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2/18/26: GOP Midterm Wipeout Polling, Zohran Rent Freeze Win, UAE Pressured On Sudan · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 3: We're still technically in a government shutdown.
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Speaker 4: Right, Yes, Democrats, I think you got to give them
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Speaker 4: their flowers for like effectively maneuvering the enough government funding
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Speaker 4: through that. Remember we were saying like this was their goal,
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Speaker 4: and they were pretty clear about it, and Republicans let
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Speaker 4: them do it. What they did is they got government
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Speaker 4: funding for everything except homeland security, and so then when
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Speaker 4: homelands Aready came up, they're like, no, we're not doing that. Partly,
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Speaker 4: I think it's the senators and the House members were
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Speaker 4: so proud of themselves forgetting appropriations bills through regular order. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: that they couldn't resist passing them through the House and
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Speaker 4: Senate because they haven't done that in like twenty years
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Speaker 4: or something like that.
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Speaker 5: That's a wild theory.
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Speaker 4: And Democrats are like, yeah, go go do that. Go ahead.
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Speaker 4: And now when with the government funded other than homeland security,
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Speaker 4: Democrats are sitting with all the leverage.
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Speaker 3: Well, and yeah, let's just set the table a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Dave Chappelle, let's put this up on the screen. Was
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Speaker 3: in Minnesota yesterday and visited a memorial to Alex Pratty.
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Speaker 6: This.
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Speaker 3: Of course, the reason Democrats feel fully confident pushing this
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Speaker 3: shutdown is because the base, the party's base is absolutely
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Speaker 3: demanding action against DHS and ICE after the violent January
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Speaker 3: in Minneapolis. And so the fall up from that is
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Speaker 3: trickling right now into this. And just yesterday we can
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Speaker 3: put the CNBC report up on the screen. This is
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Speaker 3: the next element. Democrats sent a counteroffer over to Trump. Now,
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Speaker 3: technically DHS is still funded pretty well funded right now,
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Speaker 3: because there was something in the one Big Beautiful bill.
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Speaker 5: That was passing in July to fund them.
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Speaker 3: But headline hears Democrats send Trump DHS funding counteroffers, agency
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Speaker 3: shutdown grinds on. So Schumer and jakeem Jeffries, but I
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Speaker 3: think this is actually.
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Speaker 5: Just a reference to Schumer's new counteroffer.
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Speaker 3: They are, as CNBC says, quote, locked in negotiations, and
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Speaker 3: they aren't saying. They literally did not say publicly what
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Speaker 3: was in the counteroffer yesterday.
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Speaker 5: So we don't know. Bred.
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Speaker 3: Do you have any sense of what Democrats might be
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Speaker 3: willing to seed in order? Because Democrats here are in
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Speaker 3: the minority that goes without saying Republicans control the House,
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Speaker 3: they control the Senate, they control the White House. What
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Speaker 3: might Dems actually be willing to concede on this?
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Speaker 4: Well, there's they're pushing for some you know, the kinds
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Speaker 4: of police reforms they're pushing for back in the teens,
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Speaker 4: like more body cams, which which people which people have
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Speaker 4: been Like we have footage of Nanna cole Good and
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Speaker 4: Alex pretty being shot and killed from like eight different directions,
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Speaker 4: Like a ninth is not changing a situation like there's
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Speaker 4: a there's a problem of accountability and impunity that is
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Speaker 4: leading to this, not the fact that we don't have
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Speaker 4: enough camera footage of what's.
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Speaker 3: Although I would argue in both of those cases, having
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Speaker 3: first person perspective from the officer or officers will go
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Speaker 3: to making their case for how threatened they actually were,
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Speaker 3: and then.
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Speaker 4: They should not have to be pressed to agree.
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Speaker 3: To that because in the good case, having his I mean,
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Speaker 3: the guy is holding his phone in his hand and
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Speaker 3: his gun and his other hand. The yeah, the officer
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Speaker 3: in that case, and so the GNOME actually did I
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Speaker 3: think at one point with Walls and Fry agree to
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Speaker 3: put body cams on everyone in Minnesota during Operation Metro Surge,
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Speaker 3: which is now over. So maybe that's something that the
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Speaker 3: Democrats can claim a win on if they get the
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Speaker 3: administration agreeing to supply almost everyone. I think it's like
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Speaker 3: the number that I remember is like some thirty percent
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Speaker 3: right now are wearing body cams. It's not even a majority.
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Speaker 3: So if they I mean, maybe that's a win that
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Speaker 3: Democrats can take to the base.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, that's one thing. The other things they have
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Speaker 4: pushed for are they want to end this like papers please,
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Speaker 4: Gestapo situation where they just go around a neighborhood mm hmm,
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Speaker 4: identifying anybody that they think is here illegally and asking
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Speaker 4: them for papers. They want to stop that. They want
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Speaker 4: to require a warrant, Like, hey, look, you say you've
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Speaker 4: got X number of millions of people who are here illegally.
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Speaker 4: You know where they live, you know who they are.
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Speaker 4: If you don't, you have an enormous budget. Go figure
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Speaker 4: that out and go find them. And the masks, like,
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Speaker 4: we don't want masked gunmen walking around the streets. Like
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Speaker 4: that's a major demand from Democrats on the Democratic base.
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Speaker 3: I just don't think that's one that the administration will
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Speaker 3: cave on. But I mean, I agree with it. I
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Speaker 3: think I don't think armed agents of the state should
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Speaker 3: be wearing masks. On the other hand, if I had
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Speaker 3: someone in if I had someone I love to work
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Speaker 3: in nice right now, would probably want them to be
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Speaker 3: wearing a mask for their own safety.
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Speaker 5: But then you shouldn't take the job.
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Speaker 4: So it's a it's a democracy. Like if you're armed,
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Speaker 4: if your agency is so despised by the public that
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Speaker 4: merely working in it is a threat to your family,
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Speaker 4: The agency is the problem, not the people, is what
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Speaker 4: I would say. But people are like Democrats are just
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Speaker 4: absolutely completely fed up with this.
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Speaker 3: So New York Times focus group isting Ryan's Spidey sense
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Speaker 3: of what the Democratic Party's base looks like. Right now,
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Speaker 3: let's just put this image up on the screen. New
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Speaker 3: York Times asked their focus group who a candidate who
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Speaker 3: identifies as progressive or a candidate who identifies as moderate.
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Speaker 3: Every single person in the focus group, across the demographic spectrum,
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Speaker 3: from every different Cohort said a progressive candidate, and for
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Speaker 3: a moderate candidate, The New York Times reports, no one
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Speaker 3: raised a hand. Now, this is a feast for somebody
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Speaker 3: who wrote the books that you've written, Ryan, Like, this
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Speaker 3: is a veritable feast of different It's.
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Speaker 4: Bitter sweet because it's like, if you would have listened
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Speaker 4: to us when it mattered, then we might not be here.
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Speaker 4: So it's very bittersweet to have people come around and
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Speaker 4: be like, Okay, yeah, actually good, you were right. Well yeah,
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Speaker 4: well we're still in hell.
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Speaker 5: Okay.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 3: But also it's interesting, like how you define how people
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Speaker 3: are going to define moderate progress, because are they defining
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Speaker 3: progressive as a lista slotkin. Do you remember in the
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Speaker 3: two thousand and eight Democratic primary, it was a big
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Speaker 3: deal for Hillary Clinton to identify herself as a progressive.
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Speaker 3: It was like a question at the base.
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Speaker 4: Meant yeah, it meant it meant something back then, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 4: and then twenty twenty kind of lost its meaning because
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Speaker 4: everybody adopted it. But then by twenty twenty four, in
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Speaker 4: the backlash around BLM and everything and the woke stuff
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Speaker 4: you did, you had a little bit of a sheen
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Speaker 4: come off of progressive and it became it meant more
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Speaker 4: to say you were progressive. Now, people witnessing what moderation
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Speaker 4: gets you are saying, I don't I don't want to
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Speaker 4: be I don't want anything to.
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Speaker 3: Do with that, which is very interesting because on the
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Speaker 3: one hand, there are obvious analyzes about voters seeing and
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Speaker 3: there's primaries and general elections obviously, but voters seeing Democrats
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Speaker 3: as having gone a little wacky on some of the
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Speaker 3: cultural stuff and pulling on some of the cultural stuff
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Speaker 3: suggests that's absolutely true that them's got on the wrong
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Speaker 3: side of some different issues. So that's going to be
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Speaker 3: a very very interesting question post primary for DEM's running
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Speaker 3: in Nebraska or well independent like a Dan Osborne running Nebraska,
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Speaker 3: or a Grand Platner running in Maine or Tallarico or
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Speaker 3: Crockett running in Texas. That's what I'm curious is how
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Speaker 3: people who are defining themselves as progressive are approaching those
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Speaker 3: issues because I don't know what that means.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's to get a sense of how bad
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Speaker 4: it is for Democrats. Let's roll, I mean for Republicans.
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Speaker 4: Even Kamala Harris is like, if you did a redo
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Speaker 4: right now with Trump, the public is saying that they
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Speaker 4: would actually elect Kamala. So let's roll Harriett in the CNN.
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Speaker 7: Here choice for twenty twenty four presidential election. The actual
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Speaker 7: was Donald Trump winning by about a point and a
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Speaker 7: half rounds to a point. But take a look here
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Speaker 7: in a polled redo between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris
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Speaker 7: in April of twenty twenty five, it was within the
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Speaker 7: margin of error, right, Kamala Harris by point.
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Speaker 4: But look at where we are now.
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Speaker 7: According to an NBC News survey monkey, Paul Kamala Harris
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Speaker 7: wins in a redo, asking folks, essentially, if you could
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Speaker 7: redo the twenty twenty four election, how would you vote?
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Speaker 7: She wins it by get this eight points, a massive
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Speaker 7: shift from what we saw back in November of twenty
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Speaker 7: twenty four, when Donald Trump won by a point. And
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Speaker 7: I will note that this sample was weighted waited to
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Speaker 7: the twenty twenty four result in which Donald Trump won
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Speaker 7: by a point. But yet Kamala Harris in this rewaight.
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Speaker 4: It's in this weighted sample.
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Speaker 7: Get this, she wins by eight Amongst the sample that
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Speaker 7: voted for Trump by one twenty twenty four Harris voters,
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Speaker 7: they vote for the Democrats on average by get this,
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Speaker 7: eighty nine points. The Trump voters mostly stick by the Republicans,
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Speaker 7: but by a significantly smaller margin, by eighty three points.
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Speaker 7: This meet means that the Democratic base that voted for
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Speaker 7: Kamala Harris is sticking with those congressional Democratic candidates to
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Speaker 7: a much greater degree than those Trump voters are sticking
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Speaker 7: with the Republican candidates for Congress. And that is why
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Speaker 7: what you're seeing on that generic congressional ballot is Democrats
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Speaker 7: leaping ahead by this point by about five points, because
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Speaker 7: at least at this point, that Trump voters are not
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Speaker 7: sticking by the Republicans as much as the Harris voters
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Speaker 7: are sticking by the Democrats. Voter's choice for election for
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Speaker 7: the twenty six congressional elections if they didn't vote in
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Speaker 7: twenty twenty four, Look at this, Democrats are winning that
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Speaker 7: vote by a significant margin, by sixteen percentage points. So
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Speaker 7: you add on to that the Harris voters sticking with
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Speaker 7: the Democratic candidates all of a sudden, you see, Hey,
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Speaker 7: this is the way that Democrats are going to get
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Speaker 7: back to their congressional majority. And more than that, I
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Speaker 7: will note that in twenty twenty four, of course, the
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Speaker 7: Trump voters, or the people who voted for Trump, he
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Speaker 7: actually won a larger share of those non twenty twenty voters.
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Speaker 7: It's not just the House, it's the Senate as well.
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Speaker 7: Democrats chance to win the Senate a year ago is
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Speaker 7: nineteen percent of cording to Koshi, thirty percent six months ago,
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Speaker 7: and now Democrats have a forty percent chance of taking
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Speaker 7: back the US Senate nine points one.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the combination of those two things is a wipeout.
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Speaker 4: I would I don't even think the curious fear of
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Speaker 4: take I think the forty percent under rates at this point,
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Speaker 4: maybe not Democrats chances of taking the Senate, but that
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Speaker 4: those two numbers combined that the people who did vote
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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four now going heavily you know, forged
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Speaker 4: Democrats and the people who didn't vote in twenty twenty
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Speaker 4: four but intend to vote in twenty twenty six them
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Speaker 4: being heavily democratic. Also, the combination of that means a
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Speaker 4: wipeout for Republicans in the midterms, because you saw the numbers.
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Speaker 4: You know, people who didn't vote in twenty twenty favored
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Speaker 4: Trump heavily in twenty twenty four. That's a that's a
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Speaker 4: key figure that people who either weren't old enough to
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Speaker 4: vote or just didn't want to, when they come in,
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Speaker 4: they tilt the electorate in an in sometimes unpredictable ways.
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Speaker 4: If you have a shift that big, Susan Collins loses
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Speaker 4: even to Janet Mills, who's not going to win the primary,
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Speaker 4: by the way, like she's getting I think Platter's gonna
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Speaker 4: beat her fairly, fairly convincingly. We'll see Nebraska might go,
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Speaker 4: Alaska goes like Mary Paltola wins this Alaska seat. If
12:23
Speaker 4: that's the desiment, people are so mad at what the
12:26
Speaker 4: federal government has done to Alaska. Iowa is in play. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 4: say Nathan Stage dropped out, but Iowa is in like
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Speaker 4: a depression, like they're Trump's killing Iowa. Deep red that's
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Speaker 4: in play. Shared Brown with those numbers can win in Ohio,
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Speaker 4: North Carolina probably Democratic with those numbers, ostaf cruizes and
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Speaker 4: is like top tier presidential candidate with those numbers. Don't
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Speaker 4: get I don't Texas. Forget it, Texas.
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Speaker 3: I don't mean I was so close last time.
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Speaker 4: Genuinely, if you guys go ahead and pick that crazy
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Speaker 4: attorney general me.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Ken Paxton race.
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Speaker 4: Cornyn Paxton thoroughly corrupt professionally and personally and might be
13:20
Speaker 4: the nominee. And if he goes up then against taller Rico. Okay,
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Speaker 4: I'll like watch it. I'm not gonna believe it, but
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Speaker 4: I will pay attention.
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Speaker 3: For the record, I have no dog in the Texas
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Speaker 3: Republican primary, or to the extent, my only real dog
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Speaker 3: in that fight is that John Cornyn is a establishment
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Speaker 3: McConnell tool. So I'll say that that doesn't mean the
13:43
Speaker 3: other options are great either.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So, speaking of which, that's exactly what.
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Speaker 5: I was just going to say.
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Speaker 3: My caveat to everything you just laid out about the
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Speaker 3: climate being unfavorable to Republicans, it's that I went back
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Speaker 3: and recently pulled the numbers compared to twenty eighteen, which
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Speaker 3: was a massive blue wave of US tsunami Republican favorability,
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Speaker 3: DEM favorability, right, now, Dems are at negative nineteen point nine.
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Speaker 3: Republicans are at negative twelve point eight. The Democratic Party
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Speaker 3: is less favorable nationwide than the Republican Party, even though
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is so unfavorable. People do not like Democrats.
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Speaker 3: They just don't like Democrats. Now, Dems still lead in
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Speaker 3: the congressional ballot right now, but by a smaller margin
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Speaker 3: than they did at this point in twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 4: So what's that lead looking like? Now, let me.
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Speaker 5: Pull the RCP here.
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Speaker 3: Well, I find that I will keep Okay, here's okay,
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Speaker 3: So Dems have a plus four point six.
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Speaker 4: Spread right now, plus six plus four points plus four
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Speaker 4: point six, Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Got it, plus four point six.
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Speaker 3: So I mean it's actually fairly healthy at this point,
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Speaker 3: but it is lower than where they were at this
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Speaker 3: point in twenty eighteen, or at least as at the
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Speaker 3: time that I published that last story. So anyway, the
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Speaker 3: problem that Democrats will have is getting people to the
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Speaker 3: polls to counter disillusionment with the party. Now, Republicans are
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Speaker 3: going to have that problem too, because Donald Trump is
15:14
Speaker 3: not on the ballot, and the disillusionment when Donald Trump
15:17
Speaker 3: is on the ballot makes people stay home vote for
15:20
Speaker 3: the dem In some cases if it's an independent, but
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Speaker 3: that's a I mean independent voters in general elections like Maine,
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Speaker 3: for example, certainly in Texas, certainly in Georgia, certainly in Alaska.
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Speaker 3: If independents don't like Democrats, that's the caveat.
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Speaker 5: I do think things are.
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Speaker 3: The climate looks good for Democrats for maybe a blue wave,
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Speaker 3: but is it a blue tsunami the type of which
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Speaker 3: that sweeps, you know, ass off into a healthy reelection.
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Speaker 3: Possibly someone from Texas, possibly someone from Alaska, Dan Osbourne
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Speaker 3: and Nebraska. I don't know that yet. And Osbourne obviously
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Speaker 3: is running as an independent. But Democrats are carrying a
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Speaker 3: lot of They're carrying a lot of weight.
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Speaker 5: The brand is carrying a lot of weight right now.
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Speaker 4: It is so yeah. In a midterm, though, people are
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Speaker 4: almost always voting against something than for something, and that
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Speaker 4: was the case in twenty ten. They were voting against
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Speaker 4: you know, they came out against Obama and Democrats and
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Speaker 4: the status quo ninety four, twenty eighteen, two thousand and six.
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Speaker 4: Like two thousand and six, Democrats are not popular, but
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Speaker 4: Bush was much more hated. And so the only option
16:39
Speaker 4: that we give to voters to express their anger in
16:41
Speaker 4: a midterm is to vote for the other party and
16:45
Speaker 4: so and because you're not going to put them in power.
16:48
Speaker 4: I think it's easier for people you're not going to
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Speaker 4: put them in the White House. So in two thousand
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Speaker 4: and six, you might not like Nancy Blosi and Harry Reid,
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Speaker 4: but you really didn't like Donald Remsfeld and George Bush
16:59
Speaker 4: and Dick Cheney. M So you're like fine Democrats. So
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Speaker 4: I think that's what they're going to do this time.
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Speaker 4: Fine Democrats. And I hope Democrats don't confuse that for love.
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Speaker 3: Love, right, Yeah, that's it's a fine line.
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Speaker 5: It's a fine line speaking of love.
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Speaker 3: Bryan Mom Donnie beloved by all, by all the people.
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Speaker 4: Do we have any polling on him? That guy is
17:28
Speaker 4: just just killing it. Like the funny thing about a
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Speaker 4: mayor is that like the job is to be hated
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Speaker 4: and he'll get there. I was going to say, give
17:36
Speaker 4: him time. It's only been there six weeks, seven weeks
17:39
Speaker 4: at this point. Usually a mayor by this point can't
17:42
Speaker 4: walk outside grazing mansion without getting hackled. But if we
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Speaker 4: put up I think it's the third element. The news
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Speaker 4: now is that Mam Donnie is going to be able
17:53
Speaker 4: to appoint a majority of people on the on the
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Speaker 4: Rent Guidelines Board, which will then allow him to enact
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Speaker 4: his one of his most prominent and most criticized campaign promises,
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Speaker 4: which is to freeze the rent. And this is a
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Speaker 4: good moment to think about all of the people who
18:13
Speaker 4: put themselves out there as you know, experts on the
18:17
Speaker 4: democratic process and on politics and what these are the
18:21
Speaker 4: well actually types of nerds who inject themselves into these
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Speaker 4: conversations and say, well, actually, you know all, but he
18:30
Speaker 4: needs to sign off on any taxi increases, so it
18:34
Speaker 4: doesn't matter what he's and what Mom Donnie says, And
18:36
Speaker 4: they say here, well, actually the rent Stabilization Board, the
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Speaker 4: Rent Guideline Board. Uh, you know, there are a lot
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Speaker 4: of tenures that will be hanging over for a long time.
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Speaker 5: We never get you in characters, so this is.
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Speaker 8: A rare treat.
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Speaker 4: And so uh they basically they said, Mom Donnie can't
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Speaker 4: he can't I good with that tweet. Mam Donnie cannot
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Speaker 4: on his own freeze the rent. So stop getting excited
19:03
Speaker 4: about what this guy is promising you he's going to do.
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Speaker 4: And other people said, look, with enough will there is
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Speaker 4: a way with public pressure the board will do what
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Speaker 4: the mayor wants to do because they don't want to
19:23
Speaker 4: get in the way of this public will. And right
19:27
Speaker 4: as he left office, Eric Adams tried to install a
19:34
Speaker 4: landlord friendly member to this board for a period of
19:38
Speaker 4: time that would have made it difficult for that for
19:41
Speaker 4: Mom Donnie to have full control of the board and
19:44
Speaker 4: execute it on his agenda. Guess what that guy said,
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Speaker 4: No way, are you kidding me? Like, if you are
19:54
Speaker 4: a landlord friendly type of person that Eric Adams is
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Speaker 4: going to put on the board, you're probably doing pretty
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Speaker 4: well in your life. You may have some difficulties at home.
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Speaker 4: You know, there's probably some unhappiness somewhere in your soul
20:10
Speaker 4: as a result of how you got where you are,
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Speaker 4: But you're doing pretty good, like your life is. Life
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Speaker 4: is pretty good. And Eric Adams is like, why don't
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Speaker 4: you be the face of rent increases against mayor Mom Donnie.
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Speaker 4: And so they nominated this person and we won't even
20:29
Speaker 4: name them because why make them infamous. In fact, we'll
20:33
Speaker 4: give them credit. But when it was too late for
20:35
Speaker 4: Eric Adams to do anything about it, the person said, actually,
20:38
Speaker 4: how about I don't do that? How about I don't
20:41
Speaker 4: spend the next several years being the face of rent increases.
20:47
Speaker 4: The guy standing in the way of this democratic mandate
20:51
Speaker 4: for freezing the rent, he might not. This guy probably
20:55
Speaker 4: thinks freezing the rent is a terrible idea for all
20:58
Speaker 4: the reasons. Lots of people think it's a terrible life.
21:01
Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to work. I'll go on
21:03
Speaker 5: the record right now, people of New York City.
21:05
Speaker 4: You know what am I not?
21:08
Speaker 5: Uh?
21:09
Speaker 4: But it's what it's going to do is bring relief
21:10
Speaker 4: to a lot of people in the in the short term,
21:14
Speaker 4: and then it will put pressure on politicians to get
21:18
Speaker 4: it right. As a long term solution, there's a lot too.
21:22
Speaker 3: And you know, I think Zorammdani actually, if he were
21:24
Speaker 3: sitting with us right now, he probably would say the
21:28
Speaker 3: long term solution is the more important policy.
21:31
Speaker 4: Right right, And sort of like tariffs in a way,
21:35
Speaker 4: like the tariffs for Trump, we're a stand in, yes,
21:40
Speaker 4: for they were a proxy for Trump understands that things
21:46
Speaker 4: suck and that we're getting ripped off. People are ripping
21:50
Speaker 4: you off, and he's going to do something about it.
21:53
Speaker 3: Uh.
21:54
Speaker 4: Not that tariffs alone are going to fix everything, or
21:58
Speaker 4: that tariff's long term the way is implementing them or
22:01
Speaker 4: even a good idea.
22:02
Speaker 5: Of course he can.
22:02
Speaker 4: There's I think there's a similarity there. The freeze the
22:05
Speaker 4: rent was a stand in for fixed problems for no
22:09
Speaker 4: for like housing is unaffordable, life is unaffordable in New
22:13
Speaker 4: York City, and and I care, and I'm going to
22:15
Speaker 4: do what I can to try to reverse that. Now,
22:20
Speaker 4: do you want to make the counter argument I can
22:22
Speaker 4: even make. We can all make them. But what to
22:27
Speaker 4: the rent freeze?
22:28
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, there are obvious counter arguments, But the
22:30
Speaker 3: one thing I would say in the short term that
22:31
Speaker 3: becomes a real threat to people who find themselves in
22:34
Speaker 3: precarious housing situations is that landlords act even worse then
22:38
Speaker 3: gets the rent gets frozen, they stop fixing things, they
22:41
Speaker 3: stop they let you live in abjects squalor, And so
22:45
Speaker 3: the mayor's going to have to then be policing that
22:49
Speaker 3: even harder, like housing codes and regulations and all of that.
22:54
Speaker 3: On the other hand, can you get people into I mean,
22:58
Speaker 3: can he build I don't know, can he build the
23:00
Speaker 3: types of places that people.
23:01
Speaker 5: Want to move into.
23:02
Speaker 3: Can you increase supply in a way that doesn't just
23:06
Speaker 3: leave people stuck? You can freeze the rent, and it's
23:07
Speaker 3: going to be frozen at an unacceptably high level for
23:10
Speaker 3: a lot of people. That's kind of the problem with
23:12
Speaker 3: the New York City to begin with.
23:13
Speaker 4: So yeah, and to me, it's an incomplete policy like
23:16
Speaker 4: you would need like if you're going to freeze it.
23:19
Speaker 4: And what often happens if somebody a tenant leaves and
23:24
Speaker 4: the place needs somewhere between ten and fifty thousand.
23:28
Speaker 5: Dollars, so you get empty spaces.
23:29
Speaker 4: You got it. Yeah, because for a new tenant, you
23:32
Speaker 4: want to make the place to look better and you
23:33
Speaker 4: want to fix all the problems that exist, and that
23:36
Speaker 4: can that can end up being fairly expensive. And if
23:40
Speaker 4: it costs forty thousand dollars to rehab the unit, there's
23:44
Speaker 4: a lot. But let's say it costs forty thousand rehab
23:46
Speaker 4: the unit and you can't move the rent yep to
23:51
Speaker 4: cover that cost.
23:52
Speaker 5: Because construction's expensive in New York.
23:54
Speaker 4: Then what a lot of landlords do is they just
23:57
Speaker 4: leave it empty, YEP. And that's not like nobody would
23:59
Speaker 4: argue that we should leave units empty.
24:01
Speaker 3: I think Zoran has actually talked about that too, Like
24:03
Speaker 3: empty units. There's tons of like ghost units.
24:06
Speaker 4: But be like, Okay, we're asking you to subsidize against
24:12
Speaker 4: the market rate by keeping this rent underneath the market
24:15
Speaker 4: rent market rate. So we then as the city, are
24:18
Speaker 4: going to come in and we'll rehab it for you,
24:21
Speaker 4: like do that at.
24:22
Speaker 3: Least, like, well, let's put this on the screen. I mean,
24:26
Speaker 3: this is E four. This is going to be a
24:29
Speaker 3: st This is mom Donnie doing a little bit of
24:31
Speaker 3: doge because even before he was elected, he was the
24:35
Speaker 3: guy who was holding court speaking fluent abundance in conversations
24:40
Speaker 3: with Derek Thompson. So listen to Mayor, mom Donnie, this
24:45
Speaker 3: is the next stop.
24:46
Speaker 8: We are being as aggressive as we can and recognizing
24:50
Speaker 8: additional revenue and have surpassed the state in our estimates
24:53
Speaker 8: of personal income tax, corporate tax, and sales tax. But
24:57
Speaker 8: responsible governance is not only about revenue. It is also
25:01
Speaker 8: about discipline. That means finding savings across city government, reducing
25:05
Speaker 8: bureaucratic waste, and rendering agencies more efficient and cost effective.
25:10
Speaker 8: That is why I signed an executive order establishing a
25:12
Speaker 8: chief Savings officer in every city agency. Chief Savings officers
25:18
Speaker 8: or CSOs have a simple remit identifying savings within the agencies.
25:23
Speaker 8: They serve. They will consolidate redundancies, insource programs that have
25:27
Speaker 8: been outsourced to bloated consultant contracts, and eliminate extraneous programs.
25:32
Speaker 8: Each CSO will issue a public report by March twentieth
25:36
Speaker 8: detailing the savings they have found and provide updated assessments
25:39
Speaker 8: every six month. These CSOs will have clear goals one
25:43
Speaker 8: point five percent in savings in fiscal year twenty twenty
25:46
Speaker 8: six and two point five percent in fiscal year twenty
25:49
Speaker 8: twenty seven.
25:50
Speaker 3: I mean, he's picking all the low hanging fruit, Ryan,
25:51
Speaker 3: he's putting in the subway. He's doing an obvious thing
25:54
Speaker 3: where he's as a progressive Democrat, democratic socialist going out
25:59
Speaker 3: and saying we're a point chief Savings officers to get
26:02
Speaker 3: a report within a month basically about savings that they
26:05
Speaker 3: found throughout the government. So coupling rent control with a
26:08
Speaker 3: little bit of doge is at least better than not,
26:11
Speaker 3: I suppose.
26:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the beauty of this to me is that
26:16
Speaker 4: it and we had Christian Parenti on here saying that
26:19
Speaker 4: Left needs to embrace some austerity.
26:21
Speaker 3: He literally made exactly yes, the argument for what zaraon
26:25
Speaker 3: Mndani just did.
26:26
Speaker 4: Yeah, and The argument is that if you and the
26:30
Speaker 4: public like care about the care about the government doing
26:34
Speaker 4: good things, it has to do them efficiently and effectively. Yeah,
26:38
Speaker 4: And that the government's purpose is to benefit the public,
26:45
Speaker 4: not just to kind of make work for government workers.
26:50
Speaker 4: And under the Tammany Hall kind of style of city politics,
26:56
Speaker 4: it becomes its own thing, yes, and its own power base.
27:00
Speaker 4: But if you want to really radically use it to
27:04
Speaker 4: make as as a kind of force for working people
27:09
Speaker 4: in the city, working people have to believe that the
27:12
Speaker 4: government is that they are the government, The government is them,
27:15
Speaker 4: that they're and they're working as one, rather than that
27:19
Speaker 4: the government is this thing that is its own separate
27:22
Speaker 4: entity that is actually just trying to extract from you
27:25
Speaker 4: and too many working people I think correctly, not I
27:29
Speaker 4: wouldn't say correctly, but like fairly and in many cases
27:33
Speaker 4: correctly have identified the city governments as like just extractive
27:40
Speaker 4: and that then their goal then is then to get
27:42
Speaker 4: the jobs in government or to get you know, if
27:44
Speaker 4: their cousin works in this department, they can get in
27:47
Speaker 4: that department too. And that's not sustainable and it's not
27:51
Speaker 4: a way to scale up. You want working for everybody,
27:54
Speaker 4: So good for Mom Donnie for embracing this, because like
28:00
Speaker 4: it's too easy to just to not do it. Yeah,
28:04
Speaker 4: go the next And so why DOSEE could have been good?
28:07
Speaker 4: Dose could have been great if like Doge came in
28:10
Speaker 4: and was like, wait a minute, you're all using these
28:12
Speaker 4: like nineteen eighty four computers running on Microsoft Windows ninety eight, Like,
28:18
Speaker 4: let's upgrade this stuff. We're gonna let's make it so
28:21
Speaker 4: you can do your job more efficiently. It's going to
28:24
Speaker 4: cost a little money here, but it's going to save
28:27
Speaker 4: all of this money down the road. That would have
28:31
Speaker 4: been one of the best services. Al Gore tried to
28:34
Speaker 4: do that.
28:34
Speaker 3: Remember, Yeah, but to your point, Doge lost the public
28:38
Speaker 3: trust really quickly. And to undertake significant reforms, you have
28:46
Speaker 3: to have public trust, and they lost public trust. And actually,
28:49
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask about this because this I just
28:51
Speaker 3: remember broke last night. I'm curious what your take of
28:54
Speaker 3: this is. New York Posts. So they don't like may
28:57
Speaker 3: or Mom Donnie to say the least two. By the way,
28:59
Speaker 3: producer Max says, he's up plus sixteen. He's up sixteen
29:02
Speaker 3: points in his approval rating, So interesting, Mom Donny.
29:07
Speaker 4: He won by about fifteen, So that's up, so he's
29:09
Speaker 4: like even more, it's unusual to go northward.
29:12
Speaker 3: We'll see how that continues. But here's the headline. Mom
29:15
Speaker 3: Donnie brings back homeless in campment sweeps, turning on campaign
29:17
Speaker 3: promise after backlashing over cold weather deaths. So the New
29:20
Speaker 3: York Post is reporting that he's expected to reverse course
29:24
Speaker 3: on this campaign promise because of this deadly cold snap,
29:28
Speaker 3: in which I think at least ten people have died
29:32
Speaker 3: on the streets of New York City has been very,
29:34
Speaker 3: very cold, and sources have told The New York Post
29:36
Speaker 3: that that is going to start, possibly as soon as today.
29:40
Speaker 5: Very interesting.
29:41
Speaker 3: The Post says the city's Department of Homeless Services, which
29:44
Speaker 3: has been left in the large with zero guidance since
29:45
Speaker 3: Mom Donnie's order came down to halt the sweeps last month,
29:47
Speaker 3: will again take the lead on issuing notices to people
29:50
Speaker 3: living on the streets. Sources said that was an Eric
29:54
Speaker 3: Adams policy. It's been unpopular with people on the left.
29:58
Speaker 3: But my perspective on that is it can save lives.
30:02
Speaker 3: I wonder if that's bear Mum Donnie's perspective, having been
30:05
Speaker 3: in power for about a month now, if that actually
30:07
Speaker 3: is worth the life saving efforts and just bitterly cold
30:13
Speaker 3: weather in New York City. So I don't know, right,
30:17
Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of that. Actually, to
30:18
Speaker 3: be honest.
30:19
Speaker 4: This seems like a case of where you're well meaning
30:22
Speaker 4: left orthodoxy ran into this fear ice storm and snowstorm right,
30:31
Speaker 4: And I'm glad he's you're readjusting this. On the other hand,
30:35
Speaker 4: the orthodoxy comes from a serious place where criminalizing homelessness
30:43
Speaker 4: has its own has its own obvious problems like this.
30:47
Speaker 4: It's not a solution either, but certainly in these like
30:53
Speaker 4: you know, freezing freezing temperatures for long stretches of times,
30:57
Speaker 4: it's just incredibly unsafe and can be deadly to be
31:01
Speaker 4: out in the cold. Then, so the government has some responsibility.
31:05
Speaker 4: You got to, like, can't You don't want people to
31:08
Speaker 4: just die in the streets.
31:09
Speaker 3: Well, I'm curious to see how he handles questions that
31:12
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's going to get from New York City
31:13
Speaker 3: Press Corps about this, because listen, I think people actually
31:17
Speaker 3: respect when you are leveling with them as a politician.
31:22
Speaker 3: You say, listen, like this was we had people dying,
31:25
Speaker 3: and I did what I had to do. You know,
31:28
Speaker 3: that's that's how it goes. So I don't know, I'm
31:30
Speaker 3: curious how he handles that.
31:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see, but yeah.
31:32
Speaker 3: Because he's not actually afraid to like color outside the lines.
31:37
Speaker 3: As we're pointing out with him doing dog in New
31:39
Speaker 3: York City, is that that hasn't ever been like a
31:43
Speaker 3: huge barricade for him.
31:47
Speaker 4: And the storm is interesting context than the snow for
31:52
Speaker 4: his popularity rating, Like you could easily imagine a world
31:56
Speaker 4: where the city was just wrecked by by this, by
32:02
Speaker 4: this dump of snow, and that he's at like the
32:07
Speaker 4: thirties in popularity already, Like this was a difficult situation.
32:10
Speaker 4: New York seems to have handled it much better than DC.
32:13
Speaker 4: In fact, thankfully the forty degree days are now getting
32:18
Speaker 4: us out of this, but the city was struggling so
32:23
Speaker 4: and no, Mom, Donnie was very out there and energetic
32:26
Speaker 4: out there, like with the cruise and like doing the
32:29
Speaker 4: mayor thing, which you know they're they're probably some people
32:34
Speaker 4: are like, oh the problem with these left wing cannas,
32:37
Speaker 4: they're not. They don't They're just going to be lost
32:40
Speaker 4: in like the Ivory Tower of socialist ideas, but not
32:43
Speaker 4: not get into the streets and actually do the job
32:47
Speaker 4: of being a mayor, but he was just the number
32:49
Speaker 4: one job of being a mayor is blowing the streets
32:52
Speaker 4: when it snows hit.
32:53
Speaker 3: But he was so aware of that, like deeply aware
32:57
Speaker 3: of what went wrong with the Blasio. So we'll see
32:59
Speaker 3: if you can stave that off in his own tenure
33:03
Speaker 3: at Gracie Manor.
33:04
Speaker 5: Let's move on a Sudan line.
33:08
Speaker 4: In Sudan, the Sudanese Army, in a wave of drone
33:14
Speaker 4: strikes in Cordifon and the Sinar States over a period
33:18
Speaker 4: of a couple of days, killed upwards of sixty people,
33:23
Speaker 4: at least at least twenty six of them civilians. In
33:28
Speaker 4: West Cortifon. In North Kurtofon, twenty eight people were killed
33:34
Speaker 4: when an SAF drone struck a market, according to the
33:39
Speaker 4: Emergency Lawyers group operating there. The Sudan Doctors Network reported
33:44
Speaker 4: three killed in shelling and blamed that on the UAE
33:49
Speaker 4: backed RSF and some sources at a hospital was directly
33:55
Speaker 4: hit in that case. This comes as at the Munich
34:00
Speaker 4: Security Conference, finally we started seeing some pressure applied to
34:07
Speaker 4: the UAE in particular, which has evaded kind of all
34:10
Speaker 4: responsibility for this catastrophe. That they have begotten, and the
34:15
Speaker 4: US is putting forward a proposal to the kind of
34:19
Speaker 4: the quartet of countries that are kind of behind this,
34:24
Speaker 4: behind this war. Let's roll f two here.
34:26
Speaker 9: You've been very involved in peace talks, particularly with the
34:30
Speaker 9: quad which we were talking about earlier, which is the US, Egypt,
34:34
Speaker 9: the UAE, and Saudi Arabia. So can you just updat us?
34:39
Speaker 9: Is it peace in our time?
34:41
Speaker 2: You know?
34:41
Speaker 9: Can we be hopeful?
34:43
Speaker 6: We've done extensive work. We've been in continuous contact with
34:49
Speaker 6: both parties to work on the quadrode map that we
34:56
Speaker 6: put out on September twelfth. The roadmap starts with a
35:01
Speaker 6: humanitarian truth and ends with the political transition process. So
35:07
Speaker 6: on the humanitarian truths, we presented an initiative. We presented
35:13
Speaker 6: a strong text to the parties that addresses all aspects
35:19
Speaker 6: of this let's call it temporary ceasefire or truths. We
35:26
Speaker 6: have also engaged in extensive consultations with both sides, and
35:30
Speaker 6: then we've reached at some point an understanding that it
35:35
Speaker 6: will be most useful to go through a U N mechanism,
35:39
Speaker 6: so we proceeded with that. We've been working with the
35:42
Speaker 6: with oddshas specifically and with the U N Secretary General
35:47
Speaker 6: and his team to come up with the UN mechanism
35:52
Speaker 6: that will help implement and monitor this this ceasefire or.
35:57
Speaker 4: This humanitarian truths.
35:59
Speaker 6: And we've worked on it for weeks and I can
36:01
Speaker 6: say that we allnounced that in Washington a few days ago,
36:05
Speaker 6: along with our partner Tom Fletcher, that we we do
36:10
Speaker 6: have a draft mechanism. It's going to be hopefully finalized
36:16
Speaker 6: very soon by the Secretary General's office, and we will
36:19
Speaker 6: be ready at that point in time, hopefully within days,
36:22
Speaker 6: to present the final draft to the to the parties
36:26
Speaker 6: and get hopefully get their approval.
36:29
Speaker 4: And the reason there is hope that this could be
36:31
Speaker 4: ended is that if the if the UEE were to
36:34
Speaker 4: back off, most outside observers believe that that this would
36:39
Speaker 4: have to be you have to wind up in a
36:41
Speaker 4: in a negotiated solution. The ue has completely escaped any
36:45
Speaker 4: pressure internationally from the from the US. At the UN
36:49
Speaker 4: Security Conference Channel Foards, Lindsey Hilstom asked the American advisor
36:56
Speaker 4: Masad Blows if it was time to get nasty with
36:59
Speaker 4: the ue and finally put some pressure on Let's roll this.
37:03
Speaker 9: There's enough talking, because I understand that you bring together
37:06
Speaker 9: all these different parties, but it seems to me that
37:09
Speaker 9: this is the time. It's the time to get nasty,
37:12
Speaker 9: isn't it. Isn't it the time to put real leverage
37:16
Speaker 9: on the countries that are arming these factions, and the
37:18
Speaker 9: US has more leverage. President Trump has more power than
37:23
Speaker 9: anyone else. Come on, you can do it.
37:26
Speaker 4: I agree with you.
37:27
Speaker 6: We've been quite patient, and we've been we've been quite accommodating.
37:31
Speaker 6: We wanted to make sure it's a successful process. We've
37:34
Speaker 6: been engaging with both sides and all the relevant actors. However,
37:39
Speaker 6: too much time has gone by, and it's really it's
37:41
Speaker 6: about time to act. In fact, next week at the
37:44
Speaker 6: UN with the Honorable Secretary Cooper, we're going to have
37:48
Speaker 6: some serious talk and action.
37:51
Speaker 1: You know, what is the.
37:51
Speaker 9: Pressure you're putting on him? What is the pressure you're
37:53
Speaker 9: putting on him? Metic? What is the pressure you're putting
37:55
Speaker 9: on Abu Dhabi to stop taking the gold which is
37:58
Speaker 9: coming out of Sudan at five thousand dollars an ounce?
38:01
Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah.
38:04
Speaker 6: Regarding again regarding the external support, our position is very clear,
38:08
Speaker 6: not just us, but all our partners within the Quad
38:11
Speaker 6: and all all the other partners. We are totally against
38:15
Speaker 6: any sort of external support that we're seeing, and we're
38:19
Speaker 6: seeing it coming from all sorts of different different sources,
38:24
Speaker 6: different different supply roots, and to both parties. We're seeing
38:28
Speaker 6: it come to both sides, and this is this is
38:31
Speaker 6: totally counterproductive, absolutely to the mechanism and to the process
38:35
Speaker 6: that we're putting in place. We have a comprehensive piece
38:37
Speaker 6: plan that we've proposed and we're going to work well.
38:40
Speaker 9: Not understanding how I mean, you know, I've looked at
38:44
Speaker 9: some of the princips. Your peace part hasn't been publish yet,
38:46
Speaker 9: but you know, I've looked set. It looks great, but
38:49
Speaker 9: I don't see what is going to make either the
38:52
Speaker 9: parties or those supporting the parties agree to it thens
38:57
Speaker 9: keep fighting.
38:58
Speaker 6: So this is going to be with a with an solution.
39:00
Speaker 6: We're not going to come here and impose anything. We
39:03
Speaker 6: can probably come up with mechanisms that will help them.
39:06
Speaker 6: We can come up with probably a UN Security Council
39:11
Speaker 6: resolution that will give the legal cover and the umbrella
39:14
Speaker 6: for this work. But it's going to have to be
39:17
Speaker 6: a Sudani Sudanese solution. It's going to be a comprehensive
39:21
Speaker 6: national dialogue and leading to a civilian led government.
39:26
Speaker 3: So that's definitely Trump's father in law for what it's worth.
39:29
Speaker 3: Let's also roll this clip of the UK Foreign Secretary
39:32
Speaker 3: Vat Cooper at the UNI Security Conference responding also to
39:36
Speaker 3: those questions about pressure pressure, What kind of pressure will
39:41
Speaker 3: be used as leverage to get to peace? Everyone says
39:44
Speaker 3: they want peace, how are you going to get there?
39:46
Speaker 9: For the clip, what is Britain doing to try and
39:50
Speaker 9: pressure the United Arab members to stop supporting the RSF.
39:55
Speaker 10: So the two different issues there. So may me just
40:00
Speaker 10: briefly deal with the issues around arms flows and the
40:05
Speaker 10: UK controls because we have very substantial controls we ensure.
40:08
Speaker 10: In fact, when there were any allegations made, I insisted
40:13
Speaker 10: that all the licenses were reviewed and two thousand licenses
40:17
Speaker 10: were reviewed to ensure that there was no leakage, to
40:20
Speaker 10: ensure that there was no nothing that any of those
40:22
Speaker 10: licenses was reaching Soudan, and to make sure that the
40:26
Speaker 10: allegations that had been made were unfounded. But if there
40:29
Speaker 10: are any further allegations, we would take the same approach
40:31
Speaker 10: and to review extensively to ensure that that must not happen.
40:35
Speaker 9: But what I'm asking you about to come on to
40:38
Speaker 9: you as well is about leverage. Again, what leverag does
40:43
Speaker 9: Britain have on the UAE, Because the UAE is supporting
40:48
Speaker 9: the RSF. I know they deny it, but there is
40:50
Speaker 9: plenty of evidence and it seems to me that Britain
40:53
Speaker 9: has a very close relationship with the UAE. So what
40:56
Speaker 9: I'm asking is what are you doing to pressure them?
40:59
Speaker 10: So we raise all of these issues with the UAE,
41:02
Speaker 10: with Saudi with Egypt, all of the members of the
41:05
Speaker 10: Quad who are working with Masad and continue to do so.
41:10
Speaker 10: And we also believe that this needs to be wider
41:13
Speaker 10: than the quads. Why I've raised this with the African Union,
41:15
Speaker 10: with all of the neighboring states, with foreign ministers from
41:17
Speaker 10: all of the neighboring states of Sudan. Our assessment is
41:20
Speaker 10: there's probably more than a dozen countries who are in
41:24
Speaker 10: some way involved in arms flows, maybe through funding, maybe
41:28
Speaker 10: through manufacture, maybe through transit, maybe through training in different ways,
41:33
Speaker 10: and like you, I am concerned of evidence that some
41:36
Speaker 10: of those arms flows may be escalating rather than reducing.
41:39
Speaker 9: However, a huge.
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Speaker 10: Amount of work has been done on what a cease
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Speaker 10: fire might look like.
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Speaker 4: Impressive questions from that Manerrea in and unimpressive answers if
41:49
Speaker 4: you and we wanted to play all those clips, because
41:51
Speaker 4: if you read into what she's saying that Cooper, for instance,
41:56
Speaker 4: what are you going to do about the UE? Well,
41:57
Speaker 4: I reviewed a whole bunch of licenses, and then she
42:00
Speaker 4: goes like, we cut a lot of that out. She
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Speaker 4: filibustered forever before instead of answering the question about how
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Speaker 4: they're going to pressure the UE. So the reporter pressed
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Speaker 4: it again, Okay, great, what are you gonna do about
42:12
Speaker 4: the UA? She's like, well, there are like a dozen
42:14
Speaker 4: countries that are involved in some way in this, so
42:19
Speaker 4: of course we should pressure the UAE, but also Saudi Arabia,
42:23
Speaker 4: but also Egypt and all the like, doing everything she
42:27
Speaker 4: can too if she can't kind of say that the
42:32
Speaker 4: UAE is innocent, to just pour as many other culpable
42:36
Speaker 4: parties on top of it so that you spread out
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Speaker 4: the blame when everybody who's following this is like, no,
42:43
Speaker 4: it's the UE that is the key driver of this conflict. Now,
42:47
Speaker 4: to be fair, the Sudanese armed forces are also a
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Speaker 4: significant problem here, and the Sudanese Prime Minister at Munich.
42:57
Speaker 4: We won't play this because it's too hard to kind
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Speaker 4: of clip up. Camille aterris, we can put this, just
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Speaker 4: put this tweet up and people can read it from
43:05
Speaker 4: drop site. So he went back and forth with her
43:10
Speaker 4: as well, and says basically that a ceasefire would quote
43:16
Speaker 4: not be an end. He said, a truce quote will
43:18
Speaker 4: never work unless it's paired with disarmament, demobilization, and reintegration,
43:23
Speaker 4: meaning that the RSF fighters must surrender their weapons, dismantled forces,
43:27
Speaker 4: and be reintegrated to civilian life, and all those steps
43:31
Speaker 4: must happen concurrently, he said, the RSF are quote now
43:34
Speaker 4: quote mercenaries. Basically, his argument is that they have basically
43:40
Speaker 4: killed any of the kind of indigenous elements of the
43:43
Speaker 4: RSF and now they're basically all mercenaries that the UE
43:47
Speaker 4: is paying to bring in. It is a fact that
43:50
Speaker 4: there are enormous numbers of mercenaries that have come in
43:53
Speaker 4: and fought on behalf of the UAE or RSF in Sudan,
43:57
Speaker 4: but it's not true that it's all of them. There
43:59
Speaker 4: has to be You have to reckon with that fact.
44:05
Speaker 4: And he also deflected when asked about the saf's own
44:11
Speaker 4: war crimes, which are which are many. So while there
44:15
Speaker 4: is some pressure in the US is saying that they're
44:18
Speaker 4: they're putting forward a proposal to end this. Like the
44:22
Speaker 4: US backers don't seem that interested in putting real pressure
44:26
Speaker 4: on the UA to end it, and the suit the
44:30
Speaker 4: SAF also is still drawing a pretty pretty hard line.
44:36
Speaker 5: It's where you look at.
44:38
Speaker 3: Munich is such a polite place. It's such a.
44:44
Speaker 4: The friends here.
44:46
Speaker 3: All of these conferences are like hubs of respectability politics.
44:49
Speaker 3: And one of the things you can read into from
44:50
Speaker 3: the tough questions there, at least I think you can
44:52
Speaker 3: read into, is that people who are following this seriously
44:56
Speaker 3: realize when the dust settles, how dark the kind of global.
45:01
Speaker 5: Disinterest in this is going to look. Yeah, that's kind
45:04
Speaker 5: of what I want.
45:05
Speaker 3: I'm watching this like it's almost a little jarring to
45:07
Speaker 3: see it on stage and Munich like that and not just.
45:11
Speaker 4: All know what they're doing.
45:12
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really it is really dark.
45:15
Speaker 3: And I think with the moderator, who's whose name I
45:18
Speaker 3: should know, but what I think she's prepared for. She's
45:23
Speaker 3: looking at the carnage and thinking these are serious questions
45:27
Speaker 3: these are these are not. You can't just sort of
45:29
Speaker 3: like punt this stuff away because everybody is going to
45:32
Speaker 3: look really bad when the dust settles, really really bad
45:34
Speaker 3: now if you're following it.
45:35
Speaker 4: Closely, right but right, yeah, absolutely, And we wanted to
45:40
Speaker 4: put up f F six. We wanted to give a
45:42
Speaker 4: little shine to the Sudanese Journalists Network that this is
45:47
Speaker 4: the I IN Network. We'll put a link to this.
45:49
Speaker 4: It's down in the show notes. You can watch the
45:53
Speaker 4: watch the full clip. There's not a whole lot of
45:57
Speaker 4: you know, good journalism coming out of this war for
46:00
Speaker 4: for obvious reasons, and so it's very difficult to cover.
46:03
Speaker 4: But I IN Network got did some very interesting on
46:08
Speaker 4: the ground reporting about what it's like to live through
46:11
Speaker 4: one of these sieges and battles for the civilian population there.
46:16
Speaker 4: So we'll put that in so you can you can
46:18
Speaker 4: watch the whole thing for if you really want to
46:21
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46:26
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46:29
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46:30
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46:32
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47:07
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47:10
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