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77: Project: POE · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 2: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 3: To your stations, we have a movie meltdown.
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  Speaker 2: Where am I?
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  Speaker 3: The pit of despair. Don't even think about.
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  Speaker 5: Don't even think about trying to escape.
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  Speaker 6: What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I am Brian,
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  Speaker 6: and with me this week, we're doing sort of a
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  Speaker 6: special little offshoot episode here. I have with me Freddie. Freddie,
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  Speaker 6: introduce yourself. Hi there.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Freddie from notlp.com. That's Nine to the Living podcast.
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  Speaker 7: We're your neighbors to the east in Cincinnati, Ohio.
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  Speaker 6: We've been discussing doing some sort of crossover show for
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  Speaker 6: a while. And finally, I've actually had this one in
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  Speaker 6: mind and wanted to do something with you anyway. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I thought I'd throw it out there and see if
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  Speaker 6: you were up for it. Yeah, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 6: I really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 7: It's kind of tough when we see each other. We
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  Speaker 7: usually see each other at Horror Hound Weekend, and that
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  Speaker 7: is a madhouse. Yes. Yeah, nothing ever gets done that
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  Speaker 7: we say we're going to do.
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  Speaker 6: Pretty much. Even discussing this last time got completely overshadowed
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  Speaker 6: by craziness.
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  Speaker 7: 7,000 attendees.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, last time was ridiculous.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was insane.
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  Speaker 6: It was out of control.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right, man. So it's a pleasure to be
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  Speaker 7: on Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 8: No problem.
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  Speaker 6: Glad to have you here. And I think, yeah, we'll
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  Speaker 6: have fun with our topic of the week here. But
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  Speaker 6: before that, I guess just follow our normal dorky procedure here.
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  Speaker 6: We'll roll into the geek activities. For me, this past week,
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  Speaker 6: this was certainly very geeky. It may give you a
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  Speaker 6: chance to discuss things you usually get stuck with a
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  Speaker 6: whole lot of horror. I branch it out and throw
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  Speaker 6: a lot of things in there. So I don't know
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  Speaker 6: if you had or have seen the new version of
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  Speaker 6: Iron Man.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I haven't. Right now we're on this crazy
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  Speaker 7: shoestring budget around the house where we have cut out
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  Speaker 7: new movies at the theater, which is awful for somebody
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  Speaker 7: who's a movie fan as hardcore. So, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 7: like somebody taking cocaine away from 1980s era Paul Reubens.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 7: So it's pretty severe. um so i'm i'm i have
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  Speaker 7: no idea what's going on iron man 2 and and
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  Speaker 7: i don't know if i'm gonna be able to uh
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  Speaker 7: to contain myself so i so i take it you've
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  Speaker 7: seen it.
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  Speaker 6: I well that was the thing i i kind of
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  Speaker 6: avoided the first one for a long time like up
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  Speaker 6: until last week still hadn't seen the first one i
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  Speaker 6: think it was just too much hype too much in
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  Speaker 6: on the ads for and i was just kind of
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  Speaker 6: like whatever i wasn't that worried about it so I
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  Speaker 6: just hadn't had anything to do with it, hadn't watched
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  Speaker 6: it on DVD or anything, and then started seeing the
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  Speaker 6: ads for two a couple months ago and was like, huh,
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  Speaker 6: all right, that looks kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 7: I'm a huge fan of the first film. I was
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  Speaker 7: blown away when I saw that. It's just kind of
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  Speaker 7: a testosterone-driven manly movie, and I hadn't seen something quite
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  Speaker 7: that balls-to-the-wall in a long time. So when I saw
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  Speaker 7: they were making a second one, I was really excited.
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  Speaker 7: But now it's kind of like, it's going to be
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  Speaker 7: one of those things that I have a feeling I
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  Speaker 7: won't get to see it until it's out on DVD.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I'm more one of those guys. I watch
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  Speaker 7: older stuff that I can, you know, get for free
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  Speaker 7: streaming on the internet.
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  Speaker 6: Well, that was, yeah, that was what I did this
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  Speaker 6: week was I ended up realizing I kind of wanted
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  Speaker 6: to go see two and was like, well, obviously I
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  Speaker 6: need to track down one. And it's funny how many
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  Speaker 6: like places didn't have it because, you know, I was like,
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  Speaker 6: If I could have found it cheap enough, I probably
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  Speaker 6: just would have bought it, but I wasn't really around
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  Speaker 6: anywhere that had it. And then I went to the
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  Speaker 6: rental store one time, and of course they were gone
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  Speaker 6: because everybody's watching it again before two.
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  Speaker 7: Did they have like an asylum version of it where
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  Speaker 7: it's like Pots and Pans Man or something?
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  Speaker 6: It's like Nickel Man.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's like, because, you know, there's got
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  Speaker 7: to be something that's a reasonable facsimile of Iron Man
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  Speaker 7: that you can watch.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure there is, unfortunately. But no, I didn't find
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  Speaker 6: any knockoffs. eventually by the next time I went back,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I guess the, the coolness factor had worn
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  Speaker 6: off and, you know, all the kids had moved on
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  Speaker 6: to something else. So that was still sitting there then.
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  Speaker 6: So I watched the first one this past week and, um, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: much like you were saying, although my thing was, I
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  Speaker 6: think as I was, I was expecting this big hyped up,
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  Speaker 6: you know, cheesy superhero movie, I was surprised how realistic it.
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  Speaker 7: Kind of was.
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  Speaker 6: Like it really existed in a real world. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: he's like dealing with terrorists and, you know, Up until
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  Speaker 6: you get to the crazy science involved in making the suit,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, the rest of it is still a pretty
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  Speaker 6: real-world scenario that most superhero movies aren't.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true. Well, there's a certain grittiness to it,
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  Speaker 7: especially the opening sequence when he is visiting the soldiers.
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  Speaker 7: That's when I knew, when I saw the first film,
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  Speaker 7: that it was going to be something different. Because, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: it did. It felt like a scene out of something
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  Speaker 7: like Three Kings or... It felt like something out of
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  Speaker 7: a straight Iraqi war movie. And then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 7: before you know it, there's this insane amount of action
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  Speaker 7: that's just not letting up. To me, that's appealing. I'm
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  Speaker 7: a rube. I will go for action over substance. If
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  Speaker 7: it's well done, nine times out of ten, I'll go
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  Speaker 7: for the flashy, shiny action. wild stuff over the actual substance.
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  Speaker 7: But the beauty of it is that movie, you know,
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  Speaker 7: it's a superhero movie, but it has action and it
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  Speaker 7: does have a layer of substance with the character, which
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  Speaker 7: even without really scratching the surface on his problems with
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  Speaker 7: addiction and everything, the Tony Stark character, they hint at
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  Speaker 7: things just enough. You can kind of see why he's
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  Speaker 7: going to become that kind of troubled, dark character later
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  Speaker 7: and the evolution of that. So I just thought it
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  Speaker 7: was kind of a compelling movie. For something that was
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  Speaker 7: a comic book film, it's really compelling.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd heard pretty good things about it, the first one.
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  Speaker 6: And was still kind of surprised on how well it
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  Speaker 6: came together. It does have a pretty good story. And
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  Speaker 6: it's a pretty decent picture of this character. And it
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  Speaker 6: does do the whole breakdown of a good middle of
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  Speaker 6: the movie isn't crazy action scenes. It's him... working it
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  Speaker 6: out it's him figuring out how to be this superhero
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  Speaker 6: and it's it's kind of an interesting turn too when
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  Speaker 6: when you realize this you know he he does kind
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  Speaker 6: of have that spoiled rich kid kind of thing going
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  Speaker 6: on and find some reason to you know be a
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  Speaker 6: better person that's it's kind of a cool character development
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  Speaker 6: thing and i guess they are going to sort of
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  Speaker 6: continue on taking weird turns in that direction as his
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  Speaker 6: character develops but.
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  Speaker 7: That also kind of speaks to our mentality in this
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  Speaker 7: country right now especially as um we question, one, we
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  Speaker 7: question our own government more openly now than, you know,
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  Speaker 7: if you look back to, we've come a long way
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  Speaker 7: since like McCarthyism, where, you know, it's okay to question
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  Speaker 7: your government, despite what a lot of people felt during,
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  Speaker 7: you know, the Patriot Act heyday, that this movie kind
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  Speaker 7: of expresses that maybe we're not always doing the right
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  Speaker 7: thing by by arming ourselves to the teeth and going
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  Speaker 7: into these countries and blowing up all these buildings and everything.
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  Speaker 7: So there was kind of an interesting message that it's
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  Speaker 7: an action movie that is pro-peace in a lot of ways,
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  Speaker 7: you know, and anti-war. And ultimately, he's a weapons manufacturer
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  Speaker 7: who becomes an anti-war advocate.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Which is, that's kind of a deep concept when you
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  Speaker 7: really think about it.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 6: It's like it hits that moment where he becomes sort
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  Speaker 6: of anti-war. But then it's funny that as the story unfolds,
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  Speaker 6: it's like his way of, you know, taking the world
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  Speaker 6: to the next level and bringing peace to the world
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  Speaker 6: is by kicking people's ass. Of course, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Otherwise, it'd be a really dull movie.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I know. But I mean, that's the thing. I
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  Speaker 6: love that third act there. But it's funny that then
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  Speaker 6: by the beginning of this next movie, he's like, you know,
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  Speaker 6: he's kicked everybody's asses, basically. And he's, you know, He's
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  Speaker 6: sort of calmed down all the problems in the world.
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  Speaker 6: But it's funny that, you know, I'm bringing peace to.
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  Speaker 7: The world, but yet I'm major pain.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm arming myself and blowing shit up to do it.
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  Speaker 7: There's nobody left to kill. You've done killed everybody.
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  Speaker 6: That's the American way, right?
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 7: It's like, we will bring you peace if we have
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  Speaker 7: to kill you to do it.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, man. So it is it's an interesting movie. And
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  Speaker 6: I don't think I knew like I really hadn't read any.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I was kind of hit and miss on
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  Speaker 6: comic books growing up. I had a lot of them,
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  Speaker 6: but I there's a lot of big ones I never
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  Speaker 6: got to. And Iron Man was one I just really
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  Speaker 6: knew very little about. So I think I didn't realize
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  Speaker 6: how much he's. It's sort of the Marvel version of Batman.
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  Speaker 6: It really is. He's just a rich guy who makes
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  Speaker 6: himself a superhero. Only he's almost way richer than Batman.
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  Speaker 7: He's got more swagger than Batman, I think. Whereas Batman
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  Speaker 7: is this tortured soul who almost feels like he has
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  Speaker 7: to be this superhero. The beauty of Tony Stark in
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  Speaker 7: Iron Man... it's the first movie I've seen in a
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  Speaker 7: long time where the hero really revels in the fact
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  Speaker 7: that he is a superhero and he enjoys it. It's
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  Speaker 7: more like, yeah, that's what most guys watch in the movie.
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  Speaker 7: That's how they feel. They're like, if I had that shit,
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  Speaker 7: I would be rocking it all over Los Angeles, blowing up.
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  Speaker 7: the Hollywood sign, you know? So that's kind of like
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  Speaker 7: his style and his taste, you know, the taste of
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  Speaker 7: that character is interesting in how much of a rock
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  Speaker 7: star superhero he is.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's kind of what's cool about this movie,
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  Speaker 6: you know, the whole, both of them, I guess, is
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  Speaker 6: how much they kind of go with that because we've
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  Speaker 6: had so much Batman in the last few years and
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  Speaker 6: we've got the dark, brooding, you know, angry superhero. So
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  Speaker 6: this is like, you know, they take what's basically the
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  Speaker 6: same basic idea of a character and then go the
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  Speaker 6: entire opposite direction and we really do see like that
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  Speaker 6: ego come out and and it's funny that they got
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  Speaker 6: robert downey jr because it fits him so perfectly because
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  Speaker 6: he really does seem like in the real world he
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  Speaker 6: could very well be this exact same guy and kind
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  Speaker 6: of is when you see him in interviews he's he's
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  Speaker 6: got sort of being a jackass down to a science
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  Speaker 6: but almost at the point where you still like him
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  Speaker 6: in the process.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah i i feel that way but um Andy from
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  Speaker 7: our show cannot stand Robert Downey Jr.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: And I think a lot of it is that arrogance.
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  Speaker 7: He says he's so smug that he has a hard
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  Speaker 7: time digesting that and enjoying the character. He has a
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  Speaker 7: hard time enjoying any parts that the actor plays. And
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  Speaker 7: I just think that's interesting how appealing he is to
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  Speaker 7: me and how unappealing he can be. I mean, it
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  Speaker 7: works for some and not for others, but I think
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  Speaker 7: it's safe to say that the majority really dig Robert
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  Speaker 7: Downey Jr.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an interesting mixture because I see both sides.
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  Speaker 6: It's like I totally get the smugness and I get
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  Speaker 6: the fact that he's really just very pompous and full
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  Speaker 6: of himself and the character Tony Stark. But at the
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  Speaker 6: same time, it sort of works. It's like, especially within
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  Speaker 6: the movie, and I haven't seen the Sherlock Holmes, but
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  Speaker 6: he kind of plays that same character there, too, where it's,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I can do whatever I want. I know everything.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sort of better than everybody else. But at the
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  Speaker 6: same time, He's still likable. You almost have to give
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  Speaker 6: Robert Downey Jr. credit for being able to sell that
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  Speaker 6: because that's a hard thing to sell as a character.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it's true, yeah. I think that he's got a
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  Speaker 7: level of intensity when he plays these characters where he... Well, one,
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  Speaker 7: you know he's always having fun. You can tell that.
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  Speaker 7: And two, he seems to... Like you say, he plays
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  Speaker 7: characters who have reasons to be confident. So you excuse
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  Speaker 7: the smugness When somebody is so good at something, there's
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  Speaker 7: a certain point where you excuse a certain amount of arrogance.
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  Speaker 7: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 6: It's like they're actually allotted that much. You've sort of
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  Speaker 6: earned it for being that good at something. Right, exactly.
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  Speaker 7: So I think that that's where he gets off. If
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  Speaker 7: he wasn't so good at what he did, maybe he
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  Speaker 7: would be more of an asshole kind of character.
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  Speaker 6: Probably.
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  Speaker 7: You don't mind that we swear, right?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 6: We swear constantly.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, I just want to make sure.
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  Speaker 6: Okay. I'm lucky to contain the rest of them. That's
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  Speaker 6: just usually from the movies I pick. It causes massive swearing.
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  Speaker 6: I saw that one and then followed it up with
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  Speaker 6: going to see Iron Man 2. I won't go too
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  Speaker 6: far into it since you haven't seen it. It sort
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  Speaker 6: of continues down that road. It is funny that I
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  Speaker 6: brought up the Batman scenario because to me it almost
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  Speaker 6: goes in that same direction where Both the last two
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  Speaker 6: series of Batman movies have gone. They've taken sort of
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  Speaker 6: a very simple idea of the first movie and then
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  Speaker 6: really expanded things by the next movie. I'm almost thinking
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  Speaker 6: even the Batman Returns with Tim Burton. When all of
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  Speaker 6: a sudden we went from having one villain and a
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  Speaker 6: very simple superhero structure to having three villains and having
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  Speaker 6: all these other stories going on in the background. That's
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  Speaker 6: kind of where they go with it. Not quite as
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  Speaker 6: convoluted as that could get, but we've got... several different
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  Speaker 6: people working as sort of background story and alternate nemesis.
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  Speaker 6: And it becomes a lot more complicated than the first one,
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  Speaker 6: I'll say that.
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  Speaker 7: So in other words, it follows what happens in comic
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  Speaker 7: books more.
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  Speaker 6: Pretty much, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: They always strip down all the excess. When these films
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  Speaker 7: are made, they always come from these rich universes of
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  Speaker 7: comic book characters. And then they test the waters with
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  Speaker 7: one or two characters, and then they open the floodgates.
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  Speaker 7: It seems to happen with every superhero film. The floodgate
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  Speaker 7: opens in film two, and they start saying, okay, if
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  Speaker 7: the audience bought that a man can dress up like
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  Speaker 7: a bat and fight crime, they're going to buy that
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  Speaker 7: somebody was born looking like a penguin. They kind of expand,
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  Speaker 7: and they just kind of push the envelope more and
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  Speaker 7: more and more and keep adding more characters until they
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  Speaker 7: have to reboot... because nobody's buying it anymore and start
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  Speaker 7: over with the basics again. Like, this has happened so
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  Speaker 7: quickly with Spider-Man.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's kind of, yeah, they definitely did the Spider-Man,
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  Speaker 6: but the Batman one kind of fits so well because
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  Speaker 6: one of the characters really reminded me, like in Batman Returns,
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  Speaker 6: how they do that switch up where the big villain
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  Speaker 6: is supposed to be the penguin, but really, as you
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  Speaker 6: watch the movie, like, behind the scenes, by the end
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  Speaker 6: of the movie, really, Christopher Walken is kind of like
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  Speaker 6: the real villain.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Right he becomes he becomes the real evil character and
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  Speaker 6: you know the penguin's just there to be kind of
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  Speaker 6: weird and gross and and it works on that level
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  Speaker 6: but uh in this one we kind of get that
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  Speaker 6: the the same thing it's like the the main bad
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  Speaker 6: guy the very comic booky superhero bad guy is a
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  Speaker 6: you know mickey rourke and it's supposed to be you
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  Speaker 6: know that's who it's supposed to be and he fits
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  Speaker 6: that but then as it goes on sam rockwell comes
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  Speaker 6: in and kind of steals the spotlight and becomes this
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  Speaker 6: like Much like the Christopher Walken, he's a businessman and
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  Speaker 6: he's kind of swarmy. He definitely falls into that little
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  Speaker 6: niche that they create in these movies. And then we
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  Speaker 6: get all these other characters thrown in. You get the
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  Speaker 6: Scarlett Johansson thrown in as the femme fatale, who can
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  Speaker 6: be the Catwoman. You've got all these other little... They
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  Speaker 6: just throw in a lot of characters that kind of
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  Speaker 6: fall into that trapping of all these superhero movies.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, kind of like more set dressings. And the villains
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  Speaker 7: have a deep bench. The villain always has to have
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  Speaker 7: a deep bench. You have to go through a lot
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  Speaker 7: of ballplayers before you get to the coach. I think
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  Speaker 7: that's a good thing in action movies is that there's
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  Speaker 7: always somebody pulling the strings. There's always a Mr.
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  Speaker 9: Big.
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  Speaker 7: And then ultimately that gives your hero character the chance
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  Speaker 7: to kill more people.
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  Speaker 6: Which is what we want. Exactly.
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: You want them to work their way through the henchmen.
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: You want to see those guys get killed. You want
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: to see somebody who might you might consider could be
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: the big villain, but they can never totally win out.
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: There has to be some mastermind always behind it. Because
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: once the hero has killed everybody, like Major Payne, then
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: you end up with him hanging out and remarrying and
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: having stepkids.
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: Oh, God. Well, here's the interesting thing with this one
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: is that Marvel, this time around, because now I guess
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: it's entered this new universe of being able to make movies,
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: that they're kind of working that on both ends. They've
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: also got the bigger guns kind of coming in to
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: control things. They're just sort of hinting at it still,
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: like they did with the first Iron Man movie. But
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: we've got this Nick Fury character that keeps coming in,
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: and now they've put the Scarlett Johansson character, which at
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: the time I didn't read the comics. I didn't know
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: if she was going to be more of a villain
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: or something like that, but she is a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: So it's like you bring in all these S.H.I.E.L.D. characters
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: that are actually sort of planning somewhere down the line
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: to be pulling the strings on all the superheroes, too.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: It's just sort of getting into where we have that
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: on both ends now. The villains and the heroes have
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: that coming in.
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think that adds an interesting thing. If
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: it's played right, an ensemble heroic cast allows for some tragedy.
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: You know what I mean? Like, you can kill off
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: a hero character if they're part of a team. And
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: then the audience will be like, no!
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: How is this possible?
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: And then the rest of the heroes can go about
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: avenging that person, you know? It allows that license to
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: a writer, although I doubt they'll take it with any
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: of these particular characters in the franchise that they're building.
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: But I think that that's kind of the fun part
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: of heroic ensemble pieces is that you never know who's
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: really going to make it to the end.
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: On the heroic side. Yeah, it'll be hard for them
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: to do in the movies because each lead actor is
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: such a big star and they want to be able
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: to keep making movies on their own if they're successful anyway.
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: So it would be hard to just off one of
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: them unless they felt like they were done with that
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: character or their contract was up or whatever.
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: I have a theory. I have a theory that by
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: the time the Avengers film is ready to be released,
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: Robert Downey Jr. is going to be about done playing
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: Iron Man.
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: They already play a weird card in this one anyway,
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: so I'll let that happen. But yeah, because I was
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: wondering that too. We were talking about that on our
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: show a couple weeks ago. Tony Stark and Iron Man
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: are such a big deal and so full of themselves
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: and take charge that once you get into the Avengers,
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: he's not really in charge of it. It's pretty much
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: Captain America that takes the control of the whole thing.
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: So how is it that they're going to be even
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: able to have Iron Man, let alone have him be
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: taking orders from somebody else you know it's like that
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: that doesn't seem like it would work especially with with
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: the robert downey jr version of tony stark.
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: So and i'm coming more from the angle that he's
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: not getting any younger yeah there's gonna come a point
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: where iron man the franchise as great an actor and
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: as much as he's brought to the character of Tony Stark,
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: you've got War Machine, I understand, is in the second film.
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: The suit, they're going to start banking the suit as
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: a star and milk that as long as they can
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: because there's going to come a point where you're not
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: going to buy a 60-year-old Robert Downey Jr., you know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: as an action hero necessarily. I could be wrong. I mean,
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: look at what Sly Stallone's doing. Yeah, really. You know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: and he's totally still believable in those parts.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: As much as he ever was.
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, no, I totally buy him. I'll tell you,
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: I'm really looking forward to The Expendables.
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: I was looking forward to it. I just don't know
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: what to think of it now. I really am curious.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: I still want to see it. but i'm just like
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: it could go one of two ways yeah it could
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: be awesome and really want be the throwback to the
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: 80s that it wants to be or it could just
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: be the biggest train wreck ever either way i kind
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: of want to be there.
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: For exactly that's the way i look at it too
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: it's like i'm not going to be disappointed with that
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: no matter what happens just because uh the concept alone
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: it can't be if you go back and re-watch some
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: of these 80s action flicks it can't be any cornier
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: than they are I mean we hold them in reverence
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: because of nostalgia but if you rewatch them a lot
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: of times they're the corniest shit in the world except
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: for the very first First Blood I.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: Thought that's still that's a good yeah.
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah but as far as you know where Marvel's going
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: with everything it's gonna be interesting to see especially now
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: that Disney owns them and Disney obviously they're the kings
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: of marketing um and it's just gonna be interesting to
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: see how much life they can get out of Iron
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: Man I mean the films are already way more successful
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: than the comic ever was.
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah That's the thing. It's like I didn't really pay
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: that much attention to Iron Man as a kid. I
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: remember it. It was out there. But yeah, I wasn't
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: all that into him. And they've definitely pulled him up
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: to almost an A-list superhero now where he really wasn't before.
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he absolutely is an A-list superhero now.
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: But it will be interesting, I guess, if they can
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: pull off this superhero team. Because, at least on film,
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: we've never really had that. We've never really had a
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: successful team, you know, especially with crossover characters. I mean,
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: they've done that in comics for years. Even, you know, TV,
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: we all grew up on the Super Friends. And we
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: had a show that kind of did that. But as
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: far as, you know, film, they really haven't had anything that's...
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: most of it hasn't even attempted.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: To do that.
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: So it's, it'll be interesting to see if I can
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: pull it off.
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: Well, the closest thing was the X-Men films were pretty good. Um,
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: I felt personally, I never had quite the level of
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: enthusiasm that a lot of people I know did about
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: those movies. Um, and I have yet to see X-Men
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: three or Wolverine.
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: Um, I've, I've seen three and it's much like everybody
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: hates it. It's not the best movie ever. I avoided
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: Wolverine too.
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: My issue with it is, take a movie like Ocean's Eleven.
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: That's a great ensemble piece where you have these characters
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: doing an extraordinary mission together. I think that superhero movies
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: could take a cue from movies like that and movies
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: like Inglourious Bastards where you have an ensemble of heroic
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: characters doing something and it doesn't have to always be
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: super heroic flashy special effects although i love that stuff
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: but i'm thinking uh a heroic a super heroic movie
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: could be more interesting if somebody broke it down on
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: that level where each person had very specific things that
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: were part of a mission you know what i mean
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: where you could follow along and see how clever these
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: characters were and that they didn't just have superpowers but
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: you know blend the two.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: They weren't always trying to one-up each other which is
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: what it probably will be it's like in most situations
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: you know well he's really the big hero he's got
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: to come out and do this so if yeah it's
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: like the oceans 11 they all kind of factor in
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: and nobody really you know you know the bigger stars
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: get a little more important roles in it but you
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: know still they all sort of factor in and I
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: think yeah it could definitely benefit from doing something like that.
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah because the end game in these movies the superhero
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: movies is always the big fight sequence and they're getting
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: more to the point where I think they're tempted to
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: throw every character they can into a huge super battle
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: and where people are destroying their scenery left and right.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: Which Iron Man 2 does not disappoint on, by the way.
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I assume that's something you grow to expect,
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: but there is, I think, going to come a point
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: where some fans are going to crave something that's a
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: little more like kind of an intellectual ending, that has
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: something where they've outwitted the villains more so than just
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: out-clobbered them.
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: So I'm kind of curious to see if anybody... takes
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: you know takes a story in that direction that will.
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: Be interesting but yeah that's pretty much what i did
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: this week did you have any uh geeky activities to
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: go into.
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: The geekiest thing i did all week was um i
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: downloaded this freeware called i think it's called comic book
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: rack or comic rack already it is it's like itunes
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: for your comic book call it your digital.
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: Comics wow that is super geeky i.
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: Highly recommend it and i barely ever read comics anymore
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: i just had a few minutes on my hands and
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: i was like i want to organize my digital comic
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: book collection that was the geekiest thing i did all week.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: Do you read digital much versus you know the actual
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: hard copies anymore.
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: Let's put it this way um I can't afford the
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: hard copies right now.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: I know that, but I fall into that category too.
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I sometimes will read digital comics if they
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: happen to fall into my lap, but I don't actively
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: seek them out anymore because I just don't have time.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: What little I've dealt with them yet, I don't know.
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: There's certain things I'm good with sitting in front of
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: the computer and doing, and there's other ones I'm not.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: I'm usually not big on watching movies on the computer.
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: If there's any way for me to watch it on
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: my TV... I'd much rather go sit and do that.
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: It's kind of like that with reading, too. It's like
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: as much as I don't really read in the real
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: world anyway, I sit in front of the computer so
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: much working on the show and stuff like that that
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: when it comes down to doing anything else, like even
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: reading a comic book, I almost would want to get
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: away from the computer.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree with you on that.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: A lot of people are moving to that as a medium.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: So it's definitely taken over.
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: It's not the same. It's the closest thing. And this
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: is something I was very excited about, the iPad coming out.
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: Although I don't want to shell out $ 400 for comic books.
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: Because that's essentially the main reason I was interested in one.
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: The idea of, especially I have the Marvel. Marvel has
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: an app for the iPhone right now. You can download
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: for free and they have some free content. And it's
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: very comfortable to read comics through the app. It's not
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: like reading them on a laptop or sitting at a computer.
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: You can read them in bed or on the bus
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: or whatever.
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: You kind of flip the whole thing sideways, don't you? Yeah.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: It fits the page.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: And it doesn't just fit the pages. It fits the
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: panels to the screen so that you're not having to
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: zoom in on things. You just tap and it naturally
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: will flow with where the story, where the artist intended
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: your eye to be anyway. They put a lot of
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: care into it. And that, you know, I think that's
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: definitely going to kind of change the game for people
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: with comics, you know, being, I think, more willing to
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: buy a digital comic versus the paper one. Because it's
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: much cheaper. You know, you can get an issue of
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: just about any comic for $ 1 or $ 1. 99 versus paying
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: $ 5 or $ 6 for one in a comic shop.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they have gone up exponentially in the last several years.
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: When I started collecting comics, they were $ 0. 75.
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah i mean i've got old ones that were like
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: 35 yeah you know i can't remember if i bought
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: them new i might have actually so it's kind of
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: scary to look at the prices now it is but
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: yep that is pretty much it for my week so
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: does that round out your geek week.
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah that my geek week was pretty um pretty i
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: was i can't say a geek week is over extreme
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: or anything but it was pretty timid i mostly worked.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, that's what we've come to realize. We're all
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: such big geeks that pretty much anything we do makes
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: it a geek week. We just pick the geekiest thing. Alright,
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: so with that, we will take a break and be
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: back with this week's feature.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Most of us will spend Memorial Day weekend with our families,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: watching parades, picnicking, golfing, just doing the things we enjoy.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: To top off a perfect weekend, may we suggest you
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: see our special holiday show. It's an exceptionally entertaining program.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: So try to relax and spend a few enjoyable hours
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: with the family at this theater during the Memorial Day weekend.
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: Venom in her veins and lust in her eyes. A
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: woman of flesh becomes a venomous viper.
• 28:43
  Speaker 10: I've sucked the years out of your body. It was
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: the only way I could be a human and a
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: woman again.
• 28:49
  Speaker 9: Plunging her fangs into warm flesh, she sucks the life
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: from the bodies of men.
• 28:54
  Speaker 11: As long as I'm alive, you'll feed off my venom
• 28:58
  Speaker 11: and stay young.
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: But I don't want to change.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 29:03
  Speaker 12: If you want to escape from me, Only.
• 29:11
  Speaker 9: A human lover could restore her human skin.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: You made love to another man?
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: I had to.
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: To stay human. Only the cobra could satisfy her unearthly desires.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Fanging a snake is like castrating a man.
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: The most terrifying picture you will ever see. Night of
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: the Cobra Woman. From New World Pictures. In color, rated R.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: One minute left to top off the evening with a
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: treat from our snack bar. Still time if you hurry.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Last call for refreshments, folks.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Go right this second to get something good to eat
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: and drink to enjoy now or during the rest of
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 29:52
  Speaker 13: Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is project permanent.
• 29:58
  Speaker 14: And at those mere points of time where the confines
• 30:02
  Speaker 14: of the waking world blend with the world of dreams.
• 30:08
  Speaker 14: And so I captured this fancy where all that we
• 30:13
  Speaker 14: see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
• 30:33
  Speaker 15: From childhood's eye, I have not been as others were.
• 30:38
  Speaker 15: I have not seen as others saw.
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: I had walled the monster.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Up within half a tomb.
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: It was many and many a year ago, in a
• 31:00
  Speaker 12: kingdom by the sea, that a maiden there lived whom
• 31:04
  Speaker 12: you may know by the name Annabel Lee. And this maiden,
• 31:10
  Speaker 12: she lived with no other thought than to love and be.
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: Loved by.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Me.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: That motley drama, I'll be sure it shall not be forgot,
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: with its phantom chased forevermore by a crowd that sees
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: it not. through a circle that ever returneth in to
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: the self-same spot much of madness more of sin and
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: horror the soul of the plot.
• 31:57
  Speaker 16: Once Upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered weak and weary,
• 32:03
  Speaker 16: over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore.
• 32:07
  Speaker 16: While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
• 32:12
  Speaker 16: as of someone gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
• 32:17
  Speaker 16: To some visitor I muttered, tapping at my chamber door.
• 32:22
  Speaker 16: Only this, nothing more.
• 32:24
  Speaker 17: On the raven!
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: Leave my loneliness unbroken.
• 32:39
  Speaker 16: Put the bust above my door, take thy feet from
• 32:41
  Speaker 16: out my heart, and take thy.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: Form from off my door, quoth the raven.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: No more.
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: And the raven, ever free, still.
• 32:53
  Speaker 16: Is sitting, still is sitting on the pallet bust of
• 32:56
  Speaker 16: the palace just above my chamber door.
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: His eyes have all the.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Seeming, the demons.
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: That he's dreaming.
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: The lamplight toward him streaming floats.
• 33:07
  Speaker 16: His shadow on the floor. And my soul, from out
• 33:11
  Speaker 16: that shadow that lies floating on the floor, shall be lifted.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Nevermore.
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: That's right, it is time to kick off our new project.
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: One that I think I have entitled Project Poe.
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: I had a friend who grew up in a Poe project.
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: Well, I was deciding that, or we could just call
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: ourselves Poe Folks.
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: Poe Folks?
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: That sort of cheapens the whole process.
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: I like the Poe Project.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: So, yes, Project Poe. So, just trying to break down
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: what it will be. It's just sort of a series
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: that we're going to look at the influence of Edgar
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: Allan Poe on cinema. And the more I thought about it,
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: pop culture in general, he's been such an influential person
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: just in the last couple hundred years that he's sort
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: of worked its way into damn near everything, really, the
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: more I thought about it. So just kind of, you know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: we'll look at movies each time out, but I've realized
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: how much, you know, there are other things that sort
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: of tie in, so we can go into that as
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: we go along as well.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: So this week's Poe feature is The Pitch and the Pendulum.
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  Speaker 6: The year is 1991. This would be the Stuart Gordon version.
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: The plot synopsis, I'll give it like the last, or
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: the first half of the IMDb version, which is, it
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: is the time of the Spanish Inquisition. Maria does not
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: like what is going on during the Auditor Fae. When
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: she speaks out, she is arrested and accused of being
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: a witch. And we'll just leave it at that.
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: See, that should teach her, you don't speak out during
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: the Inquisition.
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: Or Lance Hendrickson will punish you. With his hair.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: This movie.
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: If this movie were any cornier, it would have been
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: a field in Iowa.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: Actually, the first time I saw this movie, I loved it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: I watched it over and over again. This and the
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: Waxworks movies.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: Those three films, I watched them over and over again.
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: And so did my friend Carl and I when we
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: were in. I was 13. So this would have been. Actually,
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: you know what? I think I'd seen it before then.
• 35:24
  Speaker 18: Anyways.
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: By the time I was 13, this movie came out.
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: And I thought it was one of the best, like,
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: sword and sorcery adventure movies. And then I rewatched it
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: this morning.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Yo, really?
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: And I'm like, this is some corny stuff. Like, here's scenery,
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: and here's every actor in the movie. I mean, like,
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: everybody in the movie, except for the Inquisitor's, like, right-hand man,
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: the one who had also been tortured.
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: Mendoza?
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: Mendoza.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: I really... Before we get too far into it, I
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: will throw a... Usually, if we even just start talking
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: about a movie, we'll throw out a general spoiler alert.
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: To me, I never understood talking about a movie if
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: you're not going to fully talk about a movie. I
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: just like to put it up there in front. Hey,
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: we're discussing Bit in the Bindle. We're going to go
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: into everything that goes on in it and I'm sure
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: ruin anything that, you know, had you not seen it.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: So if you want to watch it and not have
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: everything ruined for you, you know, stop now and go
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: watch the movie because... I think we both still had
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: a lot of fun with it, so I'd say it's
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: worth watching.
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: Absolutely worth it.
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so. Okay, so now we can just attack it
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: as we want. But yeah, that's actually one of the
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: high points for me was Mendoza. That guy was really good.
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, the thing is, these are good actors in
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: this movie. overacting like it's not that they're bad actors
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: it's just that everyone in the movie has been and
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: you know i'm sure this was done for for comic
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: effect at least i hope it was because stewart gordon
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: has this habit of directing people to with an inch
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: of their lives i think oh yeah you know like
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: when his movies everything has to be delivered and almost
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: like it he's like if case the sound doesn't record
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: i want people to know what you mean you know
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: in case this turns out to be a.
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: Silent movie yeah that's what i was thinking it's like
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: a silent movie acting it's like a stage play i
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: want you delivering to the back of the house right and.
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: Uh the best you know one scene that stands out
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: in my mind in this film is uh our heroic
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: character um what what is his name chris christopher christabel whatever.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: Oh, which the husband?
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: The baker, yeah.
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the baker. What is his name?
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: I guess it's neither here nor there. But he has
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: snuck into the Inquisition's fortress to rescue his falsely accused
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: wife from the evil Inquisitor played by Lance Hendrickson. And
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: he has him at knife point and sword point, surrounded
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: by guards and And he's backing out of this chamber.
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: And the entire time that Lance Henriksen is talking, he's emoting.
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: His hands are all over the place. He's almost like
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: a mime. And it never registered with me when I
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: was a kid and I saw this movie, how ridiculous
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: some of this was. But his body language throughout this
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: whole movie is so extreme. He really toned it down.
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: If you see Lance Henriksen in any other movie... In
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: anything he's done, he is much more toned down. This
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: is the most flamboyant role I think he's ever played.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Fear God.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Fear his wrath. There is one faith, one worship, one church,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: and all else is sin.
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: And sin will be punished.
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: But at the same time, I was watching it thinking,
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: this is kind of like the ultimate role for him.
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: Because he's usually thrown into these roles, and it's like
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: he kind of wants to do that. He wants to
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: just be over the top and sort of take over
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: the movie, and he never gets a chance to. Because
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: half the time, he's either a side character, or it's
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: such a low-budget movie that he really has nothing to
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: do in it. There's very little... for him to do.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: I just watched the other little crossover show. I watched
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: him in Sasquatch. It's such a terrain wreck of a movie.
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: that it's like he wants to be the star of it,
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: but there's nothing to star in. This role in this
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: movie is such an ordeal that he really has something
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: to chew on in this one.
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: He does. He's an incredibly conflicted character in this movie.
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: The key to this character is that he believes he
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: is doing God's work, but he also believes that he
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: himself is scum and that he's aroused by the character
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: who they're, the wife of the baker. Maria. Maria, thank you.
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: He's aroused by her and he's attracted to her and
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: he thinks that this is her bewitching his manhood. So
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: big parts of his character are him hating himself but
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: blaming it on everyone around him. And it's just a
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: fucked up character, man. I mean, he is seriously twisted.
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: But I see a lot of that almost sort of
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: a reality. If there's any little reality in this movie,
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: especially in the weird church scenario. I mean, there is
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: a lot of that sort of sexual frustration in these characters. Oh, absolutely.
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: Even if they're not part of the church. Just these
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: people that are very pious.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: When they get into these situations and then they realize
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: they're equally as animalistic as, you know, everyone else they
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: look down on, then they have to judge themselves by
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: that same measure. And then they feel like they need
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: to be punished or even worse is then they take
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: it out on the other people. So then you get
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: somebody like, you know, Takamata who basically like, because she
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: made him feel this, this like this lust for her,
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: that he then has to punish her for it basically
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: because she made him feel like you know, as common
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: and lowly as the rest of this scum that he
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: just beats the hell out of.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: And it was all, this is all a product of
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: them having to strip her of her clothes to look
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: for marks of the devil.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: Like, it's not.
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: Like she did nothing to arouse this in him.
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: Other than be nude in front of him. And, you know,
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: it also, the supporting cast are no less ridiculous in
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: their performances.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: No.
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: Tom Toles is in this, and he is the chief guard,
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: and he is hamming it up. He's a sleazy dirtbag
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: in this.
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: It's like an all-star B-movie cast.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: It really is.
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: When you get to him, and Jeffrey Combs, for God's sakes.
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: Jeffrey Combs in the best costume of his career.
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: See, that's the thing. Sometimes Jeffrey Combs is just really
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: over the top and really just doesn't work. As much
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: as everybody kind of likes him, he's sort of beloved
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: in the genre movies. But in this movie, I think...
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, you give him this bad beetle wig and
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: these giant glasses that make Harry Potter look cool. And
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: he's almost unrecognizable at first. I knew he was in
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: the movie, but I hadn't seen it in years. And
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: this guy starts talking. I'm like, who the hell is...
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: Holy shit, that's Jeffrey Cullen!
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: And the funny thing about his performance in this is...
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: Due to everyone else's overacting, his performance, Jeffrey Combs, who
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: is notoriously an overactor himself, looks sedate and measured.
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: It's understated.
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, everything is understated that he's doing compared to everything
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: around him. And it provides a lot of comic relief
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: because he is the ultimate bureaucrat in this movie. He
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: plays by the rules. Torquemada happens to make the rules.
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: It's not that he takes, he's the only character that's
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: part of the inner circle of the Inquisition who does
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: not take joy in what they're doing. It's just his job.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: You idiots.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: Why did you tear out her tongue?
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: We didn't. We don't do tongues. Of course not.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: How can they confess if they don't have tongues?
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: He must have done it. Wonderful. What are you talking about?
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: She's dead, and we didn't do it, huh?
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: The next prisoner who dies, the one responsible, will be
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: an enemy of the church and torture.
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah! He killed them too! And who's going to tell him? Gomez.
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: Oh, no.
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: Get rid of the corpse. I'll tell him.
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: And he's almost the only one who's not really completely
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: afraid of Tokamata. Everyone else just cowers at anything he
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: says or does, and he's still so busy kind of
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: working the books. He's still making sure everything is done
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: by the letter of how they run things around.
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: He's a bitchy secretary. He is. He's actually like Mr.
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: Flanders from The Simpsons to Torquemada's Mr.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Burns.
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: Oh, but once again, I'm always a big fan of Mr. Burns,
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: so no wonder I like Lance in this movie.
• 44:47
  Speaker 9: That's right.
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: You could easily do a Simpsons treehouse of horror episode
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: where you just put Montgomery Burns as the Inquisitor and
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: Flanders as the secretary.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: That would be awesome, except there'd be like six people
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: that would think it was funny because nobody.
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: Knows this movie. It's true. This movie's not well... It's
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: not like a well-known movie. Although, you know, it is surprising.
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: It is kind of, in some circles, considered like a
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: cult classic. It's one of the better Full Moon movies,
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: I think.
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: That's what I was going to say. To me, I
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: watched a lot of Full Moon movies growing up. And
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: they were.
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: Little better than some of the other straight to video
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: crap not all of them some of them were really
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: bad but even of all the better stuff that they
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: put out this is possibly the best looking production they
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: ever did yeah.
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: It looks good yeah the set pieces are really well
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: done i mean it looks like it has a lot
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: in common with uh the look of the film takes
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: a lot i think from the princess bride And I
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: think maybe Stuart Gordon had intended this to be kind
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: of that type of film where it was kind of
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: a comical film to a certain extent, but at the
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: same time left a lot of horrific elements in it.
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: But especially when it comes to Esmeralda, who is the
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: cellmate to Maria, she's a staple of actually of all films.
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: This actress is currently on The Middle, which is a
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: TV series I think on Fox. And she'll be 100
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: in a couple of years. She's like 90.
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God. I knew she looked as old then,
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: and this was in 91. Right, yeah.
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: She was in In the Mouth of Madness. She played
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: the innkeeper. And she's been in a number of other movies.
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: She's been in tons of... Actually, she's a witch sitting
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: in a dungeon, basically. And I still kept asking for
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: her to talk about a marble rye.
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, she's this very Jewish character, which is really funny.
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: She's very New York Jew, which is... I feel like
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: it's reminiscent of the Billy Crystal and Carol Kane characters
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: from Princess Bride. That's kind of what I was... Thinking
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: about it, I was like, I wonder if this was
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: his answer to that. Like, if he had been influenced
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: in any way by that film.
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: Probably.
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: She's great comic relief.
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: Definitely. And, you know, as always, it's funny when an
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: old lady starts cussing.
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: Of course.
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: She's just cursing up a storm throughout the whole thing.
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: Even more so than that, there's this great kind of
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: almost Mel Brooks-ian moment when they're taking her. Okay, at
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: this point in the story, Torquemada has become so overcome
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: by that he has basically raped Maria, and then he
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: cut her tongue out so that she can't blab. She
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: dies in her cell, quote-unquote dies in her cell, because
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: Esmeralda has cast a spell on her to make it
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: look like she's dead, so they'll take her out of
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: the castle and she can escape.
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: Which, again, is very Princess Bride-like.
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: Very Princess Bride.
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: Well, at this point, they use Esmeralda as a scapegoat,
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: and they're carting her off to have her burned at
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: the stake and And she's just shoveling big handfuls of
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: gunpowder into her mouth.
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: That part is hilarious.
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: That's my favorite scene in the movie. This whole sequence is.
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: So that she can explode when they burn her. But
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: there's a line delivered that's great. This is what I
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: was talking about. The kind of Mel's Brook style dialogue
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: exchange between her and Jeffrey Combs. Where Jeffrey Combs' character says,
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry we couldn't get you to confess. We just
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: didn't have time to torture you enough. And she says
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: thanks anyway.
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: That was awesome.
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: It was like History of the World Part 1 or something.
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, since we're on that, I mean, I
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: couldn't help doing the lines. I mean, in the middle
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: of it, as soon as they brought up the Art
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: of the Fae, I'm like, what's the Art of the Fae?
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: It's what you ought to not do, but you do anyway.
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: That's right. Inquisition. What a show.
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: It was so, yeah, so close. Well, every time they
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: would talk to Lance Hendrickson's character, I was still yelling out,
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: you can't talk about anything!
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: I love that. The movie is... That's one of the
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: issues that I didn't see until... I didn't recognize this
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: as a problem until I was an adult and I'd
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: seen a lot of other movies. It doesn't know if
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: it wants to be a fantasy adventure movie, a comedy,
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: a horror movie. And it teeters around... And it's not
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: that it, it doesn't manage really necessary to blow. those
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: styles together, but it kind of just cobbles all those
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: styles together.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: But still makes for a very fun movie to watch,
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: especially with friends.
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: So I was going to say in a way, in
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: a way that's very entertaining, it sort of pieces them
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: all together. So it, But yeah, I mean, they probably,
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: I mean, I guess at the time we watched it.
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: But I'm sure they had trouble sort of presenting it
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: to people because I think they build it very much
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: as a horror movie. It's marketed, you know, it's got
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: a great cover on the old VHS. I mean, it
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: was very much a horror movie in that way. But
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: then you get into it and it's funny because it
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: kind of is set up like a period piece. And
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: it could have very well been, you know, had it
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: been given to a different director, you know, given to
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: a different studio. It could have been a very stuffy
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: period piece kind of movie. It really could have gotten
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: into the procedures and the process that goes on in
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: the Inquisition. And it kind of does a little bit,
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: but it's so cheesy the way this one does. So
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: as it unfolds, given to these people, it doesn't feel
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: like that kind of movie at all. It feels... sort
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: of cheesy. It ends up feeling like you took a
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: stuffy little period piece and then ran it through a
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: grindhouse projector. Because in the end, it gets all those,
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: you know, it gets gore and it gets all these
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: horror elements and it gets the cheesy dialogue that sort
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: of makes it fun on all those levels.
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: It's almost kind of like you took a period piece
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: and you gave it to a bunch of vaudevillian actors.
• 50:44
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely. But again, it could play that way. I mean,
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: I could see people just flip into it for a
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: minute and And getting to one of the parts that's
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: not so ridiculous and being like, the hell is this?
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: And then just keep on going because there's times when
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: it plays pretty straight. And I think that's the other
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: thing that's really different about this movie is for all
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: the ridiculous things that kind of go on in it,
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: for all the comedic moments that they sort of throw in.
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: takes itself very seriously like you know as much as
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: they're overacting there's not really any winks to the camera
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: short of the the little joke there that don't worry
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: about it you know the torturing you.
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: There was one more but there was the one where
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: the guy makes eye contact with the camera and uh
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: you know what i'm talking about with the guy who
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: whose job it is to cart the dead out of
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: the building that.
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: Guy well i mean that guy's he's sort of winking
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: at the camera the whole time to the point that
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: it's over the top like he doesn't even need to
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: be i think that's just that because i've seen him
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: in a lot of stuff too and i think that's
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: just his style is very hey look at me look
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: what i'm doing you know.
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: It's but it's kind of it's a great it's another
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: moment of comic relief and another kind of thing where
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: when he's trying to bribe him to get into the
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: castle He's.
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: Like, get inside.
• 51:57
  Speaker 7: That's a new one. And then he's like, I don't know.
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: I could lose my job.
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: You know, like, what?
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: You lose your job. You're part of the Spanish Inquisition.
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: And it's like those scenes are so just ridiculous. And
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: that's where the tone just shifts dramatically between scenes like
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: that and scenes where Torquemada is being flogged.
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: That's a heavy scene.
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: Right, and that scene is taken extremely seriously. There's no
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: comedic value to it whatsoever, and it almost feels like
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: they're from two different movies.
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely. It's a weird mixture of stuff that's kind
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: of thrown into this movie. It's strange.
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: It's a salad, a movie salad. It is definitely worth
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: checking out, I think. I think everybody should see it.
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's just so much... kind of going on but
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: again it's like they there's so much going on at
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: once that they don't really focus on hardly any one
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: thing there's just these weird and we went into them
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: with the with the Takamata at the beginning but there's
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: just in general there's these very specific sexual overtones and
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: especially that opening scene which first of all let's talk
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: about how silly that opening.
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: Scene is where they go to flog the dead man.
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: They flog a skeleton yeah They give him 20 lashes
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: to the point of completely beating them, shattering them, and
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: he's just a pile on the floor when they're done.
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: But again, they do it completely seriously. They're just like...
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: And everyone's aghast that, oh my god, they were beating
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: a living human at that point. They're just, oh! But
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: then there is.
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: I do think that... they knew that scene was funny
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: when they filmed it for a couple of reasons. I mean, one,
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: the body begins to swing around the crowd, and they're
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: all ducking so it doesn't hit them, and going, whoa!
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: And then the one guy's just laughing his ass off. This, again,
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: is the guy who carts the dead away.
• 53:55
  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: And it's just so silly.
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: That's the part. Again, I had not watched this probably since,
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: you know, one of the first couple of times I
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: watched it on video years ago. So that I came
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: into it again and was like, oh, shit, I forgot
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: all about the level of this movie, the way that
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: it operates. And yeah, that scene is sort of completely
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: over the top. But but yeah, it is funny that
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: then in the middle of that, they keep cutting to
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: these people. And half of them are shocked and appalled
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: by the beading. But then there's these other half of
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: them that they go to that they're kind of turned
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: on by it.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: The fops and the dandies.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah. The ones that are all wearing... It's guys wearing
• 54:35
  Speaker 6: tons of white makeup and lipstick. What is up with that?
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: They almost all have unibrows, too. Did you notice that?
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: Well, that's the style. Yeah.
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: The unibrow with the powdered white cake makeup.
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: It was just like... They were just like the most
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: bizarre little thing to throw in there just so you
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: know how salacious some of these people can be. And,
• 54:59
  Speaker 7: you know, something else like we were talking about the
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: serious bent that's here is there's a pastiche going on
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: here of at least three stories that I know from
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: Edgar Allan Poe. And that's, you know, obviously The Pit
• 55:12
  Speaker 7: and the Pendulum. uh, the cask of Amontillado and the
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: live burial, they're all kind of referenced a little bit
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: in the film.
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: It's, it's funny. I had all of that written down.
• 55:22
  Speaker 6: I was like, as it went along, I was like, okay,
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: now he's walling up the Cardinal, like in the cask.
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: And then she wakes up in the coffin, like premature burial.
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: So it's, yeah, it's, it's kind of funny that they,
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: they sort of roll. And again, why I sort of
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: wanted to go into all these different poem movies, because
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: he hits on so many specific kind of frightening things
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: these like inborn things and people that you know this
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: this being you know walled up alive being buried alive
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: there's sort of these things that are just we're innately
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: afraid of and and he sort of taps into them
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: all so they sort of roll several of them up
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: into this one movie.
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: Now was there any did you catch any other references
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: besides those three Because I didn't. I didn't know if
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: there was anything I missed.
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: Those were the ones I specifically noted. So, yeah, there
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: might have been other little ones. But, again, there's so
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: much going on.
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: The Amontillado scene is pretty funny. I mean, if you're
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: a fan of Edgar Allan Poe and you've seen this movie,
• 56:20
  Speaker 7: there are certain scenes that you see coming because you
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: know they want to shoehorn something in there. Well, the Cardinal,
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: played by Oliver Reed, shows up because, according to his character,
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: you should... Was it love your fellow man, not roast them?
• 56:37
  Speaker 7: Not roast them. So he's come from the Pope to
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: deliver this decree that the Inquisition must stop and that
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: Torquemada must come back to Rome to report to the
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: Pope and explain what he's done. And the whole time
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: he's being liquored up by Torquemada with Amontillado. Yeah. You know,
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: so you know, you're like, well, he's getting walled up.
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, here it comes. So, yeah, that was kind of funny.
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: And it is kind of a big deal that they
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: got Oliver Reed. I'm still not sure who, you know,
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: who they, what deal they had or what blackmail material
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: they had on Oliver Reed.
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: You know, Oliver Reed just wanted to do a ridiculous
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: Italian accent. I guess so. He does almost a bippity
• 57:17
  Speaker 7: boppity boopity beepity.
• 57:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he kind of does. This was sort of the
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: end of his career, but at the same time, he
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: was kind of an A-lister back in the day.
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: He was, yeah.
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: It's a big deal for them to have him in
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: this movie. Granted, it's a very small part, but still.
• 57:32
  Speaker 7: If you look at his pedigree, he's had some lapses
• 57:35
  Speaker 7: in judgment over the years where he's appeared in some
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: B-fantasy movies and sci-fi movies, usually playing some sort of
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: villain or another. In this movie, though, he has the most...
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: amazing amount of upper lip sweat i've ever seen on
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: an actor like he's clearly uncomfortable.
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: That's acting right there yeah.
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: He acted really hard but uh yeah he he delivered
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: a good performance i mean certain actors can again but
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: he was also you know really pushing it like as
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: far as chewing up the scenery um just because you
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: know you can't you'll disappear in this movie unless you
• 58:12
  Speaker 7: do that you know you'll you'll fade into the background
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: with the bricks and the walls.
• 58:20
  Speaker 8: No matter how terrible the torture, people get used to it.
• 58:24
  Speaker 8: In time, it loses its terror. I must invent.
• 58:30
  Speaker 11: New and more terrible tortures to strike fear into the
• 58:37
  Speaker 11: heart of sinners. To save their souls.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: No.
• 58:46
  Speaker 9: No i will tell the pope everything you want i
• 58:49
  Speaker 9: will tell him that you acquiesce he.
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: Will never know.
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: Of the one that i guess plays it the most
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: straight and never really kind of goes i was just
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: uh what what were your thoughts on on maria herself.
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: I thought maria did a really good job um considering
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: that actress had only been in one other film besides
• 59:08
  Speaker 7: this uh she just, I don't know, she was very convincing.
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: When she was supposed to be tormented and upset, she
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: seemed tormented. When she was nude, she was clearly nude.
• 59:22
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah she was really really nude they make yeah
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: they make full use of the fact that she was
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: willing to get naked several.
• 59:28
  Speaker 7: Times yeah they do and.
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: I mean she is beautiful so i mean they make
• 59:33
  Speaker 6: use of it rightly so instead of getting really scary
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: people in there so at least they made a good
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: call well yeah.
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: She's nice to look at she's nice to look at
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: but um i think stewart gordon's middle name should be
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: bush stewart bush gordon.
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: He does like that doesn't.
• 59:49
  Speaker 7: He yeah i haven't seen a movie of his yet
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: where somebody doesn't a female character doesn't get uh completely
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: and totally full frontal nudity on us you know what
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: i mean i can't think of one personally oh man
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: but uh i haven't seen stuck yet i don't know
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: i don't know i'm just assuming some naked woman walks
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 7: across the screen for no reason probably but i mean
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 7: it is integral to the story that the character's nude.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: So I'm not going to say that it was necessarily gratuitous, but, um,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 7: you know, because without her being nude and being examined one, it's,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: it's incredibly degrading to the character and the character is
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: supposed to be degraded as part of this torture. And, um,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: and two, it's the thing that sends Torquemada over the edge.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: So I can see why, you know, that has to
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 7: be in there, but I have no, there's Gordon has
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: a proclivity for prestigious men who are closet perverts like
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 7: i mean like think of the doctor in um reanimator
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 7: who was obsessed with the professor's daughter and the situation
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: you know there uh it's real reminiscent of that i
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 7: think that that's a recurring theme in his work and
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 7: um and i don't know where that's coming from you
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 7: know i don't know a whole lot about stuart gordon
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 7: but i'd be interested to know what the source all
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 7: that is why he feels compelled to put that in
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 7: his movies Well.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: It definitely takes that road with her character every step
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: of the way, really. It's like, even in the beginning,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: and they sort of use it to their advantage, it's like,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: once again, we're presented with, you know, the credits, and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: we're looking at everything as though it's this, like, you know,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: old period piece, and then the first time we meet
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: our lead character, this guy grabs her boobs.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 7: That's true, she is being objectified from the get-go.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, right off the bat. So it's like, so right
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: off you know from there you're already like okay we're
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: moving into this salacious area and he's gonna throw this
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: at you and everything's gonna be sort of you know
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: used just for the exploitation kind of you know from
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: that angle but it's funny that within that scene it
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: almost changes and it's like it's not really as shocking
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: as you know you assume it's just some latch and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: he comes in and he's gonna you know grab on
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: her and then we find out it's her husband and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: She's equally as into it as he is, if.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: Not more so. Yeah, and it's an interesting way for
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 7: them to kind of set up their situation, that they're
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: very passionate and they're newlyweds, you can tell. But they're
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: also poor because he's very concerned about the bread burning.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 7: You know what I mean? Those are things that you
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 7: can tell there's some skill that, despite how ridiculous most
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 7: of this movie is, some skill went into it in
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: the storytelling. There is a good story here. It's a
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: classic type of story. um that is told properly i
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 7: mean like it's not like they veers too far off
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 7: of the damsel in distress storyline they don't force it
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: to be something it isn't um you know so it
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: hits on all those notes like the villain is a
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: is really a despicable villain you feel for the heroic
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 7: character even even now you know watching it what is
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: the movie's 19 years old now that's hard to believe
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 7: but um But watching the movie now, you still kind
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 7: of pull for your heroic character. You laugh at your
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: comic relief characters. Things work in this movie. It's not
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 7: one of those situations where it's so bad that it's good.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 7: It's a silly movie that happens. It's funny, but I
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 7: do think that it's funny where it was meant to
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: be funny. And there are things about it that do
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: play as very silly just because of the age of
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 7: the movie, I guess, and what they were working with.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 6: I think it's just the way that they put it together, really.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 6: I think, yeah, they were... Well, it sort of becomes
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: their running theme in this, is the fact that it
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 6: changes gears so much. It presents it like the scene
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 6: with them in the beginning. It presents it as one thing,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 6: and then it quickly becomes something else. And the whole
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 6: movie seems like that. It's like you get into all
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 6: these situations, and you think this character's doing this, or
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 6: they're like this, and it sort of does this 180
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: as it goes along, and you find out... more about
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: them or it enters into some other ridiculous scenario but
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: it seems like it does a lot of that where
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: it presents it as you know much like you know
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 6: it presents it as a period piece and then all
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: of a sudden it becomes this like exploitation movie you
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: know and it just goes back and forth from one
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 6: to the other on all these different notes.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah and i think it in a lot of respects
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: this was kind of like um in addition to being
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: obviously a love letter to edgar allen poe i think
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: this was kind of a love letter to some of
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: the later hammer films That were put out, you know,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: like where, you know what I mean? Like it's kind
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: of in that style with the way the nudity is
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: handled and the characters, the costuming, the set pieces and
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: all this stuff. It's very much like kind of a
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: child of the 80s interpreting Late Hammer. You know what
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: I mean? It's just kind of trashy. But at the
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 7: same time, it has that period piece look.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because The Lighter Hammer did that. It was like
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 6: they started off as being sort of stuffy British movies,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: and then as they went on, they became more exploitation
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: kind of movies. So it does fall into that category.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's something that I think, I mean, I wouldn't
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 7: say it's a classic, but I would say that it's
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: definitely a cult film that if you haven't seen it,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: I would say it's a must-see for anybody who is a,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: definitely anybody who is a Stuart Gordon fan. If you
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: haven't already seen it, I think it's one of his
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: better movies.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's kind of hit and miss what I've seen
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: of his. I need to go back and watch some
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 6: more of his. But yeah, I think it's, again, pretty
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: well done. I mean, there's some basic shots that were
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: kind of impressive coming from, you know, in this movie.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: There's a few shots here and there. There's like that
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: cool shot of Lance kind of walking down that little
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: corridor to go to the window. that you just kind of,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: it's barely lit, and you just kind of get that
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: shot of his face. And there's a few times where
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 6: he throws in some really creative shots that, you know, again,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: you wouldn't expect in this level of filmmaking.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: You know, it's funny you should say it. There was
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 7: a moment this morning, I was watching this early this morning,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 7: and Amy was, my wife Amy was getting ready for work,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 7: and she came into the living room where I was
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 7: watching and said, this is lit weird. I'm like, what
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 7: do you mean? She goes, it's lit too brightly, this
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 7: whole movie, everything, it looks like a set. I'm like, well,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: it is a set is what I was thinking. Clearly,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: I don't think they filmed in a real castle or anything.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 6: Some of it, maybe. They actually did film in Italy.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: So I think all those exterior stuff was actually done there.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: I don't know. The inside did kind of look like
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: a set. So maybe the rest of it was all soundstage.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no telling. But I mean, she was right to
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: a certain extent. Because if somebody made a movie like
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: this now that took place in a tortured dungeon, most
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: of what you see would be obscured in shadow.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 6: They would all be dark and be shot through a
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 6: crazy filter. And yeah, you wouldn't be able to tell
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: what was going on more than likely. So I'll, I'll
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: give her that. It is pretty, with the exception of
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: the one or two shots there, it is pretty bright
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 6: and shiny.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: For the most part, it is bright. I mean, like,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 7: and it's one of those things where like they're putting
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: people in the iron maiden, you're going to see them.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 7: There's a closeup of somebody being closed up in the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: iron maiden, you know, when they're, if nothing is left
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: to the background, um, For the most part. There's a
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: couple of choreographed scenes that are interesting when the witch,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: the first witch is being flogged. Or I'm sorry, no,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: she's being burned. And her son is being flogged in
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: the foreground and she's in the background.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: Like that was a really, that shot impressed me. You
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: know what I mean? I was like, that's really an
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: interesting way to put that shot together. You know, so
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: it just like, there were strokes of, of class and
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 7: style throughout. But yeah, there was just also parts where
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 7: it just felt like they put up a dungeon set
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: and said, torture people.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. It's so back and forth. It's like,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: there's moments. There's another one. That's like a really good
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 6: shot of when, uh, Tokamata walks up to Maria and
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 6: he's standing there and it's sort of this overhead shot
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: almost of him. Like she's in the melt down below
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 6: him and he's looking down on her. And it does
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: really work with that perspective and, and, you know, you know,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: how the character looks at her and what she, you know,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: it really is kind of a cool artistic shot thrown
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: in the middle of the rest of this exploitation.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 7: You know, it's, there's some fun things that also they
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 7: do when, uh, the heroic Baker is, he's tied down
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 7: and waiting on the pendulum to cut him in half.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: And these rats have all come out of the woodwork. Uh,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: I assume at the behest of a spell from his,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 7: his wife, who's laying in a coffin, uh, they've come
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 7: to chew his ropes, uh, Yeah, free him. Well, there's
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: like this point where he is, they do manage to
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 7: create some tension where he is like hanging over this,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 7: the pit opens underneath him.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: That's the part I was thinking of.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 7: You know, like, and there's a point where he's hoisting
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 7: himself out, up and out of it. And it's, they
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 7: do the trick where the thing is closed and possibly
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 7: so tight that there's no way he would make it out.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 7: And then they cut back and it's open a little
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 7: more and then it's closed a little more.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: Like, you know what I mean?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 7: To create that tension, to force, you know, force you
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: to believe that, He's not going to make it. you
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: know like but they did that and it kind of
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 7: it still kind of plays like i cringed a little
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: still knowing.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 6: That was the part that was actually kind of tense
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: like the pendulum itself is cool but it's like it's
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: such a slow paced part of that scene that you
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 6: just you kind of see it coming and it goes
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: on with the stuff with the rats but when he
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: falls into the pit and he's sort of hanging there
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 6: And then you realize what opened up the door there
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 6: is also like big blades.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: And the blades are cutting the rope as it starts
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: to close.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 7: And the dogs with bees in their mouths.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 6: It's like there's so many things. And then fire shoots
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: up from the set that I don't know what the
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 6: hell that is.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that part was just like that's when it went
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 7: over the top. I was actually going to say like
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 7: when they flip the lever that turns the flames on,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 7: it'll come out of the floor. That was really funny.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 6: For no reason other than it looks cool. It's like,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 6: what purpose would that serve in that situation? He's tied down.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: What the hell is that?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. It's like, you have the pit. You have
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: the pendulum. You don't need the flames. The flames are superfluous.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 7: Your contractor screwed you, Torquemada. He put in flames you
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 7: didn't need.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 6: Well, he sold them on the whole package. He's like,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: you know what, Mr. Torquemada? What we can do is
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: put some flamethrowers in here.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 7: He's like, Pit and pendulum sounds nice, but pit, pendulum,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 7: and flames sounds better.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 6: Chicks dig the flames, let me tell you.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: That's right.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 6: You're trying to pick up the girls, let me tell you.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 7: You like motorcycle chicks? They're going to want them flames.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: They love the flames. So, yeah, as silly as that
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 6: part is, like, yeah, the moment right before that when
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: he's in the pit, you know, hanging there is actually
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 6: kind of a tense moment.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think they nailed the tension in that one.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 7: That's pretty much, as far as I go, that's about
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 7: all I have to say about Pit and the Pendulum.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: I don't know about you, Brian. Do you have any
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: closing thoughts on that?
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: I guess just, I mean, we're probably not going to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: go too detailed into the stories themselves because, again, you know,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: we're dealing more with the movie end of it. And
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: I've always, you know, some people like to bitch about
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 6: whether a movie's better than a book. And to me,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: they're very different things.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 7: Especially in this case.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's what I was going to say. It's
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: like we can at least know, you know, and that's
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: what I think we're going to find in, you know,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 6: doing more of these movies is very few of them
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: stick close to the stories themselves. I think Poe had
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 6: such cool ideas, but it's like nobody wanted to do the,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 6: you know, the straight script. Everybody took the cool idea
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: of what was in his story. And then just kind
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: of play with it and do whatever the hell they want.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: And this definitely falls into that. I mean, what little
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: I remember of the story or what I've checked into it,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 6: a lot of the story itself in what he wrote
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: is just this character being, you know, in the pit.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: That is all it is. It's all the tension of
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 6: him laying there tied up, watching the pendulum. And it's
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 6: all kind of like internal monologue, I think.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 6: You don't get all of this, you know, this backstory
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 6: on the Inquisition. I mean, that is where it's set.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 6: That is why he ends up there. But we don't
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 6: have all this crazy, you know, first 79% of the story,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: you know, that all we, you know, it actually takes
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: most of the movie before we get to what is
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: the story that Poe wrote. So just to kind of,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: you know, note as we go along what, you know,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 6: how far it strays from the original storyline. This one
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 6: strays pretty far from it as most of these movies
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 6: probably will.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's for sure. I can't think of a single
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 7: Edgar Allen Poe-inspired movie that follows the story closely at all.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: The only ones that come close are The Black Cat,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: because it's got such a basic story.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 7: Are you talking about the Masters of Horror episode?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 6: Just any of them i mean most of the ones
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: and a lot of things kind of rip off the
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 6: black cat anyway even if it's not a straight black
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: cat treatment there's a lot of stories that have sort
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: of stolen that gimmick at the end of it he.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 7: Borrowed it from himself i mean i mean you look
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 7: at the raven the raven and the black cat are
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 7: almost the same type of tale pretty much but i'm
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: sure we'll probably get to that when we do are
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 7: we gonna do that.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: Multiple versions somewhere down the line because they've done that
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: one but that's the closest one and maybe that's because
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: it's such a a more basic structured story it is
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: something that's easier to follow whereas trying to film the
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 6: pit in the pendulum the way that it's written would
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 6: be very hard to do you know it's it's possible
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: but it's something that's not marketable well.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah it would be a scene it wouldn't be so
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 7: much a film but maybe a short.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: A short film I could see them doing, but even
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: then it's going to be, it then becomes more of
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 6: an art house thing. It's going to be all like,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 6: you know, just nothing but monologue in your head. And
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 6: it's going to be like shots of darkness, you know,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 6: most of it, you can't see what's going on. So
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 6: there'll just be like darkness with a swinging pendulum above you.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 6: So it's, yeah, it's, it's not something that's easy to
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: translate into a movie and it's, written form so yeah
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: there's reason that they stray from it a lot of
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: times but yeah this one strays pretty far from the original.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 7: Text yeah definitely otherwise.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 6: I guess the only other thing I wanted to mention
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: is you have to like this movie because you have
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: to like any movie that has a credit at the
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: end that's listed as Rat Wrangler that was one of
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: my favorite things.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 7: Was it the Rat King?
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 6: Oh well maybe did he have like seven heads?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 7: That's a good question I don't know rat wrangler.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: That's something you aspire to be in Hollywood.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 7: I think maybe you were a rat wrangler before you
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: got to Hollywood, if you're a rat wrangler. I think
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: you have to have passion for rat wrangling outside of films.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: Is there a license involved, I guess, to be a
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 6: professional rat wrangler?
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 7: I'm sure there probably is. Could you imagine if you're
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: the guy who licenses rat wranglers, that you have rat
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 7: wrangled so long that you know what What good rat
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: wrangling is and whether you should be licensed or not.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: You stand there with a clipboard and watch them wrangle
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 6: rats and go, oh, that's a good move. All right.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 7: Or that was terrible. You traumatized that rat.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 6: Avoiding your license.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: Avoiding your rat wrangling license.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 6: You have failed, sir.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 7: Back to mouse wrangling.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: Damn it. There's no market for mouse wrangling.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: Nope.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 7: Can't hang with the big boys anymore.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 9: Oh, wow.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 6: So, yeah, on the Wrangler note, I guess we will
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 6: take a break and come back with the rest of
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 6: the show.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Welcome to a night of total terror.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 7: That's Mickey Mouse's penis. They don't look to be afraid.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 7: They look to be shocked.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: Here's vagina.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 6: Did you see Miley Cyrus' globulous breasts?
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 9: Night of the living podcast.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: I found more syrup on my pants.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: There's our adventure in fear.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 14: There was, however, a guy using.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: An experience in shock. More shattering than your strangest nightmare.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: Pain and pleasure.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 7: Night of the Living Podcast. Ass to mouth is fantastic.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 7: Holy shit! That just happened. What's that bad man doing
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 7: to my donkey?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 9: A night of total terror.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: I can't maintain this level of ridiculousness. They made a song.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 6: Night of the Living Podcast.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 7: Of The Living Podcast.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 17: My mom wants to do shit!
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 9: Hello, creeps.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: It's me, the Crypt Keeper.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 9: And you're listening to Movie Meltdown, the greatest movie geek
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 9: show on Earth.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 6: .
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  Speaker 3: .
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  Speaker 2: It's part of your problem, you know. You haven't seen
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: enough movies. All of life's riddles are.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 9: Answered in the movies.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: And now, on with the show.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: The End.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: All right, we are back. And I did want to
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: go into an extra little development here. We're actually kicking
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: off this segment with a contest.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 7: Contest?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 6: Contest. I have procured a few copies of the new
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 6: printing of Roman Durgis' Lenore book. So you see the
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 6: cheesy tie-in there.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: Lenore book, you know.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 7: Lenore.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 6: If you're a geek, you're probably familiar with her, but
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: if not, you know, she's, she's named after the Poe
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 6: poem and she's a 10 year old girl who's undead
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: and lives in a mansion with an assortment of creepy friends.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 7: So it sounds like a lot of fun.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 6: It's pretty cool. Anyway, the artwork is, is very cool. And,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 6: and you know, it sort of coming up on a,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: you know, they're, they're doing a re-release of this and
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 6: this is actually like a hardback remastered, recolored version. So it's,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 6: it's kind of a nice version of it too, but it's,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: It's definitely got a cool gothy feel to it. Most
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: of the kids who are into that sort of thing
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: will probably be well familiar with her and already have
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: a backpack with her picture on it or something.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 7: But they may not have the book.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 6: They may not have the book and definitely not this
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 6: version of it. it i think this is the first
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 6: time they put it out in this this hardback remastered
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 6: format so it's yeah it's actually pretty awesome so uh
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 6: i was trying to think of a good way to
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 6: to throw it out there and um you know trivia
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 6: at this point unless you're sitting there in front of
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 6: the person it's kind of pointless because it's just you
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 6: know Who can go to Google first?
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: It's pointless to throw trivia out there. So I thought
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: maybe just to have people interact with us, it would
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: be kind of cool. Edgar Allan Poe, as we've said,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 6: is very influential. And a lot of people have been
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 6: very interested in his work and probably have taken his
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: work to heart in some way. So I'd kind of
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: like to find out. just stories from people if you
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 6: know there's some sort of way and maybe it's not
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: maybe you don't feel he's changed your life in some
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 6: massive way but maybe just memories of you know of
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 6: edgar allen poe's kind of stuff i know when i
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 6: was a kid uh we had like a paperback version
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 6: of his stories and uh number one i was obsessed
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 6: with the cover the cover was this awesome painted shot
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 6: that was sort of a mixture of the the casket
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 6: of montalado uh it's got him sort of it's the
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 6: version of the brick wall, but it has sort of
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 6: a painting of the guy's face in the brick. And
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: then on top of that is a cat, the black
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 6: cat peeking out over top of the broken wall. It
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: was this awesome artwork that I became sort of obsessed
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: with as a child. And part of the reason I
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 6: think I got so into Poe, you know, his stories
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 6: and the whole sort of thing that he creates, he
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 6: has a very, you know, general mood that he brings
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: to all his stuff. And I think, That's part of
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: what I got so interested in. But at the same time,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: to finish out that story, I also remember, and this
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 6: probably gets my mother in trouble for possibly child abuse,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: I remember her reading the stories to me as a kid.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 6: And I was still pretty young listening to Dr. Tarr
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: and Professor Feather as the insane guy walks around with
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 6: a knife thinking he's like cheese and asking people if
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 6: they want a slice of him. So I remember being
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 6: sort of scarred as a child by this, and it
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 6: may explain to a lot of our listeners why I'm
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: so messed up now.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 7: It all becomes clear now.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: Yes, doesn't it though? So it may just be some
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: simple stuff like that, or maybe you really did have
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: some sort of, you know, maybe you really clicked with
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: his work over the years. So I'd actually like to
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 6: just hear people's thoughts on that, and I think we'll
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: just pick our favorite ones, or if we get a
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 6: whole lot of them, we can draw stuff out or whatever,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: but We'll come out with the best way to find
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 6: the winners and just distribute out the books to the winners.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 7: That sounds like a great prize and a cool contest.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 7: I got to say, you know, for me growing up,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 7: Edgar Allan Poe, I always associated with Halloween because in
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 7: school we were allowed to read, you know, our assignments
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 7: were usually Edgar Allan Poe related around Halloween time. That's
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 7: what the, you know, the school board was okay with
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: us reading that. It wasn't too bad, you know. And
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 7: the teacher's always kind of got a kick out of
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 7: having the kids read The Raven in front of the class,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 7: that sort of thing.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 6: I think it's just that it's old. Yeah, exactly. Once
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 6: it's old, it's safe. They feel like it's safe, yeah.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 6: If you wrote the same thing now, people would probably
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 6: be appalled by it. But, you know, it's old. That
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 6: means it's okay for kids.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: That's right. If you wrote the same stuff now, he
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 7: might be with My Chemical Romance.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: There you go.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 7: But, no, that was something for me. I've always associated
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 7: him with Halloween. the holiday of Halloween. And, and as
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 7: a child, I always had a lot of fun with that.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 7: So I still do, but, um, that's, I think that's
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 7: why I still like him. I mean, I moved in also,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 7: I probably never would have read HP Lovecraft had I not,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 7: you know, had a springboard from, you know, from Poe
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 7: to Lovecraft.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: I mean, he is definitely a gateway drug in the
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 6: literary terms, you know, the literary world. He definitely falls
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: into that where, you know, that's probably the first thing
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 6: you're exposed to in sort of the, the, dark horror
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 6: kind of writing so you know it's it's the one
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 6: that you'll run into in school and then you'll probably
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 6: you know take that on your own if if you
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: get into that thing which you know a lot of
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 6: kids kind of definitely in the last you know 15
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: 20 years the darker gothier children have sort of come
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 6: into their own and.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 7: It's true yeah it's much more of a mainstream phenomenon
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: now than it used to be.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you were a total freak if you were into
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 6: them before that, where now you're just like that kid.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 6: It's just a category in school now. Oh, you're one
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 6: of those kids.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 7: That's right. You're not the kid in the class. You're
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 7: one of the kids in the class now, which is
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 7: a comfort, and you should not feel bad about that.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 6: It's kind of cool because, yeah, I don't think I
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 6: had that group.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 7: No, a lot of us didn't. You know, we pick
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 7: on our show a lot of times. We'll pick on
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 7: the goth kids and everything. But to be quite honest,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 7: had that been a phenomenon when we were in school,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 7: we probably would have all subscribed to it in some
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 7: respect or another.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 6: Probably. Or at least, and that's the thing, I make
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 6: fun of them. And I totally make fun of Hot
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 6: Topic kids all the time. But at the same time,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 6: it's like, I like stuff that's there. You know, I
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 6: like the same stuff that they're into. It's just, they
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: take the... presentation of it a little too far sometimes
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: but i definitely we're old now brian well but even
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 6: but even then i never did it even as a
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 6: kid i was never taking it that far i just
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 6: liked what i liked and went on about my you
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 6: know business and was a weirdo when people found out
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 6: what i liked it but i didn't you know necessarily
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 6: put on the eyeliner and you know that's right do
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 6: the cure hair you know it.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 7: Wasn't safe for us when we were young to put
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 7: on eyeliner yeah you would have gotten your ass that's
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 7: right your physical harm was a surety if you put
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 7: on eyeliner In any school I went to growing up.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 7: But I'm just saying, you know, it turns out that
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: there are a lot of people out there. Horror fandom
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 7: has become part of the mainstream. It's kind of an
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 7: accepted passion now, I think, more so than it used
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 7: to be. There's still people that kind of turn their
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 7: nose up to it. But, like, I think that there's,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 7: this is, you know, I don't know how we, somehow
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 7: we got on this topic. But, like, the whole Edgar
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 7: Allan Poe being the gateway, I guess, was the thing.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 7: And how a lot of us relate Poe with school.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 7: Because it was the first acceptable thing from the genre.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 7: It was sanctioned horror for us.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: And I think it's also, it works on both levels.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 6: It's okayed by the administration, if you will. So they
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 6: let you read it. But at the same time, his
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: stuff is so deep-seated within us. It really does tap
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: into so many things that then got used in every
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 6: other form of literature and then worked its way into
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 6: film and music and everything else that it There is
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 6: something essential about it that's kind of cool and works
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: on that. If you're the kind of person that gets
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 6: into stuff that's dark and creepy, it hits you on
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 6: a level that I don't think many other things will.
• 1:25:29
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• 1:25:30
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• 1:25:34
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• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: On by, on by, on by, on by.
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  Speaker 6: All right um let's see anything else you wanted to
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 6: pass on to people this week freddie um.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 7: Not much uh if if you're not a listener of
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 7: our show notlp.com uh we're going to be doing uh
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 7: an episode on spider baby this coming sunday awesome so
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 7: that's a fun movie and we'll also be talking about
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 7: uh the film carnie which is a new straight to
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 7: video release with blue diamond phillips so.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: We've actually planned a version of Spider-Baby for like a
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: year or so now. And I was trying to work in.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 6: I was doing a thing with Sid Haig trying to
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 6: discuss it. And I think part of that interview got
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 6: lost at this point. It may be. Yeah, it may be.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 6: I've still got some other segment. But I think the
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 6: Spider-Baby part may be just a loss to the ages
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: at this point.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 7: He's great in that film, by the way.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's amazing. So it's really cool. But.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 6: But yeah, just to round out here, I did, as
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 6: I said, you know, Poe sort of crosses into all
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 6: these different genres. I mean, he definitely has worked his
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 6: way into all different forms of literature and tons of movies,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 6: but it's amazing how much music he's worked his way
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 6: into too. So I thought, you know, with each episode
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 6: of this that we do, we'd also, I just rounded
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 6: out with a specific Poe related song as well. And
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 6: there's a lot of bad new metal with, you know,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 6: Poe titles, but it's just a whole lot of screaming.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: So I'm not sure how much of that I'm going
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 6: to work in. Maybe just because I'm also, one more
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 6: reason I'm old and that stuff kind of gets on
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 6: my nerves now. I'm fine with old school cool metal
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 6: but you know a new metal that's just nothing but
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 6: screaming gets on my nerves but that's just me maybe
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: we'll throw some in to appease people if they really
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 6: want it but um i do kind of want i
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 6: mean there's a lot of interesting versions of it out
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 6: there and a I kind of want to find different
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 6: ones and throw them in there and just kind of
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 6: come up with a good conglomeration of Poe-related music. That
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 6: having been said, are you familiar with Nightwish?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 7: Nightwish?
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 6: Nightwish.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 7: Is that like Nightwish I'd Stop Wetting the Bed?
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 6: Are you coming clean on something now?
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 7: No, I stopped years ago.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 6: Oh, okay. But no, Nightwish, it's a band. They're a band,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 6: all right.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: Nightwish.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 6: They're actually, well, they refer to themselves as a metal band. Again,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 6: it's a very loose term these days. They're from Finland,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 6: I believe.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 7: Oh, that explains the name.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: No, no surprise. But yeah, as I was going through,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 6: they've got a song called The Poet and the Pendulum.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 6: And it's actually, it obviously is inspired by and specifically
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 6: relates to Poe. But as I listened to it, I
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 6: also realized it very much fits our choice of movies
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 6: today because it doesn't know what it wants to be.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 6: It changes mood. It changes direction. it changes type of
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 6: music several times within this one song.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 7: Does it change its sheets night wish oh.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 6: I don't know about that i think we all might
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 6: need to after we listen but yeah yeah it's it's
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 6: a very lengthy song i'll tell you now it's in
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 6: true metal you know opus form it goes on for
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 6: a very long time so prepare yourself if you're on
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 6: if you're down with it but um yeah, I just
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 6: thought it would be interesting to throw in. Cause I, I,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 6: what they do is, is, and again, it, it also,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 6: it fits today's movie because they take themselves very seriously.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 6: I wish, I wish. Cause they've got this, they, they've got,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 6: you know, like heavy metal guitars thrown in, but at
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 6: the same time, they've almost got this like gothy pop
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 6: chick doing vocals at some point. And then sometimes it's
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 6: like a doodle switch out and do vocals. So it,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 6: It changes gears very quickly on a dime sometimes. So yeah,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 6: it's an interesting mixture. So I thought it'd be fun
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 6: to throw in in this first session here. And they
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 6: won't all be quite so ridiculous, I'm assuming, as we
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 6: go on.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 7: If it turns out that I really like them and
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 7: my life changes and I start following them around the country,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 7: I'll blame you, Brian.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 6: You'll thank me.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 7: I mean, thank you, yes.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 6: For Nightwish.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: Nightwish!
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 6: So, yes, we'll go out with Nightwish and the Poet
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 6: and the Pendulum. Otherwise, that about does it. We will
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 6: return next week, or at least one of us here.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 6: I'm assuming at some point in the near future we'll
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 6: have Freddy back to do another segment here.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 13: Thank you.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 6: Otherwise, we will return next week. Same geek time, same
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 17: Just say it again.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: Hello, my friend. Take me into the white clouds. Hello,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: my friend.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 18: Without a ride A widowed rider Torn apart by chains
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 18: of hell One last perfect verse Is still the same.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: Old song Oh.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 18: Christ, how I hate.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 18: Home was there and then, those meadows of heaven, adventure
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 18: filled days, one with every smile and face, please no
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 18: more words, thoughts from a severed day, no more praise,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 18: tell me once my heart.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: Goes With turquoise.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 17: Water fall With beauty underneath The evergreen sky Within the
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 17: blue Within the blue Within the blue The journey in
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 17: time sat at home under the same table whose.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 19: God I'm afraid, so afraid. Being raped again and again
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 19: and again.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: I know I'm dying, but loved. You live long enough
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: to hear the sound of gulls. Long enough to find
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: yourself screaming every night. Long enough to see your friends
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: betray you. Years have been strapped onto the salt. Now
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: I only have three minutes left. I just wish the
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: tide would catch me first.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: Give me a Bye.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: Bye.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 18: Upon his altar Remains of the dark Passion play Performed
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 18: by his friends.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 10: Today, in the year of our Lord, 2005, Thomas was
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 10: called from the cares of the world. He stopped crying
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 10: at the end of each beautiful day. The music he
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 10: wrote had too long been without silence.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: He was found naked and dead, with a smile on
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: his face, a pen, and 1,000 pages of erased text.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 17: Be still, my soul.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: You're alone.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 17: Oh, when did you become so cold?
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: The bleed will All you need is to feel my
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: love Search for beauty Find.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 17: Your shore Try to sleep and I'll bleed no more
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 17: You have.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: Such a so so Robert Takamata!
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry, mistress, that you weren't able to properly confess.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 6: There just wasn't enough time to torture you.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 9: Thanks, anyway.
• 1:45:19
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• 1:45:22
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