Latest / The Emerald FlowShow / Emerald FlowShow #105: Sometimes Dreams Shouldn't Come True

Transcript

Emerald FlowShow #105: Sometimes Dreams Shouldn't Come True · The Emerald FlowShow

0:00
[SPEAKER_00]: This podcast is a member of the Voices of Wrestling Podcasting Network.
0:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Visit Voicesof Wrestling.com to hear the rest of our great podcast as well as show reviews, columns, opinions, and updates across the world of wrestling.
1:34
[SPEAKER_04]: you're listening to the Emerald Flow show on the voices of wrestling podcast network.
1:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode 105 of the Emerald Flow Show.
1:43
[SPEAKER_01]: We're a podcast on the voice of wrestling podcast network.
1:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You could follow us on x and blue sky.
1:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll leave us a five star review on whatever podcast app you're using.
1:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're feeling generous, you can donate to the show
2:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Finishing the no money magic that we're about to review, but yeah, what happened this week and a lot has been happening.
2:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's just dive right in because I even know what to think about this company right now.
2:20
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a weird company for sure.
2:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a very weird company that we're talking about, no, of course, just I don't even know how to describe it.
2:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Truly bizarre, incredibly, I don't know, these, these undercards have become just complete slogs.
2:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
2:37
[SPEAKER_03]: More me to get through And I don't think this is like the lowest no like I think not even like the run of the company It's not the lowest, but it's definitely one of the weirder one because I don't know weird What did I like at least with like in like the dolledrums of like 20, 20, 23 I was like okay, this is like leading to like kind of winning back the title
3:01
[SPEAKER_01]: right and I like at least it seemed like there was a plan and I'm not quite like I guess the plan is to put the title back on the Zawa and then but I don't think there's really a plan for anybody else that's the thing yeah that's that's a good way of putting it I think well and uh there's like a decent question of what exactly this is working because we'll start with legacy
3:31
[SPEAKER_01]: G-H-C title match in cork in a couple of years.
3:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the last time was Go vs. Kaito.
3:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
3:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it Go vs. Keno?
3:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think the score was Keno, actually.
3:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think the score was Keno.
3:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
3:45
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's all.
3:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I was at that show.
3:48
[SPEAKER_03]: It's actually weird that that.
3:49
[SPEAKER_03]: that that was a really good match.
3:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sad that didn't draw that.
3:54
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, I think it's fair to say, because some of the other bad cork is like, we haven't had the GC title matches on top, but I think it's not fair to say that Shane Haste is not a draw.
4:05
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, that's not a surprise though, like I mean, like here's the thing like how much that Noah turned over in a fanbase, right?
4:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Like who the fuck even still remembers that Shane haste was a Noah guy 10 years ago, like after people that are now going like buying tickets for Noah's shows, probably not that many, like if anything, they remember him as the guy that, well, they probably don't remember him from WWE because he didn't do anything.
4:32
[SPEAKER_03]: But then at least remember him after sky was also didn't do all that much and new Japan reason for sure
4:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yes, I mean, look, the company had its formula that do you think the Osawa formulas running out of steam or do you just think these needs to move back to the top of the card?
4:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I don't think you can really put this one on Osawa.
4:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's just, you know, I think it's more that they really, really downcycled Kenta after he won the title.
5:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And the fact that Shane Hayes,
5:05
[SPEAKER_03]: isn't the draw and the fact that it's like the middle of the week.
5:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I think like I mean canter literally said as much like in his like post match promo ways like yeah thank you for like showing up here like for the ones that did show up in the middle of the week basically.
5:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
5:22
[SPEAKER_01]: So we start with opening metro, you say a defeating Karoto Syria in 631 with the crab hold.
5:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, a perfectly fine opener.
5:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the young guys are sort of to me.
5:36
[SPEAKER_01]: What we'll get about it, because there was stuff on the show that I just like, I don't want to be a complete shitter on this company.
5:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's just not the most dynamic company.
5:43
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do enjoy the young guys, even though, I don't know, I'm really high on Syria and where you say is, I don't know, I'm not completely impressed.
5:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just say I got yeah, and then manibu sorry and you can you know how defeated eight issues you can't own 407 with the jump notes who is from soya on condo
6:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, really short, obviously, just trying to establish certain, you know, as a, as a big team type thing.
6:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we have a three way match.
6:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Kyro Kiyomiya, Haruto Kiyomiya, Yudokoranagi, Defeat, Tatsuya, Ando, Hayara, and Katsumi in a Hada, and then kidlikeos, likeos, two of Madoraka, Hayashi, and seven, 38, with the Fisherman Superx hold from Kiyomiya and Takahashi.
6:26
[SPEAKER_01]: These six, man, three ways are just a complete waste.
6:32
[SPEAKER_03]: get why they're doing them.
6:33
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't really work.
6:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah.
6:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, do you well, if you have too many guys on your roster, maybe you should either get some to retire or stop.
6:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
6:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of these freelancers.
6:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
6:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's like because I think like there was a while where the company was actually like I think one of the secret like really good things about Noah were like like excellent like six-man tag matches and now that he's doing these instead.
6:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that they don't get as much
7:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you know, in Bush, if you didn't ask a black man's array in 622 from the with the fable from Bush, I'm so right.
7:12
[SPEAKER_03]: No, this was waste of everybody's time.
7:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Masa Kidimia to Kashi Sugira, Tatsuki and Kai, Kai Fujimori and Juin Masa Okadifida at Suzuki Katoge, because Yuki Fujita Muhammad Yohai, Hroki and Takio and Shima in 6-24, with the cross-order breaker from Tatsuki on Oda Shima.
7:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, like you can't do it, I man, tag six minutes.
7:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Six minutes.
7:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Six minutes, yeah.
7:37
[SPEAKER_01]: For a 10-man tag, that's crazy.
7:39
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I think, when I see you, I don't know what to go.
7:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I can think of that.
7:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what to go.
7:44
[SPEAKER_01]: When I said the undercards are a slog, even though these matches are short, it still feels like a slog.
7:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
7:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because there's so many people in these matches.
7:55
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the problem.
7:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
7:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And then special tag match.
7:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Tiger Mask and Keno defeated now, Mitsubar Fuji in Alohan, 2012, with a tiger on Alohan and this I did enjoy.
8:06
[SPEAKER_01]: This was obviously a fair one with the Noel match from Tiger Mask and it was a lot of fun seeing Mark Fuji and Tiger Mask mix it up once upon a one more time because it was part of time where a big part of the Noel versus
8:19
[SPEAKER_01]: New Japan Junior's feud and like you know 20304, which you've never if you've never watched, you should go watch there incredible notches Especially when ligers shows up in that one.
8:29
[SPEAKER_01]: This is everyone off.
8:31
[SPEAKER_01]: This is off all the no offense is great
8:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, this was just that we not like a super high match, but it's just a lot of fun and then I will 100 or put cat on a tiger mask.
8:42
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of a color and that our hunter brought out and everything like that.
8:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, this was really fun.
8:49
[SPEAKER_03]: As I said, it was really just there to like goodbye.
8:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it wasn't there to be like an excellent match, which like.
8:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, this version of Tiger Mask, not a bad work, but definitely a step below the other Tiger masks, I think it's very fair, and definitely hasn't tried really all that hard and years.
9:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I still, I still shudder thinking about that like all Japan title right.
9:17
[SPEAKER_03]: That was bad, yeah, but anyway, so this was a nice goodbye for him in the promotion and it was just a few good moments and you know what I I would say by his then it's he did actually like by his then it's like these days like he did actually try hard.
9:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and then in the semi main event.
9:38
[SPEAKER_01]: which is arguably sort of the biggest badge they have with this company.
9:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Osawa defeated Yoshiki in number and 1331 with a backslide sort of like with what he beat Nado with.
9:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think this is becoming a pattern which I'm not completely enthralled by.
9:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this is weird.
9:57
[SPEAKER_01]: This is Ego too far to be doing the real rubble.
10:00
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just what this is about.
10:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I would be quite early for him to already be in that shape where he can't do his finish any more.
10:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he'll probably whip it out in a main event at like super hard, but I mean maybe I mean again for me the thing is like I mean the real rebel always was a move that eventually He was gonna have to retire, but I thought I would at least you know take a couple years to get to that point and not like I would I would I would have guessed it would have been like more like Fifty years and not free.
10:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but these do like it's like they don't stout like that's the other thing.
10:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I think about these to it's like they don't have any chemistry
10:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, I thought this was okay until the shenanigans.
10:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that was the entire match.
10:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the entire match was shenanigans.
10:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it got to like, it got to like, house of torture levels of like, oh, yeah, non-stop interference.
10:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I think it was excessive, even by the standards of like, team to thousand X matches.
10:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there wasn't even that much of like a match itself of was just like, and here comes Yoshitatsu again, and here comes Taliske again, and just all on and went, and it didn't really have like an actual match in between them, which was also the problem that they had like at the, at the Buddha-kun, but they also didn't really have like a real match.
11:20
[SPEAKER_03]: It just... No.
11:21
[SPEAKER_03]: had, like, weird, like, not really well connected spots, essentially.
11:27
[SPEAKER_03]: And it wouldn't even be God, I think spots.
11:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Buddha could have felt more agriest because of how long it was.
11:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'd also Buddha caught me, if I...
11:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I mean, that one also like, I mean, at least in that one, I had the feeling that they were kind of like trying to make us our seamless exciting to like put over in a mora, which I don't even think they were doing trying to do that here.
11:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was just a bad match really.
11:55
[SPEAKER_01]: The most strange part of the booking is I don't know where this is going because.
11:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I was always not the next challenger spoiler.
12:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's and also the other thing was like the way that match was going with like a server constantly cheating and everything.
12:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I was actually thinking oh, maybe he's not actually winning the match.
12:11
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he needs like a little bit longer to actually challenge for tipers again, but then he won.
12:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, okay, so he's challenging.
12:18
[SPEAKER_03]: he also didn't do that so yeah again like the story makes less sense with was our winning like if he's not the next challenger like it would have been with the amount of cheating he was doing it would have been fine if he just didn't win if it just backed fight backfires on him eventually and he just loses and has to like figure out how to actually like beat in Amura like in Amura actually becomes this guy that he has to like learn how to beat but yeah I don't know
12:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then in the main event for the GHC heavyweight championship Shane Hayster can count to in 28 39 with the Bomb Valley death to make his first defense of the title.
12:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And as much as I just shot on Shane Hayes would be a brawl to really like this match.
13:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
13:34
[SPEAKER_03]: pretty darn good wrestler I have to say and he sort of gets the no-a-main event style in a way that say Ozawa has it necessarily demonstrate you know I think not to like go back to it that just for quick just like I don't want to know like yeah go too long on the hour but I feel like at this point being in team 2,000 access like actively hurting his development yes for sure because he just
14:00
[SPEAKER_03]: doesn't get to like learn anything or like basically overcome his like I think he's like I think it's almost like regressed as a worker because like because he just doesn't really have to work because he can just
14:16
[SPEAKER_03]: rely on interfere.
14:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's almost like a literal shoot version of what like a heel restless supposed to be or not or supposed to be or sometimes is, right?
14:26
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's like, oh, I'm not good enough to win normally.
14:29
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just going to cheat, where it's like, oh, I'm not good enough to put together a regular structure.
14:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just going to have a bunch of cheating and my matches.
14:44
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, after the match, can't take out a promo and then Tetsuya Endo is now going to be the next challenger.
14:51
[SPEAKER_01]: which certainly a choice, I suppose, he's got like much like, you know, Mara went through everyone in the T-2000 accident, actually, he's going through everyone in white raven squad, which is so muted.
15:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, that's again, I guess that what makes sense, if it wasn't his own music, he had that it is his own unit, it's just a, this is his most valuable booking, this is someone is almost, it's worse than him possibly, right?
15:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think it's him anymore, but it's also worse.
15:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
15:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
15:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
15:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe I'm saying that I missed Nozaba book.
15:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's funny about that.
15:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So on well, we'll get to that after we go to the next couple shows.
15:40
[SPEAKER_01]: So after that they had to show four days later in the go at live lives or lives in the go
15:45
[SPEAKER_01]: The front of 360 fans, which, you know, I don't know, they didn't call it a no vacancy.
15:50
[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever, there wasn't any, again, this is another slog of an undercard poll.
15:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul, was there even anything on this undercard of any interest to you?
15:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
15:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Not really to be honest, like it's just, was just, there's nothing right you say.
16:04
[SPEAKER_03]: All the messages that were there.
16:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the Ruyamatch, that where you say, again, one, and they have a three-match series.
16:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's really going to get finally get his win over where you say in the third match.
16:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, maybe.
16:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
16:17
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a bit of a, I mean, overall you say it's just going to sweep it, I guess.
16:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
16:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
16:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
16:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I mean, maybe more like one more like general thing about the show itself.
16:28
[SPEAKER_03]: They turn those lights down real hard.
16:30
[SPEAKER_03]: It was hard to like see, like it was, like you could really only see people when they were like working in the middle of the ring.
16:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was, I don't even know what's going on.
16:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this takes us back to like 20-23 nowhere.
16:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but like at those times, they were like turning down the house, like it's because they're because they ran giant buildings with nobody.
16:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And no one was coming to see Jake Lee.
16:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so like that made, oh god, you remember that shot when like Kento came out, and it just actually had to turn on the lights because Kento came out, and we just saw that there was nobody in the front row.
17:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
17:12
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but like this wasn't like that, right?
17:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there were clearly people there.
17:16
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just they just turned off the lights for no reason.
17:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
17:21
[SPEAKER_01]: There was Ada defeating Alejandro with the cradle.
17:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was fine.
17:27
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the most sort of interesting thing on the undercard.
17:37
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... which was kennel manibu soya shud and shudji condo defeating kayo kiyo mia yoshiki and man deki odashima twelve twenty with the king cong laria from cong one odashima that was a good match obviously as you would expect all of those guys and then in the mid event we had nil mitchimar Fuji defeating tatsuki and sixty no two with the perfect neck lock and honestly i'd like to smudge
18:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this was surprisingly good.
18:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And the Tadasuke also recently did a lot cleaner than I expected them to.
18:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
18:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was one of the big things that stuck up to me.
18:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought my food sheet was getting a little sloppy towards the end, but other than that, yeah, that was a pretty good match, honestly.
18:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
18:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, de Marifoodry Renaissance is real.
18:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Mar-Fuja song, yeah.
18:26
[SPEAKER_03]: He might be my favorite guy in the company right now, but I would have believed 20 years ago, would like, at 20, 26, it's surprising.
18:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And in another, and another retro match, the next actual title match will be, be like a 2005 special of like Mar-Fuja versus Conte.
18:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I meant it, I mean, yeah, I was actually surprised.
18:50
[SPEAKER_03]: They did it, I actually explained, like, I was like, oh, yeah, great con, don't got the wind here.
18:54
[SPEAKER_03]: It's this anniversary match makes sense.
18:56
[SPEAKER_03]: But I did not expect that to lead to a title challenge.
18:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
19:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, um, so on the 25th of June at Corkin Hall, and I can't, is this before or after the tag league, I think, because we talked with tag weed on Mike.
19:11
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know, anyway, the only tag league matches
19:14
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's more foody versus condo versus Shane Hayes versus dead sweet and dough.
19:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, my question is, what are, and what are the endos chances of winning?
19:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it sort of feels like they're kind of going on in the haste for a bit here.
19:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm not sure what the point of bringing him in, they were just going to do a real quicky rain was.
19:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, again, if I would have expected him to like lose it, like I kind of against Kentucky, could have seen it, against as I think definitely, and know what's really the point of putting it on Endo, right?
19:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's what my thing is, is there any evidence that Endo is a drawing Noah?
19:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think he's, no, he was at the upper mid card now, I see, but I'm not sure he's going to be a drawing Noah.
19:56
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't think, I mean, to be fair, I mean, he had that real quicky, like, national title, right?
20:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the perfect title for him.
20:03
[SPEAKER_01]: If he had, like, six exactly, he had something like that.
20:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Not the main title.
20:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I don't think there's really any point and like switching it to endo Because you had the whole thing of endo saying oh, I'm gonna stick around the Noah until I like fulfilled my like Potential or whatever that whatever you said But it's like well, that mean there wouldn't be no point of him saying that if he then immediately proceeds to like win the title
20:25
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I don't think there's eight, I don't think there's any reason in terms of like draw.
20:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there's any reason in terms of like story line or anything like that, or even like again aside from like not drawing well, the mattress have been good.
20:39
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think the mattress can end or should be good as well.
20:42
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think you can keep the title on haste for a little bit longer.
20:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't want them to hold the title for like I don't know six months or whatever, but like I think if he keeps working like that, he can definitely keep going.
20:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I should have been attacked me, but that's a different discussion.
20:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I would not rule out, and no winning just because who knows what the fuck's going on with this booking in this company.
21:05
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think Ace is going to win, but I would not be like shocked and say that this is the biggest shock of all time if I don't want her any.
21:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be shocked, but I'm just like, it wouldn't make any sense.
21:17
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing.
21:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
21:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I, I, I don't do it.
21:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm, I'm much shocked by anything.
21:22
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I can do, but it's just like, yeah.
21:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's has this until the end of the end one.
21:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's what was on gets it back or something.
21:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.
21:32
[SPEAKER_03]: And hopefully, and why did he be?
21:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Then, why did he beat in a moor?
21:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I got the rules of that long from him challenging again.
21:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Unless you have him loose to Shane Hayes.
21:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
21:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
21:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like you could do whatever you want now, because you don't have a Buddha can't to book to in the new year.
21:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not that you want, but it becomes like you don't have to save your biggest match for January for a really big match.
21:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that was the main and Noah shows very weird very just I don't even know how to describe it
22:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so we move on to Monday Magic, which, well, some people are saying, is this a Noah show?
22:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And I say, well, it's not Noah's Russell Universe channel.
22:17
[SPEAKER_01]: No, if that's a stone.
22:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Russell Universe.
22:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, does it have its own?
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did not realize that.
22:23
[SPEAKER_03]: No, yeah, they did that, they did that like recently.
22:27
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
22:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
22:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's still the Sun Noah on Pearl 11K.
22:32
[SPEAKER_03]: So there we go.
22:34
[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
22:35
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean the majority of people booked on these shows are still no of people.
22:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
22:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the main eventures especially, right?
22:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:44
[SPEAKER_03]: So Marvel, Marvelous, stats, women's progress, links, own Titus Alexander.
22:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
22:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And then so we start off with great
23:00
[SPEAKER_01]: a perfectly good little starter match.
23:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Sokuya is more comfortable in the role.
23:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And Miko, I think she has some potential as a powerhouse, but she's still a little green.
23:11
[SPEAKER_01]: She's only debut in 2024, but it was a perfectly fine opener.
23:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Any thoughts?
23:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
23:16
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, great secure has kind of become like the or is basically like the mascot of like Monday, magic at this point.
23:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
23:25
[SPEAKER_03]: So it makes sense to open the like season before for sure.
23:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm a Sato Tanake in the Kuro Hadoca versus Vanderbilt's current car.
23:34
[SPEAKER_01]: We do a double cat out in 1040 now.
23:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, this is right on my alley, but just a baffling finished.
23:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like I was like really happy about the match and then especially because yeah, we will talk about it later But like this became even more egregious given that this wasn't even the only match on the show that didn't have a finish Yeah, yeah, like I was like okay, this is clearly all this obviously you know, so I'm a booking it But I briefly thought it's like is this actually like like it's had man booking these matches Yeah, I was gonna say this was he like yeah such a rocky booking on the show
24:07
[SPEAKER_01]: for sure.
24:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we had Dekio to Schema, Diffy, Giro, Shinbashi, and 635 with the umbrella attack.
24:16
[SPEAKER_01]: So he tried to the umbrella attack and then Dekie got him.
24:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I was a comedy match, even though Dekio to Schema is like the least comedic wrestler.
24:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't get that in a lot of every way.
24:27
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no.
24:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that worked really well, though, because he just, like, the whole, like, start where, like, Odashima just, like, literally, like, wrestled, like, rings around him, and, like, Shinpar, she just got completely, like, turned around by that.
24:41
[SPEAKER_03]: That was actually quite funny of just, like, again, I think it works really well.
24:44
[SPEAKER_03]: If you have somebody, I take, he was just completely straight-laced and just, it's like, yeah, I guess this is a common image.
24:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't give a shit.
24:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to, like, grab me.
24:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to try and grapple with you and you see if
24:56
[SPEAKER_03]: where'd she get?
24:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
25:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we had what I would probably say is the most pointless matches of the show.
25:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't defeat a strategic kind of hide and kid like it was two and a four-way and seven or two.
25:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you could have put that on, you could have put that on an on a card of a no or so.
25:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this isn't the one on a card show, like an on a card match, right?
25:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's too many people, too little time, and yeah.
25:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And so next we have to come here and thank you Akka Suki, I defeated my Sakurai Yuka Yamazaki in 1239 when Sanka pinned Yamazaki with that sort of like all Japan women's press straight out of the 80s.
25:45
[SPEAKER_01]: This is actually quite good, I thought.
25:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, I thought it was, I mean, fuck, it ruined and think like, like, either, either will, like, really good, like, wrestlers as well.
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and Yamazaki is, in fact, a very good, young, Russia, they've been last year, but as much grief as Marigold gets, and, you know, most of it's disheveled, I mean, have turned out a couple of good rookies.
26:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I talked about this when I was on my car, recently, where I was like, look, I, medical is obviously going through some bad shirt right now.
26:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's, it's a mess at the moment.
26:19
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, if you look at it, like, that some of that their school has been fucking excellent.
26:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Like,
26:25
[SPEAKER_03]: It's one really, really bad miss, but the miss was so bad.
26:29
[SPEAKER_03]: They had to retire her.
26:32
[SPEAKER_03]: But then otherwise, they have thrown out some really good rookies.
26:36
[SPEAKER_03]: And like Sankha, like she is a marvelous trainee, but she's getting regular booking.
26:41
[SPEAKER_03]: She is safe that close, like Eve into her as well.
26:44
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I don't like Marigold's
26:48
[SPEAKER_03]: pretty bad like pretty bad right now, but I think there is a chance that in like two free years like yeah, miracle could be on fire just based on like the guys that are coming up there right now.
27:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree the trick is just surviving.
27:02
[SPEAKER_03]: That that's the problem.
27:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we think it will be fine for a couple of years there will be really good, but they just have to do that.
27:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was a really good match and then the magic rumble our 100 defeated archie call
27:17
[SPEAKER_01]: by throwing them over the top rope in 22 minutes.
27:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And we also had super crazy Alan Angels, Rich Poor Diola, I could know Varro, Rhys Alexios in this match.
27:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Rich Poor Diola is, I mean, I think this guy's got something, he's got a very green.
27:36
[SPEAKER_01]: He looks like a guy that Noah would, I mean, that WWE would give an NXT contract to.
27:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he needs like not to go straight into WWE and you're Japan and work in these and everything like that.
27:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I call them a SmackDown versus Raw 2011 CW.
28:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, look, he's got a decent look, he's tall.
28:07
[SPEAKER_03]: No, he's obviously, he has a good look.
28:10
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, yeah, he needs to develop something.
28:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he obviously has to body down.
28:15
[SPEAKER_03]: He just needs to develop like the other parts basically.
28:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And getting sucked right into the NXT system is not going to be.
28:24
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not the way that, no.
28:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't think he would even make an NXT.
28:27
[SPEAKER_03]: He would be stuck on, like, evolve.
28:29
[SPEAKER_03]: That's nothing.
28:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, like, you know, I think Eichard Navarro is progressing.
28:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Alan Angels was a real surprise, I suppose.
28:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He was good in this reselective, you know, to obviously like Archie Cole, we'll get to that in more in the moment.
28:45
[SPEAKER_03]: But Paul is, like, like, find yourself somebody that loves you as much as Nozaba loves Archie Cole.
28:53
[SPEAKER_01]: But Paul, since he brought up NXT, sluts dive into what Ohususaki's been doing in NXT.
29:00
[SPEAKER_01]: not match.
29:02
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but I didn't see this until someone pointed this out.
29:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember who in the the Noah channel in the voice of wrestling discord.
29:08
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's had four matches in NXT, listen to this.
29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Chending Lorenzo defeats Okasasaki on February 24th in a dark match before the episode of NXT.
29:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Nico Vance, who I don't even know who that is, defeats Okasasaki in a dark match before an NXT.
29:29
[SPEAKER_01]: On NXT, like Largo Loop show, the Vanity Project,
29:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Brad Bailer, Jackson Drake and Ricky Smokes defeats Eli Knight, Kail Dix in Oakland, Sasaki.
29:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Those sure are real people.
29:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And you have to think you could make this up completely.
29:44
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never heard of any of these people.
29:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And on another, Largo Lucho, on the first of May, Kianu Cobra defeats Ucos Sasaki.
29:55
[SPEAKER_01]: What is this guy doing?
29:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he doing training on submissions or something?
29:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't... Yeah.
30:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he training other people to how to do submissions?
30:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope he is.
30:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it seems like a complete waste of everybody's time.
30:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
30:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I really hope this is like the last time they sent anybody there.
30:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I could just compare that to what like Cougar is doing.
30:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's not that all of the stuff that Kugas doing is great because he has a boat to have like an Atlas title match with like fucking jean money.
30:25
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's that's not great, but then like for example in like GWF right they put like the secondary title on him and then he just won their like World Cup gimmick.
30:34
[SPEAKER_03]: So, bit of it like different like respect and the booking that he's getting compared to like Oh, sure.
30:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And speaking of NXT, I don't think we this happened after recording last, but we'll cruise popped up in an early.
30:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really.
30:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
30:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember what his name is.
30:53
[SPEAKER_01]: It's for something funny, uh, um, so, um, yeah, no more world crews in Noah.
30:58
[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting a push.
30:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like T right off the bat though, uh, which, uh, which is interesting.
31:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Mason Ruck.
31:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus Christ, these names are bad.
31:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah.
31:09
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the other thing, like, I mean, we were joking about like the, like, right, like, I don't know, like I think about 10 years back, we were joking about the NXT name generator.
31:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like you just know that they're just AI generating these names now.
31:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
31:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they basically just like once they hire new people, they just go and ask like, crack or charity PT or Claude or whatever the fuck, to like generate me like 10 trait markable names.
31:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
31:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't I really don't I really don't get what what the fuck what the fuck is doing over there like this What like all because the sake is doing over there.
31:47
[SPEAKER_03]: This is just I really hope he's coming back soon because this is just he's Not the youngest either.
31:53
[SPEAKER_03]: So you can't really like Have them fuck around over there for too long.
31:57
[SPEAKER_03]: We actually if you want to do something with him, you need to do it now
32:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Like similar to what like all Japan did with the site was right, but yeah, they got a bit of an excursion, but it was really only like a couple of months, and then they went back and immediately got a push.
32:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that worked out.
32:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the main event of Monday, magic.
32:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of killed me versus Titus Alexander went to a 20 minute time on the draw as we were saying is who's booking this?
32:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But honestly this is very good matches you would expect for these guys and now There's the new three musketeers of money magic and Paul.
32:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know who the three musketeers of money magic are?
32:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's Archie Cole Kaituki and Mia and marvelous.
32:42
[SPEAKER_01]: That's Pro Wrestling's own Titus Alexander That is like the ideal the platonic ideal of like an insol way unit
32:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, absolutely, like this is like a wittering for, oh, no, that was like, okay, I'm going to make a fact like it's like quite literally like it's like his like, like T, W, safe, it's like that's the faction he would have made in there, but like it's like his dream faction, essentially it's like these free guys specifically.
33:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it is C. Osawa, uh, Osawa like dunking on it immediately.
33:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I did.
33:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He felt a treat about that.
33:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's porous ago.
33:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have absolutely no feeling for the direction of this company and look I you know I enjoyed it was easy watch, but the Monday magics also don't have the spark they used to no Because they have like an established roster now basically like it used to be the thing of like oh You don't really know who's gonna like come through the curtain
33:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like that was that was the draw of the early like Monday magic shows, but now it's like, I mean, again, I like kind of KMS titles and like then I was like, these two have been on basically all of these like Monday magic shows recently essentially Like it's like same of like yeah, like Archie calls like I mean actually calls for all intensive purposes is like a Monday magic only wrestler
34:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the thing that exists now is Archie in the marvellous thing or probably I mean all of these foreigners to get pop up in marvellous.
34:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, he is.
34:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's a marvelous.
34:19
[SPEAKER_01]: He's worked one marvellous.
34:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
34:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Which was at the beginning of the year.
34:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but was there for like Monday magic?
34:27
[SPEAKER_01]: shows.
34:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I mean, again, it's not even like he's working in England.
34:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he had like two mattress outside of Japan this year and they were on the same day.
34:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
34:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I see that.
34:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Brick King Pro Wrestling Rain.
34:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard of this company either.
34:43
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
34:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.
34:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So, well, we'll see if you can make it to the.
34:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my God.
34:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Wait a minute.
34:50
[SPEAKER_03]: This used to be
34:56
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... wasn't that wasn't that the nons but wasn't that the nons uh... promotion i don't for w ended in twenty thirteen according to this or changes name in twenty thirteen maybe i don't but i i do remember for w being like there was something up there i don't remember what of was though well i'm sure people will tell us yeah
35:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so then we move on to all Japan pro wrestling champion car of a 2026 as I borrow way of a rena Ota.
35:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:29
[SPEAKER_01]: 3,000 and 55 fans.
35:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul, that is the biggest number that they've done since the 50th anniversary show.
35:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:38
[SPEAKER_01]: That is rather okay.
35:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Most likely the biggest like legit number they've done like it might be the biggest legit number They've done in a building right like because they had to trade for a team show But that ones like late mood two years and all of those numbers You have to put a big asterisk next to sure sure
35:56
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, at the very least, it's the biggest one since 2013.
36:00
[SPEAKER_03]: And think about how often they've run this building since then.
36:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
36:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this a go-shio-zaki number?
36:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this a Yuma-ansai number?
36:07
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think, Paul?
36:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Yuma-ansai doing really, really well.
36:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I would actually be curious, like we're obviously not going to ever going to get that data, but I would be curious to see like the number of
36:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, somebody said his social media followers have noticed we've gone up.
36:30
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know, like I can see that have like an effect.
36:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I think people because I think it was pretty clear that Go was going to go to the finals.
36:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that probably had an effect, right?
36:39
[SPEAKER_03]: People wanted to see like, I'll go finally going to like basically do the one thing he has not been able to do in this career.
36:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yeah, I think it was just a combination of it.
36:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was just a combination of people wanted to see go and I think also yeah people want to see like you my hands are because yeah again he's going to be he's going to be the few like he is the future of the company, it's like we have all known this, but I think it's even more clear now like like the fact that he has now managed like cross over into the mainstream.
37:11
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like we just saw this with like, started gaining a massive, like, bump in popularity, just based off of, uh, sia, like appearing on TV.
37:24
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, hopefully they can hopefully they can keep this up.
37:28
[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see.
37:29
[SPEAKER_01]: This is more mainstream than anything can't was ever done.
37:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
37:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
37:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, as well, right?
37:35
[SPEAKER_03]: more mainstream than anything the cytoes have ever done like a Dave turn a bunch of promotional stuff so yeah yeah that's right and I think I mean
37:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to do spoilers but like and so I've been to like he basically got second place in the in the bathroom right right yeah and again like you know if you have a good looking young guy who is your peers to be like able to like laugh at himself that is going to gain him so many fucking fans yeah like also if you can even fans as well
38:09
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good that he didn't win, but came in second.
38:12
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like the idea.
38:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
38:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
38:13
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll want him to win.
38:14
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still available.
38:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
38:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is so perfect for them.
38:20
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
38:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But now onto the show because oh my god.
38:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
38:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Before we start.
38:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Where would you rank one night performances?
38:32
[SPEAKER_01]: go in one-night performances and multiple matches on the show.
38:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, that's a really good one because we had to pay a full up like a Sasuke and wild Pegasus, color-tug in the super-tug.
38:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, something like that.
38:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I probably maybe also got in like a Bola or a 16-carot.
38:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably also.
38:55
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the most back.
38:56
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like obviously Sasuke and then
39:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but just in terms of like overall story, I mean, go was incredible.
39:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
39:06
[SPEAKER_03]: No, yeah, go was amazing.
39:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was like, me, I think it's pretty clearly the MVP of the promotions of artists here.
39:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
39:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So we sat off with that.
39:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Go she was acting defeating Madoka Kukuta in 1813 with the Go On Lariat.
39:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this was incredible.
39:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is,
39:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw some people talking about some of these matches is being a little slow to start, but I don't think that was an issue because Goji sold his fucking ass off from the bell.
39:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I went out with his tape ribs.
39:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I just loved him just getting tortured by Kaku to getting tortured by Suzuki and obviously, yes, they had the the high impact finishing sequences, but I thought everything Goji in this match was just so compelling to watch.
39:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I mean, he just let like Kaku to be to set out of him.
39:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think this is really like a thing where like Kikuta looks like it's insanely strong despite a fact that he lost.
39:58
[SPEAKER_03]: because he really dominated like most of the match.
40:03
[SPEAKER_03]: And like yeah, he like in the end, like go basically like managed to get off like face, like one good sequence and I was like enough to like get the win over Kukuta.
40:11
[SPEAKER_03]: But it also didn't feel like it basically felt like go got lucky at the end, where it's like he had like that last burst of energy.
40:18
[SPEAKER_03]: And that like got him the win.
40:19
[SPEAKER_03]: But if he didn't win here, like you know that he would have lost the match basically.
40:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Dream gate to fans.
40:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I don't think they have one scheduled right now.
40:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it actually be the culpable seems so far away, but I don't think there's anybody really like lined up right now.
40:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you run another go versus cocoon match of the dream gate?
40:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, go challenging for the dream gate or have what you fucking rule?
40:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, so you can't speak.
40:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, now that he's not going for the triple crown obviously in the next, in the near, like, near future at least.
40:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think, yeah, I think that would be like, I think Dragon Gate would be up for that as well.
41:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like, yeah, go back to India, so he has like the right to challenge.
41:07
[SPEAKER_03]: They could probably do that.
41:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd like,
41:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that would be really fucking cool idea.
41:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, if you either do that in Dragon Gate all the time, yeah, if I don't, I think they should do it.
41:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, like, get, you can have a cool take it.
41:18
[SPEAKER_03]: It's one bag of throw.
41:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other cherry carnival final, semi final.
41:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like you Suzuki to feel a race side on one minute and nine seconds with the horizontal Kramer.
41:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I work at this end there.
41:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be like, go have a hand in the broken, because this is just a complete call back to last year when Ray Squash Suzuki.
41:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, jumped Ray instantly quick, pretty quick after the bell to get him a choke sleeper and then Ray fought out with some great slaps that Hadaki got the choke sleeper back on they thought they struggled over it and then Suzuki rolled them up.
41:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is exactly needed in a great callback.
41:54
[SPEAKER_03]: No, yeah, perfect story.
41:55
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like 10 or 10.
41:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it was only one minute, but it's exactly what what it needed to be as well.
42:01
[SPEAKER_03]: And you also want to do the story.
42:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Like A, it's a great callback to like last
42:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And then B, it also, it's like what it needs to be.
42:09
[SPEAKER_03]: We're like, you want Suzuki to basically go into the final fresh.
42:13
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to go to like go and like beat them to set by the good, and you want Suzuki to go and fresh.
42:20
[SPEAKER_01]: The next step, have a versus Okuto army.
42:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Zion Odyssey is your terrorist, you know, defeated Okuto or Mori.
42:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Takashi and Azawa.
42:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Number one, with the
42:28
[SPEAKER_01]: top of diving headbutt from Zion on Omori, and then after the match, I don't know, Hoko-to-gun by people break it up, but Azal was going to challenge Kuma for the TV title.
42:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And if I get this correctly, if Azal wins the TV title, then Hoko-to-gun won't break up.
42:45
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're like, Hoko-to-gun has been breaking up for like six months at this point, actually more like a year.
42:51
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're like they've been at a process of breaking up since Talos left.
42:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know, God, um, is it just she just supposed to go, was it she was supposed to take some time off?
43:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I was actually going to ask you the same thing.
43:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I was worried.
43:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I think about that.
43:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I think so too.
43:09
[SPEAKER_03]: And no, he's just, he wrestled on every kind of outro in the other card.
43:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's so it makes no sense that he wasn't in this turn of it.
43:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, the Yassataka Yana read, read debut match, you know, Yaki defeated Yassataka Yana in 12, 24 with the full.
43:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I was astounded by how much, I mean, Yana got in this match.
43:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
43:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, um, he kicked out of everything and then, kind of, you take it out and fly a fool instead of just like a crowdhold in the middle of the thing.
43:41
[SPEAKER_01]: It's odd or what that's all about.
43:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Um,
43:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we had Ren Ayabay, Taoist and Shota Kofuji defeating June Sedo, Mr. Sedo, New Rookie, Doi, and Senior Sedo on 1135, the Hurcon Rana from Kofuji on Senior Sedo, which was a big feel good moment because Kofuji was just young boy once he joined the company.
44:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's also been a year, like, since he made it to be as well.
44:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
44:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And then can't tell me a horror, you may enzyme Riki Honda and Kuma Rashid if you'd disake Sacramento, Suwama, Hakarsato, Kangal Machimo, and 1621 with the Gimmlet from Anzion, Sato, this was a good match, a good eight-man attack, and Suwama and Honda brawl, which means Honda is going to challenge for the six-man titles, but I don't know who's partners.
44:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Actually what I found interesting is that it's always like the crowd's reaction to like Suwama and
44:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it almost made me think like I think on a run this back, like one last time.
44:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they never really read it saying that this would be the last time, so they could always do that.
44:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
44:49
[SPEAKER_03]: And if the Obama is back, like more regularly, you know, you might as well.
44:53
[SPEAKER_03]: through it one last time.
44:55
[SPEAKER_03]: But you also sell it as like, no, it's like, like, you can basically sell it as like, this is Obama's like last title challenge, basically.
45:03
[SPEAKER_03]: If he loses this, he's never gonna like go for the belt that we're gonna.
45:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Dan Tamera, Axe Aoyaki and rising hat or defeated Musashi, Rio in a way, and Sikiyoshioka in 1431 with the viral, Firebird splash from Aoyaki on in a way.
45:18
[SPEAKER_01]: This was a good semi-main event.
45:23
[SPEAKER_01]: the match is Anzine Kentel and I think it's set the table well for what we're going to get next.
45:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the main event, Hadaki Suzuki defeated Go Shiozaki in 2415 with a double arm suplex hold and Hadaki surprised us all.
45:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But as you could guess, I mean, this is a great performance by both guys go selling like his, his intestines were about to fall out.
45:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Or is it just like we're going to overload bone of something busted open as well, right?
45:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's just had it like believe it.
45:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And he got keep he bled in the first match, too.
46:02
[SPEAKER_01]: and against Kakura, I forgot to mention.
46:05
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, this is just masterful.
46:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I saw people say that it was a little slow to start.
46:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll technically, but I was just like, again, I was in thrall.
46:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Ghost getting the shit kicked out of me.
46:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
46:16
[SPEAKER_03]: It gets the thing you don't have to have a quick start, and that's a faily.
46:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I have to know how to do it properly, and this man gets it.
46:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And Hadekido is too, because when he wants to like,
46:26
[SPEAKER_01]: dismantle you he can, right?
46:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I bet all those double arms superexes I thought oh my god Hedeki was gonna win and then when like go kicked out of the second double arms superx I thought okay goes good win.
46:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Did the the double arms superx hold?
46:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean this is one of the best max of the year if you ask me.
46:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean that ain't kuda.
46:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give the edge to this though
46:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, no.
46:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought this was the best match in all Japan, at the very least, the photos here.
46:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
46:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
47:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
47:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And Crowell, performances by both men.
47:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and what do you think of this result?
47:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I honestly mean it.
47:07
[SPEAKER_01]: This is so amazing.
47:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I cannot, I mean, I think I should have won, but I cannot get angry about this.
47:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is a thing.
47:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I was surprised by the result.
47:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I thought literally like the entire match until the end happened that like, goes winning this for sure, and then he didn't.
47:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know what immediately afterwards, I was like, I think I'm fine with this.
47:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm fine with him not winning.
47:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's good actually.
47:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's good that now there is this one thing that like Go Shiosaki has never managed to do, right?
47:39
[SPEAKER_03]: That there is this like just mark on a career that he probably will just never be able to like erase because I think Go works so well as just like tragic hero.
47:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think you just need this and as a tragic like he is a guess been try to cure for like basically like most of his career right and it's like generally he has been able to like you know
48:04
[SPEAKER_03]: overcome the thing, like you want on the drop of crown, you want the GHC title, and all of that.
48:11
[SPEAKER_03]: But he just never won the champion carnival, and he probably never will, and I think it's good, I think it's good for people to not fulfill their dreams sometimes.
48:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Ever.
48:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it makes for a good story.
48:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So do you think that Photoshop, everyone, the IWGB title?
48:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
48:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he never should have wanted.
48:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I liked the rain that he eventually had.
48:36
[SPEAKER_03]: And I kind of get, I get why they did it because of, yeah, the situation that they were in.
48:43
[SPEAKER_03]: What I think the story was so much better with, like, with go to never winning.
48:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that a such a good story of him just never being able to overcome that thing.
48:54
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, basically, like, because it's also like, you can have that realization, it's like,
48:58
[SPEAKER_03]: At the end of the day, it doesn't matter that he never won that title.
49:03
[SPEAKER_03]: He's still had an amazing career despite it.
49:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I just thought that was just a much better story.
49:10
[SPEAKER_03]: With him just not being able to overcome that hurdle essentially.
49:16
[SPEAKER_03]: So again, I can't really say that they did a good job with him as champion, but I think it just would have been better if he had just never done it.
49:27
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.
49:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see.
49:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
49:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not ruling it out though with go.
49:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the thing is, remember, like, they have actually gave everybody things.
49:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, remember, Nagada got his triple crown.
49:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Kojima got his UHC title.
49:43
[SPEAKER_03]: So, but I mean, with him, it's just the thing of like, you know, how long it's this body going to be able to like hold up.
49:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly right.
49:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so also a ghost left havoc, which I'm actually kind of sad about.
49:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought he was like a weird fit at first, but like, what even is that faction now?
50:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It's bizarre because the faction's still over.
50:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
50:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they're going to move someone else in and bring someone else in to being a havoc.
50:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
50:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So I used to do this maybe he said he enjoyed fighting on it wrestling honestly and he wants to like wrestling the guys and have it more I don't I don't know like you don't have to lie like that that's not nice Yes, so let's then preview the next big show which is actually a month from today on June 18 that cork and haul so for the all is a tank team titles finally and I assume that they're going back to come back to all Japan
50:40
[SPEAKER_01]: home.
50:42
[SPEAKER_01]: So it would be the winner of Genki Koroguchi and Yashiki Kanda versus Ishin and Yashiki Kato on June 4th versus Eski Eliyaki and Ryzen Kato.
50:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul I sort of fell off the what's going on with the Alleyzateg Kato's after Fuji and Mochizuki won them.
51:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And then
51:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay.
51:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Genki, Genki, Genki has basically turned into the her game, where she is just beating everybody right now.
51:18
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, I don't like, for some reason, don't drink it at a society like 20, 20, sexist, like when we need to do a big, Genki, how are you, good, treat, push?
51:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he beat, like DC, beat the tax ramp on like the last show.
51:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he beat, he beat Jackie, funky, funky, funky.
51:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just want, he's not funky anymore, but you know what I mean?
51:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I just read caseloas, very scary review of Drain game 2026 and he said that they have like all Asian tag title, contender ship matches made of edict shirts like yeah and again like you have like Jackie and Rita as like a really fucking good.
51:54
[SPEAKER_03]: like twin gay champions and they get like no title matches ever like when they do get title matches they're fucking excellent and but they like never get any matches and then yeah instead like the all-asia title has no become like the main tag title and the promotion seemingly for like is this something or even weird seizure of power by the old or something
52:16
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like that, like it's odd.
52:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I think one of the problems is that the whole like Yoshioca, Kikuta generation has kind of failed, and I guess maybe they're also like, I don't know, maybe they're also like, well, Dragon Diage just walked out.
52:34
[SPEAKER_03]: So now we're just gonna like, reassume control with the people that we know we can rely on, but like that's not gonna solve your problems.
52:42
[SPEAKER_03]: That's only gonna make them worse.
52:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's just paving the way for certain someone to come scrolling, scrolling back in.
52:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, I don't do.
52:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I am, I am very certain she must gonna be back on that promotion before the year is over.
52:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she might have produced show that more than great did.
53:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, well, that's not hard.
53:04
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
53:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's coming back to save you, right here.
53:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, yeah, I actually gave up.
53:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually gave up an unsubscribe from, oh, OK. From Dragon Gate Network.
53:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I was like, it's too expensive.
53:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is just not very good.
53:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll Japan seems to have done well on that relationship.
53:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's going anywhere to be completely honest with you, which is good because I think they are confident in each other.
53:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so on this show at Corkin Hall in June, oh yeah, we also have Staggart Taxi Banner versus Dan Tamar, which has been built through through the entire shaping carnival undercard, and I'm really looking forward to that.
53:51
[SPEAKER_01]: They are going to try to take each other's heads off in that match, I think.
53:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, a dead ebrosis can't do has not been officially announced for the show, but I think that's what's going to happen to you.
54:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is going to be a loaded show, Paul, because also we have another title defense on this show.
54:08
[SPEAKER_01]: a very prestigious title.
54:10
[SPEAKER_01]: The NWA World Championship is going to be defended on the show, which as of right now is the Thrillbelly Salus Mason, who I had previously said on the show would be a good fit in all Japan, but I don't know if he's going to be championed by the time.
54:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know.
54:26
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not lost yet.
54:28
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not really good, but there are there are there are tapings between
54:34
[SPEAKER_01]: and this show on the 18th of June.
54:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And his opponent is Axe.
54:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Pahudi think Axe is going to be because they're going to make Honda another sacrificial day.
54:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the end of the year.
54:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Satoshi Kutrema.
54:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't be interested.
54:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I would be like continuing like the lineage of like all the Japanese guys Winning the NWA title.
55:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I would I would not give up go to do a draw.
55:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say go as the width
55:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, that's a thing.
55:06
[SPEAKER_03]: If it's go-go-wins, like I don't think that's really like in question in that case.
55:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Honda, I could see like him losing, Yuma, actually, Yuma Ayuyagi, not Anza, obviously.
55:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Yuma Ayuyagi, I could just be actually punishment.
55:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like, well, I mean, okay, and you might just have to get a big title match, but yeah, you can drop the thing.
55:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:27
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think the NWA is going to say no, it's like, hey, you get to beat the former triple crown champion.
55:33
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, they're going to be all over that.
55:35
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, actually, who's like a bit of a dark cause?
55:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Tallys.
55:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And they do the change.
55:41
[SPEAKER_03]: They do the change, yeah.
55:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that also makes sense.
55:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Never even done that.
55:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, it's going to be like,
55:51
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, right, because then you can open up.
55:53
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh, welcome back to end of your pound.
55:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I here's our new end of your eight champion, Tallos, who beat Silas Mason in the legendary Currican Hall in Japan.
56:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and yeah, you don't have to get a visa for him.
56:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
56:08
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think they should take the triple crown off.
56:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't go and put the end of your world title and can't go.
56:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Can't do what we all over that.
56:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Can't do what we can't do with the absolutely up for that.
56:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you just think, like again, him being the whole gunmark that he is, you know?
56:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, again, we don't know if this is a, they have a working one.
56:28
[SPEAKER_01]: They see him for this is just a, um, like, um, transactional.
56:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this seems to be a bit more like a relationship than it did last time, but it was very clearly just like hey can you book out champion for one match and you're like, yeah sure.
56:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, because Lord crew wrestles for.
56:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, E.C.
56:49
[SPEAKER_01]: 3's little NWA Exodus promotion in Ohio, and that was the link there.
56:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
56:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
56:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
56:56
[SPEAKER_03]: But again, like the Titans of Calamity, it like they want the, uh, the Crocodacop and everything.
57:05
[SPEAKER_03]: So, and now Silas Mason coming over, like it does feel like it be, it's a bit more of a relationship than it was last time.
57:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
57:15
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
57:16
[SPEAKER_03]: The first
57:17
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of talent in the NWA that feels like they could fit in all Japan.
57:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know how good they really would be in a Japanese setting though.
57:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
57:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's a bit of a question.
57:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Quick clock and cup update.
57:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched the recent most recent match.
57:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I missed one of the matches.
57:38
[SPEAKER_01]: uh and they only put up on the comment website the last most recent episode so I missed the contents of Clambity Beating Tom Latimer and um I don't know.
57:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Latimer's partner was it was um as it's someone I can't remember what their name was.
57:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I did watch, I didn't see that, but I watched a quarter of fun of the semis that was the tides of clammy versus Mike Mando and Spencer Slade.
58:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And for what I've seen that was definitely the best tides of clammy and WA match.
58:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Mando and Mando might be a little short, but he's jacked.
58:15
[SPEAKER_01]: But Spencer Slade is doing an old school wrestler gimmick.
58:19
[SPEAKER_01]: with like the ear guards and the singlet.
58:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And like throwing people with soup boxes and using an ankle lock and everything like that.
58:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he could fight Chotaro Shinovas.
58:33
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, that was wrestling like an old school southern tag.
58:35
[SPEAKER_01]: They did a day that took out Talos' legs and had him ground and isolated them.
58:41
[SPEAKER_01]: But then the Titans fought back and won with a double choke slam.
58:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And everything like that.
58:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was fun.
58:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, I mean, again, it was a very quick batch.
58:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the finals are next week.
58:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So I will try to catch that and see how that went.
58:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And everything like that.
58:54
[SPEAKER_01]: But you said does feel like that this is more of a working relationship than what happened last time.
59:01
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, yeah, I still think Keto would be the best bet to belt up later with this end of the week.
59:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and it gives him something to do.
59:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can have like, you know,
59:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, definitely.
59:16
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just obviously not on this show because I mean, okay, do you think there's any chance he decke wins and gets like a transitionary reign.
59:26
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, they don't have to.
59:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you can't do versus Anza now, right?
59:30
[SPEAKER_03]: They just put it on he decke, he gets like one defense and then they put it on Anza.
59:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think, I mean, in my gut,
59:44
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that he has transitional champion is a very real possibility that I cannot rule out.
59:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that he will try hard in all of his defenses, like I have no worry about that.
59:57
[SPEAKER_01]: When he's in the main event, everything like that, he, you know, incredible forms of Chabacarva.
1:00:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've really issues with it.
1:00:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And it sure makes a lot of sense because
1:00:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Then, Anzai could be Hadekki and then you could run Anzai versus Kentawat, Yoyogi again, and then Anzai would assume winds, right?
1:00:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hello answers really beaten canto, so it's not like that big of a deal, but I mean he beat him really early actually if he'd remember Oh, yeah, they ripped that bandage of real fast.
1:00:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they probably that's where they probably did that too soon Yeah, that's gonna go back to that canto You know what, I think maybe canto should have beat him in the carnival moment.
1:00:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, get it He actually has some he actually has some credibility for beating the next days
1:00:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure, or like beat him in the first, having beat, can't go beat him in the first round of the road tournament or something?
1:00:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
1:00:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I forgot to add.
1:00:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like the side, those are going to challenge the Titans, and that's going to happen.
1:01:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Sendai.
1:01:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Sendai.
1:01:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think we predict that that.
1:01:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's probably, I guess they're going to, the, the side of those are going to win that since they already.
1:01:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, as well.
1:01:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like, I mean, this company's had cats to lose and fruit or oak up, but you don't want to, you're going to have to get the, yeah, I can't have the side of his job too many times and send that exactly.
1:01:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so that's, um, all Japan feels, I mean, I don't know.
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that he's booking?
1:01:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think goes booking?
1:01:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's one of those too.
1:01:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it might be cool.
1:01:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also like, I mean, as you say, there's a high level of attention to detail too.
1:01:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that all Japan is not always had in recent years.
1:01:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I can definitely see some similarities between what's happening right now and like,
1:01:53
[SPEAKER_03]: How the team though are show support, right?
1:02:07
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I'm pretty sure, well, I don't know how much.
1:02:16
[SPEAKER_01]: power influence that Yuma Ayoyagi has, and I suspect that I'm going to get more.
1:02:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not anymore.
1:02:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see it.
1:02:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Even like, you know, Hokuto Guns hanging on my threat.
1:02:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which was like the Yuma Ayoyagi, like, like, it wasn't the Yuma Ayoyagi faction.
1:02:35
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the actual Yuma Ayoyagi faction, which also doesn't exist anymore.
1:02:45
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I didn't.
1:02:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I know you died this band like I think did this band at Wendy reformed evolution all right evolution came back.
1:02:53
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
1:02:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and then move a lot or God said.
1:02:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:02:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, the another thing is there's rumors going around that Fumanoi Abe might be going to New Japan.
1:03:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:03:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you still the six-minute chant.
1:03:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, no, it's you must, who's, who's it?
1:03:12
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Swama.
1:03:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Swama Idiki.
1:03:13
[SPEAKER_03]: And did you take it?
1:03:15
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
1:03:15
[SPEAKER_03]: No, not, is it no, it's no, it's not.
1:03:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I think, wait, who's the first one?
1:03:19
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Sato, it's a Swama.
1:03:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, she won a Hideki in Dan.
1:03:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it is a Hideki.
1:03:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, it is a Hideki.
1:03:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, yeah.
1:03:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I think you should, Hideki, yeah.
1:03:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:03:27
[SPEAKER_03]: You just doesn't come out with the pills.
1:03:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
1:03:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't remember if all they had them, but he did.
1:03:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, he did have them for a while.
1:03:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that was another guy that they use a lot of that probably won't be around So yeah, you know, which That's not but I mean good for him for like moving up.
1:03:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely But you know keep your eyes out on something you know young junior talents on the Indies that you can bring in and sort of feel that gap Yeah, not that that is usually done because he's obviously very high level Well, sure everything like that, but I mean between the
1:04:03
[SPEAKER_01]: big improvement in the bookings and size, um, new found startup.
1:04:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this company is definitely in a great position, especially with the number they just drew.
1:04:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, if I had to do like your what your, um, swatted analysis, I would say the biggest problem of this company is who, who the president is because you could easily derail.
1:04:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:04:26
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, I think it's also just the biggest problem there is is that there's just like an up a ceiling for all Japan without any like carpet backing basically.
1:04:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:04:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:04:36
[SPEAKER_01]: We said this before like, you know, I think there was, I want to point there was like a big, um,
1:04:42
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, people were like, no, we don't want corporate backers coming up and buying these wrestling companies because they're going to ruin them, but I think that's sort of no one's not ruined because it got bought by cyber agent.
1:04:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's safe by that.
1:04:53
[SPEAKER_01]: If anything.
1:04:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those problems are internal.
1:04:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, always have been and again this is like this is far away like again as many problems as I have no right now.
1:05:03
[SPEAKER_03]: This is far like this isn't even the risk period on the cyber fight and it's far so far away from the risk period ever even booking wise.
1:05:11
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so far away from the world.
1:05:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're talking and then leaving whoever's in charge right now would probably pay off especially to get you to look at the start of them.
1:05:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yes,
1:05:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was going to say, well, I said, right, I think you just think there's opening because Noah is now seems to have Pete from it's like 2025 and then New Japan seems to be one step forward to steps back recently because it seemed like things were turning around, but then don't talk who was not so great.
1:05:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there really is someone wants to come and buy up all Japan.
1:05:45
[SPEAKER_01]: There is an opening there and you get a bunch of young talent.
1:05:48
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a particularly large roster.
1:05:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, Rakuten.
1:05:52
[SPEAKER_03]: We know you want to do that.
1:05:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:05:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who Japan?
1:05:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
1:05:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:05:59
[SPEAKER_01]: You know.
1:06:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:06:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Content, right?
1:06:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of content.
1:06:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:06:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Which again, like, works out weed as worked out really well for like side by side.
1:06:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:06:10
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're only one hour and 11 minutes into the show so I have a little something just in case Paul, are you doing the 30 under 30 this year for voices of us?
1:06:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I am yes, I have not finished my list though.
1:06:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's due on the 22nd.
1:06:26
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just going to give you all my list now and you can have a row three for it later.
1:06:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll probably talk about what was coming back.
1:06:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll go from 30 to one.
1:06:39
[SPEAKER_01]: number 29, Drillab Maloney, number 28, Dehonda, number 27, rising, Hayato, number 26, Titus Alexander, number 25, Francesco Akira, number 24, Uddo Ice, number 23, Susu Suzuki, number 22, Miyu Watanabe, number 21, Vanie, number 20, Kido Kiyo Miya, number 19, Dan Tamara, number 18,
1:07:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Sago Tetsu-Bana, number 17, Sarah Yamaoka, number 16, Sayaka Karara, number 15, Taboka, Naba, number 14, Ozawa, number 13, Dragon Bane, number 12, Takeshi, Masada, number 11, Merai, number 10, Kosei, Fujita, number 9, Dreamy, Matsunaga, number 8, Kyle Fletcher, number 7, Leon Slater, number 6, Sankha Akad,
1:07:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Akatsuki, number five, Dekiyo to Shiba, number four, Kevin Knight, number three, Oba Femi, number two, Kalam Numen, and Paul, can you guess who my number one is?
1:07:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, um, is it Saya Kamatansi?
1:07:42
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait
1:07:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you're an enzyme.
1:07:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I don't know if I could have put him on this, but after the chapter, the kind of old performance, I was like, he's going to go back and never.
1:08:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:08:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:08:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Now do I have Osawa to high at 14?
1:08:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I still feel like I have a big prospect.
1:08:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:08:10
[SPEAKER_03]: He is a big prospect.
1:08:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think he's kind of progressed a bit this year.
1:08:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:08:15
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think he's still going to make my list, but definitely not nearly as high as he was in the last couple years.
1:08:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I reserve the right to make modifications, but I don't think I'm going to make any big changes, but I might bump down those hours like 20 or something.
1:08:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would probably bump Dragon Bay in up a little bit.
1:08:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's going to make my top 10.
1:08:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
1:08:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so yeah, I was the only one that sort of sticks out to me.
1:08:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I would have even
1:08:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I didn't really put him even higher, a little higher that I was like, you know, so this hasn't been good this year.
1:08:54
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the problem.
1:08:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I just couldn't resist.
1:08:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's like, well, like I do a little, I do a mixture of potential and what their actual output is to.
1:09:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:09:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:09:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's very important.
1:09:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
1:09:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:09:08
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you can't just go all for like what have they done?
1:09:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Like,
1:09:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Like what they have done over the last year has to flow into it, but I think because it is like an under 40 let's think potential has to always like flow into it as well.
1:09:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well it's funny because I was going to leave him off this list anyway, but you may argue aged out this year.
1:09:31
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of wild that, like, Sega Touchyvana is still eligible for this.
1:09:35
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like he's been around for 20 years.
1:09:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:09:39
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like 26 or 27.
1:09:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's just because he looks older than, like he looks so much older than he actually is.
1:09:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I was always going to age out in October.
1:09:49
[SPEAKER_01]: This will be his last 30 under 30.
1:09:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Which, yeah.
1:09:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's probably kind of late.
1:09:55
[SPEAKER_01]: He was 26 when he debuted.
1:09:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he hasn't been around for that long, that's the thing like you, it's easy to forget based on the fact like, but he's done so far, like he really is still a really like fresh wrestling many ways.
1:10:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just a shame.
1:10:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I'm a little bit more forgiving like all the front moments as well, but it's like, you know, yeah, it's just that the top of the promotion.
1:10:20
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, for sure.
1:10:22
[SPEAKER_03]: So.
1:10:23
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my top 30 under 30 list and we'll see what the actual is.
1:10:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I suspect, I mean, who do you think is going to finish number one?
1:10:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Flatio?
1:10:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably.
1:10:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Flatio probably.
1:10:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:10:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's even going to get, like, it's probably going to get a fair amount of, like, first place, what I think it's going to win just off of being, like, on most people.
1:10:46
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, like, less, basically.
1:10:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Kevin Knight probably going to be,
1:10:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:10:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Where did the Cal Newman's gonna finish?
1:10:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he's obviously a porn rising figure.
1:10:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I honestly, but I think, like, with the people that vote, I think he could very, I think I think he's gonna end up at the very least in the top 10.
1:11:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he, and I think he has a good chart of making the top five.
1:11:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of who were, I mean, nameless.
1:11:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw their list and they had Kimia above Anzai, no.
1:11:18
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
1:11:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Talk about a guy that has just stalled out real fucking bad.
1:11:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, this should be kind of last year, because he turns dirty in July, which is pretty easy to think about.
1:11:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, again, it started super young, so that's why he's like still, that's why he's still on this.
1:11:55
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of not as wild as somebody like Azumi, who's still going to be on this list for another seven years.
1:12:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Sanke is only 20.
1:12:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 10 years, and probably will be on the list every year.
1:12:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Should be on the list.
1:12:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
1:12:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though she's just, you know, she and then, No, no, no.
1:12:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:12:19
[SPEAKER_01]: But because she's had those WrestleMania weekend matches, yeah.
1:12:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Get on the list, I think.
1:12:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no.
1:12:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I think even people that don't really follow coach, you know, that's think that's really good.
1:12:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:12:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think Junior Matsunak will get on the top 30 or is it going to be on a couple ballots from us?
1:12:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know.
1:12:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's making the top 40.
1:12:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I know that I think it might be a little bit disturbing because I think we represent a very, like we probably present a vast, like, I think generally people in the VW orbit probably represent the vast majority of zero ones for an ordinary audience.
1:12:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, but like I think even then I think that I don't think he's going to make the top for me.
1:13:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be happy if you did, but I don't think you know, it's funny because I only have one DDT guy on here, but how many like under 30 DDT guys right now are even good?
1:13:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, let me know if you had to.
1:13:15
[SPEAKER_03]: How old is Malins?
1:13:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, Mal, you have what's his face, the guy that just won the universal title,
1:13:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, now is 29.
1:13:24
[SPEAKER_01]: OK. Yeah.
1:13:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, now it's that I loadable.
1:13:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's out.
1:13:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's born in 1996.
1:13:29
[SPEAKER_03]: We literally just talked about this in the 30 and the 30 channel.
1:13:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, OK.
1:13:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I missed that.
1:13:36
[SPEAKER_01]: But I, so that's funny.
1:13:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's university?
1:13:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I sort of follow off on DDT after.
1:13:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Kazumi Sumi, OK, you got to.
1:13:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I blanked on his name, yeah.
1:13:46
[SPEAKER_01]: After Higuchi retired, I was just like,
1:13:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I haven't watched any DJs.
1:13:51
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good to your time.
1:13:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess about it after getting better sense, but I think Masada really does have that huge potential.
1:14:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Masada definitely belongs on there.
1:14:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think a window aged out right?
1:14:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
1:14:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, because he, uh, yeah, here's your last year.
1:14:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
1:14:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:14:13
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but I think Mao, I think it's probably going to make my list as well.
1:14:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:14:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Like again, like he's such a weird guy, he's just like, has such a big, like, ups and downs, basically.
1:14:23
[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
1:14:24
[SPEAKER_03]: But when he's on, he's fucking on.
1:14:26
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing.
1:14:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Sort of the problem with some of these Japanese younger Japanese guys.
1:14:31
[SPEAKER_01]: They all try this weird shit now.
1:14:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:14:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they have, um,
1:14:36
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm actually curious about a song where like the younger, like, new Japan guys are going to land, like, aside from like, column human.
1:14:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:14:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
1:14:44
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll get some votes.
1:14:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I vote for you, don't I?
1:14:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, he'll get vote.
1:14:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Kozif would read.
1:14:49
[SPEAKER_03]: That's probably going to get a bunch of votes as well.
1:14:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:14:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Think any of the rookie rookies, the younger ones, well, thank you.
1:14:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe yeah, I can a guy could see, also what's his guy would have, I found a terrible, why must a terrible with name right now, the guy that won the Young Lion Cup.
1:15:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you know, I was there.
1:15:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I literally like, oh, God.
1:15:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I was wearing his shirt.
1:15:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I bought it shirt at at the at the at the at the at 16 carat.
1:15:19
[SPEAKER_03]: So I've seen a motive.
1:15:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I say you I saw him win the young lion cup.
1:15:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw him at 16 carat and add ambition and I can't.
1:15:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Think of it's got them, they write, oh, all right, all right, okay, I just read to look at I'm really quick because it's going to bother me because I'm, okay, there's some person, person 17, the other, yeah, the other, oh yeah, could see you more a shimmer.
1:15:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, you know what?
1:15:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I think I'm going to throw him like I think I'm going to put like Like one of the like lowest spots.
1:15:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm going to throw his way.
1:15:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, because he's been really We've been really good from what I've seen like of him live basically.
1:15:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he and then he comes across really well life And he seems to be getting a good push in like WXW as well.
1:16:05
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so that is the 30 under 30 We'll wait and see.
1:16:08
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll go over the list when it actually comes out and see how
1:16:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Because, like, in his view, W lists, it's generally pretty good representation, because he'd get people voting, like, basically get people from like, like, somebody that votes and will have watched some, like, basically, every aspect of wrestling will get covered, because it's just not everybody watches everything, but enough people watch, like, enough stuff that you actually get, like, something that is broadly represented to essentially.
1:16:38
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, and then with that, we'll be back in a couple of weeks once, uh, no, and, uh, I'll just pan ramp things up.
1:16:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it might be a slow couple of weeks though because, uh, nothing's going on till the middle of June.
1:16:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not much.
1:16:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:16:52
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see if we can come up with something.
1:16:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:16:55
[SPEAKER_01]: See what happens.
1:16:56
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
1:16:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So, well, we got to know our tag leave.
1:16:58
[SPEAKER_01]: So until then, you're all the wrestling out there.
1:17:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.