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Yoreh Deah 135:10-13. Wine: Using and Kashering Dishes From Non-Kosher Wine · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK, thank you. OK, we're going to start with
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  KUF Lamerhei, NASA and we're doing Siif Yudh.
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  OK, so you have a cleave that you took from a non Jew.
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  So there's white, there was histaminem in there, potentially
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  in there and now you want to use it for yourself.
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  That's what we're discussing. Everything so far we're assuming
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  was cold. So you had Klee or sarikh, mili
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  viroi, sarikh, Shiyosif or Ukhayotsebo.
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  Alpiev, Keane gaddafa, Kadeshiya Alpiev.
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  It's important that in order to be to kashur it whenever you
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  need to, with eeroi mili viroi, you fill it up for 24 hours
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  three times with water. The entire Klee must be soaking
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  in water because the IT may may have been holding you ain't NASA
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  anywhere in that clay. It may have been full.
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  So it needs to be sitting there with water soaking filled up to
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  the very tippy top and basically to the top of the top of the
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  rim, the top of the lip of the clay.
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  But here you have a it's not a solid clay, It's not metal.
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  It's on a wood. It's or it's leather, so the
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  only way to keep a liquid it's covered to the top is if you add
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  a little bit to it so that it stays.
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  You can like lie down on the floor and it'll stay with liquid
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  going over the opening. Kadeshiyalua Mayima peeve.
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  Oh, you have khanu. I'll peeve, OK, Or you, you fold
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  it over. I think he's saying you're doing
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  it twice. You fold it over.
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  Well, you can fold it over on itself.
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  So in a way that it's being soaked with water always on from
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  the inside and then it's folded inward so that it's also being
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  covered all the way to the top of the lip.
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  That is the. 10 means not to turn it, not to turn the whole
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  thing over, only to. So I'm not sure if it's
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  inverting it or you first do the inside completely for three days
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  and then you let it lean over into another CLI for another
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  three days. I'm not sure what he means.
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  By. Right into another CLI sounds
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  like. Sounds like you're putting it
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  into another CLI and it sounds like you don't have to do the
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  entire Klee all at once. We had this before when you
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  kasher calium. You don't have to kasher the
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  entire Klee all at once if you can't.
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  So, but by Tavila's calium, the entire thing has to be done at
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  once. So I think that's what he's
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  saying. OK, let's go on.
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  You'd all of call Makomsha Marnout sriksha.
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  OK, we had this before a few times.
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  And if you want to kosher it and you need to do shikshak, in
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  other words, it's not deeply embedded, it's not
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  Machhnisilikiyum, it's not Zephyr, it's not a case or you
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  have to do Mileviuri. It was just there was wine in
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  there for an hour. It was by Anessa, but the it's a
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  metal cleave. All you have to do is just rinse
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  it out. We said, but what does it mean
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  to rinse out? It doesn't mean empty it.
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  It doesn't mean to run it under the sink once.
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  It means you fill it up with with, with the you fill it up
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  with some water. You don't have to fill it up top
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  with water to the tippy top, but you have to put in some water in
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  there or rinse it with a hose or a faucet and then you shake it.
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  Basically you just need to have some water in there so that
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  you're rinsing it out. You're shaking it out so that
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  it's being rinsed from the sink, whatever it is.
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  So water is touching all of the walls of the inside of the Cle,
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  the top of the Cle, and everything is getting rinsed
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  out. A normal rinse, but a good
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  rinse. You don't have to scrub it with
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  with wool or a sponge. You rinse it out and you spill
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  out the water and then you do that again.
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  So I mean, you do this, it means, right?
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  It's a different definition of shisha for making it Nisa kayan.
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  When you have to make for a goi or a Jew to make Nisa Kaya in
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  the raisa, you have to shake the bottle with kavana that it's
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  lavada Zara. Or you put your hand in there
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  and you give a little jiggle with your fingers.
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  Now your hand and you're shaking the wine from the inside.
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  Le shame of odezara. That's the shiksha that we've
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  been learning about until recently.
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  I don't want to get confused. And this is a completely
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  different shiksha. So this is just rinsing the
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  bottle, but you have to do it with three times.
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  OK, hang on the mine. Now you need to do this cleaning
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  business with water of a lobby. Yayne afila rotela Soraya shima
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  shakshay. You can't be cleaning it with
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  wine. That's the at least la khakila
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  you cannot be. We don't want to use wine.
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  Wine is the thing we're trying to get rid of and wine is the
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  thing that's user and it's and we're talking about yain, which
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  is Oser bakkoshu. And this is more of a problem
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  for the Shokanara to use wine because it's always Oser Bakoshu
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  and it's you want to use and it's doesn't necessarily weaken
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  the flavor. Whatever it is, we don't want to
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  use wine. Allah is you want to use water,
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  right? Even if you want to rinse it
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  with water with wine. So obviously that first initial
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  wine that you're rinsing it with it sure is going to be Asur.
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  But it's Osur Bakulshu. It's isser Hana bimin bimino,
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  right? That's in the din of the so like
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  a Hilo. We don't use wine.
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  OK, Vyesh, the Rama rights, right?
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  Even if even if your intention is, in other words, we're going
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  to keep, we're going to keep reading this and you'll see if
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  your intention is to use water to drink from it, it might not
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  be so terrible. Maybe it's so la khatila,
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  whatever, EMA violina. So la khatila, we're going to
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  get to that if we keep reading. That's so important about bakias
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  in general, is that you can't learn anything by Eon if you
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  don't read and know the whole picture.
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  So, but even if your purpose is to rinse it with wine and you
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  know that the first rinse of wine, you, you, you're doing it
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  to clean it, but it's, it's going to be aser because it's
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  aser Bhamashahu right away. But the second wine, the second
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  time you fill it up with wine, OK, maybe that'll be mutton, but
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  we don't do that like Akhila. OK, the Asian Machilium.
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  Did you have it? And but you, you can do it bidi
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  evit. In other words, like Akhila, you
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  want to only clean it with water, Bidi evit you could do it
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  with with wine. Certainly according to the to
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  the Lipsacadarama by Christian wine.
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  So OK, Also many point out that water cleans better.
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  That could also be a reason why it could be that water cleans
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  better than wine. OK, OK.
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  Anything we want to point out over here real quick?
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  Yeah, just the shock points out one opinion says it's a mutter
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  of like Akhila once you do it with wine, but he says that only
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  means this is an interesting. I just actually a reason I
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  mention this. It's just sometimes something is
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  us or to do like Akhila and it's only a mutter bedi of it.
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  But then once it already happened and it's in front of
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  you, it's appropriate to use the expression.
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  Well, now it's 100% mutter. It's 100% mutter like Khatila,
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  because I already Betty of it happened.
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  In other words, you don't have to now be extra Machmer that you
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  have, you know, in the case of Betty of it and then and spill
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  out the wine. So his point is over here.
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  Once it's done, OK, you're allowed to drink it.
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  You're allowed to drink it. I think you would need to look
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  at maybe you'd have to still Kasha like Khila.
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  But his point is you're allowed to drink it.
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  Not the one you used to clean it.
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  No, no, no, no, not the one you used to clean it.
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  It's a question according to the Rama.
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  Maybe you're allowed to bid the of it because it's only ulcer
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  bish. It depends if it's if it's
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  shishim or not. It depends if it's shishim
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  because the yields it's only in a search deal.
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  OK, I don't want to digress too long, so let's go on to your
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  bet. Okay, another important you have
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  a few important scene from over here call Malcolm Shit, sorry,
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  sorry, Maloto mime, I'll call get Dota.
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  We are near him both a stream by arba 88 now.
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  So we some of this is a little bit of a review because now he's
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  going explaining a little bit more in detail, which we already
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  saw in brief. So now you, if you want, if
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  there's a halacha when you need to do iri Emilio V iri.
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  So you have to fill it up with water, right?
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  Let's of heal. We want to do this with water.
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  And you fill it up to the top where it's overflowing.
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  So that just like it was sit, it could be, it could have been
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  sitting with wine to the top. So it needs to be filled with
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  water to the very top. And you don't have to, as far as
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  I know, you do not have to create an extra lid, which is
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  not this is not by this is not a case of Hagala when you want to
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  kasha the own Klee. This is a case of Mileviri for
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  how it was being used. So you just have to have it so
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  that it's it's basically it's filled to the top and
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  overflowing. But you don't have to create an
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  extra lip, but you know some of the water will evaporate.
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  About. Yeah, well, 24 hours.
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  OK. It depends how hot it is.
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  I don't think you have to worry about evaporation for one day.
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  Good question. I don't know.
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  I didn't see anyone discuss it, but I didn't see anyone discuss
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  it either. But I think it's a double push
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  it when you're doing this, it must be on a flat surface
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  because otherwise, by definition, it will not be
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  covering the lid if it's not an angle, if the table slanted.
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  OK, So it must be a full 24 hours as we said.
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  And again, we're going to see this again at the end.
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  If you did not have a full 24 hours, does it count for
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  anything? OK, you know what, we're going
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  to read that when we get to the end.
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  We'll have a sofa. Stupid three.
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  Days in a row. So we're going, we're going to
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  see. But I'll tell you, you asked, it
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  does not have to be 3 days in a row.
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  It can be 24 hours, take a break for a few hours and then another
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  24 hours and another 24 hours. It could be 28 hours and 28
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  hours and 28 hours. But every period must be a
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  minimum of 24 hours. And leaving it longer doesn't
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  count for more until you change the because it's the new clock
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  only starts after you change the water.
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  Look, you pour it out after 24 hours, the hamayim mutarium now.
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  So the Shokanak writes the water that you use to to to imaxure
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  it. The purpose of why you put the
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  water there is to cosure it. It wasn't to be mevatal and
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  isser bleus isser. It was there to clean Mamela
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  while I was sitting there for 24 hours.
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  It absorbed a little bit of the ISR.
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  We're going to assume it's a Tam Kalush.
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  That's not Osur. It's it's less than shishim.
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  Maybe it's only mavlia takde klipa this Bottom line, the
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  water is 100% mutter to drink. OK.
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  However, the Rama rights, the Ish Austrian Hamaim, but some
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  say the water is asurd because it has a den of Ain Mvatlin
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  isser la Khakila. Since you know what you're
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  doing, the water that wasn't just put there by mistake.
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  Someone else put it there. It fell into there.
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  He didn't realize what the Klee was.
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  You put it there on purpose. You did it to me moxter it, but
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  you put it there on purpose. So therefore he doesn't consider
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  this. He considers this a problem of
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  Ain Mvatlin isser la Khakila. So therefore you're not allowed
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  to drink this water. You have to spill it out.
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  OK, what happens if it was not a full 24 hours?
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  It was let's say 2323 1/2 hours. So the the Shah quotes the rush
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  is Mako, but the halacha is pretty clear according to the
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  Sholkhanora and the Shah, that it doesn't help if you don't
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  have a full 24 hours, it doesn't work.
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  And and so therefore, if you're not sure if it's 24 hours, leave
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  it for longer until you're sure. OK, Do this again for 24 hours,
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  and the third time for 24 hours, each one with a new set of
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  water. It doesn't matter that it wasn't
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  3-3 days in a row, but if you just leave, left it in there for
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  24 hours, for 72 hours, electrically it only counts as
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  24 hours because you need to change the water.
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  Let's say you poured it out at the 23 hour mark or the 12 hour
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  mark and then what happens? LO Allah otama Mayim, that water
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  didn't count for nothing. You have to start all over, fill
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  it up with new water, a new time clock for another 24 hours.
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  Now the posts can point out there is the opinion of the
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  Rashba who says you're allowed to add.
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  You can allow to combine 2, two days, three days, whatever it
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  is, if you're missing 12 hours or one hour from one day.
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  So pour in new water and the water spilled.
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  Something happened and your kid, when someone came home and then
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  realized what you were doing, he used the water to wash his hands
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  or to drink from it, whatever it is.
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  And then you told him what you're clash during the water.
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  It wasn't 24 hours according to the rush, but you just pour in,
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  fill it up with water again for the hours that you were missing,
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  whether it was 1612, whatever your the case might be.
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  And then you spill it out and then fill it up.
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  And then that'll count as 24 hours as one day.
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  And then you fill it up for another 24 hours and another 24
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  hours. And the taz is Mikkel Bidyevid,
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  but it's pretty clear from Michel Hanarak and the Shah that
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  that's not the halacha. Halacha is if it's not a full 24
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  hours, you have to start all over again.
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  There's no makeups you can't add later on.
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  And the water was in there less than 24 hours.
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  Did Rama stay there? It doesn't count for anything,
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  no. I'm saying what about using the
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  water? Using the water, use the water.
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  Well, the water is usser. What do you mean?
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  It's Amavali Nisela Kafila 24 hours.
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  I think if there's if there could be bleus in there.
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  It doesn't have to be Kavish Comabushal.
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  Depends on the case. Maybe depends on the case.
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  OK, let's go on the The shock says you can even spread out the
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  days la catrilla. Not only is it allowed, you're
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  allowed to la catrilla if that's what you want to do.
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  OK. And the shock points out, it
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  seems to be that we hold it needs to be a full 24 hours
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  straight because the water doesn't do anything.
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  It's not like it just needs one hour each day.
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  It needs a full 24 hours at one time in order to to pull out
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  enough effectively, right? I'm not going to give an
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  example, but many times we know that sometimes if you do
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  something not enough times it doesn't.
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  Here I'll give a simple example. Let's say you need to exercise
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  and you need, let's just say you need 30 minutes of cardio
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  aerobic aerobic exercise. So if you do 5 minutes a day,
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  it's never going to be the same as 30 minutes at one time,
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  whatever. A lot of things like that.
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  OK, how got main mellah kazakin shiyesh bahen shlish mellah
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  shneh shlishi mahim. Well, ilium mehmah 8 kamali
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  shlocha yamim. So the Rama has a case where you
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  don't. I have Rama says there's a case
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  where you don't have to have 72 hours.
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  All you need is a one time 24 hours if you're not using
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  regular water, but you're using something really strong.
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  So the only case I believe that's mentioned in the Gemara
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  is sere and Murias and nothing else like the fish brine.
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  And it's I don't know exactly how you categorize the strength
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  of that saltiness, but the the Rishonium is a Mahloka Rishonium
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  if you can use Mehmela salt water with concentrated, very
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  concentrated salt, if that works or not.
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  The Kumar talks about sere muryas, rishoni Mahloka, if you
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  can use salt. So the shot from the Shulkhanar
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  is you can't, it must be sere only.
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  And but the Romas says no, your plastic ones like the Rishonian
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  that says you're allowed to use salt water.
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  And then it's a Mahlokat in the Girsa little bit Rishonium and
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  nachronium. How many parts salt?
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  So the Rama we just saw, that's what in our version of the tour
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  is you need one part salt, right?
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  It goes by volume, one part salt and two parts water.
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  But the Shah says, but our version of the Gemara that it's
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  compared to, again, it's lavdafka, the same thing.
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  One is by koshering to pull out wine. 1 is about doing ebud on
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  Hilko Shabbos. It's lavdafka the same but let's
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  but there isn't a comparison by one of the rashonium.
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  I think the Rama and the tour that's similar to Shabbos.
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  Again if it's literal or not. Anyways, R Gamara says 2 parts
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  salt, so the shock holds two parts salt.
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  OK, fine, let's go on. And yeah, anyway, so whatever,
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  it's how many parts salt. So let's go on.
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  OK, now this is an important topic we touched upon whenever
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  you have to be Kash or something.
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  We said the Milo Y VI right? OK, so or OK, well, right now
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  the question is, so you have to do it.
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  OK, let's say you didn't caution it yet.
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  And now even if it's a substance that the worst case scenario,
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  it's a it's a bottle, wine bottle barrel, that's Machniso
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  lequil and it was used for wine or potentially used for wine.
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  We'll see. So now and now you put your your
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  liquid in there. OK, you put your liquid in
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  there, whether it's water or whiskey, whatever the issue is.
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  So the halaqa says Analbulaya, you only have to worry about or
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  wine. You put wine in there, you only
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  have to worry about. Actually, it could be the only
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  issue is wine and everything else is even more Mako.
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  But let's just keep reading. So if if it if you if it's a
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  case that it needs to be Batal Bashishi, it goes by the
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  Kedeklipa Anabeleia Etermidae, Klipa.
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  It's never absorbs more than Klipa.
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  So you only have to have if you're if it's a case where
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  you're using Shishin Connect, though, it only has to be right.
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  So it's it's a wine if you're using wine Mahlakis, but
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  certainly all other liquids, it's it's only going to be ulcer
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  if there's less liquid kosher liquid in there that's not even.
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  But al bashishim of kaday kalipa of the pot, IEM havier alayam
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  malaki verhitni, al klava, Mccardom, Hoksharu.
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  And therefore if you want to be Kasharit, so you have we
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  mentioned you can do irui or you can just scrape off, especially
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  if it's wood. You take some kind of a planer,
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  maybe some sandpaper, whatever it is.
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  And you remove enough that it's Kedeklipa though, so it's not
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  just a little bit of sawdust. It's going to have to be a full
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  clipa. So it's OK.
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  So it's going to be a lot of sanding aval or hagasseh.
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  And Rama writes aval klipa to zephyt lomahane bacelium and
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  machinisim loquion. But if it's a cleave machiniso
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  loquion, then and it's if it's tar and not usually our cases,
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  then you have to remove all of the Zephyt and it's not enough.
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  Just a clip of the Zephyt. OK, and then and then I believe
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  and then some a clip of the what I believe that's correct, I
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  believe. And the shock points out says
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  Zephyt. It absorbs more and it reaches
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  the clip. But as long as you do Amelie V
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  Iroy, you don't even have to do today.
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  Clipa. OK, so this is relevant for
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  cautioning and relevant for being battle.
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  Now maybe we'll almost finished. Yeah, sure.
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  OK. Now an important thing over
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  here, we just saw that it's only Kadekalipa.
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  OK, The Shah has a it's a, it's a long Shah.
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  It's kind of fundamental, so I'm going to just mention it.
• 22:54
  Do we say that the Shah first wants to say that anytime you
• 23:01
  know for sure it was soaked with something Trife even with Yeh
• 23:07
  Nessa, that's what he wants to say initially.
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  Anytime you know that it's for sure had an isser, not a Suffik
• 23:14
  Vada had an isser in there for 24 hours.
• 23:17
  Then we use the din of Kabush Kemavushal and he takes it.
• 23:22
  He wants it assume pretty literally and therefore it's not
• 23:27
  enough to do Milevi Irui. Then you have to actually do
• 23:33
  Hagala or perhaps Erie Klirisha. So right here in Lam and Gilma,
• 23:44
  but then he says F Sharv, it's Sarakhion.
• 23:47
  It seems like he backtracks and that's things seems like from
• 23:51
  the Pisrey Chuva no Debbie Huda and and others that the halakhah
• 23:55
  is not. It depends.
• 23:58
  And this is what the shock's conclusion is.
• 24:00
  It's just it's a wishy washy conclusion because he says
• 24:03
  Sarakhion at the end, but this is the conclusion.
• 24:06
  The halakhah, whenever we're dealing with wine, that became
• 24:12
  whenever we're dealing with wine and when we're dealing with
• 24:18
  Hummets. Then even if you know for sure
• 24:23
  it was Kavush, Kamalbusha, all mili, the irui works.
• 24:28
  You soak it with water cold for three days and it's enough.
• 24:37
  Yeah. And it could be he's more maiko
• 24:41
  by so he says could be we're more maiko.
• 24:43
  But let me just get to the point by Shar E Surim, the Shah holds.
• 24:49
  If it's Kabush Kamavushal, then it doesn't help.
• 24:52
  You have to do a gala or you have to do a gala or iroi
• 24:56
  klirishon. It's not enough to do.
• 25:00
  It's not enough to do mile V iroi for Shar E Surim.
• 25:06
  That's the opinion of the Shah. Not sure what other postscheme
• 25:10
  hold by Shari Surin, but certainly when we're talking
• 25:13
  about but this is a case of cold kabush kamavushal.
• 25:17
  But when it comes to yayin Sherry casks, when it comes to
• 25:22
  comets, then everyone who holds the mice so that it's all even
• 25:26
  merely that you rate does work and that it's it's not as OK,
• 25:33
  fine, let's Yeah, OK, let's you know we're going to stop here, I
• 25:38
  think. Yeah.