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JAKE TAYLOR Of IN HEARTS WAKE Talks Tarot, Incarnation, And The Power Of The Underworld · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: My name is Jake Taylor, and I'm the vocalist for
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  Speaker 1: heavy music band in Hearts.
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  Speaker 2: Wake, Beautiful, Lovely, to Have You. You guys released Incarnation
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  Speaker 2: back in July. What inspired the concept of aligning each
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  Speaker 2: song with a major Kana tarot card.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so when I was a teenager, there were frequently
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  Speaker 1: clients and strangers and then friends turning up at the door,
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  Speaker 1: and they were all there to see my mom, who
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  Speaker 1: was a tower reader, and so the friends would be like,
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  Speaker 1: hang on a second, like you live here.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like yeah, You're like, oh, I'm here with Michelle's
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  Speaker 3: your mom? Like yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So they start doing twer readings. So that's where Look,
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  Speaker 1: that's where the seeds were planted. And our first record, Divination,
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  Speaker 1: we based every song on a tarot card. It was
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  Speaker 1: an eleven track albums. That was just the power number
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  Speaker 1: that felt right for the album. Then there happened to
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  Speaker 1: be eleven left because there's twenty two cards in a deck.
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  Speaker 1: Twelve years later, it was the right time to return
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  Speaker 1: to that original vision and complete it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. And do you know what I just
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  Speaker 2: realized like five minutes ago too, is that on this
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  Speaker 2: album you have some you have the card names reversed, flipped,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like why, Like I didn't didn't make sense,
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's because in taro you can you know,
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  Speaker 2: if the cards are flipped when you put them down,
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  Speaker 2: it means different things.
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  Speaker 4: So it makes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But they call it like the
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  Speaker 1: term of the inverse inverse meanings.
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  Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, two sides are the same of the
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  Speaker 3: same coin.
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  Speaker 1: Can be in shadow or light, but really they're both
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  Speaker 1: leading you towards ultimately full potential or light.
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  Speaker 3: It's just about shedding the awareness in a different space.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: So does that aligning of what you know tarot cards
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  Speaker 2: sort of mean or stand for? Does that also correlate
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  Speaker 2: to the album albums.
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  Speaker 3: Meaning the app Does it correlate to the albums mean as.
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  Speaker 2: Shadow and light or like the spirituality obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Well, on the second record, Incarnation, every song has flipped
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  Speaker 1: upside down because it is very much in the underworld.
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  Speaker 1: Every song is I don't like the way negative or positive,
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  Speaker 1: but it's definitely in the shadow. Like you can hear
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  Speaker 1: it sonically as well, not just for the obvious reasons
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  Speaker 1: of like this letters actually close to no no clean
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  Speaker 1: singing therefore less lighter, prettier stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Instead, it's much heavier.
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  Speaker 1: And driving, and it's really sitting in that in that
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  Speaker 1: deep underworld where all the stuff settles.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting, and is taro is something that you guys at
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  Speaker 2: all practice in your daily lives.
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  Speaker 3: Or not not daily.
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  Speaker 1: It's something that I lean I have lent on in
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  Speaker 1: times of like which way do I go.
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  Speaker 3: If I've had We've.
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  Speaker 1: Had reading on like the exit of a member, like
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  Speaker 1: the potential exit of a member, just to see like
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  Speaker 1: it was just really like in true alignment with like
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  Speaker 1: with where both parties need to head because that's like
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  Speaker 1: basically like yeah, like the end of a relationship is
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  Speaker 1: such a big thing, or a death like that you
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  Speaker 1: don't just want to go about lightly. So it's often
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  Speaker 1: great to seek the tools, not for like a fortune
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  Speaker 1: telling experience, but to say this is what's going on,
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  Speaker 1: and then you resonate that that is what's going on,
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  Speaker 1: this is what it's showing me, wow, and it becomes
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  Speaker 1: a conversation around it. So they're just the tools and
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  Speaker 1: mirrors that are really helpful at the right times.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, And I often think I actually just bought
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  Speaker 2: a tarot card deck for the first time at Christmas
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  Speaker 2: for myself, and I think it can really help maybe
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  Speaker 2: clarify things in your mind possibly and see the path
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  Speaker 2: that you're on. And yeah, all the things happening very Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I can't not ask about the band's reaction to being
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  Speaker 2: asked to play on not Fest.
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  Speaker 4: How how was that for all of you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a nice it's a nice recognition of where
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  Speaker 1: we are at as a band. It is an iconic festival,
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  Speaker 1: no doubt. I feel a little bit it doesn't feel
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  Speaker 1: as let's say, like as hyper is exciting having already
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  Speaker 1: toured Slipknot in Australia, meaning like like that that felt
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  Speaker 1: like what I imagine getting you know, playing Not Best the
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  Speaker 1: first time would feel like or the kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So that was really special getting that kind of acknowledgment
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  Speaker 1: and opportunity to open the slip Knot you know, and
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  Speaker 1: those arenas with Lamb of God as well. So so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I feel a little bit like it feels like another
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  Speaker 1: said not too, which is sick, But I feel less like.
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  Speaker 3: Holy Ship we're playing not you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've kind of already had that in a sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so it's just yeah, it's great to be
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  Speaker 3: part of it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: And what bands on the lineup are you looking forward to?
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  Speaker 3: What bands am I looking forward to? Look at that?
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  Speaker 1: Like, other than Slip Not, which is the obvious one,
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  Speaker 1: it's great to see the crowd sing along to a
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  Speaker 1: day to Remember. I think there's a there's a there's
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  Speaker 1: a unifying kind of thing that they create, which which
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  Speaker 1: would be great to see. Maybe men will be fun
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  Speaker 1: sort of to prevail will just be you know, Manique
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  Speaker 1: in their own way.
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  Speaker 3: And I like the.
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  Speaker 1: Different flavors that but there's no I wouldn't say there's
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  Speaker 1: my favorite band playing, not Festy, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like all the different flavors are going to
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  Speaker 1: be exciting to watch.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, I totally agree.
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  Speaker 2: And being from Byron Bay, I'm curious what it was
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  Speaker 2: like for you guys getting your start there. Were you
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  Speaker 2: guys well received or did you find more success outside of.
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  Speaker 1: Byron Yeah, I reckon, I reckon proving itself in Byron
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  Speaker 1: Byron was about going to other places and then and
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  Speaker 1: then bringing what you've learned back Because looking at Byron
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  Speaker 1: Bay was just like basically most shows other than that
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  Speaker 1: if you've got a big support, you know, playing playing
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  Speaker 1: for bands like Terror and every time I die. There
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  Speaker 1: were locals that got those spots, but it wasn't something
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  Speaker 1: that we had at the time, So it was just
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  Speaker 1: weird play the local shows when we're just local bands,
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  Speaker 1: and it was like being at a Battle of the bands.
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  Speaker 1: We're in a garage with all friends kind of thing,
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  Speaker 1: and that was that was where you did practice and
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  Speaker 1: get better what you do.
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  Speaker 3: But it's just just fun going to the cities. I
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  Speaker 3: think they get more sport for shows.
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  Speaker 1: Then there's a sense of like, okay, we've got to
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  Speaker 1: like step up here and you take that back and
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  Speaker 1: you use Bayron you know, also as a as an incubator.
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  Speaker 1: But really we honed our craft from driving a lot
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  Speaker 1: just you know. Brisbane was our city, but then we'd
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  Speaker 1: start going to Sydney morregularly and then we'd obviously move
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  Speaker 1: one on and move to Melbourne, but really Sydney and
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  Speaker 1: Brisbane we would just go nuts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. And you guys got to record Incarnation
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  Speaker 2: in the US. How was that experience for you guys
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  Speaker 2: and how long did that take?
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  Speaker 3: We usually put aside. We usually put aside six weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes if we get a seventh we will beyond
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  Speaker 1: that you start to go insane. But we do that
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  Speaker 1: because we don't want to be on rushing anything and
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  Speaker 1: we want time to before we start recording to see
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  Speaker 1: if we can write anything at the start that's new
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  Speaker 1: that might supersede something we've already brought in. So look,
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  Speaker 1: we've been there five five times now, I believe, or
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  Speaker 1: four times, give me four times, and we've spent each
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  Speaker 1: time about a month and a half. So look, that
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  Speaker 1: adds up to at least six months now. And we've
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  Speaker 1: got to know that that air of the world pretty
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  Speaker 1: well in Michigan, and there's bands there that have hosted
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  Speaker 1: us each time we've rented their cars, they've lent us instruments,
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  Speaker 1: and so every time we go back it feels like
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing family members and that's been really special.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we feel like they're at home there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Oh that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: That's so good that other bands there have sort of
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  Speaker 2: offered to take you in when you need it, and.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, so much so much.
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  Speaker 1: They put us on, put us on shows, playing the pubs,
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  Speaker 1: like do you need somewhere to stay, We'll take you out,
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  Speaker 1: take your dinner or pay for your dinner, and they
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  Speaker 1: you won't.
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  Speaker 3: Play from places of wealth or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: Michigan is just very like they're just very appreciative, kind
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  Speaker 1: of wholesome, like hobbit like people that like really endure
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  Speaker 1: the storm.
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  Speaker 3: That's the difference. They get harsh winters and they know
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  Speaker 3: how to survive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was going to say, were you there when
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  Speaker 2: it was really cold or yep?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, through blizzards and all kinds of things.
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  Speaker 4: It's been, yeah, insane.
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  Speaker 2: If you weren't in the band, what do you think
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  Speaker 2: you'd be doing.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't in the band, I think I'd be doing
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  Speaker 3: what I already do outside of the band. And that's
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  Speaker 3: like like I I.
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  Speaker 1: Practice and help facilitate doing survival like survival skills, shelter, water, fire, food,
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  Speaker 1: not in a military sense, but more and in a
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  Speaker 1: connecting with nature, coming.
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  Speaker 3: Back to yourself sense, like in a really like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, less tactical, let's say, less mind oriented and more
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  Speaker 1: like in a state of being the best way because
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  Speaker 1: tracking just awareness, It brings out your awareness. So I'd
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  Speaker 1: say kind of do on the side, and I yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I like to, yeah, make make items and clothing and cutlery,
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  Speaker 1: like camp cutlery and like little pieces that sort of
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  Speaker 1: enhanced that experience.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of what I do.
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  Speaker 2: That's really cool and really unique, and I think something
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  Speaker 2: that is kind of expected from you grew up environ.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well actually from from one one to
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  Speaker 1: seven I was actually down in north of Sydney in
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  Speaker 1: the wild places, like in the beaches where there's national parks,
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  Speaker 1: so not in the city, and then moved to Byron
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  Speaker 1: Bays seven years old in the hills. So I've always
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  Speaker 1: been like on the edge of just wild places.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so awesome. And what bands have caught your
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  Speaker 2: attention lately?
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  Speaker 3: What bands have caught my attention lately? Pale Face Swiss,
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  Speaker 3: We've brought them over.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: They're just like a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Of energy and a lot of like of the now
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  Speaker 1: that seems very current now, quick fast, heavy, kind of
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  Speaker 1: like youthful rage.
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  Speaker 3: They've they've step stood out to me at the moment era.
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  Speaker 1: I've released a great record. Yeah, I can't speak to
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  Speaker 1: many more new bands because I feel a little out
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  Speaker 1: of touch with actually being on the touring circuit and
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  Speaker 1: or festival circuit and.
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  Speaker 3: Crossing like that's a cool band.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's plenty of you know, old timer like
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  Speaker 1: sixty Guns releasing epic new music, and there's lots of
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  Speaker 1: lots of good stuff coming out from from the heavyweights.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 2: And is there any music that you listened to in
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  Speaker 2: your downtime that might be surprising given the music you make?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I what do I listen to? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's maybe not surprising, but I'm high Lung are awesome,
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  Speaker 1: High Long and ward droner they're from Scandinavians. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so and high long or h G I l u
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  Speaker 1: n G. But that like you can hear you can
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  Speaker 1: almost hear tones of metal, Like influence of metal is
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  Speaker 1: influenced by the primal stuff that they're playing of their culture,
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  Speaker 1: at least from that that region, so that they're really awesome.
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  Speaker 1: That's probably not that surprising. A lot of like composer
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  Speaker 1: kind of stuff's great to work too, you know, scores for.
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  Speaker 3: Movies, it's fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: And then a lot of hip hop and rap, which
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  Speaker 1: which often influences a lot of like rhythms and lyrics
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  Speaker 1: I listened to.
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  Speaker 2: Do you guys get wild on tour or do you
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  Speaker 2: guys tend to focus and relax and recover.
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  Speaker 3: Uh neither, oh neither?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like getting wild impliers like yeah, I think
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  Speaker 1: the only getting while we do on tour is like
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  Speaker 1: if we can get to a wild place and go
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  Speaker 1: for like a big team swim or a lunch, you know,
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  Speaker 1: something like that, but not partying because we know that
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  Speaker 1: there's a big show the next day. As a result,
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  Speaker 1: we're not recovering and relaxing. We're working pretty like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we really want to put on the best show and
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  Speaker 1: that's why that's why we're there. But we're there to
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  Speaker 1: do things that rejuvenate us in a sense energetically, which
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  Speaker 1: I feel is the fun and games wherever we can.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's a nice perspective, and yeah, good to
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  Speaker 2: hear that you take care of yourselves but also.
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  Speaker 4: Have a bit of fun.
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  Speaker 1: Totally, we just don't, at least me, I just don't
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  Speaker 1: have fun. If I step into that zone, actually have
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  Speaker 1: less fun, yeah, because then like the next day just
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  Speaker 1: sucks And then I'm like, wait, so you know that
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  Speaker 1: once upon a time things are different, but now I'm
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  Speaker 1: like that to me is the real fun. He's having
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  Speaker 1: barbecues and playing is to be in different games with
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  Speaker 1: different bands and then gone for a swim.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah, no, I can so relate. It
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  Speaker 2: takes me about three days to recovery if I've had
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  Speaker 2: a drinking session for one day one night. So you have,
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  Speaker 2: of course toured around the world, but is there something
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  Speaker 2: special about playing to an Aussie audience.
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  Speaker 1: Totally yes, Yes, Australia's home and Australia gets it gets
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  Speaker 1: the wild places, it gets the fun, it gets the humor,
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  Speaker 1: and I really believe it gets the heavy music like
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  Speaker 1: unlike no.
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  Speaker 3: Other There's a relatability there that you just nowhere else. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the heavy artists that we have, I have to say,
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  Speaker 2: like amazing. They definitely stand out. Do you have a
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  Speaker 2: favorite tarot card?
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  Speaker 1: I think The Magician potentially maybe, And I just just
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  Speaker 1: like how the Yeah, the Magician can basically the one
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  Speaker 1: hand with the heavens and one you know, one to
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  Speaker 1: the earth below. And like being a conductor and transfer
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  Speaker 1: of energy and a communicator of both and being able
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  Speaker 1: to transform things into manifestation is quite a cool thing.
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  Speaker 3: Being a foot in each world.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd agree with that.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good one. Across your albums lyrically, you've delved
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  Speaker 2: into topics such as the environmental state of the world, spirituality,
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  Speaker 2: and some social issues. Do you think these topics are
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  Speaker 2: important to you because of how you grew up and
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  Speaker 2: what you grew up around.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely, without a doubt. Yeah, yeah, it's not reaching for
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  Speaker 1: a topic. It's just like it's writing what we know
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  Speaker 1: to a degree and also admitting that we don't know
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  Speaker 1: it all because there's so much to not know, especially
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  Speaker 1: in the social environmental thing where where as a species,
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  Speaker 1: where just.
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  Speaker 3: We're doing our best to adapt.
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  Speaker 1: Whether you say we're devolving or evolving, that's probably more
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  Speaker 1: in judgment, but the so much going on so quickly
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  Speaker 1: that no one can actually say that they know other
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  Speaker 1: than that they know to not know what's going on
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  Speaker 1: and just do it, just simply do our best to
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  Speaker 1: communicate that and to learn from each other.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, And I think that's great that you
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  Speaker 2: as artists are using your platform to get across that message.
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  Speaker 3: That's yeah, really good totally.
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  Speaker 1: And probably the only thing we do know is that
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  Speaker 1: like you go to you go to your favorite holiday
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  Speaker 1: destination and you go, I love that or I like that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and you resonate with that and I think
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  Speaker 1: whatever that is for that person, if you can do
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  Speaker 1: whatever it takes to preserve that, look after that or
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  Speaker 1: to enjoy that or share with others, I think that's
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  Speaker 1: like just a place of truth, Yeah, beyond the environment
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  Speaker 1: or the self that I think I believe we need
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  Speaker 1: more of because I same places changing from my eyes
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  Speaker 1: in the last twenty years when I was a kid
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  Speaker 1: that I'm returning to and I've gone, oh, I want
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  Speaker 1: to be able to share this with you my children
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  Speaker 1: one day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. And I think you could apply that
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  Speaker 2: too to if you love a certain holiday place or
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  Speaker 2: somewhere that you go. You could also apply that to
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  Speaker 2: your where you are, your home hometown, I suppose. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: keep that same managing, like we need to protect and
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  Speaker 2: keep things for the future.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Any advice for up and coming Aussie musicians looking
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  Speaker 2: to be successful, like in Heartswack.
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  Speaker 3: Don't do it?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, that's it, that's a lie.
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  Speaker 3: No, Like, yeah, look, you've got it. We need to.
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  Speaker 1: I believe when we were starting out, like there was
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  Speaker 1: a love. There was a love for the music. Don't
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  Speaker 1: get me wrong, I was always.
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  Speaker 3: There, but there was always there's also a love.
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  Speaker 1: To want to be part of the community of like
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  Speaker 1: bands that were hanging out going for swims, like truely
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  Speaker 1: because there's all beach with beach towns, right, so we're
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  Speaker 1: just it was the hanging out and there was always
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: an activity, and so like, find whatever it is that
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: is something that you can't buy, Like, it's got to
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: be about that first and make sure that that you
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: can nurture that because it can quick so quickly turn
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: into a numbers game and like you're only as good
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: as your last social network post a last song, they
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: start to quickly lose touch with what it actually is about.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: So I really would say establish those roots really importantly
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: with people who also love doing that and go from there.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so don't focus on the money straight away and
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: think that that's the be all and end all.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great, great motivator to to bring energy
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: in to use that, but but yeah, again it's got
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: to be it's got to be around the music and
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: around the people first, and then it's about preserving and
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: nurturing that.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good or twice he's your favorite track off any
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: of your albums to play.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Live often at present, it probably it would change a
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: lot but right now.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Often yes, it's just yeah, it's kind of like.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Shaking up the carbonated bottle and then like ripping off
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: the in a really unconventional manner that surprises you because
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: you don't know what the hell is going to happen next.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: And that's like it when we play it live. I
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: don't know what the crowd is going to do. I
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: think they're going to be stunned, shocked, get into it,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: and it's just like pure permission for fury.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jake, thanks so much for your time today, best
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: of luck for not best. We can't wait to see
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: in Heart's wait, We'll see you there.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Thanks a lot, Thank you so much,