, a little dialogue that we'd had.
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  Anyway, he goes, there's several things I'm going to bounce through here with Donnie.
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  Although it's been many years since I've seen TM, I remember first coming to keep the race car in the shed at the Morris' house here.
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  And the first morning after we'd raced, we naturally got everything out to wash it.
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  And there's a guy in the garden along the fence line gardening.
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  And we were there washing right next to the garden in the grass.
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  And we were trying not to interfere with the gardener.
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  And after we were all done with washing a couple of hours later, Paul comes through the shed and I told him, look, I've done my best here not to interfere with the gardener.
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  And he starts laughing and he says, that's not the gardener.
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  That's to him.
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  He said, I felt about an inch tall.
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  Do you remember that?
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  I do, yeah.
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  Don is a gem.
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  He is.
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  He talks about you in the same manner.
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  One thing he told me about, and I don't know if you still do this or whether you have a passion for it, he says he would often see you hitting golf balls in the yard and practicing your putting and so on, just being a kind of normal person.
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  Do you play a bit of golf and is that an escape for you or not really?
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  No, no.
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  When Bruce was alive, we used to play a lot together.
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  Did you?
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  I've had a few health hiccups, which has precluded me from doing it.
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  From doing it.
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  Okay.
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  Do you still follow it?
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  Oh, yeah, I do.
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  Yeah, but it's – I want to get back into it, but it's a bit restricted in my shoulder movement at the present.
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  Okay.
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  I'll continue here with Donnie for you, if you'll indulge me.
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  After getting to know TM, we would sit on the back patio of the river there, have great conversation over a glass of wine or three,
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  I would often talk to him about Donald Trump and his impact on countries and around the world, as many other businesses and interests that that kind of sparked in your mind.
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  Did you enjoy those conversations?
• 19:46
  Oh, yeah, Donnie's a very clever man and he's a very good, smart guy, Donnie Shocks.
• 19:52
  Not just a race driver, he runs a huge business, certified pilot.
• 19:57
  Love that.
• 19:58
  Oh, yeah, incredible guy.
• 19:59
  He says, I can't remember a time when TM didn't have a glowing smile on his face, whether it was at the Carrara Markets, Archerfield Speedway, or sitting on that back patio there.
• 20:09
  Now, another thing that stands out for me is that I am from a small state.
• 20:15
  I'm from North Dakota in the United States.
• 20:17
  TM researched and learned about my home state, its industry, its heritage, its background after meeting me.
• 20:22
  And each time we would be casually conversing, it amazed me how interested he was in learning about where I'd come from.
• 20:29
  He took a serious interest in learning about that and that made me feel so special.
• 20:33
  But that's him.
• 20:33
  He's special.
• 20:34
  He is one of a kind.
• 20:36
  And,
• 20:36
  And I think he talks here in relation to his own family.
• 20:39
  I'll paraphrase here a little bit, TM, if you don't mind.
• 20:42
  He says, I was never around many father-son families that were as close as TM and Paul are.
• 20:50
  Being around Terry helped shape my relationship with my own father to be better than it already was.
• 20:56
  I learned how to let go of a lot of things in life that you need to let go of.
• 21:00
  All it took was several years of TM and a couple of weeks of time.
• 21:05
  I love that.
• 21:05
  Yeah.
• 21:06
  That's just so much.
• 21:07
  Yeah, it's wonderful, isn't it?
• 21:08
  Yeah, it is.
• 21:09
  Yeah, I didn't realize I had that influence.
• 21:12
  Influence, there you go.
• 21:13
  I mean, he told me plenty of stories about his dad.
• 21:16
  Yeah, well, just how they got on and what they did.
• 21:20
  Yeah.
• 21:21
  Yeah, they built an incredible business and their truck stops and that.
• 21:25
  Yeah.
• 21:26
  You've never, I mean, we've rather... Maybe if they lived in Australia, they'd be up there in the top ten.
• 21:31
  Would they?
• 21:32
  Oh, yeah.
• 21:34
  Oh, yeah.
• 21:36
  You have never been, maybe it's never been a thing for you, TM.
• 21:41
  Sometimes when I walk into scenarios like that, Donnie Shots or Dale Jr. or whatever, I'm overawed.
• 21:48
  But do you just see them as another human being and you enjoy the conversation with them?
• 21:52
  What is that like?
• 21:52
  Yeah.
• 21:53
  You know, I'm always pleased to meet them, but you've got to respect what they've done.
• 21:57
  Yes.
• 21:57
  You've got to treat with respect.
• 21:59
  You don't fawn them, but you treat with absolute respect.
• 22:02
  Yeah.
• 22:04
  From Nash's point of view, he's on his own path, his own journey now and stuff like that.
• 22:09
  I see you on the pit roof at Sydney Motorsport Park or wherever it may be, right?
• 22:15
  And –
• 22:17
  What is that like for you now?
• 22:18
  Oh, it's fantastic.
• 22:19
  Is it?
• 22:19
  Yeah, it's great.
• 22:21
  You've got a great relationship with him, don't you?
• 22:23
  Yeah, I couldn't.
• 22:23
  He's a great kid.
• 22:24
  Yeah.
• 22:25
  He's a really good boy.
• 22:26
  Is he?
• 22:27
  Yeah.
• 22:28
  In letting him go on and pursue that, you know, naturally you want to give a bit of guidance.
• 22:32
  You've been around it a long time in a business sense and Paul's had some success and so on.
• 22:36
  But also you kind of have to let the reins go a little bit and let them grow and do it in their own area too, don't you?
• 22:41
  Yeah, he's good.
• 22:45
  do with all of that?
• 22:45
  He's out there literally today at Norwell, I think, isn't he?
• 22:47
  He's racing in Formula One next weekend.
• 22:52
  I'm probably the greatest BMX grandfather there was.
• 22:57
  Do you think of yourself like that or not?
• 23:00
  No.
• 23:01
  I got the great kick out of his Trans Am race at the big meet a couple of – 10 days ago.
• 23:08
  To go, yeah, Queensland, yeah.
• 23:09
  I thought that was a great drive.
• 23:11
  Excellent.
• 23:12
  Come to a couple of things to finish here if you don't mind.
• 23:16
  I'm not a believer in regret in life.
• 23:18
  I feel like you make the best decision that you have
• 23:21
  at the time with what is in front of you.
• 23:25
  Is there anything that you look back on now and think maybe I would have done that differently or is there still something racing or business orientated that you'd like to get your teeth into?
• 23:35
  I think the door's just about closed.
• 23:38
  Is it?
• 23:39
  Yeah, well, when you develop what we have over the years, your duty now is to get it in order for the next generation.
• 23:46
  That's quite a big job doing that for us.
• 23:48
  Yeah.
• 23:49
  So why create more problems you've got to solve?
• 23:54
  Okay.
• 23:55
  What's your, you know, the thing that you're most proud of in this whole… Journey?
• 24:02
  Yeah.
• 24:03
  Probably a family.
• 24:04
  Probably a family?
• 24:04
  Yeah.
• 24:05
  Yeah, for sure.
• 24:06
  Amazing.
• 24:07
  You've got beautiful around the house here today.
• 24:09
  Like I've seen pictures of the…
• 24:11
  the grandkids and now the great-grandkids and so on.
• 24:15
  Do you think there might be another racer in the Morris family?
• 24:18
  What do you think?
• 24:20
  Now she'd better get busy.
• 24:21
  The other side of the family is totally involved in surfing and some talented kids there in athletics.
• 24:32
  Love it.
• 24:33
  The great-grandson, he's a wonderful little athlete.
• 24:36
  Is he?
• 24:37
  And the granddaughter, she's an incredible little show person.
• 24:40
  Okay.
• 24:42
  To finish here, as you look at motor racing and the state of motor racing in this country, what things would you wish for it as it goes forward in the next sort of decade?
• 24:51
  Maybe it doesn't have to necessarily be supercars.
• 24:54
  It could be from an administration perspective.
• 24:56
  One thing they could do that would change the whole complexion of everything is have a rule that –
• 25:01
  If you're racing and you come up behind someone and you're there for two laps, you've got to move over and let him go.
• 25:06
  Yep.
• 25:07
  Then if he gets ahead and you do the same thing to him, he's got to repeat the favour.
• 25:11
  Gotcha.
• 25:12
  Simple.
• 25:14
  Think about what a difference it would make.
• 25:15
  Make to the quality of the racing as well.
• 25:17
  Well, it means if you let him go and you catch up with him, you're racing as good as him.
• 25:24
  But if he drives away from you,
• 25:28
  You deserve to get past.
• 25:29
  Absolutely.
• 25:30
  Absolutely.
• 25:31
  We've only scratched the surface, I reckon, here today, but I've had a lovely chance to kind of reminisce with you a bit.
• 25:37
  I hope you've enjoyed it.
• 25:38
  Wonderful, Greg.
• 25:39
  Thank you.
• 25:39
  Great to see you being so successful with what you're doing.
• 25:43
  I've loved it, TM, just to capture a bit of this, and I'm grateful to the people who've contributed to it, but I think that says so much about you.
• 25:51
  Thank you.
• 25:52
  Well done.
• 25:52
  Thanks, Greg.
• 25:52
  Thanks, Greg.