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Ephesians 5: 1-21 with Ryan McCall...Walking & Partnering with God? · Pursuing the Heart

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SPEAKER_00: It's pursuing the heart, and we're back at it tonight.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh thank you for every time you listen.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you for taking the time to listen to this.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh this is pursuing the heart.
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SPEAKER_00: God pursued me, now I pursue him, and we're on this incredible journey, and we get to participate in this relationship with God.
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SPEAKER_00: And tonight I got a repeat visitor on the podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: What's up, Ryan McCall?
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SPEAKER_00: Hello there.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh, Ryan, thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh and are you uh are you coaching right now?
1:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I am, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: You are yeah, little little night, uh well, I guess 10 10 10 year olds, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Ah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So uh you want to share with the audience the name of the team you happen to be coaching for your son?
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SPEAKER_00: We are the fighting Boschum Becklers of Michigan.
1:53
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: So have you have you um bought any Michigan attire?
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SPEAKER_01: I have, man.
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SPEAKER_01: Um Yeah, we we've got a close friend of ours that we share in common that's a big Michigan State fan, so probably not gonna, he's probably not gonna be too happy when he hears this.
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SPEAKER_01: But uh I've you know, ever since I was young watching football with my dad, I remember there was this guy, he was a heck of a wide receiver, his name is Anthony Carter.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: He's a good uh good wide receiver there.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and you know, I was kind of a you know, I had an appreciation for their uniforms and their colors.
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SPEAKER_01: Are they my favorite team?
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SPEAKER_01: No, but do they bother me like some other teams?
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, I kind of have a soft spot for them, but I wouldn't say I'm a fan.
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SPEAKER_00: I drew a line on one team.
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SPEAKER_00: So I've got two of those.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, two.
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SPEAKER_00: Two really, but like one Indiana team.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
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SPEAKER_01: One is an Indiana team.
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SPEAKER_00: Not for me.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh one is they wear orange and blue, and I've told everybody they do not wear those colors at my house.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Hogtown.
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SPEAKER_00: Hogtown.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what they call Gainesville Hogtown.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So anyway, we appreciate you coming on tonight.
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SPEAKER_01: You excited?
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SPEAKER_01: I am, and uh, I feel like this is divine.
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SPEAKER_01: I feel like, you know, the fun part has been is you guys have been in Ephesians.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and so when you started, I was like, hmm, I felt led to go through it.
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SPEAKER_01: And I and when I've been going through it, I'm seeing something entirely different than I did the previous times.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, this is gonna be some good conversation and you're teeing it up the the audience here.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think there's some things that are really exciting that that I feel like the Lord has really given me a passion for.
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SPEAKER_01: And we'll I'm I you know we'll get I don't want to you know get too far ahead of us ourselves here, but I think you know, we'll with time and Lord will lead us in that, and I think it's gonna be a lot of fun.
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SPEAKER_00: So one last question before we start.
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SPEAKER_00: This is the first time we've had the intro music while you're on here.
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SPEAKER_01: Did you like it?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was like made me think of this old guy that used to play at the Slippery Noodle back in the day.
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SPEAKER_01: His name was Duke Tomato.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, Duke, yes, remember Duke Tomato?
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SPEAKER_00: That's who he reminded me of.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, he was on Q95 here locally in Indianapolis, so yeah a lot.
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SPEAKER_01: So oh yeah, he's big with Bob and Tom, I think.
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SPEAKER_01: He was, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But yeah, that's that's the his that voice uh really brought back memories of Duke Tomato.
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SPEAKER_00: I will have to say thank you, Rusty Kennedy, for the um intro music, and I use it as an at outro music as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Awesome, but uh it's really good and it it it's it hits, so yeah, uh yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I like it.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, so uh this is pursuing the heart.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh God pursued me, now I get to pursue him, and uh the whole purpose of the podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: I haven't done this in a while, is to share how you can have a casual conversation with someone about the word, and they could have a difference of opinion than you, and you listen to them and you can agree with them, or you can take it, study it, and see if that person is on to something.
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SPEAKER_00: Because there's a lot of times I'll hear something, I'll chew on it, and then I'm like, okay, I can see where he was coming from there.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like the word has revealed that to me.
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SPEAKER_00: So um that's what we try to do, and then we also have uh at the end some personal story um talking about how God might have come through, or personal story of just redemption could be redemption, how he's redeemed us, or uh just encouragement.
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SPEAKER_00: So we'll see how that goes tonight.
5:48
SPEAKER_00: Um so uh Ryan, do you want to open up in prayer?
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SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Love to, thank you.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh Lord Father Jesus, we just thank you for this uh beautiful Friday.
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SPEAKER_01: A little warm, but nonetheless, it is a Friday, and we get to sit and just share a passion about who you are, Lord, and and we just pray that you would just speak through us through the Holy Spirit.
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SPEAKER_01: Lord, make an appeal to yourself through us.
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SPEAKER_01: Um let listeners know that um just your heart for them, not for them to follow you in a religious way, but for them to open their hearts and to want to know you more.
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SPEAKER_01: Because ultimately that's what you want is their heart, not their behavior.
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SPEAKER_01: And Lord, I just thank you for this time, thank you for the opportunity, and we just trust you with the uh the time together and just ask that you just uh use this to glorify yourself.
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SPEAKER_01: In your name we pray, amen.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so we've been going through Ephesians, just like Ryan was saying.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh so Ephesians has been a very good book for the podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh every book that we've gone through, we started in Colossians, we went to Galatians, and then now we're in Ephesians.
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SPEAKER_00: I really believe God is using these books to minister to myself and to others and just show the mysteries of what Paul is trying to reveal to us through these books.
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SPEAKER_00: And a lot of we've discovered through each one of these books, Paul is frustrated with um individuals that have come in behind him to speak of a different gospel.
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SPEAKER_00: So he's trying to set the record straight or to remind the person who the letter was intended for, the church in this would have been Ephesus, the church of Ephesus and the Church of Ephesus um to remind them who Christ is.
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SPEAKER_00: When you are a believer, you are sealed in him, seated in the heavenly places.
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SPEAKER_00: Those are things in the first chapter.
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SPEAKER_00: And then in the second chapter, he keeps on going and talks a little bit.
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SPEAKER_00: We've talked about grace and how everyone, how would he use that illustration of grace is like if you like biscuits and gravy or say you like pancakes and you keep on putting more syrup, more syrup, more syrup, and a biscuits and gravy analogy would just be more gravy, please, more gravy, more gravy.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's endless.
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SPEAKER_00: And um then we had some unity in the believers.
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SPEAKER_00: Um like if you are um Greek, Jewish, you can come together and now because through Christ we're all in one family, if you believe in him.
8:51
SPEAKER_00: And then we went through some uh examples of what the body looks like, the church body, the church, we are the church, so as individuals, we um the spirit has given us spiritual gifts.
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SPEAKER_00: We went through some of those.
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SPEAKER_00: And um, some are apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds, teachers, and um the spirit equips the saints through Christ.
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SPEAKER_00: We each all have a role to play, no one's greater than the other.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think in Paul's example was the head is no bigger than the big toe or whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: And so we went through those illustrations and then just bringing things together, and then I love last week's conversation.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you had a chance to listen to it, uh Ryan.
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SPEAKER_00: I did.
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SPEAKER_00: Chris came on and he was talking about the renewal of the mind, and it was so good.
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SPEAKER_01: What was that word that he uh it's been coming up a lot more?
9:58
SPEAKER_01: Uh plasti um neuro plus plasticity, yes, which is a renewing of the mind, which is renewing the mind creating new paths in your brain.
10:08
SPEAKER_00: Right.
10:08
SPEAKER_00: So he threw down that, and what is really weird was at church that this that Sunday before he came on, he did not know this.
10:21
SPEAKER_00: No, but our pastor friend had brought in a what'd you say, a Christian psychologist?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, some a therapist, therapist, somebody who definitely understands that and she brought up the same words renewing your mind.
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SPEAKER_00: Same word, the what was your neuro, what did you say?
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SPEAKER_00: Plast plasticity.
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SPEAKER_00: Plasticity.
10:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I might be saying it wrong, so you're gonna have to forgive me, Chris.
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SPEAKER_01: Which I think is, if I'm not mistaken, the interesting part is that's a secular term.
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SPEAKER_01: Am I right?
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SPEAKER_00: I would most likely probably, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it is, uh Yeah, but I'm just sure.
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SPEAKER_01: I just think it's interesting how you go down these secular things, and at the end of the day, you'll always at the end of the trail, you'll come to Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: So we listened to a gentleman from Georgia that taught very similar things.
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SPEAKER_00: His name's Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Tim Jennings.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: He's wrote fantastic.
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SPEAKER_00: Wrote two books.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Heart shaped mind and heart-shaped heart, or something like that.
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SPEAKER_00: Or God Shaped Heart, God shaped mind is the two books.
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SPEAKER_00: Tim, Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Tim Jennings, you can get it on Amazon.
11:37
SPEAKER_00: There you go.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm Amazon's bestseller of books, there, Brian.
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SPEAKER_00: But anyway, very similar conversations that he said on a podcast that we listened to like two months ago, and it was very deep.
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SPEAKER_00: It was like a two and a half hour podcast, right?
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SPEAKER_00: It was great.
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SPEAKER_00: We talked about it for a while.
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SPEAKER_00: It was great.
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SPEAKER_00: So redoing renewing of the mind, and um, it was very good conversation that Chris and I had, and just like now you know your identity, you live this way, you pursue God, and identity is a huge thing, right?
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SPEAKER_00: You know your identity, who you are in Christ, child of God, you've been redeemed, forgiven.
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SPEAKER_00: But you don't have to stay there, you can grow from there.
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SPEAKER_01: Amen.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think that's what I'm seeing this time around through Ephesians, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think Paul is encouraging the believers in this chapter five of taking the next steps of once you are in the I'm gonna call it practice of renewing your mind, that these are some things that you should do, or this comes after this.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Am I right?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I I think it gets a little practical, yes, but I think what we'll find, there's some very interesting things that go into what he just had talked to the church about, the fact that there's no Jew or Greek.
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SPEAKER_01: Yep, that we are one in Christ.
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SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think there's some things that he addresses that are pictures.
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SPEAKER_00: And then and then the end of the last chapter uh last chapter four, he set some like behavioral things.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Like if um stealing, right?
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SPEAKER_00: That was one of them, I think.
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SPEAKER_00: Or corruption, like your talk, your speech should reflect your the inner man, not on the not the outer person, not your flesh.
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SPEAKER_00: And you should desire to speak from there, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so uh we'll we'll start the chapter five.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm reading today out of the ESV.
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SPEAKER_00: Feel free to read whatever you whatever translation you're comfortable with.
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SPEAKER_00: Um says, therefore, be imitators of God as beloved children.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, hold on.
14:04
SPEAKER_00: There you go.
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SPEAKER_00: Hold on.
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SPEAKER_00: Therefore, therefore, what does that mean, Ryan?
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SPEAKER_01: The author is saying that what was written before is important, is important and it has to do with what he's it where he's going because that you you need to know that part first to know where the next step is.
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SPEAKER_00: So we've said this many a time.
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SPEAKER_00: So if you've been a listener to pursuing the art for a while, you know what we're about to do.
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SPEAKER_00: So the therefore or a but is almost the same thing.
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SPEAKER_00: You need like when you're jumping in a chapter, and if you see a therefore, you need to go back and see, okay, what was in the last two verses or the last verse.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe this can help us as we continue to move through because Paul is wanting you and encouraging you to go back to the last verse.
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SPEAKER_00: Read the last verse, and then you might understand what comes after the therefore.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So if you do that, so verse 32, it says, Be kind to one another, tend to hearted, forgiving one another as God in Christ forgave you.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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SPEAKER_00: So you've read this today.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Does that help you understand where Paul might be going?
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SPEAKER_01: 100%.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's the reason why he's going to mention certain things.
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SPEAKER_01: I think there's it's a picture.
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SPEAKER_01: It goes, it goes.
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SPEAKER_01: So I I don't want to get too far off track here, but I love in the first so with the therefore, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Therefore.
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SPEAKER_01: So you go back, and one of the things I really caught this time, and yeah, I know it's gonna about it's about to get jumping.
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SPEAKER_01: So I got the I got my hair standing up already.
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SPEAKER_01: So anyway, go ahead.
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SPEAKER_01: So Ephesians one, if you go back and read that, yeah, it's an identity.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's there's a lot of identity there.
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SPEAKER_01: There is, but it's not just identity.
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SPEAKER_01: No, okay.
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SPEAKER_01: So the phrase I love in Ephesians one, it says it three times.
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SPEAKER_01: So if you see things, something the same phrase three times, that's when you stop and say, This is another This is a big deal.
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SPEAKER_00: Another thing that our audience, if you've been listening for a while, or if you've been around me, yeah, in the word in scripture, if something is repeated three times in a row, or three times in one chapter, the same thing, same phrase, it is the author trying to bring you attention to something that's very important.
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SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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SPEAKER_00: Bingo.
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SPEAKER_00: Because in the Old Testament, it's repeated.
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SPEAKER_00: A lot of the Jewish um prophets would, or even in Psalms, you see holy, holy, holy.
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SPEAKER_00: Holy, holy, holy.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's usually holy, holy, God almighty.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, what whatever it follows after that, it's bringing the Jewish person to like, okay, this is important.
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SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I shared this with my grandson a couple months ago.
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SPEAKER_00: In Joshua, it says, Be strong and courageous, be strong and courageous, be strong and courageous.
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SPEAKER_00: In chapter one, where the Lord is telling Joshua and said it three times in three straight verses.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So whenever you see that as a as a reader, it's very important.
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SPEAKER_00: So didn't mean to cut you off.
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SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, it's it's very, I mean, it's very true.
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SPEAKER_01: But that I I've never you so three times Ephesians 1, Paul says to the praise of his glory, capital H glory.
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SPEAKER_01: That things are to praise of his glory.
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SPEAKER_01: And you know, I've always read this chapter.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a it's a very, you know, it you can walk away from it feeling very good about yourself because it is there's a lot of true identity stuff in there.
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SPEAKER_01: But you know, it's like we always talk about is that identity part is not really just for me to walk around and say, I'm this, I'm that, and I'm that.
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SPEAKER_01: No, it's it's how it's to be to praise of his glory.
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SPEAKER_01: And if you go back, I don't want to get too far off track here, but if you go back to how God and Adam had a relationship before the fall in Genesis 3, I think um Adam looked just like Adam was a Adam Adam, Adam was an imager, right?
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SPEAKER_01: He was a direct image, and I think that's why he bought us back, is so that we can be the praise of his glory because we remind people of who he is.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's just so beautiful.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like it's not just about me and my identity, it's about me being part of the family and being an imagery to the praise of his glory.
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SPEAKER_00: And as an imagery you're reflecting the inner man, not the outer man.
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SPEAKER_00: And as you grow in your faith, and we've talked about this before, as you grow or as I grow in my faith, Scott doesn't look like the same Scott 20 years ago.
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SPEAKER_00: Scott doesn't even look like the same Scott 10 years ago.
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SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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SPEAKER_00: My wife says, if you could go back in time and see your old self 13 years ago to today, you wouldn't recognize that person back then.
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SPEAKER_01: That's kind of fun to to think consider it, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Because we take it for granted sometimes.
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SPEAKER_00: Yep, and that's what Paul's encouraging us as believers is to grow and to mature.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is part of that.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think so kind of where we're headed here, but I love going back to John 17 because you read John 17, and you you are gonna get a very, very, very vivid and clear uh idea of the Lord's heart.
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SPEAKER_00: So in John 17 is Jesus' prayer to the Father.
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SPEAKER_00: I believe this prayer happened in the Garden of Gethsemane.
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SPEAKER_00: This is something he's praying to the Father, yeah, and you see this love that the Father and the Son have to each other.
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SPEAKER_01: Bam.
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SPEAKER_00: And then you have the love from the Son to us by saying, Hey, send the messenger, the the the the basically the Holy Spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So you can it talks about all three pieces of the Trinity because he's saying, just like I you're in me.
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SPEAKER_00: I and you, I and you.
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SPEAKER_01: So anyway, yeah, but no, wait, no, this this no, we're not off.
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SPEAKER_01: And the reason why is you know, you hear Jesus' heart in John 17.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's all about oneness, unity, union.
21:06
SPEAKER_01: We could do a whole podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: We could if you ever do, man.
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SPEAKER_01: I love that one.
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SPEAKER_01: But my point is, is so what's Paul been talking about?
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SPEAKER_01: Unity.
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SPEAKER_01: So so the fun part is is Paul as a new covenant believer, he has Jesus' heart.
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SPEAKER_01: So what the Lord is passionate about, Paul is passionate about.
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SPEAKER_01: And he's been talking about unity, the body of Christ.
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SPEAKER_01: What's the you know, each body, each member with Jesus being the head, has a role to serve one another.
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SPEAKER_01: That is oneness, that's a union.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's a connectedness, and it echoes John 17.
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SPEAKER_00: So in verse 5, bringing it back here, it says, Therefore, be imitators of God as beloved children.
21:55
SPEAKER_00: Well, how do you be imitators?
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SPEAKER_00: Go back to verse 32.
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SPEAKER_00: It says be kind, tender hearted, forgiving one another as God in Christ forgave you.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Because you that is God's love.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you're reflecting God's love, you're being tender hearted to others.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: You are being kind.
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SPEAKER_00: You are forgiving one another.
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SPEAKER_00: If someone offends you, you forgive them.
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SPEAKER_00: Right?
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SPEAKER_00: It's a love that surpasses understanding.
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SPEAKER_00: It's really hard sometimes to forgive somebody that has a offended you or done some injustice to you.
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SPEAKER_00: But it says forgiving one another, right?
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SPEAKER_01: But yeah, and and you know, as you always wonder why.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, it's it goes back to that you can repair oneness.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: It's what you know what we've been talking about, and that's what leading up to the I think chapter five, that's what Paul's been writing about.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, listening to verse two, kind of what we've been dancing around this.
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SPEAKER_00: It says, and walk in love as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us a fragrant offering and a sacrifice to God.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'll ask you a question.
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SPEAKER_00: If you're walking around in love, Ryan, yeah, is that attracting others to understand why you're walking in love, or is that would that be detracting people?
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SPEAKER_01: I think attracting.
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SPEAKER_01: And that that glorifies the father because if people, you know, when people can tell you're being kind, and it's not a kindness that is used to manipulate or nor control, which is fleshly.
23:44
SPEAKER_01: But if they can tell in your heart that you've got something different, that love is flowing through you, to me, that brings praise to his glory.
23:55
SPEAKER_01: Because it it's making people aware that there's something else going on besides just Scott Blueett, but Christ in Scott Blewitt through Scott Blewitt for the benefit of others.
24:08
SPEAKER_01: Love.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: And I guarantee you, people are watching how you react to certain situations to see what that if you are walking in love.
24:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:20
SPEAKER_00: Verse three or verse three says, but sexual immorality and all impurity or covenantness must not even be named among you as is proper among saints.
24:38
SPEAKER_00: So he's referring to brother or believers, brothers and sisters.
24:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:44
SPEAKER_00: Why would he just switch it up to but this?
24:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think I think the not not stealing, no, not worshiping others, going right to one topic.
24:57
SPEAKER_01: Not worshiping other little gods, sexual immorality, right?
25:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he went straight there.
25:02
SPEAKER_01: And this is where I think this thing has legs.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
25:07
SPEAKER_01: So pretty much to this point, Paul's message has been about identity.
25:15
SPEAKER_01: It's being that we are imagers to the praise of his glory, that God has created everything to be praise of his glory.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: And so I love this part because the word joining has come to mind a lot when I read this.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and we've talked about that.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: You and I didn't know.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: Joining, joining, being joined.
25:37
SPEAKER_01: Last weekend we kind of had this conversation.
25:40
SPEAKER_01: So and it makes not not to get too far off topic, but if you think about um Hosea, right?
25:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:48
SPEAKER_01: God said, Hosea, once you go marry Gomer.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: And Gomer was an adulterous prostitute.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: And she could not remain faithful.
25:58
SPEAKER_01: She did not remain faithful to Hosea, but she jo she was sexually promiscuous.
26:05
SPEAKER_01: So the reason why I think the sex part is interesting here is because sex in my mind has it's like anything else.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: It's supposed to it's supposed to glory.
26:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know people think this is like dirty, sex is dirty, but it's not.
26:19
SPEAKER_01: It's it's supposed to be something else that brings praise to his glory.
26:25
SPEAKER_01: Two spirits joining each other.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: Bingo.
26:28
SPEAKER_01: And so the fun the the interesting part about the sexuality thing, sexual immorality thing is when you are sexually immoral outside of your marriage, you are joining yourself to another.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: Yes, you are.
26:44
SPEAKER_01: Which is opposite of what Jesus wants.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: Jesus wants us to be one and whole with him, to join, be joined with him.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: He who is uh what's the passage in um He without sin casts his first?
26:59
SPEAKER_01: No, it's um He who's joined Himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: Right, right And that that is a that uh sex is a physical between a husband and wife is a physical picture of that.
27:11
SPEAKER_01: And when you have sex outside of a marriage, or if you're married and you have sex outside your marriage, you are joining yourself to another.
27:18
SPEAKER_00: Another spirit.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
27:20
SPEAKER_01: It's the same, it's it's a it's it's a physical picture of this spiritual reality.
27:26
SPEAKER_00: And this is why Paul's bringing this in in verse four, it says, Let there be no filthiness, nor foolish talk, nor crude joking, yeah, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.
27:43
SPEAKER_00: So again, it goes back to heart.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: It goes back to as you grow in your faith, you are not going to be saying crude jokes.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: You're not your talk is going to reflect who you are.
28:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's I think a lot of that is has has to do with the renewing of your mind.
28:07
SPEAKER_00: You see if you're doing chapter four, it's different, yes, and you're living it out on a daily basis through what whatever that looks like.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
28:17
SPEAKER_00: I agree.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: And then five, it says, for you may be sure of this that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure or who is covetous, that is an idolater, has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
28:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, pretty harsh.
28:41
SPEAKER_01: It is, but I under I I totally see it now how God's heart is in display in that.
28:48
SPEAKER_01: And the reason being is because you know, you go back to old covenant, old testament, and God's a jealous god.
28:54
SPEAKER_01: Why is God a jealous God?
28:56
SPEAKER_01: Because his people his people were worshiping other little gods, that's right.
29:01
SPEAKER_01: And so that and so, Scott, that's a great point.
29:05
SPEAKER_01: And so then you say, okay, that helps explain why he is so against sexual immoralities, because when you're sexually immoral, you're joining yourself to multiple people.
29:19
SPEAKER_01: It's not it back to the Ephesians one, to the praise of his glory.
29:23
SPEAKER_01: That is not to the praise of his glory.
29:25
SPEAKER_01: He created all things to bring glory to himself, and so it makes based on what you said, you know, it's like he always said that Israel in the old covenant was an adulterous nation, and it's because they were joining the burial.
29:41
SPEAKER_00: He has some very harsh language in Ezekiel, yeah, that if people understood it, it was it's very, very direct to Israel as a nation, yeah, and what they continue to do and over and over again, and that's what he wanted them to do for him, yeah, not for these other pursuing these other little gods.
30:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's but I just love how he's how Paul is using sexual immorality, yeah, and it makes sense why.
30:11
SPEAKER_01: It's because you've been bought bought with a price, his reasoning for reconcile you so you can be one spirit with him, be in unity, in union, joined, and sexual immorality is the opposite of that, it's joining yourself to multiple people when we're supposed to be in the spiritual realm, we're we are one with the Lord, and our physical realm is just a reflection of that.
30:35
SPEAKER_01: So you I mean you you can go as deep as his design for marriage.
30:40
SPEAKER_01: And um I'm gonna share this real quick.
30:43
SPEAKER_01: It's a funny story.
30:44
SPEAKER_01: Are you okay with that?
30:45
SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, go right ahead.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: All right.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: So my kids are 12 and 9, and about I'm reading this a couple weeks ago, and we're driving to school, and I say, Hey kids, I want to talk to you about something.
30:57
SPEAKER_01: And they're like, What?
30:58
SPEAKER_01: And I said, I want to talk to you about sex.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: You should have seen their faces.
31:02
SPEAKER_01: Right.
31:02
SPEAKER_01: Oh boy, no, dad, we're not talking about that.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: That's disgusting.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: I said, guys, the reason why I want to talk to you about this is I was reading in this is in Ephesians 5.
31:13
SPEAKER_01: It's like, you know, God created sex to be in a marriage.
31:15
SPEAKER_01: The reason being is if you think about it, right?
31:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:18
SPEAKER_01: A husband marries a wife, they get married, and their wedding night, they have physical intimacy.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: And the male has his body part, it's goes into the woman's body part, the seed is then goes into the woman, and out of that seed comes new life.
31:37
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
31:37
SPEAKER_01: And I was sharing that with the kids.
31:39
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, what you guys need to understand is sex is this is the reason why sex is meant for the marriage, because it's a pit it all that is that's a picture of when we come, we are considered to be what the bride of Christ.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: And when we come to accept him, the point of salvation, he then injects his spirit into us, and in that we have what we call new life.
32:04
SPEAKER_01: And so I shared this with the kids, you know, and it and I just told them, I said, you know, I I know that you guys are gonna hear a lot of different versions of what the purpose is of sex and probably worldly versions.
32:17
SPEAKER_01: I just told them, I said, I want you to understand that it's a picture of Christ in the church.
32:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's you have a physical aspect of it and then you have a spiritual aspect of it.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:30
SPEAKER_00: And a lot of that you have in a lot of things that's in the in the word in the Bible, right?
32:38
SPEAKER_00: You have a physical in the physical what it looks like, but in the spiritual, it looks like this.
32:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:43
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can take that as far as saying it's even a picture of why I don't believe there's a such thing as called dual being dual natured.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: Because you're you're one with the Lord.
32:55
SPEAKER_01: That's what he wants.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: He reconciled you, so you're one with him.
32:59
SPEAKER_00: Well, Ephesians 1 kind of said you're sealed in you're sealed in him.
33:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:05
SPEAKER_00: Union.
33:06
SPEAKER_00: So you have this union.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: Well, how you're sealed in him, he gives you the Holy Spirit.
33:11
SPEAKER_00: Amen.
33:12
SPEAKER_00: And out of that comes new life.
33:13
SPEAKER_00: Right.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: Beautiful.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: And all you have to do is believe and have faith.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: In the unseen.
33:21
SPEAKER_00: Like I didn't see Christ die.
33:22
SPEAKER_00: I didn't see him raised from the dead, but I believe in the gospel, and then the gospel is true.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
33:29
SPEAKER_01: But I just love how you know you can pick, you can you think about sex, and it's it's joining two people together.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: And that you know, Paul's been kind of talking about that.
33:39
SPEAKER_01: Hey, look, everybody is one.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: There's no Jew and Gentile.
33:42
SPEAKER_01: We're all one spirit.
33:44
SPEAKER_01: The same spirit.
33:45
SPEAKER_01: Same spirit.
33:45
SPEAKER_01: We are together, and we are unified.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: We are one.
33:49
SPEAKER_01: I just love how he uses sex here just to kind of like paint a picture of that in the physical realm.
33:57
SPEAKER_00: So moving right along, it says, not let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things, the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
34:11
SPEAKER_00: So there is deceit.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: The world will tell you, or tell they were telling these if the church of Ephesus, it's okay.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: You can you can go hang out with at this temple that worships worships another god.
34:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:29
SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
34:30
SPEAKER_00: It's alright.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:32
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, you're fine.
34:34
SPEAKER_00: Spiritual adultery.
34:36
SPEAKER_00: Right.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: Playing the harlot.
34:38
SPEAKER_00: Playing the harlot, right?
34:40
SPEAKER_00: So it it is, don't let someone deceive you.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: You know the truth.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: You know who Christ is, what he did for you, and now you love him because of that.
34:51
SPEAKER_00: Don't let anyone deceive you on any because so this is the thing where I believe Ephesians is trying the first two chapters, or you can even throw three in there.
35:03
SPEAKER_00: Is this foundation who Christ is?
35:07
SPEAKER_00: And it and he did this in Galatians as well.
35:11
SPEAKER_00: So those first couple of chapters, he's setting the foundation.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: Same thing in Colossians.
35:15
SPEAKER_00: Colossians is per is a great example.
35:19
SPEAKER_00: Colossians one talks about who Jesus is and what he is and what he did and what he's done forever and what he's doing.
35:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:28
SPEAKER_00: And if you understand that, and then you're under, and then Ephesians lays it out.
35:34
SPEAKER_00: Paul writes it very similar, yeah, and but different wording of who Christ is.
35:42
SPEAKER_00: This is where you're at if you're a believer.
35:45
SPEAKER_00: You have been, you know, grafted in.
35:48
SPEAKER_00: You are sealed in him.
35:50
SPEAKER_00: You're seated in the heavenly places, you're one with him.
35:54
SPEAKER_00: You're joined with him.
35:56
SPEAKER_00: So this oneness, and now because of that, you get to pursue him and you get to walk in this love.
36:05
SPEAKER_00: And he's like, please don't let anybody deceive you with just empty words, hollow stuff.
36:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:15
SPEAKER_00: Am I right?
36:16
SPEAKER_00: It's very easy to get right.
36:18
SPEAKER_00: And then if you go there, seven and says, therefore, here we go.
36:22
SPEAKER_00: Do not become partners with them.
36:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so partners, do you have the sex thing right there?
36:27
SPEAKER_00: There's partners, right?
36:28
SPEAKER_00: So if you care for what you join yourself to if you understand what Paul was saying before the therefore.
36:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: So so far we've got two therefores in this one chapter.
36:38
SPEAKER_00: We'll get a third one.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: So these are very important.
36:42
SPEAKER_00: This is a very important chapter that Paul is throwing down because he's reminding you you're in a partnership with Christ.
36:52
SPEAKER_00: You're not in a partnership to him.
36:54
SPEAKER_00: You're not in a partnership with the sons of disobedience, which is the unbelievers.
37:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
37:02
SPEAKER_01: And you know the fun part about obedience and disobedience really is bless my mom's heart.
37:09
SPEAKER_01: But I remember growing up when my behavior's off, she'd say, Ryan, you're being disobedient.
37:14
SPEAKER_01: Right?
37:14
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
37:15
SPEAKER_01: So my initial thought when I'd see obedience in the Bible or disobedience, it would be behavior.
37:21
SPEAKER_01: But obedience, what it really means is to hear or to listen.
37:25
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
37:27
SPEAKER_00: And the very next verse it says, For at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord.
37:37
SPEAKER_00: Walk as children of light.
37:40
SPEAKER_01: So isn't that amazing?
37:41
SPEAKER_01: Like, look at the like I took English class.
37:44
SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty sure you did too.
37:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I probably South Georgia may not have had English class better.
37:50
SPEAKER_01: Come on.
37:51
SPEAKER_01: But no, the the this is where the words get fun.
37:54
SPEAKER_01: Like my the reversion I'm reading right now says, for you were.
37:59
SPEAKER_01: Means that's something that used to be past tense once darkness.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: So you were once darkness, but now but you love the word but whatever comes after but trumps what's said before.
38:12
SPEAKER_01: Right.
38:13
SPEAKER_01: But now you are light in the Lord.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: So this is ongoing.
38:18
SPEAKER_00: Present right now.
38:20
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
38:20
SPEAKER_00: That's ongoing.
38:21
SPEAKER_00: So if I'm a believer, you're telling me I am light in the Lord.
38:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:28
SPEAKER_00: You are right now.
38:30
SPEAKER_01: Right now.
38:30
SPEAKER_01: There's nothing.
38:31
SPEAKER_01: Even guess what?
38:33
SPEAKER_01: Even on your bad days, you are still light.
38:36
SPEAKER_01: Reflecting light.
38:37
SPEAKER_01: But it's just as he he goes next, he says, he says, walk as children in the light.
38:43
SPEAKER_00: So walking here is not like me getting up out of my chair and I'm gonna walk outside.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: Walking is the manner you live your life.
38:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:54
SPEAKER_00: The manner of how you conduct yourself on a daily business, daily basis.
39:01
SPEAKER_00: Not business, daily basis.
39:03
SPEAKER_00: So like when I am in the world, how I'm conducting myself in the world is walking.
39:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
39:12
SPEAKER_00: So when it said Enoch walked with God, meaning he was reflecting light.
39:20
SPEAKER_00: Here's an image.
39:21
SPEAKER_00: That's it, that's in the old testament.
39:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
39:24
SPEAKER_00: And it said David walked with God.
39:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:28
SPEAKER_00: Same thing.
39:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:30
SPEAKER_00: It all these Old Testament dudes were walking with him.
39:34
SPEAKER_00: Abraham walked with God.
39:36
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
39:36
SPEAKER_00: Meaning the way he conducted himself, he lived out his faith.
39:43
SPEAKER_00: This is what it says.
39:45
SPEAKER_01: He walked it out.
39:46
SPEAKER_01: And then it says in quotations.
39:48
SPEAKER_01: But you know, I want to I want to make one last point before you move on here.
39:52
SPEAKER_01: Is he says, so basically Paul is saying, walk as children of light, right?
40:00
SPEAKER_01: What if this is the this is the fun part when you come to this conclusion?
40:04
SPEAKER_01: What if God is more concerned about your heart than he is your behavior?
40:11
SPEAKER_01: I think that's what Paul's saying is you've been given this new heart, walk it out.
40:17
SPEAKER_00: Well, if you understand in the previous chapter, yeah, he's trying to tell you to live out your identity.
40:23
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
40:24
SPEAKER_00: And by doing that, is you're constantly renewing your mind.
40:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
40:29
SPEAKER_00: And that cleans your mind and attitude reflects your inner inner being, who you are.
40:37
SPEAKER_01: It's a maturity process.
40:39
SPEAKER_01: The renewing of your mind is not something that happens overnight.
40:41
SPEAKER_01: No.
40:42
SPEAKER_01: Your attitudes change about certain things.
40:45
SPEAKER_01: Um it's like I said, it's a process.
40:48
SPEAKER_01: And I think a lot of times in Christian circles, you get somebody that um comes to Christ, and now all these shoulds are placed on these people.
40:58
SPEAKER_00: Well, with me, it was a bunch of do's.
41:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you need to be doing this, you need to be doing that, which is which could it is probably well-meaning, but the reality of it is that if they've truly had an encounter with Christ, their heart has been, they've gotten be given a brand new heart, and maturity is going to be a process where they're learning to walk according to that new heart.
41:20
SPEAKER_01: And truth be told, we all have, we, you and I both have new hearts.
41:25
SPEAKER_01: There's some days where I don't I don't probably walk it out.
41:30
SPEAKER_01: No.
41:31
SPEAKER_00: But the good news is when you don't you aren't as fulfilled.
41:38
SPEAKER_00: I think uh the key is as I mature in him, those days are fewer and fewer.
41:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:45
SPEAKER_00: Or they should be.
41:47
SPEAKER_00: If I'm living out in the inner man, the inner the spirit, and I'm renewing my mind and I'm chasing after the Father, I'm chasing after Jesus, I am the days that doesn't reflect the inner person are very few.
42:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:11
SPEAKER_00: The moments are very few.
42:13
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
42:14
SPEAKER_00: Um I like it says nine, for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: So fruit is singular.
42:25
SPEAKER_00: Fruit is singular, not fruits.
42:27
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
42:28
SPEAKER_00: So it's the fruit.
42:29
SPEAKER_00: You get one, you get them all.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: You get them all.
42:32
SPEAKER_00: So this is saying the fruit of the light.
42:35
SPEAKER_00: So we are light.
42:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:37
SPEAKER_00: So the reflection of that light is the fruit of the spirit.
42:42
SPEAKER_00: And what is the fruit of the spirit?
42:45
SPEAKER_00: Joy, peace, happ, love, kindness, self-control.
42:49
SPEAKER_00: All that is the reflection of the Holy Spirit who lives inside me.
42:55
SPEAKER_00: And that goes back to those that oneness and partnership.
42:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that even goes back to Ephesians 1, to the praise to be a visit glory.
43:05
SPEAKER_01: It brings him glory.
43:06
SPEAKER_01: It brings when people see that in you, Scott, they see Jesus.
43:10
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
43:12
SPEAKER_00: It's hard to fathom that, but yes.
43:15
SPEAKER_00: True.
43:15
SPEAKER_00: It's bringing attention back to Christ, not attention on self.
43:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
43:20
SPEAKER_01: So it's almost like you've been uh he's restored what was.
43:25
SPEAKER_01: I think Adam was he's restored the Adam was a perfect imager before the fall.
43:32
SPEAKER_01: Adam and Eve were perfect imagers of the Father now, when he puts his spirit in you and gives you that heart, you're now an imagery when that life is that new heart is expressed through your unique personality.
43:46
SPEAKER_01: You're now again an imager of him.
43:49
SPEAKER_01: Going back to the garden the way it was supposed to.
43:51
SPEAKER_01: Amen.
43:52
SPEAKER_01: It's awesome.
43:53
SPEAKER_01: It's very awesome.
43:54
SPEAKER_01: Can you believe that it isn't just crazy like when you read the Bible?
44:00
SPEAKER_01: When you see things like this and how they intertwine, it's like there's no way this thing was just piecemealed together.
44:06
SPEAKER_01: I mean, the only way this thing could be written was through the the Holy Spirit.
44:11
SPEAKER_00: It's it's wild.
44:14
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I always say the Holy Spirit, this is inspired by the Holy Spirit, all 66 books.
44:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:22
SPEAKER_00: And the very next verse, it's very short, but it says, and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord.
44:30
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
44:30
SPEAKER_00: Discernment is what I believe Solomon asked for from God.
44:35
SPEAKER_00: Discernment.
44:37
SPEAKER_00: Discernment is, I think, okay, so you can you can rationalize this.
44:44
SPEAKER_00: If I'm doing X, is this pleasing to God?
44:48
SPEAKER_00: If I'm doing Y, is that pleasing to God?
44:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: You don't have to sit here and think about it.
44:53
SPEAKER_00: You already know if it is or if it ain't.
44:56
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
44:57
SPEAKER_00: Because you know it goes against who you are.
45:00
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
45:00
SPEAKER_01: Well, he created all things for himself to be glory.
45:03
SPEAKER_01: Again, back to that whole thing.
45:05
SPEAKER_01: It's like, yeah, so there are certain things that are pleasing to him because they they allow his glory to be praised.
45:13
SPEAKER_00: And he doesn't have to list them because he knows you know what's not pleasing to the Lord.
45:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:19
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: And he's already said some things in the previous verses.
45:24
SPEAKER_00: And it says, take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
45:31
SPEAKER_00: So if I'm if you're participating.
45:35
SPEAKER_01: That mine see my version, and I was I was waiting for you to get there because you and I love that word participating because it's a joint effort, right?
45:42
SPEAKER_01: It's two parts working together.
45:45
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
45:45
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, so my my version says do not participate in useless deeds again.
45:51
SPEAKER_01: When I think of that, I think of that word joining.
45:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
45:57
SPEAKER_01: Like what am I what am I joining?
45:59
SPEAKER_01: What am I joining myself to in the useless deeds?
46:03
SPEAKER_01: Again, there's no life in it.
46:05
SPEAKER_00: Paul's encouraging you to do this.
46:07
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
46:08
SPEAKER_00: He's encouraging you as a believer to do this because you want, you know why?
46:14
SPEAKER_00: Because if you are doing this, it brings God glory.
46:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:22
SPEAKER_00: Because if I'm out there chasing the world, it doesn't bring any glory to God.
46:28
SPEAKER_00: And it actually people will be like, isn't he a Christian?
46:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:32
SPEAKER_01: And I think I think sometimes when people think about bringing bringing glory to God, that can go under like law.
46:40
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I think we need to remind ourselves here that this is Paul admonishing us that we have a new heart in Christ.
46:49
SPEAKER_01: And so he, you know, it's our natural state to glory to God.
46:54
SPEAKER_00: He's trying to encourage us or us as believers because we've moved past if you is or you ain't.
47:00
SPEAKER_00: So he's talking to believers here.
47:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:03
SPEAKER_00: And he's talking, you need to live out your new life, this oneness partnership with Christ.
47:10
SPEAKER_00: And it says, take it says, for it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: Uh what's done in speaker, secret sometimes gets exposed.
47:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
47:28
SPEAKER_00: In the light.
47:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:30
SPEAKER_00: And you see it all around.
47:31
SPEAKER_00: You don't you can flip on the news any given day or flip on Twitter and you can see what who's getting exposed today.
47:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like the old adage where there's smoke, there's fire.
47:44
SPEAKER_00: So it says, you know, it it says, but here's another but.
47:49
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
47:49
SPEAKER_00: But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible.
47:56
SPEAKER_00: For anything that becomes visible is light, and therefore it says, Awake, O sleeper, arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.
48:09
SPEAKER_00: He wants you to be alive in Christ, is what that basically says to me.
48:14
SPEAKER_00: It's an old testament reference, but he's telling the believer, arise, wake up, be who you are.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: You are not these other things that you used to do, and these things that might come real easy.
48:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but live this out.
48:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that, and I do love that phrase, and Christ will shine on you.
48:38
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, we the big, the big those, the the three verses and one says that all the praise be his glory.
48:47
SPEAKER_01: So my when I think about that, it's like you can see Jesus everywhere around you if you're open to it.
48:56
SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing about the the interesting part when he says, and Christ will shine on you.
49:01
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, here in a couple months, we're gonna enter enter the winter season, unfortunately.
49:06
SPEAKER_01: Right.
49:07
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
49:07
SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people suffer from what in the winter season because of the depression.
49:12
SPEAKER_01: Seasonal depression.
49:13
SPEAKER_01: It's because it's it's kind of gray and eerie.
49:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so so here's where this gets fun if you really want to see Jesus everywhere.
49:22
SPEAKER_01: If you are suffering from seasonal depression, what do people naturally want to do?
49:29
SPEAKER_01: Retract.
49:30
SPEAKER_01: Retract, but no, but what is the what do how do people try to get away from that?
49:35
SPEAKER_01: What do they do?
49:36
SPEAKER_01: They they go to Florida, right?
49:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
49:39
SPEAKER_00: Where there's light.
49:41
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
49:42
SPEAKER_01: And light in it has what vitamin?
49:47
SPEAKER_01: Vitamin D.
49:48
SPEAKER_01: Vitamin D.
49:49
SPEAKER_01: And did you know vitamin D is a cure, a part, maybe not in its not total, but it's part of healing for depression.
49:59
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it is.
50:01
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
50:01
SPEAKER_01: So do you think that's interesting that Jesus is the light, and when we sit underneath him, his light shines on us?
50:09
SPEAKER_01: That's I mean, that's the whole he is the vitamin D that we need for our daily living.
50:15
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
50:16
SPEAKER_01: I just love sorry, I know that, but that's and Christ will shine on you.
50:21
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's like he is the light, like that that whole picture of the vitamin D thing, it's to the praise of his glory.
50:28
SPEAKER_00: Right.
50:29
SPEAKER_00: The next verse says, look carefully then how you walk.
50:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not as unwise, but as wise.
50:36
SPEAKER_00: So this is another walk.
50:38
SPEAKER_00: He's mentioned this again.
50:40
SPEAKER_00: So again, repeated.
50:43
SPEAKER_00: In verse two, it says walk.
50:45
SPEAKER_00: Verse eight says walk.
50:47
SPEAKER_00: This is the third time, if I'm counting correctly, walk is mentioned.
50:52
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
50:53
SPEAKER_00: He's bringing this and he's making it encouraging you to walk.
50:59
SPEAKER_00: Says then how you walk, not as unwise, but as wise, making the best use of the time because the days are evil.
51:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you're walking, you're trying to be the light in the world to direct people to attract people to Christ, not detract people to Christ.
51:22
SPEAKER_01: That's right, because the relationship, right?
51:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:25
SPEAKER_01: Because he wants, you know, the fun part is, is he's using you because he wants to reach others because of that desire for relationship.
51:32
SPEAKER_01: And the fun part is, is we too have the desire for that relationship with him, with others.
51:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you set this up the perfect, you set it up from the get-go three times.
51:46
SPEAKER_00: So so far we've seen walk mentioned three times in this one passage.
51:51
SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
51:51
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't say hurry, does it?
51:52
SPEAKER_00: No, just walk.
51:54
SPEAKER_00: Run.
51:54
SPEAKER_00: Not run, just walk.
51:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:56
SPEAKER_00: The next verse is another therefore.
52:01
SPEAKER_00: So it says 17, therefore, do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is, and do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, giving thanks always for everything to God the Father in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, submitting to one another out of reverence of Christ.
52:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm submitting to Christ, and now I submit to others.
52:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
52:42
SPEAKER_00: But going back here, he's encouraging us, he's closing this section out.
52:50
SPEAKER_00: Basically, don't be foolish, don't be fools.
52:53
SPEAKER_00: You know what the will of the Lord is.
52:55
SPEAKER_00: The will is to live, express Christ.
52:59
SPEAKER_00: Express Christ.
53:00
SPEAKER_00: He's said it three times.
53:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I'm sorry to cut you off, but I, you know, a lot of people when you hear the word the phrase the will of the Lord, you know, it's always like, well, what's the will of the Lord?
53:13
SPEAKER_01: And I think it's pretty simple.
53:15
SPEAKER_01: It's right.
53:16
SPEAKER_01: The will of the Lord is for him to live his life in and through your unique personality to be a blessing to others, and all praise to be his glory.
53:29
SPEAKER_00: So the cool thing is we have the Bible.
53:32
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
53:33
SPEAKER_00: Paul writes in a different book what the will is.
53:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
53:40
SPEAKER_00: It's in Colossians chapter one, verse nine.
53:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
53:45
SPEAKER_00: It says, and so from the day we heard, we have not ceased to pray for you, asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of his will and all spiritual wisdom and understanding.
54:00
SPEAKER_00: Knowing.
54:02
SPEAKER_00: So if I'm walking in him, I'm knowing, and I'm growing, and I'm understanding who the Father is.
54:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
54:12
SPEAKER_00: And it ties, it ties back into this.
54:15
SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, exactly.
54:17
SPEAKER_00: Because if I'm chasing that, then I am going to be walking in him.
54:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
54:23
SPEAKER_01: And the fun part is when you're saying that.
54:26
SPEAKER_01: What's John, what did Jesus say in uh John 17, 4?
54:30
SPEAKER_01: For my people.
54:32
SPEAKER_01: No, this is e this is eternal life.
54:35
SPEAKER_01: That you might know me.
54:37
SPEAKER_01: That you might yeah.
54:40
SPEAKER_01: Full circle.
54:41
SPEAKER_00: Because you can there's this is a fun little thing.
54:45
SPEAKER_00: You can you know people that say, I know who Christ is.
54:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
54:50
SPEAKER_00: But do they know who they know, do they know Christ?
54:54
SPEAKER_01: Or do they know who Christ knowing about versus knowing?
54:58
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
54:59
SPEAKER_01: To know, like you know, I knew of you back in 2014.
55:05
SPEAKER_01: Oh, hey, Brian, yeah, you like Force State.
55:08
SPEAKER_01: There's this guy also goes Lovinger, his name's Scott Bullett.
55:10
SPEAKER_01: So I knew about Scott Bullett.
55:13
SPEAKER_01: Right.
55:13
SPEAKER_01: But I didn't know because I hadn't I hadn't taken that step to get to know you and spent and how do you do that?
55:19
SPEAKER_01: You spend time with somebody.
55:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:21
SPEAKER_00: If I want you walk with somebody, you walk with them through life.
55:25
SPEAKER_00: Through life.
55:26
SPEAKER_00: And if I want to know who my heavenly heavenly father is, it's pretty, pretty easy.
55:32
SPEAKER_00: If I want to know that, you just open up the word and you get to know who he is.
55:36
SPEAKER_00: You spend time with them.
55:37
SPEAKER_00: Spend time with them.
55:38
SPEAKER_00: Pray.
55:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
55:40
SPEAKER_00: You do something I don't do, I probably should.
55:43
SPEAKER_00: You love to journal.
55:44
SPEAKER_00: I do.
55:44
SPEAKER_00: It's just my way of spending time with them.
55:46
SPEAKER_00: And it's another way.
55:48
SPEAKER_00: It's a back and forth.
55:49
SPEAKER_00: It's another way of showing, hey, I'm getting to know you.
55:53
SPEAKER_01: I I do have one quick thought.
55:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, go ahead.
55:56
SPEAKER_01: So I've always found it.
55:57
SPEAKER_01: I've I've been thinking about this recently.
55:59
SPEAKER_01: I find it interesting that if you meet somebody and they were adopted as a kid, as a baby, or their father left at a very young age.
56:12
SPEAKER_01: Inside that human being, it's always deep down, there's always a interest to want to know their true father.
56:20
SPEAKER_01: Honestly, I think that's a picture of everybody on this planet.
56:26
SPEAKER_01: Deep in their heart, he has created us to desire to want to know him.
56:31
SPEAKER_01: Are you following me there?
56:33
SPEAKER_00: I follow you.
56:34
SPEAKER_00: I do think at a certain point their heart's going to be hardened towards him.
56:38
SPEAKER_00: Could be, but I'm just they don't want they don't want that.
56:41
SPEAKER_01: I'm just I think there is I think the reason why is I think every human being was innately born with a need to want to know the the one and true heavenly father.
56:51
SPEAKER_01: I agree with that.
56:52
SPEAKER_01: Everybody there's a void until that is met.
56:55
SPEAKER_00: Everybody's born with wanting to pursue him.
57:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
57:02
SPEAKER_00: Because he's pursuing them.
57:05
SPEAKER_06: Yep.
57:05
SPEAKER_00: And if you if he's pursuing you, you can answer the call or not answer the call.
57:10
SPEAKER_00: That's I you have a choice.
57:12
SPEAKER_00: Now some people say you don't have a choice, but I think you do.
57:15
SPEAKER_00: But if you didn't have a choice, it'd be control, and that's not love.
57:18
SPEAKER_01: Right.
57:19
SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
57:20
SPEAKER_01: How does it usually work out in a in a relationship or marriage when one person tries to control the other?
57:26
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't.
57:28
SPEAKER_00: That's my point.
57:29
SPEAKER_00: It goes, it goes, it it's that two fists together because it's they're not joining.
57:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
57:36
SPEAKER_00: Because there's no love there, right?
57:37
SPEAKER_00: It's control.
57:38
SPEAKER_01: It's that's and that's honestly that's kind of like what religion does.
57:43
SPEAKER_01: Not trying to be offensive here, but religion tries to control.
57:46
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
57:47
SPEAKER_01: And you and I both have come to a beautiful place of understanding that you know the father, he doesn't can he's not gonna force you to love him.
57:56
SPEAKER_01: No, because it would not be love, but he gives us a choice.
58:01
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
58:01
SPEAKER_01: And the fun part is when after you see how he pursues you, you pursue him back, then we come to a place of that knowing that you were just speaking of.
58:11
SPEAKER_06: Yep.
58:12
SPEAKER_00: Ryan, uh we have some great discussion.
58:18
SPEAKER_00: Uh this is where in the point of the podcast where I'm going to talk a little bit, and you can talk a little bit.
58:29
SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know if I really talked about the season of life that I've been going through on the podcast.
58:40
SPEAKER_00: And um in March uh I left a company I'd been with job-wise for three and a half years.
58:53
SPEAKER_00: And I was being pushed out, or they set high expectations, they increased my expectations.
59:02
SPEAKER_00: They were pushing some of the older tenured salespeople out.
59:06
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
59:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so when it happened, I tried to control the situation.
59:13
SPEAKER_00: So let me go find a job real quick to that, to satisfy what we're we as a family are going to be missing dollar wise.
59:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
59:25
SPEAKER_00: So I did that.
59:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
59:28
SPEAKER_00: Thought this was what God wanted.
59:31
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, okay, I got it.
59:33
SPEAKER_00: I got it.
59:34
SPEAKER_00: I've taken care of it.
59:36
SPEAKER_00: This will fill the void until I find my next job.
59:40
SPEAKER_00: But what it was doing was going right against what I don't who I am.
59:49
SPEAKER_00: Meaning there were times on that job that I took that it was testing me as far as compromising my integrity, compromising who I was.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_00: And when it happened, it's I started to change because of the stress that was involved in on that, because I wasn't willing to do or participate in that.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_00: It reached to a climb climax early July.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_00: It was like right after the 4th of July.
1:00:24
SPEAKER_00: We had just came back to work.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_00: I remember this.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_00: And I was done.
1:00:31
unknown: Yeah.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_00: What I didn't know is my friends and my mainly my wife and some of my family friends, family members, were wanting me to walk away from that job because it wasn't, they didn't think it was the best thing for me.
1:00:51
SPEAKER_00: Then if I walked away from that, I have to fully surrender to what God wanted.
1:00:59
SPEAKER_00: Fully surrender.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_00: I'm fully like, okay, God, yeah, here it is.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_00: I you know that I I have a void.
1:01:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm all yours, I'm all ears, I'm willing to listen.
1:01:13
SPEAKER_00: So from July to through August, I didn't have a job.
1:01:20
SPEAKER_00: Had no income coming in, and it was very, very tight.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_00: And but here's the crazy thing is as you are pursuing him, then other brothers and your wife or any believers, other believers, you realize you're not in this foxhold by yourself.
1:01:48
SPEAKER_00: No.
1:01:49
SPEAKER_00: Well, and and you have other people along the way that are there encouraging me, yeah, and bringing me my focus back, right?
1:02:03
SPEAKER_00: Didn't need it, but it was there, but reminding me who I am, certainly, and um through prayer, also last year we started praying really hard for one particular thing, and I made certain actions in my life to help that certain thing that I was praying for, and that was my grandson to fall in love with Christ, fall in love with God.
1:02:36
SPEAKER_05: He's 14 years old.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_05: This year after camp at his at the church, he goes to camp.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_00: I wanted it to be him to ask me if I will pick him up from church.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_00: First week after camp, he owns it.
1:02:59
SPEAKER_00: He's like, hey, can you take me to camp?
1:03:03
SPEAKER_00: Or take me to church?
1:03:05
SPEAKER_00: He sat by my wife and I.
1:03:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's and now it I bet your joy was complete.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_00: Joy was complete.
1:03:14
SPEAKER_00: And when I say this, he's sitting on the front row three Sundays in a row.
1:03:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah he's bringing friends with him to church now.
1:03:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:03:24
SPEAKER_00: And he we've had conversations, yeah, scripture verses on his door going into his bedroom.
1:03:33
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:03:35
SPEAKER_00: It's the most amazing thing.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and honestly, when you share that though, it it like what the Holy Spirit is saying to me right now is it's that's all a testimony of your new heart, Scott.
1:03:46
SPEAKER_01: You desire oneness with your grandson, with the Lord.
1:03:50
SPEAKER_00: I desire same thing with Paul saying.
1:03:52
SPEAKER_00: This is the reason why we do this podcast because I want people to listen to this and desire the same thing to pursue him.
1:03:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's the whole thing, it's the oneness thing, and it's incredible.
1:04:03
SPEAKER_00: My wife is crying in church.
1:04:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I bet because we get to see that, right?
1:04:09
SPEAKER_00: And then now I started this is day two of my new job.
1:04:13
SPEAKER_00: I got it, I have a new job now, and it's like it's a most amazing thing is when you are suffering or going through a season, and you're praying and it it happens.
1:04:35
SPEAKER_00: I know it's the opposite because you've been praying for quite a while.
1:04:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:04:45
SPEAKER_00: Five years.
1:04:45
SPEAKER_00: Five years, maybe six.
1:04:48
SPEAKER_00: Going on six, or it might be six now.
1:04:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:04:52
SPEAKER_00: And in that, I don't I'm not being boastful.
1:04:57
SPEAKER_00: No.
1:04:58
SPEAKER_00: But to you, it should be an encouragement when you see other believers, and it's an encouragement to me when like I got to see that during that season, see my grandson in June want to desire to go to church when I'm going through this no job, no money, nothing.
1:05:20
SPEAKER_00: It was an encouragement to me, like, you need to persevere, you need to keep on going because this is more important than you having a job.
1:05:29
SPEAKER_00: Did you find yourself learning to be patient?
1:05:32
SPEAKER_00: Oh, patience was one of the things that God.
1:05:36
SPEAKER_00: So, anyone that knows me or knows who knows anything about me, I am the least patient person.
1:05:43
SPEAKER_00: I might have you beat.
1:05:44
SPEAKER_00: But what God taught me during this season is patience.
1:05:50
SPEAKER_01: Why so let's let's think about this while we're on the subject, and then I want to you keep going on what your story but I'm pretty much over the story.
1:05:58
SPEAKER_00: I'm done because God.
1:06:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's like this is what I I talked to my kids about the other day through Bible studies.
1:06:06
SPEAKER_01: Like, why is patience so important to the Lord?
1:06:11
SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
1:06:15
SPEAKER_00: Patience means you at a certain point, if you're patient, you're surrendering and submitting.
1:06:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's you know, it's maybe I'm I'm not giving it to you.
1:06:27
SPEAKER_01: No, no, I think we're on the same, but I'm thinking if we go back to the heart of the Lord, what is he all about?
1:06:34
SPEAKER_01: What is he driven by?
1:06:35
SPEAKER_01: What has he always been?
1:06:36
SPEAKER_00: Love and relationship.
1:06:40
SPEAKER_01: Relationship, participation, what we've talked about.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_01: Amen.
1:06:43
SPEAKER_01: And I think in any relationship, the relationship's as good as the amount of trust that's involved.
1:06:50
SPEAKER_01: I just see patience as a high form of trust.
1:06:54
SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna share this.
1:06:56
SPEAKER_00: This was in Bible study this morning.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_00: So this is going into Exodus, and so God just delivered the Israelites from the suppression of the Egyptians.
1:07:12
SPEAKER_00: They're leaving Egypt, they're going to the Red Sea.
1:07:16
SPEAKER_00: Listen what this says.
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SPEAKER_00: It was a night of watching by the Lord to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
1:07:25
SPEAKER_00: So the same night is a night of watching kept to the Lord by all the people of Israel throughout their generations.
1:07:34
SPEAKER_00: Why do you think he was watching them in delight and love?
1:07:40
SPEAKER_00: Like those are my people.
1:07:43
SPEAKER_00: What is he doing today?
1:07:46
SPEAKER_00: He's watching us and just is sitting up there just like, I cannot believe Ryan Scott is sitting there talking about the love that I have for them and for everyone.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:08:04
SPEAKER_00: That's what he was doing.
1:08:06
SPEAKER_00: He was sitting.
1:08:14
SPEAKER_00: This morning, I've never read that verse before.
1:08:18
SPEAKER_00: I've never read that the Lord was watching.
1:08:24
SPEAKER_00: Watching.
1:08:27
SPEAKER_00: It was a night of watching by the Lord.
1:08:30
SPEAKER_00: Now he gets to watch us every day.
1:08:33
SPEAKER_00: And it says that it says throughout their generations.
1:08:38
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
1:08:39
SPEAKER_00: This is pretty crazy.
1:08:41
SPEAKER_00: He wants participation.
1:08:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but he's a father who's attentive and loves.
1:08:47
SPEAKER_01: He's a very attentive.
1:08:48
SPEAKER_00: That's why he sent his son to die on the cross for us.
1:08:51
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:08:53
SPEAKER_05: Yep.
1:08:55
SPEAKER_05: Love it.
1:08:56
SPEAKER_05: You have something to share?
1:08:58
SPEAKER_01: I just no, I I I think, you know, it's in it, it's fascinating because we talk about patience.
1:09:05
SPEAKER_01: And you know, I just feel like in the world that we exist in now, with the you know, the advent of technology, DoorDash.
1:09:13
unknown: Right.
1:09:13
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you talk to my kids have no clue what it is to, if they want to see a movie, what it's like to go to Blockbuster video.
1:09:20
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:09:21
SPEAKER_01: Remember that?
1:09:22
SPEAKER_01: You show up.
1:09:22
SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, you show up.
1:09:23
SPEAKER_00: You don't even know if it's gonna be there.
1:09:25
SPEAKER_00: So a movie would come out on Tuesday, Thursday, I can't remember, and you're hoping you make it in time.
1:09:34
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
1:09:34
SPEAKER_00: Now, if you knew a friend that worked at Blockbuster, they could call you and be like, hey, that movie that you want to see just came in.
1:09:42
SPEAKER_00: I'll put it back for you.
1:09:44
SPEAKER_00: If you knew the owner or the manager, I'm sorry, not the owner, but the manager of Blockbuster, sometimes they'll do in the past.
1:09:50
SPEAKER_00: But then like if you didn't know it and you're just walking in, good luck on a Friday.
1:09:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good luck.
1:09:55
SPEAKER_01: But you know, my my point in saying that is you know, if you read when you read the Bible, waiting on the Lord, that's a concept that comes up a lot.
1:10:04
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you think of all the people Moses had to wait on the Lord, Joseph waited on the Lord, David waited on the Lord, Abraham and Sarah waited on the Lord, Hannah waited on the Lord.
1:10:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, every list goes on.
1:10:17
SPEAKER_01: Dude, they all waited.
1:10:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Elizabeth, right?
1:10:20
SPEAKER_01: She had John the Baptist, am I right?
1:10:23
SPEAKER_01: She waited on the Lord.
1:10:24
SPEAKER_01: So it's fascinating because you'll find yourself when you are in a season of waiting.
1:10:30
SPEAKER_01: You know, a lot of people will give you advice that makes you feel like it's wrong to wait.
1:10:37
SPEAKER_01: And my point is, is if the Lord says he is the same yesterday, today forever, I gotta think that he still may use periods of waiting.
1:10:49
SPEAKER_01: A lot of times for I I still believe he refines.
1:10:52
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:10:53
SPEAKER_01: I still think that he teaches us perseverance and hope and building your character.
1:10:59
SPEAKER_01: And so I the reason why I bring that up is that I think you went through your season of waiting on that job probably got to taste some of that stuff.
1:11:13
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, if you're out there listening and you're waiting on the Lord for something, um just because the world offers us quick remedies and quick access to everything, it doesn't mean that the Lord won't use seasons of waiting for you.
1:11:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the seasons of waiting is where you get some spiritual understanding.
1:11:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you come to a place to taste and see that he is good.
1:11:39
SPEAKER_05: So, Ryan, I appreciate you coming on saying yes.
1:11:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it flowed really well tonight, and I hope uh you have been very encouraged listening to this tonight, and it's bringing encouragement to us to follow Christ, encouraging you like Paul has encouraged us when we read that the three times it said walk, walk in the walk in him, and it is a encouragement if you're walking in him, then you understand who you are because you want to walk in him.
1:12:30
SPEAKER_00: No, no, not really.
1:12:32
SPEAKER_00: So, Ryan, thank you, and um we're gonna close tonight.
1:12:37
SPEAKER_00: What is our little tagline?
1:12:40
SPEAKER_00: K-Y-E-O-J.
1:12:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my buddy Danny.
1:12:44
SPEAKER_01: Danny Hopper, I know you're gonna listen to this, but so much love.
1:12:48
SPEAKER_01: The fact that you text me that man, it's uh it's awesome.
1:12:51
SPEAKER_01: Keep it up.
1:12:52
SPEAKER_00: Keep your eyes on Jesus, K-Y-E-O-J.
1:12:55
SPEAKER_00: Amen.
1:12:56
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1:12:59
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