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Reaction: Tarik Skubal is set for surgery. How do the Tigers move forward? · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger's Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network Detroit Tiger's podcast I'm curious secretly
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: with me as always as a man who sometimes has
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  Speaker 1: a nightcap but doesn't wear a nightcap. He is Cody Stavenhagan.
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: How are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: That was a corny one, but I am doing good.
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  Speaker 2: We are coming to you guys late at night, once
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  Speaker 2: again burning the midnight oil here, but unfortunately we have
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  Speaker 2: some pretty big news to discuss.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this would be one of This would be filed
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  Speaker 1: under the category of gotta talk about it, gotta talk
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  Speaker 1: about it Tigers. In case you guys missed this, which
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  Speaker 1: you probably did not, but in case you missed it,
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  Speaker 1: Trek Schouoble will be going on the il, will be
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  Speaker 1: having surgery on his throwing an elbow. Will hopefully not
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  Speaker 1: be that grand of an app of an absence from
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: from the Tigers. He's gonna there's a lot of medical
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: stuff that we're gonna try to get as precise as
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  Speaker 1: we can. But what used to be called bone spurs
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  Speaker 1: are now just called bodies, which is something I learned today.
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  Speaker 1: And he's gonna get those cleaned up in in his
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  Speaker 1: uh in his throwing elbow, something that uh, I guess
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  Speaker 1: we had kind of gotten hints at but didn't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: want to believe to the fullest extent. Or we're kind
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  Speaker 1: of given indications that it was okay as a lot
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  Speaker 1: of these injuries are, until it wasn't. And and now
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  Speaker 1: we know we we we got teased throughout today Cody
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  Speaker 1: where it's like gonna be scratched and he's gonna go
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  Speaker 1: in the aisle and it's like surgery and it's like
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  Speaker 1: all these like don't.
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  Speaker 2: Forget precautionary, precautionary move. Yeah, I was like that was
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  Speaker 2: that was not correct?
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  Speaker 1: That was that was not correct. So just like a
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  Speaker 1: lot a lot of stuff happened today. Obviously at America Park,
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  Speaker 1: Tiger's also lost five the four if you guys are
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  Speaker 1: interested in that, But we're gonna be mainly talking about
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  Speaker 1: Errek Schoogle here. Uh So just kind of fill a
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  Speaker 1: sin where you can Cody about like this information becoming
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  Speaker 1: public and then what what you know talking to Aja,
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  Speaker 1: talking to Terrek and and and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, where to even start, right? I mean, I think
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  Speaker 2: the number one thing is everyone wants to know how
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  Speaker 2: much time he's going to miss. And that's the one
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  Speaker 2: question we don't have a full answer to now doing
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  Speaker 2: a little research. I mean, the the loose bodies in
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  Speaker 2: the elbow fairly common injury for pictures. Hunter Green had
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  Speaker 2: surgery on this in spring training. Edwin Diaz just had
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  Speaker 2: surgery to repair a similar issue. I actually think bone
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  Speaker 2: spurs versus loose bodies might be somewhat different things. You
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  Speaker 2: can have a spur before it breaks off the elbow,
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  Speaker 2: and then one once it breaks off the elbow it's
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  Speaker 2: a loose body. So I've talked to one surgeon. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to talk to a different surgeon tomorrow. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: become an expert on this, which actually, like the one
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  Speaker 2: arm injury wasn't I wasn't too keen on I was
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  Speaker 2: kind of like loose bodies. I sort of know what
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  Speaker 2: that means, But what does that really mean anyway? A
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  Speaker 2: typical recovery timeline two to three months sounds like a
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  Speaker 2: good estimate. It could be shorter if they go in
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  Speaker 2: he's got two little chips and that's it now. It
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  Speaker 2: could also be longer if there is both bone spurs
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  Speaker 2: still attached that they have to clean up if there
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  Speaker 2: are big chunks, many loose bodies. And I think one
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  Speaker 2: of the lingering questions that I'm still kind of sorting
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  Speaker 2: out is like, Okay, what exactly causes this. It can
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  Speaker 2: be related to arthritis, it can just be a use injury.
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  Speaker 2: Throwing can chip away at that bone on the back
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  Speaker 2: of your elbow. There's also some linkage to like sometimes
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  Speaker 2: it's caused by just instability in the arm, which could
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  Speaker 2: foreshadow damage to a ligament. So there's a slight chance
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  Speaker 2: this could be worse here. The way it's being talked
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  Speaker 2: about right now sounds like it's gonna be pretty standard.
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  Speaker 2: But of course, the way it was being talked about
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  Speaker 2: twenty four hours ago, it wasn't an issue at all,
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  Speaker 2: So who knows. I think it's probably fair to say
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  Speaker 2: we're probably looking at the two to three month range,
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  Speaker 2: which is going to push Trek Scooble out to probably August,
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  Speaker 2: you know, at best, and then you gotta hope that
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  Speaker 2: that rehab assignment goes well he's able to get going.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big chunk of the season that you were
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  Speaker 2: losing your ace four the Tigers, I believe forty six
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  Speaker 2: and twenty three twenty four in Schooble starts since the
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  Speaker 2: start of twenty twenty four, and they are one game
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  Speaker 2: under five hundred in all other games during that time.
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  Speaker 2: They have been a different team when Trek Scoopble was
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  Speaker 2: not on the mound. And so that's there are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of ways we can go here Schoobl's free agency.
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  Speaker 2: But one of the things that stands out like this
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  Speaker 2: is not good for the Tigers as a team. They're
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  Speaker 2: already kind of battling floating around five hundred. You lose
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  Speaker 2: your guy in addition to having thirteen other players on
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  Speaker 2: the major league injured list. I'm not writing this team off.
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  Speaker 2: I think it really helps that they're in a weak division,
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  Speaker 2: but they are gonna have to revert to pitching chaos,
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  Speaker 2: to doing a lot of things that we kind of
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  Speaker 2: thought they'd moved past, right having a deeper, more star studded,
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  Speaker 2: more but robust roster. We're in early May. Man, it's
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  Speaker 2: like we're back at the tail into twenty four and
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna be scrapping to survive here for a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's so soon. I almost want to
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  Speaker 1: try to avoid as best we can, sort of like
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  Speaker 1: some of the bigger picture stuff because like it, we
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  Speaker 1: gotta gather our thoughts. Everybody's got to gather their thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on this, and you know, the surgery hasn't happened yet.
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  Speaker 1: Like like I'll tell you, like my mind wanders to
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  Speaker 1: something that Aj said about Casey Mayes prior to his
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  Speaker 1: Tommy John where it was like, we just don't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: know everything even on imaging until like you know, under
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  Speaker 1: the under the knife basically, and and so you hope
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  Speaker 1: that there's not anything more there just in general.
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  Speaker 2: Uh like.
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  Speaker 1: You say, like you know what caused it or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Like my very very brief dive into this uh injury
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  Speaker 1: ailment like circumstance for pictures kind of netted me. Like
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's just just something that dudes walk around
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  Speaker 1: with and it's.
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  Speaker 2: Like there's too yeah, it's just.
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  Speaker 1: Like whether it becomes a problem is sort of random,
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  Speaker 1: sort of like like a like like a virus essentially
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  Speaker 1: that like you just have, and it's like whether it
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  Speaker 1: manifests itself into something else is kind of like individualistic
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  Speaker 1: and like all these other circumstances, like there's no moment
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  Speaker 1: right that this like happened, Like it's just in a
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  Speaker 1: it's just something that has occurred within his throwing arm,
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  Speaker 1: and I guess he'd been dealing with for a second,
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  Speaker 1: which is something that we learned and sometimes guys just
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  Speaker 1: pitched through it. And it looks like it seems like
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  Speaker 1: he has tried to pitch through it for even work
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  Speaker 1: through it, I guess, not even necessarily pitched through it
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  Speaker 1: for for a while now, and it just became like
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  Speaker 1: he had one too many issues in his build up
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  Speaker 1: between starts, and that was what was the motivation behind
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  Speaker 1: kind of getting this checked out, being that it's early May,
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  Speaker 1: being that it in theory should not be a season
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  Speaker 1: ending injury. Right. Is that kind of a good way
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  Speaker 1: to go about the mindset there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the more interesting things Trek Scoople said
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  Speaker 2: was like he didn't actually say exactly when this started
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  Speaker 2: and he was asked that and it he almost said like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. It sounds like maybe dating to the
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  Speaker 2: off season something he had just kind of noticed and
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  Speaker 2: mind standing. You know, you get these loose bodies, A
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  Speaker 2: lot of pictures have them, Oh Kieren, you might have
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  Speaker 2: them from playing softball and you just don't know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: they're little chips don't cause anything. But if it becomes
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  Speaker 2: a bigger chip, and I believe it can grow, right,
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  Speaker 2: it grows like calcium or something. As it's just sitting there,
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  Speaker 2: it can become a little more disruptive. And if that
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  Speaker 2: gets lodged in the wrong place in your arm. You know,
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  Speaker 2: that's why a J. Hinch and Terry views the phrase
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  Speaker 2: like walking up Suddenly you can't move that joint because
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  Speaker 2: you got something blocking it. You can't have your full
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  Speaker 2: range of motion or that full flexion. That's something that
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  Speaker 2: can happen. That's why you saw Terrek like massaging it.
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  Speaker 2: Dan Petrie on the radio said he had this during
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  Speaker 2: his playing career. He would just like massage it out,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and it was good. And Trek said like
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  Speaker 2: he had been doing that in other instances, just the
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  Speaker 2: cameras didn't catch it, like they kind of caught that
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  Speaker 2: little shake in Atlanta. And it does sound like whatever
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  Speaker 2: happened in his catch play on Sunday, you know, he
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  Speaker 2: said it felt different, like it felt worse. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know exactly what that means, but you know, he
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  Speaker 2: thought it was getting better. They're definitely people out there like, well,
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  Speaker 2: why didn't he take care of this a long time ago,
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  Speaker 2: and look, that's always a fair criticism. It sounds like
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  Speaker 2: he thought it was minor, thought he could pitch through it.
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  Speaker 2: He said there would even be two weeks at a
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  Speaker 2: time he felt nothing, and then it would come back.
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  Speaker 2: And at least the surgeon I talked to, like, that's
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  Speaker 2: not really uncommon at all with these kind of bone
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  Speaker 2: chip type injuries. That's just how it works. But it
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  Speaker 2: obviously can't get to a point where it's just too
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  Speaker 2: much to pitch through.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that part, to me feels like pretty Monday morning
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  Speaker 1: quarterback ye where it's like if this is not a
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  Speaker 1: constant ailment on you, just something that kind of happens
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  Speaker 1: and you lock and you chalk it up to something
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  Speaker 1: that is just sort of like baked in or like
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  Speaker 1: the cost of doing business or whatever like it. Like
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  Speaker 1: it feels like a little bit like retrospective. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: definitely in November the first time that you feel like
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  Speaker 1: a little elbow thing like going nder in the night,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it just feels like
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  Speaker 1: a little it feels like a little much to me.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll get to some of the other circumstances here
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  Speaker 1: in a second. But first we got to take a
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  Speaker 1: quick break. But after after the break, I kind of
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  Speaker 1: broke down some. You know where the pressure is going
• 10:14
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• 11:23
  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, you know, like obviously Schooble's
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: impact on this team doesn't have to be explained, although
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: you did, you know, just based on the record, just
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: like what he means to the Tigers team over the
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: past couple of years, especially so in his absence, obviously
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be heightened pressure and like more emphasis on
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: other aspects of the team that like, in order for
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: the Tigers to maintain the same goal, because that's the
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: whole point. Like, if it's not gonna be a season
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: ending injury, the goal should relatively remain the same. Still
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: win your division, still get into the postseason, still like
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: make a push to the playoffs, right especially we think August, like, oh,
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: that is a long time from now, and it is.
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: But there's still also a lot of season the past
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: two years, Tigers Baseball, I've told us there's a lot
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: that could happen after the trade deadline, all right, in
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: an MLB regular season. So I kind of compile the
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: lists and it's not in order, it's just the order
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: that I thought them, so, like, I don't want this
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: to be like a power rankings, but I compile the
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: list of where that pressure is going to be felt more.
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  Speaker 1: And the first thing that and we haven't really gotten
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: a chance to talk about this, and I don't want
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: to go in depth on it right now, but it
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: is something that ought to be mentioned, and that's team defense,
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: which is a clear weakness of this Tigers team if
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: you look at most metrics and I'll just point out
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  Speaker 1: one second to last in the league and outs above
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: average Cody at coming into today at minus fourteen. Uh So, like,
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: if you're not gonna have the back to back cy
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: Young winner, you're gonna have to play better defense because
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: you know that guy tends to get people out, you
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, That's just how it works. And
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to improve defensively. And obviously maybe
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: the health is part of that too, with Parker Metow's
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: injury as well. Uh from Vervaldez, it's now your staff.
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  Speaker 1: That's arguably partially why you were brought in here with
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: the contract that you were brought in and Terry Worth
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: thinking out, you know a couple of years from now,
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  Speaker 1: but now it's your staff. You have to be the
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: guy you know. With in Schoolbl's absence, I would say
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: the starting pitchers that are injured, so Casey Miyes, Troy Melton,
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: Justin Merlander a little bit of pressure. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: they need to be rushed back, but pressure to get
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: it right. I think is fair to say about their
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: rehabs and getting them back to form because they are
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: now needed literally more than ever this year. Jack Flarerity,
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: we talked about Jack Flaherty, like Jack Flarity's got to
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: be the close to the best version of Jack Flaherty
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: in order for this team to maintain on some sort
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: of trajectory, an interesting one in my opinion. Ken mcgonagal.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: One could argue that Kevin mcgonagal is now kind of
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: like the face of the team in terms of like,
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: like what people think of the Tigers. He's had had
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: such a great start to his rookie year, Like with
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Terror Schoolbls being absent, people are going to think of
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: Tigers Kevin McGonagall so like as if more had to
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: be put on his plate. I think this is one
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: of those kind of like low key things that could
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: be put on his plate. And then obviously Scott Harris,
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: AJ Hinch, Chris Fedder. A lot of pressure on those
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: guys to formulate some sort of plan that is, you know,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: whether it's pitching chaos, whether it's like a Ti Madden thing,
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: which we'll talk about, like like formulate some sort of
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: plan that's gonna kind of get them through the next
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: two to three months and still be a viable championship contender,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: whether that's division championship, Al championship, World Series championship, whatever
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  Speaker 1: like that. Obviously, there's a lot of pressure on there.
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  Speaker 1: So that's kind of like a quick list that I
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  Speaker 1: put together. Cody, you can take that in kind of
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: whatever direction you wish.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I certainly think those are all valid points. We
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: can just start with the team defense. One thing that's
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: been annoying me the past few days is kind of
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: hearing some people be like, well, you know, you just
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: can't read too much into defensive metrics, especially in small samples,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: and like that is true, Like you know AJ and
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Dan Diggerson, you know Torqus defensive metrics. You can just
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: throw some of that out because he's been dinged for
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: plays where the pitcher hasn't covered first, and that like
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: that's somewhat true. With Torq. I don't think he's been
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: as bad as the met like negative six or whatever
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  Speaker 2: might suggest. But we've all watched these games. The Tigers
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: have not been playing good defense. I don't care what
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: the score book says or what the metrics says, Like
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: my eyes tell me this. This team has not been
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: playing clean baseball. And that's certainly a problem. And you're
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: right with Parker Meadows on the IL, with Javier Bayas
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: on the IL. The Tigers we hoped would hit. We
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: hope they would take a step forward. We hope they
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: would do some of the things they've done offensively, like
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: have the best lowest chase rate in the American League,
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  Speaker 2: Like that's been huge. But we really believe the strength
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: would be starting pitching and some defense, particularly outfield defense.
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  Speaker 2: I was never very bullish on the infield defense, but
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: the outfield defense. And you don't have either of your
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: top two center fielders Riley green Is, I think, maybe
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: looking a little better than last year, but you know,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I mean a tough ball in the weird sky and
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: empty stands, but win Sole Perez let a ball fall
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: on right field today, and like this, you're supposed to
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  Speaker 2: catch a high percentage of fly balls. I believe Tigers
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  Speaker 2: are not field but like crazy point and he has
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  Speaker 2: unfortunately reminded why they have actively avoided playing him in
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  Speaker 2: the field for a long time. That's something that's gonna
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: have to clean up. And yeah, you just lost not
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: only your best pitcher, but your best strikeout starting pitcher
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  Speaker 2: in Derek Scoogle. There are gonna be some more balls
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  Speaker 2: in play you can do, you know. In twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 2: one of the fascinating things was, I believe the Tigers
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: had the lowest opponents babbit in the league in August
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: and September. Then when they went thirty one and eleven,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: they were having incredible luck on balls in play, And
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: some of that might have been a little more scientific.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: They were throwing to of sinkers, getting a lot of
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: weak balls on the ground. But like, at least for
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks and perhaps far beyond that,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: you're probably gonna have more balls in play, and you're
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: gonna need a little bit of good luck, and you're
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: gonna need so much better defense if you want to
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: kind of survive this stretch. So I think that is
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: a huge, really important point. Regardless of what any metrics say,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: regardless of what goes down as an air or what
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: goes down in a base hit, you got to clean
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: some things up. And you're right on McGonagall too, Like
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: it's maybe not fair to call a rookie like the
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: face of everything and say like, hey, there's more pressure
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: on you. But this guy has the biggest contract on
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the team. Now, you know, he's guaranteed more money than
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Hovey Baiaz and Trek Scouble and from Ravaldez. They gave
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: you one hundred and fifty mil. And he has exceeded
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: all expectations. And unfortunately it's now kind of like dangn well,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: you need this kid to keep it up. Because we talked,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: you know, the offensive profile. One of this reasons the
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: reasons you feel a little bit better about the offense
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: and the offensive team numbers as a whole look better,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: especially in terms of chase, in terms of contact swing decisions.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Big part of that is having Kevin McGonagall at the
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: top of your order. And I don't know if he's
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: going to hit above three hundred all year, Like I
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: think a lot of things are gonna protect him from
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: having some deep prolonged slump, but like to expect him
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: to continue to be like a top five player in
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. I don't know if that's realistic. It's
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: probably not fair to expect that, but damn the Tigers
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: kind of need it given the state of the rest
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: of the roster, and also your point about the coaching
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: staff and Scott Harris, like this is where they're at.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: We'll see how quickly Myze gets back, Verlander gets back,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Troy Melton gets back. But for at least a little
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: bit of a stretch here, man aj Hinch said it
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: like pitching chaos. It's going to be a necessity. You know,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: he used the word necessity. They are having to reach
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: deep into that bag and figure out just kind of
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: how to get through game by game because suddenly you're
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: down here you have three starting pitchers. It does remind
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: me of twenty twenty four after the trade deadline, was
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: like who is going to pitch? And they answered that
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: in the most creative and successful fashion anyone could have imagined.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: But now it's like, who is going to pitch one
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: of those starters? Jack Flair is struggling mightily. You have
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Fromber and you have cater Montero fromber At the time
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: seemed like this luxury, this move that was going to
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: keep you, push you over the top, And now it
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: feels like, man, this guy's your life. Raft Like this guy,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: this guy's kind of all you got. You need him
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: to get you seven every time out, which is also
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: a heavy expectation. So yeah, that things are dialed up
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: for everybody a little bit in this stretch again helps
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: that the Tigers are in a weak division. If they
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: can do enough to stay afloat until some of these
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: guys get back, even August and September, in theory, you
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: get school back, you might even get Jackson job. They
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: can still be okay. But it's also fair to be worried,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: like you don't want to turn this thing into a
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: free fall.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: You guys have heard me use this term before, But
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: like the word that's going to be bouncing around my
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: head a lot is mediocre. You're gonna need a lot
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: of guys to perform mediocre, like level baseball pitching, hitting, whatever,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: because bad. Yeah, like medocre is really just like average
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, That's like we use it as a
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: curse word, but it's really just like average. So if
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: you can have dudes like kind of outperform what you
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: expect and become like mediocre contributors, even if it's in
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: like a small stable size like that will do that
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: will have a much grander impact than than than you
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: would think. Right. So, Like like you're like some of
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: these pitching decisions they make, You're just gonna sometimes you're
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: just gonna need a mediocre start, you know what I mean.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: With all these injuries're just gonna need a mediocre star
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: to kind of keep you afloat and string some of
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: those together. Sky Harre's gonna try to stack good baseball
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: moves on top stack some mediocre ones, and you'll probably
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: be okay to in this instance, you know what I
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: mean That to be good, it's gotta be mediocre. Uh? Which?
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Which? Which? You know you brought up the offense, Cody.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I did want to talk about the offense here for
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: a second because there are a couple things that are
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: interesting and we haven't seen like the level of production
• 22:10
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• 22:12
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  Speaker 1: Fun fact about Carry Carpenter. He is tied. There's about
• 24:10
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• 24:14
  Speaker 1: guys with two career home runs against Bayo, and Carpenter
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: is one of them. He also has two walks in
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: his career against Bayo, so sees the ball well is
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the point here, And despite the fact that Carry Carpenter,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I think is fair to say we have not seen
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the best version of Kerry Carpenter thus far this season, Cody,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the Tigers in the American League are fourth in runs.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I'm just looking. I'm just you know, pulling up third
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and hits. Let's go home runs. They're probably gonna they're
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: gonna be lower. They're middle of the packing home runs.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: The offense is fine, and a lot of metrics and
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: you mentioned some of the more advanced ones, which because
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: like I thought, like, okay, well the offense has really
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: got to step up, you know, blah blah blah. That
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: was just my first thought when the School injury happens.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: And then you look at the numbers and it's like, well,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: they're actually doing a lot of good. It's not necessarily
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: a step up, but there are specific instances where you
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: want to see more from guys, and Carry Carpenter is
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: one of them. And even like Colt Keith, you know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: who were still waiting for his first home run of
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the season, is like these are the like the kind
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: of like small things that when a like a big
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: thing like a schoobl injury happens, that we are going
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: to like start clinging to in order to try to
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: see if this team can survive and you know even
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: sort of like maintain to a certain level, you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: an injury like school. Bl So so that's my that's
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: my pick for Daily Dinger, Carry Carpenter, And actually, I
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: think maybe this is a good way to transition. A
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: lot happened today. You have the early game start and
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: then obviously at delay and the school bl news and
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: like all this stuff, and obviously, as a they lost
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: by the four a little bit of a comeback, but
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: obviously not enough vibes. What kind of vibes are we
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: dealing with here, Cody, because it had to be a
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: weird one. It had to be a weird one.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a tough one. Man. It's a little heavy,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I think is a good word for it. I think
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: there's just kind of a heaviness over everything today. And
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: also I wrote this on the Athletic but this clubhouse
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: is starting to feel a little bit like a ghost
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: town just with all the guys gone. And it's funny
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: because there's still twenty six players active and on the roster,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: so there are plenty of guys in there. But you know,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: you look around Hobby Bys, he ain't here right now,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Parker Meadows, he ain't here right now. I don't know
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: if scoobl is gonna stay in Detroit or end up
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: going to Lakeland or elsewhere, but there have been some
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: guys that you just expect to see and then oh wait,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: they're not actually in the building, or if they are,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: they're back in the training room. And some of the
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: more prominent faces. And when you add Scooble to that list, man,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: it just really compounds. Yeah, I think everyone in the
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: building felt it a little bit today.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly understandable. But you know, like with everything else,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: this is sports, there's the next man up stuff, and
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: like you know, somebody gets hurt, there's literally a next
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: man up, and whether they perform well, it's different story.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: But ty Madden five innings, seven strikeouts, like you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: like I don't, that's that's kind of what I'm thinking about,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Like mediocre, can you put there? He was better than
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: mediocre today, but like he put together some some some
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: mediocres outings and and like if there's this not silver lining,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: but there's something to cling to that was positive today.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: It's like ty Madden comes up and you know, works fastball, cutter,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you know, sinker like whatever. Like it. It looked good today.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: For forever it's worth, it looked good today. So if
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: there's some hope.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Cause it's gonna take more of that again, think back
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to twenty four when Sean gum Through and Brant Herder
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: and Bo Brisky and gosh, who else have I already
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: forgotten a lot of Brendan Hanafy, Like all these guys
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: just pitched out of their minds you're you're gonna need
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: a little bit more of that, and ty maddened off
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: to a good start, kind of fitting. This was his
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: first time in the Major League since the Alds, the
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four Alds. Fitting that kind of when the
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: team is gonna have to return to a little bit
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: of pitching chaos, ty madd in his back because ty
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Madden had some nice outings in that stretch run and
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: there's probably the best I'd ever seen him man a
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: thirty eight percent wiff rate on his cutter, eleven whiffs
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: generated overall twenty nine percent with rate like he's been
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: a good pitcher, but missing bats at that level has
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: never really been his mo and he hadn't been off
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: to a terrific start in Toledo. So we'll see if
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: that was a flash in the pan or if he
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: if he found something, but it was certainly an encouraging outing.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, again, cling to those kind of things because on
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: a day like today, not a lot of went right,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: but you can at least say, like ty Madden, maybe
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: there's something there, you know, one of those guys that
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: we've been kind of waiting for. All Right, there's obviously
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: like a lot more to say and speculate on, and
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: we're gonna save that for another episode when we have
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: some time to literally sleep on this, because a lot
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: happened today, and we'll and we'll recap the Red Sox
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: series in general on Thursday as well, and again more
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: schoolble thoughts later in the week, but we wanted to
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: get some initial thoughts here tonight for you guys. And look,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: if you if you have some strong feelings about it,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: which I'm sure you do at Cody Stapenhagen act here
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and on his course decicely at Tiger Territory, underscore you.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: No no hold egg because every now that you told
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: them to act me, they're all just gonna at me, like,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: why don't the Tigers offer Schooble one year forty million?
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe they can, like, maybe they should. We'll save the
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: in depth stuff for later. Did the chances of him
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: like coming back to the Tigers increase with this? My
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: answer right now tonight is, you know what, I don't know.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Probably seems a little less likely than it did before.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: There's still a chance this dude could get paid pretty
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: big time. I think some of it depends on how
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: the surgery goes, how the recovery goes how he comes back.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I'll just say, if I were Scott Boris and the
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Tigers offered me forty five million one year tomorrow, I'd
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: probably say no. I'd probably say we're gonna see how
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: things play out, because someone still might still might want
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: to pay three hundred or so million, and if they don't,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: someone might want to give us forty six million next year.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: That's how I feel about it right now. But there's
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: certainly a lot of unknown a lot of wrinkles, and
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: maybe one of those reasons that you never say never.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Never say never, and it's okay to say I don't know,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: and that's that's and that's how we're gonna end it
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: here on another night cap of Tiger Territory. So for
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Cody Stavenhagen, I'm Karen Steckley. Everybody, have a great knight