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ITB: What Questions Are Being Answered, Remain Entering Week 3 Of Eagles Training Camp? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the birds is back? What's going on? Everybody? Guess what?
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: It's Jeff Mosher here, it's Adam Kaplan on the other side.
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: We are reunited after several podcasts, Adam and I really
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: I gotta watch how much time off I might take
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: in the future, because you Andrew did this awesome job
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: and I. While I was away, I was keeping track.
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: I was listening to all the itvs and Echo dailies.
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: And then I noticed no comments on YouTube saying like,
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: did Jeff go somewhere where?
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: No, it was like clean as a whistle. So I
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: guess I really wasn't missed that very much.
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: You guys did, yeah, as you celebrate your fiftieth yes,
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: we but yeah, it was great and the comments were
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: great over the last like like four or five days. Yeah.
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: What I did?
• 0:59
  Speaker 3: I just my play was run over to Andrew, you know,
• 1:01
  Speaker 3: just tea him up. We go back and forth. I'd
• 1:03
  Speaker 3: have my information, he had his, and away we went.
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: So I know you went to Saturday's practice, Yeah, your
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: jet lag.
• 1:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that your first look at them post OTAs.
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: What were your thoughts in that practice? Anything you could
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: see that was interesting?
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, I said this to Andrew in the podcast that
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: we put up on Saturday. And first of all, I
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: was I said, I guess I was fortunate in that. Well,
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: some might say unfortunate because it was ungodly hot, and I,
• 1:28
  Speaker 1: like you said, I had just stepped off the airplane
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: and went straight to practice, but fortunate in that it
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: was a I didn't realize this. It was the first
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: like main scrimmage between offense and defense of camp. So
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of There were about seven team
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: periods eleven on eleven's of first team offense, first first
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: team defense. So I got a pretty extended look at
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of you know, a lot the new offense,
• 1:51
  Speaker 1: the players on defense, some of the guys that you
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: and Andrew have been talking about upcomers. So it was good.
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: I was glad I I got to experience that. And then,
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: as I said to Andrew Adam that the one thing
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: that even missing the first seven practices and getting there
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: crystallized for me was how little, and we talk about
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: this all the time, little long term judgments you can
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: make off a training camp practice, and it's really about
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: what you learn formationally, position, group wise, who's running with
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Yes, there are some individual things that
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: you can take away. But you know when you watch
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: team periods eleven on eleven's but none or longer than
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: seven or eight plays, right, Some are just like move
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: the ball. So if you don't move the ball, it's
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: three and out. You know, it's not like a real game.
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: So I'm glad what we do here on inside the
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: Birds is really try to keep things into great perspective.
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: We're going to get into that a little bit today.
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: I'm one player, uh in particular, and then really sort
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: of be able to tell our audience what matters versus
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: what doesn't matter, and to make sure everybody takes everything
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: with a grain of salt, but also understands what is
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: developing that is really meaningful.
• 3:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just and we call it OTA's Double A.
• 3:05
  Speaker 3: This is Triple A Majors is regular season. So you
• 3:08
  Speaker 3: take for what it is, a lot of good things
• 3:11
  Speaker 3: have happened. There's some things that need to be cleaned up,
• 3:13
  Speaker 3: but it's obviously a lot more important and you could
• 3:16
  Speaker 3: learn more through training camp, but we've done this. We
• 3:20
  Speaker 3: just take it what we see, what we know, what
• 3:22
  Speaker 3: we're told, and then we.
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: Go from there.
• 3:23
  Speaker 3: We don't guess, we don't ever guess, so this is
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: what we know. It's information. Then we have to form
• 3:29
  Speaker 3: an opinion of where things are. We gathering information from people,
• 3:32
  Speaker 3: we speak with our own eyes, and what we're told,
• 3:35
  Speaker 3: and at some point we have to form it into Okay,
• 3:37
  Speaker 3: here's where we're at. And that's the purpose of two
• 3:40
  Speaker 3: weeks of practice, going back to the questions that we had,
• 3:44
  Speaker 3: and we'll tell you where everything's at. All.
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: Right, So here's what we're gonna do for this podcast. Right,
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: we got we're through two weeks. This is a big
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: third week of camp. It's always as camp drags on,
• 3:56
  Speaker 1: especially as it it's hot, things start to change. You
• 3:59
  Speaker 1: start to see who can sustain momentum, who loses momentum.
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: Lord knows, you can go back a few years and
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: we talk about guys playing well for the first two
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: weeks and then then all of a sudden they like
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: regress to the norm. Right, so this will be a
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: big third week. And then of course they've got their
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: first preseason game at the end of the week against
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: the Ravens coming up too. So what Adam and I
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: decided to do is, let's say, let's talk about going
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: into three weeks. Some of the things that we've learned
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: about this team after two weeks and where the questions
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: still lie. And I think that I do think the
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: preseason games, although you can't take much about that from
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: them long term, they do help answer some questions. So
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: that'll be an interesting one at the end of the
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: week against Baltimore. But Adam, let's get into are what
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: questions we still have about this team after two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: What's the first thing that you think of right now?
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's let's first. We have to set up like this.
• 4:48
  Speaker 3: Pre camp questions are first one, because that's how we
• 4:51
  Speaker 3: set this whole thing up. Sure, pre camp question, Sean
• 4:55
  Speaker 3: mannion offensive structure, what's going to look like? We did
• 4:57
  Speaker 3: see an ota is giving it. We knew what we
• 5:00
  Speaker 3: thought coming in was exactly what we got. West Coast offense.
• 5:03
  Speaker 3: Not a secret, It's exactly what we thought we were
• 5:06
  Speaker 3: going to get. It's a combination of McVeigh and Shanahan principles.
• 5:13
  Speaker 3: There'll be some there'll be plenty of twelve personnel, it'll
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  Speaker 3: be some eleven. That's what we thought because we saw
• 5:17
  Speaker 3: this in OTAs. But that's OTAs training camp. A lot
• 5:22
  Speaker 3: of the same structures strictly timing based. There's no question
• 5:26
  Speaker 3: about it. More than more than anything we've seen here.
• 5:29
  Speaker 3: It's it's been what we thought. There's no question now
• 5:32
  Speaker 3: in terms of know how much twelve they're going to
• 5:35
  Speaker 3: play versus eleven personnel, there's no way to know that.
• 5:37
  Speaker 3: And when it also comes down to it's the personnel
• 5:41
  Speaker 3: that they haven't the confidence that the coaches have in it.
• 5:44
  Speaker 3: It's like the Bears right now, right with Luther Burnon's injury,
• 5:47
  Speaker 3: though it shouldn't be he should be ready for regular
• 5:49
  Speaker 3: of the regular season.
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: Their death is terrible. Receiver terrible.
• 5:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we told folks when the schedule came out, they're
• 5:55
  Speaker 3: going to be heavy twelve anyway. I mean they might
• 5:59
  Speaker 3: be up there leaving get a fell and twelve personnel
• 6:00
  Speaker 3: because it's what you have.
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: Mm hm no.
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  Speaker 3: And Sean McVay, why do you go to a lot
• 6:06
  Speaker 3: of thirteen and twelve? Last season a ton of pookin
• 6:09
  Speaker 3: a cool got hurt. Pookin a cool got hurt. He
• 6:12
  Speaker 3: had some injuries. They didn't have the depth of receivers.
• 6:14
  Speaker 3: So you gotta you gotta, you gotta adapt. Now, that's
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: one thing as we go forward here, we don't know
• 6:20
  Speaker 3: because Manion's ever called plays before.
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: It's only start here and coaching.
• 6:23
  Speaker 3: How well can he adapt to the personnel that he
• 6:25
  Speaker 3: has that remains to be seen.
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And after listening to you and Andrew for the
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: last you know, like week and a half and then
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: being observing of two hours, what really stuck out to
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: me and I imagine that this is going to be
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: something that holds true. We'll see is that Sean Manion
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: right now is he's not doing it just one way?
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: For you know, we talked about under center. They do
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: not go under center on every snap? Do the Rams
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: do that a lot? Yes? Do forty nine ers? Yes?
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: This fields to me watching it for a couple hours
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: a lot like what you see from the Packers, which
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be a surprise because man had his two seasons
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: of coaching there. The Packers will be in shotgun more
• 7:05
  Speaker 1: so than other most Shanahan McVeagh teams, and they'll also
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: incorporate the RPOs a little bit more. They even do
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: some gap running because Josh Jacobs is a good inside runner, right.
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  Speaker 1: And so I observe that I observed a mix of
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: shotgun and under center. It's not gonna be a total
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: under center. I think I actually tried to try. It
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: was about forty percent under center for that practice, but
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: that could change on you know, based on what you
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: and Andrew might have seen it differently. And then even
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: some of the I did see the wide zone runs,
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: those were good, but even on some of the zone runs,
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: they funneled them up the middle because remember the Eagles
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: have run the ball up the middle very well for
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: the last two years, and you can still run the
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: ball up the middle inside zone. Ryan doesn't all have
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: to be wide zone. So I was impressed by just
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: the variety of shotgun versus under center, and the wide
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: zone versus the traditional inside zone that they'll run. I
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: imagine they might even it's hard hard to see exactly,
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: but maybe they will incorporate some gap running just once
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: in a while to because they have big, huge offensive linemen,
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: it would make sense to pull a trap one. So
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: that's good, that's good, that's and that's that's gonna be
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: interesting to see if they if Sean starts to favor
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: one or the other as far as under center or shotgun,
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: even motion, right, I saw a motion, but I had
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: seen motion on every snap. I saw some shifting. I
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: don't consider that the same as that late pre snap
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: motion that's intended to really make a you know, give
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: the the defense a little bit of an eye candy
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: every once in a while to see your receiver shift
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: from like slot to out and then like right right,
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: right right. I also saw a balance. Yes, they had
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: condensed formations at times, but they also had your traditional
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: one by threes and two by two. So you're you're
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: getting the whole crock pot here with the egos offense,
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: and I know it's gonna rub some people the wrong way.
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni has said it, and Sean Manion has said it.
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: They are going to maintain some of the things they
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: have done well in their past Eagles offense, Tush push
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: being one. They mentioned that, like I said, inside running,
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: they will take things that they did well. I saw
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: one play at them where they motioned Barkley all the
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: way out from from behind center all the way out
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: that took the linebacker out. We've seen that a million times.
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: That's a cue that Jalen Hurts is going to keep
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: it and run up the middle, because when you're when
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: you got the defensive nickel and you get one of
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: the two linebackers already going out. It means you only
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: have one linebacker to block center Bloxham Hurts follows up
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: the middle. That's been a good play for them in
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: the old Eagles offense. And I saw it run at
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: least once on Saturday.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: All right. Two things.
• 9:40
  Speaker 3: No team ever runs one hundred percent zone. This is
• 9:42
  Speaker 3: what a front of mine is. You've met this coach.
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: We won't.
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: It's an offensive life. But you know exactly what I'm
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: talking about. He said, there's never a chance where one
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: team wuns zone all year or one gap.
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: It never had.
• 9:57
  Speaker 3: It's not the way it works. But you're gonna if
• 9:59
  Speaker 3: you're his own team, you're going to run a majority.
• 10:02
  Speaker 3: It's sixty seventy percent zone. That's what That's what you're
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: gonna run.
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  Speaker 3: And the other thing is you should know there's some
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: there's some things that hurts likes.
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: They're going to keep. You should do that. Why would you?
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: Whether they wanted to advance to modern offense, not be
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: back to the Stone age, we all know that, but
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: they also want to keep some things at Jalen likes.
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: That's called coaching. You don't just okay, that's it, You
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: have no say it doesn't work. No one's ever coaches
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: that way, right, But they change the terminology. They went
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: to West Coast and it definitely looks different though in
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: terms from ohas to now and where it's kind of
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: what you were saying, because again, there's so much seven
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: on seven, not a lot eleven on eleven, it's more
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: flag football in oas very late. But now you're seeing
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: a lot of what we expected in terms of formation, variation,
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: lots of motions, a ton of them burst motion. I
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: saw a reverse orbit, which was sweet. I can't remember
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: who they did it with. She might have been Brittain Covey.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: Before he got hurt, I.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Was gonna say, that must be. It must be a
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: small guy, right, like, that's why I said it.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: I thought it was, but I didn't write it down.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: I think I know he's number eighteen. He actually, by
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: the way he looked, he looked really good before he
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: got hurt.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's good. It's cool. It's just so different
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: from what we're used to hear.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: When we went to OTAs, I was like, yeah, it
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: looks like what we thought. But man, it doesn't look
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: like anything that we saw before.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Right, it's kind of weird. You know. It's like when
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Chip Kelly came in here at thirteen.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: You'd heard about it what it might look like if
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: you're going fast, but until you actually see it, you go,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: this is crazy. I can't believe what I'm saying here.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: But it's cool, man, It's it's different. But I'll tell
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: you this, if you execute, you don't have to have
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: the greatest group of past target to the world. The
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Niners can answer that for you. It's about space creation.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: I remember I remember Carlos Hie telling me he had
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: never had so much room to run with wide zone,
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: one cut, get up field, he goes, Dude, you have
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: no idea how much room I have. Right, it's that's
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: the run game. But in past game, creating space for
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: guys like Cooper Cup okay, who never ran all that well,
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Pooka Nakula by the way, not a speedster. Great scheme,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: great route running guys, get open. I mean, it's just
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: it's gonna happen here. John Tavian Wicks is killing it.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Man. I don't know what you saw Saturday. That was
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: her longest practice.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah it was okay, he didn't have like the kind
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: of gay practices that I was listening to with you
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: and Andrew.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: But nominating timing, it's that him and Hurts. I'll tell
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: you what that and we'll get to Hurts in a second.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Here there develops some chemistry, real chemistry. It's truly those
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: two more than the other quarterbacks.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: That's good I'm obviously with mikail Lemon out, you need
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Hurts to have a number two. With DeVonta Smith out
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: with the hammy, you needed Hurts to really start to
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: develop that rapport that you see that he's got with Wix,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: and I know Darius Cooper has played well. That's a
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: good transition over to Hurts. You said things that Hurts likes,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: and one thing Hurts is always liked to do, regardless
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: of the offense, is make plays with his legs if
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: it's there. And I saw five or six times in
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: the in the session where I'm gonna I'm not talking
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: about the time where he ran up the middle on
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: an attended run. I'm talking about freelance scrambles right where
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: he did that ran for a first down. Now, in
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: a game and it's in a practice, you you can't
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: hit him. So I don't know if those would have
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: been good runs in a game or not, but it
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: did indicate to me that you know the whole rhythm
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: and timing that we're talking about, and this shouldn't I shouldn't.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Just I'm using Hurts as an example because of the scrambles,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I thought all of the quarterbacks in general, even McKee
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: at times. I think you mentioned this in a previous BOT.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: It's they're not necessarily it's not bang bang bang plant
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the back foot and pass bang bang bang plant. There
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: are so I did see some of it, but I
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: think they're still coming along in that area. I honestly
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: thought Dalton in the session that I watched, was the
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: best at it. But that shouldn't be surprising because he's
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: played for fifteen years. He's played in offenses, and I'm
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: sure we're similar. And Jake Gruden, yeah, he knows how
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: to get rid of the ball quickly if he needs to,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: because he's got to do that to survive as long
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: as he has in the league.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah that Jake Gruden ran a West Coast offense for
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: many years with the Bengals and with the Commanders or
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: the then Redskins, or maybe it was watching football team
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: before he got canned. But anyway, I'll say this, let's
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: transition to Hurtz. I'll tell you when he's on time,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: it looks beautiful. I mean, it's just it's repetitions. He
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: just needs raps and reps and reps because he's not
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: been a timing quarterback.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: That's not been his deal, right, but.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: It's been sporadic him and wicks it. When he throws
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: to the spot and makes Wos go get it, that's
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: called timing anticipation. It's more time than anticipation. What Brady
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: and Manning did was throw with anticipation. I've brought this
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: up over the years just to remind people. The best
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: practice I've seen in my life was Tom Brady here
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: twenty five for twenty five, every single pass with anticipation,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: three step drop balls out. If the guy's here didn't matter,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: It's up to the past target to go get the football.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: If you're watching on YouTube, you couldn't even you didn't
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: even know who the intended receiver was, right exactly what
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: throwing and then you'd see the receiver break toward it.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: You just turn his body to throw and I'm like what.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like, where's he go?
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, I.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: See what he means, Andy, And then he bitched the
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: guy out if the guy wasn't there, like we went,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: why weren't you there? Right? And that's it's it's it's
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: at least you're seeing some of it. But he's got
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: to do it more consistently. McKee is just not pulling
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: the trigger. He's just not he's not pulling it. He's
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: just not pulling it, pulling the trigger as much as
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: he needs to.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a couple of passes that were good,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: but they were batted, which is a good defensive play,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: so sometimes you have to give the defense credit. But
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: that made me think that he's just like a tick,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: not has its just a tick too slow on where
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: he's going and when he's going with it. And again
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: one practice that's what I saw. But you know, I
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: listened to you and Andrew, and it just felt like
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a tick that he's off a little bit or else.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe these PBUs turned into completions and he
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: leads the receiver up the field and with hurts. You know,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: watching that practice reminded me a little bit of the
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Chargers game. Take away that I know he threw a
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: ton of interceptions. He did throw one to Zach Bond
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: that wasn't good, but in general that Chargers game. You
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: remember how we were saying that just take the interceptions away.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Some were freak plays, right, He made about five or
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: six throws in that game that were really well from
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: a time, those were good. Remember they were starting to
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: incorporate like real, actual NFL passing concepts, and he hit
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: on a few really good ones, including the long one
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: to DeVante smith In. I think it was an overtime, right,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: give me one overtime if I'm not mistaken. But he
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: was like a third and sixteen. He fired it and
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I did. I was like, wow, I saw some of that.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: You see it, but then you also see again the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: sort of the times where he's just fleeing the pocket
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: and there might not have been pressure, and times where
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: he did hit some guys but they were just open.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: There might have been a coverage buster or something. Ll
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Dallas got her ended ended it by plucking one out
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: of the sky for touchdowns. A really cool connection and
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: a good throw by Hurts to put it where only
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: can get it, but not necessarily that that beautiful three
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: step bam drop, you know, timing rhythm thing.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Like that, the catch that Wicks had. I I think
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: it was Tuesday's practice. I was at it was a scramble.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Smitte.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: I don't think Smitty practiced then, yeah, him and Lemon
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: didn't practice. Well yeah, naturally right, it's like other than Wix,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: who's getting get open. It impacts you so for sure.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: But the good thing is Wix went back to the football.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: See this is it's funny. That's been the one issue
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: with this group. How many times we talked about not
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: enough though, as these guys don't do a very good
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: job overall. They haven't done it before the season, Brown Smitty,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: some aj didn't didn't do a good job of But
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: come back to the football like the Chiefs receivers have
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: done it for years. You got to know how your
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: quarterback to play. For sure plays off schedule. My home
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: plays off schedule. Come back to the damn football, right,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: so got to do that better.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That leads us into wide receivers. Now, it was
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: really difficult for me to I mean, there was no
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: DeVante Smith, there was no Mikai Lemon. So you're already
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: down two of your top three wide receivers, you know.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: So obviously I got to see a decent amount of
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Cooper running with the first team. Elijah Moore ran with
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the first team. I felt like the best examples that
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I saw of the timing offense, you know, the quick
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: step drop and hear your feet on the ground and
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: hit work from him to Elijah more a few times
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: because Elijah played pretty well. I just I still think
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: when all is said and done, it's very very up.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I know he's at a good camp. It's going to
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: be an uphill battle from the making because of just
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: he's not a special team or and he's not teams you.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Know, I would say this maybe after the first couple
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: of days. He's been on fire, like, he's been very
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: active catching them ball. There's one play he were on
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: the ren. Uh there was a timing issue with Hertz
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: for a pick, but more when I think there was
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: a morning go the right way. But he's he's looked
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: really good, like he's he's healthy, he's a great, really
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: good frame of mind. It's it's it looks good. But
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: it's going to be hard to justify it because he's
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: a vested veteran. Just cut him, say hey, the agent
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: would love to have him.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: The practice squad will bring him up you know when
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: we need him.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's shown he could still play only twenty six, folks,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: it's hard to believe.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Hard to believe, Harry, hard to believe.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see how he does in the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: preseason games, because it did strike me as I was
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: listening to you guys talking about how good of a
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: camp here was having than saw it myself. It struck
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: me that Elijah could be like kind of that guy
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: who's perfect in training camp, because he was good enough,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: fast enough to be a top fifty pick. And in
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: training camp it's a passing camp. The quarterbacks are not
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: under that much durress, Like it's probably easier from the
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: shine there. Why hasn't he translated it to NFL games.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know because I haven't watched him enough, but
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I in his.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Career he was phenomenal career. Yeah, very early with the Jets,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: he was outstanding. Then Zach Wilson happened and he wanted out.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: He was miserable, He didn't want he would want to
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: be there. He tried to call his concerns, it didn't work.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Joe Dougas said he wasn't going to trade him, that
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: he wound up trading him.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a real indictment if you're on Buffalo
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and you can't get on the field like he was
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: on Buffalo and they were playing, you know, an ageless
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks over him, right, Because wasn't he on Buffalo's
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: practice squad last year or maybe he was on their fifteen.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know he was.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: He was with Buffalo in their off season and then
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: they cut them in November. It's actually cut right, right,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: which is not you're right.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: They had all sorts of problems at receiver last year.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: As we said, last year, they didn't have a one
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: or two. They had a bunch of number threes, fours
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: and fives. Yep, despite what Brandon Bean thought, and he
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: bristled at all the criticism.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: He finally admitted because he traded for Gg Moore. He
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: just told you what he thought. He did it. I love.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: I love when they deny it and then they go
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: they do the exact opposite, give in. But yeah, you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: you're right, and yeah, he just turned twenty six in March.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: It's yeah, he had to be twenty was drafted. But anyway,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: he's he's pushing because again he could play two positions.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: At Z position, which is his natural position. That that
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: that's where DeVante usually lines up, and the slot. He's
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: played slot, and I saw him playing inside left and right.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: I saw them reduce them in practice where he'd be
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: out here and then they reduce them, which is a
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: pretty significant trade of the the McVeigh offense. So we'll
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: see what happens. But I'm just telling you there's good competition.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: So again, what if we learn what we know? Right,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: we didn't know about We knew who Wicks was and
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: he did some good things in O.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: T A S.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: But ots means nothing to me. I write it all down,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: but I mean I don't. It just doesn't mean anything
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: to me. So you got to show up in training camp.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: That's when the competition begins. He's shown up big time,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: so we we've learned that he's he's he's getting the
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: job done. Okay, DeVante's out, hamsterring Lemon out again with
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: the same ham hamstring problem. Haylowood Brown still not seeing
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: that the deep throws.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I'm just not enough. I I've learned my lesson to
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: not overjudge that.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm uh.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: You may may not have had an opportunity.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Maybe there's some throws at Hurts didn't pull the trigger,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: or McKee or Dalton didn't pull the trigger.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: We don't know that.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: We don't get access to the practice tape. Okay, we
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: don't get access to that, So I don't make any
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: harsh judgments. But we need to see explosive places from him.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: That's why he's here, why they guaranteed five million. And
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: that's and Darius Cooper is you know, I got to
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: add this, you know, for you know, Mike gil brought
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: this up. Froddy is he more of a heisman? He
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: just chows up in training camp and he doesn't contribute.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: But I did say, listen, dude, you got to understand
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: that Siriani made it perfectly clear. Once you get past
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Smith and that was Brown. Once you get past Smith, Brown,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Lemon and Goddard, there's I don't care if Cooper's the
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: three receiver, he's not gonna be football. You need to
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: understand that they're not gonna be Here's what we know.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: They're not gonna be a ten personnel team. They'll play
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: their share of eleven and they're gonna probably play a
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: top twelve because they're a running team. Yeah, so it's
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: not Darres Cooper's fault that he doesn't get the ball
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: when he's had a great camp.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: When I'm talking about in the regular season, he'll be
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: on the team. Yeah, I'm just saying like he's not
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: gonna be a factor at all in the past game
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: there's not.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Unless there's there's a bunch of injuries that.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Or they can bench. Yeah if on injuries, Yes, what
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you're saying.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Under normal circumstances, Wick's doing his job, Lemon healthy, doing
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: his job.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: He's not gonna be a factor just the way it is.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I agree with that. I could see him
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: maybe getting in on some eleven personnel run because he's
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: a big, strong guy, and maybe they want to keep
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Lemon out of it there for for injury purposes. But uh, yeah, yeah,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. But I am convinced though last
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: summer it was not just some flash in the plan
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: like the good receiver.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he brings in and there's no question being
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: a former quarterback.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Helps him for sure.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, he's he's been. He's been one of those training
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: camp stars.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: It was good and OTAs by the way.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so so we learned that we we kind of
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: have a pretty good feel for the receiver position. We
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: got we see the timing issue at quarterback, like what
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Manning's doing. Love it with a structure. Uh, and it
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: goes with all three quarterbacks. The receiver quality is okay,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: they have some depth, no doubt, it's it's definitely versable depth.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: They've got inside guys, outside guys. Uh and but the
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: big story coming in here that the other big story
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: was a healthy offensive line. There's no question we've certainly
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: learned a little bit about that.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: It's been mostly positive.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, Lane Johnson was able to come back. I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: mean talked about Adam that on Saturday. He's basically said,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: this is my final year. He's got a lot of
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: family stuff going on that you know, pulls him away
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: from the field a little bit. But he's back. I mean,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: he made he insisted he's focused on this year, but
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: it'll very likely be his last year. He had high
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: praise for Mark Albell. That's a guy who can we
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: say he's answered questions yet he's held up in camp.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: All right. Clay Harbor was at camp and he and
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I were talking and the one thing that we both
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: acknowledged is that his massiveness alone makes him a very
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: difficult guy to get around. But his feet, his coordination
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: still need to be improved. And my response to that
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: was yes, but if his feet were like of the
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: dancing bear variety, he would have been a top ten pick,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: top five pick, because.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got to redistribute his weight. He's just a
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: little bit awkward with his footwork. He is a the
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: old line coach I talked to for the draft who
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: either his team had him in for a visit or
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: he sat down him. He he sat down with them
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: for a while, or he was at the combine. I'm
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: not sure, but he loved Mark hel Bell loved him.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: He said he bonded with him.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: He's a real responsible young man, takes responsibility for his weight. Look,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: he's six foot nine to two tenths of an inch.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's got to grow into He's still
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: not growing totally grown into his body yet, right, but
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: he's got a lot of ability. And it's the Eagles
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: sincere hope that he'll be Lane's replacement. Yeah, so we
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: don't know that yet, but he's making some progress. There's
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: no doubt he's making some progress. And the good thing
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: about their offensive line is Jurgen's had a little tweak
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: the other day, but he's okay.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: There. They have some.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Really interesting developmental offensive lineman, which we weren't sure about.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: That was one of the questions on our big long list.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: But we're seeing some good things.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Drew Kendall is really showing that
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: he's he's up to playing center. He's up to about
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: three oh five, he said, So he's put on some weight.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: He you can play guard at three oh five to
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: three ten. That's I think so. Yeah, definitely was in
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: that neighborhood, so that that's fine. Happy with him. I
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: think you would agree. I don't know that it's it's
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: safe to not have Fred Johnson on your sixty nine
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: overall and just go with Mark al Bell as your
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: top ten. I know they were running him first team
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: when Lane Johnson was out. I think that was a
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: little bit educational for both. I don't know that they
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: feel safe without having Fred Johnson as a backup because
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: he's been a quality backup for them. We'll learn more
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: as camp goes on. And Who's the one thing I
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: would still say, especially with the way the interior offensive
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: line was beat up last year, is it's great that
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: they feel like Drew Kendall can step in, be centered,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: maybe even be guard. But is there another guy that
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: can emerge as a legit interior offensive line or sort
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: of a guard slash tackle have because I would feel
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: more comfortable knowing that and I'm not. They have all
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: these guys, whether it's Willie lamp And or Mike and
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Morris and some other guys in camp. To Hinton's who
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: you know he's running with the third team. He's like, yeah, yeah,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: that's what I can't I again, it's just one camp.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I kind of liked myself for Michael Jordan because he's
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: a big guy with long arms, and when you put
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: him at left guard next to Fred Johnson, he's the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: big guy with long arms. It gives him a pretty
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: formidable pairing there. But I just feel like someone we
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: need to see someone start to emerge, not just Drew
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Kendall on the inside.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Well, Jake Majors is that guy. Yeah, he's outlying him,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know. For weeks now, and he's been he's
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: been the backup center because they already know about Kendall.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: They already knows he's their backup center. But they've cross
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: trained heavily. It's a little bit of it in ot
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: is not much, but now he's lining up almost exclusively.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Kennelled either guard spot and Andrew said he talked to me, said, yeah,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: he put on like fifteen pounds of bulk. Because I
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: remember when I someone OTAs, I said Andrew, I said, wow,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: what is this?
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I can't believe this.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: He's not as big as his dad Pete, but in
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: terms of bulk, but I was like, wow, he looks
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: much bigger when he needed to because he was too
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: small last season. And there are definitely still questions whether
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: he's a guard where they can play guard in a
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: real game. But we're gonna find out. I suspect during
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: the preseason he's going to play guard. They should in fact,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: what you wouldn't spend this much time and not have
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: him do that?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Why would you? Why would you not do that?
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I agree? And that's like you said, you already know
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Drew Kendall can be your backup center. Who can be
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: a center guard? Or do you have a guard that
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: can also play tackle something that they'd like to rely on?
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I know because I was there right and I was
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: among a couple of writers who paid real close attention
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: to the one on ones. And Willie Lampkin did an
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: excellent job against Cabe Hall on two reps and then
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: some third strinth that Zion what's Zion Zion Wilson? Yeah,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: he had four really good reps against those two guys,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: you know, back to back, and it kind of got
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: everybody buzzing. And I know people have written about it,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: but I do want everybody to understand just a couple
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: of things. One the the one on one linemen offensive linemen,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: they're kind of like receiver defensive back. They don't mean anything.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: In fact, Todd Harriman's and Trey Thomas friends of this
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: show who have been on the show, have told us
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: quite often that there's sort of like a unspoken agreement
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: between and usually among the starters that You're not gonna
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: go hard against me, and I'm not gonna go hard
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: against you because we're gonna save it for eleven on eleven.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: So this is just one on ones and it doesn't.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Mean anything, but it is good for those. But it
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: is good though for the the third.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I have no doubt. I have no doubt that Byron
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Young was trying hard, and I have no doubt Willy
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Lampin was trying hard. So what I observed is that
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Willy does a really good job. Right of when you're
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: a center guard and you're in one on ones, you're
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: not gonna see a whole lot of speed. You're not
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: seeing speed rushers. You're you're up against defensive tackles, so
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: your anchor is really important. Your hand punch, your early
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: hand punch. Offensive line coaches talking about building a house
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: in a confined area. You got a stamp stamp parts punch,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and I saw him do that really well. And basically
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Stone Gabe Hall and Zion Taylor, who are both much
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: bigger and taller and longer than him. So what's clear
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: to me is Lampkin has a good idea and a plan,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: which he should because he's been undersized his whole life.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: He's had to deal with guys bigger than him his
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: whole college career. Are now in the NFL. He did
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: get an opportunity to play second team guard because Jurgens
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: got a little overheated, walked down and they put Kendall
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: moved him from guard to center. So that was good
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: that Lampkin got cross trained there. I think the preseason
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: is gonna be enormous for this guy. People are gonna
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: love him, but at the end of the day, the
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Eagles are always gonna have to decide to themselves, like,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: is this the whole point of having backup offensive lineman.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: It's not like having a fourth receiver or a fourth corner.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Those guys make the team because of special teams almost
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: as much as what they can do on the field.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: If you're a backup offensive lineman, you made the team
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: because the team believes you can go in there and
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: hold your own. If a starterupt, they don't care. And
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I do think that they're in their minds it has
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: to be can this kid, if we lose both Jurgens
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and Dickerson right, and we've got Kendall playing one spot,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: can we rely on Willie Lampkin to go in there
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: for like forty five snaps against a real NFL starting
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: DT and hold his own. That's gonna be a big
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: thing for him to prove in these preseason games where
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: at least still be going up against you know, NFL
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: caliber players who are not on his own team, and
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: we'll just have to see. I think it's tough. I mean,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's played in the league for a couple of years.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: At him. Yeah, he's a big, strong guy. And how
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: do you choose like the really short underside guy over
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: that guy.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, here's and speaking of short or not having great size,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Jake Majors has something unfortunately that he he doesn't control
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: like he's got inter's of height. He's actually pretty tall
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: to be a center. It's just over six three sixty
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: three and and uh, let's see sixty three and three ace.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: But here's where it gets to be a problem. Why
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: he wasn't drafted arms thirty and three. A's like, you're
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: not gonna make it like you're just that. That's a problem.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Like it when you've got when you're a center that's got.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Shorter than thirty two inch arms.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very hard to get draft unless you're just
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: a great football player, which he's not. He's a workman
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: like yep, as one coach told me, very workmanlike, hard worker, smart.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Tough, not an athlete.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: You like having them as you're like third like he's
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: more of a practice squad player. But he's had such
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: a good camp, and so I was telling Andrew, I'm
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: not gonna completely roll him out.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Let's see what happened. He's got it.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: He almost has to play perfect football and training camp
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: and in the preseason games.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: The same with Willie Lampkin. Now, the good thing is
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: if you're whether offense or.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Defense, is we finish out offense of the questions and
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: the answers that we are giving you now, Like from
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: spots forty five to fifty free are open, there are
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: so many. There are a lot of jobs being competed for,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: and there's a lot of open roster spaces now because
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: they just they had a lot of questions coming into
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: camp on both sides of the football. That the second
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: and third stringers are a lot of questions. Yeah, they're
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: still not being answered yet.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. As you said transitioning to the defense, man, I
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: mean in the scrimmage, I watched just watching Jordan Davis
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: and Jill and Carter dominate the middle Like I didn't know.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: It's like a catch straight through. I'm like, man, is
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: the interior offensive line really struggling? Oh wait, they're going
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: up against two of maybe the top five defense top
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: seven defensive tackles in the NFL. SO and Jordan Davis
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: looked really good even on a hot day. I mean,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: if you were allowed to tackle to the ground or
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: allowed to hit the quarterback, you probably would have a
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: few big splash plays, especially on Sae Kwon Barkley. So
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I get it that the defense looks amazing because they
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: have got the superior personnel out on the field. I
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: did see Mark oh Man, the linebackers at Jahad and
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Zach Bond. They look so active, so fast, so quick
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: to the ball. I mean again, I'm not I don't
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: have to worry about long term projections of that training
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: care because I know these guys are already good and
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: have showed it on the field. But the symmetry there,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: like Vic's starting to do different things. He was blitzing
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: a couple of different guys. He was coming late with
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Trotter a few times. He came late with somebody. I like,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: you could tell Vic knows he's very comfortable with what
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: he has out there.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: A couple of things on the front seven. So Carter,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: this is the best shape he's been in since he's
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: since he's been an eagle. He looks phenomenal, Like he
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: looks fit.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Daran Davis has been fit now for over two years,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: you know, first two years very overweight, too big.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: It looks great. You know he's got his contract. He
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: gets it. He gets what it's what you need you
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: to be a pro. He gets it. Like we're ready.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Not much to talk about the delon. We got what
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: we knew. Yeah, other than and We still don't know
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: about tyro Robinson. We just don't know.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: He's just young's. The young's the first got off the bench.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: He's not being competed against. The question is again with
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: ty Robinson as we set it up for training camp,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: does he deserve to be on this football team yet
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: don't know that We may not know until early September.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he's got to diversify some of his moves.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I know he has this big club move. He used
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: it once on his first rush in one on ones
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: and then it was well defended the second time, so
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: he did he did get some run with the second
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: defense in the game. I was I'm sorry the scrimmage
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I was watching, he may have had a few first
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: team reps, so I think he think there's the coaches
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: are starting to see some improvement, but need to see
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit more there. And man, these linebackers, to me,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: like when Jeremiah Trotter Junior's number three, you're in a
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: great spot because he continues to just do nearly everything
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: right and there's there's almost nothing left as far as
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: questions or answers that we need at that position. I
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: just wanted to know is Jahad, Campbell, Kenny step in
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: and do the things in the Kobe Dean did, and
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: some of that has still remained to be answered for
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: leadership and aligning, but there's no question the athletic gifts
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: are there to be a really good player, to set
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: the edge on defense when on they're running outside, or
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: to come down and blitz.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: He can do that.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: So he did that a few times. I mean, he's
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: got all the tools to be really good.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: He's not as instinctive as Dean, right, that may or
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: may not come, but he before he got hurt last year,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: it was starting to happen for him, and then you know,
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: he didn't get a shot back. When Nikobe got healthy,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Vic saw what he need to see in practice. He goes, hey,
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: we're going to go with the guy who's more ready,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: which is hard to believe because but how much time
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Dean missed. But Dean felt pretty good before they activate
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: him off of pup. So nevertheless, though Johd bothered, he
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: looks he also looks fit. He does not look to
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: forty fifty. He does not no not the way and
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: the way.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: He flies around, he almost flies around like he's two ten.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: It looks good.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks good. The cool thing is our depth
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: is young. That no vested veterans of their death. Monin's
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: the second Your player really only played with special teams, Tritter.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: We talked about, Yeah, who's who's Who's a player? And
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Chance Campbell, who's my sleeper in the OTA as he
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: looks good man, he's long, athletic.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Put him, put him on your mo Yeah, no, he said,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: he said, don't yah. I know what he meant. I
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: know what Vic meant when he said that. I was
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: kind of surprised. Vic fools sometimes, right, when do you
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: think you wouldn't talk about something like that. It's hard
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: to keep five.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: They they did keep five last year, but they were
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: five players that they vested money into or drafted. Yeah,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: this is different. Chance Campbell was not drafted by them.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: They put no money into the guy. So but we'll
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: see what happens. But that's the front seven. No real
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: big surprises that the edges are what we thought. Grenard
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: unfortunately has hurt joke, looks like an absolute stud. He's
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: he's the breakout star like he's been our guy since
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: he was drafted. We told folks that he should have
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: been drafted the third round.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: He was.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I thought he I thought what he's doing now would
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: be next year. I didn't think he this would become
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: so quickly. Yep, it's pretty cool man.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: It's uh, guy's got a year ahead of since his
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: rookie year.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much incrementally.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, When and and Nolan Smith, I know you and
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Andrew talked about him, that was a folks.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Big focus of your Saturday show.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes place.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: You know, it's Hunt.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: If Hunt doesn't start, we need an investigation. That's kind
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: of where I'm at with this one. It's not even
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: it's not even like remotely close.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And he's good against the run too. It's not
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: like you need to play Smith is a good run defender. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: and with look, I think Smith's got great athletic traits.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: There's no question about it. It's not like he's uh invisible, uh.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: In the practice I was watching, I just think I'd
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: like to see a little bit more refinement as a
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: pass rusher instead of just the speed around the edge
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: all the time. Just some hand usage because he's gonna
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: get studied and he needs to just figure out better
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: ways to get to the quarterback when he's getting ridden
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: outside the circle.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was the other before we moved to the secondary.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I was a little skeptical of the h Apanes society.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I mean I did I explain what it was going
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: to look like.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: It's what I thought. If he makes a team short
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: yardage defensive tackle nicole de tackle if you need him to,
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: if you want to try something different, He's just so.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: He's so tall and long. I just don't see the ball.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: They say to eighty. There's no way in hell he's
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: too eighty.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: No way. Yeah, he doesn't look too eighty.
• 44:28
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• 44:31
  Speaker 2: must confused a six with an eight.
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  Speaker 1: to Cooper de Gen and Base, which is you know
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: what we expected it was, but I did see. You know,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Michael Carter is making it interesting. You heard Vic say
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: that he had a nice PBu on what was a
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  Speaker 1: sounds by the way, it sounded like Vic said, no
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  Speaker 1: Michael Carter on the field. Like you might see more
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  Speaker 1: dime this year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, dime safety. He's been in dime safety already. I
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  Speaker 2: noticed that like the first couple of days of camp,
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  Speaker 2: this camp, the strain of camp.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it honestly, you know how he did say
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: that there he said in OTAs when he spoke that
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: they're gonna add a veteran safety or safety even say veteran.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: But my understanding was they were looking at some veterans.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: I just don't see the point of it, because if
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: we because Degene is gonna play safety, well app's Macuba,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Degene and Carter.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Are your safeties?
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: So and was Nesky, but it's wiz Nesky Andrew is right.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: I looked up the pronunciation guide was Nesky, not wasz Newski.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: So he's gonna have a hard time making it, I do.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: I just don't. I don't know, man.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: It's you know, he's been hurt with hamstring. Yeah, missed
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: almost all OTAs with I believe the same. And we
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: were told it was a lower of body in drums.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: It was the hams right, which he's dealing with now.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: So that's not good man. He's got great size, just
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: not doesn't have great range. As Greg co Salt told
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: us from this tape study, Yeah, and Maxist Pulley's there,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: So what what's the I could see if because typically
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: in this situation, you'd like to see what you have
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: first before you sign the veteran or some other player
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: right for that position. I don't see the point of
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: it unless they clearly think, you know, we're not good
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: enough here, we need added so and there are enough
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: guys out there, I mean, to make a trade makes
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: a zero sense because that guy's not gonna play well.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: The trade, Yeah, I mean, I would think you can
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: get was was Nesky back on your practice squad if
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: you wind up partnering with.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is South round.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not going to make an impact even if
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: even I mean just sort of like with Mikayle Lemon.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: You know he's on the team. But if you missed
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: too much time in training camp, like Cooper to Gene
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, you might not be ready
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: for the start of the season. You know, you might.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Cooper didn't really play until week five of his rookie year.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: You remember that he was first four weeks he was
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: he was really not being used because he had injured
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: his hamstring, right, Yeah, he missed too much time, So
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: that might be the case with Kayle Lemon will see.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're a seventh round pick and
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: you missed too much time and can't like forget about.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: It, well, miss four or five weeks. But what it
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: is is it's gonna help you. It's gonna limit your
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: playing time. Early coaches have to feel comfortable and Hurts
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: has got to feel comfortble he's going he's gonna be
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: We're supposed to be, right, you know, if time based offense,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: he's got to be there.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: And he's a slot receiver, so super important to this offense.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: And the thing is you can't I can't really get
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: a gauge of how much eleven personnel they're going to play.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: All the Wicks has really played himself into if if
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Lemon had not gotten hurt, Now what would Wicks be
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: doing this? Well, can't don't know that, right, but he's
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: been great and when Lemon gets healthy, he gives you
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: the ability to play a ton of eleven if they
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: wanted to, depending on like if you're going to get
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: the team, it's a terrible corner. You want to spread
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: them out, go heavy eleven, right, you know, but I
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: can't do that until you know what you.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Have true indeed, all right, so that that battle and
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I'll just throw in uh. Jake Elliott made all of
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: his field goals in the scrimmage that I was at.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I think he's been pretty good. I mean, there's nobody
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: been brought into camp. So as we talk about special teams,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: it's Jake Elliott and right now there's there's no as
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: long as he's making kicks, he's fine, and nobody's gonna
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: be brought into uh to challenge him.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: So well, that's here's the thing I wanted. I want
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: to tell about Corners real quick in a second.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I forgot. I'm sorry.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Well they're telling you what they think is they guaranteed
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: all of his cash, right that all five million? Like
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: he took a small pack cup, but they guarantee all
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: his cash.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, Like that's such a would have done. Yeah,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: I would have just guaranteed maybe half of it. Mh
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: and and and and brought in competition. But yeah, it
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: doesn't look like it's gonna happen.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Right, What do you want to say on corners?
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, I'm just trying to say it was Reek
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: at one corner, it was Quin. They're almost barely got
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: thrown at the U the practice that I was watched
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: that I watched.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so look, will looks really good. He looks fine.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: He's just not getting tested a lot. Particularly.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen WIX on him enough. But there are questions.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Jones is thirty three and September, so that means
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: he's this thirty three ye old player. The fourth corner
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: they don't have one. Williams mac McWilliams is hasn't solidified
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: himself as that guy. Neither's Bennett Ambry Thomas makes it
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: play every now and then Ringo is obviously not it. Yeah,
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Castro Fields, it's got good length of the former forty
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: nine er. I honestly you need a fourth corner because
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: what happens is if a starting gets hurt, that guy's
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: a third Yeah.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: So true, true, they need to do that and they
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: need to figure it out.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: And I was hoping we'd have an answer. We don't
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: have an answer. Like we answer just about all the things.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: We have an answer and kind of know where everything's going,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: don't know where the third I don't know where the
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: fourth corner is.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I think that the preseason games are really good for
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: two yeah, offense, and like to this point on just
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: how Marquise Brown has not really done a whole lot
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: of this camp. Well, now that I think about it,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: he's been running with the first team with DeVante Smith
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: not there and with Makai Lemon not there, right, so
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: he's basically being guarded every snap by either Riequoin or
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Quinnon Mitchell. So maybe that's more of an Eagles defense
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: being really good than Marquise Brown not not being so good.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: But it stands because these guys have been healthy, because
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: they've been out there, and because the gene still plays
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: a slot, we really haven't seen a whole lot of
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: those guys that you're talking about. Those debt guys get
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: a chance to show themselves against the first team competition.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the ones have been wix More and
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Brown and some Cooper, right, but that's a far drop off.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: From the smittee.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: And then of course Lemon had he not gotten hurt,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: because he's incredible in the short area physical, really good
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: short area quickness. Really haven't seen it since he's been
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: a net because he barely practiced in OTAs and he's
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: barely practicing training camp.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: He's behind.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Man, it's you know, if you're for I know people
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: ask this fantasy stuff every once in a while, and
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: now I'll just for this season.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: He's still draftable, but more for a dynasty league. Oh yeah,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: he's He's just too.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Far behind to be a factor, especially early later in
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: the season. Sure, yeah, I still need him.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: You need a snip receive, you know.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even you know I had him, I didn't. I
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: don't have him riding to high only also because I
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: can't see him being a big red zone guy, you know,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: because he's a shorter, middle of the field receiver guy.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I can see him catching, you know, by
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: the end of the year. I can see if he
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: gets himself to six or seven targets you know, per
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: game category, But what does that look like? Five for
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: fifty five? You know what I'm saying, Like, I just
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: he's not gonna be a guy. I think he's gonna
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: find the end zone a whole lot, but I could
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: be wrong.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: We'll see yeah, yeah, no, it's just gonna And then
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: before we get out of here, I forgot to talk
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: about this guy, because I'm looking at my notes here.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: My my favorite training camp sleeper is John Ojuku. That's
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: how you pronounce it for the pronounce pronounciation.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Guy, yep. Adjuku has been a story like he He
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: has been the backup left tackle quite a bit. And
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: it's interesting because Boise, he was a left tackle the Titans.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: It's weird.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: He started like six games, but five more as an
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: off a jumbo offensive lineman. One true start. We played
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: all the.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Snaps, but that was a right tackle yep, the Titans.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: So this kid has looked good. He's an athlete. He
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: was at the Combine, which is interesting. He wasn't drafted,
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Like that's rare to go to the Combine and not
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: be drafted.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: So at a Boise.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: But he's he's been a player so far. And Fred
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Johnson's on a one year deal. They don't know who
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: their swinging tackle is after the season.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: That's right. Uh he got bumped down the practice only
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: because Lane Johnson was back. So that's Fred and Marcel
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: a second team and then bumped yeah uh so yeah, yeah,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: we'll say again another thing where preseason tape will be
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: really really essential for him.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: But he's looked good though. He he's worth keeping an
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: eye on. I know people ask about Holland Pierce. It's
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'd be shocked if he made the team.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Never never say never.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: But as we've said for nine years, but that's pretty
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: much shit. That's pretty much it.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: I'll just say Cole Payton is fun to watch. He's
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: a ball of energy as a quarterback. I didn't really
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I knew he was not very tall, but it really
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: stands out watching him. I woulder if he's listed at
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: that but not six two. He just didn't not look
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: six two to me.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: He do one.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's small, stocky, gets the I think the
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: fast pace of the offense, like when they were running
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: like a two minute roll with him, that benefits him
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: because he's just like he's very frenetic. He did throw
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: an interception, which he's been doing a little bit, but
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: he also made some good throws in the one series
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: that he got. He's just fun to watch. I mean,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: he's not there's nothing to say about him other than
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I enjoy it. He just looked like a ball of
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: energy out there.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Well, he's actually hit combine heights two and five days.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: He's Yeah, but he's he looks like he's built like Tebow.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Ironically he's a lefty, and he threw a shot. But yeah, Peyton, like,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: every once in a while, you go, wow, that's a
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: great throw. Then the mechanics catch up with him and
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: it makes a guy wh's got a strong arm look
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: like he's got the pencil for it arm. Yeah, the
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: ball doesn't come out right and it flutters and it
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: looks really bad. He just needs major work on mechanics.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: He's just, yeah, so far away from being an NFL
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: quarterback that's been developed.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: But he was a fifth round pick, right right, you're
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: after right, because he threw a couple of twenty yard
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: or mid range that had real zip. I'm like, oh,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: he definitely has an arm. It's just that when he
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: throws deep, he must be mechanically unsound and that's what
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: makes it kind of die every once in a while. Yeah,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: So all right, good stuff, good stuff, Big week ahead,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: big week, more practices. The Eagles will get back on
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: the practice field. Monday and Tuesday, I believe, are the
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: days that they practice, and then they've got the twelfth off.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Then they practice at thirteenth. Fourteenth is off because it's
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the day before their preseason game in Baltimore against the Ravens.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: That's in Baltimore, right.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, it's actually yeah, they practice today, Monday, Tomorrow
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: and Tuesday walk through, Wednesday, Thursday practice.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: I'll be there.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: That's a light one. That'll be a light one Friday
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: to walkthrough. Then they leave later the afternoon to to
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they fly. I don't know why
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: they would fly. It's ridiculous, but maybe they do it
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: dulls yeah or I don't know, no, I mean to
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: whatever the the bwy anyway, Yeah, but anyway, Yeah, it's
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: Saturday at Baltimore. Or Andrew Decheco will be on the scene,
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: as he told me, so look forward to seeing what
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: he has to say in here.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: And we all will have more reports this week from
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: camp on Inside the Bird. That's going to do it
• 56:41
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• 56:44
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