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GLOBAL INTEL DROP w. Ret. Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer |EP812 · The Big Mig Show

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  All men are created equal that they are endowed by their
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  We also love our gold and silver.
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  What am I holding up? It's the prepper bar. 62.2 grams
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  I don't see that the administration has a solution
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  yet for that. And it's ugly, right?
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  You got the courts pushing back on tariffs.
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  You got Donald Trump trying to make things happen, but the
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  Or you can use that QR code. George made it easy for you over
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  there. So it's an easy way to get in
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  there. Break me off a piece of that
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  prepper bar. Well, we've got a great show for
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  you. Our guest is a little bit late.
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  I'm sure he'll be there. We're excited about it.
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  I was on his show the other day and we invited him back here.
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  It's going to be retired Lieutenant Colonel Tony
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  Schaefer. So we've got a bunch of stories
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  to cover, a bunch of interesting stuff.
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  George, did you catch what's going on with this arrest, this
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  Delta Force arrest? I did This is a ex Army
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  employee. She's kind of hot looking too.
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  She's 40 years old. Her name's Williams.
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  She's from North Carolina and she had from 2010 up until
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  recently or 2010 to 2016 with top secret clearance on Delta
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  Force operations. She got indicted Tuesday for
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  sending Mark secret information to a journalist, Seth Harp.
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  And this, I know, I thought this had something to do with the
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  thing in Israel, but it's not. This is this happened between
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  2022 and 2025. And dumb enough it appeared in
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  his book, his 2025 book, also in a political article.
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  So detailing unit tactics, drug issues and abuses.
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  She's also a whistleblower. I don't know if she's trying to
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  go after them or suing them, suing the military or something
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  too. So there was some, some weird
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  shit going on with her. This is at Fort Bragg.
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  It's interesting the journalist is is I'm kind of surprised they
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  didn't arrest the journalist. But again, I don't know that
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  he's going to be held liable for what she did.
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  But it's interesting, a lot of people are saying that she
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  became a whistleblower and that is why they went after her.
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  I don't know what kind of what the length is of national
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  security that was leaked. This, this journalist, I think
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  his last name is Harp. It's interesting just what's
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  going on here with this. And you always wonder sometimes
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  when they go after somebody. When I first heard about it,
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  they hadn't disclosed your name and what the content was.
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  I thought it was going to be something else.
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  I made an assumption and thought in my head, I wonder, I wonder
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  if they're going out there something.
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  Else. You know what happens when you
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  assume something you understand. Ass out of you and me.
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  Yeah, well, I'm not going to let you assume because you're not
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  going to make an ass out of me, bro.
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  Well. Let's do this.
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  Just letting you know, I'm just going to.
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  Say the clip. What clip?
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  We've got a clip there where? Right there in the story.
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  I don't even know you did that. Yep, got a clip.
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  Son of a Kong. Hold on, I got to get it.
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  I didn't know you got the clip. And I'm going to give our guest
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  a quick call while you're doing that.
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  Yeah, why don't you do that? I'll get the clip, people.
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  Sorry, Lance, you got to talk while I do this because we don't
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  want to leave our peoples hanging.
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  But I was actually just trying to get another clip for us too,
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  but no problem. All right, peeps Lance, here we
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  go. Security clearance while she
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  worked with Delta Force there with the Army in Fort Bragg.
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  She's the whistle blower that called out the maltreatment that
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  she was experiencing while working there.
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  But the feds believe she was giving away a lot more than just
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  workplace secrets, secrets that could have put soldiers lives at
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  risk. For eight years, Courtney
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  Williams worked in the Army's Delta Force at Fort Bragg.
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  Behind the scenes, worked to help maintain cover for one of
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  the military's most secretive groups.
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  But now she's being accused of leaking top secret information
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  to a journalist that could have put soldiers lives at risk.
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  Williams was quoted in Seth Harp's book The Fort Bragg
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  Cartel. My book is critical of the of
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  the of these institutions because I think that waging war
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  and secrecy. For 20 years gives rise to a
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  host of cultural problems. It's still over in the
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  communities like federal. WRAL interviewed Harp about the
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  book in October. Williams was quoted extensively
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  when referring to a toxic work environment within Delta Force
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  where she claims she was sexually harassed and
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  discriminated against while also sharing information about work
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  she would do. A criminal complaint filed today
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  indicates she had concerns about how Harp's reporting could
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  affect her. Telling her mother I might
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  actually get rested and also telling Harp I would definitely
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  have been concerned with the amount of classified information
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  being disclosed. She continued saying in part,
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  I'm taking deep breaths but have a feeling this is going to be
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  more of a nightmare for my children than not.
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  Harp declined an interview but sent me a statement calling this
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  a vindictive act of retaliation and saying, in part, former
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  Delta Force operators disclose National Defense information on
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  podcasts and YouTube shows every day.
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  But the government is going after Courtney for this sole
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  reason that she exposed sexual harassment and gender
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  discrimination in the unit. So the Eastern District of North
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  Carolina says they will be releasing some sort of press
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  release sometime soon, but don't have a public comment to give me
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  at this point. I have also reached out all.
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  Right. What do you think of this broad?
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  It's kind of cute. Shame.
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  What a waste. But it's complicated because
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  again, I'm always concerned when somebody is disclosing when
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  they, when they're becoming a whistleblower.
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  And again, I'm not saying that you should ever leak something
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  that's considered national security.
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  But I'm also curious when somebody, when the, when the
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  administration, of course, the DOJ or any agency goes after one
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  of their own and, and that person happens to be somebody
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  that is disclosing whistleblower information like sexual
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  harassment, like drug use and other things.
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  She went to her superiors and got no relief.
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  And then she decided to go a different route.
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  That's the concerning part to me.
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  You know, George, what's your, I don't know if you have a gut
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  feeling about this or it's hard to say because we don't know.
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  But it's interesting that here we are with somebody that was a
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  whistleblower and of course, they went after and there's
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  plenty of people in it in this administration, in the DOJ.
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  And hold on people, for. Them to go after George isn't
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  there. Whistleblower or not, if she was
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  leaking information then they all they all by all means you go
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  after her. Right, because I agree with.
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  We can't deal with that shit because that puts our, our
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  active military soldiers in jeopardy.
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  And we we cannot just have that. So if she's a whistleblower
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  really concerned and really trying to do the right thing,
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  she knows better not to even do that.
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  She should focus on whatever she's whistleblowing if there's
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  something really going on and not doing the, you know, dumb
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  shit like that. So I mean, I agree.
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  I agree, but but you have to admit, it's always interesting
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  to me how quickly they'll go after somebody that is a
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  whistleblower. But yet when it comes to going
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  after other individuals, other people that we know are guilty
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  of multiple crimes, it seems like wah, wah, wah, you know,
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  ass dragging, nothing happens. What's your take on that?
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  Well, they said what does she's I mean, how it took them along
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  to get to get her to get her right.
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  I mean, it said what 2022 to 2025?
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  So what? Let me see So were they
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  investigating them for that long or did did it take them that
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  long to, you know, to get I guess you know, by they wait,
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  you know, when the book came out is what put the nail in the
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  coffin. So I mean, hey, look, they can
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  get her right, But they can't find Nancy Guthrie's mother.
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  Come on. It's like it's like they choose
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  pick and choose of who they're going to go out and get.
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  You know what I mean? It's just.
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  Selective prosecution, and that's a very valid point.
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  I was going to say that. Selective prosecution.
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  You beat me to the punch and I agree with it, I think.
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  I think selective prosecution is the weapon.
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  You know, we, we know about The Dirty 51, right?
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  The, the, the, the, the, the spies who lied, The Dirty 51 + 8
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  don't see any of those people getting arrested.
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  You know, the Seth Rich laptop participants, all the people
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  that have hidden that information.
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  Of course, I don't believe Seth Rich committed suicide.
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  That's what the government's take is on it.
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  Nobody's getting arrested there. I mean, look at, look at, look
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  at if you want to talk about national security, let's talk
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  about Hillary Clinton. Look at her.
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  You might want to run for president again.
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  Yeah, I mean, look, a lot of people say that she is mentally
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  unstable, you know, and at the end of the day, look, she
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  committed lots of crimes when she used bleach bit in a hammer
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  to purge her personal computer hard drive.
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  You know, bleach bit is a program you can use to wipe a
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  computer drive. And then she didn't take any
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  chances that it could be recovered.
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  She used the hammer. That's destruction of evidence.
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  That's obstruction of justice. She's still walking around.
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  Same thing with Barack Obama. You know, we we know he's guilty
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  of many crimes, including the fact that I don't believe he was
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  qualified legally to be president of the United States
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  based on his history. I still don't understand how he
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  ended up with a Social Security number out of, I think out of
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  Connecticut. That was that was a Social
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  Security number that was basically used by a different
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  individual. And then somehow that individual
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  passed away and Barack Obama got the Social Security number.
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  You know, there's a lot of questions I have.
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  And hang on a minute. I got a text here George.
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  A lot of questions and no answers.
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  Well, that's the US government for you, Lance.
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  I mean, what do you expect? That's what they do.
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  But. Tony will be joining us.
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  He did have to do a hit piece on one of the contracts he has for
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  that, so he'll be here by 11:30. We'll go, man.
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  We just, we got shit to do. Yeah, we got plenty of cover
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  here. You want to do.
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  Go ahead bud, what you going to? Say so.
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  I was going to say I ran right, So what?
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  Do you want to talk about JD Vance first?
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  I saw you. The ah, go ahead, you do it.
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  Oh, I get this. Oh, I think that's a big deal.
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  OK, Look, to me, this is just a very low number.
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  So JD Vance, who I like. I think he's doing.
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  It's a low number. Yeah, I think the 6.3 is.
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  Oh, they just got started. Right, right.
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  I was about to say that, but I think the number is extremely
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  low. And and you know, of course, I
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  think we're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars
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  in fraud and corruption. How much of that got funneled
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  back to government officials? I have no idea.
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  But I think this has become a pattern for illegal immigrants
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  and foreigners. They've, they have, you know,
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  identified the loopholes. So JD Vance anti Fraud Task
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  Force just dropped the bombshell.
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  They're calling it massive. I don't think it's massive yet,
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  but I think it's a big start, a good start.
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  But they've already identified 6.3 billion in potential fraud.
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  And these are potentially fraudulent government contract.
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  And these are contractors that have to prove, they now have 30
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  days to prove the contracts. Now this, I don't know if this
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  is necessarily linked to Medicaid and Medicare fraud.
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  This might just be government contracts.
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  We're just starting to get the details of this, but the, but
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  the B, the billion has become a number that I think is almost
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  low. I think we got to be thinking
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  trillions here. I think fraudulent government
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  contracts are a standard operating procedure.
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  You know, they're, they're, they're one of those things
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  that, that, that is going on regularly.
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  We know there's so much fraud in our medical system.
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  George made a good point yesterday.
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  When are they going to arrest the guys at the leering center?
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  You know, I mean, the stuff that happened in Minneapolis, we've
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  seen all the information. How come there aren't hundreds
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  of arrests going down, hundreds of financial seizures, hundreds
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  of financial clawbacks. It's just like doge, you know,
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  I'm, I'm curious, is JD Vance going to use Elon Musk's doge
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  material from before Elon Musk resigned?
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  Is he going to use that and go after people that stole the
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  money like Chelsea Clinton, like Bill Kristol being paid $8
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  million a year to post on social media?
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  You know, are those guys just going to get to keep that money?
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  I mean, these are social media influencers that didn't admit
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  that they received money. Now I know all of a sudden,
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  Georgia, did you catch this, that the administration is
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  saying they're going to go after and out people that took money
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  from foreign governments is real.
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  Qatar, just to name a few, and others.
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  And they're going to go after them if they haven't filed a
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  Foreign Agency Registration Act and if they have not disclosed
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  that they are being sponsored now, I'm not sure who's going to
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  be. Impacted.
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  Wait a minute, they're going to go after what people like, post
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  for them and stuff. I I think people that have been
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  paid by those governments. To post for them, yeah.
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  So I'll say I'll say this, I'll say this.
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  You can bet your ass that if they if they if and it's a big
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  damn it if they do that, they'll go after the ones that did for
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  Qatar, for the other countries before Israel.
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  If anything, Israel would be last if they even do that.
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  I I'm not. I don't believe that.
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  Yeah. What I think is interesting, and
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  I think that's a valid point, It is.
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  I think that what I find interesting is there are laws on
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  the books. If we have a sponsor that
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  sponsors our show is paying us, We have to make you guys aware
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  of that. So, you know, when we talk about
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  Block Trust IRA, we talk about Genesis Gold Group or anybody
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  else. If we're getting paid for a
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  sponsorship and there's a, a product by law that we're
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  supposed to say to you that it's a sponsored or paid post that,
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  that in fact, there's even on video like we do, we tell you,
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  hey, let's give a shout out to our sponsors.
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  If you like to sponsor the show, we go by the letter of the law,
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  George and I don't really want to get on the wrong side of of
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  the government. You know, when they don't like
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  what you're doing, it can happen.
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  And of course, I'm not sure they're always thrilled about
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  what George and I do because of course, we're truth tellers.
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  We're not controlled by this government or any other
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  government. And if we were sponsored by a
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  government to promote and I wouldn't, you know, I'm not
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  saying I wouldn't take it necessarily.
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  I'm saying that I would acknowledge that to you guys.
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  We would make you aware of it. And the laws that the FTC and
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  the FCC have in the books make it very clear.
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  And that includes people that got money from USAID.
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  You'd have to say that you were sponsored by the, the, the
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  federal, the US federal government.
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  But they didn't Bill Kristol didn't do it.
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  Many others haven't done it. They've gotten money.
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  left-leaning agencies have paid lots of people.
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  That includes the Krasensteins and Brooklyn Dad and JoJo from
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  jurors. So many are included in that and
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  they don't acknowledge it. George, what do you think the
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  consequences should be for those people?
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  Should they face jail time? Should they be investigated and
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  arrested? People are getting paid to post.
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  Well, and then aren't following the FTC and FCC guidelines and
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  laws. These are sexual statutes.
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  These are federal statutes on the books.
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  These are the obligations I'm sponsoring to pay bills.
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  How many times have we brought up on this show?
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  Let's go back to to the last presidential election.
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  Yeah. Thunder Lips, Kamala Harris.
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  How many how many musicians, actresses, actors that went and
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  spoke for her that got paid, but they never said this was
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  sponsored, this was paid or none of that.
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  How about we start with them first, I mean.
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  I like that thinking, but I, you know, I, I don't want to make an
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  exclusion. I think we should go after all
• 19:48
  these people because again, I think.
• 19:50
  OK, so but you have to just let me finish.
• 19:52
  No, no, no, you didn't let me finish bro.
• 19:53
  Like. Don't you think this is a
• 19:55
  disservice to the American public when you get paid and you
• 19:58
  don't acknowledge you're getting paid?
• 20:01
  Yes, it is so. But all of a sudden now they
• 20:05
  want to go after the people for whoever's simping for Israel,
• 20:10
  Qatar, whatever, the countries, whatever.
• 20:12
  But what about all the people before that that have been doing
• 20:14
  it? There's no consequences.
• 20:16
  They should start. They should start with them, get
• 20:20
  those people and then and then go for the people that are doing
• 20:23
  it. I mean, how hard can it be to
• 20:25
  round up all these people? It's not that difficult.
• 20:27
  I mean, but you know, this government, they take long for
• 20:31
  everything. Well, and you're right about
• 20:33
  that. If you're getting paid like many
• 20:36
  musicians just like Megan Thee Stallion, Beyoncé, even Sean
• 20:41
  Penn, for a lot of people out there, you know you might not be
• 20:44
  aware of this, so make sure. You are.
• 20:47
  Sean Penn got paid to go do that interview with Zelensky in
• 20:51
  Ukraine. He got paid $5,000,000.
• 20:54
  He never disclosed that. It never came out that he was
• 20:56
  paid to do it. There were people that supported
• 20:58
  Joe Biden. We understand that the rock, the
• 21:01
  allegation is the rock got paid for that endorsement of Joe
• 21:04
  Biden, supposedly that little 32nd shout out for Joe Biden.
• 21:09
  Allegedly that was a $5,000,000 payment that got him the rock to
• 21:13
  do that. And we and we've seen it.
• 21:15
  You're right. I mean, I don't know if De Niro
• 21:16
  is being paid. I I don't know one way or the
• 21:18
  other, but it sure seems likely. And I think a lot of these
• 21:22
  Hollywood types, Hollywood alleged celebrities and
• 21:27
  influence, they're willing to sell their souls.
• 21:28
  They don't care. They'll take a check.
• 21:30
  Of course, Hollywood's in a in a complete meltdown because of AIA
• 21:34
  lot of people saying that it's going away and it's going to be
• 21:37
  it's never going to come back. I guess we're having a problem
• 21:45
  with Tony. Let me give me a second, George,
• 21:47
  take it away. I.
• 21:47
  Wanna play the clip? Yeah.
• 21:51
  This is new anti fraud Task force claiming it's uncovered
• 21:54
  nearly $6.3 billion and questionable government
• 21:58
  contracts. The task force has sent out
• 22:00
  letters to about 400 companies asking for proof that they are
• 22:04
  legitimate. Ayesha Hosni's on this.
• 22:06
  Live in Washington. What you find out Ayesha?
• 22:09
  Hey, good morning, Tia Bell. So it's potentially a huge loss
• 22:12
  for you, the taxpayer, but it is a win in that if there is fraud
• 22:16
  here, it will stop. The frauds are JD Vance and his
• 22:20
  task force have found that the federal government was
• 22:22
  apparently handing out contracts to potentially fraudulent
• 22:26
  businesses. Now the task force is giving
• 22:28
  these companies 30 days to prove that they are indeed real and
• 22:32
  they're demanding things like handing over a physical address
• 22:36
  or they risk losing their contract.
• 22:38
  A spokesperson told Fox. If fraudsters are robbing
• 22:42
  hardworking Americans of their tax dollars and services, we
• 22:45
  will find them. And there is a lot of pressure
• 22:49
  on this White House right now to root out fraud.
• 22:52
  A new Fox News polling. Polling shows 53% of Americans
• 22:55
  actually say government spending is wasteful and that is up
• 22:59
  nearly 10 points from last year when DOGE was out there doging.
• 23:04
  Just last week, AVP Vance swore in the 1st ever Assistant
• 23:07
  Attorney General for National Fraud Enforcement with this
• 23:10
  message to scammers everywhere. It's going to make fraudsters
• 23:15
  know that they're going to suffer some consequences, and
• 23:17
  it's going to make the American people know that these programs
• 23:20
  are being protected for the people who need them because
• 23:22
  there are a lot of them out there.
• 23:23
  We want to help them, but we've got to get rid of the fraud in
• 23:26
  order to do it. And Bill, the acting AG, Todd
• 23:28
  Blanche, also launched the new National Fraud Enforcement
• 23:31
  Division. So much more to come, Bill.
• 23:34
  Thanks Aisha. Aisha Howsney watching the money
• 23:38
  30 days to show them the addresses.
• 23:41
  Well, I'm I'm against that. What address do they have on
• 23:45
  file? Did they file when they tried to
• 23:47
  get these contracts? Go verify the freaking address
• 23:49
  and stuff. Go there, get it done and if
• 23:52
  it's all bullshit and boom end it all lock their asses up next
• 23:58
  go to the next one, next one, next one, next one.
• 23:59
  It's not that hard, 30, hold on. But 30 days you can, they can,
• 24:04
  you can give somebody 30 days to go find an address that says,
• 24:07
  oh, we moved. Here's a new address I got Tony.
• 24:09
  Just talk, Lance. Yeah, and, and, and here's the
• 24:12
  thing, 30 days is a lot of time. These people could be
• 24:16
  liquidating, moving money out of the country, and they could be
• 24:20
  buying themselves an international ticket.
• 24:22
  They could be fleeing. Regular Americans don't get 30
• 24:26
  days. I can tell you that.
• 24:27
  If you're under investigation and they think you're guilty,
• 24:30
  they will come and kick in your front door.
• 24:33
  There's not going to be any hesitation.
• 24:35
  There's not going to be any reservation, There's not going
• 24:37
  to be any limitation. So why these individuals
• 24:40
  allegedly are being given 30 days?
• 24:44
  I, I just don't understand that. I don't agree with it.
• 24:46
  I don't know why anybody would be given extra time to cover
• 24:49
  their tracks. So I think it's valid what
• 24:52
  George said. I don't agree with 30 days.
• 24:55
  Go there, we'll take a look. Just like the leering center.
• 24:58
  Go take a look and decide very simply, you know, is this a
• 25:02
  fraudulent entity? Pretty simple.
• 25:06
  None of these, most of these businesses.
• 25:07
  I mean, listen, if Nick Shirley could do it that easily and you
• 25:10
  know, he, he did an amazing job. He's an investigative
• 25:12
  journalist. I think he he went all in.
• 25:14
  And we've got some of the top intelligence organizations in,
• 25:17
  in the globe, allegedly. If we really want to get to the
• 25:20
  bottom of fraud, why can't we have a special task force within
• 25:24
  the FBI? They're using the plane to go to
• 25:26
  events. Maybe they should use plane to
• 25:27
  shuttle FBI agents around the country.
• 25:30
  Let's use these intelligence organizations to find out where
• 25:32
  the fraud is going on and just knock on the door.
• 25:35
  Listen, somebody wants to put me on a contract, I'll go knock on
• 25:38
  doors in Colorado if they want to get to the bottom of any kind
• 25:41
  of fraud. Hey, Lance about.
• 25:43
  Billions of dollars here. Hundreds of billions of dollars.
• 25:45
  There's no reason to wait. Yes, Sir.
• 25:46
  Let me bring Tony in. Yeah, absolutely.
• 25:49
  All right. Welcome to the big, big show.
• 25:51
  Mr. Tony Shaffer. How you doing, Sir?
• 25:55
  Can you hear us? Hold on guys, I'm trying to get
• 25:57
  the my speaker to work. We got you.
• 26:00
  We can hear you. I'm going to give his bio for
• 26:02
  the audience, maybe some people. Aren't there we go?
• 26:04
  I can hear you. All right.
• 26:05
  Yeah. And you guys?
• 26:06
  Should be showing. You should be following Tony on
• 26:09
  social media over on X EST Spooky.
• 26:12
  You should be following his shows.
• 26:15
  He's a real true teller. I got lucky enough to do his
• 26:17
  show about a week ago. I had a great time.
• 26:20
  He and I really hit it off for probably a number of reasons,
• 26:22
  maybe some of the similar backgrounds we have.
• 26:24
  But listen, he's a New York Times bestselling author, CIA
• 26:28
  trained senior intelligence operations officer, president of
• 26:32
  the London Center for Policy Research, which is a a very
• 26:36
  sophisticated think tank, 35 years in global and national
• 26:40
  security, including command of classified units, multiple
• 26:43
  deployments. He's a recognized expert on
• 26:45
  counterterrorism, intelligence and strategic policy.
• 26:48
  He's a Bronze Star recipient, has contributed as an advisor
• 26:53
  producer for National Geographic.
• 26:54
  It's chain of command. We'll be putting up his links in
• 26:57
  social media. There's lots of ways to connect
• 26:59
  with Tony, I would tell you that I think.
• 27:01
  There's links in the chat and under the video in a more
• 27:03
  section. Lance.
• 27:04
  He's a valuable guy to follow. Tony, how are you, man?
• 27:07
  Yeah, I'm doing great, Lance. Thanks for having me.
• 27:09
  Sorry about the technical problems, but you know how
• 27:11
  technology is. Hey, George, good to meet you.
• 27:13
  Good. To meet you, Tony.
• 27:14
  Pleasure. Yeah, it's, it's one of those
• 27:16
  things that happens. We, you know, we run into it.
• 27:18
  We we we carried on as usual, like.
• 27:20
  We all have to. Do because when it comes to
• 27:21
  these sort of interviews, we already, so, Tony, we jumped in
• 27:26
  and we already kind of discussed this.
• 27:28
  Former Special Forces operator, Delta Force veteran Courtney
• 27:33
  Williams. I just want to get your take on
• 27:35
  it because I'm there's, I do have a concern.
• 27:37
  And my concern is, you know, there are lots of people that I
• 27:43
  believe if they were regular Americans would already be
• 27:45
  sitting on a pretrial detention. You know, when you get a
• 27:50
  whistleblower, when you get many whistleblowers, I'm always
• 27:53
  worried about when they're disclosing information,
• 27:56
  especially if they went up the chain of command, if they
• 27:58
  already reported it. In this case, Courtney alleges
• 28:00
  she did. Do you think this is
• 28:02
  retaliatory? Because, of course, we're always
• 28:04
  concerned about national security.
• 28:05
  You and I discussed on your show the concerns about the ballroom
• 28:09
  and what they disclose nationally.
• 28:11
  And I thought that was disastrous.
• 28:12
  It never should have happened about the underground facility
• 28:16
  below the ballroom. That was going to be Secret
• 28:18
  Service and, and, and military intelligence.
• 28:21
  But do you think, what do you feel?
• 28:23
  What are you feeling here, man? I know you've got a good gut
• 28:25
  reaction and there's a lot of times that you're right on the
• 28:28
  target on your show and otherwise.
• 28:29
  What are your thoughts, man? Do you think this is retaliatory
• 28:32
  or do you think it's really legitimate?
• 28:34
  Well, so I've been a whistle blower on Able Danger.
• 28:37
  You guys can go back and find the videos.
• 28:39
  They're online. And when I became a whistle
• 28:44
  blower, it was inadvertent. I was actually advising the
• 28:48
  Navy's internal think tank nicknamed Deep, Deep Blue.
• 28:51
  It's a classified, It was a classified think tank.
• 28:53
  What they do is still classified.
• 28:55
  And I was asked to go over by the Navy to ask for funding for
• 29:02
  a specific classified project. And so next thing you know,
• 29:06
  during my meetings, I inadvertently become a whistle
• 29:09
  blower because I'm, I'm saying things that Congress didn't
• 29:12
  know. I was authorized to talk about
• 29:13
  it because the Navy asked me to. But I go back and talk to the
• 29:17
  Army. It's like, hey, they're asking
• 29:20
  questions about this. What do you want me to do?
• 29:22
  And the Army said, tell them what they want to know.
• 29:24
  Tell them the truth. So next thing you know, I'm a
• 29:25
  whistleblower. But the Army said I could be a
• 29:27
  whistleblower. So, you know, the rest of
• 29:31
  Department of Defense, at the time it was called, the
• 29:33
  Department of Defense came after me.
• 29:35
  But I was good with the Army. You know, the Army supported me.
• 29:38
  And in this case, I don't know quite what to believe yet
• 29:41
  because I don't know her personally.
• 29:44
  I know the unit, the units that she supported and I kind of
• 29:48
  understand her role. I understand she made
• 29:51
  allegations against her chain of command, which may or may not
• 29:53
  have been taken seriously. And so the, the, the, anytime
• 29:59
  you go forward with a, a complaint, you have to be 3
• 30:03
  things. You have to be completely
• 30:05
  factually accurate because any little Ding, they're going to
• 30:11
  come after you on. I know from experience.
• 30:13
  Secondly, you have to be pristine or put out there your
• 30:19
  issues ahead of time to make sure that that you basically
• 30:23
  you're able to explain whatever your blemishes are.
• 30:26
  Otherwise others are going to explain them for you and you're
• 30:29
  not going to like how they do it.
• 30:30
  So you got to get out there. That's one of the reasons I get
• 30:33
  dark Heart. I put everything in there, good
• 30:35
  and bad, so you can't come after me later and said, oh, you hid
• 30:37
  the bad parts. Like no, I put the bad parts in.
• 30:39
  I did. I put everything in.
• 30:41
  So you got to be very clear about that.
• 30:42
  And 2nd and 3rd, and probably most importantly, you got to
• 30:46
  have someone advocating for you at that level.
• 30:48
  One of the things I learned from being a whistleblower on Able
• 30:51
  Danger and Sy Hirsch came to me and told me, this is like, Tony,
• 30:55
  neither side is going to protect you.
• 30:58
  The Democrats have a lot to lose.
• 30:59
  The Republicans have a lot to lose.
• 31:01
  So you're on your own. So that's a lesson I learned is
• 31:05
  you need to have someone who basically is going to advocate
• 31:07
  for you. In my case, it was a
• 31:09
  congressman. Oh my God, Kurt.
• 31:15
  Kurt Weldon. I was just talking to Kurt the
• 31:18
  other day. I shouldn't have.
• 31:18
  Sorry, Kurt, but Kurt, Kurt became, he was the vice chair of
• 31:23
  the Armed Services Committee at the time at House Armed
• 31:25
  Services, and he became an advocate.
• 31:27
  He kind of paid with his career protecting us and the truth.
• 31:31
  So I don't know how far she got into any of those things.
• 31:35
  I don't know enough about her case, but obviously if she had
• 31:39
  direct contact with a journalist who I just, I, I tweeted him
• 31:43
  because he's got there right now saying the journalist she's
• 31:45
  supposed to leak to saying, oh, don't know.
• 31:47
  She only gave me background information.
• 31:49
  Well, if it's classified, it's still, you know, illegal.
• 31:54
  And I think that's where the rub's going to come.
• 31:56
  It's how much contact did she have with the media beforehand?
• 32:00
  And for the record, when I had to go to the media, I basically
• 32:04
  the Army knew what I was doing and they let me go do it.
• 32:09
  So I don't know if they would say they endorse my media
• 32:11
  appearances or talking to the media.
• 32:14
  But clearly I ended up retiring with full benefits.
• 32:17
  And I guess it kind of speaks for itself that I, I wasn't, you
• 32:20
  know, prosecuted or targeted because I asked for permission
• 32:23
  and got it before I did things in this case.
• 32:26
  I just don't know that I'd have to go study it more.
• 32:28
  This only broke this morning. I do.
• 32:30
  I will say this about the unit. Her parent role was what we call
• 32:35
  is cover support. One of the things that was
• 32:38
  disclosed as part of the story was that she handled cover
• 32:43
  passports and documents and things like that.
• 32:46
  That fits into the category of operational support in my world,
• 32:49
  which is what I think she did for the tiered unit.
• 32:53
  She's said to have been supporting.
• 32:55
  So she would have direct access to a lot of the operational
• 32:58
  planning. She wouldn't be in the room, but
• 33:00
  you'd have access to it and she would have enough detail based
• 33:05
  on what she was being asked to do to support operations to to
• 33:08
  kind of provide some very clear information to the the media
• 33:13
  about what was going on regarding operations.
• 33:15
  And that's very dangerous if that's true.
• 33:17
  And and so if she exceeded her complaint regarding
• 33:24
  whistleblower and did things to undermine operations where that
• 33:27
  that is to say they can prove that she leaked to the press
• 33:30
  details of ongoing or planned operations, that's where they're
• 33:33
  going to get her and that's going to and that is bad.
• 33:35
  They that's something we never, never did.
• 33:37
  And my whistleblowing is leak information regarding ongoing or
• 33:40
  planned operations. And that was George's take.
• 33:44
  That's exactly what he was said before you came on.
• 33:46
  He thought this anything. Of course, we always want to
• 33:49
  protect operational security. I agree with you, I just I guess
• 33:53
  we'll have to see what comes out.
• 33:54
  Hopefully the the truth will come out.
• 33:55
  I don't know if it will or not. They they're pretty good at
• 33:57
  hiding it. Well, look at Israel, look at
• 34:01
  when they're rescuing the pilot. Someone leaked information to a
• 34:05
  journalist, which delayed the rest the operation.
• 34:09
  So they put, they put one of our military members in, in jeopardy
• 34:13
  their lives. Yep, Yep.
• 34:15
  Somebody, somebody needs to pay for that.
• 34:17
  So and just go, Lance, just go. Yeah, no, but on that point,
• 34:21
  George, real quick. So I've, I work with members of
• 34:23
  the media who will learn things and they will not report them.
• 34:27
  And and I, I don't want to get into detail because there's some
• 34:29
  sensitive relationships, but there are members of the media
• 34:32
  who are patriots and say, you know, if, if they're asked us to
• 34:35
  delay reporting on something, they will because they recognize
• 34:37
  what you just said. There's others who are
• 34:40
  essentially left wing advocates or activists who will gladly
• 34:47
  leak things to undermine operations.
• 34:48
  So there is a distinction with a difference of members of the
• 34:51
  media. Yeah, you know, sometimes you're
• 34:53
  told things in confidence by individuals.
• 34:56
  And when I'm told something in confidence, George, is the same
• 34:58
  way. You know, we're taken to the
• 34:59
  grave, guys. I'm not going to disclose
• 35:01
  something I was told in confidence for clicks, for
• 35:04
  views, but but that that makes us unique.
• 35:07
  That makes you unique. We're not willing to sell our
• 35:09
  souls, whether it's a paid group.
• 35:11
  We, we were talking about Tony, some of the people that are
• 35:14
  getting paid online by foreign governments or otherwise, which
• 35:18
  depending on the foreign government, you know, there are
• 35:20
  you, you do get, you do get approached by these groups.
• 35:23
  But if you were going to take money from them as an influencer
• 35:25
  or as a, an individual, there are laws on the books, right,
• 35:29
  Sponsorship laws, FTC and FCC guidelines that are actual laws.
• 35:33
  But there are lots of people on social media that have shows
• 35:36
  that exceed the, the, the law. We don't see any consequences
• 35:39
  for them, But that doesn't mean it's OK to do it.
• 35:41
  You have to if, if you are a real patriot, if you do want to
• 35:44
  protect the country. And, you know, if I had been
• 35:46
  disclosed, something that I thought was the number one
• 35:49
  probably shouldn't have been disclosed to me.
• 35:50
  But in the heat of discussion, sometimes people say things
• 35:53
  because they're emotional. I still wouldn't disclose it.
• 35:55
  Regardless if it would come, it would propel my shell to some
• 35:59
  unique level, especially if it was going to undermine the
• 36:02
  administration or national security interests.
• 36:04
  I, I just wouldn't do it. I'm a technical grave guy.
• 36:07
  It's the way I've always been. And I know George is the same
• 36:09
  way. Let's answer that point.
• 36:11
  Yeah, I want to hit that point because so there are still
• 36:13
  things on able danger that I testified to 23 years ago, which
• 36:21
  are still I still can't talk about.
• 36:24
  So that's your point is well taken.
• 36:26
  There are some things which are need to be protected and there
• 36:31
  was times in closed hearings where I was waved off by the
• 36:35
  staff director of the House Armed Services when I was being
• 36:38
  asked direct questions by members of Congress who had a
• 36:41
  legitimate need to know at regarding clearances.
• 36:43
  But they didn't have the the the ultimate kind of top clearance
• 36:48
  and so only like 5 people and the house were opened.
• 36:52
  So I couldn't talk about it. I didn't.
• 36:54
  To this day I've never talked about it publicly.
• 36:57
  So there's something you just can't talk about.
• 36:59
  And rightfully so, because again, the priority is to
• 37:01
  protect the country and for the people that, yeah, all of us
• 37:06
  wanna have breaking news and create stories, but not at the
• 37:09
  detriment, you know, of course, the safety and security of the
• 37:11
  United States. I want the country to be, as,
• 37:14
  you know, successful in in its global initiatives or its or its
• 37:18
  domestic initiatives as possible.
• 37:20
  So I'm not going to do that regardless of whether or not I
• 37:22
  think it could. Oh, gosh, this show just blew
• 37:24
  up. We got a million views.
• 37:25
  What what? At what cost?
• 37:27
  The question would be at what cost.
• 37:29
  All right, let's talk about the ceasefire.
• 37:31
  I don't know if I don't know if we can call it a ceasefire
• 37:33
  anymore. Of course, we're supposed to be
• 37:34
  at 2 weeks, 2 weeks ceasefire. It's already showing cracks.
• 37:39
  There's reports of continued Iranian missile activity.
• 37:42
  Israel didn't even wait for the ink to get dry.
• 37:45
  And I don't think there was any ink.
• 37:46
  But Donald Trump with mid announcement, they were already
• 37:49
  striking Hezbollah in Lebanon. They claim that Lebanon's not
• 37:53
  part of the ceasefire. Hezbollah is not part of the
• 37:55
  ceasefire. Of course, that's what Israel
• 37:57
  does. But now a Strait of Hormuz, it
• 37:59
  seems to be closed again. It never really opened, I don't
• 38:02
  think. I, I guess, I guess here's what
• 38:04
  I got to do. You know, from your intelligence
• 38:06
  operations background, what do you think the biggest red flags
• 38:10
  for this truce? Looks like it's collapsing.
• 38:12
  My what I said to George yesterday.
• 38:14
  And then I'll, I, I want you to take it away.
• 38:15
  And then you and George comment. I, I'm not sure that the people
• 38:19
  that agree to the ceasefire are the people that have their
• 38:22
  finger on the trigger this to be a real disparity.
• 38:25
  I don't even know if there's an Ayatollah that's alive.
• 38:28
  I don't know who's in the hospital, who's dead.
• 38:30
  I, I, you know, the problem is there's just a lot of things
• 38:33
  that I am questioning about this announced ceasefire.
• 38:36
  Tony, you go. And then George, I need you to
• 38:38
  jump in right after him. So there's three things that
• 38:40
  come to mind. First, we've missed
• 38:42
  opportunities to kind of message and undermine the Iranian
• 38:46
  messaging. We we've had huge opportunities
• 38:48
  to kind of take their wind out, but they continue to be
• 38:51
  effective because we're not agile enough to counter the
• 38:53
  messaging. So with this very issue is like,
• 38:57
  OK, they broke the ceasefire and, and maybe maybe not because
• 39:01
  the question becomes who's in charge of Iran and we just don't
• 39:05
  know. And I think, and President Trump
• 39:06
  said this and I tend to agree that that's probably true.
• 39:09
  We are negotiating with members of the political class in Iran
• 39:12
  who don't have oversight or directive authority over the
• 39:16
  IRGC, which is their their political military arm.
• 39:19
  They're, they're terrorist group so they, the IRGC is going to
• 39:23
  continue to do what they do all the time.
• 39:26
  And as much as the announcement, he instantly dropped the price
• 39:29
  of oil back to the mid 70s like it was $75 a barrel.
• 39:32
  Now it's back up to 92 because it, the, the ceasefire wasn't a
• 39:36
  ceasefire. And the second factor is the the
• 39:39
  Israelis. I don't know if the Israelis
• 39:44
  signed a board or not. I tend to believe they didn't
• 39:46
  because the attacks on Hezbollah I think are legitimate, but they
• 39:52
  have nothing to do with us. It's the, it's the Israelis.
• 39:54
  And, and what Vice President Vance has been saying is, look,
• 39:58
  we agreed to the ceasefire based on our attacking the Iran, not
• 40:04
  on any other nation besides Iran.
• 40:07
  So this is where it's really Gray and and murky and.
• 40:10
  Both sides are doing what they think they want to do based on
• 40:13
  their interpretation, which is very dangerous.
• 40:15
  And that's why we don't see it. And the third thing I, I would
• 40:18
  end this with is that we, it, it appears to me, I'm not going to
• 40:23
  make any accusations. It appears to me we didn't war
• 40:29
  game this out appropriately. And, and, and I, I spent a lot
• 40:33
  of time working with the Army War College doing essentially
• 40:38
  scenario building, looking at, at how we would respond to
• 40:41
  things. Basically most military
• 40:44
  operations, you have essentially a red team who comes in and, and
• 40:48
  pretends to be the bad guys. So you can kind of put your
• 40:52
  scenario against them to see what, how they're going to
• 40:55
  respond. I don't get the impression that
• 40:57
  we did a lot of that before the conflict because there's two
• 41:00
  things, there's three things I would have done differently.
• 41:02
  First, I would have started seizing Iranian oil tankers
• 41:06
  before the conflict even started to get their attention.
• 41:09
  It's like, look, we're just going to take anything you put
• 41:12
  on a boat and seize it like we were doing in Venezuela.
• 41:14
  We didn't do that. Secondly, we would have, I would
• 41:17
  have made sure that the contingency plans for the Strait
• 41:20
  of Hormuz was dusted off and ready to go.
• 41:23
  I wouldn't have left a MEW in the Pacific that knowing that
• 41:27
  I'm going to need it in in the Persian Gulf.
• 41:29
  I would have had it there like beforehand saying we can seize
• 41:32
  this. We need to now.
• 41:33
  I wouldn't have given him that time and 3rd and probably most
• 41:36
  importantly, I would have started already escorting ships
• 41:41
  through. That is to say that we've done
• 41:42
  it before. I would have put U.S.
• 41:45
  Navy ships in harm's way. I understand the risk and made
• 41:49
  it clear that the straight is open and and dare Iran do
• 41:52
  something to stop it. If they did something to stop
• 41:54
  it, then I would have seized both sides of the Persian Gulf
• 41:57
  at the straight and then Kargh Island.
• 41:59
  So I would have done it a lot more directly to go after their
• 42:02
  economic means of, of of making money and we're kind of reverse
• 42:08
  order of what's going on now you.
• 42:10
  Know it's funny you said that. I brought it up two weeks ago
• 42:12
  that we should just seize Karg Island.
• 42:14
  Yeah, I said just seize the people like, oh, you can't do
• 42:16
  it, George. I said, yeah, of course you can.
• 42:18
  And you're right about the ships.
• 42:19
  We can use our Navy to escort tankers through.
• 42:24
  I mean, we, we've taken out a lot of the capabilities.
• 42:27
  But if they're making, if they're doing, if they're
• 42:30
  negotiating, US is negotiating with Iran who do a ceasefire and
• 42:35
  it says it Iran, one of the things Iran said stop the
• 42:38
  bombings in Lebanon. So how can US agree to that if
• 42:43
  they're not talking to Netanyahu?
• 42:45
  Because Trump just told Netanyahu this morning, he said
• 42:47
  to scale back the bombings in Lebanon and he says he he's
• 42:51
  going to open now Netanyahu's going to open direct
• 42:54
  negotiations with Lebanon. So is there that much
• 42:58
  miscommunications among the US and Israel?
• 43:00
  And I mean all this stuff. I mean it sounds.
• 43:03
  Amateur to me so George, I don't know there's a there's a point
• 43:09
  of diminishing returns and I I touching this is like touching
• 43:14
  the third rail. So the so the Israelis the
• 43:18
  United States don't agree on everything.
• 43:19
  So this is one of those things that I think it's it's this is
• 43:22
  one of those disagreements that's kind of playing forth.
• 43:24
  So I do believe that that Trump had told Netanyahu, look, you
• 43:28
  need to back off here to let us do this.
• 43:31
  And I think Netanyahu had other ideas and just did it because
• 43:34
  the initial. Yeah.
• 43:36
  And so, and I've said this publicly and I I've so far so
• 43:39
  good. The the, the Israeli interests
• 43:42
  and US interests are not completely the same.
• 43:45
  They're not. And there's a point of, of where
• 43:48
  I think it's becoming more apparent.
• 43:50
  This is one of those points. And I'm not I'm not saying
• 43:52
  anything bad about the Israelis. They have their interests, you
• 43:55
  could say, and Lebanon about. Them it's all right though,
• 43:58
  yeah, I'm just trying to be. You can talk bad about them as.
• 44:00
  You're right over the target. I'm just trying to be clear on
• 44:03
  this, yeah. I have fairly.
• 44:04
  Interests cannot always align with the US interests, and I get
• 44:07
  that because they're focused on their country.
• 44:09
  We're focused on that country. But when somebody says they're
• 44:12
  the top ally we've ever had historically and that that our
• 44:16
  interests are so equally aligned, I disagree.
• 44:19
  I disagree with that because again, I expect Israel to do
• 44:22
  everything that's necessary and important for Israel.
• 44:24
  Just like I expect the same out of Russia, I expect the same out
• 44:27
  of China, and I expect the same out of the US.
• 44:30
  So, you know, go ahead, George. Yeah.
• 44:32
  So I have family all over the world.
• 44:33
  I have family in Israel in that, in that region.
• 44:36
  So Netanyahu wants wants war because he wants to take the
• 44:39
  focus off his own criminal charges he's got against them.
• 44:42
  That's what he wants to do. He's he's, he was all right, but
• 44:46
  now he's just a bad apple because he's killing too many
• 44:48
  civilians, especially in Lebanon.
• 44:50
  Just, you know, I understand going after the terrorists.
• 44:52
  I'm all for that. Take them out.
• 44:53
  But you have to do it strategically, not hurt
• 44:55
  civilians, because that doesn't make you any better than the
• 44:58
  terrorists. Then you're just going, you
• 44:59
  know, and they could do it. They just don't want to.
• 45:02
  They just want to create more havoc and chaos over there.
• 45:06
  But. I think that the pre emptive
• 45:08
  design elements that you suggested, Tony, should have
• 45:11
  been done. And again, I agree with you,
• 45:13
  they should have started pre emptively, you know, with the
• 45:16
  Strait of Hormuz and with seizing oil.
• 45:20
  I also think that one of the areas that everybody doesn't
• 45:23
  seem to talk about enough, they should have gone after their
• 45:28
  power grid because of course we know they're mining Bitcoin at
• 45:31
  $13165 a Bitcoin by stealing the power from orphanages and
• 45:37
  hospitals and wherever it is. That's and that those wallets,
• 45:40
  they are mining Bitcoin every single day.
• 45:43
  It's hard to stop that because they're using, you know, lots of
• 45:46
  layering in their wallets. But the truth of the matter is
• 45:48
  if they didn't have a power grid, as much as that would be
• 45:51
  difficult for the the civilians, at the end of the day, it would
• 45:55
  also stop because they've made an inordinate amount of money.
• 45:57
  Also, the administration, the Ayatollah, has shipped out
• 46:00
  Bitcoin to their own private wallets.
• 46:02
  We're talking about billions and billions of dollars in Bitcoin.
• 46:04
  My understanding is they're mining somewhere between 3 and
• 46:07
  5% of all Bitcoin globally that's currently being mined.
• 46:11
  Yeah, that's a big no. You know what Lance, if, if
• 46:13
  those Bitcoin are lost, it'll just make more Bitcoin more
• 46:15
  valuable. So I have, I have questions for
• 46:18
  you doing that. Me personally, I wouldn't have
• 46:21
  done the ceasefire with Iran because Iran is known to do
• 46:25
  stuff like this and they'll avert from what they're doing
• 46:28
  just to buy them more time. Yep, I would have taken out
• 46:31
  their infrastructure, put them to their knees.
• 46:34
  Like Trump said, made a comment. I think, Lance, we, we talked
• 46:36
  about this yesterday that he said, oh, the, the regime change
• 46:40
  in a positive way. There's a positive regime
• 46:42
  change. Well, to, to, in order for this
• 46:44
  to be successful, there has to be no more regime.
• 46:47
  You can't tell the Iranian people protest in the streets.
• 46:50
  Stand up. We got your six.
• 46:53
  They want freedom. They want it back before, you
• 46:55
  know, the regime took over. Yeah.
• 46:57
  So saying there's a positive regime this and that, I don't
• 47:01
  know. To me, that's not the right
• 47:03
  message to send because you want to get rid of the regime.
• 47:06
  So much mixed messaging. I don't know.
• 47:08
  What do you think? You're right.
• 47:10
  And so we started, we, we should have started in 2009 during the
• 47:16
  Green Revolution. There was a, a group that
• 47:19
  during, during the Arab Spring, we ignored the fact that the
• 47:23
  Persians, the Persian Spring, we didn't want to do that for any
• 47:25
  number of political reasons that I don't think we can get into
• 47:28
  any length here. But Obama decided while we were
• 47:32
  uprising and, and, and, and in the Middle East, they didn't
• 47:36
  want to, they wanted the IRGC and the Iranians to stay stable.
• 47:39
  So we didn't support the Green Revolution in 2009.
• 47:42
  Fast forward to today. No, we, they gave him money,
• 47:44
  time, man. Right.
• 47:46
  Zach drew the red. He drew the red line in the
• 47:48
  sand. The the red line got crossed.
• 47:50
  He didn't do nothing. Yeah.
• 47:51
  Yeah. Well, so we could have a whole
• 47:53
  show on that, but to. The current points that we
• 47:55
  agreed to allegedly that that part of it is a continued
• 47:59
  enrichment of uranium. Yeah, that was a deal breaker
• 48:02
  before I even got down to the rest of 1.
• 48:03
  I think that was point #3 on the list.
• 48:06
  I would have said, well it's a no go.
• 48:07
  Forget that. I said all along that that was a
• 48:10
  hardened path to a nuclear weapon.
• 48:12
  That's all it was. It was a hardened path.
• 48:14
  Yeah. So.
• 48:15
  The 10 points that they say we've agreed to and I don't know
• 48:18
  if we have or haven't, or at least the points that the
• 48:20
  Iranians one. I saw so many things in those
• 48:22
  ten points. It would have been a no go.
• 48:24
  They sent that over, but oh hell no.
• 48:25
  I would have stuck it into a trader and said we're going in
• 48:27
  enough. Supposedly, Yeah, supposedly.
• 48:29
  The big takeaways? They're finally going to meet in
• 48:34
  Pakistan face to face. That's the big deal.
• 48:36
  But who's who's going to meet though?
• 48:39
  Well, there's they're clearing out a hotel and Islamabad or
• 48:44
  Iranian leaders to show up. Now, I don't know who those are,
• 48:47
  but this is supposed to be face to face starting next week.
• 48:51
  Supposedly this is the space they're trying to build.
• 48:52
  Now. I'm with you, George.
• 48:54
  I don't know if I would have stopped at this point.
• 48:57
  And let me let me tell you how I would have run a campaign
• 49:00
  because I, I've done this a day or two.
• 49:02
  So I've learned from some of the best.
• 49:05
  One of those is Norm Schwartz, Norman Schwartz, Storman Norman
• 49:09
  Schwartzkopf. I'm, I'm familiar from being
• 49:13
  around back then. As a matter of fact, General
• 49:15
  Schwartzkopf was the, the, the keynote speaker at our
• 49:18
  graduation from CIA training at the farm.
• 49:20
  Just saying. So he put together an amazing
• 49:25
  staff that was agile. And one of the problems I see
• 49:28
  that we're not doing well. Are you guys familiar with the
• 49:30
  term the OODA loop? The OODA loop.
• 49:35
  This came up, John Boyd and his guys came up with it.
• 49:38
  It's called observe, Orient, decide, act.
• 49:41
  Basically, if you can Orient, if you, if you can observe an event
• 49:45
  and then you Orient to what you need to do.
• 49:48
  You decide on what has to be done and you act.
• 49:51
  You do this in cycles and you try to do it faster than the bad
• 49:54
  guys so you can figure out what they're going to do, figure out
• 49:57
  how to counter it, act and then cycle again.
• 49:59
  So we didn't do that as a as a prerequisite of how do we get
• 50:04
  ahead of these guys and stay ahead of them regarding
• 50:06
  operations. And one of the first things I
• 50:08
  would have done to your point is taken out their power grid
• 50:11
  because look, the the people were already being deprived of
• 50:14
  Internet. So you're going to just deprive
• 50:16
  them of power because the the again, it's not you're not it's
• 50:19
  not civil infrastructure if it's being used to benefit the
• 50:22
  government you're at war with. So I would have just taken it
• 50:25
  out. It's like, yeah, we're done.
• 50:26
  Give it back when you're ready. And we can do that non lethally.
• 50:29
  We have non lethal technology. So we don't have to blow it up.
• 50:31
  We can just take it down. And by the way, we can take it
• 50:34
  down as long as we want because we can it basically the
• 50:36
  technology we use can be reapplied over and over is
• 50:40
  knocking it down every time they get it.
• 50:41
  So we didn't do that. Let me ask you a question.
• 50:43
  Yeah, taking down their electrical grids.
• 50:48
  We my understanding is we don't even need to bomb them.
• 50:51
  We could do it through our computers.
• 50:53
  We we have different we have both kinetic, semi kinetic and
• 50:56
  non kinetic options. Yes, yes, so, but I mean, that's
• 51:00
  what I'm saying like the way it is just the way there that Iran
• 51:05
  got off so many missiles and drones.
• 51:07
  It just it seemed like they wanted to allow that to justify
• 51:10
  more of this war. I don't I don't know.
• 51:13
  You're the military guy, so you know more to me well.
• 51:16
  I think the, the, the, the belief was we had known more
• 51:20
  about those locations than what we did.
• 51:21
  We knew they hit some. And I think that we have, we've
• 51:25
  probably taken out, I'd say still between 85 and 90%, but
• 51:29
  that 10%, they're still using it.
• 51:31
  And, and by the way, this is the other thing they, they missed,
• 51:33
  George, is that every time one of those is fired
• 51:37
  indiscriminately towards a civilian infrastructure of a
• 51:40
  foreign country, that's a war crime.
• 51:42
  So I'm, I'm appalled by the fact that that, you know, and I agree
• 51:45
  with you regarding Netanyahu not backing down and not being as
• 51:48
  reusable as he could. With that said, the people of
• 51:51
  Jerusalem are being targeted by the Iranians and those missiles
• 51:54
  are not, the missiles fired by Iran are not being targeted
• 51:57
  towards military facilities. So we missed the bubble on like
• 52:01
  turning the narrative around on them.
• 52:02
  It's like, no, no, this is a war crime and we need to recognize
• 52:06
  that. But to.
• 52:07
  I mean the their last strike on the UAE, wasn't that also all
• 52:10
  civilian? I don't think those.
• 52:11
  It was all civilian anytime they do that.
• 52:13
  Salinization plants. They hit, you know, place.
• 52:16
  That's yeah. There's no military value in
• 52:17
  that so. But even in Israel, they hit in
• 52:20
  Haifa an oil refinery or some oil facility.
• 52:24
  So yeah. Well, but my point is, is that
• 52:27
  we missed the the bubble on being able to turn it around.
• 52:29
  But on on the issue of degradation of military anyway
• 52:33
  to go to continue my thought, I would have taken out the power
• 52:37
  grid, been able to essentially, I think, determine more readily
• 52:42
  their command and control by the fact that when you take their
• 52:44
  power grid down, they got to come back up.
• 52:46
  George, one of the lessons is when you deprive an adversary
• 52:50
  something, they've got to go to a secondary, A capability to
• 52:53
  communicate. And I don't think we did that
• 52:55
  either, because if you take down the power grid, you start
• 52:57
  basically cascading down what they can do.
• 53:00
  And if you can destroy their command and control completely,
• 53:03
  yeah, it's they can't do as many things they're doing.
• 53:05
  I don't understand why we haven't done a better job of
• 53:07
  taking out their command and control.
• 53:08
  That is something I don't. That's what's fishing, right?
• 53:10
  Like it's like, so instead of bombing their their grids and
• 53:15
  stuff and having to spend so much money later on and rebuild
• 53:18
  it, do it through the computer systems where Nas when they hit
• 53:21
  the some buttons, they do. I'm not going to say what, but
• 53:25
  they have the capabilities and they say it's easy to rebuild
• 53:28
  because you don't have to rebuild it.
• 53:29
  That infrastructure. I don't know.
• 53:32
  It seems like we're pussy with this.
• 53:34
  Stuff and the George is valid, some of the stuff that they've
• 53:37
  done and simply look, here's just three guys talking about it
• 53:40
  on a show. I think the the the narrative
• 53:43
  control could have been a much better job.
• 53:46
  Of course, when they made these civilian strikes that should
• 53:48
  have been, you know, they should have just inflated that across
• 53:50
  all media sources. They didn't do it.
• 53:52
  Missed opportunity. Iran's done an over and over
• 53:55
  again, even using footage from games to act like the USS
• 53:58
  Eisenhower was struck. They did all sorts of things and
• 54:01
  that stuff got momentum before it was immediately terminated.
• 54:04
  I don't understand why our intelligence agencies didn't
• 54:07
  stop it dead in its tracks. I can tell you why I just, I
• 54:10
  just addressed it, the OODA loop, we have a very slow system
• 54:16
  of reaction. One of the things that that the
• 54:18
  bad guys often do is they're more agile because they just do
• 54:21
  this. Just put it out there to respond
• 54:23
  to that, Lance, I can tell you that we have people as smart as
• 54:27
  you and George and me and they identified the issues just like
• 54:31
  we did, but they had to to beat, they were slowed down by the
• 54:33
  bureaucracy which requires an incremental or overview
• 54:38
  approval. So that's part of the problem
• 54:41
  with our system. We, I've seen this from counter
• 54:44
  drug counterterrorism to counter information operations.
• 54:49
  We are hobbled not by the fact we, we don't have talented
• 54:52
  people. We are hobbled by the fact
• 54:54
  they're in the system which does not approve or support ingenuity
• 54:59
  or innovation. So I, I fought this my entire
• 55:03
  career. We always were trying to figure
• 55:04
  out how to do things better and faster.
• 55:06
  And then people above us because of either rice bowls or, or, or
• 55:11
  credit, they want credit or don't want you to get credit.
• 55:14
  They get in the way of you being able to do things.
• 55:16
  And that's why most of this the most successful operation,
• 55:19
  you're just told to go do it. You tell people after the fact
• 55:22
  and get it done. And I think that's part of the
• 55:24
  system's problem right now. So we don't have people
• 55:27
  authorized to go just do what's necessary to counter those those
• 55:30
  things as rapidly as they come up you.
• 55:33
  Know I don't have the background you have.
• 55:34
  I have a different background, but of course it was always
• 55:36
  about high speed, low drag. The idea was high efficiency
• 55:40
  when it came to government contracting you, you'd move
• 55:42
  quickly and rapidly. Of course, once you were given
• 55:45
  the contract, you didn't have the bureaucracy levels to to run
• 55:48
  through. You had an outline of what the
• 55:50
  the operation was supposed to be, or at least what your
• 55:52
  involvement or role was. And there wasn't any question.
• 55:55
  And that's the difficulty. You would think that they would
• 55:56
  have a division within our intelligence agencies and our
• 55:59
  military. DoD we hear about the DIA, we
• 56:02
  hear about, you know, different operations within the CIA, but
• 56:06
  of course, there's so many approval levels, you know,
• 56:10
  exactly. And, and, and to me that's that
• 56:13
  in itself is a as a very damaging part of our current
• 56:18
  infrastructure. They don't seem to get it, but
• 56:20
  they'll go to the contractors. They'll hire government
• 56:22
  contractors for certain off the books, black operations or
• 56:25
  otherwise, because they want that deniable accountability.
• 56:28
  And you would think that they could just look at it and say,
• 56:30
  wow, they effectively did that really well.
• 56:31
  We should duplicate what they're doing at some level within our
• 56:35
  own where you don't need all these layers that there's
• 56:37
  certain approvals that are already in place.
• 56:40
  It seems to make sense. We got a clip from Donald Trump.
• 56:42
  You can see by him pursing his lips about his dissatisfaction
• 56:46
  with what occurred on this ceasefire.
• 56:48
  Let's play the clip. Yeah, I do.
• 56:58
  They violated, but Israel violated it, too.
• 57:02
  Israel, as soon as we made the deal, they came out and they
• 57:05
  dropped a load of bombs the likes of which I've never seen
• 57:08
  before. The biggest load that we've
• 57:10
  seen. I'm not happy with Israel.
• 57:12
  You know when? When I say, OK, now you have 12
• 57:14
  hours, you don't go out in the first hour and just drop
• 57:18
  everything you have on them. So I'm not happy with them.
• 57:20
  I'm not happy with Iran either. But I'm really unhappy if
• 57:24
  Israel's going out this morning because the one rocket that
• 57:27
  didn't land, that was shot perhaps by mistake, that didn't
• 57:30
  land, I'm not happy about that. You know what we have?
• 57:35
  We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long
• 57:39
  and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
• 57:42
  Do you understand that? He's right.
• 57:51
  You know he's pissed when? He says he's right.
• 57:53
  And you know, he's pissed and look, you know, I want to say
• 57:56
  that. So, you know, drawing from your
• 57:57
  experience with Abel Danger and of course, exposing 9/11
• 58:01
  intelligence shortfalls. Still lots of questions about
• 58:04
  911. But we won't get in that rabbit
• 58:06
  hole today. I have.
• 58:07
  My beliefs. I'm sure you do.
• 58:09
  We're not going to even go there.
• 58:11
  What do you think the concerning parallel parallels are?
• 58:14
  You know, you got U.S. intelligence community, they've
• 58:16
  assessed and briefed on rapid escalation with Iran, but
• 58:21
  there's these gaps, you know, proxy responses, you know, the
• 58:25
  power support, I mean, we could go on and on.
• 58:28
  How do we fix this? Because this to me is textbook
• 58:32
  of how to really go FUBAR, right?
• 58:34
  I mean, this is, you know, this is what we've got.
• 58:37
  So to, to, to you and George have framed this correctly and
• 58:40
  especially George regarding the Israeli issues.
• 58:42
  Trump just just kind of pointed out, it's like, yeah, people are
• 58:45
  not paying attention to what what is best to do right now.
• 58:49
  The reason is because as much as Trump came in with a good team,
• 58:53
  most of the bureaucracy has has basically circled the wagons and
• 58:59
  are just trying to wait him out. And I've, I've noted, I've told
• 59:03
  people on his, you know, in his inner circle several times.
• 59:06
  They're just waiting out and, and it's more rough.
• 59:09
  It's more apparent now than ever because bureaucracies after a
• 59:13
  certain point, you guys know this.
• 59:14
  I mean, you, you study all sorts of of structures.
• 59:18
  Bureaucracies after a certain amount of time become focused on
• 59:22
  self sustainment, not doing their job.
• 59:24
  So much of what you're talking about, all these secret
• 59:26
  organizations and all the CIADIA Department of War, the
• 59:31
  bureaucracies become self-serving in, in that they
• 59:35
  want to protect their rice bowls and budget.
• 59:38
  And I don't think Trump's helping by approving this $1.5
• 59:40
  trillion budget because that money, we, it didn't work.
• 59:44
  Solving education problems. Giving the Department of War
• 59:47
  more money without regard to what it's going to be used for
• 59:50
  is not necessarily wise. Just saying.
• 59:51
  And I think you, you need to once you regularize something to
• 59:56
  own. So that's what I think we're
• 59:57
  seeing right now is the systemic like, yeah, we're just going to
• 1:00:00
  hang back and not do everything we can because we don't have to,
• 1:00:03
  because we've got we've got enough money.
• 1:00:05
  We're not, we're not hungry. So.
• 1:00:07
  And the other thing is you have to put people in.
• 1:00:09
  And I, I'm doing a deep dive right now.
• 1:00:12
  Lance, I mentioned this during when you're on my show, I'm
• 1:00:14
  doing a deep dive of studying the Pacific, the Pacific
• 1:00:16
  campaign in World War Two. There were technology
• 1:00:19
  innovations. And leadership brilliance, which
• 1:00:23
  allowed for us to do amazing things like Midway.
• 1:00:26
  That battle is something that people should study.
• 1:00:30
  The whole series of decisions which allowed for us, the
• 1:00:34
  assassination of Yamato. I mean, my God, we, we had guys
• 1:00:39
  and P30 eights flying two 2 1/2 hours just above the water,
• 1:00:44
  using nothing but slide rules and pencils to figure out where
• 1:00:47
  it's going to be. And, and, and doing things in
• 1:00:50
  such a way that they had the freedom to fail.
• 1:00:52
  And so it's, it's that that combination of technology and
• 1:00:55
  innovation with people who just don't care, they're going to do
• 1:00:58
  their best that are given given the green light to do it.
• 1:01:01
  And that's what I think Trump is partly frustrated about is that
• 1:01:04
  I think he knows he has talent, but that talent is held back by
• 1:01:08
  bureaucrats who just don't care. And, and, and until he starts
• 1:01:11
  firing more of those bureaucrats to include more generals, more
• 1:01:14
  senior executives, he's going to get this tepid like kind of.
• 1:01:17
  Yeah, OK, response. And of course, the allies are
• 1:01:21
  going to take advantage of it If if Netanyahu thinks he can get
• 1:01:23
  away with this, he's going to do it again.
• 1:01:24
  Just saying. And you know, hold on.
• 1:01:27
  You said earlier that. That.
• 1:01:29
  There, I guess some military commanders over there are being
• 1:01:32
  held back. Held back by who?
• 1:01:37
  So. The system.
• 1:01:38
  So this is what happens. President Trump will give
• 1:01:41
  general guidance. It goes to the Pentagon, to the
• 1:01:44
  Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, to to to Dan Kane, General Kane and
• 1:01:47
  Pete Hegsteth. And then it goes down to the
• 1:01:49
  commands. There's a big series of events
• 1:01:53
  that happened once that guidance is given regarding operations,
• 1:01:56
  orders, operations plans and it's that and the other.
• 1:01:59
  So what happens is it gets lost. The guidance gets lost and
• 1:02:02
  interpreted, George. One of the biggest things I've
• 1:02:05
  noticed from having been on the inside is interpretation of mid
• 1:02:08
  level meters leaders. I've been in meetings with
• 1:02:11
  colonels who the general gives guidance and the Colonel below
• 1:02:16
  him misinterprets completely the guidance and I'm below the
• 1:02:20
  Colonel. Like the general didn't say
• 1:02:22
  that. It's like no, no, no, this is
• 1:02:24
  what he meant. It's like that's not what he
• 1:02:25
  meant. So that's what I'm talking
• 1:02:27
  about. You have to have a chain of
• 1:02:28
  command which allows for the the the intent to be translated down
• 1:02:32
  to those at the operational level to act.
• 1:02:35
  And I've seen this over and over where you get your career
• 1:02:38
  bureaucrats in there who basically make a living off of
• 1:02:41
  interpretation of guidance. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:02:43
  So it's pretty much system has not changed.
• 1:02:45
  So pretty much Heg, Seth and whoever's with them that are.
• 1:02:48
  Giving these commands or whatever to they're subordinates
• 1:02:52
  has to probably write them down like they're in grade school so
• 1:02:55
  they don't get misinterpreted. That's part of it.
• 1:02:57
  And of course, but shouldn't. They be double checking like
• 1:03:00
  shouldn't they see them? Well, wait a minute, I gave.
• 1:03:02
  This instructive, but they're doing it differently.
• 1:03:06
  Yes and no. You don't have time in real time
• 1:03:08
  to go back and check. Everything, remember, this is a
• 1:03:10
  huge enterprise. The, the, the Pentagon is the
• 1:03:13
  largest single enterprise, I believe on the planet just
• 1:03:16
  because of the scope of, of, of mission resources and personnel.
• 1:03:21
  So you don't have the ability to go back and check every single
• 1:03:25
  circuit. Basically you have, you have
• 1:03:27
  big, you know, it's like, it's, look at it like an electronic
• 1:03:31
  tree. You know, of, of, of power.
• 1:03:34
  You've got big old Transformers which have to basically you, you
• 1:03:37
  send power through and you have circuits down below it.
• 1:03:39
  You don't have time to go back and check all the circuits.
• 1:03:41
  There'll be some of that going on right now during the
• 1:03:43
  ceasefire. The other thing is you have you
• 1:03:46
  have CIA and you have Department of State outside the control of
• 1:03:49
  the Pentagon. And I've seen this movie a lot
• 1:03:52
  where I was dealing advising Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Joe
• 1:03:54
  Dunford when he was chairman and he would want something that the
• 1:03:58
  Pentagon would want to do and State Department would go
• 1:04:00
  against it. So this is not as a State
• 1:04:02
  Department or CIA. So this this is another issue
• 1:04:05
  where you don't necessarily have unanimity, uniformity of action
• 1:04:09
  regarding the different domains within the government.
• 1:04:11
  And CIA does have a vote not and I don't always like like and of
• 1:04:14
  course you got Tulsi over there, Tulsi Gabbard and DNI trying to
• 1:04:18
  referee as well. So even if you have the best
• 1:04:21
  intentions of leaders at that level, unless you have people
• 1:04:24
  who can act with impunity and effectiveness, you're going to
• 1:04:27
  have delays which don't allow you to get ahead of things.
• 1:04:29
  And that's what we're seeing. We're seeing a delay in being
• 1:04:32
  able to react to opportunities based on the fact that, that we
• 1:04:36
  just don't, we're not as far as I can tell, set up to act
• 1:04:40
  effectively in response to opportunities.
• 1:04:43
  And you know you, you brought up midway, you know 1.
• 1:04:45
  Of the big successes in Midway, the bureaucracy didn't hold or
• 1:04:49
  control, I guess our US technological and intelligence
• 1:04:53
  innovations. When they broke the Japanese, I
• 1:04:55
  think the JN 25, the naval code, which was one of the big winning
• 1:04:59
  moments was of course allowed us to organize our ambushes knew
• 1:05:02
  what they we knew what they knew.
• 1:05:04
  But that's because they weren't answering that that the the the
• 1:05:07
  code breaking division literally was running independently their
• 1:05:10
  job and passed that intelligence down rapidly.
• 1:05:13
  You know, we have the ability, but the problem is we built this
• 1:05:17
  system that just so fucked up from the inside out.
• 1:05:20
  Too many people that want to have, you know, too many chefs
• 1:05:23
  in the kitchen. Let's talk about Russia and
• 1:05:24
  China. They've been accused of
• 1:05:27
  providing lots. Of various forms of.
• 1:05:29
  Support to Iran, but you know now and we're seeing that right,
• 1:05:34
  that there, there seems to be this support from Iran in many
• 1:05:37
  ways. George made a comment that I
• 1:05:38
  thought was right over the target the other day about
• 1:05:41
  giving them two weeks is just going to allow them to rebuild
• 1:05:44
  some of their military infrastructure.
• 1:05:47
  Of course, who knows how many materials are coming in for
• 1:05:50
  their drones. They've been very successful
• 1:05:52
  with their drones. And of course, I think we
• 1:05:55
  underestimated the tunnel structure, how deep it was.
• 1:05:59
  We thought our bunker Busters could get into it, that maybe
• 1:06:02
  they could do a jackhammer with bunker Busters that they have to
• 1:06:04
  drop, you know, 5 or 6 in a row timed and, and maybe that would
• 1:06:08
  breakthrough. We've seen some of the pictures.
• 1:06:10
  But how about NATO? I haven't been a big fan of NATO
• 1:06:13
  or the UN for a very long time. We've got Spain telling us we
• 1:06:18
  can't use their airspace. We've got Italy tell us we can't
• 1:06:21
  use our bases, man. Is it time for NATO?
• 1:06:24
  I mean, is it just time to tell them to just go fuck themselves
• 1:06:27
  is how I feel about it. It seems like we keep putting
• 1:06:30
  all the money in and then when we need them, they justify all
• 1:06:34
  the reasons of why they can't be there.
• 1:06:36
  Yeah, so on the Russia and. China thing, yeah, they've been.
• 1:06:41
  There's no way Iran could have hit the targets in Bahrain,
• 1:06:46
  Saudi Arabia and Iraq without Russian intelligence.
• 1:06:50
  So there's no doubt that the Russians were providing them
• 1:06:52
  intelligence there. You know, it is what it is.
• 1:06:54
  I look, we've been providing Ukraine intelligence to strike
• 1:06:58
  Russia. So I'm not saying it's
• 1:07:00
  justified. I'm saying it's kind of both
• 1:07:02
  sides doing it against the other.
• 1:07:04
  So I'm the I, I mean, it is what it is.
• 1:07:06
  I, I don't want to I'm not commenting politically.
• 1:07:07
  I'm commenting commenting realistically.
• 1:07:09
  It is what it is. And the Chinese have been trying
• 1:07:12
  to provide to a land route, by the way, via, you know, I don't
• 1:07:16
  know if people know this. You can actually send things via
• 1:07:19
  land from China via the, the, the Khyber pass all the way
• 1:07:25
  through Afghanistan into Iran. So it's, it's happening.
• 1:07:28
  And, and I don't, I don't think we're doing much to stop it.
• 1:07:31
  Just saying I another reason I don't think we should have given
• 1:07:33
  up our base at Bagram, just saying.
• 1:07:37
  So it's, it's an issue that I think it's something worth
• 1:07:40
  talking about some other day maybe.
• 1:07:43
  But on to the, the, the, the question of of the, the support
• 1:07:50
  that we have to react to at this point.
• 1:07:53
  I think there's issues that relate to how we need to deal
• 1:07:58
  with China and Russia. And Trump said we're going to
• 1:08:00
  deal with them on this. It's it's going to be something
• 1:08:02
  that that will come up. I don't think Trump appreciates
• 1:08:06
  the fact that, you know, we're in conflict and he's going to
• 1:08:09
  deal with them. But more close to him is NATO.
• 1:08:11
  So we United States give 70% of NATO's funding comes from US70.
• 1:08:18
  That's a lot of money. And we're right now rebuilding.
• 1:08:23
  As a matter of fact, I'm going to a commissioning of AUS Navy
• 1:08:26
  new destroyer, the USS Harvey C Barnum Junior this Saturday.
• 1:08:32
  It's a DD DG124 at a Aegis, a cruiser destroyer.
• 1:08:38
  And we're now contemplating a $65 billion plus up in
• 1:08:43
  shipbuilding, which is I think in our interest.
• 1:08:45
  We, if so, we need to build up our naval, naval forces and
• 1:08:50
  that's, that's what we're doing. But when you think about it, in
• 1:08:52
  contrast to giving that money, should we give it to our ability
• 1:08:55
  to build things or give it to NATO?
• 1:08:57
  Because if it goes to NATO, it just goes to a boys club.
• 1:09:00
  NATO is now a social organization without any real
• 1:09:03
  forces. The British have like 7 cruisers
• 1:09:06
  and they can't use any of them. I mean, they, they, they, they
• 1:09:10
  couldn't actually muster any, any support for us even if they
• 1:09:12
  wanted to. And every other NATO nation is
• 1:09:15
  no different. There's no military teeth to
• 1:09:18
  NATO, nothing. So when, when we talk of and
• 1:09:22
  Mark Ruta is was in Washington yesterday.
• 1:09:24
  I, I'm, I'm curious why there's been no disclosure of what
• 1:09:26
  happened in those meetings. By the way, it's like a black
• 1:09:29
  hole. I can't find anything.
• 1:09:30
  A black hole. I agree.
• 1:09:31
  It's like nothing. I mean, I'm not nobody said
• 1:09:34
  anything about what happened in those meetings.
• 1:09:36
  Why? Why do we even give 70% to for?
• 1:09:39
  NATO's budget because we NATO used to be an.
• 1:09:43
  Extension of us because NATO would do what we wanted it.
• 1:09:46
  We don't do it anymore. It has become very yeah.
• 1:09:48
  It's become very resistant to do.
• 1:09:50
  Anything but that we we're not, we're not required right to give
• 1:09:53
  70%. So we're not required to do
• 1:09:56
  anything? We can walk out of the Treaty,
• 1:09:57
  no? And but that's the sense,
• 1:10:00
  George, the NATO's become. Essentially a money.
• 1:10:03
  Money laundering organization that takes our money and gives
• 1:10:07
  it to European countries 100%. Yeah, that's all.
• 1:10:10
  It's money laundering. Operation, we're not getting
• 1:10:12
  the. Benefits if we're going to be.
• 1:10:13
  Told we can't use our bases, we can't use NATO allies airspace.
• 1:10:19
  To me, it's a time, it's time to get to cut NATO off at its
• 1:10:23
  knees, you know, because look, this the ceasefire and you know,
• 1:10:27
  we heard the reports of all the depleted interceptor missile
• 1:10:29
  stockpiles, Iranian drones and missile barrages.
• 1:10:33
  I think that they were looking at the two week as an
• 1:10:35
  opportunity because Iran's had a history of lying to us.
• 1:10:38
  They've manipulated many presidents previously.
• 1:10:41
  So they, they, they're going to do one thing.
• 1:10:42
  It's happened over 40 years that they've been doing this.
• 1:10:45
  I think it was one of the biggest mistakes.
• 1:10:48
  But look, you know, I I guess we have to ask ourself what's going
• 1:10:51
  to be next here. Let's, let's, I want to ask them
• 1:10:54
  something about a ship real quick.
• 1:10:55
  Oh yeah, the ship's going. To get commissioned.
• 1:10:57
  They're looking to build more ships.
• 1:10:58
  I hope they don't build them the way they whoever the engineers
• 1:11:02
  that designed the plumbing for the Gerald Ford.
• 1:11:05
  I mean seriously, you're talking about these engineers doing well
• 1:11:10
  that or computer systems, CAD doing calculations.
• 1:11:13
  How did they screw that up? So let me address this
• 1:11:16
  embarrassing. So my fiance is a, is a naval
• 1:11:20
  officer. She's been on these ships.
• 1:11:22
  She's a nurse, not a, not a surface warfare officer.
• 1:11:24
  I'll I'll say that, but let me let me talk.
• 1:11:27
  The all Navy ships have problems with plumbing.
• 1:11:30
  It's true. I bet they do every ship because
• 1:11:32
  there's just any number of things that could go wrong.
• 1:11:34
  It's a very complex thing. And the, the one the ship I'm
• 1:11:37
  talking about is actually a, a proven model.
• 1:11:40
  The ages cruiser, which I would argue is almost too old to be
• 1:11:44
  replicated, comes out of the out of the 90s.
• 1:11:47
  It's an old design, but it's it's reliable.
• 1:11:49
  So this is not any different than any other.
• 1:11:51
  It's it's like one of the latest blocks.
• 1:11:53
  Yeah, it's it's and these things are plentiful.
• 1:11:56
  These this is our our front line ship and we're we're building
• 1:11:59
  more of them. The Ford is apparently a
• 1:12:03
  experimental design where they've actually taken I think,
• 1:12:06
  I think the Ford was the first aircraft carrier there.
• 1:12:08
  They removed the steam, steam catapults with with electric
• 1:12:14
  catapults. The basically the the basically
• 1:12:16
  they use railgun technology. Yeah, electrical launch
• 1:12:19
  aircraft. So there's a it's it's it's kind
• 1:12:22
  of a different design than the other aircraft carriers.
• 1:12:24
  So I think some of this is they're just kind kind of work
• 1:12:28
  out the details. But I I'm one of those you got
• 1:12:30
  to calculate the size of the pipes to, you know, that go.
• 1:12:33
  Out I'm just telling it well, there's always another factor
• 1:12:36
  that I. Don't basically some of these
• 1:12:38
  folks get upset and they start doing self sabotage.
• 1:12:40
  I'm not saying it happened here, but there's been acts of
• 1:12:43
  sabotage about the system being sabotaged, about individuals
• 1:12:46
  that were. Unhappy about going into Iran.
• 1:12:49
  That happened at the bond home, Richard.
• 1:12:50
  That's why we how we lost the whole a.
• 1:12:52
  Whole ship. Some guy started the fire in the
• 1:12:53
  bond home, Richard. Next thing you know, the whole
• 1:12:55
  thing's gone. Yeah.
• 1:12:57
  And they got some rumors about it.
• 1:12:59
  I don't know what's true. There were some stories about.
• 1:13:01
  Them flushing, you know, clothing and other debris down
• 1:13:05
  the system to block it. I don't know, you know, I don't
• 1:13:08
  know that can happen. And I and I can tell you this
• 1:13:10
  the. People get disgruntled.
• 1:13:12
  The Ford was out for a long time.
• 1:13:15
  These things, these cruisers stretch on and on and on.
• 1:13:18
  Especially right now we're in combat.
• 1:13:20
  So I can tell you people get upset, especially since some of
• 1:13:23
  these folks are still in the woke Navy, so to speak.
• 1:13:26
  The all the woke folks aren't out yet.
• 1:13:28
  Some of those folks got in and they're still in there, you
• 1:13:30
  know, causing trouble. So, you know, I mean, I think
• 1:13:33
  any new ship they build, they should take it out for.
• 1:13:35
  Testron, with all the sailors in there usually, like, you know,
• 1:13:39
  you're going to use it in wartime, whatever the bathrooms,
• 1:13:42
  just to make sure, like interesting stuff.
• 1:13:47
  Let me switch. Gears here a little bit, but
• 1:13:48
  there's been some interesting. Stuff coming out of North Korea,
• 1:13:51
  South Korea and Taiwan, you know that there was of course we saw
• 1:13:55
  North Korea fire multiple ballistic missiles, but now
• 1:13:58
  we've had some in person meetings.
• 1:14:00
  What do you think's going on there?
• 1:14:01
  Because of course, Taiwan just met with the, you know, the
• 1:14:04
  North Korean leadership. South Korea had an interesting
• 1:14:08
  meeting. What do you what do you think?
• 1:14:09
  What is going on with the opposition leader from Taiwan?
• 1:14:13
  Met is meeting with XI. Jinping right now.
• 1:14:15
  Well, yesterday, I think today too.
• 1:14:17
  What do you think? What do you think is going on
• 1:14:18
  over there? Are they all looking at this?
• 1:14:20
  Opportunity. Why We're distracted with
• 1:14:22
  Ukraine and Israel and Iran. Do you think they're taking this
• 1:14:25
  as opportunity, that there's something going on behind the
• 1:14:27
  scenes that the American public needs the CCP, China.
• 1:14:31
  China is in bad. Shape economically, they they've
• 1:14:33
  got Evergrand and all these other.
• 1:14:34
  You guys know this better than me.
• 1:14:36
  You guys are the economy guys. Yeah, we know a lot about it
• 1:14:39
  because of course we're connected.
• 1:14:40
  We get a. Lot of information out of the
• 1:14:41
  Yeah, I mean, you know what, a basket case, China.
• 1:14:45
  You know, China, communist China is so they're they're distracted
• 1:14:48
  internally. With that said, North Korea has
• 1:14:50
  got its own issues. Little rocket man is trying, I
• 1:14:54
  think to get attention again because, you know, I think he
• 1:14:57
  wants to have Trump do something to help them.
• 1:15:00
  And I don't know what that is, but I think that the fact is
• 1:15:02
  they're distracted. One of the underreported
• 1:15:05
  stories, gentlemen, which I think we, you know, I've talked
• 1:15:08
  about a lot, most of North, most of Iran's nuclear technology,
• 1:15:13
  their knowledge came from North Korea.
• 1:15:14
  They've had a relationship for decades basically where they've
• 1:15:18
  worked together on this stuff. And, and I think they've they've
• 1:15:21
  been giving them advice. Some of their long range
• 1:15:24
  ballistic missiles are direct copies of of North Korean
• 1:15:27
  ballistic missiles. Just saying.
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  So I, I think it's something that's been under reported and I
• 1:15:32
  think there's some, I think the, the Korea also supplied their
• 1:15:34
  centrifuge. Bearing, sire.
• 1:15:36
  Yeah, yeah, probably. Yeah.
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  So I think there's there's a lot of issues.
• 1:15:41
  Relating to to that's. That's not been fully reported.
• 1:15:44
  The other thing that that we tend to to ignore at our own
• 1:15:48
  peril is the fact that China is is seen as as kind of the big
• 1:15:52
  daddy of North Korea. But North Korea doesn't always
• 1:15:55
  appreciate that. So they sometimes act on their
• 1:15:57
  own. And right now, while China is
• 1:15:59
  internally distracted, North North Korea may well kind of see
• 1:16:02
  this as an opportunity to kind of stretch its legs a little
• 1:16:05
  bit. The danger is this.
• 1:16:06
  Both Japan and South Korea are within a, a few weeks or a few
• 1:16:12
  months of their own nuclear weapons.
• 1:16:14
  That is to say, and we kind of know this and look the other
• 1:16:16
  way, especially Japan. Japan has been able to establish
• 1:16:21
  to their own system of, of, of reactors and refinement enough
• 1:16:27
  highly enriched, highly enriched uranium to put together weapons
• 1:16:31
  pretty quick and have a potential to use them.
• 1:16:33
  So they, they're these our allies, trust us, but only trust
• 1:16:37
  us so far and that they're prepared to act on their own if
• 1:16:39
  we, if we can't protect them using our nuclear umbrella.
• 1:16:42
  So especially, especially South Korea and, and China, I mean,
• 1:16:46
  especially good in Japan have have actually kind of invested
• 1:16:48
  in their own protection in this regard.
• 1:16:50
  So right now, I don't think we're, we're paying as much
• 1:16:54
  attention as we should to that region.
• 1:16:56
  It's something we should get back on top of.
• 1:16:59
  I'm just switching because like we lost Lance, I'm going to do.
• 1:17:01
  Something real quick, I'm going to put you here.
• 1:17:03
  I'll change your lower 1/3. I know what Happy lost his
• 1:17:06
  connection. Happens tech, right?
• 1:17:08
  Yeah, happens my technology. It's the CIA.
• 1:17:11
  They don't want us talking, Tony.
• 1:17:13
  I'm sure that's true, I'm telling you.
• 1:17:16
  That's what happens. But look.
• 1:17:20
  This I mean. We go back to Iran, I mean.
• 1:17:23
  You I don't see an issue with Japan having nuclear weapons.
• 1:17:25
  I mean, there are I don't either at this point.
• 1:17:27
  They become very, very a. Very good ally.
• 1:17:29
  Yeah, I agree. South Korea.
• 1:17:31
  I mean, as long as North Korea don't take over and take them.
• 1:17:35
  Yeah, that would be the problem. But you know.
• 1:17:37
  What are you going to do? Yeah, I mean, so that's if you
• 1:17:41
  have presidents like Biden. Anybody like him or Kamala
• 1:17:44
  Harris? I would if I was Japan, North
• 1:17:46
  Korea, I would worry too shit if I'm going to be protected
• 1:17:51
  because they they don't. Could you imagine Kamala Harris
• 1:17:53
  won? No, I can't because it'd.
• 1:17:57
  Be we'd be at war. In ways that we could not win,
• 1:18:01
  we would be victimized by the fact that they would continue to
• 1:18:03
  destroy the integrity and readiness of our military.
• 1:18:07
  That's what was going on. By the way, George, many of our
• 1:18:11
  capabilities are being degraded because of of basically the the
• 1:18:15
  DEI nonsense. Basically, you're putting people
• 1:18:17
  in charge and Pete Hegseth has fired a number of those folks
• 1:18:21
  who are basing command decisions on who you sleep with, the color
• 1:18:26
  of your skin or the, the, the general direction of your
• 1:18:30
  personality. So it it's it was not a good,
• 1:18:33
  good mix. So all right, we're going to get
• 1:18:36
  into your books, but I have a question.
• 1:18:37
  I've been waiting. To ask you this, who do you want
• 1:18:39
  to see as AG? Wow.
• 1:18:43
  Hermie Dillon. I know a little bit.
• 1:18:45
  I like her. Ed Martin.
• 1:18:47
  I think Ed Martin would be spectacular.
• 1:18:50
  You think so? Because he's not doing much
• 1:18:52
  where he's at right now. Because he can't.
• 1:18:54
  I've talked to folks on the inside, George.
• 1:18:57
  They're a lot of these guys want to do stuff and they're being
• 1:18:59
  held back. They were being held back by Pam
• 1:19:02
  so and I so I was talking was Pam being held back by Susan
• 1:19:06
  Wiles? See, that's the question.
• 1:19:08
  I don't know, I. Heard that like I heard.
• 1:19:11
  I I mean. She's a bad apple.
• 1:19:15
  I've heard that too. And I don't know.
• 1:19:17
  I I don't have enough access. To the people who report to her,
• 1:19:20
  I can just tell you the people I talked to with Department of of
• 1:19:23
  Justice and former federal prosecutors that they had
• 1:19:27
  planned a number of things that Pam Bondi would not let him do.
• 1:19:31
  And I don't know, this is another thing which someone just
• 1:19:34
  got to do it. It's like you got to go in there
• 1:19:35
  and just do it no matter what the, you know, holding back
• 1:19:37
  didn't do any good. So I think going the other way
• 1:19:40
  may be better. So I mean, I'd like.
• 1:19:44
  To see maybe Sydney Powell. I know Sydney.
• 1:19:47
  I think Sydney would be great. Yeah.
• 1:19:48
  But again. She's got to be given the
• 1:19:50
  freedom to go do what's necessary and not held back.
• 1:19:53
  And that's, I think that's been one of the issues.
• 1:19:55
  So yeah, I mean, she got cleared.
• 1:19:59
  She knows, you know, she's been in military court, she's smart,
• 1:20:03
  she knows about the elections and all that stuff.
• 1:20:06
  Listen if any. Who knows?
• 1:20:08
  What's going on between? Like they have what, over 130
• 1:20:11
  subpoenas in that grand jury in Florida, South Florida, by the
• 1:20:14
  time they get through all them, it's going to be a few, probably
• 1:20:17
  a few years. You ain't going to hear nothing
• 1:20:18
  from that case. But see this we have.
• 1:20:23
  A large Department of Justice which is not being utilized.
• 1:20:26
  I mean, there, there are clear and compelling region reasons
• 1:20:31
  for us to go after those who were implicated in the Russia
• 1:20:35
  collusion hoax. And there's other issues
• 1:20:37
  regarding the targeting of just individuals that that has not
• 1:20:41
  been addressed. And I don't know why we're
• 1:20:43
  talking a almost a year and a half in that nobody of any
• 1:20:47
  magnitude has been prosecuted, let alone convicted.
• 1:20:50
  It's it to me, it's insane. And, and there's there's clear
• 1:20:52
  evidence because I know some of this from the you know, Tulsi
• 1:20:55
  Gabbard has made disclosures and recommendations for prosecution
• 1:20:59
  based on fact, and yet nobody's acted on that, which to me is
• 1:21:02
  unconscionable. Yeah, she's she's I like Tulsi.
• 1:21:04
  She's done some great work. You.
• 1:21:06
  Know, but and, you know you'll see influencers that are are
• 1:21:10
  going after her there's a lot of bad shit going on between
• 1:21:13
  conservative influencers and, you know I don't know I try to
• 1:21:17
  stay out of it yeah, I try to stay out of it.
• 1:21:18
  I stay out of it too. Look our good friend Rodger
• 1:21:21
  Stone, he's going to he's battling head to head with
• 1:21:23
  Loomer. Loomer's been attacking a lot of
• 1:21:25
  people. Lance I see you.
• 1:21:26
  I'll get you in a second and you know, it's just they're just
• 1:21:32
  constantly. Attacking each other.
• 1:21:34
  Look at Alex Jones just talked yesterday about 25th and
• 1:21:38
  Amendment Trump. I saw that.
• 1:21:41
  Yeah. What the hell is going on?
• 1:21:43
  So I. Yeah, I, I.
• 1:21:45
  I try to stay out of that. I was, I was on an interview the
• 1:21:48
  other day and they try to get me to jump into.
• 1:21:51
  It's like I'm not jumping into the Civil War.
• 1:21:52
  It's not my interest. My interest is to continue to do
• 1:21:55
  what we do, talk about what's going on and try to interpret
• 1:21:58
  things, not to jump into some sort of stupid, you know,
• 1:22:02
  pissing contest between influencers.
• 1:22:03
  It just, it's just counterproductive as far as I'm
• 1:22:05
  concerned. So no, yeah.
• 1:22:08
  But yeah, I'm. Looking at OK, someone's being
• 1:22:11
  paid to to create all this chaos and division 'cause they want
• 1:22:16
  us, they want us divided. Yep.
• 1:22:18
  And people are just. I mean, they're not.
• 1:22:20
  People are either blind. To it or not seeing it, it's
• 1:22:23
  it's out of control. It really is.
• 1:22:25
  And well, the midterms and chaos is a tool.
• 1:22:28
  If the midterms work tomorrow, we'd be I think we're screwed.
• 1:22:30
  Regardless for. The midterms My my opinion is
• 1:22:34
  the midterms. Are shot without a massive.
• 1:22:37
  Amount of what I would consider, I guess we can give them a
• 1:22:39
  title. Deep state arrest.
• 1:22:40
  We were promised. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:22:42
  We were promised transparency. Accountability and consequences.
• 1:22:46
  If, if, if any of the three of us had committed the majority of
• 1:22:49
  these crimes. I don't care whether it's The
• 1:22:50
  Dirty 51 + 8, the Russian collusion hoax, the Seth Rich
• 1:22:54
  laptop, and and many other topics.
• 1:22:57
  We can. We can, Epstein, we Our doors
• 1:23:01
  have already been. Kicked in.
• 1:23:02
  We would. Have got the flash bangs they
• 1:23:03
  would have kicked our dogs they would have threatened our
• 1:23:06
  families we'd be sitting in there wait with the initial
• 1:23:08
  indictment and then being threatened with the superseding
• 1:23:11
  indictment with you know a lifetime of imprisonment you
• 1:23:15
  know the system is it's selective right it's selective
• 1:23:18
  prosecution. George and I touched on this.
• 1:23:20
  It's it's not equal application of law or the rule of law.
• 1:23:23
  It's basically they decide what they're going to do.
• 1:23:26
  And I and I don't know what happened.
• 1:23:28
  I thought that I thought we were going to get a different result
• 1:23:30
  out of Cash Patel. I thought, well, Lance, I was
• 1:23:33
  just going to say you, you missed it because you were.
• 1:23:35
  Getting your video? Fixed so I asked him who would
• 1:23:36
  he like to see for AAG and he said I heard it Oh, you did
• 1:23:40
  Eagle Head Martin. Yeah.
• 1:23:41
  Yeah. So, you know, it's conveniently
• 1:23:45
  so conveniently Pam now does not have to I think they she doesn't
• 1:23:50
  have to attend those those hearings on the Epstein files
• 1:23:53
  because she's not the AG anymore.
• 1:23:55
  How come? So I talked with Lance about
• 1:23:58
  this the other day on on. My show, I think the reason
• 1:24:00
  they're doing this and I don't I don't why she doesn't want to
• 1:24:02
  talk about it. Epstein was an intelligence
• 1:24:05
  asset of MI 6 Mossad and CIA and, and but Kash Patel and
• 1:24:10
  everybody else will tell you no, it's not Tony.
• 1:24:12
  We know that. But go ahead, I know, I know.
• 1:24:14
  Well, there's reasons why and I. I'm disappointed like you guys
• 1:24:18
  are in that because I can see the outline.
• 1:24:19
  Well, I can't. I have no direct access to those
• 1:24:22
  files. I know what those things look
• 1:24:24
  like. It's like, yeah, I've seen this
• 1:24:26
  movie before. I know what happens.
• 1:24:27
  And they were using him, especially with look at look at
• 1:24:30
  the contacts he had. There's no way he could have
• 1:24:34
  maintained the contacts with the controversy surrounding him
• 1:24:38
  without some level of official state sponsorship again.
• 1:24:42
  And he was even bragging in some of those notes about being in a
• 1:24:45
  skiff, which is a secure intelligence facility, getting
• 1:24:48
  briefings. He says this.
• 1:24:50
  He said it to, to to what? Oh my God.
• 1:24:57
  Steve Bannon. Yes, Yep, the dialogue.
• 1:25:01
  Was clear even in the. Florida.
• 1:25:03
  Case It was clear that he was a confidential informant.
• 1:25:06
  Well, Lebanon. Pam Bondi was attorney general
• 1:25:11
  in Florida. When that was going on, of
• 1:25:12
  course, and the technology they pulled out of the brownstone.
• 1:25:16
  In New York out of the West Palm Beach, FL location out of the
• 1:25:20
  New Mexico property and even Lillian there's been lots of
• 1:25:24
  leaks about it was Israeli driven technology that the the
• 1:25:28
  software that was operating behind the scenes was supplied
• 1:25:31
  by the Israelis. We know about the connection to
• 1:25:34
  Mossad with Maxwell and her father.
• 1:25:37
  It's clear it was there. They don't seem to want to let
• 1:25:40
  it out. But I that you know the problem
• 1:25:42
  being that we were told something else.
• 1:25:46
  We were told during the campaign that if if we all got together
• 1:25:49
  and call us Magar, call us patriots, whatever.
• 1:25:52
  And we made sure he was back in the White House.
• 1:25:54
  He was once and for all going to drain the swamp.
• 1:25:57
  It's going to happen. There would be no coming back
• 1:25:59
  this time that so many high-ranking individuals, and I
• 1:26:02
  don't care what we're talking about, Ray Brennan, Clapper,
• 1:26:05
  comedy, you know, Obama, Clinton, you name it, the list
• 1:26:09
  just goes on and on and on. We thought they were all going
• 1:26:11
  to be wrapped up, that they were going to be arrested and they
• 1:26:14
  were. We were going to clear it out.
• 1:26:16
  And I'm going to say this, I've gone on the line, I'll put my
• 1:26:18
  reputation line. We absolutely will not win the
• 1:26:22
  midterms unless there is a massive amount of arrests and
• 1:26:25
  I'm talking about hundreds of individuals.
• 1:26:27
  They just get snatched up in the dark.
• 1:26:30
  I don't care whether you use special operators or you use
• 1:26:32
  special task force and these people just get snatched up and
• 1:26:36
  their voices just don't get allowed to go into the public.
• 1:26:38
  They're not given, you know, self surrender.
• 1:26:41
  They're not given preferred, you know, bond terms.
• 1:26:45
  But they are snatched up and stuck.
• 1:26:47
  And I don't care whether you want to use Guantanamo.
• 1:26:49
  I'm not even sure legally that's available.
• 1:26:51
  But let's just say that it was and that's it.
• 1:26:53
  If for me, the the military tribunal is 3 days, the the the
• 1:26:58
  connection to treason, seditious conspiracy, it's available.
• 1:27:02
  The laws are on the books. These people violated their
• 1:27:05
  trust. They they weaponized the system
• 1:27:08
  from all ends. But I look, it's not going to
• 1:27:11
  happen. We all know that.
• 1:27:12
  I'm trying to give you a position, Tony.
• 1:27:16
  I I asked for what I so. He asked me what I wanted.
• 1:27:21
  He gave it to Devin Nunez instead.
• 1:27:22
  So I was like, OK, well, I guess I don't need to go in.
• 1:27:24
  Devin. I I I wanted to be on the pithy
• 1:27:26
  ad, the President's Intelligence Advisory Board.
• 1:27:30
  So yeah, I'm not. I'm not.
• 1:27:33
  That's hell you. Know could have made another
• 1:27:35
  secret. I don't trust Radcliffe.
• 1:27:38
  Nunes is busy. Still running true social.
• 1:27:40
  I don't think that the job that he's, you know, supposedly been
• 1:27:44
  put in place. Well, I can tell you what Nunes
• 1:27:46
  is doing would be a lot different.
• 1:27:47
  Than what I would have done, just saying my, my vision for
• 1:27:49
  that is a lot different. And so to your point, I wanted
• 1:27:54
  to go in and do things like you're talking about.
• 1:27:56
  I, my problem is that I've seen senior intelligence officers,
• 1:28:01
  you mentioned the 51 + 8. Those people ought to be mostly
• 1:28:04
  in jail, especially Brennan and Clapper.
• 1:28:06
  And I know Clapper directly. I know in person.
• 1:28:08
  And the moment you politicize your, your background and
• 1:28:13
  access, you basically negate your, your oath of office.
• 1:28:16
  That's why I look at it. And they, they took a political
• 1:28:18
  position which was meant to do damage to our, our, the, the
• 1:28:23
  integrity of elections. They're Republic.
• 1:28:25
  They're political prostitutes. Yeah, political.
• 1:28:28
  So. If you're looking for military
• 1:28:30
  leadership, I'm looking for pipe hitters with.
• 1:28:32
  Brains, but that's if I was Donald Trump, that's what I
• 1:28:35
  would have surrounded myself with this second administration
• 1:28:38
  and I would have made very clear I don't expect anybody because
• 1:28:42
  I've been I've heard a lot of rumors like Susie Wiles example
• 1:28:46
  that that are holding back people allegedly from doing
• 1:28:49
  their jobs. And that's the difficulty.
• 1:28:51
  I expected much different. And I guess I'm naive.
• 1:28:54
  I'm naive. I don't have the experience you
• 1:28:55
  have. You know, I've always thought,
• 1:28:57
  you know, if you're going to do the job, you do it to the best
• 1:28:59
  of your ability and the consequences should be swift.
• 1:29:03
  Or violations of United States statutes for violations against
• 1:29:07
  national security. But that doesn't appear to be
• 1:29:10
  the issue. They'd rather they'd rather
• 1:29:12
  continue to do cover ups and hide things.
• 1:29:14
  I'm disappointed by all of it. I don't you know, again, I just
• 1:29:18
  thought you know what would be good AG.
• 1:29:19
  I've been rakely. Yeah, put him in.
• 1:29:24
  I don't know, I. Have my own.
• 1:29:26
  Theory, I know just Ivans a little over the top, yeah, but
• 1:29:30
  put it I know I'm Ivan. Yeah, you're being.
• 1:29:33
  He's just a little over the yeah, but you know what put him
• 1:29:35
  to the test? Only shaper as AG.
• 1:29:38
  And and he can. Put me on a task force.
• 1:29:40
  I just need that presidential immunity letter.
• 1:29:41
  I can promise you that under the cloak of night time, I would be
• 1:29:46
  happy to go and kick in some doors.
• 1:29:48
  I don't like what they did to Donald Trump.
• 1:29:50
  I don't like what they did to Michael.
• 1:29:51
  No, I, I. So this is Rodgers on that
• 1:29:53
  point. Lance, on that point, I can't
• 1:29:56
  believe Trump is not more personally invested in going
• 1:29:59
  after all this. They almost murdered him three
• 1:30:01
  times. Yeah.
• 1:30:02
  How do you not take that person more than that?
• 1:30:04
  From what I've heard there might even be more than that, but.
• 1:30:06
  Let's face it, the other day they gave Mike Flynn a
• 1:30:09
  settlement of 1.25 million. That's what a fucking joke.
• 1:30:13
  Ridiculous what they did to his reputation.
• 1:30:15
  And I don't know whether or not he's going to be allowed to file
• 1:30:17
  a Bivins or a 1983 or a Civil Rights Act.
• 1:30:21
  I mean, they violated his rights.
• 1:30:22
  The DOJ has got lots of bad apples still in their
• 1:30:25
  department. Again, I want to go after
• 1:30:28
  everybody. Me personally, I would have been
• 1:30:30
  snatching up people from Congress in the middle of the
• 1:30:32
  night. Insider trading, mortgage fraud,
• 1:30:36
  lying to the United States public.
• 1:30:38
  These operations are clear. You and I see it.
• 1:30:40
  I mean, I, I do. We do.
• 1:30:42
  I don't get it. We know it's happening.
• 1:30:45
  But of course. When you can, when you can
• 1:30:46
  operate with complete immunity and complete impunity and don't,
• 1:30:50
  there aren't any consequences. Like I said to you, I think I
• 1:30:52
  said it on your show, why does a dog lick his balls?
• 1:30:55
  Because he can. Yeah, you know, but but that's
• 1:30:58
  the thing too, Lance. We can and we're not.
• 1:31:01
  And that's my issue right now. You're not.
• 1:31:02
  He's not putting people in the positions to go do this stuff
• 1:31:05
  with impunity and I don't understand why.
• 1:31:07
  I mean, maybe this is a Sarah Wiles issue, I don't know.
• 1:31:10
  But they need to get their active.
• 1:31:12
  Is he being ill advised? I mean, look, I think he's been
• 1:31:14
  if you look. At people got good positions.
• 1:31:16
  Look at Jeanine. Pirro she was.
• 1:31:17
  Very out judge Jeanine Pirro, very outspoken when she was on.
• 1:31:20
  I know Jeanine Cash Patel, we had him on his show.
• 1:31:23
  He's got. His book Government.
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  Gangsters. He's laid it out.
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  He says he needs a good US attorney in DC.
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  He's got 1 Dan Bongino and all them just big disappointments.
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  I mean, Dan Bongino left less than a year being being there is
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  does that really putting up a fight to try to get shit done?
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  I don't I say no, but I don't know.
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  Look, I I flamed out in my career.
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  So I I went down. Swinging.
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  So I don't know what to tell you.
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  So yeah. And and then Tony, that's the
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  Several people you included that come on a short list for me of
• 1:31:54
  people that I would have put in and I would have just said,
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  look, here's your letter, go to work and just tell me what you
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  get done. You know, 'cause I think you
• 1:32:01
  need that kind of operational behavior when it comes to cause.
• 1:32:05
  Of course, we've all, you know, we've all seen evil eye to eye
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  and and you know, you can't fix it.
• 1:32:11
  Those people need to face the consequences.
• 1:32:13
  Tony, we kept you way over cause of course.
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  Yeah, I got to go. George, it was great meeting
• 1:32:17
  you. Chance to plug everything.
• 1:32:18
  Mention back, mention everything, get it all done.
• 1:32:21
  Yeah, there's more, more. Should we talk?
• 1:32:22
  About and I'm with you. Guys and I, I look, we need to
• 1:32:26
  have. Yeah, that's, that's the British
• 1:32:28
  version, by the way. If, if you, if you there's a
• 1:32:31
  scratch and sniff in the back, it smells like Yorkshire
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  pudding. No, no, that's a joke.
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  That's not true. That's not true.
• 1:32:37
  But it's a good book. You guys will enjoy it.
• 1:32:39
  And by the way, I mean, I, like I said, I wrote the good and bad
• 1:32:41
  in that last line. So that's about the the drug
• 1:32:44
  war. The drug war's about to cut,
• 1:32:46
  become a real war. And and you might, we might be
• 1:32:48
  doing some of the things I propose in the book right now.
• 1:32:50
  Just saying. So you know, Yeah, bad too.
• 1:32:53
  It is a war. It is a war well.
• 1:32:56
  We contemplate. A counter campaign against drug
• 1:32:59
  cartels. I want the letters of Marquee to
• 1:33:01
  pass because I've got my own. Thoughts.
• 1:33:03
  I know about an operation overseas that's massive that
• 1:33:06
  I've sent to the right people. We should talk about the Tony, I
• 1:33:09
  should send you a reef I created.
• 1:33:11
  They have no idea that they thought they've got the solution
• 1:33:14
  for of fentanyl and carfentanyl and the precursors, but in fact
• 1:33:17
  they're wrong. There's a complete second
• 1:33:19
  network the US administration doesn't seem to care about and
• 1:33:25
  I've got all the details. I've got ex operators that have
• 1:33:27
  all the proof and are willing to go in and deal with it.
• 1:33:30
  Anyway, thanks for getting us on your your website and your
• 1:33:34
  social media. Yeah, just just just check,
• 1:33:37
  check me out at at T. Spooky on X.
• 1:33:39
  Everything is right there. You can get it from there, Tony.
• 1:33:41
  Thanks, brother. We appreciate you.
• 1:33:43
  Thanks. Thanks, George.
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  Thanks. You're welcome.
• 1:33:45
  God bless. Hopefully see.
• 1:33:46
  You soon. Thank you.
• 1:33:48
  Thanks. I'll just take us.
• 1:33:49
  Take us out or yeah, go ahead. And.
• 1:33:51
  Take us out, George. I think we've wrapped it up it.
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  Was great having him on. Yeah, it was all right, peeps.
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