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1-26-26 Hour 1 - Broncos lose to Pats in AFC Championship/Make ONE more play/Death by Inches: The Return · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I just felt like, man, we had momentum to get
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  Speaker 3: up fourteen. It felt like we had a good call.
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  Speaker 3: I think the feeling was, man, let's let's be aggressive
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  Speaker 3: to get up fourteen. I was just watching the way
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  Speaker 3: our defense was playing. There'll be a number of things
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  Speaker 3: when we watch the tape I'll look at and critique
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  Speaker 3: and pay close attention to. But it's a hard fuck
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  Speaker 3: game and we didn't do it enough to win it.
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  Speaker 4: Coach, do you have regrets for not taking the field
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  Speaker 4: goal and going up to nothing?
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  Speaker 3: There's always regrets, you know. I felt like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: here we are fourth and one. We felt close enough
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  Speaker 3: that it's and it's also a call you make based
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  Speaker 3: on the team you're playing and how what you're watching
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  Speaker 3: on the other side of the ball. So yeah, they'll
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  Speaker 3: be they'll always be second thoughts.
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  Speaker 5: It's rally house football Monday. I feel like you win
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  Speaker 5: that game with bow Nicks, and that sucks. It sucks. Uh,
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  Speaker 5: you win that game if one of a number of
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  Speaker 5: different things happened. You know, I don't know how you
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  Speaker 5: guys feel this morning. Little time to think about it,
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  Speaker 5: time to sleep on it.
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  Speaker 4: It does.
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  Speaker 5: To me feel like the Broncos played better than the Patriots.
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  Speaker 5: It's just the Patriots made about two or three plays
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  Speaker 5: and that's all that game needed to have. Two or three.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it's going to sound like Sara Grapes, and if
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  Speaker 6: I'm a Patriots fan listening to this show, I would
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  Speaker 6: feel the same way. But I was not impressed with
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  Speaker 6: the team on the other side who I was not
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  Speaker 6: impressed at all with Drake Man. I told you guys
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  Speaker 6: last week, Remember I said, I said, why do you
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  Speaker 6: guys think Drake May's gonna come in here and light
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  Speaker 6: it up. He's gotta do something that Tom Brady hasn't done.
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  Speaker 6: And he won the game. But they didn't win because
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  Speaker 6: Drake May lit it up. They won because snow came
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  Speaker 6: at halftime.
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  Speaker 4: That's why they won. They won because the Broncos decided
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  Speaker 4: to go.
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  Speaker 6: For it instead of kicking field goal, which would have
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  Speaker 6: changed the whole course of the game.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't win because of Drake May. Drake May, to me,
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  Speaker 4: in the first half, especially he looks scared.
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  Speaker 5: No, he looked like, you know, it's something we discussed.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know what to expect. He looked like a
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  Speaker 5: guy moj that that moment was a little bit too
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  Speaker 5: big for him right now.
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  Speaker 2: I certainly did, and I it's so let me tell
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  Speaker 2: you why it's so frustrating. And I'm sure the Buffalo
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  Speaker 2: Bills fans probably feel the same way about the game
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  Speaker 2: last week. But this is our team and this is
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  Speaker 2: our moment. Brett. You just never know how many kicks
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  Speaker 2: at the can you're going to get. For whatever reason.
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  Speaker 2: You really don't know if you're gonna be in this
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  Speaker 2: position again. It's funny. We're talking to Martin's school the
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  Speaker 2: other night, Vic before the Avs game, right the two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and one Stanley Cup team, and he goes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm nineteen twenty years old. We win the Cup. He goes,
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  Speaker 2: I think we're gonna do this every year. He goes,
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  Speaker 2: I never did it again. Yeah, you know, So you
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  Speaker 2: get in that situation, Vic Brett, and you got the
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  Speaker 2: kid who looks scared. The Patriots you know they're not
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  Speaker 2: playing well. You've got him on the ropes, and you
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  Speaker 2: don't go You're not going to the super Bowl, and
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  Speaker 2: you just never know when this opportunity will present itself again.
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  Speaker 2: So it gets frustrating. So you sit here today going,
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  Speaker 2: you know, should have would have could a realizing that man,
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  Speaker 2: that that was a really, really good chance, really good opportunity.
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  Speaker 5: You think about the big plays that happened in that
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  Speaker 5: game and ones that literally when they had the bomb
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  Speaker 5: early in the game to that set him up for
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  Speaker 5: that first touchdown. You know, looking back at it, the
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  Speaker 5: game actually felt a lot like the Bills game from
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  Speaker 5: last year. Remember, you get the big play, first possession,
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  Speaker 5: you score early, You're like, oh my god, maybe we
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  Speaker 5: are going to have some success that we weren't expecting.
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  Speaker 5: And then it was nothing afterwards. You know, you follow
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  Speaker 5: that up with what I think is going to be
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  Speaker 5: the most talked about thing. What is the most talked
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  Speaker 5: about thing of that game, Peyton's decision to go forward
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  Speaker 5: on fourth and one instead of taking the points. And
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  Speaker 5: I think it's totally fair to have a ton of
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  Speaker 5: criticism for making that call.
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  Speaker 6: I know, this all started with your coach, This all
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  Speaker 6: started this fourth down frenzy that has taken the NFL
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  Speaker 6: by storms.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it all started with Detroit.
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  Speaker 2: Dan Campbell it it really did.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, well, he said he got it from Peyton
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  Speaker 5: because he coached with Peyton and Carlins.
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  Speaker 4: But then it started with Peyton.
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  Speaker 6: Campbell came back to Peyton, And I don't know what
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  Speaker 6: these coaches are seeing or what they're doing.
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  Speaker 4: Time and place.
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  Speaker 6: I'm watching the NFC Championship, the game last night, and
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  Speaker 6: people are gonna say, what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 4: Why didn't the Rams kick a field goal when they
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  Speaker 4: had a chance.
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  Speaker 5: Late that would would have made was that.
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  Speaker 4: It would have cut it to one.
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  Speaker 6: But points are at a premium in these games.
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  Speaker 5: Points the the issue that I have with that decision.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that was driven by anything analytical. I
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  Speaker 5: think that was Sean Payton's eager Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was gut.
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  Speaker 6: It was, uh, let's end this game, you know, ironically
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  Speaker 6: in the sad irony as you probably would have ended
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  Speaker 6: the game had you kicked. Probably, yeah, because because when
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  Speaker 6: you kick that field goal, here's what happens, and understand
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  Speaker 6: the mentality the opposing team.
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  Speaker 4: In hindsight, it's easy to look at it this way.
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  Speaker 6: So let me preface this all by saying, we are,
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  Speaker 6: of course the backseat quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 4: The Monday morning couch quarterbacks. That's what doing.
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  Speaker 6: This is what talk radio is. But in hindsight, you
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  Speaker 6: go up ten to nothing in that situation, Suddenly a
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  Speaker 6: team that couldn't do anything in the passing game, Drake
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  Speaker 6: May was rattled.
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  Speaker 4: Clearly they'd be forced forced to.
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  Speaker 5: Throw the ball.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that changes the dynamic of the game. It changes
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  Speaker 6: the opposing team's mentality. You kick to them. It's mid
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  Speaker 6: second quarter, they're down ten to nothing. They know snow
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  Speaker 6: is coming, like you do. They can't take their time,
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  Speaker 6: they can't do what they did to start the second
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  Speaker 6: half and go on a ten minute drive.
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  Speaker 4: They have to move.
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  Speaker 5: Did you guys, because I know you were there, Vic,
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  Speaker 5: did you guys know that the fourth quarter would look
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  Speaker 5: like that from a snow standpoint? Like, no, when you
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  Speaker 5: know snow is coming. Like if I gave Sean Payton
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  Speaker 5: a crystal ball in that moment and I said, here's
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  Speaker 5: what the field looks like in the fourth quarter, do
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  Speaker 5: you think he changes his decision?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 4: One hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Can't you cannot come back in that crap. You can't. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: you can't go to the air in that crap at all.
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  Speaker 2: And so if you had a crystal ball, Like you say, Brett,
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  Speaker 2: and you could look into the future and say, what's
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  Speaker 2: it gonna look like, you know an hour and twenty
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  Speaker 2: minutes from now, or you know an hour and a
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  Speaker 2: half from now. Yeah, you probably boot it and make
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  Speaker 2: them play catch up and have to go through the
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  Speaker 2: air and so on. I mean it just it just
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  Speaker 2: as you sit here today. It's frustrating, That's what it is.
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  Speaker 5: There's also like on top of that, just purely with
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  Speaker 5: the decision. It comes down to a couple of factors.
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  Speaker 3: For me.
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  Speaker 5: Number one, if bow Nicks is playing in that game,
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  Speaker 5: I think I don't mind that call as much. I
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  Speaker 5: think I'm way more okay with that. If bow Nicks
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  Speaker 5: is starting and you go forward on fourth and one,
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  Speaker 5: that I am with it's like your backup quarterbacks and
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  Speaker 5: he hasn't played in two years and you're gonna put
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  Speaker 5: him in a position AFC Championship Game fourth and one.
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  Speaker 5: I know you feel like he got momentum and you
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  Speaker 5: could really punch him in the mouth by getting this.
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  Speaker 5: But here's the other thing. If they pick up that
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  Speaker 5: first down, there's no guarantee they score a touchdown anyway.
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  Speaker 5: That's not fourth and one from the one yard line
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  Speaker 5: more than they were the fourteen.
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  Speaker 2: They were the fourteen.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, who says you score a touchdown after that? Even
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  Speaker 5: if you pick it up, which is even weird.
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  Speaker 4: That's a very good point. I mean that, you know
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  Speaker 4: what that is.
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  Speaker 6: The one thing that we're not discussing today is that
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  Speaker 6: you have to finish the drive.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to finish the drive.
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  Speaker 6: Let's say you go three straight plays of nothing, then
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  Speaker 6: you're definitely gonna kick it, right man, This go for
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  Speaker 6: it mode that every coach is in right now. Again,
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  Speaker 6: I've never understood why they go to the other side
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  Speaker 6: so quickly. Time and place is all I say. There
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  Speaker 6: is nothing more precious in these games than points. Nothing,
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  Speaker 6: nothing in the world, especially in a game where the
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  Speaker 6: snow globe arrived in the second half. And I think
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  Speaker 6: that the Denver Broncos fans, coaches, everybody, they're gonna have
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  Speaker 6: to live with this. But some games are lost on
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  Speaker 6: the final play. Some games are lost with nine minutes
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  Speaker 6: left in the second quarter. And this game was lost
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  Speaker 6: with nine minutes left in a quarter.
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  Speaker 5: Here's a peyton on going for it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just felt like, man, we had momentum to
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  Speaker 3: get up fourteen and felt like we had a good call.
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  Speaker 3: I think the feeling was, man, let's let's be aggressive
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  Speaker 3: to get up fourteen. I was just watching the way
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  Speaker 3: our defense was playing. There'll be a number of things
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  Speaker 3: when we watch the tape I'll look at and critique
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  Speaker 3: and pay close attention to. But it's a hard fuck
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  Speaker 3: game and we didn't do it enough to win it.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, with the way your defense is playing, I
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  Speaker 5: think that's it's another like check in the column of
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  Speaker 5: why you take the points and just kick there. Here's
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  Speaker 5: what's crazy. If you want to see the difference between
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  Speaker 5: the approaches that Sean Payton was taking and what Mike
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  Speaker 5: Rabel's taking, and literally you look at these two coaches
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  Speaker 5: right now, the jobs that they have done this year
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  Speaker 5: to get those teams to where they are. That raybel
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  Speaker 5: on his first season with the Patriots just took him
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  Speaker 5: to a super Bowl as crazy? Did you guys? Of
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  Speaker 5: course you saw it. I was in disbelief, and it
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  Speaker 5: turns out, I guess it was the right move. That
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  Speaker 5: you have one coach that was going forward on fourth
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  Speaker 5: and one at the fourteen yard line and not taking
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  Speaker 5: points when the Patriots late in that game, on third
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  Speaker 5: and eleven, called the rollout for Drake May to intentionally
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  Speaker 5: throw the ball out of bounds, not even give them
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  Speaker 5: a shot at a first down. That was a cold,
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  Speaker 5: intentional throwaway on third and eleven. It just said they
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  Speaker 5: have zero faith that the Broncos offense is going to
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  Speaker 5: move the ball at all. And I know that because
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  Speaker 5: the following possession, they had a third and nine and
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  Speaker 5: they ran the ball for two yards. They were like,
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  Speaker 5: I dare you guys, like you want to hear a
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  Speaker 5: crazy stat I don't know if you guys have seen
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  Speaker 5: this yet since that decision to go forward on fourth
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  Speaker 5: and one and they didn't pick it up. Do you
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  Speaker 5: know how many plays the Broncos had inside the Patriots
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  Speaker 5: thirty yard line since that call?
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  Speaker 4: Zero?
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, not a single one since then.
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  Speaker 2: Looking up and down, looking up and down the play
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  Speaker 2: chart here and the play by play zero. You're right,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 6: Reliving that game now and there are so many things
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  Speaker 6: that happened.
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  Speaker 4: That second half was such trash, guys. It was such trash.
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  Speaker 6: It was just a boring I don't know you guys
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  Speaker 6: saw it. I don't have to tell you, and I
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  Speaker 6: I didn't know because being at the game. I didn't
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  Speaker 6: see it. I didn't know that the second miss field
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  Speaker 6: goal was tipped.
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  Speaker 2: Yeap.
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  Speaker 6: I thought he just missed it, not until I got
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  Speaker 6: home that night to see. I rewatched the game last night.
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  Speaker 6: By the way, that's the mode I was in. I
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  Speaker 6: had no idea that that new England defensive lineman got
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  Speaker 6: a paw on that thing.
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  Speaker 5: Well did you hear it? Let's explanation.
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  Speaker 6: They were too close to the line of scrimmage. They
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  Speaker 6: set up a yard too closet.
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  Speaker 5: What he thinks, here you go? Does that kick a
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  Speaker 5: little low?
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  Speaker 2: Is that what you have to do?
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  Speaker 7: And many games just ended.
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea, I have no idea.
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  Speaker 7: My guess is you know, unfortunately you couldn't see the
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  Speaker 7: lines on the field, and honestly, I think we were
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  Speaker 7: we might have been a yard score on the snap,
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  Speaker 7: but you can't see the lines on the field, and
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  Speaker 7: we had a kind of estimating. Guy comes through and
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  Speaker 7: it gets blocked.
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  Speaker 5: Because you couldn't see the hash marks. They didn't know
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  Speaker 5: how close they were to the line. They were basically guessing.
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  Speaker 6: We're gonna argue this a lot today And I'm already
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  Speaker 6: reading comments on Twitch and on the text line and
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  Speaker 6: let me start with this. Uh play calling was trash,
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  Speaker 6: says Cole. I know the weather was bad, but run
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  Speaker 6: screen don't work.
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  Speaker 4: It hasn't worked all year. Let me make this very
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  Speaker 4: very clear. The only thing the Broncos could do better.
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  Speaker 6: Than the Patriots yesterday was throw the ball down field.
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  Speaker 6: Patriots could not execute that because the pass rush got
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  Speaker 6: to drink me. They just couldn't do it to the
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  Speaker 6: level that they wanted to. They could run the ball
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  Speaker 6: better than the Broncos because they're made to run the ball.
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  Speaker 6: In the second half of that game, if you eliminate
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  Speaker 6: that phase of the offense, you cannot throw the ball downfield.
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  Speaker 6: What are the Denver Broncos a team that struggled to
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  Speaker 6: run coming in?
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  Speaker 4: What are they?
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  Speaker 2: They're dead in the water?
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  Speaker 4: Games over, yeah, games over. I don't guys. The play
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  Speaker 4: calling had nothing. There was nothing.
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  Speaker 6: I'm I'm looking at Coach Sanford next to me, and
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  Speaker 6: it's like, every time the Broncos got the ball back,
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, what.
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  Speaker 2: What are you doing? What do you do?
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  Speaker 6: Honestly, I mean because for those who weren't there, you
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  Speaker 6: couldn't see, you couldn't see downfield.
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  Speaker 4: The snow was coming sideways.
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  Speaker 2: It was. It was weird.
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  Speaker 8: It was.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the snow is so.
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  Speaker 4: Good for Denver.
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  Speaker 6: We've needed it for so long, right, We've been living
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  Speaker 6: in this drought, this winter drought, and yet mother nature
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  Speaker 6: picks that time haftime of that game to bring it.
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  Speaker 6: It's the worst possible moment.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't even halftime, like VIC, I'll tell you this.
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  Speaker 5: Watching on TV, it was wild because it was midway
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  Speaker 5: through the third quarter. CBS did these little screenshots. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: like a time lapse of of what I saw.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 5: It was like late in the third quarter, was still good.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, ever, they looked pretty three and a half
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  Speaker 5: minutes left in the third quarter. Everything was totally green
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  Speaker 5: and fine. But Vic, each time they cut away to
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  Speaker 5: a commercial and came back, they did the aerial shot
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  Speaker 5: coming back to the game, it looked ten times worse
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  Speaker 5: than when they left two minutes ago.
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  Speaker 6: E Commer time, the Broncos had the ball with the
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  Speaker 6: chance to do something. Even when the opposing punter shanked it,
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  Speaker 6: he shanked it down.
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  Speaker 4: You had the ball of the thirty three yard line.
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  Speaker 6: Think about that, and now if I give you the
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  Speaker 6: ball on the thirty three yard line in pristine's circumstances,
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  Speaker 6: not even pristine first half.
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  Speaker 4: You think the Broncos do.
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  Speaker 2: Something with it?
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  Speaker 5: Uh yeah, probably, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Probably snow killed your ticket to the super Bowl. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: And I know what you're gonna say to.
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  Speaker 6: Me all morning, Well they've played in the same Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: they did, but they're better equipped for it. Well, you
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  Speaker 6: know it's those in Denver. Yeah, I know, it's nose
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  Speaker 6: in Denver. Your run game is not it's not even
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  Speaker 6: close to theirs.
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  Speaker 4: It's not.
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  Speaker 2: They're built for it. They're built for it.
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  Speaker 4: They play for it. That's who they are. We knew
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  Speaker 4: that going in. Everybody did.
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  Speaker 6: And once it started to snow, guess what you're done,
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  Speaker 6: especially if you're trading.
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  Speaker 5: It's a rally house football Monday, rally house shop. Every
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  Speaker 5: team in town breaking down this game all day today.
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  Speaker 5: Adam Scheffer will join us at nine o'clock, stick.
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  Speaker 8: Around, sticking in bro I mean to thank that we
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  Speaker 8: fought through this year, all the games we had to win,
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  Speaker 8: knowing we definitely the better team, but it just didn't
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  Speaker 8: work out that way today.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what hurts the most?
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  Speaker 3: Where you say you knew you were the better team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we know.
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  Speaker 5: It's credit to nine News, Benito in the post game
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: saying that I don't think he's uh, I don't think
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: he's wrong. You know it again Rally House Football Monday.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: It's it's really tough, and I think especially tough for
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: the defense considering how great they played. And here's the
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: irony in all of it. The one thing that I
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: think would have given you a boost, even in the snow,
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: that would have given you a shot is Bonnick's using
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: his legs, because that's what Drake May did in the
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: second half. And it's part of the reason you want
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: to talk about a killer here. The Patriots had two
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: sustained drives to start the second half. That allows you
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: to have the football only once during that third quarter,
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: which means almost all of your possessions came in the
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: snow globe as opposed to having a clean field to
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: work with. And it's because Drake May started taking off
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: and running and once that started to happen, it opened
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: things up at least a little bit for the Patriots
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: offense to have some some momentum in their favor.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, his feet with a difference.
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: It wasn't his arm by any means, Although he made
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: two good throws, and one, ironically was the guy who
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: proved to be the wild card in this game. Mac Hollins,
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: who was designated late in the week, came off the
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: injury list and they activated Mac Collins, the guy who
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: shows up with no shoes or socks showed up, Yes,
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: a weird fella, Yeah yeah, showed up yesterday with the
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: beer bottles of replaying the Warriors line as you well know, Mos,
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: you know that movie, and he was playing that theme
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: and he got the last laugh because you know what,
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: he made a couple of great grabs off the fleet flicker.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: That was a big play, big big play.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: It was like the only throw that May made the
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: entire game.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: That was it. That was the only throw.
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: Well, he made two to Hollands, two to Hollands, he
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: made the one on third, like thirteen Hollands and then
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: that fleet flicker. Other than that, Drew May, who supposedly
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: is a downfield demon, it was nothing.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: He couldn't He didn't have time, guys, guys, he didn't
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: have time.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: He was sacked five times again.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: And if you're up ten to nothing, okay, so let's
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: just imagine something. You're up ten nothing now and they
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: have to throw the ball.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: They have to throw it. You pin your ears back
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: and you turn it into a massacre.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well they just they stuck with the run despite
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: the fact they couldn't. Like I give full credit to
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: the defense. I'll tell you why. You know, it was
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: shocking to hear this. We were doing that all hands
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: on deck pregame show thing. So I jump on towards
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: the very end of it and Andy tells me I
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: was the only person on the station that picked the
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Patriots to win. I was like, really, I was the
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: only one, and my reasoning behind it was this. I
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: knew the offense was gonna be bad. The offense is
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: bad even when Boonix is playing most of the time,
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: like they have a tough time moving the football. That
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: changed nothing for me. What I was worried about was
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: the defense not playing well, Like they haven't looked right
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: or at least the same as they did early in
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: the season for about a month and a half. And
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: to their credit, they showed up in balled out yesterday,
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: Like we're all nervous about this vaunted Patriots running game.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: Romandre Stevenson ran the ball twenty five times for seventy
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: one yards. That's a complete shutdown of the running game.
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: Two point one yards per carry, and most of the
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: times they were running the ball late just to play defense.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: Guys. Yeah, they weren't running the ball to do anything.
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: They were running the ball to play keepoay because they
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: knew all they had to do was just maintain possession
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: without a turnover. Even when they did turn it over.
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: I'll call that shanked punt a turnover because the Broncos
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: had the ball the thirty three yard line. Even when
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: they did, the Broncos couldn't do anything with it. The
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: offense was completely absent in the second half.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Gone.
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: The Patriots had the ball in the third quarter for
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: thirteen minutes and ten seconds.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Yep, you do the math. Yeah, well they had well,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: they had two possessions in the third quarter. The Broncos
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: had one. It was three and out punt. I mean,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: it's just look, I don't want to I don't want
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: to do this today, but I feel like we're going
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: to do this this. You know what if I mean,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: what what if JK. Dobbins can play? You know what
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I mean? What if you have your starting quarterback? What
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: if you have your well exactly.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: What if you aren't missing too of your top receivers.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: We didn't We didn't even talk about the fumble, which
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: oh man, you know, but.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: See, I don't think I have fumble happens if you
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: take the field goal.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: You're not in that situation, correct, correct, Well, I think
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: you're right, Vic, I think you're right.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: It's still I mean, that play was as consequential as
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: anything that happened in that game because the Patriots weren't
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: putting together a touchdown drive.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Gave the only touchdown.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: No, I know, it gave them a.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: Twelve yard, twelve yard drive to score their only touchdown
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: of the game. I mean that's the biggest play to me.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: I know we can go back and we can look
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: at the fourth and one, But if Stidham just takes
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: the sack and then they punt the ball away, I
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: don't think the Patriots are getting in the end zone
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: all day.
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: Oh you do look at one stat and if you
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: look at turnover differential, they'll tell you who wins these games.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: It's always the case. It was the same last night
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: in the NFC Championship. You turn it over. You know
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: that fumbled punt in the NFC Championship that proved to
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: be the one.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: By the way, here's Stidham on the backwards pass.
• 21:15
  Speaker 9: Obviously I can't. I can't put our team in a
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: bad position like that. I was trying to throw it
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: away to TV.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: He was he was in the area. Yeah, the pressure.
• 21:24
  Speaker 9: He just got up on me real fast, and I
• 21:26
  Speaker 9: was just trying to get rid of it.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: And like I said, just can't.
• 21:28
  Speaker 9: I can't put the ball in the in a position
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: like that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: So that was completely on me.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Did you think it was a backward pass?
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: No thought.
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: I thought i'd thrown it forward. And then obviously the
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: replayer whatever said differently, So probably should have just eaten
• 21:43
  Speaker 9: the sack.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: Anyway, Can I ask you guys a question on that?
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: And this is just this can just be a couple
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: of minutes, because are some people that think I'm crazy
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: for saying this. I'm not totally convinced that was backwards.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: My angle was impossible. I'm up with the press box.
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: I can't see it. We were all confused at the time.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: I looked at the replays on the monitor. I couldn't
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: hear what Nance and Romo were saying. I don't know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: just like I don't know when they tried to spot
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: that ball when it looked like Drake May was short.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Bret, I think that in an AFC
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: title game, they're going to I think they're going to
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: air on the side if cautioned at all times, at
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: least That's what it feels like to me, and get
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: it right. And I mean that's what they called. I
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: don't know either way. To me, it was a fumble.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I mean I didn't look at backwards pass. I thought
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: it was a fumble fumble. And then you go back
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: to the pick, you know, late in the game in
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the snow, and that that ball never had a chance
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: to get there. The route was way too long in
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: those conditions, right, I.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Saw on second down, which hurt. Yeah, Like he didn't
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: have to take the shot there.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's under pressure and he's sort of rocking
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: back and letting it fly. It never had a chance.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're you're gonna go back and watch the
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: film with this, Victor, You're probably gonna watch it again today,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: and you're just gonna say, right there, if you just
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: do this right there, Oh, if you just do that
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: right there, If you just don't do that right there,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: you know what, I'm guessing the way that we're feeling
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: today and the way that we're talking about this today.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I'm sure the Buffalo Bills probably went back with their
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: game film and had cares, you know, all week long,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: because it's the same kind of story. But when you
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: get to this point in the season, that's the difference
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: between winning and losing. This little thing here and that
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: one decision there, that's it.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: Sort of like watching the game last night, I rewatched.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: It's probably the last time I will watch it because
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: you can do this all day, all night.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: You can do this. You can cut it apart and
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: determine there's parts of the game that you should have won.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: I found it odd too, guys. I did not know
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: this till after the game. Do you know Will Lutts
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: has never attempted a field goal in the snow? Really?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Have no idea? Yeah? I had no idea.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Ever, He's never kicked in the snow.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Ever.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Last night was the first time.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: That's crazy.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Never.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: No, he played in the Dome in New Orleans, so
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: you play road games, didn't never kicked in the snow?
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Tell you yesterday.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: The I've heard this a lot, by the way, and
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: I know this. This part stunk because you didn't have
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: a running game. You didn't have it. Ever since Dobbins
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: went out, I've seen a lot of people saying they
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: need to invest in a running back this offseason.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: They did.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: They they did invest in running back this year. They
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: went out, they got JK. Dobbins, and they drafted a
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: guy in the second round. I thought the running game
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: was fine until Dobbins, until Dobbins got hurt.
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: I was never high on the run game. Even with
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: Dobbins available. I think it's the wrong kind of running
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: game to win in the postseason. It's the wrong kind.
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: They had a big bruiser that you could just and
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: I know you said he didn't he wasn't effective, but
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: you played keep away with that guy too.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: But Dobbins is between the tackles guy. He could have
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: done it. He was just hurt. I mean, he wasn't healthy.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: I my preference is you always need on a team
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: a bigger back, and the Broncos never had one. You
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: think they could have used odric estimate yesterday.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, if you're talking about fourth quarter snow
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and try to slog it out for two three yards
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: at a time, maybe yeah.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: But all right, I'm just saying that I.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Don't want to give that hindsight. I get it, I
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: don't want to get.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Given the circumstances, I know what you're saying. It's total hindsight.
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: But given the circumstances yesterday, that's the kind of running
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: back you needed.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: A guy, a sled dog.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: I think Dobbins could have done it if he was healthy.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: He just wasn't, and you had nobody else in the
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: roster like after that it's just RJ and Jaliel and
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: like he got nothing.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: With an if he foot on that surface, no way.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: No, I'm just saying, if you were healthy, yeah, I mean,
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: if you were healthy, there was no chance that he
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: was going to play to begin with. And then you
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: mix in the snow. I mean, hell, you saw Patriots'
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: backs slipping all over the yard. Yeah, they was slipping
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: left and right. The snow ruined the game.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: It was also you know early in that game you
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: can tell mos and this is kind of where having
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: the backup quarterback thing hurts you. Two different plays there
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: were both in cuts, one by Courtland Sutton, another by
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: little Jordan Humphrey, and both of the throws a little
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: bit behind them kind of on their hips. There were
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: tough catches, but you could tell the timing wasn't there
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: because their heads weren't even turned by the time the
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: ball was there. And those are two pretty crucial throws
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: that think earlier than he won, understood, understood. But I
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: think that's just one of those examples, like backup quarterback,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: the timing is not quite right, especially for that's a
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: timing throw. It's like you're throwing it before the guy
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: makes the break.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: And that's I don't want to put Yeah, I don't
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: want to put that entirely on Stidham.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: No, No, I'm saying that most just sorry, quickly, I'm
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: saying that in defensive Stidham. I'm like, I don't think
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: people quite understand how difficult of a situation he was
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: put in. And that's why I'm not really I'm not
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: blaming Stidham for a loss year. I know he didn't
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: play great, but I'm kind of like, I don't know
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: what people were expecting from him.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have a lot of I'm gonna have remorse
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: for a number of different reasons. And again, vic I
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I go back and I look at this defense and
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I look at how much they kicked major butt this year.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: It's just again, once you're there and you don't, you
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: don't do it, you don't grasp it. Yeah, you never
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: know when you're gonna get that chance again. Because I
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: was talking to somebody yesterday about it, part of our
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: watching the game with our group here after the the
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Avs win, and you know, you got one one more
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: year with bo and then you extend and so on,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: and I mean, I'm trying to I'm trying to pierce
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: it out. You know in my head, how you know
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: how much is he gonna cost? Or are you gonna
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: have to cut? Do you have to cut? Who's gonna leave,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Who's gonna get a pile of money from somebody else?
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: You got? You know, you got major guys locked up,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: which is good, but things change. It's not gonna look
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: the same. And you know you're gonna have remorse. You're
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: gonna have a lot of remorse this offseason about this
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: Here's what it comes down to for me, and it's
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: the fear I had going this game. If you had
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: told me that the Denver Broncos defense holds New England
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: at ten points, I'm like party, Party, in Santa Clara.
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: Let's go, here's what went wrong. The three things that
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: we knew could not go wrong could not go south.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: Number one, would there be a bad coaching decision that
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: would disrupt things?
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there was. There was.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: Number two, would you miss a crucial kick or two? Yep, yeah, miskicks?
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: And number three the big decider, would you lose the
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: turnover battle? Would you make a very bad turnover?
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: That was it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Those three things, all three of them happened. All three.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: Now, if one of those doesn't happen, maybe you win
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: the game, But for all three you can overcome.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: That isn't that funny? Brett? We were talking this past
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: week about the Buffalo Bills, and we say, even if
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: one of those turnovers, I mean they turned over five
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: times against the Broncos, right, they're probably going even one
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: of those turnovers doesn't happen, they're gonna win the game, right.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: I Mean, it's just that's just the way it goes. Man.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: The razors edge a thin margin theme of the year.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: It felt to me like you were going to have
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: virtually no shot if you lost the turnover battle. And
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: as much as they got to Drake May God, you
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: would have loved just like one strip sack to try
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: and take that out, like just one of them, to
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: try and even the scales a little bit, you know.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: And it's not just the turnover, it's where it happened.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: That you're backed up basically on the doorstep of your
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: own end zone and that's where the Patriots got the ball.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: Like the Patriots were not scoring a touchdown in that
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: game unless.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: You guinted it to them, not by their own devices.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: And the fact that you just the one place you
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: couldn't be, you know, again, just to put this in perspective,
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: if you guys missed this from earlier, after the fourth
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: and one call where you didn't pick up the first
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: down and you didn't take the points, the Broncos had
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: zero plays inside the Patriots thirty yard line for the
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: rest of the game.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Zero.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: And that's even when they were given a drive that
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: started on the thirty three due to a shamed you
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: went back.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I I kept kept nudging Sandford and
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: dmac everybody in the press box.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: I said, who's gonna make that play? Who's going to
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: be the one? Because I knew it wasn't gonna come
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: offensively unless there.
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: Was like a broken tackle, like can Mims break a punt?
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: Can can somebody get to Drake make and somebody stripped
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: the ball from Romandre Stevenson.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: It would have to be something like that. And now
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: you're grasping right.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: They were trying. They were they were trying out. I
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: saw so. I saw so many hands every time Stevenson
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: rented up a gut and you know he's getting gang tackled. Man,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I see those hands they're doing this. I'm trying to
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: rip that ball. I mean they they tried, dude, Stevens
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: played their ass off. Man.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: They played ten points.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, they held him down. They held him at
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: three points.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 6: The only touchdown that was given to them was given
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: to them because they got the ball in the twelve
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  Speaker 6: yard line.
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  Speaker 5: Oh we got two vics who mixed on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, that's great, it's all. It's what we need
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: is two bays.
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: When we come back, and I know we're not taking
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: a break right now. Yeah, in the next segment, and
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: I need that fancy music for this, I'm going to
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: tell you.
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  Speaker 4: And it's crazy. I did a little research on this.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: It's crazy how history repeats itself.
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  Speaker 6: This is not the first time the Broncos have lost
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  Speaker 6: an AFC Championship game in this exact same manner, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: the comparisons and similarities are so uncanny you're gonna freak out.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: You know, there was a time on this program when
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: we would do death by inches and it was somewhat
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: comical because the Broncos weren't very good and we knew
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: that and so on and so forth. But man, this
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: is the kind of game it is. You could do
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: a death by every friggin possession, and you know what, Vic,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: it's not funny. It's not funny like it used to be.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: It now it hurts.
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  Speaker 6: It just hurts those who keep saying this. And I
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: don't dispute you. Well, you go to the super Bowl
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: with this group, you're probably gonna get lashed by Seattle anyway.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. See to me, you want to go
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: to the super Bowl. You don't give up a spot
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: the super Bowl because you think you're gonna lose the game.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Right that.
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  Speaker 4: There's no solace there. You don't take solace in that.
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  Speaker 5: I do think this Seahawks are going to wreck New England, though, sure, I.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Mean, they're the better team, but you never know, so
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: we'll get back to that in a second.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: By the way, you want to know how old Death
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: by Inches is?
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: The theme music to that bit is whatnes that's how old?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: You know what? I want?
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: Game of Thrones is my theme music when we come back, Nelly,
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: because this is gonna freak you out most.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: You're gonna do what those what?
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: So we get to that in just a second. It's
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: a rally house football Monday. Back after this. It's a
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: rally house football Monday. It is a ridiculous coach that
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: was two regimes ago. It's a show that ended about
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: eight years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Here we are, but here we are. Go ahead, Vic.
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: For those of you who are not longtime Broncos fans
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: and won a sense of history, listen to this. It's
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: not the first time the Denver Broncos have lost an
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: AFC championship game ten to seven. It happened against the
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: Buffalo Bills in Buffalo in the nineteen ninety one AFC
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: title game, same exact score, ten to seven.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, but it doesn't end there.
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  Speaker 6: In that game in Buffalo, the Denver Broncos finished with
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: a backup quarterback Gary Kubiak, who replaced an injured John Elway,
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: much like a backup quarterback played for the Broncos yesterday.
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: Those backup quarterbacks, by the way, both Gary Kubiak and
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: Jared Stidham. They both wore the number eight.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: Yes they did.
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: In those games. There were field goals missed. In ninety one,
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: Treadwell missed a couple big ones. Yesterday, Lots missed a
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: couple big ones.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: In ninety one.
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: There was a turnover that ultimately cost the Broncos the game.
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: Steve Soell fumbled Yesterday, a turnover ultimately cost the Broncos
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: the game.
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  Speaker 4: Again, history repeats itself.
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: Ten to seven is nothing new for the Denver Broncos
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: in the AFC title game. It's painful to understand that
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: your starting quarterback can't finish a game. But it happened again.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: It happened again many years later. You know what's crazy.
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: In that game, I'm looking back at the stats right now.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: Gary Kubiak played his ass off. He was eleven for
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: twelve in that game. He actually brought the Broncos back.
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: They were down ten to nothing before he entered the
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: freight and they still couldn't win. They picked up an
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: outside kick late in the game and then fumbled a
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: couple plays later fumbled their chances at the Super Bowl away.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: So we've been here before. As soon as I saw
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: that score last night, I go, where have I seen
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: that score?
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, Buffalo?
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: It's pretty crazy. A lot of similarities surrounding those two.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: Now I asked this question.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: For those.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: And where the emotions are at. You were a game
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: before the Super Bowl? It's painful? Is it less painful
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: than you would typically think? Was there sort of like
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: an expectation that maybe this is the result you were
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: going to get, you know, not quite the way that
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: it felt last year against Buffalo? But do you have
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: like I mean, you lose the game before the ultimate game,
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: it's incredible pain and sorrow the following day? Is it
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: less today because of what you were expecting going into it?
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: Like when you bring up ninety two vic is it
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: as painful as it was against the Bills?
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: Then?
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: Every let me ask you something. When you suffer pain,
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: you compare pain. Yeah, if you step on an attack,
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: does that hurt?
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: You get stuck by a bee? Is that hurt? If
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Moses slaps you across the face, does that hurt?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: All pain?
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: All pain? The same pain is pain.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: So the pain I felt in ninety one, I guarantee
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: you back then pretty much feels like the pain you
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: feel today.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: I think this one's worse.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: I think it's worse because you're at home. I think
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: it's worse because you had to sit in that stadium
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: last night, walk out of that stadium as we did,
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: and deal with the many. I was just about curse
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: the Boston fans who just wouldn't let you, wouldn't let
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: you grief. Did you watch our post game show? Did
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: you see some of those?
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: It was crazy.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: I saw you take somebody's hat.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Well you didn't see what he did before?
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: You didn't see before it.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: Took Yeah, you know I didn't. I didn't tell me
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: what he did.
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: They were absolutely lunatics. They they were not letting us
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: do our job.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: They were going crazy. But I mean to the point
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: where like, dude, can we just do some TV here?
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: Is this the hat snatch?
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah? The guy shows up with his Paul Reverer hat.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: You know, it just being a total But.
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: He was being a you don't he was cursing, he
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: was flipping off. I mean we're on live television, you know,
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: how that works, right, Yeah, the whole Okay, I want
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: to be on TV, so you give him a little
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: chance to be on TV and then say, can you
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: please we're doing our thing now, can.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: You just let us do our thing? And the guy
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: was relentless.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm lucky at it. Get clock there because the
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: guy was tanked.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: I was gonna say, you remove a man's hat. He
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: can do, he can he can bring some anger to
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: a man.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: They can't imagine the anger of just trying to get
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: through a show.
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it was one after another, not just those guys,
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: one after another as s Sanford sd MA, they were there.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: Here's the other thing. And allow me to defend Sean
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: Payton for a second. I think the decision to not
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: take the points early in that game really cost you,
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: might have cost you the football game. He was asked
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: if he regretted it. Here's what he said.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Good, do you have regrets for not taking the field
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: goal and going up to nothing?
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: There's always regrets, you know. I felt like, you know,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: here we are fourth and one. We felt close enough
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: that and it's and it's also a call you make
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: based on the team you're playing and how what you're
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: watching on the other side of the ball. So yeah,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: they'll be There'll always be second thoughts.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: That sounds like a yes to me that he regrets
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: that now now to defend him in this motion, I've
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: seen a lot of people going after Sean Payton pretty
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: hard last night and this morning. Sean Payton is the
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: reason that you got to this point. I mean he has.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: He did a phenomenal job this year, and I get
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: it that that's probably almost assuredly not the right call
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: to make early in that game. But the fact that
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: you're in the AFC Championship game, considering where you were
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: a couple of years ago, is a remarkable turnaround by him.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But but if you here's the here's the crappy part.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: If you get it, let's see, let's I I okay,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I know you're at the fourteen. It's not like you
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: have fourth and one at the one. I get that.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: But if you get it, and you've gotten a lot
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: of them before, if you get it, man, you're in
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: such good shape. If you were able to punch it
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: in at that point, the game is over the footpight
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: no knowing now what we didn't know then the game
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: is over if you get in the end zone at
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: that point.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: If they pick up the first down and finish the drive.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I see where he's coming from, though, And
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: again you go back and you maybe it's one of
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the reasons you nitpick us, you nitpick his face off,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: because yeah, they didn't take any points. And again, Vick,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: you you raised it earlier. Let's say you kick there
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: and you get to ten. That's knowing that the weather
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: is going to be that bad. Yeah, one hundred percent.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Because the Patriots couldn't do anything offensively, They couldn't do anything,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: and you gift wrapped in their only touchdown.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: Well, that's why when he says the way our defense
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: was playing, I felt confident. Well, shouldn't that suggest otherwise,
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: the way our defense was playing, just get the points?
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: I think shouldn't that put in your mind the way
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: our defense is playing, these guys aren't gonna do anything.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Let's go.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: There's two different Smario, but he's but he's thinking, look,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: if if we don't get it, you know, if we
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: if it's fourth to one and Stidy throws it away,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: because we're pinning them, they're pinning in their own territory
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: deep our defense is kick ass.
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: Well you know then that's when Stitty did the one
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: thing he cannot afford to do. We said it going in,
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: the one thing you cannot do is make a bad mistake,
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: and he made.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: The worst of the game.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: The two scenarios in which going forward and fourth down
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: there I could see it. I mentioned one earlier. If
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: you have bow Nicks, I think I'm I think I'm
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: cool with it if you have bow but you have
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: a backup quarterback, so I don't like that one. The
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: other thing is the play call, and he said he
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: had a run call that was there first and then
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: they changed it or something like that. I'll play the
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: audio of that in a second. But here's the other thing.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: When if the Patriots responded like the Broncos went down,
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: they had the bomb of Mims, they got in the
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: end zone, they're up seven to nothing. If the Patriots
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: responded with a touchdown the following drive, I think I
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: could understand it there too, because maybe you're thinking, Okay,
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: we're gonna need a couple of touchdowns to win this game.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: But they didn't, and you could see that Drake may
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: was having a real problem trying to just get into
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: a rhythm of the game. Now, as far as going
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: for it in the actual play call that was made,
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: Peyton talked about the original.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Call, well, we ended up in a six to one front.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: They ended up playing a heavy six to one. We
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: actually there was a clock stoppage, so we had a
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: nickel run called and and then I don't know if
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: there was a timeout or they called one. You know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: it's a slipper naked that we've run pretty well. They
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: played a six to one front with a kind of
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: a two deep shell, so the run look was going
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: to be hindsight the sub run, the initial sub run
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: thought was a better decision.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: I think that he just kind of recognizes that. Again,
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: I don't think that was based off analytics. That was
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: an ego decision. Now everything that he was saying, Vick,
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: you tweeted something out earlier where you heard Tracy Wolfson
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: talking about in practice. He walked up to her just said,
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: we're going to win this game. And I think he
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: was hell bent on proving that my coaching acumen is
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: going to take over and show itself in this game.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Not the only thing.
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: I heard some things from players about how the whispers
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: of practice.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Was we're going to put forty on these Patriots.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: Oh really, Oh yeah, it was.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: This is going to be a big week.
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: We're going to score, We're gonna we're gonna decimate these Patriots.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Well, you better do your weather forecasting first.
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: Better, you better get a lay of the land weatherwise
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: before you you throw that out there. But let me
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: ask you, guys, this, did ego get in the way
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: of a Broncos victory?
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think initially initially.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I mean that's I I hate to I hate to
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: go that direction Vic because I can see what he's
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: thinking when he explains himself, and a lot of it
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: makes a whole lot of sense. Look, the lack of
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: running game overall period. In that situation when it's fourth
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: and one and all you need is a yard, I mean,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: theoretically you could just you know, hand it off and
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: capable running back. You're gonna punch it right through and
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: it's no problem whatsoever. But you like to go to
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: a pass. You outsmart your own self. It stinks. Yeah,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I outsmart you outsmart your own self.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: Here's what it feels like to me. And maybe I'm wrong,
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: but I'm just trying to read the situation. Everything that
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: Sean Payton was saying heading into this game, you know,
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: And it started last week after the Buffalo game where
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: he came back out to the presser and said, just
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: watch like he was hell bent on like proving how
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: great they were gonna look without bo Nicks. And I
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: think that, Look, I don't want to say that winning
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: wasn't enough for him in this game, but he really
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: wanted to win with some flare.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: I think here's the here's the hard part, tough to digest.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: You live by that, you die by that. Because it's
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: also fair to say the Broncos would not be what
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: they are today. They would not have been fourteen and three,
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: they would not have won the division, they would not
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: be first seed.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: If you don't have that edge, and he promotes that edge.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: He is that edge.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: So it helps you in yesterday's case, it hurts you.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you live by the sword, you die
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: by the sword. It's one of those things like that.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: That mentality that he takes is part of the reason
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: why you were fourteen and three in the one seed
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: in the AFC, and it just burned you in a
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: situation like that. So a lot more to discuss here
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: three ZHO three five O four oh nine two five
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  Speaker 5: it's a rally house football Monday back after this